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會議時間 2024-11-27T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會議(事由:一、繼續審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部主管預算。(公務及基金預算) 二、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人環境資源研究發展基金會等4家財團法人114年度預算書案。 【11月27日及28日二天一次會】)
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transcript.whisperx[0].text 一、繼續審查環境部主管預算案。
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transcript.whisperx[1].text 議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14全體委員會議議事錄時間113年11月21日星期四9時2分至14時51分
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 地點群閒樓801會議室出席委員陳委員趙姿等15人列席委員賴委員世保等15人列席官員衛生福利部部長邱太元等相關人員主席蘇趙吉委員清泉報告事項宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定討論事項審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案
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transcript.whisperx[4].text 關於衛生福利部主管公務及基金預算謹詢答本次會議由衛生福利部部長說明後委員陳昭之等26人提出質詢均經衛生福利部部長及各相關主管等及其答覆決議一、說明及詢答完畢二、委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資料者請相關其關於二周內已書面答覆委員令要求期限者從其所定三、中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於衛生福利部主管公務及基金預算
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transcript.whisperx[5].text 另則其繼續審查。 宣讀完畢。好。請問委員會上次議事錄有無錯誤或遺漏之處。沒有。好。那議事錄確定。本日會議議程為繼續審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部主管公務及基金預算以及環境部函送環境資源研究發展基金會等4家財團法人114年度預算書案。
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transcript.whisperx[6].text 現在先介紹在場委員陳昭芝委員王振旭委員林月琴委員蘇清泉委員介紹今天列席的官員環境部彭啟明部長環境部常務次長沈志修次長會計處陳靜心處長
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 環境保護司徐淑芷司長大氣環境司張順清司長水質保護司王月斌司長監測資訊司謝炳輝司長綜合規劃司洪淑信司長秘書處梁婉玲處長法治處張雅惠副處長
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transcript.whisperx[8].text 人事處楊良斌處長、政風處王永福處長、統計處侯美玲處長、綠社戰略辦公室吳佩瑜副執行長、氣候變遷署蔡玲瑜署長、資源循環署賴英穎署長、
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transcript.whisperx[11].text 本會召委會議決議與審查預算提案時保留於第二輪之提案,提案委員不在現場者不再處理該項提案。本次審查會有關提案委員所提預算三檢案,經委員會審查通過者除提案委員特別聲明不同意外,均同意環境部得科目自行調整。
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 有關提案委員預算凍結案部分環境部與各提案委員溝通結果如果提案委員同意併案凍結者請環境部與本次公務及基金預算全部審查完略前將各同意併案凍結之提案案號及科目匱整後送主席台宣告後通過
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 上述委員提案凍結之預算除特別聲明不同意者外文字均統一為須向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告並經同意後使得凍結。
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transcript.whisperx[17].text 環境管理署7百萬元第195項國家研究國家環境研究院600萬元第三款貴費收入第157項環境部4290萬8千元第158項資源循環署19萬元第159項化學物質管理署3860萬6千元第160項國家環境研究院1965萬1千元第4款財產收入第202項環境部80萬7千元第203項化學物質管理署6千元第204項環境管理署92萬元
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transcript.whisperx[25].text 五、委員周正鈞等人提案,檢列一千萬元,凍結一千萬元。六、委員王玉明等人提案,檢列一千萬元,凍結五百萬元。七、委員陳盈等人提案,檢列一百萬元,凍結三百萬元。八、委員楊耀等人提案,檢列一百萬元,凍結一百萬元。
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transcript.whisperx[32].text 第39至44案科目為環境影響評估整合與管理
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transcript.whisperx[37].text 第58萬委員曾經會等人提案科目同第56案檢列10分之一。第59萬委員劉建國等人提案噪音震動及非屬原子能游離輻射管制檢列100萬元凍結100萬元。第60萬委員楊耀等人提案科目同第59案檢列50萬元凍結50萬元。
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transcript.whisperx[38].text 第61案委員蘇清泉、廖偉翔等人提案辦理使用中機動車輛噪音管制及提升噪音澄清案件品質與交通環境噪音管制計畫虛偽辦費凍結十分之一。第62案委員王玉明等人提案噪音振動及非屬原子能游離輻射管制凍結一百萬元。第63案委員邱振軍等人提案特募同第62案凍結一百萬元。
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transcript.whisperx[39].text 第64案委員林月琴等人提案科牧童第62案凍結10萬元。第65案委員陳昭芝等人提案噪音震動及飛鼠原子能游離輻射管制委辦費凍結200萬元。第66案委員陳昭芝等人提案科牧童第65案凍結200萬元。第67案委員陳金輝等人提案科牧童第65案凍結十分之一。第68案委員楊耀等人提案強化全國環境檢測智慧轉型計畫檢列50萬元凍結100萬元。
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transcript.whisperx[40].text 第69案委員陳經惠等人提案科目同第68案凍結十分之一第70案委員蘇清泉陳經惠廖偉祥提案科目同第68案凍結十分之一第71案委員陳昭次等人提案強化全國環境檢測智慧轉型計劃獎補助費減裂1500萬元凍結十分之一第72案委員圖琼琦等人提案科目同第71案凍結200萬元第73案委員王玉米等人提案建構國家安全化學與潤性永續計劃減裂2000萬元凍結1000萬元
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transcript.whisperx[41].text 第74案委員陳盈等人提案科目同第73案檢列300萬元第75萬委員蘇清泉廖偉翔等人提案建立及更新我國固定污染源空氣毒性化學物質行業別排放係數等基礎資料作為排放量計算及空氣污染防治費收費使用需為半費凍結二分之一第76萬委員蘇清泉廖偉翔等人提案擴充空氣毒性化學物質監測項目建置我國環境大氣有害空氣污染物濃度資料監測數據合理性分析並解析
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transcript.whisperx[42].text 監測數據嚴提相對應之管制改善對策需為辦費凍結二分之一第77案委員邱振軍等人提案建構國家安全化學與韌性永續計劃凍結500萬元第78案委員邱振軍等人提案科目同第77案凍結500萬元
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transcript.whisperx[43].text 第79至八十三案科目為水質保護。第79案委員林淑芬等人提案凍結一千萬元。第80案委員盧憲一等人提案凍結十分之一。第81案委員邱振軍等人提案凍結五百萬元。第82案委員黃秀芳等人提案凍結五百萬元。第83案委員王振旭林月琴黃秀芳提案凍結十萬元。第84至八十案八
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transcript.whisperx[44].text 至88案科目為水污染防治第84案委員陳盈等人提案檢列800萬元第85案委員楊耀等人提案檢列100萬元凍結100萬元第86案委員劉靖國等人提案檢列100萬元凍結100萬元第87案委員廖偉祥陳金輝王玉米徐巧欣羅志強劉許廷提案凍結四分之一第88案委員陳金輝等人提案凍結十分之一第89案委員蘇清泉廖偉祥等人提案
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transcript.whisperx[45].text 辦理補助計劃督導查核工作推動河川流域水體水質保護策略及品質規劃管理工作延期制定水污染防治等相關法規序業務非凍結十分之一第90案委員蘇清泉、廖偉翔等人提案研擬地面水體污染物削減政策與策略
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transcript.whisperx[46].text 擬定水體污染減量計畫追蹤與評估計畫執行成效等工作需委辦費凍結十分之一第91案委員王玉明等人提案水污染防治業務費凍結五百萬元第92案委員林月琴武立華等人提案水污染防治委辦費凍結五分之一
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transcript.whisperx[47].text 第93委員邱建軍等人提案營用水管理凍結100萬元第94委員王玉明等人提案營用水管理業務費凍結100萬元第95萬委員盧憲義等人提案環境監測資訊凍結五分之一第96萬委員陳盈等人提案環境監測管理與品質
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transcript.whisperx[48].text 保證檢列300萬元第97案委員蘇清泉廖偉翔等人提案持續辦理全國環境水質地面水體監測定期採樣監測54條流域51座水庫等工作需委辦費凍結1⅓第98案委員陳金輝等人提案環境監測管理與品質保證凍結1⅓第99案委員王振旭0月請黃秀芳提案科目同第98案凍結1⅓第100案
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transcript.whisperx[49].text 委員劉建國等人提案環境監測整合與規劃檢列100萬元、凍結100萬元第101案委員陳金輝等人提案科目同第100案凍結10分之1第102至114案為主決議102案委員陳金輝等人提案103案委員林月琴何欣淳等人提案第104委員陳瑩等提案
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transcript.whisperx[50].text 第105委員楊耀等人提案。第106至109案為委員邱振軍等人提案。第110至112案為委員王振旭、林月琴、黃秀芳提案。第113至114案為委員林月琴、洪森漢等人提案。契後便簽署第115至156案。
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transcript.whisperx[51].text 委員黃秀芳等人提案環境保護支出凍結500萬元116案委員王振旭凌月琴黃秀芳提案科技發展凍結10萬元第117至123案科目為淨零排放科技117案委員邱振軍等人提案
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transcript.whisperx[52].text 檢列1000萬元凍結100萬元118案委員廖偉祥、王玉敏、陳金輝、徐巧興、羅志強、劉許廷提案檢列100萬元凍結6177萬元119案委員劉建國等人提案檢列100萬元凍結100萬元120案委員楊耀等人提案檢列50萬元凍結100萬元121案委員王玉敏等人提案凍結500萬元
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transcript.whisperx[53].text 一二二案委員陳金輝等人提案凍結五分之一一二三案委員林瑞琴等人提案凍結五十萬元一二四委員陳昭芝等人提案凍結五分之一一二五案委員蘇清泉廖偉翔等人提案
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transcript.whisperx[54].text 禁零綠生活轉型技術示範及推廣計劃計劃目標為實現2050禁零排放之永續社會等工作檢列73萬元126案委員廖偉祥、王玉敏、陳金輝、徐巧、辛羅、志強、劉許廷提案禁零排放科技委辦費凍結600萬元127案委員林月琴、吳立華等人提案碳費及碳交易制度延續與推動規劃凍結10分之3
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transcript.whisperx[55].text 一、二、八案委員陳昭志等人提案一般行政基本行政工作維持水電費減列69萬7千元一、二、九案委員蘇清泉、廖偉祥等人提案柯木桐第1、2、8案減列40萬元一、三、零案委員廖偉祥、王育敏、陳金輝、許曉欣、羅志強、劉許廷提案柯木桐一、二、八案減列二十分之一一、三、一案委員廖偉祥、王育敏、陳金輝、許曉欣、羅志強、劉許廷提案基本行政工作維持一般事務費減列二十分之一一、三、二案
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transcript.whisperx[56].text 委員王振旭、林月琦、黃秀芳提案、氣候變遷業務凍結10萬元、133案委員劉金國等人提案、氣候變遷業務綜合計劃減劣500萬元、凍結500萬元、134案委員陳盈等人提案、柯木桐第133案減劣500萬元、135案委員盧憲一等人提案、柯木桐第133案凍結五分之一、136案委員王玉明等人提案、綜合計劃資訊服務費減劣1500萬元、
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transcript.whisperx[57].text 13契案委員陳昭志等人提案綜合計劃獎補助費檢列3000萬元凍結五分之一138案委員林岳勤吳立華等人提案科目同第13契案凍結十分之三139案委員邱振軍等人提案補助溫室氣體管理基金執行溫室氣體減量及氣候變遷相關業務凍結100萬元第140至144案科目為氣候政策及國際交流
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transcript.whisperx[58].text 第140案委員劉建國等人提案檢列500萬元凍結100萬元141案委員楊耀等人提案檢列50萬元凍結100萬元142案委員邱振均等人提案檢列50萬元凍結100萬元143案委員林月琴等人提案凍結10萬元144案委員陳金輝等人提案凍結10分之1145案委員陳金輝等人提案氣候政策及國際交流業務費凍結10分之1第146至150案科目為氣候政策及國際交流委辦備
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transcript.whisperx[60].text 及策略延期全數凍結152案委員邱振軍等人提案執行氣候變遷因應法相關法規及制度推動工作凍結100萬元主決議153案委員陳金輝等人提案154案主決議委員劉建國等人提案第155至156案委員邱振軍等人提案157案委員黃秀帆等人提案環境保護支出凍結1000萬元第158至160案
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transcript.whisperx[61].text 進凝排放科技委員邱勝軍等檢列2000萬元凍結1000萬元委員楊耀等檢列100萬元凍結100萬元委員圖圈基等凍結1000萬元1611案委員陳金輝等進凝
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transcript.whisperx[62].text 禁零排放科技業務費凍結五分之一第162、163案綠色設計創新技術及認證計畫委員盧先一等檢列五分之一委員李月琴、吳立華等凍結十分之三第164、165案水電費委員陳昭芝等檢列一百五十萬六千元委員初心權廖偉祥檢列八十萬元
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transcript.whisperx[64].text 資源循環及廢棄物管理、資源循環管理委員王玉明等檢列1000萬元、凍結500萬元委員劉建國等檢列500萬元、凍結100萬元
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transcript.whisperx[65].text 171委員蘇清泉、廖維祥等委辦費減列400萬元172、173案資源循環管理委員陳盈等減列200萬元、凍結300萬元委員楊耀等減列100萬元、凍結100萬元174委員蘇清泉、廖維祥等委辦費減列7萬元、凍結十分之一
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transcript.whisperx[67].text 181委員陳昭芝等獎補助費檢列2000萬元凍結五分之一182至184案委員邱正軍等
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transcript.whisperx[68].text 提案支援循環推動計劃凍結1000萬元支援循環地方創生計劃燃料化推動計劃各凍結100萬元185至187案廢棄物管理委員陳慶輝等凍結五分之一委員王玉敏等邱振軍等各凍結500萬元188委員盧宣一等業務費凍結五分之一189委員陳昭芝等委辦費減劣1000萬元凍結1000萬元
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transcript.whisperx[71].text 二〇〇委員邱正軍等主決議二〇一委員林月琴、洪森漢等主決議二〇二委員黃秀芳等化學物質管理署凍結一千萬元二〇三、二〇四案委員陳金輝等提案科技發展一般行政各凍結十分之三二〇五委員林淑芬等一般行政凍結二千萬元二〇六委員邱正軍、廖偉祥等基本行政工作維持凍結一千萬元
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transcript.whisperx[72].text 二零七、二零八案水電費委員蘇清泉、廖偉強等檢列二四萬元委員陳昭芝等檢列十九萬五千元二零九至二一一案化學物質管理業務委員陳瑩等檢列五百萬元委員林淑芬等、邱振軍、蘇清泉等各凍結一千萬元二一二委員廖偉強、王玉敏、陳金輝、徐巧欽、羅志強
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transcript.whisperx[107].text 繼續宣讀環境部函送財團法人114年度預算書案一財團法人環境資源研究發展基金會瓜湖一工作計劃部分因依據收入支出不動產廠房及設備及投資性不動產投資及資金運用等項目審查結果隨同調整瓜湖二收入支出及輿出部分收入總額7600萬元支出總額6850萬元本期剩余750萬元瓜湖三不動產
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transcript.whisperx[113].text 第一案支出行政管理支出凍結十分之一第二案支出委辦支出凍結十分之一財團法人環境與發展基金會第一及第二案提案人為委員廖偉祥、王育敏、陳金輝、徐巧欣、羅志強、牛許廷第一案收入委辦收入簡列二千萬元第二案固定資產投資、不動產、廠房及設備全數凍結財團法人環境權保障基金會第一案委員陳金輝等人提案
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transcript.whisperx[114].text 至初媒體政策及業務宣導費動且十分之一宣讀完畢好那我們現在都宣讀完畢現在開始進行公務預算主案討論那總共委員提案總共310案每案先請行政單位說明接著請委員表示意見那我們現在先從第一案開始第一案我們是先請公務單位先說明一下
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transcript.whisperx[115].text 麥克風是不是先把它滴過去?
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transcript.whisperx[116].text 主席還有各位委員、各位長官大家好那第一案主要是針對那個整個環境部的委辦費用其中是業務費的那個編列呢委員這邊要求有凍結跟檢列的這個提案那這個公報案結果這部目前還沒有拿到簽名要現場處理
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transcript.whisperx[117].text 是不是call一下好不好?好,我們先休息一下好不好?
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transcript.whisperx[118].text 我們先請環境部積極跟委員溝通。我們預計10點開始主案審查。請環境部這邊跟委員趕快這個主案趕快積極的溝通。謝謝。
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transcript.whisperx[119].text 好,現在我們繼續開會。那我們先從公務預算主案討論。第一案請公務單位先說明。各位委員或者是各位行政官員,如果在討論的時候希望聲音小一點,謝謝。
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transcript.whisperx[120].text 第一案主要是針對環境部的所有的委辦費全年度原先提列減列一千萬跟凍結四分之一但這邊跟委員溝通結果我們是建議不要減列然後凍結300然後委辦會改成優惠費那王委員有沒有意見
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transcript.whisperx[121].text 王玉敏委員,針對第一案的話有沒有意見?
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transcript.whisperx[122].text 就是廖偉祥、王玉敏、陳金輝。他不在。 那不然就保留。好,那第一案保留。第二案。 好,那廖委員,來。
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transcript.whisperx[123].text 那個麥克風是不是給委員這...這...喔都有齁?OK好公共碗了齁?好那...那就照...改凍結300萬改凍結300萬然後我伴會改業務費好那就照這樣...好那就照這樣通過齁第二案第二案委員已簽名那改凍結300萬元提書面報告那...廖委員
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transcript.whisperx[124].text 第二案OK好好OK好好那那就照這樣通過第三案第三案是劉建國委員的提案那我們有跟劉建國委員辦公室溝通建議改組決議不過目前還沒有簽名簽名了嗎還沒有還沒有還沒簽名是劉委員
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transcript.whisperx[125].text 第4案第4案委員以簽名改凍結10萬元,中央報告改書面報告陳慶輝委員委員以簽名有簽了吼,那就照這樣通過吼,第5案
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transcript.whisperx[126].text 第5案是由邱正鈞委員提案那委員已經簽名同意改動50萬兩個月之內提供書面報告好謝謝那就照這樣通過第6案接下來第6案是王玉敏委員的提案那我們有跟委員辦公室來討論我們初步有提供主決議的內容不曉得委員還沒有簽名
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transcript.whisperx[127].text 議員的解釋
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transcript.whisperx[128].text 一百一十二年不成立之後,我們其實有四組一院。
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transcript.whisperx[129].text 事主委員已經他是獨立機關也因此他們的預算是獨立編列那這個報告一開始的說明的內容的百分比比較低的原因他是整體在看因為我們過去環保署的年代他們都是整體的方式看待但是現在因為我們機制上的不同所以一旦我們會預付預付出去之後執行率的情況就是會達到87.19也就是我們提供給委員辦公室的這份資料那關於說到現階段為止其實如果來看我們本部的執行的情況因為
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transcript.whisperx[130].text 112到113年度我們的計劃其實是跨年度的計劃原因是因為112年我們才透過行政院合定了12項關鍵戰略是4月份以後才合定也因此我們計劃的推廣在執行的過程中時間上面比較晚一些所以因此會影響到我們113年度的情形不過我們今年度執行的情況已經有大幅度的改善我想請委員來支持讓我們可以繼續來推動我們這個計劃
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transcript.whisperx[131].text 關於凍結的部分是不是委員可以同意我們凍結的金額比較50萬的方式我們來提供書面報告。
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transcript.whisperx[132].text 第6案就是凍結100萬
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transcript.whisperx[133].text 兩月之內提供順便報告,謝謝委員第7案是陳穎委員的提案陳穎委員目前
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transcript.whisperx[134].text 我們跟辦公室初步討論的結果他們我們有提供資料給委員是同意改列減列10萬然後凍結50萬兩個月提供書面報告不過委員好像還沒簽名是好那就先保留接下來是第8案第8案的部分楊耀委員這邊委員已經簽名同意改凍結50萬兩個月提書面報告可併案
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transcript.whisperx[135].text 第8案是改凍結50萬,那2個月提書面報告。第9案陳清薇委員已經簽名同意改組決議。第10案是圖全級委員的提案。
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transcript.whisperx[136].text 有跟委員辦公室討論溝通也有提供主決議來給委員做參考但是還沒有簽名好那就先保留先保留在哪裡委員好像圖委員在這邊好圖委員有沒有意見第10第10案那有跟那個楊耀委員跟邱政經委員那我們就併案凍結50萬然後提出書面報告好謝謝委員
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transcript.whisperx[137].text 第10案是凍結50萬可併案。
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transcript.whisperx[138].text 蘇清泉委員主席部長好我覺得我們勞動部是很認真預算數也不是很大但是這裡有一個環境部彭部長也在這裡這裡有三項我要提出來這個是原則問題第一個就是
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transcript.whisperx[139].text 我這一堆全部都是電費。電費都編了44%。為什麼?電企業嘛。那堆什麼企業?那就是錯誤的能源政策嘛。那就是企業嘛。就另外要討論很多次了嘛。那你環境部本身是一個
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transcript.whisperx[140].text 這個全部都是調整電費的,44%
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transcript.whisperx[141].text 第二個就是出國的預算有已經都今年度都去了出去了齁那就是不要編得太腐爛啦齁出國編列要審慎啦不要預算要虛擲齁那第三個更重要更重要就是我們的國防預算現在美國要求我們要到3%GDP的3%我們的GDP是23兆多3%的話就7千億啊怕死人啊
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transcript.whisperx[142].text 那主要跟韌性有關的,韌性。國家打仗就是靠韌性嘛。醫療有沒有韌性的?有啊。地下室改成病房啊什麼的。環境部有沒有韌性?有啊。你就生化啦生化汙染啊什麼都是啊。所以只要跟國防跟國家韌性有關的,你就拼拼喔,不然去打就好了,你打這要幹什麼?像那個生化車,像那個那個那個灑水車或者是要要除汙的。
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transcript.whisperx[143].text 那個都是國安部有關的嘛所以這個只要任性有關的我還是會這樣要求衛生部那你環境部那更是更是洞見觀瞻嘛不然你這你就要自己去跟國安部講叫國安部去出發一年一半要多少錢要怕4人7千要多了你知道嗎整個都黑皮開啊你這樣欺騙人家都
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transcript.whisperx[144].text 二、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人114年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部主管預算
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transcript.whisperx[145].text 好,謝謝蘇清泉委員那10、11、12、13同一個科目要不要一併討論好,那劉建國委員有沒有好,那就剛剛那個圖全集委員有說就是動動物食
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transcript.whisperx[146].text 那其他委員呢?盧憲宜委員呢?我一樣還是維持十分之一。維持十分之一哈?好。那...那...劉委員?十分之一是多少?九百。
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transcript.whisperx[147].text 我想這邊跟各位委員報告有關於這個工作其實是我們12項關鍵戰略裡面的非常重要的關鍵那如果說委員這邊凍結900萬的話我們恐怕在114年度上面的執行會比較困難
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transcript.whisperx[148].text 然後這個行動計劃其實非常重要因為我們一般來講在看減碳的議題的時候現在大家可能看到了比較產業端但是其實民眾端如果依照這個國際能源總署的說法的話其實在民眾端有行為改善的部分比較佔8%也就是減碳的議題上面也非常的重要
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transcript.whisperx[149].text 我們這個計畫基本上有兩大部分一個部分是屬於推廣面推廣面的話跟民眾的實際住行預約購都有關聯那如果說我們可以透過潛移默發的方式讓民眾了解到減碳的重要性其實呢在這個過程中我們就可以達到一個減碳的效果
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transcript.whisperx[150].text 除了這個關於民眾推廣端以及教育端還有就是我們在技術面上面我們也提供了一個探註機的計算工具讓民眾可以了解自己的排碳以及如何的減碳方式那請委員來支持我們是不是可以動少一些那我們來推廣計畫的時候會比較順暢
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transcript.whisperx[151].text 那目前來講委員要凍結的部分分別是王玉敏委員是100萬那另外有委員要凍結的原來談的是50萬那現階段那個盧先生委員談到是900萬的話金額比較高是不是可以在金額上面給我們佐檢來協助我們好那土委員或盧委員或蘇委員、劉委員
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transcript.whisperx[152].text 所以土委員這邊是50萬嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[153].text 他剛剛講50萬現在配合大家嘛因為同一案嘛因為最主要為什麼會提到10分之一因為他的執行率偏低後來昨天我們的處長還是處長還是署長市長有到辦公室來解釋了所以其實他的執行率其實有達到80以上所以我們這邊就可以逐一到90萬300萬元好不好
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transcript.whisperx[154].text 兵案凍結300萬
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transcript.whisperx[155].text 14案跟15案科目相同請行政單位先說明14案是廖偉翔廖委員提案那那個廖委員已經簽名同一策案14案那15案是那個圖全旗圖委員的提案那之前有跟那個圖委員的辦公室溝通是建議策案但是委員還沒簽名那廖委員跟圖委員
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transcript.whisperx[156].text 同意測案?
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transcript.whisperx[157].text 同意測案?好,那14、15就測案。 好,那14、15就測案。16案?
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transcript.whisperx[158].text 16案是盧憲一委員,那他已經簽名改組決議。 16案是盧憲一委員,那他已經簽名改組決議。 好,那16案就改組決議,17、18、19。 好,那16案就改組決議。 17、18、19。
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transcript.whisperx[159].text 同一個科目來對但是17案17案也是是廖偉祥委員我們是建議撤案但是委員剛剛是好像聽說有簽名但是還沒有看到不曉得有沒有有嗎對沒有17案那個廖委員17案同意撤案同意撤案
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transcript.whisperx[160].text 律政委員律政委員律政委員
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transcript.whisperx[161].text 十七十八保留十九也是圖委員也是十九案我們有跟圖委員溝通他說改組決議但是還沒簽名圖委員十九案
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transcript.whisperx[162].text 因為這個我們上次有提出因為我們覺得奇怪這個重大的法案在討論的時候這部長居然不知情而且是由次長來覺醒我們覺得以後這個重大法案應該還是要由部長來處理不然我們在質詢答詢的過程居然部長說他不知道這個事情我覺得這有點離譜那19案呢那個徒惠媛
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transcript.whisperx[163].text 十九案早上圖委員說改組決議但是還沒簽名對好那你就把它改到組決議好謝謝委員那十九案改組決議二十案跟二十一案這個兵案討論齁那個陳委那個行政單位先說明
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transcript.whisperx[164].text 二十案是陳昭之委員委員已經簽名同意改凍結82萬2000元提書面說明後再解凍二十案簡略改成凍結但是我要看到你們的對案提出來對案我們會提書面說明
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transcript.whisperx[165].text 蘇委員
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transcript.whisperx[166].text 委員我們那個剪裂那個80萬我們增加80萬的部分是因為我們有聽社其實主改過後我們聽社有增加然後再來是我們明年開始是要求各司署辦大型活動都要回到我們的會議中心來辦所以我們勢必要增加電費來支援所以麻煩希望委員能夠支持我們
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transcript.whisperx[167].text 讓我們改組決議
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transcript.whisperx[168].text 二、一、二、三、二、四先保留一下啦好不好二、一、二、三、二、四保留主席先保留我跟你們討論再說二、一、二、三、二、四那都外案好這樣剛剛那個二十案就改凍結八十二萬兩千元那書面報告那二十一案保留接下來
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transcript.whisperx[169].text 第22案是王玉明委員提案那這個案子我們初步也是有跟辦公室這邊來溝通那同意撤案但是沒有同意你不可以在這邊說同意撤案初步溝通但是委員還沒有簽名所以我沒有同意啊你怎麼可以說委員同意撤案我人本人就在現場這一案
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transcript.whisperx[170].text 我要保留就是因為他其實跟後面的蘇清泉委員辦理這個新聞業務其實都有相關我要求環境部要說明你們的這個新聞語情的委辦費120萬是什麼樣的語情基本上環境部不是什麼政治單位你也不是什麼發言人士
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transcript.whisperx[171].text 那多增編這120萬到底做什麼語情收集同仁不能做嗎而且還要委外委外是委託什麼樣的機構來辦理因為現在的新聞搜尋都非常容易還要新聞語情花120萬我覺得這個有浪費之嫌
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transcript.whisperx[172].text 我想先跟委員報告一下其實這個案子我們往年歷年都是有在做這樣的監測那因為我們現在語情監測平台其實是很多啦那我們必須要有專業的監測平台像我們同仁都是5點多就在做整個語情的收集跟分析這樣我們才能做更快的快速的回應那我們才能來調整我們的那個政策作為
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transcript.whisperx[173].text 這是委辦費耶?
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transcript.whisperx[174].text 是以前對我們是因為監測的話他其實因為媒體實在是很多尤其現在整個監測的平台非常的多我們需要用這個專業的監測監測的公司來協助我們因為我們如果說同仁自己來做的話其實現在媒體真的是一個爆炸的時代我們可能沒有辦法
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transcript.whisperx[175].text ﹏﹏﹏
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transcript.whisperx[176].text bicynian yuwei yin yin zhu gai shou yuomen zhengjiale yige ke gong gong guan xi ke shou yuomen ba nege jingfei ne bianlie tiao zheng de bi zhao shuofa eo nian mao duen ni xia yu shou shi tong ren zai jian ce yi xia yu shou yi wang yu bianlie zha ne jingfei busi yuomien bianlie zheng ge jingfei ye shi dou shi wei wai gong shi zai zhuo yu shou nimen tong ren zai jian ce ne
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transcript.whisperx[177].text 我們同仁也是有在做分析就是根據他們所監測的東西我們做分析然後才提供給所有業務師來做參考。 那個你們要提供你們以前委外的經費委外什麼樣的公司跟團體然後委辦的經費是多少錢?
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transcript.whisperx[178].text 二三二四是那個蘇清泉委員這邊他有同意策案而且我已經簽名
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transcript.whisperx[179].text 二十三案保留二十四案也保留第二十五案
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transcript.whisperx[180].text 二十五萬是陳昭之委員關心雪甲爐渣案這裡不過有關雪甲爐渣案是他的主要的發掘跟稽查單位是本署我們也跟陳委員這邊有合作在後續做一些追查跟改善的工作所以我們建議是不是本案能夠
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transcript.whisperx[181].text 讓我們提書面報告凍結的部分因為是凍結到我們部長的特資費所以這個凍結數可不可以減到5%這樣子以上好請陳委員這個案子到我手上來我是非常驚訝民進黨前中指委郭再卿
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transcript.whisperx[182].text 他在爐渣案不罰掩埋爐渣而且獲利高達21.6億元居然後來才脫產成功這件事的受害者當然我們也感謝環境部是環境部去擔起責任揭發這件事情但是過去是台南市的環保局一再的庇護
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transcript.whisperx[183].text 這是可惡的黑機關啊,台南市環保局那即便現在慢慢陸續有一些清除可是現在在上面的最鄰近的那個那一塊地叫做全城新業工廠
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transcript.whisperx[184].text 二、繼續審查環境部主管預算案關於環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管二、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、
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transcript.whisperx[185].text 那環境部是主管基金我知道這件事環境部目前一定要概括承受啦那如果你沒有提出妥善的移除方案你等於在教國人怎麼做壞事嘛趕快要買一個很便宜的土地山上或鄉下然後非法掩埋爐茶
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transcript.whisperx[186].text 然後趕快低價賣給別人也不知道是不是善意的第三人賣給別人蓋了廠房蓋了這個建築然後就說不行不能拆就永遠存在這一生一世都解決不了幾生幾世都解決不了你看這個案子怎麼處理所以我是希望環境部你概括承受本部長就是說這個地方帶領環境部看看有沒有什麼方案可以來做
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transcript.whisperx[187].text 我們讓他這樣一直一直把這個案子放下去謝謝你們揭發啦但是畢竟你們是台南這個環保局的那個督導單位嘛所以我我是希望說部長好好做那就是提出一些方案不是不能解凍啦但是還是麻煩你提出一些怎麼樣來處理這個後續的部分謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[188].text 是 報告委員 是不是這樣子齁 那個我們會提方案齁 啊 也是 是不是兩個月時間我們提方案啊 不過這個部分因為後面同樣的案子還有238跟290啊 這個是我們部長他需要對於整個部的同仁有很多的這個獎勵啦齁 鼓勵啊 這個部是不是看能不能
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transcript.whisperx[189].text 議員趕快提出這個未來的移居方案吧因為這個獲利太高了因為這塊地獲利太高了我們都很努力我也知道學甲的居民是非常的受苦委員要我們去的時候我們都很努力的在去處理這一塊
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transcript.whisperx[190].text 第25案保留第26案
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transcript.whisperx[191].text 主席各位委員大家好二十六案委員已經簽名改為主決議好那二十六案改為主決議第二十七案二十七案跟二十八案同同科目然後我們並案討論二十七案
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transcript.whisperx[192].text 二十七案是林淑芬委員的提案我們剛剛有溝通她同意就是改凍結300萬元三個月內提書面報告基金委員會同意來我講一下這個案子很重要的原因是因為我們都知道環境部預告了修正了這個環評法的施行細則那雖然在答詢當中我們的部長都表示他並沒有參與
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transcript.whisperx[193].text 然後感覺上是好像是中規司可能有一點對部長不老實所以本來是應該要凍結一千萬但是我想我們凍結案上簡略預算的目的並不是凍這個錢為目的其實是希望他們改
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transcript.whisperx[194].text 那在這種狀況裡面我們希望在最後的那一段裡面我們希望他提出的是
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transcript.whisperx[195].text 帶環境部提出強化地方環評量能及精進作為及環評施行細則修法情形的書面報告然後向立法院衛環委員會提出專案報告後經同意使得動之抱歉要加一個三個月內所以這樣的狀況我們同意少動,凍結300萬
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transcript.whisperx[196].text 行政單位還要說明嗎?還是就照這樣?
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transcript.whisperx[197].text 委員剛剛是說書面報告那我們3個月內提書面報告對3個月提出書面報告然後經同意後使得動之好謝謝委員可以嗎好那就照委員這樣的要求報告委員那個您交代的事情我們會妥善的處理不好意思謝謝因為部長其實是有承諾的但是我們真的是很在乎這樣的事情
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transcript.whisperx[198].text 二十八案是盧憲憶委員提出來的。那我們有跟辦公室溝通改動一百萬然後科目可以自行調整那我們二十八案、四十一案、四十二案、四十四案、四十五案、四十六案
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transcript.whisperx[199].text 啊都病案竹案是45案因為可以可以這樣一起討論嗎我我我看竹案啊好不好竹案啊好大家翻來翻去這樣那這個案子是盧委員說可以都動100萬然後可以並動好那這邊OK盧委員
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transcript.whisperx[200].text 二十九案是圖圈級委員,那委員已經簽名,就是凍結50萬元,然後科目調整為氣候變遷業務,那可以併案。
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transcript.whisperx[201].text 因為這個後來科目我們允許他自行調整可是當初那個他那個業務費是400多萬可是我們配合他給他科目自行調整因為他說減碳的部分是氣候變遷屬可是氣候變遷屬他的預算是3億多耶所以我們認為他要做這個報告我們先凍結1000萬
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transcript.whisperx[202].text 跟委員說明那個氣候變遷業務那個是因為最主要那個3億多元其實是要去支持那個明年最主要包括碳費收入自主減量計劃的審查等等
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transcript.whisperx[203].text ﹚立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及資源研究發展基金會等4家財團法人114年度中央政府總預算:一、繼續審查環境部主管預算.一、繼續審查環境部主管基金會等4家財團法人114年度中央政府總預算.一、繼續審查環境部主管基金會等4家財團法人114年度中央政府總預算.一、繼續審查環境部主管基金會等4家財團法人114年度中央政府總預算.一、繼續審查環境部主管基金會等4家財團
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transcript.whisperx[204].text 第29案保留第30案
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transcript.whisperx[205].text 三十案、三十一案、三十二案、三十三案一併討論跟委員報告第30案是廖偉祥委員所提案目前來講我們有跟委員溝通但是還沒有得到委員的同意我們有提供主決議但是委員這邊還沒有簽名
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transcript.whisperx[206].text 那是不是其他的31、32、33、34跟38案我們都有得到委員的同意然後分別有不同的結果有的是主決有的是改動解那現在就是30案的部分那委員這邊是不是同意我們所提供的主決議保留保留謝謝好那30案保留31案
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transcript.whisperx[207].text 我們是已經同意改動捷50萬然後也要求你們要提書面報告而且也允許你們併案可是我這邊還是要講我們有一些回收再製的東西是賣不出去的
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transcript.whisperx[208].text 這個現象環境部應該要跟經濟部做個跨部會的溝通因為我們回收再利用還是必須要創造出產值不應該是做一做然後把它送到開發中國掉當然
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transcript.whisperx[209].text 反正我就是覺得再利用必須要有經濟產資出
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transcript.whisperx[210].text 我們這邊在循環產品我們這邊會來大力的推動包括認證或者是標示或者是鼓勵然後要讓它在市場上可以流通這個事情因為未來我們的政府的採購我們有強調要把這個項目要放進去因為過去這種東西市場接受度不高現在希望未來的政府的公共工程採購支出要這個比例要把它拉高
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transcript.whisperx[211].text 市場接受度不高市場接受度
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transcript.whisperx[212].text 政府率先推動來採購這個是第一步我覺得回收再利用最終的目的還是再利用而且不應該僅限於政府機關利用要是普遍的國人甚至可以外銷出去好不好好沒問題謝謝委員好謝謝主席那31案是改動
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transcript.whisperx[213].text 二、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人114年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部主管預算書案
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transcript.whisperx[214].text 那陳委員已經簽了嗎?是。好。好。那33?33案是初期委員已經同意改組決議。兩個月提書面報告。來,這個我也有一點意見齁。你這個300多萬是推動綠色採購模式。綠色採購、換籌、委辦會、誘因等等齁。這個是藏著宣傳會在裡面嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[215].text 跟委員這邊說明喔你不要拿這些錢又去請那個網軍什麼的會不會啊跟委員跟委員報告我們這個部分不是宣傳費我們這邊是委辦費因為呢我們這個3165萬的部分含括兩個地方一個是環保標章的制度的一個推廣跟應該說它的建制就包括環保標章規格標準的一些建制修正等等的還有後市場查核
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transcript.whisperx[216].text 關於政府部門以及企業如何推廣綠色採購相關金額的一個
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transcript.whisperx[217].text 我比較關心的是媒體政策、宣傳會用
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transcript.whisperx[218].text 關於媒體政策文宣費的這個部分我們其實都基本上會依照相關的規定來做處理然後並不是一整個的方式來做發包而是看個別的委員計畫的不一樣然後呢其實裡面的金額都非常的小
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transcript.whisperx[219].text 我保證環境部沒有網軍。絕對沒有。而且也沒有委外這個事。我真的保證。因為我被打都沒有人幫我回應。好。那33案蘇委員是不是可以改成主決議?好那33案改成主決議。34案。34案蕾文祥委員已經同意改動50萬但是他不併案。
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transcript.whisperx[221].text 有簽了嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[224].text 有簽了嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[227].text 有簽了嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[228].text 有簽了嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[257].text 三十四案改動五十萬。接下來三十五案。三十五案有跟委員報告,那就是同意改組決議。那改兩個月提出。有簽了嗎?那三十五案改組決議。三十六案。
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transcript.whisperx[258].text 36案36案我願意簽名改組決議36案改組決議37案
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transcript.whisperx[259].text 三十七案是陳金輝委員提案那改凍結一百萬元然後三個月內提書面報告委員已簽名好那三十七案改凍一百萬38案陳委員簽名三十七案是科目也調整為氣候變遷
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transcript.whisperx[260].text 三十八案三十八案是蘇清泉委員的提案委員已經簽名同意改成主決議兩個月提書院報告你現在派到國外去是派住在國你是要做什麼
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transcript.whisperx[261].text 我準備你派一個人 你斷不掉了你斷不掉了 沒有沒有 我要派一個人去歐盟啦 炒那個西邊的事啦 另外一個是現在美國新總統要上任了 我們希望美國新總統要退出那個COP啊 但是我們台灣的利益要補負一下 所以我們未來也會強化這個 退退掉就好了
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transcript.whisperx[262].text 我們還是要維護台灣的利益啦,不能輸掉啦。
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transcript.whisperx[263].text 三十八案保留,三十九案是邱政軍委員的提案,委員已簽名改動一百萬三個月內提書面報告。
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transcript.whisperx[264].text 事實案
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transcript.whisperx[265].text 事實案是王雁明委員的提案這個部分這個案子很重要因為它涉及到環評前陣子這個爭議非常大這個環境部要下放自己環評把關的權益然後下放到地方政府這個引發非常大的一個爭議所以這個部分應該是這個的確要嚴格監督所以我本來要刪你們就是說既然你不想做那就把你的預算刪掉
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transcript.whisperx[266].text 對 那如果你們是想 所以你們要好好回答 如果你們是不想做 那預算就刪除齁 那如果是想做的話 那我們就要嚴格的監督 所以請環境部回答 在環評的部分 你們現在到底打算怎麼做 這個要一個明確的回答 要做還是不要做 我們環評當然會努力做
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transcript.whisperx[268].text 關於環境部主管預算案關於環境部主管
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transcript.whisperx[269].text 禮拜四禮拜一才跟經濟委員會又去嘉義看一次即使是漁電工程都有很大的問題但是這當中我覺得地方政府不把關中央政府也不把關然後就是漁民就是非常的辛苦就是他想要養魚的
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transcript.whisperx[270].text 二、繼續審查環境部主管
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transcript.whisperx[271].text 但是現在有很多是化整圍嶺,它就包圍村莊。它跟我們住的地方都被光電包圍了,沒有人幫它主持公道。那我覺得部會之間經濟部往前衝去衝光電的量,環境部總要站在人民這一邊吧。
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transcript.whisperx[272].text 環境權你對你的生態對人民的衝擊我覺得你們這個把關真的是不利啦所以你們現在修的這個環評很多都是漏網之魚你們根本也管不到因為他的規模沒有達到一定規模你們現在拉的那個標準是非常高的我只能這樣告訴你他現在光電業者就是化整為零啊我也是要蓋啊
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transcript.whisperx[273].text ﹏﹏
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transcript.whisperx[274].text 二、繼續審查
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transcript.whisperx[275].text 那個上次開會的時候他就講說所有的都收回來我們來處理這個我們後續會嚴加把關然後另外我要跟委員說明一下以往雖然太陽光店沒有進到環評的部分其實是能源署那邊有環社檢核
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transcript.whisperx[277].text 這個口說無憑啦齁所以我刪減我可以不用刪減但是要改凍結齁凍結就是要監督你們要落實我真的覺得部會之間如果環境部你們該把關的該幫人民爭取的你們不爭取你們退讓了那那個就是人民的損失部會跟部會之間大家都賣大你們沒有比經濟部小啦
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transcript.whisperx[278].text 所以其實該去督促能源署的你們環境部會比能源署小嗎?怎麼會?部長你會逼一個署長開誰啊?不會啊對啊所以就是你該站在人民這邊的一定要大聲啊為什麼他不按照你環境部提出來的那就按照你環境部相關的規章
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transcript.whisperx[279].text 我還是可以去做環境檢核啊我可以開法我可以要求你就是不准啊我要的是環境部硬起來好不好就是你們在這件事情上面你們真的是很有角色的你們不要變成小弟經濟部沒那麼大啦環境部已經升格啦部長
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transcript.whisperx[281].text 環境部必須把你們的這個相關為人民在環境權益把關的不用怕經濟部啦該講話就講話該用你的行政權去要求他糾正他就要求他啦我覺得這樣子我們的環境環境部才有意義不是嗎部長
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transcript.whisperx[282].text 報告委員其實第一個是環評剛剛那個光電的部分我們會收回來專要做那我在很多的場合也希望這個能源署能夠對整個光電整個的量有多少可以做一個政策環評不過他們還在研議那這個未來呢要怎麼做也希望委員也可以在各種管道大家一起努力因為保護環境不要光電民眾的疑慮我們一定要來解決所以這個希望我們大家要一起努力做謝謝還希望委員多支持啦
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transcript.whisperx[284].text 二、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等4家財團法人1、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等4家財團法人2、繼續審查環境資源研究
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transcript.whisperx[285].text 二、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人
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transcript.whisperx[286].text 第41案是陳穎委員提出來的有到辦公室去溝通但是還沒有獲得
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transcript.whisperx[287].text 同意和簽名好那我們就先保留第42案42案是楊耀委員提出來的要已經簽名就是同意凍結100萬然後3個月內提書面報告可並凍好那第42案就改凍結100萬第43案43案是陳金輝委員提出來的委員已經簽名了改成主決議
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transcript.whisperx[288].text 好,第43案改組決議第44案是王正旭委員提出來的那他也是同意就是委員已經簽名就是可以
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transcript.whisperx[289].text 提出書面報告就可以了來主席我可以說明一下嗎有關於這個第44案包括剛剛王惠民委員所提到大埔案的部分我相信我們那邊去看真的知道光電的這些開發很重要可是如果影響到環境的話我們必須要非常用最高標準的
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transcript.whisperx[292].text 我們要看到的書面報告的內容來處理。這是以上針對44案希望能夠處理的目標。謝謝。好,謝謝委員。好,那44案是並其他的案子?對,它都59萬6千元,然後可並案。我們會並其他案子一起來處理。好,好。
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transcript.whisperx[293].text 第14案是凍結596000元,可以併案處理。第45案是圖權及委員提出來的凍200萬可併案。
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transcript.whisperx[294].text 徒惠媛
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transcript.whisperx[295].text 那你把那時候說的把它書面說明清楚然後而且中央下方地方這些事情部長這些部分也交代清楚來有些部分你這樣交代清楚就沒問題我們監督啦好不好
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transcript.whisperx[296].text 議員說明一下是哪幾案
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transcript.whisperx[297].text 第二十八案、四十一案、四十二案、四十四案、四十五案、四十六案並案處理、凍結三百萬。
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transcript.whisperx[298].text 行政單位是不是說一下是哪一個科目
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transcript.whisperx[299].text 綜合綜合綜合企劃及管制考核那個環境影響評估整合與管理下下OK好好可以了吼好那就照這樣了吼好那第47案
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transcript.whisperx[300].text 47案是盧憲毅委員提案有關噪音的預算編列的一些事項那這邊兩個問題都跟委員這邊有報告過那我們是建議能不能改成主決議那委員有錢嗎?還沒?吳委員我這邊是希望環境部能夠對我們噪音噪音管理這邊他說要
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transcript.whisperx[301].text 設置聲音照相設備我希望這邊有霧台箱因為他們長期受到噪音的困擾希望這邊能夠優先設置第二個就是台東市這樣基地周遭的民眾也是有提出噪音的那個希望回饋所以希望能夠在這邊有些先建置啦所以我這邊有這邊簡列2456萬可以改我們凍結10%好不好
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transcript.whisperx[302].text 後面幾個案主要是空氣污染的部分
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transcript.whisperx[303].text 其他跟盧委員的不一樣嗎?科目是一樣啦。 所以我是在噪音管制這個部分齁?
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transcript.whisperx[304].text 因為這個項目只要是,剛剛委員提的這個是我們補助的地方去買那個噪音設備的。
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transcript.whisperx[305].text 第47案改組決議第48案48、49、50、51、52
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transcript.whisperx[306].text 五三五四行政單位市長48案剛剛有再跟廖偉強廖委員再溝通廖委員還是建議先保留
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transcript.whisperx[307].text 因為我那天在跟您對談的時候我覺得我真的聽不太清楚你所謂的AI的導入到底是什麼感覺是為了用而用也搞不清楚說到底用在哪裡那所以我希望說這個部分是不是先保留然後等你們把那個內容解釋清楚之後我們再來討論
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transcript.whisperx[308].text 跟委員報告我們昨天有把補充的資料給委員辦公室的主任那這個我們有需要再補充我們會再提書面的補充我們先保留然後回去看有什麼需要補充的再討論好那我48案先保留齁49案
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transcript.whisperx[309].text 49 49案改組決議50案黃旭芳委員提案已經簽字同意改凍結100萬元
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transcript.whisperx[310].text 五十案改動解一百萬五十一案五十一案跟民主黨委員提案目前是同意改動解五百萬元然後文字有做一些小調整就是解動條件有做一些小調整那委員不在那不然我們先保留五十一案先保留五十案
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transcript.whisperx[311].text 五十案也是一樣也是改動五百萬元那委員同意了早上跟我們報告的結果已經同意了還沒簽那個簽字他有簽嗎簽字好像還沒簽他沒有簽嗎好那就先保留五十案也保留五十三案五十三案王正旭委員等這個是簽我們已經簽字了但是改書面報告文字做修正
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transcript.whisperx[312].text 五十四案也
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transcript.whisperx[313].text 五十三案就那個文字修正嗎?五十三跟五十四病案然後做合併凍結一百萬元。哦,好。那五十三、五十四合併案凍一百萬。是這樣嗎?是。OK,好。五十五案。
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transcript.whisperx[314].text 五十五案已經簽字同意改動一百萬元五十五案改動一百萬五十六案
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transcript.whisperx[316].text 議員們的目標是2300輛結果你還差了200多輛就是沒有達到你的目標你的執行成效並不好那明明不是這個對於我們改善空污其實是很重要而且地方政府應該也都不會不想要
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transcript.whisperx[317].text 有路線﹖
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transcript.whisperx[318].text 一般小車子買了就馬上到貨他要建制
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transcript.whisperx[319].text ﹏﹏﹏
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transcript.whisperx[320].text 那這樣你的預算就是多的啊?目前變的預算是已經縣市都已經拿出計畫然後也合訂了我們是照那個合訂的錢來編的
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transcript.whisperx[321].text 因為地方提這個他還要牽扯到他的營運到底能不能賺錢因為如果一直貼下去我們不可能補到全額所以他們要整個營運的績效看整個包括那個載客人數如果有些載客數太少可能他也比較我覺得這個你可能要調整一下你的補助的方式因為其實這個如果對於都會地區他把載客量他人就比較多啊他載客量比較多啊
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transcript.whisperx[322].text ﹏﹏﹏
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transcript.whisperx[323].text 是的他是很用心在推但他本身他的區域範圍大然後搭乘的人數本來就會比都會密集區你算人次他們一定吃虧啦但是他們又很需要所以我們有補助人是其中一個補助的指標另外就是新開的路線或者說行駛的里程這都算進來這是考慮到說偏鄉有跟那個都會地區的差距
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transcript.whisperx[324].text ﹏﹏﹏
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transcript.whisperx[325].text 五十六案凍結三百萬五十七案
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transcript.whisperx[326].text 有新案是劉建國委員提報了那目前我們跟委員辦公室這邊提過是建立改動解一百萬人提書案報告劉委員這是不可能的事
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transcript.whisperx[327].text 部長你看一下齁他的名稱叫做環境部辦理2030年客運車輛電動化推動計畫等於說2030年我們的客運車輛要將全面電動化嘛齁這個計畫基本上
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transcript.whisperx[328].text 我們會支持嘛怎麼會去反對不可能嘛但是怎麼會會把金會給地方政府之後他們去買什麼他們不是去買電動公車也不是去買中古的電動公車他去買中古的買中古的柴油公車
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transcript.whisperx[329].text 這個有道理嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[330].text 這個我會說明一下 主要這樣 這個所謂2030客運車輛電動化推動計畫這是我們交通部提案的抱怨的一個計畫 那環境部這邊是配合來辦理 那我們的錢就剛剛說的我們的費用並沒有去補助各縣市政府去買車子
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transcript.whisperx[331].text 所以我已經提到這個是基隆市政府去買的那個錢不是我們這邊的錢我們給的是電動車你有營運我們才補助你營運的費用你有載人我們才給電動車載人的費用所以那個是兩回事但是我們了解是基隆市政府自己的經費去買的跟這個沒有關聯
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transcript.whisperx[332].text 好不好,你這麼講那我們就把問題再拉到你講的嘛錢沒有補助給交通部去讓基隆他們去買中古柴油公車對不對但是他的營運錢是不是你讓你們補助的沒有,柴油車領不到錢
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transcript.whisperx[333].text 他才有車我們不會補助他就有電動車才有補助所以為什麼目前只有8個縣市提出申請就有要有電動車那像剛剛講嘉義縣他也買到車子可是車子還沒交貨他也不能申請
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transcript.whisperx[334].text 所以可能就有點誤解因為那個計畫是交通部是主責單位他的電動車都交通部能補出去那我們說他你車子有車子以後電動車去營運我們再給他這個費用所以你們都有
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transcript.whisperx[335].text 所以這個錢就是基本上
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transcript.whisperx[336].text 一毛錢都沒有要補
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transcript.whisperx[337].text 第58案是陳慶威委員提案目前辦公室這邊同意改組決議委員已經簽名
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transcript.whisperx[338].text 五十八案改組決議五十九案五十九案改組決議
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transcript.whisperx[339].text 因為我們對環境部非常的客氣
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transcript.whisperx[340].text 來這裡公共我們就都給你們參與決議、動輒一點點,那都是對環境部的支持。但是我剛剛看到那個盧憲宜兩億多的預算給你們公共之後,我覺得你們都窮得這麼年輕,不要再來了。第一次當的人你們都這樣呼嚨呼嚨。我再講一次,空污的部分太嚴重了。
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transcript.whisperx[341].text 我們屏東的忍受這樣365天止暴都將近300天那這樣的話我這裡要跟部長講回過頭來
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transcript.whisperx[342].text 太吾、瑪迦、萊義整個三邊那邊都很嚴重部長你上次也去考察我們都看了所以我說如果我們原住民區或者是潮州這裡三角下這些要回饋啦要怎麼回饋我們部長你要給我承諾啦如果我可以回饋或是說有什麼要求你要給我答應好不好
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transcript.whisperx[343].text 來改善啦,因為回饋齁,那個預算編不出來啦。 我的環境部比較沒那麼回饋啦。 我想辦法來考察啊,來改善這個問題啦。 就是空污的這個傳送的問題。 因為屏東這邊的三角車,這是高雄來的。 污染那麼嚴重齁。 那台東那邊關山那邊又搞一個戰備跑道。 那是噪音啦。 所以這噪音
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transcript.whisperx[344].text 蘇委員
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transcript.whisperx[345].text 62案是王毓民委員提案主要是關於環境噪音的問題
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transcript.whisperx[346].text 我去年在擔任台中市副市長的時候這個是議會裡面質詢就是最關鍵的議題所以這個部分你們要做更多啦所以凍結是要監督你們就凍結100萬
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transcript.whisperx[347].text 為什麼你們這麼弱勢反而在部裡面這麼少錢?
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transcript.whisperx[348].text 部長你要登一條鏡啊。 這個我們今年照應的預算有增加上。 這個真的民怨之首喔。 今天有增加出來。 然後另外我們有個專案計畫是目前在報行政院爭取預算當中。 這個有處理。 我們另外有一筆要爭取就是說那個很多自動的這個偵測的這個設備。 現在在爭取行政院的預算當中。 你要極力去爭取。 那個部分其實是蠻重要的。
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transcript.whisperx[349].text 我們改動50萬就好了好不好沒有你們前面有動50萬的嗎有這個因為這個噪音的是比較比較難那個就是我們空瓦基金沒辦法用到這裡來空瓦基金不能用到噪音所以這個就沒有辦法所以伸縮彈性非常小而且工作人員還蠻多的那這個部長你可能你上任之後
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transcript.whisperx[350].text 你這要看到這樣的現象我覺得噪音管制還是很重要這部分的預算不應該少就是你在公務預算的編列裡面有的是可以從你基金來的你就那邊是產性但這個不行的我覺得如果少成這樣子地方政府其實都都覺得這個問題需要積極的改善所以這個部分應該要好好的去做這樣子我凍結的目的是要要求你們就是要積極的去做
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transcript.whisperx[351].text 好那就凍結50萬好謝謝委員謝謝好那60案凍結50萬齁那63案63案是邱政軍委員提案那目前跟委員溝通的結果是同意改組決議而三個月提書案報告喔委員簽了嗎還沒有還沒有簽齁邱委員好那63案同意改組決議64案
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transcript.whisperx[352].text 林業群委員提案,目前公共結果初步同意改成主決議。
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transcript.whisperx[353].text 講一下我不是凍結很多錢也同意改組決議可是還是要提醒因為這上次我就質詢過對於噪音尤其是像不知道你們現在對於各縣市到底這樣的監測設備補助多少還有最大的隱憂是我現在一直因為我的認養區域是桃園那桃園的居民大家都一直來反映這件事情他們深受困擾
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transcript.whisperx[355].text 到明年會累計有45套我們那個套數的補助是根據轄區的噪音懲罰案件數的多寡然後去分配那個套數那未來在爭取中的還有300套讓這個各地方政府來申請
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transcript.whisperx[357].text 六十四案就改主決議六十五案六十五案是陳昭志委員這邊提案的但目前這一個六十五案溝通結果同意改成主決議三個月提書案報告有簽了嗎簽了六十五案改主決議六十六案
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transcript.whisperx[358].text 六十二一案是陳昭慈委員提案那是目前公共結果同意改成主決議有簽嗎?陳委員66案這一件還沒簽我們就現場他再說明陳委員第66案
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transcript.whisperx[359].text 請行政部門先說明。 請行政部門先說明
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transcript.whisperx[360].text 我們這次案主要是那個有人提案說我們在基本在推那個機車的排氣管檢驗跟申請登記就是改裝登記沒有把汽車納進來那這個主要是這樣就機車就排氣管改裝要不要登錄那是交通部的全責環境部管不到這一塊我們現在管的是噪音有沒有超標然後事實上我們目前的那個
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transcript.whisperx[361].text 關於環境財團法人114年度中央政府總預算案關於環境財團法人114年度中央政府總預算案關於環境財團法人114年度中央政府總預算案
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transcript.whisperx[362].text 那因為那個在那個登記的部分是要到交通安全條例那邊才有辦法去規範環境部的法規沒有辦法要求
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transcript.whisperx[363].text 你如果噪音是你管的然後你說這個東西是要交通部處理這兩件事噪音排氣管改裝我們管不到我們管到它改裝以後很吵我們可以管所以我們是只要超標我們都罰對你要定義統一的等下我們統一的標準跟檢驗標準嘛剛剛上面為什麼投議改成主決議就是你全國的縣市標準不一樣嘛
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transcript.whisperx[364].text 所以就在善後囉?
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transcript.whisperx[365].text 就只是負責罰?
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transcript.whisperx[366].text 你不能溝通嗎?你們不能溝通嗎?不是不是,跟委員報告那個車子的噪音會超標啊不是只有改裝的那個問題改不改是一件事情包括那個駕駛習慣那個都會影響到噪音的那個大小所以我們是只要超標超過噪音的管制標準我們就會處罰不管是汽車或機車 那個提案有重點啊就是汽機車都要在裡面啊
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transcript.whisperx[367].text 那個重點不在環境部的法條裡面那不是我們可以管的就環境部來講是一次同仁只要超標都處罰你不能承諾說你們會努力因為你們覺得這件事重要啊難道你覺得無所謂不是無所謂因為改裝只是噪音超標的其中一個原因不是全部的原因但是我們會持續跟交通部來溝通但是因為法規不在我們環境部管轄的
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transcript.whisperx[368].text 但是你覺得會造成你後面的因為你在後面收拾善後你看到結果是這樣你知道源頭有一些原因都不做事嗎?不是不是不是不做事因為這東西改裝這件事情來講怎麼改那個牽扯到車子安全的一些問題不是你不能提專業建議案嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[369].text 這不是我們環境部可以處理,我們可以建立,建立這部分我們可以承諾。 我就是要你積極的去做出這個建議案啊。 可以的,這個建議案我們可以同意,但是那個法不是我們訂的,我想跟委員報告一下。 但是你要提醒他們,跨部會不是各自吹喇叭啊。 可以可以。 還行政院嗎?還一個國家嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[370].text 我們會把那個稽查的結果跟那個
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transcript.whisperx[371].text 交通部這邊來溝通,能不能把這個納進去。好,報告委員,這個我會找交通部來協調這個事情。對嘛,就是這樣嘛,院會也要吵,就你們認為要緊的東西,除了你告訴我你不在乎這件事情嘛。那你如果一再在這邊罰錢,但是沒有解決源頭的問題,包括那個檢驗標準它都不一致,各個縣市隨便地方政府去做這個檢驗標準。我們那個標準方法,我們這部是一致沒有問題的。
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transcript.whisperx[372].text 所以66案就改主決議是這樣嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[373].text 66案改組決議67案改組決議67案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案改組決議68案
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transcript.whisperx[374].text 六十八案改動五十萬六十九案六十九案是陳慶輝委員提案目前官方結果已經簽字同意改成主決議六十九案同意改主決議七十案蘇建權委員提案目前已經同意改主決議三個月提出文報告有簽字嗎已經簽字簽字好七十案改主
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transcript.whisperx[375].text 公務及基金預算案關於環境部主管預算案關於環境部主管預算案
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transcript.whisperx[376].text 其實那是圖娟及委員提案目前溝通是建議改組決議上個月提出的報告還沒簽字還沒簽字好圖委員好那改組決議沒問題因為針對這個噪音的部分其實很多縣市很困擾可是桃園真的也是特別嚴重那我也相信陳情檢舉的案件很多
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transcript.whisperx[377].text 所以針對主決議這部分我們希望我們各縣市劃定噪音熱區優先補助以外也希望主決議提供委員會相關的資料各縣市噪音檢舉的案件然後依這個熱區來盡量多補助像有些曾經很多的真的曾經很多的還是要優先補助他們所以我希望說針對這個
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transcript.whisperx[378].text 提供資料給委員會好像比較成績案多的我們就優先來處理要一個明確的數據好沒問題好72案改組決議73案這是王立民提案我們是目前是初步同意改動結500萬元客戶可調整那還沒簽字已經簽了嗎沒有簽好那王委員
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transcript.whisperx[379].text 好這一案呢這個就是之前大家有在提齁你們的那個預算就是應該要編列在化學署就是相關的基金嘛是這一案嘛對不對
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transcript.whisperx[380].text 對,這是那個化學物質的9100萬元9100萬元對那你們未來這個要怎麼調整?你們現在是用公務,編載公務預算並沒有編載你們的基金對,因為主要這個搭配那個化學組這邊提報的一個大的計畫底下那針對空氣類的有害空氣污染物我們來做一些監測然後管制然後整個那個管理
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transcript.whisperx[381].text 所以這一塊是我們做的,我們BAN到我們這一邊那幾個是合體,一個是跨機關的那個方式合體好,這一個我看你們是配合國防部啦,是不是?不是跟國防部沒有關聯你們就是因為這樣子調整你們的那個BAN列方式嗎?是,根本報告齁,其實像現在很多像前一陣子在深坑那些電子廠啊
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transcript.whisperx[382].text 那有鋰電池那些,如果發生火災其實就會有複合式的會出來所以說我們這部分就會跟空保處這邊一起結合跟行政院,這個都是另外徵取經費的就是一旦火災,那火災又有種類如果有涉及毒化物或者化學品的那個監測檢測又另外一個課題所以我們就合體這個計畫去徵取經費跟國防部那沒有關係那你說這個另外徵取經費是什麼?
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transcript.whisperx[383].text 我們意思說我們通常在跟行政院爭取經費的時候原來他會核給我們一些嘛對不對然後我們自己有基金嘛對不對那另外他會我們要提計畫去爭取在行政院裡面額度外的那這個就是好不容易去就是爭取到的額外爭取到的額外爭取到的對沒錯就是增加了新增的預算就是行政院再多給你們的對多給我們的對沒錯然後就是要做的就是跟
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transcript.whisperx[384].text 跟國防部沒有關係?沒有關係,完全沒有關係。 有吧,不然他幹嘛都給?這幾年齁,尤其是近一兩年啊,像這個鋰電池的工廠也好,像深坑那個就是齁,那一發生之後其實它還蠻複雜的。所以我們就基於這樣的這個原因,我們就結合空保處啊,來提這部分有害空氣污染物的這部分的研究也好,或監測也好。跟國防部一點關係都沒有。
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transcript.whisperx[385].text 七十三案改動五百萬七十四案
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transcript.whisperx[386].text 七十萬是已經簽字了書信員委員提案這個是一個月你會來來來我這個要講話你這個化學韌性永續
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transcript.whisperx[387].text 我再講一次喔我那個王一民委員敏感度比較高啦這是公務部的紀委喔不是不是我現在看到這個陣型我都很討厭不是啦各位報告齁那是最主要是環境部主題啦我們因為化學物質管理嘛啊涉及其他部會嘛所以像內政部消防署的還有衛福部的也有在這裡面經濟部也在這裡面
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transcript.whisperx[388].text 國防部的話是因為我們他協助我們毒化災的救災所以在10年前就有編列這個叫做人員儲物車那麽老舊啊所以是計劃是合在一起但是預算是分別去爭取如果是要跟打仗有關係你就國防部去編掉為什麼你要幫他分攤費用沒有沒有沒有因為你是化學署的變多很明顯那你整體環境部其實沒有變多然後就一個化學署
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transcript.whisperx[389].text 公務及基金預算
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transcript.whisperx[390].text 國安部不編叫你們編沒有沒有沒有編沒有啦沒有啦沒有啦沒有啦沒有啦沒有啦沒有啦沒有啦沒有啦沒有啦沒有啦
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transcript.whisperx[391].text 國際安全化學振興勇氣計劃
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transcript.whisperx[392].text 看到這個就...因為我們獨管法修完法之後其實在行政院有成立一個國家化學物質管理匯報是院長召集的那我們部長是執行長那各部會都有在裡面了所以基於這樣的話其實很多計畫都一起...阿公保的公保在跟你吃豆腐你還在做執行長沒有啦沒有沒有他自己編他自己的他不是跟我拿協助獨化災的這部分協助獨化災的其實他只有一點點一點點對
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transcript.whisperx[393].text 除了這個那個是﹗就是說編在你們這邊是5年然後5年分成9億、10幾億、20幾億不是,對分年編列嘛但是主要都是化學屬的嘛對,主要都是化學屬的環境部要把我們的環境做得好、空汙、水汙做得好對,剛剛所提的那個空汙也有一部分要修台、要修建的,就公務部自己去負擔對對對,那個部分咱們自己編那邊拼拼給你啊,叫你這裡沒錢啊,又拼給你去負擔
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transcript.whisperx[394].text 我上次也說你們有一個什麼化學人員訓練但其實國防部他們自己也有他們的化學兵啊對化學兵他們那個部分我們不管但是他們如果要來支援我們這個像那個毒化災的這個發生的時候啊我們因為我們這個行政有一個中央毒化災防救又計劃
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transcript.whisperx[395].text 內部就有各部會的分工,所以他們會來。 一些設備啊,一些這個應該是公務部買一買,化學冰那麼那麼那麼大。 為什麼自己花錢。 不是,一倍部分都是他們買的啦。 對。
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transcript.whisperx[397].text 我們的部分我知道就是其實我們未來會這個擴大列管嘛像我們現在就有一個300多種的這個PFS已經在預告當中就是會逐步增加列管那你就要去流向追蹤這些都會增加經費這樣子另外一個就是我們還有就是那個毒化災的應變隊應變隊現在是10隊兩個中心
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transcript.whisperx[399].text 關於環境部主管及其他財團法人
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transcript.whisperx[400].text 二、繼續審查環境部主管預算案關於環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管二、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境
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transcript.whisperx[401].text 75案
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transcript.whisperx[402].text 那個蘇委員蘇委員你是同意改動捷還是好75案保留76案
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transcript.whisperx[403].text 七十六案也是跟剛剛討論這個內容是一樣的跟化學的那個目前已經簽字改組決議七十六案改好那七十六案改組決議七十七案
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transcript.whisperx[404].text 秋政卿委員提案目前已經同意改組決議一個月提出報告有簽字嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[405].text 秋政卿委員提案目前已經同意改組決議一個月提出報告有簽字嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[406].text 秋政卿委員提案目前已經同意改組決議一個月提出報告有簽字嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[407].text 秋政卿委員提案目前已經同意改組決議一個月提出報告有簽字嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[408].text 秋政卿委員提案目前已經同意改組決議一個月提出報告有簽字嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[409].text 秋政卿委員提案目前已經同意改組決議一個月提出報告有簽字嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[410].text 秋政卿委員提案目前已經同意改組決議一個月提出報告有簽字嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[411].text 秋政卿委員提案目前已經同意改組決議一個月提出報
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transcript.whisperx[412].text 七十七案改組決議然後一個月提書面報告七十八案七十八案跟七十七案是一樣的好那都一樣啦改組決議然後一個月提書面報告七十九案七十九案林淑芬委員提案但是我們建議改凍結一百萬
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transcript.whisperx[415].text 在哪裡?
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transcript.whisperx[417].text 82在那裡?
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transcript.whisperx[418].text 在那裡?
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transcript.whisperx[419].text 我這邊可以改成主決議可以可以齁好那80案改主決議好文字趕快寫80案改主決議是怎樣誰說動一把79案林淑芬委員在現場79案好79案你現在要重新對那個林委員好那林委員是那個淑芬委員
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transcript.whisperx[420].text 七十九案是我們是建議改動節一百萬這個不行跟委員報告有關委員關心我們PFAS的飲用水的水質標準的訂定我們在禮拜一的時候已經正式公告了禮拜一的時候正式公告11月25修正
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transcript.whisperx[423].text 這樣子啊,你這一些期程規劃還有你這個完整的監測計畫你說明年要開始做那我要了解除了液管的物質外應監測自然水體中是否還有其他沒有被規範的或尚未被監測的這個PFAS所以這個東西我不能夠只凍結100萬
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transcript.whisperx[424].text 四億六千萬的十分之一才是你們的四億六千萬的十分之一是4650萬
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transcript.whisperx[425].text 四千六百五十萬我們凍結一千萬你覺得太多那我們就凍結五百萬四千六百五十萬我們凍結六百五十萬好了那五百好了五百
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transcript.whisperx[428].text 五百萬是不是兩百萬讓我們可以啟動沒有辦法剛才講的那個未知的物質的部分我們正在討論用TOF的項目去做總有機佛的對啦你這些東西具體說明然後到我們這裡來讓我們滿意了就讓你解凍了經同意就讓你解凍了這些東西你在這裡講一講跟事後預算都讓你過了你到時候沒有做我們也沒辦法
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transcript.whisperx[431].text 對呀,那有的動500,有的動...那全部都動500好了啦。 是。 可以。 就相同科目就全部都動500。 是。 那相同... 那83也是嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[432].text 八三主席八三是有關於這個醫院的沸水排放的部分謝謝環境部在今年的時候將這個環境尤其跟醫院排沸水相關的一些資料提供給大家做參考非常感謝不過這個對醫院來講他們需要一點時間來因應所以我們在這個部分是希望能夠有更好的這個會議的討論意見
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transcript.whisperx[433].text 還有把這個回顧的說明也提供給大家做來做參考所以這部分我們是希望在凍結這個有限的費用之下環境部繼續來處理那同意併案辦理那也可以科目也可以自行調整好以上沒問題謝謝委員謝謝好那那現在是79、80、81、82、83你現在80沒有80組決議那你現在要怎麼動
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transcript.whisperx[434].text 七九八一八二八三病動五百萬病案凍結五百萬七九八一八二八三
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transcript.whisperx[437].text 委員有簽嗎?沒有?沒有?好那86案先保留87案87案我們先後跟廖委員做了相關的溝通跟說明那委員已經簽名改凍結200案然後作案報告改書面報告可併案
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transcript.whisperx[439].text 九十案跟委員辦公室溝通之後委員以簽名改凍結一百萬改三個月提書面報告可併案九十案凍結一百萬九十一案九十一案我要凍結五百萬這個
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transcript.whisperx[440].text 關於環境部的整治,現在環境部還要繼續加油因為像這個北港溪是污染越來越嚴重並沒有這個有效的改善所以你們必須提出你們的方案到底這種河川污染我覺得這個不能是讓它繼續去惡化那你們要更有
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transcript.whisperx[442].text 合會建議委員凍結少一點因為這個有關河川污染的整治如果只看短期的變化沒辦法反應長期的一個改善情形其實相較於更早之前的一個監測的結果基本上是有很明顯的改善這3年來都沒有改善對在以今年7月的監測結果109到123年能算是短期嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[444].text 而支持縣市政府的一個整治的需要。 所以建議是不是可以改動少一點?
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transcript.whisperx[445].text 那是下一層的科目會動到我們這個具體的這個業務費的執行。 這樣你們才有動力好好的改善。 我們一直都很有動力。 可以少一點點嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[446].text 好,那就動200萬好,謝謝委員謝謝好,91案動200萬92案92案經溝通之後委員已簽名改動決100萬然後提書面報告好,92案動100萬好,林委員
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transcript.whisperx[447].text 那個9292案我還是要說明一下因為我們經常去質詢就是我們明年這個法要上路它罰的也蠻重的可是我們偏鄉地區它的整個污水的樣態跟它整個污水的一個基礎工程
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transcript.whisperx[448].text 二、繼續審查環境部
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transcript.whisperx[449].text 我們了解因為有關我們明年3月1號開始會上路的這個露營場的一個相關的管理我們初期會來加強這個相關的輔導然後呢會以前初期的一個管理查核我們會以輔導為主
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transcript.whisperx[450].text 九十二案就是凍結一百萬,九十三案?
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transcript.whisperx[451].text 報告召委,我們有九十二案這上面的相關的併案可不可以做一併的說明?
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transcript.whisperx[453].text 主案號是85案。 93案的話我們跟經過溝通之後委員以簽名同意併案。
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transcript.whisperx[454].text 沒有同意喔我91案就是動200這單獨的科目為什麼是病剛剛已經從500降到200我沒有同意喔為什麼念那麼快我沒有要跟楊耀的病我們這邊看錯了不好意思不要亂念85878990沒有91
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transcript.whisperx[455].text 沒有91喔沒有91還有92沒有91是對不要亂寫再講一次好不好85878587899092就是合併凍結100萬是對100
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transcript.whisperx[456].text 八十一是凍兩百萬阿?
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transcript.whisperx[457].text 八七是兩百,對。所以合併凍結兩百。 八七是?
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transcript.whisperx[458].text 合併凍結兩百。 八七是合併凍結兩百?
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transcript.whisperx[459].text 八七是兩百萬。 所以他合併凍只能凍兩百。 對啊,那你就全部合併凍兩百?
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transcript.whisperx[460].text 是,是。九十一案王委員另外凍兩百。 好。 謝謝。 那現在呢?
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transcript.whisperx[461].text 現在就是八五。 好。
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transcript.whisperx[462].text 第85案、第87案、第89案、第90案、第92案合併動200萬。 93案主席,對不起,剛剛我沒有念到86。
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transcript.whisperx[463].text 八十六案一併就是動兩百因為九十三案呢?
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transcript.whisperx[464].text 邱委員
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transcript.whisperx[466].text 同意併案就跟你現在好了現在是9393跟9494要併那一併先討論一下好94案王委員提案那我們是建議併93案合併動100萬王委員這有關
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transcript.whisperx[467].text 我的要自己獨立就是以用水塑膠為例這個我覺得是蠻重要的所以你們應該要好好去檢測因為又涉及到民生用水的部分所以我這一案我要自己動一百萬
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transcript.whisperx[468].text 各位委員報告我們這個科目向下只有900多萬而已那我們初期就要開始開在初期的案子就要開始開啟動年初就要啟動那我們是覺得這樣子的凍結數對我們業務的工作推動會有影響
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transcript.whisperx[469].text 新興污染物相關篩檢檢測管理的辦法我們會跟自來水公司還有國環業做相關的一些合作所以這個有關塑膠微粒的一個查核在新興污染物的這個相關的一個篩檢裡面它本來就是一個我們關注的一個項目我們有持續在監測中
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transcript.whisperx[470].text 那就跟委員會報告之後就可以解凍了,這還好吧?
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transcript.whisperx[471].text 是,可不可以數目金額少一點?
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transcript.whisperx[472].text 就100萬還要少?
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transcript.whisperx[473].text 反正我這邊就100萬了。 邱振興委員他交代就跟王一平一起啦。 你要講什麼?
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transcript.whisperx[474].text 你要說服?
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transcript.whisperx[475].text 我不曉得你要講什麼?
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transcript.whisperx[476].text 那瞭解就是93939494主號是94案好那就93並94齁就是凍結100萬好好95案
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transcript.whisperx[477].text 報告委員會95 盧仙玉委員已經簽名改動兩百萬提示面報告我們居住的環境大概都在畜牧業的地方有馬家鄉的法灣還有長治百合就是長治鄉的長治百合
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transcript.whisperx[478].text 二、繼續審查環境部主管預算案關於環境部主管預算案關於環境部主管
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transcript.whisperx[480].text 九十五萬就是改動
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transcript.whisperx[481].text 二百萬九十六案九十七案有跟蘇慶賢處委員辦公室溝通改動一百萬
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transcript.whisperx[482].text 這個齁全國54條河川嘛主要河川還是次要河川五四條是主要跟次要都對都包括在裡面那裡面的水啦什麼監測裡面是有在做吧對對有在做嗎對那要落實啦因為河川汙染也是很嚴重啊我們做河川水庫還有地下水都我們做地下水有做地下水也做謝謝委員
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transcript.whisperx[483].text 97案委員已經簽名同意改動100萬年97案改動100萬98案改動100萬年委員已經簽名98案改動100萬99案改動100萬年委員已經簽名99案改動100萬100案
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transcript.whisperx[484].text 一百案是劉建國劉委員的提案那有跟委員辦公室溝通建議改動一百萬但是委員這邊我們還沒看到還沒取得委員的簽名劉委員
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transcript.whisperx[485].text 我這個三節跟凍結理由寫得很清楚啦當然你有跟我們報告室做溝通不曉得溝通到怎麼樣我當然也可以並按去處理啦就凍多少就凍多少我沒有意見啦不過像剛剛
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transcript.whisperx[486].text 86案雖然都可以同意一併來處理,但是有時候我是特別要求說,像我的這個動情或煽情的理由有跟其他委員不一樣,所以那個可能說明,要再給我們一份書面的說明好不好,就像下雪道,我們那個地方到現在才5%,那你們未來的規劃怎麼樣,如何去落實,有進展嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[487].text 一百案這個是我們到現在沒有辦法達到三個A這個有點實在是你要不要說明一下簡單說明一下根委員報告因為三個A其實有它的困難度還是並不是網站去取得三個A困難而是三個A因為
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transcript.whisperx[488].text 二、繼續審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部主管.一、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等4家財團法人1、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等2、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等2、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等2、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等2、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等2、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等2、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等2、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等2、繼續�
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transcript.whisperx[489].text 這段時間我們會對NASA的成果還是會再跟學者專家再進一步討論然後逐步來分析那也跟委員報告就是我們明年密集觀測的範圍會把銀加藍加進去以上報告好謝謝主席就病案啦我們就病案病案處理就好
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transcript.whisperx[490].text 好那請示委員我們是不是可以通過我們併99案然後動100萬然後提書面報告可以啦可以好謝謝委員好那100案就是凍結100萬併99案齁動100萬好那101案101案已經改組結議委員已經簽名
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transcript.whisperx[491].text 好,那101案就是改組決議那以下組決議102102的提案委員是陳金輝委員那這個組決議是做文字修正委員已經簽名了好,那102案就是做文字修正通過103案
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transcript.whisperx[492].text 我可以補充說明嗎,趙委?
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transcript.whisperx[493].text 好,可以。 好,謝謝。 這個今年4月的時候那上一任那個部長薛部長的時候有做了一個這個噪音管制的一個專案報告那一次我有來很認真的看了一下那當時候呢部長的簡報裡面說環境部要開始推動這個排氣管噪音認證制度那這個很重要我們也全力支持因為在各都會區的這個噪音公害
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transcript.whisperx[494].text ﹏﹏﹏
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transcript.whisperx[495].text 那當然環境部管的可能是從這個排氣管的噪音認證制度開始因為你必須要跟交通部因為交通部也修了這個道交管理條例那要來納管這個所謂的這個排氣管的一個登記如果你有變更的話就必須要登記而且必須要檢驗那交通部也改了但是呢從源頭管理的時候我記得4月份有要求環境部要跟經濟部
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transcript.whisperx[496].text 因為呢產品的製造誰管在經濟部那到目前為止環境部給我的任何報告裡面字字片語都沒有跟經濟部
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transcript.whisperx[497].text 有話部會的聯繫或開會所謂的源頭管理那經濟部那邊的作為是什麼因為呢這會牽涉到這個環境部你未來的納管跟登錄系統會牽連到交通部的這個處罰條例所以我們要解決問題嘛要納管那要做就要做得好不要做半套這是第一個所以在我的這個主決議裡面我有要求那第二個
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transcript.whisperx[498].text 我必須要跟部長說部長你要排氣管的噪音認證制度要建立的話你們現在是從114年1月1號開始啦我到現在今天啦我上網都還可以查到蝦皮的這個網站上面他在告訴你什麼我這個排氣管大小聲都還可以調警察來抓我也不怕
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transcript.whisperx[499].text 這你怎麼管?你有要求他來認證嗎?有要求他來登錄嗎?你沒辦法管而且我看到目前為止也沒有管
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transcript.whisperx[500].text 那這樣子這個所謂的排氣管的噪音認證制度不是破功嗎?所以部長這個就是我拜託為什麼今天特地來要寫這個組決議因為噪音公害是大家最埋怨的一個城市裡面的一個公害問題其實現在也不是只有這個城市啦
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transcript.whisperx[501].text 議員議員議員
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transcript.whisperx[502].text 網路上像現在都還在賣而且還挑戰公權力喔可調式排氣管大小聲可調不用怕警察他還公開這樣子給你寫這要怎麼辦部長
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transcript.whisperx[503].text 委員這個問題委員再把資料給我我會跟這個速發部來協調要把這個嚴格下架現在有一些機制了吼那第二個是委員那個部分跟交通部的合作跟經濟部的合作我等一下請市長回答那市長也跟委員報告其實我們最近接觸到的是很多人抱怨公車公車的那個左轉右轉煞停也是70幾分貝所以這個我們也會來協調來處理來市長
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transcript.whisperx[504].text 市長謝謝委員在提點這一塊的內容我們之前跟包括經濟部和交通部其實這個持續的來溝通那因為有一些法規要怎麼樣接接在哪一個地方好像比方講他改不改這是我們環保法規大概沒有辦法處理掉他改或是不改
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transcript.whisperx[505].text 稍後會否影響車輛安全?
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transcript.whisperx[506].text 改了以後會否影響車輛安全?
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transcript.whisperx[507].text 這純粹是交通問題。 改了以後會否影響車輛安全?
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transcript.whisperx[508].text 這純粹是交通問題。 生意會否被超標?
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transcript.whisperx[509].text 那是我們這邊要來處理。 生意會否被超標?
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transcript.whisperx[510].text 那是我們這邊要來處理。 一種就是說改了以後即便合格他駕駛行為不當,一樣會超標。 所以這裡面有蠻多很複雜的環節。 我們在想辦法看有沒有什麼方式再來處理。
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transcript.whisperx[511].text 我是建議啦上次專案報告的時候我有建議你們吼像那個經濟部那邊除了跟產發署他們了解產業你大間公司你一定關得到因為他有公司登記他有工廠的登記但是呢有一些是管不到的比如說他是非常小型微型的現在到處都看得到所謂的個人工作室那這個到底改管
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transcript.whisperx[512].text 獲不獲法我覺得這個真的要用力宣導啊那還有有沒有什麼的因應機制我們現在是在後端喔如果你在道路行駛上汽機車變成超過分貝你才說那是噪音是你環境部的職責或是地方環保局
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transcript.whisperx[513].text 好,謝謝委員長。
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transcript.whisperx[514].text 所以我的主決意你們好像有說要調整文字是不是?我會調一下。我朝這個方向去努力。那這個是不是文字修正過之後然後再送過來?先這樣子就照
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transcript.whisperx[515].text 就照文字修正通過。好。那104案?
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transcript.whisperx[516].text 遵照辦理。好。通過。105案?
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transcript.whisperx[517].text 遵照辦理。
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transcript.whisperx[518].text 報告委員遵照辦理105遵照辦理106遵照辦理107遵照辦理108遵照辦理109
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transcript.whisperx[519].text 這邊有跟委員溝通是修正文字後,那委員同意也簽名了。好,那就照文字修正後通過110案。 遵照辦理。 好,通過111案。 遵照辦理。 好,通過112案。 遵照辦理。 好,通過113案。 113案委員辦公室以測案。 是。 欸?
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transcript.whisperx[520].text 113案及114案都測案。
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transcript.whisperx[521].text 好那那因為已經12點多了哈我們中午先休息到1點好讓大家休息一下哈那1點哈1點半喔好那就好好那就呃休息到1點半我們1點半再繼續開會好休息到1點半
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transcript.whisperx[523].text 二、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人114年度二天一次會議中央政府總預算案關於環境部主管、基金預算案關於環境部主管、基金預算案關於環境部主管、基金預算案關於環境部主管、基金預算案關於環境部主管、基金預算案關於環境部主管、基金預算案
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transcript.whisperx[524].text 二、繼續審查環境部主管預算案關於環境部主管委員會第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管二、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環
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transcript.whisperx[528].text 我明天再看啊。要問總署啊。晚一點喔。3點開始再看啊。因為剛才國連說他們說剩下170啊。對啊。可要問總署啊。晚一點。晚一點。我明天再來啊。你看他就馬上去處理這個這個這個然後就照相就馬上就知道說哪個人。你有這個人力去。我有啊。啊我的是沒有拿到提案單啊。
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transcript.whisperx[529].text 議員議員議員議員
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transcript.whisperx[530].text 好繼續開會哈那現在我們進行到115案
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transcript.whisperx[531].text 115案是黃委員提案那以簽名就是凍結改凍結100萬元然後科目可以調整可併案好那好115案凍結100萬116案116案是黃委員提王振旭委員提案那以簽名那凍結10萬元然後科目可調整可併案
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transcript.whisperx[536].text 一二一案一二一案是王玉明委員提案吼那我們溝通是改凍結一百萬元可併案那麼科目可調整不過王委員還沒有簽名好那我們就先保留一百二十二案一二二案是陳金輝委員提案吼那改組決議
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transcript.whisperx[537].text 然後文字修正提書面報告那陳委員已經簽名好122案改組決議123案123案是林月琴委員提案那同意改凍結20萬元提書面報告那麼可併案那委員已簽名好123案凍結20萬元124案
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transcript.whisperx[538].text 一二四案是陳委員提案就是改這個凍結100萬元然後提書面報告那委員有簽名那不曉得我們這個陳委員我們需不需要再做說明
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transcript.whisperx[539].text 這個案子是就是說委員是關心我們在近鄰科技計畫裡面的工作那委員要求我們必須要提出這個成本效益然後這個想比較更詳細的每一項計畫的這個資料那我們這個因為這個最主要就是用在這個近鄰路徑
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transcript.whisperx[540].text 還有這個產品排放強度就是對接未來這個台版西邊的這些相關的工作那委員要求我們提出成本效益的分析報告我們同意就是在這個這個凍結期間裡面去做說明好
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transcript.whisperx[541].text 那就是你的說明要包括就是因為原來過於簡單嘛這經費也不算少你要提出這個具體的這個成本效益這個分析報告是就這個東西就是我們要去做事然後他的
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transcript.whisperx[542].text ﹝廣告﹞
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transcript.whisperx[543].text 二、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人114年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部主管預算
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transcript.whisperx[548].text 第37案科目調整為7月後遍遷業務凍結100萬補充宣告
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transcript.whisperx[549].text 134案保留134案134案是參議員提案就是改動解120萬元科目調整為氣候變遷業務委員已經簽名
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transcript.whisperx[550].text 委員簽名,這個134委員簽了,好,那就凍結120萬,135案135案是盧憲一委員提案,那麼改凍結100萬元提書面報告,那委員有簽名,那不曉得盧委員現場135案凍結100萬
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transcript.whisperx[551].text 一二七跟一三八因為吳委員等下他來還是不是先保留一二七還有一二三那個剛好我還沒到我還是要對於剛剛跟你們協商沒有之前協商沒有意見可是我覺得還是要去提醒齁就你二零二五年的那個減碳目標
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transcript.whisperx[553].text 有請哪些團體參與?公民團體就很在意這件事情,那我想問一下你會邀哪些公民團體參與嗎?我跟委員報告就是我們在做那個第三期階段管制目標現在預計是希望在今年年底提出來那接下來在明年的時候我們這個就要開公聽會那開公聽會的時候我們對相關的這些公民團體我們都會就是等於說公開然後只要願意參加的都可以來參加那我們會事先廣發通知
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transcript.whisperx[554].text 希望讓團體都知道不要而且不要盡量不要在要開會前的一天或兩天才告知常常公民團體會跟我們反映這樣的事情就是說他們根本就來不及能夠知道你們要開會然後要參與這樣是跟我們報告我們這個公聽會的話依法要在一個月前就是先上網公開然後我們也會至少一個星期以前發開會通知單
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transcript.whisperx[555].text 好謝謝謝謝委員那你127案還要先保留嗎因為那個吳委員剛才太快吳委員他等一下已經要過來了好那127案先保留啦等一下等吳委員好等138也是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[557].text 議員會議員會議員會
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transcript.whisperx[558].text 139案139案是邱政軍委員提案那初步溝通是改為那個主決議那麼但是委員還沒有簽名好那就先保留140案140案是劉建國委員提案那初步溝通就是動結100萬元然後可併案不過劉委員還沒有簽名好那140案也先保留141案
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transcript.whisperx[560].text 一、三、九、一、四、二、一、四、七都同意改組決議一、三、九改組決議嗎?就改組決議不凍結那一、四、二也改組決議
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transcript.whisperx[561].text 143案是0月請委員提案。那麼我們溝通就是同意改為主決議然後3個月內提書面報告那委員已簽名。好143案改主決議144案0委員
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transcript.whisperx[563].text 那接下來就是說提自主減量計劃的話那就由環境部跟經濟部會組成這個審查小組來進行審查。 那你們看看報告是不是需要合格的記事來做簽證?他們提的這些排放量的這些資料呢第一關是說要經過第三方的查驗那我們環境部這邊也會進行這個排放量的這個查核。 那這個第三方的那個是誰可以認可?
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transcript.whisperx[564].text 一、四、三案改成主決議。
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transcript.whisperx[565].text 144案曾經會委員提案改凍結100萬元可併案委員已簽名144案凍結100萬145案曾經會委員提案改組決議改書面報告委員已簽名145案改成組決議146案廖偉祥委員提案改凍結300萬元可併案委員已簽名
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transcript.whisperx[566].text 所以146案是凍結300萬對好147案147案是邱政軍委員提案那我們溝通是初步是同意改為主決議然後兩個月內提書面報告那不曉得是不是委員是還沒有簽名那是不是可以同意剛剛有對剛剛就同意嘛好那就147案是改成主決議
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transcript.whisperx[567].text 148案是廖偉強委員提案,改成主決議。兩個月內提書面報告,委員已簽名。 149案是林月琴及吳立華委員提案,改成凍結100萬元,提書面報告。 149案先保留。
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transcript.whisperx[568].text 一五零案是陳敬輝委員提案改組決議然後兩個月內提書面報告委員已簽名一五零案改組決議一五一案是盧憲伊委員提案改組決議那委員已簽名
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transcript.whisperx[569].text 一五一案改主決議一五二案秋政軍委員提案改凍結五十萬元可併案以簽名一五二案改凍結五十萬一五三案是陳金輝委員提案這個是主決議我們改兩個月提書面報告委員以簽名一五三案就照這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[570].text 154案154案劉建國委員提案那我們有建議文字修正不過劉委員還沒有簽名那154案先保留155案155案邱政軍委員提案那文字修正那委員已簽名好那就照文字修正通過156案156案邱政軍委員提案那文字修正然後委員已簽名好那156案就照文字修正通過157案
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transcript.whisperx[572].text 一五九案,姚委員這邊是同意改凍結一百萬可併案,同時已經簽名。一五九案凍結一百萬,一六零案。一六零是土委員這邊是介意可以改凍結一千萬,同時是改為三個月提出報告,不過委員這邊還沒有簽名。
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transcript.whisperx[573].text 那就凍結一千萬嘛。 是是,謝謝委員。好,160案凍結一千萬元。那是不是可以請示主席就是我們這個158、159、160可以來併案凍結一千萬元。 158、159、160那用就是都凍結一千萬。 是是,那主案是用158號,158案。委員可以嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[574].text 好。 謝謝委員。 好。
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transcript.whisperx[575].text 161案161案改組決議162案改動結5%改為3個月提書面報告委員
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transcript.whisperx[576].text 162 162 是請委員可以同意我們改凍結5%有 昨天當我來跟本席說明了齁同意凍結5%謝謝委員好那162案就是凍結5%然後5%齁
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transcript.whisperx[577].text 163案163案163案
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transcript.whisperx[578].text 164案陳昭芝委員建議改動捷50萬元可不可調整可併案委員簽名
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transcript.whisperx[579].text 164案改凍結50萬165案165案改主決議166案166案166案166案166案166案166案166案166案166案166案166案166
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transcript.whisperx[580].text 嗯那就先保留是好好166案先保留167案那167案是林委員這邊呢那我們是有跟委員這邊溝通那會改這個提案的內容那呃呃是請委員可以支持呃改凍結少一點好林委員好可以凍少一點齁3000萬改2000萬那修正內容有跟你們講過嗎是你現在就可以念出來還是
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transcript.whisperx[581].text 我這邊來唸出來就直接唸出來照我們原先談的就可以稍微等一下我那張那張紅色的
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transcript.whisperx[582].text 第三段先提案凍結環境部資源選署預算2000萬元代環境部提出進入公共縫納爐減量
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transcript.whisperx[583].text 事業配期入公共縫納爐減量強化跨區垃圾調度檢討因應全球塑膠公約提出擴大公用塑膠袋管制對象及擴大兩用袋適用的施行評估並向立院委員會提出算案報告後均同意使得到動之。
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transcript.whisperx[584].text 議員可以同意是書面報告嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[585].text 同意是書面嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[586].text 這我們都會做啦。 這兩天也跟委員這邊有提出了詳細的報告。
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transcript.whisperx[587].text 讀書書面經同意後指的動之好沒關係因為還是需要同意後指的動之是謝謝委員好那167案就是改凍結2000萬好168案好168案
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transcript.whisperx[588].text 168案這邊呢王偉這邊呢同意同意是同意動100那題書面報告可並案
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transcript.whisperx[590].text 五百萬五百萬五百萬好那169案就是改凍結五百萬好
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transcript.whisperx[591].text 一七零一七零案就是改凍結一百萬一七一案一七一案這邊呢所有人這邊呢是同意改凍結一百萬元那科目可調整那提書面報告
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transcript.whisperx[592].text 議案改動節100萬議案改動節100萬172案
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transcript.whisperx[594].text 一七四案這邊所有人這邊同意改凍結一百萬元那已經簽名了一七五案這邊所有人這邊同意改凍結一百萬元那也簽名了一七五案凍結一百萬一七六案
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transcript.whisperx[595].text 委員這邊那我是不是可以先就是建議就是前面幾個案子呢可以來合併凍結建議171、172173、174、175177、178、181併案那主案號是175案那合併凍結200萬元171到175以及177、178、181
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transcript.whisperx[596].text 那就171、172、173、174、175、177、178 並案181 還有181 是 181 那主案 我這裡沒有並案喔 178 181 辦等一下好了啦 那個先慢著好了 就先從那個
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transcript.whisperx[598].text 176案林委員這邊是初步同意改為主決議不過還沒有簽名林委員這邊還是要提醒就我想問一下你過去的檢索策略是不是會繼續執行
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transcript.whisperx[599].text 是我們這邊會議繼續推動那檢証政策是我們一直是要來推動的地方那特別是說最近說到公約那大家全國國際上也都在討論那上次我有問過就是說我們檢証目前國際方向跟我們我國的那個社會文化習慣根本就是會互相衝突你們怎麼來解決這個問題
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transcript.whisperx[600].text 我還是希望速度可以加快啦那我同意那個啦 主決議
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transcript.whisperx[601].text 好,謝謝委員好,176案改組決議177案那177案這邊委員是同意修正文字那改為三個月提書人報告那委員這邊還沒有簽名那請委員支持林委員這邊齁
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transcript.whisperx[602].text 除了垃圾減量除了民眾怎麼去丟垃圾要切記還有根據當然不要希望事實上是隨代徵收可是現在隨費徵收跟隨代徵收的民眾所負擔的成本是不是可以提供一些數據根本就是沒有看到這樣的數據隨代徵收那些是有意推動的可是民眾不知情的話還有數據
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transcript.whisperx[603].text 二、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人二、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人二、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環
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transcript.whisperx[604].text 一七七案是凍結十萬好一七八案
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transcript.whisperx[605].text 第178案是陳委員這邊那我們是建議改凍結200萬客戶可調整那委員這邊還沒有簽名陳委員這邊簽名
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transcript.whisperx[606].text 我還沒有簽名因為這個循環杯的問題在於成本的部分成本部分就是在於運送跟這個清潔部分那我不曉得就是這個循環杯如果環境部真的鼓勵要使用的話這個部分可能要幫業者想辦法去協助他們解決這個高成本的問題
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transcript.whisperx[607].text 是。 那有沒有這個相關的這個計畫?
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transcript.whisperx[608].text 我原來重點是這樣。 就希望你們看能不能循環杯怎麼讓它普及嘛。 是。 現在幾乎只有大型像星巴克他們做得到啊。 好。 那循環杯是一個我們要來推動的一個重要工作。 那我們有從幾個地方來降低業者的成本。 包括說是不是可以讓他把這個規格盡量可以統一化。
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transcript.whisperx[609].text 公務及基金預算案公務及基金預算案公務及基金預算案公務及基金預算案公務及基金預算
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transcript.whisperx[610].text 這是會再結合我們就是現在因為它有幾個系統那所以我們會把這個系統可以來結合那讓他們可以有一些這個效率化的一個運送的一個系統的建立那這樣可以減少成本
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transcript.whisperx[611].text 我們是給你3個月內時間就是寫出更具體你現在講的是已經在做的部分我們都覺得可以再做的更多嘛你在3個月內可以寫清楚你們未來要繼續做的部分那未來要繼續做包括說把一些運動賽事或者是電影院比較這個大型的集中場這是未來的嗎過去有做但是因為要把這個面向擴大
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transcript.whisperx[612].text 我希望你們在三個月後交出來的那個報告是要有更具體的做法目前這個我目前最初是要凍結百分之二十嘛百分之二十你們現在想法建議凍結兩百萬元那是不是可以少一點兩百萬才算一個百分之一
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transcript.whisperx[613].text 委員這邊因為是不是說可以在這個科目上面可以上一層那就不要就是動到資源循環及廢棄管理那不要動到這個對業務費就可以了那下面的委員辦費就不要了就是說業務費我們現在先凍結1%大概我們就把它寫成200萬了總共是2億多嘛2億出頭那是200萬但是3個月後那個報告一定要有進度不要在原來的基礎上就是說應該有新的方向跟做法好嗎
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transcript.whisperx[614].text 那未來的報告也要經過同意之後才能開始凍結這個凍結的兩百萬。那我們一定會寫出未來的做法,那不會只有現在這些部分。好,所以一期辦案是同意凍結,科目要調整。不是,科目不改,因為數量,我們已經從原來20%降到兩百萬,但是那個報告也是要經過我們同意才能夠去凍結。已經從4千萬降到兩百萬。
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transcript.whisperx[615].text 預算科目維持因為已經降了大概降了百分之二十降了二十倍了預算科目是不是到業務費到現在的位置就是委判費就是凍結兩百萬這樣有問題嗎?可以嗎?沒有問題兩百萬然後你們把這個報告交出來就可以解凍嘛好好好
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transcript.whisperx[616].text 所以就是科目沒有做調整啊?那就是凍結200萬那科目沒有做調整喔?那剛剛我重新再宣告一次就是剛剛在那個170齁劉建國委員那剛剛有說沒有簽名對對對所以165也錯了對那劉委員你要先現在是170還有
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transcript.whisperx[617].text 一六五有簽有在主席臺這邊吼那現在是一七零沒有簽吼所以劉委員剛好進來那我們是不是先那個一七零吼還是要先拨留沒有沒有沒有沒有動一百對
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transcript.whisperx[618].text 是不是行政單位再說明一次因為剛剛剛剛你們說那個劉委員有簽嗎對對對對那現在劉委員進來那你們是不是先說明一下那我跟著一下那剛跟委員這個說明就是希望這個案子可以改凍結100萬元那不要刪減
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transcript.whisperx[619].text 好,那170案就是改凍結100萬 主席這邊我剛剛有一個更正165萬 有簽名但是它是改凍結50萬元 那剛剛是說改組決議
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transcript.whisperx[620].text 所以現在是改凍結50萬元他有簽是簽凍結50萬那我重新宣告就165案是凍結50萬那170案是凍結100萬接下來179案179案是陳金威委員我們是建議他改組決議那委員這邊有簽名了
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transcript.whisperx[621].text 有簽名吼?好那179案改組決議180案180案呢呃陳委員這邊呢是改組決議吼那已經簽名了180案改組決議181案181案這邊呃陳昭之委員這邊呢是呃改凍結100萬元那課不調整那改為書面報告那已經簽名了
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transcript.whisperx[622].text 181案凍結100萬182案182案邱振軍委員這邊是我們有跟他溝通是改凍結100萬元那委員這邊有簽名了182案凍結100萬183案
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transcript.whisperx[623].text 183案這邊邱委員這邊我們跟他溝通是同意改凍結100萬元那委員這邊有簽名了好183案凍結100萬184案184案是邱委員這邊呢那是同意改凍結100萬元那委員這邊有簽名了
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transcript.whisperx[625].text 187案187案是邱政軍委員這邊那是同意改凍結100萬元那委員這邊已經簽名187案凍結100萬188案這邊是不是可以有些就是病案的建議就是在182、183、184、187案病案那主案號是182案
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transcript.whisperx[626].text 182183184187病案病案就是凍結100萬188案
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transcript.whisperx[627].text 188案這邊盧委員這邊是同意改為主決議那並且是提三個月提書面報告委員這邊有簽名了188案改主決議189案189案陳昭芝委員這邊呢是同意改凍結一千萬元那科目可調整可併案那委員這邊有簽名了
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transcript.whisperx[628].text 189案凍結1000萬190案190案是劉建國委這邊那這邊是跟委員溝通那是建議他可以改凍結100萬元劉委員你建議我改凍結100那你答應3案答應凍結1000萬
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transcript.whisperx[629].text 哦,你的差別待遇,如處處明顯。顯然是欺人太甚。你這樣都不會布好藝術,你還講得出來。我都受寵肉精了。
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transcript.whisperx[630].text 我提案的理由,我原本你跟我講是想說凍結就算了齁,連算都不給你刪了。也已經答應了,你剛才跟我硬這樣。我這個部分是彭部長還沒有來之後,之前我已經有特別要求說SRF你必須要全面去做盤點嘛,要去做整個你未來的這樣的一個處理的一個方針要給委員會做參考嘛。對不對,是前部長就講了喔。
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transcript.whisperx[631].text 是不是合併就189190是不是合併動1000?
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transcript.whisperx[632].text 我合併,如果我答應合併,這樣對他也不好意思啊。因為他只是希望我動100而已啊。我跟他,跟陳偉合併就批他太多啊。都400了啊。我這個要懲罰啦。我可以1000跟陳偉演併在一起啦。但是那個3錢,跟他3個50萬啦。
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transcript.whisperx[633].text 一九零案就是檢列五十萬那改凍結那還要凍結病案凍結一千萬主案是一六七一八九
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transcript.whisperx[634].text 對科目不一樣所以所以科目要做做調整對所以現在是以哪一個案為主那就不要病不要不要病好了不要病不要病不要病你那個
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transcript.whisperx[635].text 所以那個190案是要檢列50然後凍結1000喔?因為他原案子是凍結100啦所以就是那個要併案所以那個劉委員
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transcript.whisperx[636].text 不是啦,那個,我知道啦,陳委員是在這個會期管理向下的業務會委辦會嘛,他是要動一千萬嘛,對不對?我這邊也是在這個資源循環系會期管理的循環處理這個部分嘛,我原本是動一百嘛。
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transcript.whisperx[637].text 對阿因為你們後面的金額都是寫39、38所以我誤以為是一樣的金額阿怎麼會所以會那邊可以動1000我這邊就要動100喔是不同的我知道項目是不一樣阿所以就不要合併了阿照那個劉委員的可以嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[638].text 那190案就是動100萬沒有檢列
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transcript.whisperx[639].text 三個月提出,謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[640].text 好190案就是凍結100萬191案191案楊委員這邊同意改凍結100萬元那委員這邊有簽名了好191案凍結100萬192案19案陳靜安委員這邊同意改為主決議那已經簽名192案改主決議193案193案這邊王育文委員這邊是同意凍結200萬元已經簽有簽嗎
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transcript.whisperx[641].text 193案保留194案194案這邊是王委員這邊是同意動100這邊是動100元那科目可調整可併案100萬元194案凍結100萬
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transcript.whisperx[642].text 科目可調整?195案?195案,林委員這邊是要來修正文字。
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transcript.whisperx[643].text 就改為就是3個月要寫3個月好 林委員好 這邊還是要問就是根據你們回覆2025年的話全台22縣市每一個縣市至少都有一處市場商圈或夜市來全面限塑對嗎確定那何時執行這個部分我們在來推動它的一個市場的一個減塑的這個做法
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transcript.whisperx[644].text 那各縣市像以六都為例哪些是有可能的地點?像以六都來看的話哪些是比較有可能的地點?你們沒有初步的一些想像或規劃嗎?在市場檢縮這邊嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[645].text 市場商圈或夜市那你的六都你會要用哪些你針對六都他們會各提出一個那明年也會來擴大市場檢測的部分那我請他們來提出計畫剛剛有來跟我講說我有不同意併案還是維持原案的然後再麻煩你們三個月內也盡數給我們報告所以195案是主
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transcript.whisperx[646].text 195案就是凍結10萬196案陳穎委員是同意修正文字改為主決議196改組決議
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transcript.whisperx[647].text 一九七案。 盧委員這邊是同意改為主決議那有簽名了。 好一九七案改主決議一九八案。 一九八案陳昭芝委員這邊是我們是建議他可以改為主決議那可以來或者是凍結一百萬元那請委員這邊可以來陳委員因為環境部過去對SRF一直都沒有完整的規範但各地方政府他自己是
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transcript.whisperx[648].text 環保局自己去核發證照跟操作許可那這個爭議其實很大那臺中又有里長因為要揭發那個業者不法作為他進去前進去裡面去拍證他想說讓這個環保局可以開發不過最後他自己就被判刑了這也不是我們樂意見到的那目前環境部所這個允許的可以做SRF的原料還包括塑膠跟橡膠那這個跟歐盟的做法很不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[650].text 你們再想想看啦 有其他的國家的標準可以供我們供餐啦
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transcript.whisperx[651].text 那我們再來跟委員這邊報告那SRF這邊我們已經進行體檢了那有個體檢報告那年底呢也會針對就是像是你們只局部用發電好像是發電設備喔有排除欸說欸參考其他國家只用這個生物質但事實上源頭都還沒有整個處理啦所以SRF到底哪些東西可以稍微作為燃料棒這個裡面有塑膠跟橡膠欸怎麼辦啊這個要處理啊
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transcript.whisperx[652].text 委員提到的再生能源法案條例是能源署的法規但是環境部要訂一些方法讓其他地方可以去依循的因為你們才是專家
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transcript.whisperx[653].text 我們是把一些原來進焚化爐的這些高熱值把它拿出來,那把它這個均質化能夠去變原能源啦。 那我想委員這邊的提案...但是燒橡膠、燒塑膠我們大家都心裡有數嘛,這不是一個正確的做法。 是不是按照監禁國家的做法,我想這一題我就保留,謝謝。 好,那198案就先保留。
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transcript.whisperx[655].text 二、繼續審查環境部
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transcript.whisperx[656].text 好,那199案就照委員提案通過齁?一、二、兩百案、二零零案?兩百案是遵照辦理。好,通過。二零一案?二零一案這邊是...應該測案。測案,有...OK。戴維測案。有簽了嗎?沒有簽名。沒有簽。那就先保留。好。是嗎?對,好。
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transcript.whisperx[657].text 先保留嗎?沒有簽嗎?好那委員這邊是不是可以就是193案193案我們就是同意委員的同意委員的提案那我們就遵照辦理就不用保留凍結200凍結200啊他有簽嗎?因為我們是召喚通過OKOK好
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transcript.whisperx[658].text 好。那就193案就照委員的提案就是凍結200。好。OK。好。OK。好。那201。那201案就先保留。202案。202案主席這邊所提的案子已經改為主決議。那麼主席也簽名。好。202案改主決議。203案。
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transcript.whisperx[670].text 校序行政院指定我們列管以後我們跟地方環保局稽查現在已經有相當多的校序鋼瓶還有ISOTANK
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transcript.whisperx[672].text 然後等到行政訴訟結束以後我們就會去處理那目前的處理是委託成大的環資中心那因為效期的處理他不是說類似這樣分化一下就處理完所以他會有一個處理量的一個實測
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transcript.whisperx[674].text 那就10%加報告可以嗎?10%?
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transcript.whisperx[675].text 包委員我們能不能凍結數少一些?因為10%的話就會有1800多萬。 200萬加報告。 好,200萬加報告。 謝謝委員。 200萬加書面報告。 謝謝委員。 219案就是凍結200萬加書面報告。220案
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transcript.whisperx[684].text 二二五案二二五王偉仁這邊改組決議也簽名是那這一部分當然過去這四年來看起來針對鼓勵的部分會有達到一定的效果只是怕後來又變成大拜拜一樣只是來大家互相評審就非常可惜所以組決議裡面我們就做一些文字上的更動麻煩蘇理這邊繼續努力把這個事情做得更好
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transcript.whisperx[691].text 這個範圍很廣我也理解啦我有這樣背但是那你希望我怎麼處理呢我沒有建議委員那凍結數呢凍結300萬元可以嗎因為最重要是應該是那個書面報告跟委員報告清楚啦那這部分我們報告會來把它整理的清楚來給委員這邊那凍結數能不能就是300萬元那這個報告你
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transcript.whisperx[692].text bedingt我們的期待是有具體的從源頭的整個系統性的一個報告這個是3個月內但是在這個凍結數的部分你剛剛說是我們原來原來是建議給辦公室300萬元不過如果參照前面的是不是500萬元可以嗎因為你這個total有1億多欸total你是本年度預算說是1億2吧對對對對沒有錯
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transcript.whisperx[693].text 所以我們這是不是就因為凍結其實是可以有望解凍嘛對因為因為那個報告如果很具體執行長就說你執行長這個部分也能夠來做是如果三個月內或是更快就有這個報告那個也是也是可以考慮解凍嘛對所以目前你那個處長你是說我們是接凍結五百萬先解一五百萬好那先這樣做我們等待你的報告好先等待你的報告謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[694].text 在風險控管的下面的螢幕下提書面報告
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transcript.whisperx[695].text 五百萬提書面報告在風險控管的這個名目下好謝謝委員好那226案就是凍結五百萬那科目就自行調整對好那提書面報告是好227案227王委員這邊我們有建議凍結五百萬不過委員還沒簽名好227案保留228案228邱委員這邊改凍結一百萬元提書面報告那委員已經簽名
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transcript.whisperx[696].text 二二八案凍結一百萬二二九案二二九案陳委員這邊改組決議已經簽名二二九案改組決議二三零案二三零案是呃劉委員這邊改凍結呃一呃改凍結一呃就是凍結兩百萬就沒有改沒有改所以就同意同意是呃是OK好二三零案就是凍結兩百萬是二三一案
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transcript.whisperx[697].text 二三一案王委員這裡是欸凍結一百萬元我們就科目可調整那委員已經簽名二三一案凍結一百萬科目調整二三二案二三二案就是凍結一百萬我們順照辦理委員簽名二三二案凍結一百萬二三三案
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transcript.whisperx[698].text 二、三、三案召委這裡簽名然後改動一百萬可併案二、三、三案凍結一百萬二、三、四案陳委員這裡同意改組決議已經簽名二、三、四案
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transcript.whisperx[699].text 二、三、四案我講一下啦。就是說因為像你們114年度的這個聘用人員是比113年度要少5人嘛。但是整體那個預算編列是增加的。那你們那個報告我們在溝通的時候也沒有講得很清楚。所以有點有這個浮邊的嫌疑。所以你要現在講清楚嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[700].text 好,那我稍微講一下。第一個就是說我們確實有5個人。 有麥克風要對好。 好,有5位是離職了啦,就是說退休。不過我們人員的編制大概有多8個人。
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transcript.whisperx[701].text 另外就是說年度的調薪的這個部分有加進去在這個地方所以整體上面看起來會多一點點但是任何的組織的人員的編制的這個經費都是依照人事行政總署那你們調薪之後的整體的編列還是有比較多
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transcript.whisperx[702].text 公務及基金預算案關於環境部中央政府總預算案關於環境部中央政府總預算案
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transcript.whisperx[703].text 二三四案就是同意改組決議二三五案二三五案廖委員這裡初步同意改動30萬科目可調整書面報告可併案但是這個還沒有簽名那就先保留二三六案
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transcript.whisperx[704].text 二三六案書章偉這裏也是同意改動30萬圖書面報告還沒有簽名那二三六案也保留二三七案陳委員這裏改動20萬書面報告可並案簽名陳委員有簽嗎陳委員二三七案
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transcript.whisperx[705].text 二三八案陳中資委員這裡一樣有簽名文字修正改凍結百分之十專案報告改書面報告凍結百分之十
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transcript.whisperx[706].text 二、三、八案就是凍結百分之十書面報告文字修正二、三、九案王委員這裡的凍結我們遵照辦理凍結388,000元
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transcript.whisperx[707].text 二四零案二四零案這裡初步同意這一個修正文字改簡略五十萬動五十萬科目調整為環境管理零五向下的段垃圾處理計畫二期計畫改三個月內提書面報告還沒有簽名這是陳委員
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transcript.whisperx[708].text 嗯,好,那是你講的。那個我要先請教一下齁,就是說在我們那個焚化爐的設計主要要處理那個民生垃圾的部分,那但是臺中的部分,臺中焚化廠大概就是硬生生的把這個特定10%的那個燃燒的量把它讓給了這個失業廢棄物啦齁。
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transcript.whisperx[709].text 我上次質詢到現在其實已經過了很長的一段時間那特別因為嚴署長在備詢有特別講就是說我很在意的就是說你又講說澳洲跟美國也是一樣都是用這個塑膠膜打包然後再來是復塗的方式
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transcript.whisperx[710].text 因為你後來也沒有提供這個資料給我們去佐證你講的是對的我們也不知道你那天講的是對的還是怎麼樣所以你要說明一下嗎這裡是那原則上那個我們的垃圾處理還是期待是不要在掩埋場裡面佔用空間能夠把它盡量能資源化那這短期之內
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transcript.whisperx[711].text 或是這個整改期間有部分在這個野脈廠衛生野脈廠這個部分是我們努力的方向在行政院也有訂定三年計劃叫我們在三年內提供12億我是問那個澳洲跟美國的部分因為你就說這個也是他們人家也是這樣啊
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transcript.whisperx[712].text 是是是那委員我是不是容我後續提供給委員我已經容你到現在了請問還要容到什麼時候因為今天對啊我是等很久那個那一天有讓你們來辦公室說明你也沒有提供然後我們又又過了兩天嘛
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transcript.whisperx[713].text 從上次質詢一直到前天然後到今天我這邊我來處理是不是委員讓我們凍結然後保留我們盡快一個月內提報告對啊不然我們這個這案是不是可以回頭來看他他現在有時間你就把那個美國跟澳洲這個還是你講錯你就說你講錯了講對的話你就把資料給我我們詳細的報告一邊提供給委員
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transcript.whisperx[714].text 詳細的報告因為就是這兩個國家嘛我們有沒有跟人家一樣啊就這兩個有跟沒有而已OK那我們就凍結好不好我們一個月內提報告凍結嗎
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transcript.whisperx[715].text 我們現在還在進行當中嘛你如果資料過來了然後我看到這兩個國家也是這樣子做的話那我今天我們就可以簽名就可以處理啦。 那就先保留我都給你機會不要再等你一個月了。 那240案就先保留241案
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transcript.whisperx[716].text 二十一案這裡劉委員辦公室出復同意修正文字改動一百萬元可併案提書面報告還沒有簽名劉委員我要併來一個案
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transcript.whisperx[717].text 你提醒我要併哪一個案?這個謝謝劉委員那我們就不併案因為後面真的沒有可以併的謝謝劉委員
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transcript.whisperx[718].text 這個我助理是願意被你欺負但是我是有點看不下去一個提案你幾乎把所有的字改了一半以上這不曉得是你們太厲害了還是我助理太糟糕了然後還要併案然後現在要併案沒有案可以併
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transcript.whisperx[719].text 部長你看你們各單位對我們多好只是有時候難以理解謝謝委員啦我這邊會來處理然後你現在簡單回我一句話就要說謝謝委員那我就太累了好那你去病啊看你要病給誰啊好去病你們有病的習慣就去病啊我看你有什麼辦法病主席他們一定要找人跟我病喔不然就是找沒有病就照圓牛就這樣沒有就他自己講的啊
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transcript.whisperx[720].text 拜託委員,因為後面的溝通確實沒有科目,所以就沒有併這樣子,後面各委員在拜託委員這裡,是不是給我們一樣改動100萬元提書面報告不是啦,不然你那支不要改這麼多,對嗎?你如果要改這麼多,不然你也停下一份啦
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transcript.whisperx[721].text 所以就241案先保留?
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transcript.whisperx[722].text 二四一案先保留二四二案二四二案蘇財委已經簽名檢列一百萬不凍結二四二案檢列一百萬
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transcript.whisperx[723].text 二四三案二四三案以簽名改組決議修正文字三個月提書面報告二四三案改組決議二四四案二四四案陳委員這裡還沒有簽名沒有簽因為我是比較好奇就是說因為在
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transcript.whisperx[724].text 在去年之前歷年的這個你們都認為這個清潔隊員其實是很重要他們工作也很繁重那但是從早期的這個你們有給他們為他們準備就是說這個工作關係有那個護腰啦後來還有一些這個防曬的嘛或者保暖的這個一些這些
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transcript.whisperx[725].text 一包糜、衣物等等。那現在就是後來到現在變成剩下一包糜
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transcript.whisperx[726].text 二、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人114年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部
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transcript.whisperx[727].text 我們也是希望幫他們多爭取一些啦是是是謝謝委員關心清潔隊員啦齁這個一包米這個齁早期是一包清潔劑啦洗潔劑你後輩說應該清潔劑你說當時幾年幾年前後來在你怎麼可以跟十幾年前比後來在我現在比我從109年是
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transcript.whisperx[728].text 109年110年111年你們都還算很有人性非常的尊重他們然後突然你上任開始剩下一包白米我是不知道說你是對他們比較不好還是怎麼樣不是不是不是跟委員這個跟委員報告齁那個當時有做衣服有做手套是分幾年下去做那最近我們也有做一些事情
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transcript.whisperx[729].text 那這個做手套做衣服這件事情是當時有真的發現很多的清潔對他的工作的護具他的衣服他的工作等等之類的防護鞋齁
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transcript.whisperx[730].text 二、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等4家財團法人一、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等4家財團法人一、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等
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transcript.whisperx[731].text 竹北市也開始做類似的裝備這是我們示範的但是每年在年末給清潔隊的這個禮物這個大概我們都會去準備
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transcript.whisperx[732].text 但是他們的裝備那個大概是縣市政府跟鄉鎮施工所他都會去做這件事所以各縣市政府已經都做了所以你們才不用做對我們改成每一個縣市都已經有比照你們當初示範的要去做了你哪確定你就很大聲的講確定不要又講錯我還要再等你幾個月才有答案我們示範單是未必
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transcript.whisperx[733].text 二、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等4家財團法人一、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等4家財團
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transcript.whisperx[734].text 像今年我們就示範臨場的健康服務還有很多的照顧交通安全等等臨場健康服務我們是做了去現場一百人以下清潔隊員我們派醫生去也希望縣市政府這麼做啦是好啦這應該也不是你的想法那是有人帶你到三天啦
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transcript.whisperx[735].text 我還是很難接受你的解釋那個
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transcript.whisperx[736].text 部長你們還是注意一下啦因為畢竟這邊就是一個尊重跟感謝那我覺得那個是看你們自己心意我也沒有辦法在這裡替他們追加什麼啊但是落差是很大的所以因為如果既然是假如這個費用是示範的那很明顯
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transcript.whisperx[737].text 今年明年示範的就是白米就是告訴地方他們缺米就這樣子我就點到這裡啦這個落差我都已經寫在提案裡面你們自己看一下謝謝委員那個我會在可能在下一個年度我會積極來爭取其他的預算我們會努力啦謝謝好那這個部分這邊我數字我再改一下
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transcript.whisperx[738].text 我們這邊本來是改凍結300萬元三個月你不要改我是說本來本來是凍結1000萬元好那我們那我就改凍結500萬元然後你再來好好的說明一下這樣好不好好謝謝委員主席不好意思我對於三個月我是有意見像這種事情還要討論到三個月實在是太久了好
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transcript.whisperx[739].text 244案就是凍結500萬書面報告一個月內提書面報告245案是蘇昭偉這裡已經簽名同意改書面報告兩個月內提出簽名了
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transcript.whisperx[740].text 二四六案蘇昭偉還沒有簽名這個是
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transcript.whisperx[741].text 改書面報告。 那246案就先保留。 247案?
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transcript.whisperx[742].text 247案書召委已經簽名改組決議提書面報告。 所以27案是改組決議提書面報告。 248案?
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transcript.whisperx[743].text 248案書委員已經簽名然後這個提書面報告兩個月內提出動10%
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transcript.whisperx[744].text 動10%動10%然後兩個月提書面報告兩個月提書面報告249案還沒有簽名書還沒簽喔那就保留啦248案就保留249案也是還沒有簽名那249案保留250案
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transcript.whisperx[747].text 修正文字改組決議257案修委員這裡簽名同意科目可調整可併案就是凍結100萬嗎還是257案凍結100萬科目自行調整是可併案258案258案蘇委員已經簽名
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transcript.whisperx[748].text 同意修正文字改動百分之五改書面報告兩個月提出二五八案書委員有簽名凍結百分之五那就提書面報告二五九案二五九案書委員已簽名改組決議二五九案改組決議二六零案王委員還沒有簽名二六零案保留二六一案
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transcript.whisperx[749].text 二六一案劉建國委員還沒有簽名這個是這個我們有去溝通好劉委員要溝通怎樣
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transcript.whisperx[750].text 因為環境部都很怪怪的 部長你要很細心欸 部長 部長你每天都沒多久齁 我都希望你做更久的 謝謝 不然你這樣會灰暗 你要看齁 他要來跟我們溝通 啊就是溝通不是要拼案啊 無論 不要給他刪嘛齁
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transcript.whisperx[751].text 對嗎?這對嗎?這對我英文說這不是溝通。啊你看人家白人吼,我們這高清華還是古來英文,啊要審一下,要動一下就這樣,意見寥寥。啊碰一下大家就覺得你做壞了啦。對啦,心理學生大家的感情才比較好啦。啊就是他跟白人感情又更好呢。六百萬,人們不想給他動五十趴。好,去跟人家協調。協調醫藥對吧?六百萬的東西,准董用三十八萬。
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transcript.whisperx[752].text 你這個單位來對?你去對一下?我跟你說對一下你應該知道吧?六百萬有有有有一個是對你六百萬可以同意讓委員刪你一百萬因為原本是要凍結嘛對不對啊六百要給你凍三百啊對你應該你應該去溝通是不是凍少一點凍到最後你六百萬可以讓人家刪一百萬那我們這個幾千萬的幾億的給你三個五十一百你 你要救救救要怎麼對
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transcript.whisperx[753].text 你如果報完給你審是報完你當主你一次會給你審報完你不在主
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transcript.whisperx[754].text 你今天才來?不是啦?這就是現在進行中的事情啊不提醒你們你還當成沒有這回事?不是不是不是然後剛剛有幾個委員在跟你RQ那個清潔隊員等等等其實這個已經都不是現在才RQ了本部長沒來之前就有RQ了對啊怎麼都一直沒有進度我們社會資深黨委員我們可以做到怎樣做我們盡量做嘛但是你要個
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transcript.whisperx[755].text 那個差異太大6百萬可以刪1百萬你可以做那就按比例我們來處理了各機關我們都這樣處理有跟你們刪的就刪少一點就好其他不要再講了嘛也不需要再溝通了
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transcript.whisperx[756].text 好,謝謝委員。那我們就尊重委員的意見了。好,你不要讓我再講下去了。好,那這個就照這樣處理齁。不要再講了。後面全部都不要再來過來溝通了齁。因為我們朋友不是要不去做會啦,不要有什麼事要去做會齁。這樣26議案是怎樣?檢列100、凍結100喔?比較短齁?
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transcript.whisperx[757].text 好,謝謝委員。 好,請署長先回答一下。
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transcript.whisperx[758].text 好啦,那部長自己說明啊好啦,委員你說的這個案子我們就遵照辦理因為那個災難第5期的確是一個嚴重的問題而且這個也涉及到我們跟那個國土署的一個關聯度啦這個我們會妥善的來處理那我就遵照委員的這個篩100檢驗100、凍結100謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[759].text 趙偉,部長你可能聽不懂我的意思啦,這一案沒有什麼多大的問題,但是我是說從大氣司、從循環司一直到他們現在這個署齁,你看,你不如應該跟部長講,我在講哪一案你要拿給他看嘛。
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transcript.whisperx[760].text 你一個預算只有600萬人家是要給你動一半當然你要去溝通嘛對不對說明完之後是不是就動少一點動十分之一還是怎麼樣你們會同意人家3到100萬三、六分之一那你三、六分之一你還有辦法做
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transcript.whisperx[761].text 那我再跟你們審這個預算過程我們就一併照這樣辦理這第一件事情那第二件事情因為環保署不跟當兵環境部嘛齁都希望說錢比較多、比較多給你們的相關業務要支援比較好支援對啊但是你如果以前那種股市委來處理醫生
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transcript.whisperx[762].text 我感覺這樣不好啦那這樣就不太對嘛對不對然後有些東西有要求就有提醒2、3次本部長沒有到之前就已經在要求不是現在才要求阿一切都沒有進度這個這個這個這個交代不過去吧
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transcript.whisperx[763].text 然後講說有試一下溝通的一些事情訊息怎麼樣是到底是你們這邊講錯還是你們有做錯然後在審預算書不敢明講這個都查得出來最終預算還是有協商的一個空間你不要到時候讓我們去再把它抽出來給拍看
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transcript.whisperx[764].text 議長,謝謝。
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transcript.whisperx[765].text 我們即便提案
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transcript.whisperx[766].text 其實即便寫出一些數字我們都還是希望你們能夠做專業的說明然後有一些改進因為在這裡刪在這裡動都不是我們的本意因為我們也沒有愁我們這邊做的都是要替我們的民眾來維護爭取一些權益
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transcript.whisperx[767].text 二十二案先保留
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transcript.whisperx[768].text 二六一案
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transcript.whisperx[769].text 二、四、二案保留二、六、一案也保留你們繼續溝通二、六、二案二、六、二案兩委員已簽名這一個改動一百萬
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transcript.whisperx[770].text 三個月提書面報告並案二六二案凍結一百萬提書面報告二六三案二六三案陳委員已簽名改組決議書面報告二六四案二六四案還沒有簽名
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transcript.whisperx[771].text 264案保留不好意思264案廖委員已經簽名同意修正文字改動500萬科目可調整書面報告264案凍結500萬再提書面報告265案265案陳委員這邊還沒有簽名陳委員
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transcript.whisperx[772].text 我如果凍結你500萬,你能不能做事?請教。 是。 我是說我凍500他能不能做事,他也不知道,他跟我說是,是,是能做還是不能做,我也是聽不懂耶。
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transcript.whisperx[773].text 那個我們會尊重委員他還是尊重委員給他機會他還是要尊重我好不好我們一樣動500好不好動500喔可以喔265案凍結500萬266案也是陳委員這裡還沒有簽名陳委員
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transcript.whisperx[774].text 我們是一樣都500好
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transcript.whisperx[775].text 二、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環
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transcript.whisperx[776].text 好謝謝謝謝主席其實最主要的原因也是因為你們這個叫做推動環境管理那邊的預算是1700多萬可是山區幅員遼闊
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transcript.whisperx[777].text 新型態的管控方式像我舉個例子我看到很多的部落那個巷道都非常的小根本垃圾車進不去那進不去他們有幾種樣態就是有的會發展出有人去收垃圾幫忙收一次多少錢
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transcript.whisperx[778].text 那有的是他其實上下班的時間大家也知道我們的工作的樣態去高雄去打工回來回到山上所以通常有很多處理垃圾的方法那我覺得這些應該也都要列入推動環境管理的項目所以我的意思是說我們希望看到書面報告是希望就這一些不同的樣態要想出一些解決的方法以上
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transcript.whisperx[779].text 好我們來提書面報告268案就是凍結100萬然後提書面報告268案因為跟前面的262案是不是可以做併案這一個因為兩個都是併案那併案凍結100萬可以嗎吳委員那就併案凍結100萬269案
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transcript.whisperx[780].text 269案土委員已經簽名同意修正文字改凍結100萬科目調整提書面報告269案就是凍結100萬科目自行調整提書面報告270案也是陳委員還沒有簽名270案
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transcript.whisperx[781].text 這個部分我們就照那個溝通的就是凍結100萬然後改書面報告好謝謝委員271案凍結100萬改書面報告271案陳委員你還沒有簽名陳委員這一題我太有興趣了等一下這個
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transcript.whisperx[782].text 實際上因為你們2008年開始推動就是說那個衛生紙要丟馬桶但是這件真的是讓我們覺得很疑惑的事情我曾經比如說在這個台北SOGO我覺得他們就很棒他們清潔人員在每一間就是說只要有人進去上廁所那個那邊打掃的人員就會說麻煩你們那個衛生紙要丟在馬桶裡面減少那個垃圾
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transcript.whisperx[783].text 但是呢我到別的地方的時候一進去幾乎每個還在還在一些7-11的那種外面那種公廁都貼鏡子把這個衛生紙丟在馬桶裡面
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transcript.whisperx[784].text 所以到底這個政策到底是怎麼樣那或許是排水那個水管的問題或者是衛生紙的問題那或者是還有什麼其他問題可是你們到底做了什麼怎麼已經好長一段時間了結果那個亂象重生誰要講
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transcript.whisperx[785].text 好報告委員其實那個我上任之後我們的幾位都有來跟我報告齁因為過去的政策曾經說要或不要那其實這幾年其實我們目前我們是同意是說基本上可以丟但是有些公寓或是老舊的建築物他的管線比較小容易堵塞所以他會要求說我不能丟所以目前基本上是可以丟對啦那但是怎麼樣去再加速這些改善啊不是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[786].text 蘇長,要不要?好,那個跟委員報告有兩個部分第一個就是衛生紙它的材質現在已經跟各工會都已經談好它只要是水溶性的原則上
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transcript.whisperx[787].text 就是丟入馬桶那現在全國有10%的舊的水管那個部分在他的廁所就可以特別標示因為老舊等不要丟入丟入垃圾桶可能我運氣比較差我去了超過10%我去的地方可能都幾乎都在老舊的地方所以我們是希望不是你剛剛講那些我都了解我是說要趕快去改善這樣的狀況
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transcript.whisperx[788].text 這案我就凍結200萬然後讓你們再提書面報告。 所以271是怎樣?
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transcript.whisperx[789].text 271是凍結200萬改書面報告。 271就是凍結200改書面報告。
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transcript.whisperx[790].text 二七二案還有一些文字你沒有要文字修正還是照好那裡面有一些文字我們做一些調整謝謝那我等一下我們再對一下好了好那就先這樣通過囉凍結200然後改書面報告
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transcript.whisperx[791].text 二七二案楊耀委員以簽名同意修正文字改凍結一百萬可病案二七二案凍結一百萬二七三案二七三案陳委員這邊也還沒有簽名陳委員
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transcript.whisperx[792].text 抽煙的問題因為先跟大家講一下你們現在你剛說為了這個避免大家亂丟煙地你的垃圾桶弄了幾個一萬個一萬個專門在丟那個煙的嗎對那你知道立法院放在哪裡嗎立法院這個台北市的部分我們要查一下
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transcript.whisperx[793].text 因為我想這個要丟煙蒂的那一瞬間的感覺跟急著去上廁所是一樣的就是要及時那我覺得與其你用一萬個垃圾桶你看全台灣一萬個分布之後有多少人可以成功把煙蒂丟到垃圾桶你有沒有想過這個問題有沒有去算過
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transcript.whisperx[794].text 原則上現在也大概有6000個再加上那1萬個。 那我們的目標是... 所以1萬6000很多嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[796].text 如果我們畫那個叫什麼就是就是把它我不是說一定是這個方法我只是用我看過的我覺得比較有效率的方法那你那個小東西每個人多發幾個這樣是不是更普及
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transcript.whisperx[797].text 我只是說我認為垃圾桶是固定的而且他沒有辦法及時去去讓人家很精準的投遞到垃圾桶裡面可是這種小東西反而大家隨身攜帶養成習慣抽完我就放進來這樣搞不好是一個比較好的方式那這個我只是覺得你們這樣子做感覺效率就是
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transcript.whisperx[798].text 沒有什麼太好的效率啦這個部分希望你們再重新思考一下所以呢所以這個部分我們是不是也一樣凍結500萬元然後你們提書面報告然後還有就是也麻煩你提供一個數據就是燕地占全體垃圾比例為大概有多少謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[800].text 確定齁?欸那個其實齁全國每年有362億根的煙賣出去大概有90億根是流落在環境的這個大概可以算得出來好那273案就是動500然後改就是呃改書面報告欸我們這邊還有書面報告還有小三五十啊好不好那個
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transcript.whisperx[801].text 委員 這個少丟淹地淹地不落地這比較好的事情是不是讓我們盡量來推動我覺得是好事但你方法不好阿幫委員其實齁因為我要解決是因為淹地是要丟到我們的水溝啦水溝是我們台灣最大的淹灰缸啦所以我們是要解決這個問題阿其實希望是每個抽煙的他自己要備但是我們現在還沒有養成這個文化那我也請我們黃關署能夠再提倡一下
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transcript.whisperx[802].text 我真的非常痛恨人家抽煙然後我也覺得亂丟煙蒂是一件非常沒有水準的事情男生做那種事是很不帥的事所以沒關係我就不刪那就凍結500萬然後你們趕快
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transcript.whisperx[803].text 二期三案動500改成書面報告
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transcript.whisperx[804].text 二期思案是林委員所提還沒有簽名是林委員沒關係這個部長我是很同意很多委員剛才講的就是說下屬給你的
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transcript.whisperx[805].text 給你的資料給你的意見給你的光鮮亮麗的活動其實不一定是真的那麼光鮮亮麗那公測的評鑑這件事情你也去刷馬桶了但是事實上是離人家真正的進步的國家裡面你去比照這個參考一下日本的經驗你會發現我們真的是落後太多了而我們你以為說我們獲得這個滿分五分的評鑑的95%的公測是一件很進步的事情並不是
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transcript.whisperx[806].text 民眾評鑑1683做的公測裡面有1626做的評委特優級。如果說民眾要填寫分數的時候沒有給滿分還要要求續名理由。如果你沒有續名理由的話就沒有辦法送出評鑑表單啦等等啦。
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transcript.whisperx[807].text 這都做表面功夫啦齁那其實我們在這裡是希望是說啊你們的調查內容也沒有包含包括設備功能性安全感等多方面的評估也沒有分析不同年齡層性別身心狀況的使用者根本難以了解真實的使用者需求和痛點然後呢非特有級的公測大家就覺得很髒亂就不去使用你知道多少人你知道對女生而言對很多人
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transcript.whisperx[808].text 二、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人114年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部
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transcript.whisperx[809].text 公務及基金預算
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transcript.whisperx[810].text 二、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環
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transcript.whisperx[811].text 陳.陳委員已經簽名同意修正文字後改組決議。
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transcript.whisperx[812].text 二七五案改組決議二七六案二七六案林岳勤委員這裡還沒有簽名
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transcript.whisperx[813].text 二七六案保留二七七案廖委員已簽名同意改凍結兩百萬科目調整書面報告可併案二七七案凍結兩百萬那提書面報告二七八案二七八案盧委員已簽名改凍一百萬科目可調整併案提書面報告二七八案凍結一百萬科目可自行調整併案二七九案
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transcript.whisperx[814].text 二七九案書召委這裏以簽名改凍結一百萬改書面報告二八零案圖委員以簽名修正文字改凍結一百萬元科目可調整二八零案凍結一百萬科目自行調整可併案二八一案書委員以簽名
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transcript.whisperx[815].text 那同意改凍結100萬專案報告改書面報告。 281案凍結100萬改書面報告。 282案。 282案蘇委員蘇昭偉已簽名改凍100萬書面報告。蘇委員我講一下倒過來那個242242看一下
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transcript.whisperx[816].text 這個是預算書600萬嘛那是減100萬那我們勞動部環境部啦對不起在講錯環境部這樣可以吧那個其實是我們很重要的一個稽查體系的一個大腦啦這個溝通上面可能是我們
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transcript.whisperx[817].text 國通的能量不夠還是怎麼樣是不是能夠讓我們這一個能夠去執行這個稽查稽查的一個重心啦。 動50萬好不好。 好謝謝。 好那242案改動50萬就是不檢列改動50萬。 好。
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transcript.whisperx[818].text 二八二書遭委以簽名改凍結一百萬書面報告二八三案劉建國委員還沒有簽名
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transcript.whisperx[819].text 283案保留
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transcript.whisperx[820].text 二八三案保留二八四案二八四案
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transcript.whisperx[821].text 委員已經簽名同意凍結100萬阿可病案284案凍結100萬285案報告主席我們那個283283保留285案盧委員這裡還沒有簽名285案保留
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transcript.whisperx[822].text 二八六陳委員這裏還沒有簽名二八六陳委員是對這裏這裏動兩百萬我是你是部長嗎我說部長動多少
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transcript.whisperx[823].text 兩百好不好?
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transcript.whisperx[824].text 有點少啦,但是我們會寫報告啦。 這個廚餘,你說的廚餘的確是一個問題。 對啊,因為這麼多20年了,然後到底每個地方,你們不要講因地制宜,因為民眾就是搞不清楚啊。光一個廚餘有分熟、深得跟熟的。
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transcript.whisperx[825].text 我本來是動
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transcript.whisperx[826].text 286案就是凍結500提書面報告287案
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transcript.whisperx[827].text 287案陳委員這裡已經簽名修正文字改凍結100萬書面報告288案廖委員已簽名這個是同意文字修改科目調整然後改書面報告可併案有凍結嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[828].text 二八九案秋委員已經簽名改凍結一百萬科目調整啊這個
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transcript.whisperx[829].text 提書面可併案。 289案凍結100萬290案陳昭之委員已經簽名同意不刪減修改文字科目調整凍結的部分
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transcript.whisperx[830].text 對陳委員這裡是一千萬凍結一千萬凍結一千萬沒有收到沒有收到不然先保留就主席台這邊還沒有收到他有簽嗎他有簽嗎他是沒有簽那就先保留好不好先保留好了先保留290案先保留291案好291案邱正軍委員這裡已清簽名
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transcript.whisperx[831].text 那這個同意科目調整然後可併案提書面。 嗯。 這裡有改動100嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[832].text 原來就動100。 動100然後科目自行調整提書面報告。 292案。 我這個要併案。
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transcript.whisperx[833].text 跟主席報告我們這裡有這個案子是291、289、288、269還有269這幾個是可以併案那個主案號併269
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transcript.whisperx[834].text 所以就是269、288、289、291併案就是合併凍結100萬嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[835].text 是。 在292案?
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transcript.whisperx[836].text 292案王委員辦公室同意改組決議已經簽名
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transcript.whisperx[837].text 二九二案改組決議二九三案二九三案跟貿易辦公室溝通改凍結十萬元三個月提書面報告二九三案改凍結十萬提書面報告三個月提書面報告二九四案二九四案跟貿易辦公室同意改凍結一百萬專案報告改書面報告科目可調整可以併案二九四案凍結一百萬改書面報告
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transcript.whisperx[839].text 二九六案二九六二陳委員辦公室溝通結果改凍結一百萬那兩個月提書面報告科目可以調整可以併案那委員已經有簽名陳委員有簽嗎好二九六案凍結一百萬那改提書面報告二九七案二九七案現在是改成氣候組的組決議
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transcript.whisperx[840].text 二九七案改組決議七後暑的組決議對七後暑的組決議已簽名了有簽名嗎有簽名對二九八案二九八案六年辦公室同意改組決議兩個月提書面報告已經簽名二九八案改組決議二九九案二九九案我們遵照辦理就是凍結十萬三個月提書面報告
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transcript.whisperx[841].text 二九九案凍結十萬那二九六跟二九九是不是就並案那二九九為主案號二九六二九六是凍一百捏所以你這樣就所以二九九也凍一百還是怎樣合併凍一百合併凍一百那就是二九六二九九合併凍結一百萬
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transcript.whisperx[842].text 三零零案三零零案零月請辦公室這個同意改組決議兩月提書面報告已經有簽名三零零案改組決議三零一案三零一案六園辦公室同意改組決議已經簽名三零一案改組決議三零二案
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transcript.whisperx[843].text 蘇委員這個也去溝通建議改組決定不過委員沒有簽名302蘇委員302蘇委員因為我們是實驗室的用電因為那沒辦法因為有實驗室的問題先保留啦先保留好302案先保留303案303案王委員辦公室同意改凍結100萬科目可以調整就提書面報告可以併案
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transcript.whisperx[844].text 三零三案凍結一百萬三零四案黃源辦公室改凍結一百萬提書面報告科目可以調整可以併案三零四案凍結一百萬三零五案跟黃源辦公室溝通後改凍結一百萬文字修正科目可以調整可以併案
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transcript.whisperx[845].text 好305案凍結100萬306案那跟照也報告303、304、305還有309可不可以併案然後主案號是303好好那303、304、305、309合併但是309OK好好那就合併凍結100萬306案
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transcript.whisperx[846].text 三零六案跟廖委員辦公室溝通不過目前是沒有簽名那就先保留三零六案先保留三零七案三零七案跟王委員辦公室有溝通不過目前沒有簽名
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transcript.whisperx[847].text 對,這一案不行,這一案我要要求國家環境研究院你們現在針對光電就是說對於這一些水庫就是這種水庫型它上面要設置這個福利式的光電板它對於這個周遭環境的影響還有水質的影響
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transcript.whisperx[848].text 當時在討論曾文水庫這一案的時候經濟部自己發了一個新聞稿說你們國家環境研究院已經證實沒有問題事後我了解根本你們還沒有做但第一時間你們也不敢發新聞稿去反駁我們有問他為什麼寫國環院事實上他承認那不是我們做的
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transcript.whisperx[849].text 對 那不行啊 就是這樣子經濟部在誤導視聽啊 好像你們已經背書說沒有問題啊 所以這一案呢 我要求你們就是後續應該要去做這一個研究對 我們會跟委員辦公室報告 就是我們會做檢測計畫 那到時候檢測結果會提供給委員辦公室 對 這個我希望你們好好的做 是
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transcript.whisperx[851].text 他如果亂冠你們的名字還要你們這樣子背書拉進來背書明明是光電業者自己去委託大學做的研究然後硬要用你們的國家環境院的光環背書我覺得這個不可以啊你知道這件事嗎這個是我不知道你不知道嗎你們沒有向上呈報我們後來把這個因為有委員來問我們把我們說這個是經濟部所做不是我們國環院做的我們有特別做這個說明是這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[854].text 三零八案改組決議三零九案改凍結一百萬然後專案報告改成書面報告那剛這個案子也併了就是有四個案併然後組案號是三零三那三零九案就是凍結一百萬那改書面報告跟三零三、三零四、三零五、三零九合併凍結一百萬三一零案遵照辦理
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transcript.whisperx[855].text 公務預算第一輪休息10分鐘
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transcript.whisperx[856].text 我們現在繼續開會公務預算第二輪的部分我們先處理在場委員是那個林委員的部分林淑芬委員的部分5152已經簽給他們了對不對5152
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transcript.whisperx[857].text 五十一案五十二案五十二案也是凍結五百萬
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transcript.whisperx[858].text 免費財團
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transcript.whisperx[859].text 在那邊總共不過一千萬而已,所以... 這樣不對喔,跟我在那邊盧半天說沒有錢喔,阿林委員一棟兩岸都跟不上。 9152是空氣品質捏,我們在講那個HAPS啊,還有SRF啦,跟你講的那個... 那到明天我要翻案我的全部重來,我都不認。
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transcript.whisperx[860].text 第51案凍結500萬第52案凍結500萬7979案
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transcript.whisperx[872].text 議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會
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transcript.whisperx[873].text 議員議員議員議員
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transcript.whisperx[874].text 規定規定規定規定規定
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transcript.whisperx[875].text 二、繼續審查環境部主管預算。
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transcript.whisperx[877].text 但是你還沒有中文道歉
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transcript.whisperx[878].text 三五十兜兩百
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transcript.whisperx[879].text 公務及基金預算案公務及基金預算案公務及基金預算案公務及基金預算案公務及基金預算案公務及基金預算案
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transcript.whisperx[884].text 以後我們定期跟他吃個飯好不好?
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transcript.whisperx[907].text 好那276案就是凍結10萬元那還要提書面報告
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transcript.whisperx[908].text 好,那在場委員如果第一輪原本有保留的要處理的是不是要先處理,要不然...好,謝謝主席我第一輪保留的應該是127、138、149
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transcript.whisperx[909].text 還有163那這幾案的話我想因為我也動得不是很高啦都動100萬而已所以我是想說我也是等報告好不好所以就是繼續保留對對對繼續保留好好好謝謝你是要繼續保留嗎我也是你是要凍結你是要凍結還是要繼續因為保留因為你還要等報告你是要等報告
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transcript.whisperx[910].text 我只是說因為我有的已經同意併案了有的改組決議那我剛剛講的那幾案就是對我還是凍結然後等看報告
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transcript.whisperx[911].text 動解動1百萬我等書面報告127案誰報告127案7月25日動1百萬4個月書面報告127案動1百萬改書面報告4個月
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transcript.whisperx[912].text 還有138138一樣也是動100萬然後改書面報告對149也是改動100萬149對好149改動149案對凍結100萬然後改題書面報告好謝謝委員還有一個163163改動5%
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transcript.whisperx[913].text 163案凍結5%
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transcript.whisperx[914].text 好其他的都處理過謝謝好那在場委員還要第一輪原本有保留的要處理的嗎沒有好那那我們公務預算好我們第一輪先處理那其他的保留的部分我們明天好明天再繼續那我先做以下的決議
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transcript.whisperx[915].text 就是中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部主管公務及基金預算以及環境部函送環境資源研究發展基金會等4家財團法人114年度預算書案尚未審查完略明天早上9點繼續審查現在休息
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transcript.whisperx[916].text 那那個環境部就是說請你們今天保留的部分趕快找委員積極的去溝通那明天會一併把它處理掉
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transcript.whisperx[917].text 二、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人114年度中央政府總預算.一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人114年度
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transcript.whisperx[918].text 二、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人114年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部主管預算.一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人114年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部函送財團法人114年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部函送財團法人114年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部函送財團法人114年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部函送財團法人114年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部函送財團法人114年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部函送財團法人114年度中央
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transcript.whisperx[919].text 二、繼續審查環境部主管預算案關於環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管二、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境部主管一、繼續審查環境
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transcript.whisperx[920].text 二、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等4家財團法人1、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等2、繼續審查
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transcript.whisperx[921].text 二、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等4家財團法人114年度
IVOD_ID 16309
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16309
日期 2024-11-27
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-2-26-11
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 2
會議資料.會次 11
會議資料.種類 委員會
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] 26
會議資料.標題 第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會議
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開始時間 2024-11-27T08:31:30+08:00
結束時間 2024-11-27T16:10:00+08:00
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