| IVOD_ID |
163177 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163177 |
| 日期 |
2025-07-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-07-17T09:32:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-07-17T09:44:38+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:17 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1404c3f0fc5b985779489297bc1db9457e529aa6299d4c225af1ef4f9e86959bcf090c686565d07c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳菁徽 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:32:21 - 09:44:38 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-07-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第21次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長、勞動部部長、財政部部長、農業部針對「因應嚴重災情、緊急重大事件，醫療院所承擔救護量能困境及因應台美關稅談判對台灣食品安全相關影響」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 謝謝官員 也請邱部長 謝謝委員長部長早部長這兩天沸沸揚揚的新聞就是師大這一群很可憐的女足球員學生非自願被教練要求成為實驗對象連續14天配合抽血有時候一天抽三次從早上起床一直抽到晚上 |
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那這邊呢昨天我也感到非常的不解因為林靜怡次長她評論說她對於這件事件是很震驚啊她非常想知道說這麼多學生的血液檢體到哪裡去了是學校在處理血液檢體嗎或者是和醫療相關的機構做合作部長你是不是也一樣覺得對這件事很不解那我想知道衛福部過了這麼久有哪一些新的資訊呢 |
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好,謝謝委員的垂行我們聽到這樣的一個訊息的確非常難過說實在也很生氣因為學生的授教權、學生的人權的維護是完全沒有模糊的空間所以我們非常願意來協助實業主管機關你一定要去整個了解現在地檢署也去做司法調查整個了解以後該究責的我們要研辦 |
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好 那我先問一個問題抽血這件事情是不是要依市人員來執行是不是就簡單的問這個問題在醫療機構提供醫療服務的時候一定要依市人員這件事情是無用質疑那抽血可以在非醫療機構執行嗎 |
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從前像我們的居家醫療其實有有這樣子的一個但是是不是醫事人員所以我覺得這件事情的重點會回到了IRB到底通過什麼然後這個這個PI到底有沒有按照IRB的這個計劃來執行因為這裡面的問題到底我覺得在 |
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以溫府部的立場我們是人體人體研究法主管機關我們是希望要求所有的事業目的主管機關按照法尊來做處理如果他對法尊不清楚的時候我們其實是做協同所以才會是在這個事件裡面 |
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整個教育部的IRB的訪查的這個機制到底有沒有什麼問題這是我們關注的第二件事情是IRB裡面特別是台師大的這個IRB通過的計畫到底是什麼然後目前因為整個教育部的案子還在進行當中並沒有一個完整的報告跟我們講所以這個地方我們其實會再跟教育部做合作把它做釐清因為這個制度的檢討才能夠預防再發我真的是問一個很單純的問題第一 |
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抽血到底需不需要醫事人員執行就這麼簡單 部長 部長你回答一下原則上醫法令是應該要這樣對阿 依照醫療法就是應該要醫事人員執行嘛所以你可以介入阿 你是可以介入的阿我給你看這個就是學生 我給你看我們要瞭解他整個過程嘛如果的確有發生這種事情當然我們就要究責 |
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好我先給你看這個是學校內部這個霸凌的調查報告他講說他給誰抽血沒有醫護執照技術不好再換成誰抽血還有一些學生他是直接把他整個被抽血的過程都錄影下來放到Threads還有把他自己拿著他的血去做離心也放到Threads他把這些事都公開因為他們現在拿到畢業證書了他不再那麼害怕了他願意站出來了 |
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這個你就可以介入啊 如果我是部長我直接去找這些學生問說誰幫你抽過血你們醫事人員的名單就在你們的手上欸你不是最快就可以知道這些人到底有沒有符合醫事人員的資格嗎 |
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你還需要等教育部的調查報告教育部告訴你誰幫誰抽過血然後再來跟你比對你需要這樣子嗎你衛福部跟教育部一樣大一樣大你本來就可以主動介入調查不是嗎違反醫事法醫療法是你們執行的業務欸對嗎 |
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如果以人體研究法來講,當然事業主管機關要去做,他的權責是監督、調查還有處罰,還有去懲處但是違反醫療法,違反醫事法令當然我們一定會趕快去了解 |
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如果真的有違反醫療相關的法案我們是整個究責啦因為這個有時候跟老師跟PI有關係嘛對不對但是很單純的他被誰抽血這個人是不是醫師人員對你來說應該很簡單整個系統來究責啊 |
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我們不能說只有突破某一點因為這個的確我們要確定他抽血的每一個去抽血這個動作的人是誰我們去調查清楚才有辦法去做然後他的原因整個他的來由是怎麼樣整個了解以後我們要知道他的輕重才能夠給予最適當的懲處這樣子 |
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好 我是覺得我們現在已經跟教育部合作一起來努力你已經接觸到這些受害者了嗎 |
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台北我們先尊重世界主管機關他們教育部還在調查所以你在等他們給你名單意思是這樣子我們有含請教育部就是針對我們以涉及可能涉及人體研究法裡面哪幾條的問題我們有含請他們也能夠去調查部長我給你一個建議其實你就是醫療法的主管機關你也可以禁訴執法就看你要不要做而已 |
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我還是這樣子介意你啦你其實很快找到這些人問到誰幫他們抽血你很快就可以知道他們是不是醫事人員了 |
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我覺得在人體研究法裡面有一個很重要的精神第一個救責PI第二件事情受試者保護所以在受試者保護的情況下面的時候怎麼去approach才不會造成這些受試者的二次傷害這件事情所以我們在這個地方我覺得還是會拉到這個事件的本質第一個 |
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校園霸凌案疑似第二件事情我們的人體研究法的違法的部分要就責PI我覺得這是這這件事情應該要去處理的至於其他的細節的部分的話同步進行的是我們醫療機構是不是這一個教育部這邊的協同的子計畫這個部分這個是我們可以目前馬上做的我對你們很有信心我很相信你們可以兼顧他們的隱私跟保護 |
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但是也可以做到你們執行醫療法違規的這些糾察好嗎好再來部長這是很多醫師關心的也是許多基層診所現在給我一些他們的報表去年我們一起簽下了一個主決議這個主決議你是說6月30號以前你要達成健保點值0.95 |
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像前幾個禮拜我們一起出席活動您接受記者訪問你說非常的有信心那最近這些基層的醫療告訴我說去年第四季他們的點值大概是0.8然後你們是不是這週會開始幫他們補到0.9是不是有這件事可不可以給我們一個時間 |
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這個補兌已經在進行這個禮拜開始在撥款這個禮拜在撥款那今年第一季他們是有到0.9那第二季也就是您曾經給予的承諾6月30號以前可不可以到0.95這件事情您認為做得到還是會跳票 |
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跟委員報告一下第一劑,因為第二劑還沒有出來第一劑我們的一個所有的不管是醫院、基層、中醫、牙醫所有的部門六個區全部都在0.95%以上,只有台北區是0.94% |
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我這個表上面你在講第二劑還是第一劑整個西醫基層是0.946醫院是0.95快要0.9所以這兩個平均起來在第一劑西醫我們在講中醫跟亞醫就已經到達0.95了那第二劑應該是差不多這樣的水準 |
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第二季你現在應該有數據了吧還沒出來我們在這邊是幫他們說說話因為第二季你才開始個別總額的這些限制所以我們希望你不是只透過不管是這個核酸或者是斷頭或者是個別總額的限制去讓他們達到0.95我們上禮拜有三讀通過一個特別條例請問如果你有實際上 |
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有這些配置的話你會不會把它拿來補建保點值你要怎麼做你的安排 |
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據瞭解所有的一個黨團提出來都很關心到我們醫藥的韌性醫藥的韌性所以這個部分的確是應該是我們面對國際間的一個挑戰裡面的確應該是先補醫藥的韌性那當然因為我們現在的在今年的4月行政會通過就是只要補的在安全準備基金只要是補進來的都可以再用在我們政府覺得需要所以將來 |
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如果真的是點子到達不夠的時候當然是可以補啊這個已經明文已經規定了但是我們現在點子跟委員報告一下其實我現在到在議界去看真的大家都覺得相當的欣慰啦已經到達跟以前差很多啦但因為關稅即將來臨嘛我們也擔心原物料會變貴還有川普給予一個這個什麼最惠國要價的政策主席我時間到了嗎 |
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好部長問你最後一個問題 |
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我想我們衛福部是一個國家的部門政府部門我們所有的政府部門就要創造人民 |
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福國利民的一個各種措施嘛所以只要對政府的部門是很負責任的不是短暫的是長期的一個一個能夠穩定的在各方面的保護國家的安全我剛剛已經有講這兩個附帶決議的內容啦你認為有沒有符合你剛剛講的這些條件嗎你剛剛說福國利民 |
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什麼東西的當然以單單某一個方面來講當然我們如果有某一個方面某一項目他對那一個部分的政策當然會有幫助但是是不是會影響到其他的一個國家的整體的發展這個也是政府部門必須要無私的 |
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來考慮到以國家整體的發展來處理所以我們非常謹慎的來遵照我們所以你的意思是說你還在評估你不曉得你有沒有辦法落實這兩個附帶決議我們一切都會依法辦理我們會依法辦理謝謝主席謝謝部長 謝謝署長附帶決議是我提的好 謝謝 |