| IVOD_ID |
163037 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163037 |
| 日期 |
2025-07-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
全院委員會-11-3-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第4次全院委員會會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
全院委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第4次全院委員會會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-07-09T15:00:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-07-09T15:22:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:21:17 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/29dd8432533c2d584470478c19c20846914535bb497189efe2935a81d6c80c621c8d1a4ee289610d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:00:44 - 15:22:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-07-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第4次全院委員會會議（事由：總統咨，為司法院大法官含院長、副院長，現有缺額7名，茲依據中華民國憲法增修條文第5條規定，提名蔡秋明、蘇素娥、蕭文生、鄭純惠、林麗瑩、陳慈陽、詹鎮榮7位為司法院大法官，並以蔡秋明為院長、蘇素娥為副院長，咨請同意案。） |
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吳思瑤委員請準備 |
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謝謝韓連長請副院長背題名人麻煩背題名人再次說明副院長背題名人好你是這個擔任過行政廳的廳長行事廳對行事廳的廳長當行事訴訟方面你是專家對不對我先請教一下 |
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關於限制出境還有出海這個相關規定在刑訴訴訟法裡面的第幾邊 第幾章委員很抱歉我記不起那個數字不過那一整張是當時是我在的時候修的法關於就是刑訴訴訟法裡面關於限制出境還有出海這相關規定在刑訴訴訟法裡面的第幾邊 第幾章 |
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就是數字我記不起來但是我知道這是你自算裡面寫的呢是是是那一整張是我修的是我增訂進去的只是那個數字我記不起來我大概是從93條左右開始所以你不曉得在第幾邊數字會記不起來很抱歉來我給你看一下來這個是掛在總統府的網站上面這也是你送到立法院來審查的自算 |
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你說你負責推動跟增訂《刑訴訴訟法》的第二篇第八章之一限制出境跟出海是這是對的嗎因為我現在可能要翻一下法條會比較清楚就是那一整章這是你重要的政績謝謝謝謝委員對不對 |
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你居然不曉得他在第幾邊喔?呃...是不是...我想要確認一下是不是有打錯字或是什麼我這個有點壓抑喔因為這算你重大的政績嘛對不對你是刑事廳的廳長而且這是你長久推動的這是你自傳送過來又送到總統府的最嚴重的是什麼?不只你現在不曉得欸你的自傳還寫錯欸 |
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這個規定是在第一邊耶你送到總統府送到立法院立法院審查的竟然是錯的很抱歉可能是誤善這是你寫的是不是是誤善這麼嚴重真的很抱歉你竟然也還不記得 |
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你算是這七位裡面資歷我看是排在前面很完整的可是連這個字算都寫錯你都還不記得在哪個位置這很大的扣分耶我記得93條我記得條文 |
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謝謝委員這回去馬上改這是一個認真的態度大法官應該是要認真的嘛第二個你要非常尊重立法院的審查你說裡面送來的資料都是不對的我要回去查還找不到這是你的專長 |
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這扣分扣太多了這是對我們立法院審查的不尊重這樣也是對你被提名為大法官的被提名人一個不尊重我陳斥的道歉應該是誤善打字的時候就是誤善來 被提名我們再看一下上次你們來拜會的時候我特別提醒你我說我們辛辛苦苦非常詳細的做了問卷對不對是請你要盡快想死而且要盡快的 |
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要填寫你在什麼時候我們26號給你們嘛對不對你什麼時候回來給我回來我記得是禮拜一個就是禮拜五我禮拜一才接到啊我在兩天前才接到你的回覆耶這對我們審查制度的尊重嗎 |
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我們為什麼辛辛苦苦要做問卷這是我們的職責也是你的職責你被提名了我們要很清楚知道你對很多事情的看法你要立場要有主張對不對結果你在前天才給我們這時間不會拖太晚嗎我們一起應該是星期五的下午可能有一點剛好是週末假日的時間差 |
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拉得太長 26要給你 到前天才回來另外更嚴重的就是你的這個回答很多都是十問虛答顧左右而言他我們看不到你的立場跟你的內容欸甚至在第二問的時候 大家看到沒有我們的十個問題第二問的時候問題啊 跟你的答案文字大概差不多在下一張 |
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第七問的時候在問你不適合檢察官的這個問題這個有沒有侵犯到人權有沒有不正新聞這是非常非常重要你剛剛在報告的時候還有打醒的時候你在強調你非常關心人權嘛這麼重要的問題我題目473個字你回答了430個字耶為什麼會這麼一個是在敷衍嗎沒有跟委員報告我可以口頭來補充說明嗎 |
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因為檢察官的部分畢竟就是因為我長久是在審判體系所以檢察官的部分其實我們是確實是比較不了解的但是我知道法院組織法的部分檢察官的這個職務監督人他根據規定他可以做哪一些職務監督然後呢他也准用到法官法的一些相關的規定就是檢察官評鑑等等所以我是引用了這一些條文 |
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然後來說明說現在有相關的規定來處理檢察官的違法失職然後這個規定在那裡但是委員覺得說好像執行起來好像不太有效這個應該是權責單位他們要去檢討說執行的問題這個是因為是檢察官的部分我們審判體系確實是比較不了解 |
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被提名人你在強調你是長久以來非常尊重人權對不對注意人權的結果這段時間的 |
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不是任檢察官裡面的不正訊問或者是羈押的問題這是憲法第八條明文規定要保障人權也是你長久在追求的結果你是回答這樣短短幾個字看不到你很明確的立場跟堅定的立場我們在投票的時候這一題要幫你加分還是扣分當然扣分啊最重要的是十個題目我剛才講你是所有七個被提名人裡面資歷算是幾乎是最完整的 |
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這是加分結果你的問卷裡面扣分滿滿幾乎是死當的一個狀態跟委員報告關於不當詢問的部分我有特別引用了刑事訴訟法第156條它事實上就是在處理不正詢問的問題它提到的是被告自白一定要有任意性他不能夠被強暴脅迫 |
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不正詢問的方法之下來做陳述所以您提到了這個不正詢問我特別提到了這個刑事訴訟法第156條的規定如果檢察官引用了這個這樣的不正詢問的公訴來當作證據的話在開庭的時候這個資料是會公開的在開庭的時候法官經過調查他經過調查之後他會他可以認為說這個 |
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不具任意性把這個證據排除那不正詢問的部分後來如果經過調查確實確有歧視的話這個警方或者是檢察官可能都還要面對可能的跟根據事證或情節他有可能有責任有民事刑事或者是行政責任我們題目裡面提了很多針對這段時間受到不正詢問的侵犯的這個事情你都沒有明確去回答我們甚至還特別問你徵詢的內容是不是應該公開你也不回答 |
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有太多的該回答的東西沒有回答我其實有回答就是說申請的內容它是卷證的一部分它起訴之後它自然就會公開了在法庭上會公開的貝提琵人然後上面這個第二題這個我們特別提到說限訴法這個修正我們詳細的說明了我們這次修正的這個重點連全世界相關的都寫了我們特別請教你要你明確的表達意見 |
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說有沒有如賴清德總統在公告法律時候加注的容後有妨礙憲法法庭正常運作侵略了司法權力的核心範圍破壞了政府體制分立制衡的憲政正義要你回答明確的你是短短一句話 |
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我先明確跟你講現在我提的只是其中的一部分就是實題下來你跟其他的七位被提名的人你幾乎是相當少的一部分第二個你都是實問虛答這基本上在我們審查的過程裡面我們沒辦法很清楚看到你的主張 |
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我們為什麼要做問卷就是希望你把你的我們有十問每一個立場都非常清楚我們了解你的立場跟主張之後才能夠投同一票嘛 是不是這樣子是 謝謝委員委員這個部分我也可以口頭來補充這方面真的要補考啦來 再看看你現在要被提名為副院長嘛你是要這段時間台灣民眾對於司法的滿意度 |
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跟信任度是非常低的我們看一下美麗島電子報啊四月底那個給你們可以看一下政府有沒有選擇性辦案將近六成政府政治力有沒有介入檢調機關辦案將近六成政治力介入了司法案件你要現在當這個副院長對不對 |
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將近六成為什麼台灣民眾對於司法的不滿意不清這麼高 |
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台灣民眾對司法的信賴度不高我們確實有要深自檢討的地方當然有部分原因是因為我們覺得還要更加加強的跟民眾來做溝通然後我們自己就是要做到的就如同我剛剛提到的我們必須把公平正義當作我們說要投票給你你怎麼讓我們的司法信任度跟滿意度可以升高 |
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你要做什麼事情今天早上被院長被提名人說他痛加檢討如果他投票給你 你要怎麼做 |
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我剛剛已經提到說我們了解人民對司法的這個的鞭策跟期待是很深的而且不會停止的所以司法改革的腳步也從來沒有停止過然後所以我們一定會再加強相關的譬如說我剛才提到說這個要每一個法官把這個公平正義的這個精神當作他最重要的一個核心價值 |
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我來給你看一下你以前的經驗你當過刑事廳的廳長對不對民國105年11月21號到109年的2月2號你上任前啊大家對於法院的法官的不信任度是高的48.5可是在你上任之後更高啊隔一年還更高啊當然不能只有怪你一個人可是沒有看到你的承擔看到你的改革 |
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所以妳要加油啦謝謝妳就擔任了副院長之後真的是百惠待舉我們再看一下現在更嚴重的是連大法官都不被信任了從這次的國會改革一直到實質廢止這個事情太多的民眾對我們的大法官本來是高道德高標準的對不對現在很多人在馬路上都跟你講說搞不好這變成已經是政治的一個打手 |
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這是很嚴重的一個問題我來具體的事實上我們要不要投票給你我相信全國民眾要看你就看你的擔當你的獨立性跟公正性你有沒有擔當有一個發生在你跟你家人的為據實申報的這個案子我們看一下這個案子這個一共是24筆沒有據實去申報 |
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我看後來這個罰款處分監察院處分確定這個金額高達22萬高達22萬一共有24筆那現在這個監察院處分書裡面他直接寫說受處分人應該依照規定據實申報財產可是在申報102年12月31號財產的時候就應申報這財產項目沒有據實申報配我是你的先生是存款有9筆 |
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股票5筆基金受益憑證10筆 |
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怎麼會發生這麼嚴重的跟委員說明謝謝委員給我這個機會說明這件事情困擾我也很久了這個事情是發生在102年102年的時候當時的財產申報是用人工查詢、手工登錄的所以我配偶他給我的資料確實有遺漏剛剛委員提到說存款的部分存款的部分我們被查出來就是 |
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他本來常用的就是那三個帳戶但是後來查出來有14個帳戶我們自己都嚇到就是有一些可能已經放很久沒有用了那所以你剛剛提到說好像有11個帳戶沒有報沒有錯因為我們常用後來監察院說你經過你們受處分人所陳述的申報不實是理由他說不足採信對不對他認為是故意的申報不實我先給你看一個你應該認得林子儀林教授我們看一下 |
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林子儀林教授是在2007年他跟你一樣 他也被提名為副院長這個提名人一樣狀況 他也是配偶財產申報的他的狀況是什麼他是主動發現 他坦承疏失了然後呢他的金額比你多一點 他三次股票交易虧損然後他是已經信託給證件公司錢錢去處理的他後來做了一個決定婉拒了司法院副院長的提名 |
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你這邊看起來金額比他少一點點可是你是動態的而且是存款這看起來然後監察院認為說不採信你的嘛看起來有點嚴重跟委員報告監察院後面寫的是說他認為我是不確定故意他認為我的錯是在我沒有竭盡所能去發現被配偶的財產這樣子 |
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那我的配偶就這個部分他已經誠摯的跟我道歉他確實是他提供的資料是不夠完整的那我們在被發現了這件事情之後我們就立刻就是去做了補正然後也繳了罰款我們沒有再做任何的這個訴願林教授是因為這樣子他婉拒了副院長提名那你說你的先生是已經有道歉了你要不要利用今天這個公開的這個在地法院這個審訊 |
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這個審查你要不要公開跟民眾是不是要道歉?大法官是高標準、高道的我誠摯的道歉而且我在監察院後來採用電腦借機申報之後從事辦開始我們就全權授權從事辦開始我們就全權授權一直到現在就是我的態度是很明確的我知道我不夠完美但是我覺得我的專業表現值得給自己這樣一個機會好 |
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你是國民法官法很重要的推手很多人是肯定你的國民走進法院法官走下法台 |
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這個是國民法官法當初注定一個非常重要的一個特色他們說這是蔡英文總統任內最重要的一個司法改革那時候的院長是許仲麗他們說推動這個國民法官法起草這個草案就是由司法院著名的梅尼法官刑事廳長舒適兒一手主導推寫社會大眾對你推這個國民法官法是肯定的謝謝在開宗明義第一章開宗明義的第一章 |
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國民法官法講的是要提升司法的透明度第二個要反映國民正當的法律感情增進國民對司法之了解跟信賴彰顯國民的主權理念那如果是要推動司法改革司法的這個透明度法庭直播你應該是要贊成的可是我看你回來的回來的我們問卷回來的你設了一堆條件 |
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你贊成法庭直播嗎我再跟委員說明一下法庭直播的部分在6月27號三讀通過那三讀通過之後它是一個就是已經是一個法規範了理論上我們是抱歉我打斷你講話了 |
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你的精神你的初心應該是要推動整個公開透明嘛是對不對這兩個A是一致嘛從你推動國民法官法到法庭直播我現在懷疑的是說你的初心是不見了嗎為什麼你現在回來了問卷的答案跟民進黨的反對意見好像看起來不止70%相像欸你很多都是複製K上欸沒有欸很多是複製K上欸你剛才講你剛一開始自傳弄錯了你這個也是然後更嚴重的來你看一下 |
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你提到這個理由啊你說此外相關的媒體的自律網路平台規範還有待建立現在的媒體不夠自律嗎 |
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我跟委員說明這個是我們立法院在召開公聽會的時候就是有代表就是有公聽會有各界的代表來表達很多人的意見所以你把人家反對意見貼上來當你的意見我是提醒就是說在那個公聽會裡面曾經就事實省的直播有意見就是說有比較多的意見時間有限我問你一下所以在媒體自律這一塊如果有問題誰要負責NCC嘛對不對 |
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NCC委員到現在還被癱瘓啊沒有提是誰要負責任是誰要負責任我們是覺得說就是媒體或許可以再討論一個就是比較可行的方案行政院院長依法要提啊他到現在沒有提啊違法亂紀啊無法無天啊他大家癱瘓NCC啊你講的這個問題行政院要負責啊第二個你講說網路平台規範有待建立網路平台什麼有管誰管的 |
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網路平台 行政體系誰在管是不是數位部嗎數法部啊這裡面出現兩個大問題啊你知道問題 那應該去解決問題啊第二更重要的 你的初心是什麼公開透明嘛 對不對不要再只有推別人的反對意見我希望你可以很明確的支持法庭直播 |
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他就那個道德勇氣我相信所有的地方在同一陣營當的時候專練你專練是有的可是你的公共正義性、獨立性你的道德勇氣會是當他同一陣營當非常重要 |