| IVOD_ID |
163038 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163038 |
| 日期 |
2025-07-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
全院委員會-11-3-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第4次全院委員會會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
全院委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第4次全院委員會會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-07-09T15:22:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-07-09T15:44:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:21:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/29dd8432533c2d58759327d0ffa5cf79914535bb497189efe2935a81d6c80c6241d823e46ab58e485ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳思瑤 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:22:33 - 15:44:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-07-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第4次全院委員會會議（事由：總統咨，為司法院大法官含院長、副院長，現有缺額7名，茲依據中華民國憲法增修條文第5條規定，提名蔡秋明、蘇素娥、蕭文生、鄭純惠、林麗瑩、陳慈陽、詹鎮榮7位為司法院大法官，並以蔡秋明為院長、蘇素娥為副院長，咨請同意案。） |
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思瑤委員請詢問翁曉琳委員請準備謝謝院長有請我們蘇副院長提名人麻煩貝提名人再次說明委員好 |
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您辛苦了我今天的破題就是我們要在一個司法面臨著內外交迫的挑戰外有社會或來自於政治力的挑戰內有我們需要改革為司法人員減壓的困境所以如何在這個內憂外患的司法的險境當中我們能夠突圍能夠重生 |
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所以在這個重建司法的關鍵時刻我還是要再一次的說我希望今天站在這裡來提出質詢的立法委員們都要相對的自制我想我們司法正義不應當成為政黨惡鬥的犧牲品 |
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我真心的期待剛剛前幾位委員的質詢我聽了真的是無比的遺憾一再的針對個案來做誘導式的詢答或者是強迫你們針對政治立場來表態 |
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我吳思瑤的立場是我認為不見得要求您要針對提出來的每一個政黨詢問你們的題目你們的答案要跟我設想的一模一樣我們要選擇的不是一個聽話的大法官不是一個完全思想跟我個人一模一樣的大法官而是如何在多元民主包容的台灣社會能夠彰顯司法的獨立公正跟判斷 |
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这才是我们今天站在这里非常重要的意义我再说一次有媒体等会要采访我针对上午呢这个院长提名人针对在黄国昌委员的询答当中有提到这个院长提名人对于部分执政党认为涉及违宪的法案 |
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他認為恐怕沒有違憲我認為這樣的回答我不會因此而把他認為我不同意他我認為他的司法專業不足法律專業不足我再說一次我們不是要選擇聽話的大法官我們不是要選擇一個跟你百分之百政黨意識形態或者是對於案件的觀點或是政策的觀點一模一樣的大法官 |
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我們要的是能夠如何在不同的多元思維之下還能夠彰顯法律專業跟司法正義的大法官我今天站在這裡我要用這樣子的態度跟您對話我更要忍不住的說 |
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國人確實對司法的滿意度普遍還有待努力但是剛剛在這裡處處為難您的立法委員民眾黨的政黨支持度只有10.10%吧而他們在五月份的民調不滿意度高達54% |
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所以一個自己政黨滿意度都不高的政黨也應當反求諸己而不是一再這裡撻伐別人為難別人好下一頁這是我在去年針對我非常期待我們能夠誕生首位的司法院的女院長那時候針對姜文貞的院長提名人的時候我詢問她的時候我準備的PPT就說你有看過這部影片嗎 |
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NHK的大席建議您可以看一看一定很有很深的一個感觸這是三淵家子是日本的首位女律師那也是日本的首位女法官她講述了如何在一個性別禁忌的年代女性可以成為法律專業的佼佼者在那個禁忌的年代而中華民國台灣我們已經產生了女總統 |
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但非常遺憾,去年的大法官院長同意權的行使,張文貞院長被提名人是被封殺的,但我們尊重這個結果。但我期待,有遺珠之憾,張文貞沒有辦法容認院長。我非常期待蘇蘇兒,您可以成為我們首位的司法院副院長。我給您無比的祝福,下頁。 |
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而宪法法庭我们确实就性别的比例一直的在提升如果以2024年现任跟现任的大法官其实是女性男性一比二 |
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如果這一次我們的提名能夠順利的話將來到女性七位男性八位是一比一所以說讓性別的憲法重量也能夠達到性別平權我再一次期待您可以為我們性別平權的性別主流化的司法行政司法院的領導帶來新的風氣下一頁 |
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這邊我具體也跟您分享,不曉得您有沒有注意到,我們在法官人數,司法的從業人員的法官人數,女性已經來到1156位,男性是1043位,其實女性來到52.6%, |
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而右邊的這個圖表是各級法院的女性法官的占比在這十年間也都大幅的躍升所以如果您有機會可以成為我們未來領導的副院長您如何再深化在司法領域的性別主流化的意識呢簡單回答 |
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是 就是在相關的會議就是相關各個法院有各式各樣的會議我們都會要求要符合性別主流化的規定然後在法官學院的課程裡面也都每年都有加入這樣的課程 |
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而且盡可能也要把著更多優秀的女性司法人員事實上現在女性法官的人數好像也是非常高嗎是超過一半超過一半非常好所以這是比較進步性的議題我非常期待您能夠未來扮演重要的角色下一頁 |
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那現在要進入一些政治題的深水區喔這一頁同樣也是我去年在追尋張文貞院長提名人的時候我提出來的Elena Coggan您應當對她也不陌生喔她是美國第四位的女性大法官當時歐巴馬提名的時候呢提名她為大法官候選人的時候基於政黨不同立場共和黨也對她做出非常多 |
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不公允的批判把他描述成一個非常激進的激進主張者激進主義者但是我非常推崇他這句話您應當有讀過這應該是法律人的金句喔也就是my politics would be must be have to becompletely separate from my judgment |
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我个人的政治判断我纵使有我的政治思想我有我个人的一些偏好主张但是完全会与我在专业的法律的判断上是完全必须分离的 |
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這就是我剛剛說的我們要選擇的不是一個百分之百聽話的大法官所有的主張跟民進黨執政黨或跟吳斯堯一樣的大法官我們要的是您可以彰顯您的法律專業在每一個案件的判斷上你可以去有獨立判斷的空間而社會或是國會就要給予我們的司法人員這樣子獨立判斷的空間您非常同意嗎對不對好那下一頁 |
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而當中一個很重要的基準就是克尊憲法左邊呢是我當初 |
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擔任立法委員我宣誓的誓詞每四年一屆當我有幸連任我一定會對著國旗來宣讀我的誓詞於是以製程恪遵憲法效忠國家代表人民依法行使職權不徇私舞弊不營求私利不受受賄賂重點來了不干預司法 |
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就是每一個立法委員在宣誓的時候我們向國人對著憲法的宣誓我們絕對不會用政治力去干預司法同樣的如果您能夠擔任未來的副院長您的誓詞當中也一樣萬本歸宗我們要克尊國家的憲法大法官是憲法的守護者下頁 |
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只是非常遺憾這一屆的立法院組成一年半基於憲政機關平等相違的權力分立的原則卻被立法院大幅的強害了 |
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禍害了也就是不斷的去彰顯一個國會最大國會優位的思維反映在立法院不管行使人事權預算權乃至於法律案都讓各個憲政機關的憲政忠誠義務沒有辦法去煽驚所以我們覺得不容司法受到政治的干預 |
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我們不容司法受到政治的箝制我也希望您有這樣子的背膀面對任何的政治的威嚇我們都要能夠挺住因為我們克尊憲法而憲法告訴我們沒有誰比較大平等相違的憲政義務大家是平等的所以下一頁我為什麼說這是內憂外患的一個時期我們碰到了 |
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現在非常險峻的在野黨對國家並不忠誠對憲法並不忠誠對人民並不忠誠他們一再的挑戰司法也一再的去挑戰憲法 |
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違憲有兩種一種是維護憲法但他們偏偏選擇了違反憲法而沒有司法迫害我們這麼多年來做司法改革我們都希望司法透明公開公正獨立的審判 |
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我們都不容現在的進步台灣法治台灣有司法迫害的情勢但現在在台灣的政治權發生的是迫害司法的這種作為下一頁我想看看就人事權的部分這是史上延宕最久 |
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不管是2024年大法官的同意權的行使延宕了95天2025年總統再次提名到現在也延宕了74天我非常期待這一次能夠順利行使不要再讓我們的司法單位 |
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最高的司法院沒有辦法如常運作下一頁剛講的是人事權被杯葛被延宕了更嚴厲的挑戰就是立法權來強害司法權然後呢有非常多的違憲法案這邊都是我們已經具體的去申請釋憲但您放心我不會要求您對每一個議案來表達你認為它違憲與否 |
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我說了 我不會像黃國昌這樣我們不是用政治力去壓迫每一個被提名人被強制的表態我也不會因為你認為哪些法案違憲或不違憲來去貶抑了或去左右了我對您的法律專業的尊重跟判斷 |
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我希望是这样因为宪法法庭是一个专业的组成而事实上这些政治议程上的视线案只占我们所有宪法法庭受理的视线案的比例非常低 |
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一般98% 99%都是人民的申請案他並沒有政黨意識只有1% 2%是可能涉及憲法機關當中的權力分立的問題所以我們再次呼籲在野黨的委員不要因為這些政治在可能在對立或對壘的釋憲案 |
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的政治判斷來左右影響他對於大法官人事同意權的行使因為這些案子只有2% 1%你們的專業應當更要用在98%的人民權利義務的申請案您同意吧好那我們有很高的共識下一頁 |
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另外也非常不幸的是非常多的政黨跟政治人物不斷的鼓動民粹去就個案來包圍司法機關您作為司法從業人員您認為這樣的行為要被譴責還是應當節制還是可以容忍我覺得應該要給司法獨立審判的空間 |
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而且這是違法的規範司法為什麼司法機關是作為極有的禁制區就是為了讓司法從業人員能夠獨立判斷不受民粹跟社會輿論的影響下一頁而更讓人可異的 |
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再也立委甚至去盲挺對於我們司法人員的安全跟權益造成侵害的這種暴力言論不論是透過肉搜、獵巫、公審或威脅都造成我們守護司法人員沒有辦法做到 |
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我們要守護司法人員您作為可能的司法院的副院長貝提名人您怎麼給我們司法人員一個喊話一個支持一個鼓勵不受這樣子的威嚇司法院永遠是大家最堅強的後盾我們捍衛審判獨立跟以這個公正公平法院為這個審判的核心思想永遠不會變 |
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對 我們要守護司法人員而不是放任縱容他們受到社會的霸凌 |
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下一頁剛剛有委員當然會focus在法庭直播我想難得看到的審檢辯學還有醫事鑑定的團體跟民團對於急救章沒有討論倉促通過的法院組織法同聲反對 |
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我更反對把一個重要的司法制度的改革作為政治交換的籌碼很遺憾就發生在立法院半個月前所以說對於法庭直播這件事下眼無論如何即便在朝野協商 |
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的階段因為這個案子是委員會沒有討論近乎二讀最專業該討論的司法法治文會沒有辦法針對法院組織法法庭直播的部分來進行深究探討只能夠在韓院長主持的朝野協商短短的讓司法院的代表副秘書長表達大概兩分鐘左右的時間司法院 |
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一直持保留跟反對的態度因為現在配套沒有做足倉促上路會造成很多嚴重司法人權侵害的後果但是無論如何惡法通過了惡法易法啦您認為未來如何在這個惡法上路之後您會鼓勵或者是期待行政院提醒復議嗎 |
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行政院是不是要提復一是尊重他們的職權所以如果說復一也是會輸了坦白講在這個國會生態當中復一案也完全沒有理性討論的空間但是未來如果這樣子的制度就是被迫上路他也已經被迫上路你們作為一個制度要去做很多配套的這個司法院你們該如何來進行 |
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據我所知司法行政廳的幕僚他們已經開始在草擬司法相關的執法那要盡可能對於我們擔憂的司法人權的傷害對於訴訟當事人他自己權利的保障絕對不能被剝奪更不容透過這種直播的方式來造成全民公審的負面的影響他真的非常的可怕好最後下一頁 |
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我其實後面有很多對於我們司法院的內部的挑戰我就非常簡單的跟您分享我的觀點我們一定要為司法人員減壓包括增補人力包括減少案源包括防度濫訴 |
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加速推動訴訟外的紛爭解決的機制也包括要導入AI的科技來協助我們的人員分擔還有對於司法人員的心理調適的假期其實我非常的開心我讀了您的書面報告大概您都有提到了下一頁 |
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司法人員呢20年還補不齊我強力的主張跟要求跟期待我們現在需求人力還有5536位真的20年也補不齊下一頁所以我期待如果您能夠容認我們未來司法院的副院長無論如何要發揮您過去在國民法官法的時候您跟社會溝通 |
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您跟國會遊說很有經驗您也要強化跟行政院的人事部門來針對總原額法的修法來突破一萬五千人司法人員上線這個您可以Promise努力去做是的我一定努力好那下一個許宗麗前院長的未竟之功也就是如何能夠來落實這個訴訟程序金字塔的制度讓 |
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1134.919 |
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一審二審不要翻來覆去來來去去造成司法資源的浪費對於訴訟當事人他也疲於奔命當然對我們的司法人員他永遠在做同樣的routine的工作對於司法的效能跟品質沒有提升所以說下一頁 |
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我具體的這裡是反映出來就幾年了我們的案件大量提升就您的報告也提到十年間司法總體收案量增加將近三成而未結的案件量增加百分之一百一十一所以呢下一頁我期許您落實二零一二一年 |
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立法院修訂完成的民事訴訟法要對於濫訴的部分該駁回該裁定就要支持法官勇敢去做不要基於害怕考積你要支持啊不要因為這法官擔心他如果駁回了人家的這個濫訴的案件然後會影響他的考積這個部分你可以承諾來具體達到嗎法律的規定我們一定支持好那在下一頁 |
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那你們是不是同意你能夠加速在上任之後來制定調解法針對這個ADR的制度來解決這個案源過多的問題 |
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這個是大家一個都相當同意的用訴訟外解決紛爭的機制然後現在也是一直在推不只是民事訴訟刑事訴訟也有還有家事我期待你們可以加速未來立法院有了新民意的立法院也能夠來支持最後導入科技我們過去所上路的智慧化裁判草稿自動生成系統似乎受阻了是不是還會強化來推進 |
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這個部分在有一次司法院的這個研討會上面有討論就是 AI 的部分到底要用 |
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我知道還有爭議執行上一條的法律問題但是畢竟這是水中科技來取代的任命有且不凡我想司法院不要放棄行令最後一項我們直接執行到也就是我們的心理調試下我已經成功徵詢所有的共同人能夠獲得一年三天的 |
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我希望未來的執法人員高壓的執法人員也能夠來適用他們的盛情調治價值期待以上的舉動努力來制衡它我們能一起加油如你所說的要建構一個獨立、公正、專業、效能的執法我們一起努力我們一起抵禦很多外部不當的政治戰爭作為一個白日人要有背包 |
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1286.442 |
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1289.675 |
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好谢谢谢谢谢谢五四一二位 |