| IVOD_ID |
163179 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163179 |
| 日期 |
2025-07-17 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-07-17T09:42:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-07-17T09:50:43+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:49 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:42:54 - 09:50:43 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-07-17T09:20:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第6次公聽會（事由：召開「臺美政府對等關稅協商我國政府因應對策」公聽會） |
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謝謝主席首先感謝今天所有到場與會的學者專家產業界以及勞工界的代表你們所提出來的寶貴意見將會成為本院接下來在面對有關於台美關稅談判以及相關配套措施的時候非常重要的參考依據今天其實站在這邊參加這場公聽會感觸非常的深因為我第一次 |
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站在同樣的這個講台參加有關於我國有關於對外經貿談判立法院到底應該要怎麼處理是2013年12月19號當時我是以中央研究院研究員的身份站在這個地方我們那時候大聲疾呼馬英九政府 |
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對外有關於服貿的談判黑箱作業立法院該進行的程序不曉得在搞什麼東西那個時候跟非常多的學者專家我們在這一個 |
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財政委員會所召開的公聽會 宛如狗吠火車因為那個時候的立法院 形同快要癱瘓了完全沒有辦法發揮任何監督制衡的功能所幸 微小的聲音得到了廣大的回應當時 民進黨的主席蔡英文終於站出來了 |
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蔡英文說什麼國家對外貿易談判從開啟談判 談判過程到談判結果協議的審議都要有國會的參與才可以體現行政立法在對外談判上的權力分享與責任分擔的法則說得非常的好現在的民進黨政府有做到嗎當時不僅民進黨主席蔡英文跳出來了賴清德也跳出來了 |
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他怎麼說一個對台灣政治經濟層面影響深遠的協議在事前以黑箱作業的方式沒有審慎評估各行各業所受的衝擊就已送入國會這是獨裁心態立法院舉辦公聽會要把公聽會的意見納入修正馬英九總統要求國會無條件接受一個字都不准改 |
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這是什麼這是以個人的意志凌駕民主制度更是獨裁的心態 展露無遺說得太好了接下來民進黨出去外面的談判團隊會不會用相同的口氣要求國會一個字都不准改 |
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你如果敢改 就是破壞台美關係你如果敢改 就是中共同路人我們等著看 我們等著看事前 事終 根本什麼把當初的承諾 當耳邊風把公民社會的參與 把國會的參與 |
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當什麼 當塑膠昨天外交國防委員會辦了巡打 辦巡打又怎麼樣上來 關槍關掉講了什麼東西啊 |
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當初 鄭麗君 我們現在的行政院副院長談判的總代表怎麼講的不是只有簽署後的監督啊簽署前的談判過程就要讓社會參與 社會協商利益關係人必須被充分告知資訊今天有一些利益關係人 我相信已經坐在這邊我非常想知道 你們有沒有被告知資訊你們有沒有覺得有參與 |
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受到衝擊的產業有被告知資訊嗎?有參與嗎?接下來可能會面臨重大負面影響的勞工有參與嗎?有被告知資訊嗎?還是大家串在地上等老實說啦正式最後的結果出來以前此時此刻的台灣早就受到傷害了過去兩三個月我們從北部到南部 |
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密集拜訪了非常多的廠商跟勞工大家怕得要死但沒有人敢出來講為什麼沒有人敢出來講現在的政府肅殺氣氛很重啊怕被查水表啊誰敢出來講啊我現在出來講那接下來立法院通過好不容易要去補助產業補助勞工的會不會因此拿不到會不會被關切 |
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什麼時候台灣的一個民主社會面對這麼重大的經貿議題啊靜若寒蟬我最後啊只想要補充一件事情或許有人說當年是在跟中國談判啊中國是我們的敵國跟美國談判美國是我們最好的朋友態度應該不一樣我提醒一下民進黨當初我們要改的 |
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除了兩岸協議監督條例以外還有條約締結法這個是民進黨當初提出的條約締結法修正草案他們提的修正草案他們的條約締結法說要建立標準化與透明化的條約締結程序要明定國會在締約前後的參與以及監督具體的條文我不唸了在立法院公報都有現在資訊非常發達大家都google的到 |
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剛剛有在討論說如果涉及法律的修正那國會要怎麼處理這件事情很簡單我為什麼會說這件事情很簡單十一年前就討論過了締結計畫的提出與成行第一個階段 |
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依照締結計畫進行協商第二個階段完成協商後正式簽署前第三個階段國會審查第四個階段簽署後的監督第五個階段這是當初多少學者專家大家共同智慧的接近在一個當代的民主國家當中牽涉到這麼重大的經貿談判 |
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在國內的民主程序應該要如何進行產業勞工要如何參與國會要如何監督法律修正要如何配合只不過很遺憾當初參與提出這些意見的學者專家現在全部都到民進黨去當官全部都到民進黨去當官當了官的這些人完全忘了當初 |
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的主張對台灣民眾黨而言我們願意全力做我們政府的後盾但是請民進黨不要忘了當初的承諾不要把國會當橡膠把台灣的民主當空氣接下來我們會用盡所有的力量跟我們的產業跟我們的勞工跟我們台灣的農漁民站在一起追求台灣最高的國家利益謝謝 |
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好 謝謝黃國昌黃委員 |