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2024-11-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：11月25日(星期一)一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分。二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金—原住民族綜合發展基金。三、繼續審查原住民族委員會函送財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會及財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會114年度預算書案。四、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於不當黨產處理委員會單位預算。
備註：113年11月25日（星期一）、27日（星期三）、28日（星期四）【三天一次會】） |
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好,請主任秘書報告出席人數。報告委員會出席委員6人,已足法定人數。好,我們現在開始開會,進行報告事項,請宣讀上次會議議事錄。立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第11次全體委員會議議事錄,時間113年11月21日星期四上午9時6分至下午16時17分,地點紅樓202會議室,出席委員蘇巧慧委員等14人,列席委員葉元之委員等26人, |
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聯席官員﹐內政部部長劉世芳及相關人員﹐原住民族委員會政務副主任委員杜章梅莊及相關人員﹐農業部政務次長胡忠義及相關人員﹐經濟部綜合規劃司副司長許家麟及相關人員﹐財政部國有財產署專門委員章潔祐及相關人員﹐法務部參事廖江憲﹐國家科學及技術委員會產學及園區業務處副處長陳昭榕主席﹐許肇基委員新迎﹐ |
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報告事項宣讀上次會議事錄決定確定。討論事項審查國土計劃法修正草案及二十七案。討論事項合併詢答委員邱益穎等18人質詢,分別由內政部部長劉世芳及相關人員農業部政務次長胡宗一及原住民族委員會政務副主任委員杜章梅莊答覆說明。 |
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1992.637 |
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2013.674 |
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登記發言委員除不在場者外其餘均已發言完必詢答結束。委員丁學中、盧憲一等二人所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報。書面質詢及未請答覆部分請相關機關於一周內另以書面答覆並複製本會。決議一、第八條及第45條並同修正動議均予以保留。二、第七條修正通過修正條文請參院。 |
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三、第23條除第三項修正為前項規則中涉及原住民族土地及部落之使用管制者因應原住民族基本法第21條規定辦理,並由中央主管機關會同中央原住民族主管機關訂定外,其餘軍造委員鄭天才等18人提案通過。四、第35條修正條文請參閱。五、第40條不予修正維持現行法條文。 |
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六、審查通過之條文及相關法之用與授權主席及議事人員整理。七、審查完據擬拘審查報告提報院會討論需交由黨團協商並推請徐昭紀委員新營於院會討論時作補充說明。八、通過附帶決議六項。宣讀完畢。好,請問各位同仁上次會議議事錄有無錯誤?沒有。好,沒有議事錄確定。那我們繼續進行討論事項請宣讀。 |
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一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分。二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金——原住民族綜合發展基金。三、繼續審查原住民族委員會涵送財團法人——原住民族文化事業基金會及財團法人——原住民族語言研究發展基金會114年度預算書案。 |
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四、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於不當黨產處理委員會單位預算。宣讀完畢。好。本日議程所列討論事項預計本會期第8次全體委員會報告及詢答結束本次會議進行預算審查。首先我們介紹在場委員及列席官員。我們首先介紹我們網美會委員 |
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黃潔委員、牛虛廷委員、麥玉珍委員、盧憲毅委員。原住民族委員會主任委員鄭志勇財團法人原住民族文化基金會董事長馬拉歐斯 |
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財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長馬耀古木。四、繼續審查不當黨產處理委員會主任委員林峰鎮。五、繼續審查行政院主計總處公益預算處專門委員張家瑜。 |
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我們現在審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心、原住民族委員會主管作業基金、原住民族綜合發展基金、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會及原住民族語言研究發展基金會。請宣讀預算書及委員提案。宣讀完畢後我們再進行協商。 |
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2209.788 |
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114年度原住民族委員會稅入預算。第二款,罰款及賠償收入。第12項,原住民族委員會65萬元。第一幕,賠償收入65萬元。第四款,財產收入。第13項,原住民族委員會622萬元。第一幕,財產資期610萬元。 |
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2229.21 |
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第二幕費救物資售價4萬元。第七款其他收入第13項原住民族委員會3017萬元第一幕雜項收入3017萬元。 |
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稅出部分第二款行政院主管第八項原住民族委員會122億6709萬7千元第一幕一般行政3億1172萬3千元第二幕綜合規劃發展1億5052萬1千元 |
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第三目,經濟發展業務,1億6104萬9千元。第四目,土地規劃管理利用業務,1億277萬元。第五目,公共建設業務,16億4291萬5千元。第六目,輔助原住民族地區,6億4千萬元。第七目,促進原住民族經濟事業,28億1610萬元。 |
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八、第一預備金1,000萬元。九、原住民族教育推展30億2,891萬2,000元。十、社會服務推展30億2,227萬2,000元。十一、促進原住民就業3億8,083萬5,000元。 |
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114年度原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心稅入預算第二款罰款及賠償收入即使三項原住民族文化發展中心15萬元第一幕賠償收入15萬元第三款規費收入第八項原住民族文化中心2730萬3千元第一幕使用規費收入2730萬3千元 |
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第四款財產收入第14項原住民族文化發展中心126萬元,第一目126萬元。第七款其他收入第14項原住民族文化發展中心369,000元,第一目369,000元。 |
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最初部分第二款行政院主管第九項原住民族文化發展中心一億一千六百一十六萬元第一幕一般行政七千四百七十萬四千元第二幕藝術展演及文化推展業務一千八百六十五萬六千元第三幕公共建設及社會服務推展業務兩千兩百三十萬元第四幕地域備金五十萬元 |
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作業基金原住民族委員會主管原住民族綜合發展基金附屬單位預算。一、業務計劃部分因依據業務收支轉投資固定資產之建設改良擴充及資金運用等項之審查結果,隨同調整。業務收支部分業務總收入36億2568萬3千元業務總支出38億4669萬4千元本期短促2億2101萬1千元 |
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結繳公庫金額無劣數轉投資計劃部分無劣數固定資產資建設改良及擴充無劣數公庫增撥金額無劣數補辦預算部分無劣數 |
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原住民族委員會主管財團法人——原住民族文化事業基金會114年度預算。一、工作計劃部分因依據收入與支出審查結果隨同調整。二、收入支出及輿促部分收入5億6591萬元支出6億3784萬1千元本期短促7193萬1千元 |
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原住民族主管財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會114年度預算一、工作計畫部分因依據收入與支出審查結果隨同調整。二、收入、支出及輿出部分收入3102萬元支出3101萬元本期剩餘2萬元。繼續宣讀提案部分 |
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有關原住民族委員會提案,第八項計兩案為第一案至第二案,內容請委員參閱。第一目共計13案為第三案至第15案,請委員參閱。第二目共計47案為第16案至第62案,內容請委員參閱。第三目 |
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公計19案為第63至第81案請委員參閱內容。四、公計19案為第82至第100案內容請委員參閱。五、公計24案為第101至第124案內容請委員參閱。 |
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議案為第125案,內容請委員參閱。第七目為議案為126案,內容請委員參閱。第九目共計58案為第127到184案,內容請委員參閱。第十目共計16案為第185到第200案,內容請委員參閱。主決議部分共計24案為201案到224案,內容請委員參閱。 |
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有關原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心提案最入部分第三款規配收入共計三案為第一案至第三案內容請委員參閱最初部分第一幕一般行政共計三案為第四案至第六案內容請委員參閱第二幕 |
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公計六案為第七到第十二案,內容請委員參閱。主決議部分有兩案為第十三到第十四案,內容請委員參閱。有關原住民族綜合發展基金預算提案部分,業務收入為一案,請委員參閱。業務成本與費用部分,公計提案五案為第二到第六案,內容請委員參閱。關主決議部分,公計兩案為第七到第八案,內容請委員參閱。 |
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有關財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會提案部分收入部分委員無相關提案支出部分業務支出為一案請委員參閱主決議共計兩案為第二到第三案請委員參閱 |
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有關財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會預算提案部分收入部分委員無相關提案支出部分業務支出為第一共計五案為第一到第五案內容請委員參閱主決議部分為一案請委員參閱有關114年度中央政府總預算關於不當黨產處理委員會提案部分 |
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最初部分第一幕即六案為第一到第六案內容請委員參閱第二幕黨產處理業務共計二十案為第七案到第二十六案內容請委員參閱主決議部分共計四案為第27至第30案內容請委員參閱宣讀完畢 |
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好謝謝吼那本次會議議程所列有關處理114年度之預算吼我們原例吼統一做以下三點宣告第一有關各委員之提案為此討論聚焦依預算科目編排稅率部分以向為單位稅數部分原例處理到目之科目為原則提案委員如有提出凍結相關預算者除有委員會 |
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除有委員特別聲明意外解凍條件均依例改為向本內政委員會提出書面報告後,使得動之。處理預算提案時,如提案委員不在場,依召委會依共識該提案不再處理,為如該案於協商前相關部會已跟提案委員溝通完成,並將書面送至本委員會及依該溝通結果處理。以上宣告請問在場委員有異議。 |
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你這樣子感覺好像只是提書面,我覺得沒有意義。什麼東西提書面?你是說我們凍結的部分只要請他們提書面的話,我們就會解凍?沒有沒有沒有,不是喔不是喔。因為你剛剛用詞好像是這樣。沒有沒有,我再念一次喔。好,謝謝。 |
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提案委員如有提出凍結相關預算者,除有委員特別聲明意外,解凍條件均依例改為向本內政委員會提出書面報告後時的凍資,如果有委員特別提出意義。 |
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那個我們每一項提案如果要提凍結的時候基本上條件都會寫在最後面嗎?當然啊那就是以書面的條件為主嗎?我們就做這樣的確認不是你的意思是什麼?如果你有特別提出意義要協商結果這樣這個我跟你講我說的這個都是到我 |
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照我們內政委員會以前的...因為你有你的網歷,但我要確認一下嘛,我們是新科,因為我們在每一個這個預算審查的提案裡面都會寫解凍的條件嘛,有一些是要專案報告,有一些是要同意厚實的凍值等等,那你剛剛講的是說聲明意義厚才有條件,那請問寫在書面上算不算...算不算條件?我們就做一下釐清啦,我的意思是說應該是以這個書面提案為主嘛,是不是? |
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因為你的書面的提案裡面,到時候我們協商可能會改以協商結果為主啦。你懂我的意思嗎?以協商啊。如果協商當然有參加有審,當然是沒有問題。對啊,以協商結果啊。以協商結果為主。對啊對啊對啊,好不好?好,如果沒有異議那我們就通過。好,我們現在... |
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我們進行協商好不好我們先審原住民族委員會好不好因為我看有很多原住民的委員都在這邊了我們先審好不好好那我們開始好來稅出部分 |
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稅出部分大家都沒有意見?我們第一案、第二案那個高金委員? |
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我在這個裡面第二頁看一下那個他的那個委辦費就是我認為就是說人民會113年度他增加了6958萬4千塊成長的超過要一成我們認為非常的不合理你是不是要說明一下你增加那麼多的原因是什麼來請主委說明 |
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主要增加的是有三筆,就是愛部落寬屏的委外,還有原住民博物館未來籌備處的營運。 |
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還有就是遺跡部落還有這個族群主流化整體的預算增加委外的服務費也大概1500萬所以以上我們就是比這個今年都編列的這些機會那麼這三項工作都是要持續要做的工作尤其是那個原住民那為什麼不寫清楚 |
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三個月之內向我們內政委員會提出必須提高的必要性專案報告,同意之後才能動之。 |
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我跟委員報告可不可以不要剪裂就是因為這個不好意思一直以來原民會你們都是太多的委辦費了這個我非常的堅持謝謝這筆錢是真的是用在很很既然要用的話你們為什麼不寫清楚說明白而且呢我們等會審到後來我們會發現你們很多都是很會雲枝啊 |
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表示表示你們原民會的預算還不少有很多比如說水電費好了水電費你們明明沒有明明就是這個不夠結果呢你們還從別的地方融資你們好像很多很多的費用都可以從別的地方融資出來這個你們原民會真的要深切檢討所以這一次呢我們希望在你的委辦費裡面而且很多問題都出在委辦費 |
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所以委辦費裡面我們的建議是要解列5%、實動解列5%然後3個月之內然後跟我們內政委員會提出專案報告通知之後才可以動反正你也不急嘛好不好謝謝 |
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我以為這各處這個都分散在各處市齁這個這個部分而且像教育教育的這個這個博物館的啦還有這個我們那個就是遺跡部落都要做一些你們博物館沒有一下子要那麼多錢啦我們都知道啦對不是只有博物館啦還有最主要是那個那既然是這樣你們為什麼在114年度的預算裡面沒有寫清楚嗎為什麼 |
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請你們補充說明好不好我們今天不要浪費太多那麼多時間如果大家沒有意見如果就按照我的意見如果大家有意見的話那你們在待會補充說明好嗎謝謝 |
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主席 黃委員主席 我覺得剛才政委說的 我覺得要寫清楚說得好 因為說實在我剛才去看的時候也有一點 聽他這樣說 我覺得有理所以你們每次的議程限制 只要寫清楚 不然要怎麼審 |
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各位報告我們在這個計畫書的182頁以下都有寫清楚182頁以下對 |
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原住民族委員會出國計劃取消率及新增率均逾五成原住民族委員會出國的時間應該是固定的吧? |
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像我們最基本在鄉鎮辦活動也是一樣我今天要不要出去我已經規劃好不是說你有時候有有時候沒有那這樣子對未來人在結案在審計的時候有問題所以這個部分是請議員會就是像我說的一樣一個月內向立法院內政委員會提出專案報告同時來動之所以這個部分是這個意思 |
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主席,因為你要出去,你一年度應該都幾個月好了嘛,你不可能說臨時,想到就要來,想到就不要來,那你對幾個月來間隔,你幾個月是有問題啊。那以上。好,來,蘇喬惠會員。 |
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主席好 那我們也謝謝各位委員都認真的在監督預算的編列那我想是這樣啦確實大家都應該 原民會應該要把要怎麼做的事情這個報告要寫得更清楚委員才能夠了解也才能夠跟選民負責嘛所以在這個狀況下寫清楚是應該的所以我也同意說如果有哪些委員覺得原民會寫得不夠清楚要繼續要求這OK |
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要請他們提出書面報告最好是不是就往這個方向前進專案報告是比較嚴肅一點大家可以討論一下要不要到專案報告的程度但是以書面報告來加強說明我想當然是合理的狀況 |
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不過我想原民會的預算本來就已經在不多了,尤其我們經過前面幾個月,大家會從進法啦,從各式各樣都可以了解其實原民會要做的事情很多,要照顧族人的事項很多,但經費其實本來就已經相對是沒有那麼多的預算之下,那我們是不是可以考慮就如果他們說的好,我們是不是可以考慮今天在這裡我們就不要簡列了啦 |
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這個我個人是比較傾向於我支持要說明白講清楚把報告寫好不過真的原民會預算我們在看確實是沒有那麼多啦是不是大家可以考慮一下要怎麼做決定等一下了 |
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不是啦等一下那個委員我建議啦齁那個因為這是稅出整個的稅出嘛齁是不是我們先先最後再處理啦先我們先從第一幕各幕討論完也許就說不定比這個撿的更多 |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查 |
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請問各位委員有沒有什麼 |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查 |
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一、繼續審 |
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一、繼續審。二、繼續審 |
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主委在這邊經過民眾黨的黃國昌委員質詢的時候你也的確覺得是出了問題那所以呢在這個部分我們要簡列一百萬要凍結三分之一希望我們的原民會在三個月之內向立法院的內政委員會提出相關你們制度法制化的專案報告均同意之後才可以凍結以上我簡列的報告因為麥玉珍委員好像你們的 |
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對於這個部分是同樣的意見,對嗎?好,謝謝。好,謝謝主席。我們的意見一樣,但是我們是動10%啦。就是我們也是希望說我們的原住民委員會在3個月內要向我們提出書面報告,說明批判的具體的情形,還有資格。所以我們也是動了10%。 |
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就大概這樣子的說明,因為我們要書面去說明,我們也沒有來溝通,所以我們也是維持動詞派。還有沒有其他委員?民眾黨適當百分之十,那麼我其實也同意民眾黨的意見。好,謝謝。現在是整個第一幕都可以發言?當然當然,對對對。 |
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本席是針對我們這個基本行政工作他有講到什麼業務費底下檔案搬遷那這個支出過高用途不明所以我們也希望能夠跟內政委員會提出專案報告我們了解之後我們再來動之好說明以上 |
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最佳預算的時間。蘇委員主席因為現在原民會有正在跟前面的幾位委員在溝通那因為我想要先就這個我22案來這邊先做說明雖然它是等一下第二幕那我想因為就快到了趁他們溝通的時間我先講一下我的態度 |
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我的22案其實是蠻簡單的就是我上一次質詢過的部分就是我一直覺得原民會就如同我剛剛說的他的事務實在是太多光憑原民會一個單位其實我覺得是很辛苦的 |
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但同時正因為這樣他就應該跟各部會要加強溝通聯繫互動的能力所以有特別舉海洋發展的這個部分來尋求他跟海委會之間要有互動溝通的狀況同一個計劃其實可以兩個單位合作 |
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好那可是呢從我上次質詢完畢他們也說好好好會會會了之後那其實即便有來跟我們的辦公室溝通可是我覺得提出來的方向並沒有按照我們需求我們認為應該有的改進的方向改進的方向來提出 |
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一、繼續審 |
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所以這樣的部分我是覺得這個溝通的部分我是還沒有辦法接受所以我22案的部分現在是有一個凍結預算50案我是希望繼續維持我的案子要提出書面報告也就是我從質詢時候要求的是同樣的道理書面報告提出之後使得凍結那同樣的道理我的136案也是一樣的狀況也一樣是質詢過的部分我也是希望能夠提出這個有改進方向 |
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審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金—原住民族綜合發展基金。四、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金—原住民族綜合發展基金。 |
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我還是繼續維持我凍結的意見謝謝高軍委員非常謝謝蘇巧惠委員可能他待會巧惠你待會要說你先講第二幕對不對好沒關係好謝謝那我現在我們還是回到第一幕來第一幕的第五頁我剛剛已經說完了是政務人員的待遇那大家看一下第11頁跟第12頁第11頁就是在他業務費裡面的水電費 |
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這個就是我剛剛說的在112年、113年也好我們的原民會一直以來在他的水電費裡面他是跟我講啦但是我不接受他是跟我講說他們都把那個水電費寫得很少 |
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但是寫得很少但是他們的支出卻很多所以很奇怪莫名其妙原民會你們應該是每年的水電費支出多少你們應該就很清楚嘛怎麼可能會寫得那麼不清不楚然後在114年我們看到你的水電費居然升高了那麼多然後 |
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每天幾乎增加了一萬塊,要付的水電費是一萬塊。所以我認為原民會你們主計單位、你們主計處,你們是不是很奇怪?主計處,你跟我來說明一下,為什麼你們往年的水電費都可以寫得那麼少,但是你們實際是出了那麼多,然後在今年你們可以寫那麼多,這是什麼意思? |
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主席單位,你可以說明嗎?還是主委你說明一下?報告立法委員大聲一點好嗎?我們聽不太清楚好,那個跟委員做說明那以往我們為什麼水電費都沒有辦法編組實際上是因為近三年來整個電費調漲幅度已經超過30%那行政院考量到整個電費的 |
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一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。五、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。六、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。 |
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這樣子告訴我們是會漲電價的意思是不是?因為我們這三年來其實我們編明年度的預算其實是核實在編列啦那你為什麼我現在問你就是以前為什麼不核實編列?因為以前沒有預算可以編列所以所以我們都沒有預算編列沒有預算編列那你們是怎麼樣處理的?你們是從哪裡哪裡拿出這些錢來雲支你的水電隊?我們從一般行政的業務費裡面去做流用 |
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那以後往年是不是要寫好?對,我知道。對,我們會檢討。哇,原民會你們很誇張哦。我相信大家都在笑了。光新進的委員都覺得在笑了。可以這樣啊。原民會,所以我剛剛就講說為什麼今年特別看你們的預算?因為你們連水電費都可以從一般行政裡面去融資耶。而且這是每年要給的錢耶。對,我們會檢討,所以我們明年都核實來做一個編列。你是主計單位嗎?我是秘書室主任。 |
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主席有沒有來?主席?委員好,是。應該妳來跟大家說明吧?可以這樣子嗎?委員跟妳報告一下,因為往年的部分呢,確實就是他們可能在計劃排列的部分。他們?應該是妳吧?對對對,是我們。怎麼叫他們?抱歉,就是我們原民會在編列的時候,確實一直以來呢,有關預算那個水電費的部分,一直以來確實是編的比較不足。那可能原則上都是優先計, |
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支應計劃,但事實上水電費我們在支應的時候是按照整個大樓的管理費去做分攤所以它其實是有一定的分攤基礎那這三年來呢其實水電費已經漲了大概30%所以其實呢我們在整個支用上面單體上的幅度其實就是跟著水電費的幅度去做同比例其實沒有什麼大變化那所以今年是因為就像剛剛秘書室主任報告的在114年度的時候 |
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行政院有特別徵付給我們水電費因為看到我們這個數字確實是偏低所以今年有徵付我們就把它核實編列再加上明年其實還有一個地方就是原博館因為明年會有原博館的籌劃在原博館籌劃之後它其實也會有它的水電費需要支援因為它是一個博物館所以它的水電費相對也必須要納列進來所以今年的水電費其實又包含了一大塊是屬於原博館以上跟委員做說明 |
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你能不能再寫清楚一下好不好文字上給我說清楚因為我們在裡面上面看的話是真的是你高出了三、四倍以上那我可不可以再問你一個問題為什麼往年那個主計處不給你們編合編組你們有跟主計單位說明你們的痛苦嗎你們實際上是交那麼多但是他不給你編列那麼多 |
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因為我是老公務員 |
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他剛剛主席主任講的沒有錯啦他就是一個額度給你 |
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二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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對不起我的第11頁跟第12頁這個都是在一般事務費裡面的那剛剛講到的水電費我們請這個原民會的主計單位你給我說清楚書面的說清楚其實呢往年一直以來行政院的主計單位並沒有編組水電費預算給你們對不對 |
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二、繼續審 |
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按照這種水電費的東西行政院的主計單位應該要核實的告訴你們編了多少明年應該要也不會超出這個很大的範圍嘛應該要給你們嘛 |
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不是說每次給你們那麼少然後你們要從別的業務費去挪資嘛這個就是我一直在跟你們說的你們原民會有那麼多錢可以從哪裡雲來雲去嗎然後行政院表面上又說給我們原住民原民會很多預算你們不覺得好像在穿小鞋嗎今天我們原住民的立委在幫你們講話耶所以主委 |
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我要你們的主計單位把往年的水電費沒有編足給你們要用文字化具體寫出來然後以後都不可以這個樣子 |
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可以嗎?那如果這個部分可以這樣子的話,那我同意你們用書面。另外再來就是一般事務費裡面的搬遷費用,搬遷費用你們也增加了400多萬,那請問一下搬遷什麼東西?為什麼增加那麼多? |
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跟立委委員報告,那增加這個一般書費425萬7千,主要有三個部分,兩個部分,第一個就是大樓管理費的部分,那這個部分我們是按照我們各進駐機關持分的這個面積的比例,像我們的話是……這也是往年都有啊對,那就是以前也是沒有編組,所以…… |
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所以我們面積是4923每坪200元所以會不會很奇怪大家今天在看你們仔細看你們的預算以後會發現應該要編族的行政院不給你編族 |
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二、繼續審二、繼續審 |
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你們有像我這樣子跟行政院的主計處說嗎?他不給你嗎?報告委員,原則上我們在爭取的時候呢那個重要的我們都會列在計畫上面那當然行政院他會有他的考量然後核給我們一定的額度 |
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我再問妳,妳回答的不一樣耶。我再問妳,妳們有沒有告訴他說,OK,我們多出來的這些行政大樓的一些搬那個費用啊等等啊,是我的水電費,請妳把這個核實的給我。有沒有講過這句話?應該是說我們在報額度給行政院的時候,我們上面是用計劃的項目來列。計劃項目,那我為什麼在你們的預算裡面沒有看到這個,妳給行政院的這個那麼詳實的計劃? |
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因為預算書是已經整編過的,那提額度是依照行政院的額度的那個表件,是依照它的規範的規格去提報。我知道,但是你們有問題啊,你們有問題啊,你們長年以來就是這樣子嗎? |
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所以114年度我要求你們以後不可以再這樣子這兩筆我可以讓你們用書面來好不好但是往後不可以如此一定要告訴組織單位這個要核實給我而不是讓我們從你這樣子的話我們都會覺得原民會很多錢欸你們都可以從別的地方去雲之喔那還好我們今天看得很細是需要的我們等一下會看到不是很細的你們也雲之喔 |
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二、繼續審政委員如果要發言的話就發言。 |
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那我是建議就是說因為現在凍結的額度除了高金蘇美委員的凍結的額度還有民眾黨的凍結的額度是不是我們能夠凍結是不是 |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
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我們是維持凍結10% |
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對,就是,對,對啊,對,所以,一般,一般對,對 |
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主委的特別預算我們也是有在簡略簡略這個部分我們也有在我們的書面這邊有寫這個我們堅持這兩個謝謝蚊仔那個蚊仔委員 |
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我們給政委員都說了啦他也是資深的啦我們尊重給他的面子我們尊重他一下啦 |
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因為他剛上任,主任委員剛上任,特別費先...好啦,我們是不是就...這樣子吧,因為我在第五案也有啦我是一般行政的人員維持費、人事費還有政務人員的待遇 |
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我簡列100萬然後凍結三分之一然後尤其是這個這個祖群委員的部分我相信祖群委員部分主委你應該認為也有一點缺失對吧所以呢凍結簡列你100萬應該不會影響很多凍結你這個三分之一也不會很多希望你們來到大院裡面來到我們那個內政委員會裡面來說明一下好不好好 |
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我會再跟委員說明是跟我們所有的委員說明尤其民眾黨黃國昌委員對於族群委員是非常有意見的我已經比麥玉珍委員少了很多了這是我非常堅持如果你們有意見的話我們就堅持麥玉珍委員的 |
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不會,我們也有跟賣衣服委員說明我們就讓你們有說明啦但是在第一幕裡面就請大家能夠堅持我就是減略一百萬,凍結三分之一三分之一不多啦其實他的那個整個三億一千一百多嘛他總共在第一幕裡面總共一般行政費是三億多嘛對啊,那我們凍結三分之一的話是不是對啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
一、繼續審 |
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二、繼續審 |
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不是你整幕動一千萬你根本動不到族群委員我覺得你如果要其他要包我覺得OK但是我覺得有幾個重點的東西你要獨立處理可不可以這樣如果可以這樣我覺得比較好商量老大我意思是說現在這一幕比較大的爭議對於族群委員是一部分所以這部分我們要獨立有一個說法我們會遇到時你再說大家會 |
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那不然我是覺得那族群委員這一派我是覺得不然你就第一個是看最後法律審法律處理的結果 |
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4744.919 |
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我只有在719萬4千萬,在原民族委的特質費裡面減一百萬,然後在這個700多萬裡面凍結一百萬。 |
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4791.517 |
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主席,您現在的參訪跟我們也有意見,我們說一下好不好?我們是不是要做一下?因為您參訪有意見的,在這我也要...這個政務人員的待遇是不是他的心碎?因為我講實在的,您這個原住民 |
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| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
主委跟副主委 |
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4844.967 |
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為什麼不寫清楚一點,有疑問,你們要跟他們解釋清楚一點。因為像你現在說,我們看的,我是說政府人員的待遇,待遇是特別會。這是聽察的地方,我要說喔。特別會是這個候派書要寫出來的錢耶。對阿咧。 |
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4858.708 |
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不是啦!不是說不能刪!你們要說清楚、講明白!特別會!各管制各主管也有特別會!對吧?以上! |
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4861.77 |
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早晚謝謝!特別會!像這些都不拿出來看!對啊!還要做誰騎喔?還要跟我們說話? |
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4884.042 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
我直接講齁? |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
4898.544 |
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4920.388 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
那各位委員、各位同仁那我們就整幕第一幕一般行政我們整幕凍結兩千萬所有委員的提案並按處理然後專案報告後使得動之有沒有意見好那我們第一幕就這樣處理好謝謝大家那我們來第二幕 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
4922.421 |
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4933.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
主席,第2部會議中綜合規劃時本席在此順有講過,我們改名時原住民去獲證改名給人請示,我認為長久以來,我們原民會沒有積極本席跟他們討論這件事。 |
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4949.712 |
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阿嬤說要怎麼做,是不是我們的單位開工節,好不好?因為我是覺得凍結我們的預算一百萬齁 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
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4983.442 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
剛剛委員說明就是確實這幾年都有因為原住民的姓名而遭到歧視的這個事件所以我們後來查出這個原因應該主要就是因為主流社會對原住民族的這個傳統姓名的認知不夠所以接下來我們已經跟內政部會合作去製作這個原住民傳統名字的指引 |
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4984.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
5010.66 |
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那另外我們也會跟這個與法會合作就是把這個原住民的傳統名字它的意義到底是什麼因為我們看到比如說像吉利吉勞公冠或許它背後有它的意義那我想主流社會一旦了解了它背後的這個意義跟它的文化內涵之後呢應該會減少這樣的一個狀況來減少這樣狀況的發生所以我們這邊所編列的這筆預算主要的目的就是希望能夠透過這筆預算去達成這個社會溝通的一個目的 |
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5014.161 |
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5019.764 |
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因為我認為溝通是溝通,我認為要積極,因為在這裡我動輒一百萬,是希望你們趕緊做在這個國會以來,向我們內政提出要怎麼去改善、要怎麼去做的執行規劃裡面。 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
5036.929 |
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5063.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
醫療才會使得動之啦因為我感覺說長久以來我沒看到你們有積極的做法醫生謝謝謝謝委員非常謝謝高金委員先的好不好不好意思高金委員我可以請中規處您大概跟大家說明一下中規處現在所有的員額你們做的事情你跟大家說明一下好不好因為現在有一些新進的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
5065.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
5065.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
二、繼續審 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
5085.143 |
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5111.605 |
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你來說明一下你們有多少人?好,跟委員報告,我們目前中規處的員額是38位,然後我們總共分成四個科,應該從四個科可以比較知道說我們目前在推動的工作。我們的第一科就是綜合規劃及管制考核科,那它主要負責的工作是這個我們的整個政策規劃還有我們的計劃的管考,還有再來就是我們的這個都市地區原住民族發展方案。 |
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5112.806 |
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其他的一些內部的管考作業。第二是資訊科。資訊科除了原民會內部資訊系統的維護之外,也負責兩個比較大的中產人計畫,一個是愛部落的計畫,另外一個就是智慧治理的計畫,那就是資訊科。 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
5138.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
5146.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
法治科主要負責原住民族自治法案的研擬、職端同意辦法執行、修正、平埔族群法案的研擬、其他所有跟原民有關的法案。總共多少人?38 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
5165.276 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
5191.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
三十八人在座,然後你們在這個節目裡面你們有1.5億對不對?是。好,所以呢我在第29頁裡面對於原住民族日的委辦有很大的問題。你們光是這個你們就編了500萬了對吧?是。請問一下原住民日要提供社會大眾應該要有什麼樣的一個概念?我們是希望說透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
5192.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
5220.114 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
你們是委辦給人家就委辦了嗎?還是你們會要求他們要達到什麼樣的KPI?為什麼長期以來我們原住民的原教跟教育部跟社會大眾做了這麼多的努力我們那麼多的歧視、唯歧視還是存在我們只有在運動場合的時候才會發現原住民是很優秀的包括昨天的世界冠球賽我們就有13位是原住民的族人了 |
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5220.974 |
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5243.668 |
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但是,這是值得高興的,是拍手。但是呢,在我們的一些法案,在我們一些的這個應該要有的一些爭取,包括我們的禁法補償的時候,社會大眾還是不太了解原住民族為什麼一個月要有五千塊的,也就是一年要六萬塊。然後剛開始的時候引起了很多的對原住民的不了解。 |
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5258.664 |
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也還好我們是凍結了這個整個預算所以大家才會了解經法補償到底是怎麼回事還有緊接著下來你的中規處還要辦理非常多的業務只有30多個人所以你們一直以來都是委辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
5275.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
你們感覺長期以來只要把錢尾巴給別人就OK了就沒事了你們從來也不會覺得說這個錢到底合不合理到底得到的KPI是什麼到底有沒有解決上社會大眾對原住民的歧視跟偽歧視 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
5276.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
5292.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
你是不是應該檢討一下中規處或者是主委?好,我跟你補充報告一下這個原住民日特別在今年的原住民日我特別要求每一次都只有鄉鎮長、區長來而已我特別加了議員一定要來 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
5293.792 |
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5309.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
代表會主席一定要來要讓他們了解整個不是只有我們行政人員知道知道怎麼運作錢怎麼做你民意代表不讓他知道說比如說中央的經費下到縣裡面去到底縣裡面不是只有原民處喔也有在也有在社會處也有在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
5311.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
5311.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
一、繼續審。四、繼續審 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
5341.169 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
5367.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
這兩個是非常重要的那你們認為應該怎麼跟教育部跟文化部來合作因為教育部、文化部也謝謝委員過去都有一個平台我們透過這個平台其實我們跟教育部、文化部有經常的這個合作我們也有一些默契可是在原住民日裡面並沒有啊那例如博物館各大博物館請問一下我們原住民日大概是幾月幾號8月1號 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
5369.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
5392.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
能不能在8月份或是7月份的時候就廣為宣傳讓大家知道8月1號的由來是什麼?為什麼要有原住民日?因為我們都只看到你們在宣傳什麼你知道嗎?這個等一下政委會會講你們都不把原住民為什麼在日據時代開始的那一段歷史過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
5393.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
5421.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
我們的政府都已經切割了原住民的轉型而原民會你們卻不把原住民的轉型把它擴大到年限所以為什麼會有1624我一直在宣導教育部我們不是只有1624啊長期以來原住民遭受到的不公平跟歧視就是一直如此啊一直到現在啊才會有那麼多的孩子要加分大家都認為不應該加分 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
5424.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
5435.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
那麼多的一個月當中不是在廣為宣傳蔡英文跟原住民道歉了跟我們和解了道歉什麼?和解什麼? |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
5436.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
5457.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
那道歉和解完了之後接而下來的就是在法案就要推動了啊是不是要往前邁進我們一直以來編了這麼多的錢我們感覺到你們只是委辦給某個人來辦然後就解決了甚至於主委很不好意思我要這樣講你你說原住民是人也是鬼 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
5460.583 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
5488.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
這個話真的不應該在你...等一下等一下我知道我是好意我沒有...這個話我沒有去扭曲四人四隊原住民...你看民會都說不應該了你是原民會的主委而且曾經待過我們屏東的文化中心的主任你對於原住民的文化的解釋你要更加小心你如果是在私底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
5488.979 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
5507.555 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
我沒有意見,因為原住民本來就是比較能夠調侃自己。那我們的原住民的祭典也的確是在跟祖靈溝通。但是你不能夠用簡單的一句話在一個運動的場合就說我們原住民也是人、也是鬼。 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
5508.736 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
5535.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
這句話引起了我們泰雅主任非常大的反彈你知道嗎所以你要檢討要反省一下你身為原民會的主委你曾經是屏東文化中心的主任你站在任何一個場合講話你要特別的注意你可以說我們今天這個活動是在追思祖先我們也許不是追思祖先但是一直以來我們有一盆火是 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
5535.518 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
5535.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
三、繼續審 |
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5566.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
5589.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
我同意美惠說你要凍結一百萬嘛,對不對?很容許我在這邊講得比較冗長一點,因為這個的確是攸關到原住民未來對於全民為原教、全台灣到底理地不理解,或是全世界對於台灣原住民、台灣族人的文化價值、內涵了不了解,非常的重要。雖然他只有五百萬, |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
5590.768 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
5613.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
那我當然也不願意刪除掉所以呢我這裡本來是凍結500萬啦那我覺得既然剛剛主委你已經清楚知道你要調減方向你要跟中央部會然後你們應該要事先來討論那一個月當中中央、學校、文化部要如何一起來整合辦理一個僅僅只有500萬的活動讓他 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
5617.388 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
5641.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
大一點讓它外加效益更大這是中規處你們要去努力的所以我說中規處你們不是只有每次辦南島文化節啦你們自己在本島在台灣的我們原住民的文化都沒有辦好了你們一直在向外我真的覺得是很奇怪的一件事情所以我要花比較多的時間在這個議題上講我要提醒你們把本業做好你們的人已經不多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
5646.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
5670.608 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
審查本月做好我可以同意凍結剛剛秘書會說一百萬那我就凍結一百萬但是我們必須你要來做一個專案報告因為這很重要我要用專案報告我要真的瞭解原民會中規處你們到底要跟中央部會要跟地方怎麼來做我們114年度的這個原住民日好嗎以上我很堅持謝謝好謝謝等一下那個黃婕瑋先的好不好黃瑋 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
5676.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
5700.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
好,我也認同啦,主委在這個事情上面應該發言要特別小心,不要這樣容易被斷章取義,該說明的應該要完整的說明。那我講一下我的提案,因為在中規裡面其實有一筆是健全原住民族的法治經費,那我們也知道說其實行政院人權處在今年5月的時候有公告《反歧視法》裡面, |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
5701.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
5701.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
二、繼續審三、繼續審 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
5726.331 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
5749.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
的業務才對所以我希望這個你們應該要好好的來做報告跟說明那補充之後我們再來凍結再來解除凍結好謝謝這個是不是跟委員報告我們有提出跟委員報告因為當時行政院在研擬這個反歧視法草案的過程當中有有徵詢各部會的意見當時我們也提出從原住民的角度提供一些意見 |
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5750.47 |
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那當然後來就是行政院他所提出的草案裡面因為他們後來就是用族群這個詞來整合我們原民會所提出的意見所以他有提出目前人權處跟我們政院版的反歧視法你們都認同嗎我們當然希望可以再更強化一點對原住民對阿所以這個是希望你們應該要善盡你們表達意見的責任這也是你們的工作好不好 |
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讓主委知道過去8年來原住民族自治的經費已經編了包括114年度的話就4000多萬 |
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事實上是不需要的雖然蔡總統說這個105年8月1號說會很快的把原住民族自治法送到立法院結果都沒有連嚴明會都沒有送我要讓主委知道站在你旁邊的姚柏水用處長他當科研的時候就完成草擬了原住民族自治法不用花一毛錢的 |
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所以花4000多萬是不需要的所以明年的這些經費全部作為對整個原住民族的政策制度有幫助的 |
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不要去做那些大內宣、大外宣然後結果都沒有意義沒有幫助的好不好那個我支持那個高金素美委員剛才講的那個就凍結一百萬了好了,總要報告,以上然後再來是吳立華委員 |
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好,謝謝主席在第二幕這個地方我有三個43、45、第52那這個部分我大概也已經有請他們來做說明那我這邊43案是測案52案是測案那45案的話是該組決議 |
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中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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在這裡我也透過很多次的質詢甚至是院會的總質詢就是不斷表達關於我們很多土地關於舊部落的增化邊或者是有一些地區的地權問題這個都是長年的問題所以我有特別特別要求說要趕快來處理 |
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自治相關作業重規處在總質詢時院長有回應 |
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原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金 |
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自己做過原轉會的委員所以長年也都在那個地方呼籲推動所以我想這個自治示範點也有得到原民會的一個允諾會找兩到三個另外我也是特別要求 |
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就是部落公法人至少要重新開啟分區座談因為我常常講原住民自治要推動但是大家的想像不一一直沒有共識連要自治的事項是什麼或者是大家要怎麼做所以我也就是透過這個部分強烈要求部落公法人要有事半點所以在這個部分大概很多的法治作業的相關推動 |
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二、繼續審二、繼續審 |
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一、繼續審 |
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我覺得你們就是要做出成績要拿出這樣的一個決心還有執行力該做的要做不能夠成為每一次我們質詢或者是每一次在這個地方去做審查的時候不斷不斷被拿出來講那我覺得下一次如果還是這樣那就真的要大三了希望原民會加油謝謝 |
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好 請入委員好 謝謝主席最主要是我這邊是第二幕的54案看一下那我就為什麼會提這個就是10月份的時候我有參加南島嶼的那個十國青年禮秀的一個開學典禮啦或者是結訓典禮可是我有問他們說你們剛才在哪一個單位他們說他們去參訪了原民會 |
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結果他們來立法院的時候沒有文明會的人來陪同我覺得很奇怪你既然是在推動國際事務你也沒有跟外交部做很好的連結這些學生跑到來立法院拜訪的時候你們也沒有派人來你們到底在重視什麼畢業典禮的時候我去的時候也只有一個不知道是你們的科長還是什麼那我總覺得你跟南寶嶼國家 |
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來交流的時候我們應該站在主導的地位因為我們就是南島有國民族的人啊你外交部如果來主導這件事情的話你應該要積極參與結果你們就等於是等於是完全是外交部在主導給你編這個錢幹嘛呢然後第二個就是說他們在表演的時候如果是很好的一個畢業典禮的話應該是我們原住民歡迎去來表演 |
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結果他們是請當地台北市一個也不是原住民的人在跳一個大西地的舞你不覺得很似不像嗎?所以我是覺得說我們今天做到在推展國際外交因為說我們是南島民族的起源可是你在做這件事情的時候沒有站在主導的角色的時候覺得這個經費真的是要好好的來審查好不好? |
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這個部分跟委員說明就是我們那個太平洋島國青年領袖來台灣的時候確實他們整體的行程是外交部安排那但是他們有來拜會原民會然後後來我們也安排了三天有到那個屏東跟台東的部落去做參訪所以其實原民會在這裡面是有扮演角色的 |
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那另外委員所提到的那個開幕跟閉幕齁我們開幕的時候是邀請臺灣原住民的舞團去為他們做一個開幕的表演那結束的時候應該委員參加結訓的時候嘛是大西地的所以其實我們兩邊南島語族的兩個地方都有邀請跟委員說明謝謝 |
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就預算的部分我還是堅決是要凍結20%希望你們有做一個明年度的規劃一個生命報告來給內政委員會我們來討論謝謝 |
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主委,我有請你們說明,你們才說明,不是你自己說明好不好,要尊重我們立法院好不好。然後,現在是輪到吳啓明委員,不好意思。主席,我們一位同仁,針對我們的中規發展處,它所編列的一億五千多萬, |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六 |
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原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金 |
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博留原本沒有原名字典 |
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你們在那邊替他編這個原名字典這個部分用途不明而且沒有實際需求所以我們減列50萬那另外在第21案的部分我們是特別針對原住民社宅興建進度太過緩慢太過緩慢所以我們希望這個 |
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二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金。三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金。四、繼續審查 |
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我們對於原住民、原民會對於這個現在捕獵臺灣猕猴、山羌、梅花鹿這些盜獵的新聞一直都有那因為這些東西這些行為都應該要經過主管機關的核准那但是這些案件都沒有經過主管機關核准我們覺得 |
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原民主管機關有失職之餘,所以預算凍結10%。三、繼續審第三十九案有關原住民族智慧治理和智慧科技部落生活環境應用模式。 |
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前面三年你們都一直進行資料彙整這麼多錢五千多萬你彙整資料彙整三年我都沒有看到任何成效所以這個部分我們覺得原民會應該要加速工作進行而且要讓我們看到你真的有如你所預期的這個執行的成果出來提出整個改善方案做專案報告之後我們才考慮是否解凍 |
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6457.118 |
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接著第59案,59案的部分就是有關宣傳我們也發現這個很多宣傳費用編了但是我們都沒有看到實際的你這種特別好像這個118.7萬你都只有講說刊登在各個平台管道但是沒有任何的剛剛高金委員也說都沒有任何的KPI所以 |
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我們看到你刊登廣告次數但是具體的效益我們沒有看到這個宣傳效益太低所以我們也是凍結你這個是2000多萬我凍結你118.7萬提出專案報告之後我們再來看是否解凍再來還有第60案 |
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六十案就是簡略的最後61案61案的部分也是我們網站網站的部分我們看到你整個網站你都沒有想說我們一般有網站或有任何宣傳的平台我們都希望使用人次我們要去了解而不是只是 |
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消耗預算但是我其實都沒看出成果所以這個部分我們希望也能夠有專案的說明把我們整個論壇的你這個使用人次、服務品質、調查方案以及你達成你所要達成的目標需要的時間你能夠提出具體的計劃那專案報告之後我們再考慮是否可以動之以上謝謝 |
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6539.926 |
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主席請高經委員先的高經委員 |
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主席抱歉吼我建議吼因為現在大家好像就是第二幕裡面就通通講完了這樣子吼那對對對我們可不可以這樣子就是因為縱使是第二幕吼但是他還是有分一下有分比如說呃我的第41案我們還是還沒有講到南島吼那有委員已經講到南島了那我就不知道要怎麼跳是不是我們就是雖然是第二幕我們還是按照案案案子 |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、 |
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6606.389 |
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那個原民會的中規處你們有講了齁你們真正的其實主要業務在法治上面對不對請那個處長我們在法治跟綜合規劃還有資訊還有國際 |
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對,非常多嘛。法治其實就是屬於內部原住民的事務嘛。那我們一直來談到的原住民的都原條例、屠海法、原住民自治法、部落公法人等等的,都是在你的處裡面要來處理。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
二、繼續審 |
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法制部份是五個人所以你們有很多其實要跟行政院講的就是你們的原額到底足不足有那麼多的法我剛剛一直說都是從原運時代就開始在講的為什麼一直以來沒有辦法從行政院送出來這些法規然後所以我的建議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
6680.934 |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查 |
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時間放在出國啊剛剛就要待會又要談到你們的南島的計畫了你們本業務不做好一直在做別他的外交部的業務文化部的業務你們很奇怪欸所以我先在第41案裡面提這個部分來看請問一下其他的委員在這個部分有沒有其他的相關的提案不好意思謝謝 |
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6749.701 |
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我跟各位委員報告我們內政委員會我們以前都是整幕大家都可以發言而且這樣子考他們考試他們才會這樣不然你就一個一個來他們我們要考試我們從以前內政委員會就是這樣要給他們考試不照題目來的好不好來換王委員 |
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主席,在此我要來請教說,我有提出35案,因為凍結一百萬,在這裏面生化原住民的智慧治理計劃裏面,這種是適當適當,但我看沒什麼作為沒打緊,這是改兩年,現有的建構新的生化。 |
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6791.183 |
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跟我要請教說,你們未來怎麼做,搞不好前一陣子,這四天是,我看你們的資料,我覺得做了不滿意,是不是可以在就這個時間補充一下,以上。 |
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6816.707 |
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6818.512 |
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主席,現在你沒有叫他們講話,他們不敢講話。 |
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主席,看待會要做一次解說,大家都很忙,要做一次來,還是怎樣?都會三天,看你要求。主席,我拜託你回應一下。 |
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跟委員報告就是我們這個建構原住民族智慧治理計畫它第一期的四年計畫主要是要我們先去盤點這個原住民族再提出政策過程當中所碰到的一些痛點因為我們後來發現就是說我們很多原住民族的相關資料它其實是分散在除了原民會之外其他部會甚至地方政府它都有一些基礎的資料在那個地方所以我們是希望透過這個 |
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智慧治理平臺建制,把相關數據收集起來。四、建立決策機制,例如設立文化健康站,需要部落點位、GPS、人口資料、健康資料,包括點位附近的安全等資料,整合起來之後, |
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當我們要做文件站的設立的選點的時候呢,我們只要進入這個智慧治理系統裡面,它可以馬上把這些數據展現出來,那我們就可以知道說,我們按照我們的數據來看的話,這個地方是不是適合來設置這個文化健康站。那我們在第一年,第一期四年裡面,我們基本上已經完成了這個基本的一個架構的一個建置,然後也把一些資料都已經匯整過來。 |
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那也跟委員特別報告一下為什麼我們要花這麼長的時間去收集資料主要是因為各部會跟地方政府的這個資料的格式標準不一樣所以它變成在借接的時候會有一些困難所以我們花了一點時間去處理這個借接的問題 |
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二、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
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這資料做更多元的運用讓我們的原民會甚至說將來可以開放給提供資料的那些機關在做原民政策決策的過程當中它有一個充分的數據支持所以我們第二期是希望朝向這樣的一個目標去前進 |
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主席,剛才他這樣說,我也希望他們的書面上來,讓大家看看我的意見,覺得要有作為,因為四檔四檔喔,不是跟四檔你跟這個簡單說而已,在本事所看,覺得這四檔沒做得很好,是不是可以書面上來跟各位, |
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我這邊有在這個項目裡面辦理碎石記憶價的宣傳費120萬我想要了解一下碎石記憶的價從什麼時候開始執行 |
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請說明,從什麼時候開始有可以請稅時計價?可以開始請稅時計價的時間...它是一百...一百零三年的時候可以開始請稅所以已經執行十幾年的東西為什麼你還要再編這個宣傳的費用?在場的原住民的朋友應該也都知道我們稅時價可以請價嘛那為什麼我們要再花一百二十億宣傳說這是要宣傳給向誰宣傳? |
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我們覺得這個主要是因為原住民都知道這件事情但是有很多僱主他不曉得甚至說他不曉得要怎麼給假這件事情因為我以前的經驗就是我們有參加祭典的話我們都有邀請函公所或是縣府或是一般來講連甚至村裡面他都會提供一些邀請函或是一些公文他都可以請假的啊那為什麼這個東西還要再花120萬去所以本期這邊是建議這個要刪掉啦因為我實在不太了解為什麼這個還要再旋轉 |
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因為我們確實還有很多狀況就是說僱主不給假的情形所以我們希望說能夠透過這個方式一方面也要讓原住民知道說如果僱主不給假你有哪些救濟的管道那另外就是我們也希望就是說僱主能夠確實依據這個依法來給假謝謝我想這個其他委員應該很多意見我們聽聽看其他意見 |
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我搞不好記得比你還清楚啊 |
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二、繼續審二、繼續審二、繼續審 |
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你除非只有原民台單獨處理原民台單獨處理本來就有預算可以做所以我覺得你額外在編這個預算真的是跌床駕屋的嫌疑是很大而且你這個預算以前也沒有編過突然之間跑出來編剛剛建民委員會講很有道理你103年就開始有碎石記憶架然後跟大家又相關其實該放早就放了如果到現在還沒有放那是僱主的問題嘛你應該是思考的是怎麼裁罰僱主讓他們可以守法嘛 |
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而不是說我還是再去做軟性的宣導都已經走10年了還在軟性宣導我認為強度也不夠啦所以我認為這個東西名不正言不順啦支持建民委員的意見把它簡列以上謝謝 |
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來 這個齁 其實我也要說一下齁 這個真的齁 我要不要簡略要不要凍結到時候再說不過我真的覺得 你們原住民 原民會的網站就給他用一個網站讓我們所有原住民就直接去download法條 把法條直接拿給雇主都不用花錢啦 |
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你只是要讓僱主知道而已啊。你在法條上面把它制式的格式,讓所有的原住民朋友都可以,我就把法條download下來,我就拿給僱主看。你如果不准價,你會受到什麼處罰?這樣子就好啦。我也覺得這個其實可以這樣做啊。好不好?不好意思喔,高經緯。我同意。 |
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我來接續一下美會委員提的那個部分我覺得美會委員提的是很有道理的那你這邊這個綜合規劃發展、政策發展還有行政資訊化的經費你今年編了九千多萬了 |
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當然我了解你剛剛講的大數據要建構大數據可是我同意你這個大數據因為你這邊也寫得很清楚各部會的數據資料庫沒有提供原住民為條件的搜尋模式所以對於我們不同地區的原住民族族人要制定最適當的施政方針例如農委會沒有建立原住民農民的基礎數據 |
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勞動部也沒有原住民勞工的這些基礎資料衛福部也沒有掌握原住民醫護人員的分部數據這些情況這些我覺得你是必要要做的但是我要再針對一個部分就是現在114年度即將開增碳稅了 |
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所以我也希望對於原住民保留地的林地的樹種、面積、範圍相關的資訊有密切關係你是不是也是要跟這個部會來嫁接一下所有的資訊我剛剛也在講到你在資訊的部分只有3、4個人在做這件事情我想請問你們在跟各部會 |
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嫁接這些資料庫的時候有沒有什麼困難度還是你們都很順暢?請問周銘跟委員說明這個其實我們在起步的時候確實很困難因為我們需要的資料有很多是涉及到各自各自的資料所以當時很多的部會甚至司法院、地方政府都不太願意提供所以我們後來就成立了一個由我們副主委所召集的一個工作小組他是一個跨部會的工作小組 |
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我們通過那個小組去不斷協商之後那現在各部會提供資訊就比較沒有困難那接下來我們也會參加那個國發會他所建制的T-Road我們會直接用系統跟系統對接的方式去取得這些資料所以請問一下現在有哪幾個部會跟你們還是不加借這些資料?你有多多利用我們立法委員啊?不是你從來也沒跟我們提過這些事情 |
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我們現在對接資料的總共有13個部會好 這13個部會都OK嗎?順暢嗎?現在都OK了好 那剛剛美惠說她要凍結100萬我本來是要凍結500萬那麼我也支持美惠說凍結100萬然後我希望你們要有一個時程包括不僅是跟其他的部會要這樣你跟你自己的那個經發處也要啊或者是我們現在不是有一些資料 |
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對於各企業,你們應該也有資料吧?那所以剛剛就回到,你根本不需要花這個宣傳費,那麼少的宣傳費去做,要放假。你可以有這些資料,data之後呢,你就行文給各公司去啊。公家機關是很容易,那民營企業,那你就行文去讓他們知道說一定要放假嘛,對不對? |
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三個月之內提供資料讓我們清楚知道你們要做些什麼 |
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然後你們的期程要做到什麼樣的狀況,讓我們知道。第二個,剛剛的宣傳費用我建議是刪除掉。謝謝。林委員 |
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謝謝主席這剛剛大概有開始進入到這個智慧科技跟部落生活的應用的這個題目這裡面有一項我們有查出來一個問題就是說你們在這個說明裡面有寫你們要辦理原住民部落智慧科技與生活環境的應用模式的實證論壇有這件事嗎?明年能辦嗎?請說明明年可以辦可以辦 |
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可是你在寫的時候是說預計次年也就是說是115年才要辦你到底明年辦或是不辦?我們現在這個部分我們是每年都會辦因為我們是打算未來四年會挑一些部落去建立一些模式去驗證未來的可行性所以你現在你明年到底是辦或是不辦?什麼時候辦?辦在哪裡? |
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我們現在還在挑部落所以我可能比較細節的資料要等整個規劃完之後再提供給委員比較細節的資料還要整理之後才提供比如說在哪一個部落或者是說在哪一個時間點辦可能我們還要再做進一步的比較詳細的評估阿對阿因為你前面就有寫說預計於次年開始辦理阿就很奇怪阿因為你如果是次年還辦理那你明年就編預算不是很奇怪嗎115年才辦的東西114年就編預算那就是浮編嘛那浮編應該就要減劣囉 |
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對不對我跟你講今天還有這一幕還有討論時間你趕快把最後確定的說明版本提出來要不然我們就要簡略了以上好 還有沒有還有沒有委員高軍委員 |
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的確剛剛劉委員所提的這個部分我真的覺得就是說非常有必要而且你這又是要委辦了要委辦給誰?原育會你們一直以來辦非常多的座談會然後辦非常多的活動但是你們自己都沒有列一個KPI或者是要做到什麼樣的範圍然後能夠解決什麼問題我覺得你們真的花錢如流水 |
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雖然我們看到你們的預算其實不多但是真正在細看你們的預算的時候我們都很心痛啊好不容易有這些預算可是你們卻不用心來花用來真正的去執行剛剛林委員的那個說法我接受你們趕快整理一下資料讓我們清楚知道你們到底要做些什麼事情還沒有還沒有委員 |
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對阿還有另外一個那個法制的我剛剛講完了嗎現在我們到南島了對不起我的第49案我撤案對不起在平埔主任辦理身份認同上面我把它撤案 |
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南島民主論壇6年計劃說明欄預算數1976萬我一直以來看了很久這個計劃就是我剛剛說的中規處你們很辛苦 |
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你們一直以來自己的業務都沒有本業務都沒有做好不管是剛剛講的資訊的不管是講的原住民的法規的部分還有法的部分你們的人數已經不多了然後你們都不把你們的人力你們的心力放在你們的本業務上面可是你們卻一直來替外交部跟文化部來做事情然後你們又編了這些錢 |
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我是覺得啊中規處你還是回歸到你本業務人民會請你回歸到你的本業務尤其上次主委你說你到帛琉去宣布你要幫帛琉的人弄辭典 |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查七、繼續審查八、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、 |
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要怎麼做接洽而不是你們的本業務。所以我在第53案裡面 |
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7856.543 |
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我認為你們應該投入資源推動本國內我們自己原住民的族人的業務所以我認為這個預算一千九百七十六萬、九千萬都應該把它減劣掉。謝謝我相信大家對南島這個論壇都有很多的意見所以我先談到第53案。謝謝啊,林委員 |
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7885.425 |
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通常在我們以前在議會審預算的時候大部分的時候這個議員們把關預算的邏輯都是公共建設當然我們就大家大部分都支持但是有這種活動性質很多的其實大家就會重演把關這我想是大部分坐過民意代表員共同的一個概念那你這個南島民族論壇的六年計畫基本上都是活動跟會議的性質很多 |
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那加上剛剛其實前面高金委員講蠻清楚嘛就是這個如果它是一個國際性的互動的活動我是覺得應該交給外交部來處理因為它確實有助於我們鞏固邦誼所以這筆錢你如果編載外交部或原民會一起來辦這我會非常支持可是你如果獨立編載原民會下面而且它的預算額度非常高然後它又是以會議跟活動為主然後又可能跟出國參訪又非常類似那我是覺得這一筆預算大家要從嚴處理啦好不好 |
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這請原住民委員會提出可信的說明好不好 以上謝謝 |
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謝謝主席。唉,剛才聽到那個南島,我不知道該怎麼講。我本來中規就覺得你是一個頭,那我覺得在know-how的技術層面我蠻注重的啦。可是我是在後面的幾幕這邊有提案,可是我提案裡面的內容,你們有些人寫到這個什麼南島相關的這個議題,就是跟601計畫有關,所以還不是只有在中規。 |
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三、繼續審 |
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我們現在針對原民會要凍結跟檢列我心裡也很衝突好像剛才幾位委員這邊談到的南島真正的癥結就是在原住民本身我們在台灣的原住民本身很多事情沒有做所以剛才幾位委員這邊提到有一些其實是原民會應該要跟別的部會加接的平台其實沒有做好像族羽的部分主責是文化部 |
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結果搞到後來好多的業務都變成你們在做然後他們其實有編的相關經費就削弱了原民會原本應該有的主體所以這樣啦好像本來在文化部這邊談的這個部落訓練到最後變成裝頭訓練然後你們應該在這個相關的議題上像人權博物館都應該要很強力的把整個原住民在人權跟所謂被不義的這件事情 |
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二、繼續審 |
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然後族語的這個部分呢那教育部你們跟教育部的這個族語師資你們到底這個平台建立的如何所以我的困難都是我一天到晚在幫你們在別的部會把關這些事情但是你們自己跟別人嫁接到底是做的怎麼樣所以這個南島會議你說我們現在要凍結要減劣那說實在我們也有這個正當性可是重點就是我們自己都沒有做好啊 |
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在族語本身,剛才幾位委員講的議題,然後包括我們自己的發音系統,我學的發音系統就跟原民會的不一樣,但是都可以並存,但是這個並存你們現在做得如何?那難道跟我們真的是真正連結嗎?然後原住民本身在台灣社會裡面跟漢人的這個溝通程度現在做得夠嗎?我覺得有好多很矛盾,然後又很糾結, |
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三、繼續審 |
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所以在原住民自己本身我們不知道我們的主體如何能夠透過語言、透過文化然後跟南島連結結果搞了半天我們都在做別的國家的內政所以主委你們這個部分可以怎麼做然後怎麼處理呢那假設今天被檢列了、凍結了或者是凍結的話你們有辦法請外交部或者是請文化部請教育部把他們該做的事情做好嗎 |
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我們都是你們這邊的支持欸那個 吳委員還有吳委員好 那個主席我剛才忘了請求就是能不能夠讓原民會回應我剛才我那幾案啦齁但是我先說明一下南島的部分 |
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其實在南島民族論壇計畫我並沒有去動預算那我先說明一下因為我常常去文化部、外交部就是去質詢關於我們原民會去出訪的一些活動或者是招待我們這些接待外賓 |
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二、繼續審 |
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因為我們很多的南島民族不是很多啦全部其實他們很多的習慣跟我們是幾乎一樣的例如他們也是無稷不租跟我們原住民族所有的族群都一樣很看重殺豬這件事可是各位知道嗎其實我們的南島朋友他們很多其實對華人是有戒心的 |
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因為他們覺得華人太聰明太會做生意可是甚至是有時候我們在做這種國際交流的時候包括那個吃豬肉或者是有一些活動會顯露出我們的外交官會顯露出那種好像不敢而且他們感受得到鄙視所以往往這個對交流的活動不是很好的 |
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所以我一直強調說原民會在這個部分我們本來就是代表台灣的主體我們是代表原住民族所以這個部分我是希望說不論是南向的這些交流或者是辦理這種南島民族論壇 |
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二、繼續審 |
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一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金—原住民族綜合發展基金。四、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金—原住民族綜合發展基金。五、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。六、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。七、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。八、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。 |
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舊部落增化邊因為我撤案但是你們要給我回應我改組決議可是我剛剛沒有聽到他們給我回應包括我們很多比林園鄉的平地行政區的地權還有這些增化邊適用地區的修正公法人的分區座談還有推動事辦還有原住民自治的事辦等等我還是希望有個說明回應謝謝主席 |
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還沒有委員有要發言的。好,主席好,大家好。我們是,到現在為止應該我們都是,對對我知道,對對我們是在支持啦,但是因為我們看到的效果不彰啦,所以就是我們看到了就是在計畫招標多層招標的議會事數, |
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三、繼續審三、繼續審三、繼續審 |
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二、繼續審第二幕大家已經討論很久了 |
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那我還是要說明這個南島民族這個部分的交流事實上我因為在原民會擔任過處長也擔任過副組委過去真的都是由外交部主動找我們譬如說太平洋文化藝術節或是在什麼地方要到那個諾魯圖瓦魯 |
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你們可不可以來參加帶著我們鄉親去參加這些活動 |
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那事實上都是外交部在安排而且由外交部來出經費過去都是這樣結果這8年來現在又要變成這個開始要做這麼已經花了很多錢所以這個部分這個真的是演兵會你們自己的本業要做的非常的多像原住民主自治法連從演兵會送到行政院都沒有啊 |
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連從延民會送到行政院都沒有所以本業變成就沒有時間去做了你們人力又少經費也少結果在這個部分就花了這麼多的經費所以因為我們第二幕討論很久了經費也不是很多請主席參考剛才幾位委員凍結的額度來去凍結 |
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然後那個要要刪現在有那個南島文化節的部分到底要全刪還是說還是說這個預算之用的說明來去做調整預算不刪的話預算之用的說明是不是可以調整作為實際上對原住民族 |
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8625.966 |
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有幫助的、有意義的、有實質效益的來去做調整這個預算資用說明。所以這個部分我的建議是這樣,以上。我還是補充一點,因為我常常到別的委員會去質詢。我舉明年要上路的五年一度的世界博覽會,明年在大阪。我有去質詢喔。 |
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8627.557 |
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我們的國貿署編20億委託外貿協會要去做臺灣館。我質詢了之後,我要求說有沒有原住民的商品,有沒有原住民的演出,有沒有原住民的內容展覽哦?很硬哦!很硬哦!我上次質詢有問原民會說協調不國。 |
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所以我真的不曉得說如果我們的經費放在別的地方那真的後果不堪設想第二我要講的是剛好今年9月也出一個大事但是大家都沒有注意到一樣在亞洲最大的原住民族博物館大阪世界民族博物館竟然他們的策展把我們原住民的族服16族去展覽叫少數民族 |
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所以我覺得這個部分原民會真的你們要很強硬態度要有要經常馬上有事件就要出來做說明要不然大家都搞不清楚原民會到底有什麼重要性以上因為高金先舉手的 |
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我覺得吳委員剛剛所講的是比較細節的問題大家看一下在這個民主論壇六年我再講清楚一下他們總共要做的三個事項第一個是強化國際文化合作既然你是強化國際文化合作明顯就跟外交部跟文化部的職責範圍我認為 |
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文化的部分我們可以提供軟體我們的智慧給外交部、給文化部但是預算不應該編列在原民會這是我一直在強調的第二個,它的功能叫做建立參與國際性組織平台 |
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這個非常重要但是它的功能跟現在有的太平洋島國論壇其實是重疊的這個部分也有編列預算然後第三個他要做的是建構台灣原住民族以及南島文化資產保存的資料庫大家都曉得 |
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文化部國家文化記憶庫的業務也有在做這件事情這也是文化部在做的人民會的本業務尤其是中規處你們的業務人力 |
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都已經很少錢了我認為原民會主委你們應該要跟外交部跟文化部說這個部分你們要出預算但是當我們做好這些南島的這些交流之後這些人怎麼再回到原住民的部落裡面來然後增加原住民部落的經濟產業的發展 |
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這個原民會可以做第二期也就是115年度你們要跟外交部跟國防部要說跟文化部要說的你們之前已經做了6年這麼多的讓原民會打頭陣已經在用原民會的預算了 |
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外交部那麼多預算、文化部那麼多預算那麼多的錢都在跌床架屋原民會還要在編嗎?我覺得沒有道理行政院不應該給原民會穿小鞋我們很重要 |
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我們很重要你們就編預算啊讓我們提供原住民最優質的文化最優質的跟南島怎麼樣的連結的這些軟體而不是用你們的預算來所以我很堅持這筆預算我認為回歸到外交部跟文化部不應該在園民會的向下裡面那園民會如果要做這些事情你們可以提供軟體 |
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提供我們的文化資源,而不是編列預算。你們更要爭取這些預算在我們的教育上,在我們自己本國的文化業務上面。不是不讓你們做,而是這些錢應該要讓行政院清楚知道, |
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8921.102 |
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這是外交部跟文化部的預算範圍,不是原民會的預算範圍。如果115年你們要編列這個預算,就必須要跟部落連結,要增加部落裡面的文化、觀光、產業的發展,我們才同意。以上,謝謝。好,我們陳英委員。 |
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那個原民會本來就是一個小內閣然後原民會掌管的事務本來就是原住民相關的不管是婦女啦、社福啦、健康啦、外交啦其實如果按照這樣的邏輯的話那麼永遠原民會你們都只要提供軟體就好了你們的預算應該全部回歸到各個其他部會根本就不需要編列任何預算給原民會 |
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但是事實上原民會就是要關心要掌管原住民所有的相關事務包括外交所以這個部分我支持原民會要保留這個外交相關的這個預算因為我個人也出國到這個南島各國家非常多次了那我舉一個實際的例子 |
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在我們的...我去了紐西蘭那在當地的我們的這個代表處的人員呢多次想要邀約邀約這個毛利毛利的這個國會議員他們怎麼約都約不到但是我去一天就搞定這個事情為什麼?因為我們有共同的語言 |
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二、繼續審 |
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三、繼續審三、繼續審 |
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各位委員都有發言,我們要不要請他說明一下?好不好?好,那主委說明一下。我簡單回應一下,這個南島民主論壇不是只有在辦這個會議而已。那我想,我們跟南太平壤的國家本來就是同文同種。像我去帛琉,我去馬紹爾,我們的話一樣。 |
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這個外交部沒有辦法取代,有很多部落去,連外交部的人員去跟我去跟我帶我們裡面的原住民其實不一樣的。那我們不是只有去那邊做交房喔,還有博物館的交流,未來我們原住民的博物館可以跟他們的博物館的文物做交換的策展。還有 |
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就是我們原住民的東西臺灣的原住民東西可以賣到那邊去向我們的編織向我們的各項的手工藝品一樣的他們那邊的手工藝品尤其馬紹爾這個編織也非常的好他們也可以拿來臺灣策展 |
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更重要的是我們可以請當地的原住民到我們台灣來,進入到我們原住民的部落,我們也有帶來過部落裡面,來好好的大家對產業的發展,對整個接待怎麼樣來做更好的一個互動,我們都可以長期來互動。這個部分我們是在補強外交部,而且是站在 |
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南島語系原住民來講大家都是一家人的立場我們是在做這樣的事情這個事情我想還要做的很多所以我想這個部分在這裡跟各位委員報告 |
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阿我休息五分鐘嗎? |
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九百五十萬九百五十萬太高了,你憑什麼說太高?你有沒有其他想法? |
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八十九、三十四、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、四十五、 |
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一、繼續審 |
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一、繼續審二、繼續審 |
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只有我們三個以後才能要如果他真的那麼重視太平洋跟南島那麼重視原住民我們的文化要跟南島鏈接 |
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外交部、文化部就必須要編這個計算。我們不能夠讓其他的部會不重視我們原住民會。三、繼續審 |
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二、繼續審 |
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二、繼續審 |
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二、繼續審 |
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一、繼續審二、繼續審 |
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一、繼續審二、繼續審 |
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讓他們記憶,不要說整個都垃圾,因為我們從前先說,我說什麼,我是很挺原住民的,你三個原住民都要留在家裡,因為我之前說你整個垃圾,都沒做過嘛,你又來保留給你,跟你法國先說,你做什麼,你要做什麼,他要做什麼,要做什麼,要做什麼。 |
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二、繼續審 |
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一、繼續審二、繼續審 |
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一、繼續審。二、繼續審。 |
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二、繼續審三、繼續審 |
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二、繼續審二、繼續審二、繼續審 |
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二、繼續審 |
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二、繼續審三、繼續審 |
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二、繼續審二、繼續審二、繼續審 |
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二、繼續審二、繼續審 |
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一、繼續審二、繼續審 |
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二、繼續審 |
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好各位同仁那我現在齁跟各位報告協商結果就是第二幕呢我們整幕凍結300萬然後所有委員的案子並按處理然後專案報告時可動之然後對於黃建斌委員的23案23案齁我們 |
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特別這個23案我們是要120萬全部凍結然後請原民會呢專案報告然後呢那個他的預算的 |
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預算的科目跟實用跟資用的說明要全部報告完之後,我們才准予動之。好不好?那再來就是關於這個南島的這個部分,我們大家就決意保留啦,送協商啦,好不好?好,謝謝。 |
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這是南島南島的部分那我再說跟大家報告一下43案測案45案改組決議然後49案測案52案測案54案改組決議然後55這個不用了吧這個已經要保留這個沒有這個是另外的 |
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五十五萬改組決議我們是不是繼續進行第三幕?第三幕的67案我已經改為主決議了67案改組決議 |
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七十一案凍結一百萬,必須提出專案報告。七十一月改書面報告七十二月是主決議 |
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77案改為主決議 |
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第三目本席有81案 |
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就是有關部落旅遊異後復甦這個部分現在已經整個所謂的異後部落遊客都已經陸續回流了所以其中的補助金額理應降低但是既然已經編列了所以本席希望原民會能夠提出明確的補助評估的方式、補助的標準、評比的辦法 |
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提出專案報告之後我們財事狀況是否動之這個部分凍結一千萬因為已經疫情已經等於復甦滿久了但是這邊還編列了3395萬9千元這個項目這邊相關有3091萬所以這個部分我們希望原民會這裡能夠提出專案報告謝謝 |
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還有沒有?那個林委員謝謝主席我這邊在63案這邊有提出來整個這個經濟發展業務下面有關於這個永續共好地方創生的這個綠色產業發展的這個計畫我覺得在整個內容跟執行面我在計畫裡面看的不是我覺得內容不是很詳盡 |
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綠色產業選擇標準及資金運用細節及產業鏈上下游整合 |
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三、繼續審 |
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三、繼續審 |
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有時候計劃結束其實就結束了並沒有真的產生很大永續的效益那最主要是因為我們原鄉推動產業很多土地上的限制跟法規上的限制然後又導致一些來合作的模組又很類似 |
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所以推動起來其實我認為沒有符合所謂的什麼以政策建構永續所以這個部分也因為人民會有來談了有一些我提供政策上的建議他們也願意來跨部會的去面對這一些懲惡所以我這個部分就撤案了謝謝好 謝謝好 那黃婕委員 |
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好 謝謝那我也講一下我的案子因為其實在這個原住民族亮點產業的推動計畫裡面當然很感謝原民會對高雄的支持那裡面針對部落旅遊還有特色溫泉其實都跟高雄蠻相關的 |
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二、繼續審 |
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在這邊要幫我們茂林講話,謝謝。好,謝謝,那個徐委員。我針對第三幕的部分,這邊有一個提案74案,就是也是有關於原住民亮點產業推升四年計劃的分支計劃這個部分,是不是可以請原民會提出說明,我是提出要減列400萬。 |
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那個徐委員的你趕快說明一下有關徐委員的那個部分那這個部分主要是企業狀況調查那每四年會辦一次上次是110年調查109年的所以他不是新興計畫其實已經做過一次了那明年度一樣就是會等於說再調查今年的兩萬多家原住民的那個企業狀態 |
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這個部分是不是請委員不要簡略,我們可以提書面報告。好,謝謝。請鄭天才,鄭委員。好,這個經濟發展業務,這個是原住民很重要的一個第三幕。所以我是建議,我們很多委員都有寫了很多的建議,希望那個演民會能夠去加強的部分。 |
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所以我是建議說這個第三幕我們就凍結100萬然後這個中央報告之後使得凍資那至於這裡面也有南島論壇相關的部分那就併前面的那個結議就是送協商以上好各位委員有沒有意見沒有沒有意見我們就照 |
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二、繼續審 |
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二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附� |
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凍結10%。還有65案這個部分的話,針對就是我們的原住民經濟狀況的調查。而我們覺得就是收入顯示偏低啦,無法達到這個提升這個生活的水準。所以再去這個經濟弱勢的部分二話,所以我們是這一句話我們是同意修改。 |
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但是還是一樣是凍結我們的10%是我們在原住民委員會就3個月內可以提出書面報告這樣以上 |
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剛剛大家有協商,我再跟各位報告一下,就整目凍結100萬,然後所有委員的提案並按處理,然後專案報告後,使得凍資,大家有沒有意見?沒有 |
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你們再說一下你們多少可以? |
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不是,你知道他會這樣講你就知道那個經濟產業發展那個是我們的救命錢 |
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這是凍結又不是說把你剪裂而且你如果下個會期第三會期你來專案報告你一整年的預算我動你一千萬你一億我動你十分之一你是上半年就把一億花完嗎 |
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所以所以所以我我們只是其實其實應該這樣講我們不是所預算我們希望行政單位真的要做出那個太要讓民眾讓我們大家認同嗎好不好 |
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沒有,這樣子他們對報告都很隨便,而且我們真正重視的他也沒有掌握。主席,我是覺得尊重原住民委員的意見,我覺得也要...對啊。 |
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我們不是說一定要動一千萬應該是要做動一百萬他們就不做不是會怕不怕啦不是不做是隨便做然後報告也隨便寫稍微一次你們自己說 |
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三、繼續審三、繼續審 |
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因為凍結大家吵來吵去也不知道什麼時候才解凍要拖很久對啊我們尊重原住民的委員啦好啦500啦好不好500啦原住民沒有講500我只聽到200鄭天才委員說200萬後來後來500啦你看500了啦你們行不行蛤 |
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整目凍結500萬,所有委員提案並處理,作案報告後時可動之。關於南島業務部分保留送協商。第70案徹案第67案、72案、77案改為主決議。第4目 |
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來,有沒有委員?第四目,來,高軍委員。好,謝謝各位。第四目是屬於這個土地規劃管理利用的部分。看一下我的第84案。那麼,84案講的就是我們原基法的第21條和第22條,涉及到原住民族土地權利樣態 |
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二、繼續審 |
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向我們的內政委員會專案報告 |
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吳立法委員 |
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這個部分是關於原住民傳統領域要來辦理土地調查跟化設計畫那因為這個部分也是深受許多族人的一個抱怨那所以這個部分我也接受因為我就改組決議了我的要求就是加速辦理 |
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原住民族土地部落範圍土地的公告作業保障原住民族的土地權益所以我這個地方就是做這樣的一個要求我改組決議那也說明一下 謝謝還有委員嗎徐委員 |
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本席在第4幕有三案首先第87案我們是針對原住民族土地管理土地規劃經費中的業務費對原住民而言土地還有傳統海域應該是賴以謀生的主要生產工具也是部落文化傳承的依據 |
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在2022年,原民會提出《原住民族保留地管理利用條例》草案。行政院通過送入立法院,希望能將原保地規範提升為法律位階,禁止原保地設定抵押,解決介民登記問題。 |
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立法院雖然曾經排審,因為屆期不連續,所以我們整個立法程序退回原點,無疾而終。現行這種屆民登記的現象持續存在,而且讓原保地大量流失。本席之前在答詢的時候也有特別質詢這個部分。 |
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所以針對這一塊我們希望原住民族委員會就原住民族保留地借民登記這種情況提出具體改善方案所以凍結150萬專案報告後我們再來考慮動之 |
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另外還有91案跟93案是針對資訊維護管理系統委外收取租金這個系統的更新維護委辦費用 |
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我們覺得偏得很高所以這個我們凍結其中的5%凍結5%那另外93案的話是現行法規呢邀請原住民族共管山林資源卻沒有讓原住民族參與決策的權利所以我們希望原民會加強溝通例如我們新竹縣地政處的北泰亞原住民族特定區域計畫 |
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其中只有土地使用管理機制,沒有包含利潤分配方式。 |
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謝謝主席,我的是第89案,就是土地規劃管理利用業務我是希望原民會這邊能夠改善我們土當人員的一些辛苦就是說看看他們無論是從論件記酬還是從他們的加班費來補貼不然土當人員這麼少,然後他們的業務量這麼大 |
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如果說不進行這方面的改善的話,我這邊先凍結百分之二十,如果有計劃的一些,我這邊已經有同意組決議了,不過還是要替我們提供人員來說明他們的辛苦,謝謝。 |
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謝謝主席不好意思在這一幕的第99案我有一個就是原本這個業務費是要來辦理原住民族歷史正義與轉型正義委員會土地小組的相關經費編了370萬零五千元那我原本也是把它全部凍結掉但是這個部分很重要我還是要要求舊部落的真話編 |
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還有很多跟我們的比鄰園鄉的這些平地行政區全國很多造成族人很大的困擾跟權益的損失這種地區修正的我希望就是這個部分也可以來做一個說明那我就同意這案謝謝 |
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政委員土地管理處的預算一直是不足,嚴格講起來是不足 |
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所以要用在刀口上所以我是建議剛才吳委員也有提到總統府轉型正義委員會已經撤掉了沒有了所以要做更有效的對原住民族土地正義這方面的工作所以我是也有提案是說這個預算適用說明要做調整修正 |
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所以我是建議說這個第四目的經費是不是能夠凍結這個兩百萬,然後要所有的案子都要裝報告,經同意之後才能動之。 |
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好 謝謝我們覺得希望這個土壤處你說明一下啦就是我一直很介意的就是這個原住民的土地調查化設計畫你們編列總共是800萬嘛有我們的傳統領域從108年少族的傳統領域爭議以來到現在你們預計明年是要有25個部落會公告 |
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現在原住民部落有700多個部落,你們怎麼樣處理這件事情?這個部分我是本來要把你們剪裂掉,但是想想原住民的土地真的是蠻重要的,就不給你們剪裂。但是我想聽一下你們到底想要怎麼做,因為我曾經已經講過了。第二個當然就是總統府的原轉會。 |
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113年7月31日總統府的新聞稿中就明確表示這個原轉會它已經完成了階段性的任務本來你們在這裡有編370萬5千塊我們都知道在原轉會裡面它是無幾值的特別強調一下無幾值 |
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事實上我們也知道在原轉會裡面其實有很多都是部落裡面的聲音發出來那的確也有發生了一些影響那既然現在賴總統說他要的任務已經完成了那你們認為370萬你們可以來做什麼?你們可以簡單說一下嗎?謝謝好說明一下 |
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各位委員報告第一個是先強調土管處本來經費就很少剛剛政委員有特別提了裡面大概有六成左右都是用人費那很多都是補助像剛剛這個傳統領域的範圍調查這些他都要有時間去進行第二個是傳統領域這個部分剛剛委員都有特別關心不管吳委員或者是我們高進委員那事實上會裡面持續在做雖然在前幾年都沒有公告有他的一些因素存在但是 |
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主委上任以後一直希望說這個部分能夠突破事實上我們現在很多程序已經在進行中那我們也規劃在明年初應該會有一些鄉或者部落會做公告當然委員講說我們有700多個部落要怎麼處理其實我們會積極的去趕班但裡面一個很重要的問題說不是原民會想公告我們就公告有一個問題是 |
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外界怎麼看這個問題?我們公告的時候是不是有爭議?第二個,部落跟部落之間,族群跟族群之間還是會有一些問題。所以這個是需要透過時間來溝通協調。等到這個東西大家都OK的時候,或者說我們大家願意共享、共存,或者說大家共同去使用這一塊傳統領域的話,我想就會後面會比較快。我想初期可能會遇到一些困擾,但是我們還是會積極地來克服。另外有特別提到那個 |
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二十二條那個機制事實上就原基法來講二十一條是有明定就是政委員所講的所立法通過那個不違定範圍那個諮商同意辦法那當然在會裡面的態度是認為說能夠統一一個法令來處理啦如果說我們每一個條文都另外去定一個我們的機制我們也怕有一些否效但是沒有關係這個部分事實上我們跟中規處也有在 |
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在聯繫說針對22條有沒有可能在他的這個法令裡面有稍微可以做一些區隔我們一併來處理不要說這諮商同意出去的話他一個然後另外還有另外一個22條的諮商還有20幾條的諮商我想這個可能就不太好但是我們會整併來可能會有一些區隔他的強弱的問題22條是該怎麼另外那個共管辦法的這個這個發布共管辦法是不是要修正事實上我們也在啟動目前在收集相關資料就說 |
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還要跟各部會開會,因為那是五個部會的共同發布的所以內容我們當然一開始政委員也很清楚這個在當時的協調的過程,事實上我們目前那個辦法裡面比較強調諮商那實際上的這個 |
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綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金— |
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土管處的經費非常的少因為他每一年難得今年有破億但是去年看到比較多是因為有兩個專案有兩個專案是有賠償的還有一個是增花邊保留地的那個專案的那個計畫所以才會有那麼多那平常都維持在1億以下希望各位能夠 |
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原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金 |
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我們原住民族委員會之前總統有成立原住民族委員會我們事實上有做了很多的工作不管是調查研究還有我們一些相關的會議都在進行目前我們會保留這個主要這個都是一個用人的費用我們現在手邊還有大概將近10個案子可能6、7個、7、8個案子還在做結案這個結案大家委員會覺得說這個到底有什麼用其實這個對我們未來在政策的制定不管我們 |
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管理條例或未來傳統領域的法律都會給我們一些很好的參舉。因為有一些這些比較明確的事實依據我們所調查出來的結果在未來在法律的論述上或跟各部會協調上我們可以強化這方面,讓未來我們所要制定的法律能夠順利通過。以上說明,請委員多多支持。 |
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好 非常謝謝這個 處長你本來是處長現在已經是原民會的主委了對於土地的業務你很熟悉那我是我是這樣子啦我有84案、86案、94案包括這個原轉會的97案那麼這的確是非常重要的部分對於土地你剛剛解釋大概我們也接受了但是呢我也希望你這幾案當中 |
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我們就不要凍結那麼多也不來刪除你的預算我的建議然後不知道在場各位的看法因為他只有一億他的預算只有一億我們凍結200萬好嗎然後呢讓每一案你都要來做一個專案報告然後至於97案的那個370萬那個你要特別告訴我們有哪一些東西還沒做完 |
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那我現在提醒你一下,你看原轉會做了那麼多的事情,我再提醒,它是無幾值。而你們的族群委員花了這麼多錢,到底做了哪些事情,你們要好好的反省一下。你剛剛也都說原轉會做了很多事嘛,對不對? |
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那我們的族群委員一個月十幾萬相對來看他們的事權還有還做的事情這的確是值得要討論的地方以上我不知道在場的其他委員有沒有意見謝謝 |
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如果再審委員都沒有意見,我們就這樣之後我們第四幕呢,就整幕凍結200然後所有委員的提案、併案處理然後專案報告後指的動之各位有沒有意見?好,那就這樣再來第99案測案第89案、92案、95案改組決議好,謝謝那我們再來第5幕 |
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因為剛好我是前面這個第五幕這邊三個案都是我啦所以先啦所以關於就是101的案這一的這個114年的預算中針對公共建設的業務在 |
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照顧經濟弱勢這樣的需求。這個部分的話我們有說我們要凍結10%也是在一個月內給我們報告但是我們的原住民委員會希望說他改為三個月我這個不文字的修正我們同意還有第二個的話102的話關於就是發展部這邊在 |
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112年數位發展的報告指出關於如何落實原住民族群網路的部分避免數位落差這個部分我們也希望說要跟我們說明因為我們看到裡面的好像太模糊了還有關於103這個部分也是關於設備 |
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11537.659 |
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11548.162 |
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審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金—原住民族綜合發展基金。四、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金—原住民族綜合發展基金。五、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。六、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。 |
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對我們原住民的照顧有達到這樣的效果。這個部分我們是維持凍結10%。謝謝。好,徐委員。好,本席在第5幕有三案。那第一個是107案。這是針對 |
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11591.792 |
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11605.942 |
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預算是關於辦理經濟弱勢的原住民購住宅及修繕住宅的計畫。經費預算有1億1500萬元。它的績效指標是為了補助弱勢原住民 |
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11606.843 |
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11609.405 |
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建構和修繕住宅,受益戶850戶。但是我們看到過去的整個執行的成果還有實際的作為都非常的不清楚。我們也不了解補助的基準到底是什麼。 |
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11622.296 |
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11625.718 |
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所以我們在這裡凍結10%大概就是1324.8萬我們希望原住民委員會能夠專案提出這個補助基準的具體方案那我們再視情況來動之這是第107案那110案的部分 |
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是關於原住民族部落特色道路改善計畫這個部分我們發現整個的投標意願還有工程執行延誤影響完工率到今年的10月底 |
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11660.293 |
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11680.269 |
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我看到都還有三層未完工所以這個部分是不是可以請原民會來就這個改善廠商他的投標意願還有確保工程執行進度來提出具體的改善方案專案的來進行那本席是提出凍結600萬 |
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我看到高金委員凍結百分之百,如果他百分之百,我這邊就不堅持了,就百分之百再來就是第122案,這個也是在原民會的各單位都一樣有關這個宣傳的部分,整個績效指標都沒有辦法實際的衡量整個宣傳的標準方式,還有 |
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11708.772 |
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11720.022 |
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各管道的宣傳次數,所以我們希望能夠凍結120萬,那希望能夠專案的來提出報告說明之後,我們再試情況來凍結。以上,謝謝。 |
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11749.226 |
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主席各位同仁大家好所以我在這一幕我是104案然後我是針對我們這個業務底下有關於這個主流化空間還有部落道路和 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
11752.19 |
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11780.615 |
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前面有這個有關於委託辦理原住民族部落建設業務協調規劃與輔導的這個相關的經費在細部計畫裡面我覺得有一些不清楚的地方另外還有這個移居部落建設計畫規劃及協調和相關作業的這個委辦費這邊那我希望業務單位能夠有更清楚的一個說明那我想兩個月似乎也對業務單位是可以的嘛 |
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11781.255 |
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五、繼續審 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
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提到原住民族住宅獎補助費一億一千九百七十九萬元原則上是凍結百分之二十 |
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11815.27 |
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11834.611 |
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因為我多次的質詢、多年的質詢有時候跟我們業務單位雞同鴨講因為很多時候就是族人很期盼就是在這種建屋的部分希望能夠有更多的一個幫助因為以前曾經推動過國民住宅 |
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11835.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
三、繼續審。四、繼續審 |
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11859.941 |
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11861.942 |
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原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金。四、繼續審 |
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11878.667 |
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11894.931 |
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尤其是我們的族人還非常的關心在配合未來國土計劃法上路之後未來我們可能有更多的鑑定所以這個部分是族人非常關心的所以我希望兩個月內來說明我改凍結優惠費,謝謝這個更可以,那個主席這個覺得讓他說明一下你看這個覺得還可以凍到20%不不不等一下啦,他那邊還有那個 |
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11907.405 |
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11911.454 |
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有委員還沒講啊?剛剛高金委員先的啦好不好?高金? |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
11914.994 |
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好,非常謝謝。大家看一下我的113案它在這個公共建設業務在這個政策研究就是原住民地區道路的政策研究發展總共編了6億9千多萬那麼我是認為就是說針對部落聯絡道路系統的研究它的考核還有它的里程標示還有安全設施我們希望人民會能夠提出具體的管理方案 |
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11942.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
三、繼續審 |
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三百五十萬希望提出書面說明一百一十五案公共建設業務補助地方政府辦理原住民族住宅業務和多元居住協助相關業務總共一億三千多萬元經費建議補助地方政府辦理原住民族住宅業務和多元居住協助相關業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
11994.397 |
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12018.794 |
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居住協助相關業務經費編列預算350萬的這個部分這個是針對未來原住民的社宅的部分很重要所以我也希望凍結200萬然後你們也提出一個書面的說明接著下來就是117案在這個移居部落建設這個部分他們今年編的是4億7千多萬 |
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12020.575 |
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12044.271 |
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長期以來我認為原住民部落裡面非常多的基礎建設是缺乏有系統的整合例如我們的排水系統沒有做整體性又沒有實質考慮到位於坡地部落的整體防災所需要的事項因為你們的預算已經不多了我不會給你們刪減但是我要凍結你們 |
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12050.174 |
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12070.004 |
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4400萬這個部分你們也同意了也希望你們提出書面說明好不好以上是我的三個案子那其他委員案子就是我們再聽一下其他委員的意見謝謝好 那個徐委員本席在第五幕有提出三個案子分別是112案121案跟124案那在112案的部分 |
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主要是因為這個部分就是跟去年相比的話增加的幅度大概達到25.26%那現在我想大家都知道我們都希望錢要花在刀口上所以為什麼這個部分要增加這麼多25%是不是所以這個部分我是提出要減劣減劣200萬然後第121案 |
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12113.513 |
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一百二十一案目前也是也是較去年增加了百分之二十八點六三那我也提出簡列一百五十萬那一百二十四案的話呢是這是算是新增項目啦去年並沒有那因為這次的話增加了這個九百萬那所以我覺得應該也是要專節使用所以我提出簡列兩百萬 |
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12143.865 |
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好,那個剛張委員先的啦。 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
12151.889 |
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12177.826 |
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好 謝謝主席首先我對這個第5幕有提出第105案 凍結100萬那主要是因為目前原民社宅數量不足那我也想要請教 請委員會解釋一下那個新北市這個社會住宅的部分有關於樹林的這些社會住宅其實規劃報告已經出爐可是中央沒有預算來去做補助是不是等一下可以說明一下這個 |
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12179.787 |
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12185.58 |
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如何有市府總總要有預算可以來支應。那第二個就是我們現在說很多這個 |
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12186.892 |
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原住民他都在排社會住宅那排社會住宅常常排到都是遙遙無期排到6年7年以上都沒有排到社會住宅是不是可以請原民會統計一下到底有多少這個原住民的好朋友在排社宅沒有排到那未來以及原住民的委員會要如何來協助他們那所以我這邊我是很支持原住民的預算所以我這邊只有凍結100萬謝謝以上 |
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12217.306 |
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這個道路改善的計畫經費113年同一個預算科目只編了31萬4 |
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這113年原民會單位預算案第71頁,這我們不是空口白話。那後來我們就含詢說為什麼113年只編31萬4,今年卻編了350萬,增加了318.6萬,等於增加11倍。原因是什麼?那後來沒有看到相關的說明,那當然就沒有辦法同意。 |
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12249.517 |
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12272.889 |
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那這個東西今天如果不說清楚的話,我覺得很奇怪,有可能是撫編啦,這我們不能隨便講,因為你們後來又講說是搞錯了,去年也是花了350萬,那你為什麼預算說花編31.8萬就可以花了350萬,那是很奇怪的事情,你要做出明確的說明。所以本席認為,雖然你現在是逐幕逐幕來做討論,但我認為這一案必須要以個案的方式拉出來做獨立的處理。 |
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12281.642 |
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看是要全部凍結還是怎麼樣希望原住民委員會今天的預算審查裡面可以提出像樣的說明再來是第123案一樣這種業務宣導經費的內容基本上 |
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我們查了一下啦你只有在官方網站裡面公布申請須知跟核定案件的公布而已啊你等於沒有做任何額外的宣傳跟計畫的詳細內容都沒有著墨那你還要花這麼多的錢來做宣傳這真的很奇怪了所以本席的主張這要凍結100萬元這以上兩案希望原住民委員會趕快提出合理的說明以上 |
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謝謝主席在第5個這邊我有三個提案也就是106、109跟118109跟118都是道路都是道路跟聯絡道路我這邊已經改成主決因為原民會這邊有解釋說大部分都是因為相公所這邊的配合度比較差所以他們的執行力會比較低所以可能要原民會這邊再督促我們地方政府來執行 |
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二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。四、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。五、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。六、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。 |
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12368.551 |
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12369.511 |
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建屋的貸款,謝謝。 |
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有個案凍結的就個案凍結沒有個案凍結的就前幕是不是就凍結一千萬還是兩千萬五千萬然後專案報告那就包含了錢包 |
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一、繼續審 |
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12445.855 |
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來,我們休息五分鐘,啊然後那個牛委員的那個,跟他說明一下,我們休息五分鐘。 |
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12830.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
我們開始開會那個是處長處長 |
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處長,我說開始開會了,你還在那...來,那個...各位委員,剛剛我們協商齁,那個...劉徐廷委員,喔還有張柱林委員,他們的案子...哈?還有誰?喔還有麥委員齁 |
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12907.381 |
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他們的案子明天中午前要提供書面說明給所有的委員。這第一個。第二個,我們整目凍結兩千萬所有委員的案子並案處理,然後專案報告,後時得動之。好不好?好,謝謝。那我們來繼續。第109案、第118案改組決議。 |
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好,謝謝。那我們繼續下,來,第六目。老闆,第六目,第六目很簡單啊,結果。我跟你講,6、7、9,其實都蠻簡單的啊。來,第六目,我說明一下,可以嗎?教委。 |
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12946.124 |
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12967.373 |
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報告召委,第6幕我可以說明一下嗎?對,我剛剛就請...謝謝,謝謝第6幕在125案是我提案的那這個部分是補助原住民地區的一些基本設施維持所需的費用我講白一點,就是在我第二屆的時候 |
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12968.513 |
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12987.049 |
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所有的原住民鄉公所的鄉長都來當時的院長是蘇貞昌院長都來跑來我們辦公室陳情在我第二屆的時候也就是94年因為我們原住民的鄉總共有55個原鄉那地方政府 |
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12989.391 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
12992.033 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
統籌分配款都不會依照土地面積、人口、稅收。 |
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13018.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
13044.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
有一些有補助款的縣市例如秀林鄉就比較多錢所以其他的鄉就整個來我們辦公室我就一起到了蘇貞昌院長那邊去請他能夠瞭解我們原鄉地區的狀況因此有兩次調整第二次調整是在陳聰院長的時候所以因此在我們 |
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原鄉地區的基本設施維持費到目前來講有6億4千萬這6億4千萬坦白說就是給我們的55個原鄉的鄉公所要作為它地方建設之用 |
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所以我要求原民會這應該本來就是要給鄉公所的基本設施維持費所需要的應該要百分之百下放到地方政府原民會你們實在不應該在苛扣所謂的百分之八十留在你手上原民會有自己原民會的編列預算該給地方政府的基本設施維持費就應該給他們 |
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所以我在這裡是希望要凍結你但是如果主委您答應我100%下放到地方政府我們就不凍結你了好不好謝謝您也可以說明一下對 |
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跟委員報告就是我們大概按照我們的要點規定我們每年會控留大概百分之八的經費會在我們手上那主要的目的就是我們要因應可能鄉鎮市區會發生一些緊急災害或者是緊急避難的狀況這樣我們還有一筆錢可以去協助公所那也跟委員特別報告這個我們控留的錢我們也只能夠補助給公所我們並沒有辦法說移到別的地方用途所以這點部分跟委員特別做一個說明 |
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各位說明齁這個百分之百還是都是給公所啦只是說我們已經撥出去百分之九十二了剩下百分之八就是用來有一些這個突發狀況的齁用來再補強其他的後面會有一些因為地方上有狀況要另外再補強的也一樣是給都是給公所這個不會自己留下來用 |
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這位委員這個部分是沒有錯都會給鄉鎮市公所沒有錯但是 |
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一開始你就要按照那個標準去給他們你講的這些理由齁那個其實那個災害準備金都有行政院的災害準備金都有是不是這個部分我們就還是凍結不要那麼多了凍結 |
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我是覺得這樣啦 原民會你們剛剛說法實在是沒有辦法說服我啦那我凍結也可以啦 但是呢我是希望如果你可以同意我你是整個都要給地方政府我們也就連凍結就不要了你連那8%都不要留下來嘛你就按照地方的需求每一年就給他們就好了嘛為什麼你還要留呢 |
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實際執行的時候有些公所他比如說給了他這個錢他還沒有做有的他來要可是他又沒有辦法做這是給地方政府的基本設施維持費你在一開始編列的時候你就應該要有一個辦法編列給他們嘛你就照以前就是這樣做因為這筆經費跟他報告這筆經費我當 |
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原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金 |
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我們就凍結,看凍結多少,還是要凍結?人家高俊偉剛剛不要凍結了,你不要凍結?不是,還是要凍結啦,還是要凍結反正其他的也是要來一併狀況報告,好不好?高俊偉好,對不起,我補充說明一下,原民會這只是你的過水錢 |
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你按照你剛剛所講的你本來就是要給地方政府的那你為什麼還要再留這些我的不明白所以你今天說不出來就不要浪費大家時間我給你凍結10%然後希望你能夠能夠來說明但是你要清楚知道這個錢不是你們原民會的錢這個是要給地方55個鄉鎮的基礎建設維持費的等於是鄉公所的私房錢好不好 |
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三、繼續審 |
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跟委員報告我們已經合訂給各地方鄉鎮事工所的經費已經到92%也就是說明年1月的時候最慢3月我們就要合撥下去92%的經費所以講是委員這邊好那我就凍結你們所講的8%你要留下來給你委員會什麼用的那就凍結8%8%好嗎好 |
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13387.19 |
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結凍之前中間如果有什麼狀況,你們能不能因應? |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
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你都已經96%都給原鄉了嘛就只剩下你剛剛說的8%嘛留在你原民會嘛所以我就說動你那個8%然後來做專案報告啊我覺得合理啊我本來是要動你20%啊可以嗎主委這樣你了解嗎還是旁邊誰要來幫你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
13432.646 |
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13440.072 |
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我覺得這筆錢本來就是要給地方的那你不應該你自己再去留什麼的我真的覺得這不應該啦我真的覺得不應該但 |
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這個以我們行政上的經驗來講他雖然是現在說百分之九十二多少但有時候你報上來的可能也會有一點差所以我這樣建議好不好如果要給地方的錢我們不要給人家拖啦好不好我們就凍結百分之五然後專案報告之後此刻凍資因為你有時候會他多多少少那個會有出入好不好我的建議啦 |
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13473.755 |
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我的建議我們不要凍結這個部分我們改凍結那個一般行政的部分我們改凍結一般行政的部分你凍結了這個變成他的理由啊所以我們要把全部給下去啊我們凍結一般行政的部分一般行政兩百萬就好啦一般行政三百萬不是啦 |
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13504.289 |
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13507.411 |
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因為我們的第一幕稅出我們還沒有處理 |
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13522.344 |
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13546.977 |
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你的意思是回去處理那個?對,到那邊的事。我看大家。因為我們稅數還沒有處理啊。如果這樣子,那我們第六幕就...就不處理。就處理了啦!不是啦,第六幕就照預算通過吧。是不是這個意思? |
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13548.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
13552.609 |
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所以第6幕照原預算處編列然後第7幕可以沒問題就按照我先第7幕可以好來第7幕 |
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13596.86 |
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13601.462 |
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主席,第7幕的部分,我們是原住民要跟人們溝通,我們改為主決議。 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
13606.135 |
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13630.435 |
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好 那第七幕就改組決議預算照列各位委員我們是不是請他們便當拿來因為剛剛有幾個委員我有去問了一下大家說趕快把他審完好不好好 我們發便當好 來 那我們第九幕徐委員第九幕預算30億 |
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13633.034 |
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13653.507 |
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本席有11個提案本席做說明首先第141案這個部分因為我們其實都很關心原住民的教育所以整個原住民教育推展特別這邊協調與發展經費裡面 |
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13656.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
13679.543 |
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在《國家語言發展法》上路至今,各級學校都積極推動本土語言。原住民地區的學校如何配合法規來形成聘任原住民籍師資的需求?目前的情況是普遍學校都沒有達到法定要求三分之一的比例。 |
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13680.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
13701.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
本席發現未能聘足的原因就是原住民籍的師生教師資格檢定考試通過的比率過低,具有合格教師證的師資不足,學校開缺也沒有辦法聘足足額的教師,還有參加甄選的教師素質稱之不齊,所以不敢貿然錄用。 |
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13730.136 |
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學校未達法規也未制定法則所以造成聘任的比例未能達標所以針對這個原住民教育推展協調與發展經費裡面的業務費裡面呢我們凍結100萬希望原住民委員會就這個提升原民失資的數量能夠提出具體的改善方案那再來 |
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13731.789 |
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13749.277 |
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就是我們原住民孩子我們普遍存在家庭支持系統不足所以需要課後輔導因為他們沒有人指導家庭收入可能不穩定所以我們發現教育部近日的統計指出 |
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13750.938 |
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13772.1 |
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112學年,大專院校原住民學生出債學率只有56.3%,一般生都有91.6%,相對比較偏低。同時,我們發現原住民族大專院校休學人數有3254人,休學原因很多都因為工作。 |
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13772.921 |
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13796.235 |
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我們說這麼多主要就是這些現象造成了惡性循環、收入不穩定等等家中沒有人可以輔導課業所以我們希望先凍結這個預算的5%希望原住民的就學狀況也能夠提出具體的改善的方案再來是第154案 |
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13825.991 |
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154案的部分是針對講補助對各縣市政府的補助裡面其中鼓勵恢復原住民族傳統地名以及標示經費是1830萬那他的工作項目裡面有公共設施標示牌山川古蹟部落標示牌 |
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13827.731 |
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13851.907 |
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標注為地方通行與傳統名稱這個工作項目跟原住民族16族鄉鎮市區族語標示示範計畫部分工作項目重疊所以我們簡列預算200萬那後面我們繼續要講的很多也都是好像都跌床駕屋首先再來我們第155案我們要說明 |
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13860.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
原住民族16族的鄉鎮市區族與 |
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13892.259 |
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標示示範計畫,經費2000萬。它的績效指標是每年要補助4族,但是我們發現其中補助的族名並不明確,補助金額的基準也不明,所以我們針對這個來凍結預算200萬。我們希望專案的報告能夠把整個補助金額的標準、效益以及審查的標準能夠提出具體的改善計畫。 |
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13898.157 |
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那接著是第156案這邊也是感覺是兩項績效指標哪兩項呢?辦理加強原住民學生課業及生活輔導預算有1200萬那原住民學生課後扶植預算有1540萬這兩項的工作項目內容呢整個 |
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13923.567 |
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13948.777 |
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基效指標預期效益都相同。兩個計畫感覺只有名稱的差異,內容完全相同。所以我們不知道是因為便宜形式所以這個東抄西抄還是真的它就是整個是等於是相同的相同的兩個案只有名稱稍微做差異所以我們簡略 |
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13951.654 |
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其中1200萬的預算。接下來是157案。157案是有關 |
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13987.523 |
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有一千萬要來提升原住民的學生在各級教育的學習競爭力我們覺得這個非常好但是完全看不到具體的提升競爭力還有具體的效應那感覺呢這個消耗經費並沒有真正在加強提升我們原住民學生他的競爭力所以我們希望凍結400萬那 |
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| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
13994.229 |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查七、繼續審查八、繼續審查九、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查 |
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要多元、平等、家庭教育等等每年補助30案那我們看到它的預期效應呢? |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
14022.523 |
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14044.322 |
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就是很籠統沒有看到實際的活動人數以及目標效益所以我們希望凍結這項預算的342萬我們希望原民會可以提出整個的經費補助活動辦理成效以及審查方式具體的專案報告之後我們再考慮來動之 |
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第159案是針對原住民族教育協調與發展經費中的獎補助費、特種基金的補助,其中有包含原住民族 |
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教育課程模組金費300萬發展各級原住民族重點學校課程模組200萬我們又發現兩者的工作項目、績效指標與其效益都相同籌備和課程內容也有部分相同所以我們凍結發展原住民教育課程模組預算50萬希望原民會能夠就課程設計工作項目與其效果 |
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14099.425 |
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提出具體的改善方案專案報告之後我們再考慮來動之。接下來是170案本席再做個說明 |
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14135.546 |
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一百七十案,這個是原住民族傳統智慧創作保護計劃,兩百五十四點五萬,其中的績效指標是要推動原住民族傳統智慧申請文化資產十五案,每年要推動十五案,但是我們看到從2017年到2023年, |
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14161.038 |
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總共推94案一年15案也要有105案都沒有達標到了去年2023年只推了9案2022年只推了4案所以你這邊一直列15案這樣子已經將近快10年都達不到15案所以我們凍結你這邊預算數200多萬我們凍結75案所以請原住民委員會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
14180.889 |
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來就激勵各族申請文化資產能夠提出具體改善方案之後,我們再來專案報告之後再考慮動之。好,以上11案說明9案,謝謝。好,高居委員。 |
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好,非常謝謝我們來到了原民會的重中之重就是原住民教育推展協調跟發展經費在這一個部分裡面總共有114年度要編24億7319萬元的確是少之又少但是我們一定要編測你們我們先來談我的145億 |
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審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金 |
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14224.861 |
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14225.041 |
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三、繼續審三、繼續審 |
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14242.456 |
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一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。四、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。五、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。六、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。七、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。八、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。 |
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您到我辦公室來說明了之後我也了解了所以在這邊裡面14億裡面我凍結你5000萬然後希望你能夠來做書面的來說明再來151頁裡面對於推動教會營造族與生活環境陳處長我相信大家看到這個以後大家都會覺得很奇怪 |
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14291.52 |
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14303.23 |
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就會的確是推廣很多原住民的族語在你們沒有編列一些預算給他們的時候其實他們早就在做了 對不對所以這個預算我們可以看到從112年的5900萬到113年的1億400萬然後你們114年也要編列1.1億 |
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14316.18 |
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14335.31 |
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在我們眼裡來看到我們族群語言推動組織還有原住民語言推廣人員的眼中跟心裡面來看我們相對的覺得我們很辛苦而且我們要做的事情又那麼多相對的教會裡面只要提一個計畫 |
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14337.331 |
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14362.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
馬上錢就下去了當然我不是說教會不好教會做了很多主語推廣我們非常的謝謝他但是在有限的資源下面我們是不是也要來思考一下我們的語言推動組織還有語言推廣人員他們相對的有被剝奪感我相信陳處長你應該了解我說的你要不要也簡單說明一下這個部分 |
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14363.9 |
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14386.41 |
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其他兩個部分不用說明我們請這個處長來說明這個151案好不好謝謝你們未來希望怎麼做好還有沒有其他委員那如果等一下一起說明好OK好另外160案的部分呢這個辦理原住民學生課後輔導徐新英剛剛委員剛剛也有說了齁你們這個編了1540萬 |
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14391.033 |
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14409.45 |
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當時我一直要求你們沒有配合老委會應該要有的最低薪資你們現在終於做了但是部落裡面相對的這些人在部落裡面的課和輔導對於我們原住民的孩子真的是很認真很努力所以我在說原住民教育推廣 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
14410.891 |
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14419.037 |
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審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族綜合發展基金。四、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族綜合發展基金。五、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族綜合發展基金。六、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族綜合發展基金。七、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族綜合發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
14438.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
14456.041 |
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好 那個徐委員主席本席在第9幕這邊有提出三案其中133案主要是在講媒體政策及業務宣導的相關的費用我們發覺其實預算中心也有特別提出來這幾年的預算書都 |
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14459.042 |
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14477.261 |
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一直不斷地在增加,但是這個效果也沒有很好,尤其是我們可以看到就是我們預計我們在114年度預計辦的內容其實跟113年度的預算是相近的但是媒體政策跟業務宣導費用卻比113年度增加了35.9% |
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14479.583 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
14494.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
也較112年的決算數增加88.86%所以這個部分我是覺得這些年來說媒體政策跟醫護訓導費增加的相當多那這個部分的話我是提出要減列350萬然後另外在169案的部分 |
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14506.691 |
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14525.488 |
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這個部分也是啊,就是114年度的有關原住民族文化維護與發展經費的尾半費今年度的增加的幅度也增加到48.37%那這個部分的話是不是,所以我提出是簡列150萬那這個部分是不是也請這個委員會要說明一下好,那個麥委員 |
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14534.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
14540.617 |
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謝謝主席我的提案這邊在128頁這邊針對就是原住民教育推展這邊有編列了30億但是我們看的那個課程 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
14552.381 |
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14563.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
真的是設計上或對我們的體育上的實際的效益都沒有看到這樣子的效果還有它設計的內容希望就是已經是強化我們原住民的專班但是專班裡面就是沒有達到這樣子的效果還有就是各個方面去合作這個部分的話我們是有凍結就是 |
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14577.261 |
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14597.272 |
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10%因為有7個案,這是大概講一些而已還有接下來就是我們提升那個原住民的知識的部分關於人工智慧的AI的部分也是一樣這個部分就是我們希望提高就是我們原住民的知識還有廣泛運動還有應用的普及但是這個部分我們也看到的就是太簡略 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
14605.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
14605.558 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
一、繼續審 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
14625.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
14638.414 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
三十五到六十之間這樣子的一個效率所以我們希望說我們正在預算但是我們的計劃也是要有說明所以我們在針對這一塊我們也是給凍結石拔 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
14643.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
14643.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
二、繼續審 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
14665.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
14691.238 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
九月三十到一百一十四年六月就要完工但是只有差七個月還有就是併用完剩下的九億就才多個預算所以還有存在這個樣子的質疑所以七個月可以完工嗎所以我們這個也要跟我們說明接下來就是三十 |
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14692.498 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
14693.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
二、繼續審二、繼續審二、繼續審二、繼續審 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
14709.521 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
14710.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
一、繼續審。四、繼續審。五、繼續審。 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
14727.285 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
14746.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
所以在我們新竹市、雲林還有其他四個縣市用的語言推廣人員所以原則上這個也沒有達成目標也是說在還有七個縣市也沒有在落實來去做這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
14748.581 |
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14748.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
一、繼續審。二、繼續審。三、繼續審。 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
14769.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
14769.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
二、繼續審 |
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14793.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
14793.524 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
二、繼續審 |
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14817.199 |
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14833.47 |
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我們去審查預算,要監督預算,所以這個部分希望我們原委會這邊要謹慎。以上,謝謝。黃婕委員主席,等一下,我感覺一個聲音,是叫人去了解看看嗎?是麥克風還是怎樣?有一個干擾的聲音。 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
14854.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
14870.831 |
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我這邊有三案,其中兩案還是跟高雄有關,這個我在質詢的時候都有講,一個是原博館的進度,因為確實我們看到今年到8月之前的預算執行率只有5%,這個真的很低。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
14871.952 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
一、繼續審。四、繼續審 |
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14892.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
14907.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
我們整個相關的預算其實都是非常重要的所以我希望說你們可以我的我動之的條件非常明確啦第一個就是說你們明年的籌備工作相關的時程要很明確的列出來 |
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14907.719 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
14907.739 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
二、繼續審 |
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14925.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
14935.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
另外一件事是原住民族族語推廣人員的部分因為我目前看到是你們原本預計是119人還有短缺33人高雄市我們原本應該要設置15人但你們目前只給了11人就都沒有補足這部分人員的差額請一定要告訴我們為什麼接下來要如何改善以上這兩點謝謝 |
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14954.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
14979.706 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
剛剛那個吳委員先好 謝謝主席在這一幕有144、第147、第164是跟原住民族教育推展有關我有三個案子 凍結案那第一個部分我先談一下第144案 |
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14982.467 |
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15002.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
建構原住民族教育文化知識體系編列一億四千五百八十三萬元這個部分說實在已經上路幾年經費非常龐大我想這個部分應該我們教問處長很清楚 |
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15003.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
15022.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
因為建構原住民知識體系非常重要因為這個是最基礎的data但是他不能夠不應該就是獨立的來做這件事因為原住民族文化知識語言的搶救是跟時間賽跑 |
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15023.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
15046.113 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
那就教育的理論上來講知識體系也不應該單獨建構它必須要同時跟我們的教材的完成以及你要有一個學校來撐住知識系統這件事情所以我其實我常年也覺得這樣的做法其實美中不足 |
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15046.733 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
15069.119 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
就是缺了一個教材還有學校的建構所以我在這個地方是凍結30%我希望這個部分要來重新檢討怎麼樣來把這件事能夠做得更好在教材還有這個原住民族學校的部分希望教文處等一下做一個說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
15071.32 |
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15093.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
第147案是關於辦理都市原住民族的發展計畫。那這個部分是有編列2248萬。那在這邊就是看不到提升地位區原住民族人族語學習的一個相關的內容。我還是要談 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
15094.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
15119.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
雖然我們常常聽已經超過50%的原住民族人來到了都會地區但是還有一個數據要看喔如果以幼兒園到大學的學生來看的時候是將近70%的原住民族人在都會區就讀所以這個比例是非常的驚人那我們也常常看到他們的辛苦 |
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15119.835 |
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15134.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
苦於沒有學習的途徑、方法這些年輕人其實也都很樂意學習特別是越來越多在我們的失陪機構也在搭配要去做一個族裔檢測要過關那其實這些孩子很可憐 |
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15139.241 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
15157.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
他們是公費生要讀比一般公費生修更多的課程但是呢他們好不容易要畢業其實很多人畢不了業就因為語言的部分檢測沒有辦法過關然後就算畢了業有時候地方也不開缺 |
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15157.918 |
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15159.119 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
第164案提到國家語言整體發展方案 |
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15178.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
15202.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
捐助、財團、法人、原住民、文化、事業、基金會這個部分我是覺得我們也常常聽到大家質詢我也質詢很多次我覺得原住民族電視台我不知道要怎麼幫助他們了我真的不知道怎麼幫助第一個就是那個重播率那麼高那個製作費那麼可憐 |
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| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
15206.263 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
三、繼續審 |
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| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
15225.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
三、繼續審 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
15244.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
15244.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
一、繼續審。四、繼續審。 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
15269.983 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
15296.678 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
推動幾十年來其實不是所有的教派主與教會的補助不分教派但是真正有在做這件事的大家都知道就是長老教會但是我們補助不是這個意思你看他做了幾十年將近一百年的志工致力於如果今天沒有他們我們現在不要講什麼葉克某沒了啦連葉克某都不必裝了啦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
15322.617 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
所以我的意思是說好不容易現在大家看中不是看中補助教會你去注意看各個教派安息日會、天主教會現在所有的教派因為有這個補助都在開始做讀語推廣而且在部落裡面留在教會是最好的讀語學習中心所以我覺得這個部分教文處應該要好好的去思考以上 |
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15323.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
15336.281 |
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好,剛剛王委員主席,謝謝。在這裡,有你法院委員也說到稿費的時候,我認為你要慎慎去評估,因為長久以來,你如果看阿琛所拿來,都差不多這裡的長路稿費,去加這裡的金額,因為我都覺得稿費也好,廟費也好,我們應該是沒有分什麼族群也沒有分什麼,所以不要排斥說 |
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15353.729 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
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不要讓我認為一個議員要保存下去是不簡單的,可以我們倒三天,我們也要盡量處理。還有在我提案的150案裡面,那個議員推管的 |
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二、繼續審 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會主管作業基金—原住民族綜合發展基金。四、繼續審 |
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先為主席啊,案子很多啦,我挑幾個重點來講。第一個,146案,剛剛高清委員有講過,這針對運動選手的部分,當然我們都非常支持。但是提醒一下啦,就是說,因為在運動選手的補助部分,就是教育部本來就有相關的經費,未來體育部應該也會有相關的經費。那這一部分,這個到底會不會有重複編列?如果有重複,其實破案獎議原住民,我也是不反對。但至少這個話要把它講清楚。它會不會重複編列?它這個請領規則如果重複的時候的配套措施是什麼? |
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請在解凍的時候提報告的時候請把它列入移民說明項目這就是我們支持高清委員的凍結一千萬的這個說法再來152案152案你寫說原住民族教育協調與發展經費裡面的業務費變成一千萬元你寫說要制定獎勵辦法並公開表揚變成一千萬元現在問題是這樣子你的語言發展獎勵辦法其實在111年就已經訂定發布了 |
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三、繼續審 |
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這個詳細的報告提供給我的話那我就不堅持好不好再來這個最比較嚴重的這要我好好講清楚153案原住民族教育協調與發展經費裡面寫說擴大辦理族語教育文化推廣的業務媒體政策及業務宣導費這就是宣傳經費啦好宣傳經費不要緊這個第一個他不特定業務宣導其實很難講得清楚也沒有說明具體用途然後第二個是 |
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貴會來本席辦公室說明的時候竟然直接講說這一項預算往年通常都作為預算統三的標的編給大家刪的我們今天為了會議的效率部分用統一處理的方式來處理但是你都這樣子都不演了好像有點太誇張 |
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那我們這次就成全你啦所以這一題要減列350萬啦我們不要變統三啦這種壞習慣大家不要有啦我覺得這一條本席是很堅持那有幾條跟南島有關的應該待會原住民委員剛剛協商有講嘛因為跟南島整個計畫相關併案說送協商所以我們就不再多說那還有一個比較重要的是165萬 |
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這個教育文化組捐助文化事業基金會就是上次我們在預算答詢的時候我有講你捐給文化事業基金會沒有關係這我不挑剔這件事情但問題是你的寫是寫說給他業務費他業務費增加可是實際上業務費卻是減劣結果增加的全部都是人事費你們想一下這個東西的名目要怎麼做修正我講你增加人事費把理由序名清楚大家討論通過 |
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15582.725 |
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15582.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
一、繼續審 |
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新的語言發展基金會的永久興建會址,那裡我們預算質詢的時候也有講到,我們關心這個進度。這個一樣,進度希望明年可以有個詳細的報告進來,要不然就要凍結了,我們本來是說凍結20%,但是你今天講說,你今天綁在這一層預算,但明天你可以送交的話,這個我們就不堅持,但是一定要有詳細的進度,這跟我們桃園的建設是有關係的。 |
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好了,其他再講下去就沒完沒了了好不好,我們就這幾個重點,希望這個主席協助處理,以上謝謝。好,謝謝。林委員。主席還有那個各位同仁大家好,我不知道是不是比較先知,所以我就直接那個教文的這個預算先凍結。 |
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為什麼會這樣子呢?是因為我在教文委員會所以我也很希望那個原住民我在教文一直幫原住民這邊爭取很多的這個機會但是你們的連結我常常都連結不到所以剛才其實很多委員談到主語的問題 |
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原住民族委員會主管作業基金 |
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三、繼續審 |
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那剛才其實也有人講到這個運動選手的這個問題齁喔主委上次在一個參會有聽到你說那個賴總統現在給我們兩億元的那個原住民族運動發展的經費後來我才發現原來是教育部不要丟給你們的結果這個政策牛肉是執政黨在開結果那個事情是原民會在做啊我覺得這樣子的那個狀況不太好啊那 |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
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整個的過程當中你怎麼去處理在地的問題你怎麼去連結原鄉你怎麼去運用都會、原住民這個部分我在計劃裡面都沒有看到所以委員會真的拜託我是知道大概我們這個委員會也有統三的一個過往所以我這邊提出來的是你們大部分的業務都在我委員會裡面的都是重中之重好不好麻煩你們所以 |
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來跟我說明,然後讓我知道怎麼樣來協助原住民,讓我們有最好的發揮,可以嗎?謝謝。好。好,鄒委員。好,這個討論很久了。有關這個教育的部分,延命會真的是跟教育部要加油。這8年來,我們唯一沿漢的落差 |
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加大的就是教育其他的失業率我們有縮減其他的有縮減就是唯一加大的就是教育的部分所以原民會教育跟教育部這邊要加油所以我的建議是這樣因為剛才議員的部分大家有很多的意見 |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查七、繼續審查八、繼續審查十四、繼續審查十四、繼續審查十四、繼續審查十四、繼續審查十四、繼續審查十四、繼續審查十四、繼續審查十四、繼續審查十四、繼續審查十四、繼續審查十四、繼續審查十四、繼續審查十四、繼續審查十四、繼續審查十四、繼續審查十四、繼續審查十四、繼續審查十四、繼續審查十四、繼續審查十四、繼續審查十四、繼續審查十四、繼續審查十四、繼續審查十四、繼續審查十四 |
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二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金—原住民族委員會主管作業基金。三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。 |
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中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金。四、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金。五、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金。六、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金。七、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金。 |
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二、繼續審二、繼續審二、繼續審 |
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我部分同意就是剛剛曾委員所講的部分其實在我們的教育推展協調跟發展經濟他當然也包括語言啦對吧處長那這個但是在語言的部分總共是14億沒有錯吧好那14億那麼14億裡面我剛剛有提到就是幾個書面報告你還是要提供給我好然後呢148案 |
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剛剛那個政委員是說他希望都是要來專案就是語言的部分那我也同意但是呢對於這個因為剛剛那個牛委員有講到原基會的部分我在這邊要提除了是人事人事費的檢討我希望教文處來檢討一下因為基層的記者 |
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一、繼續審。二、繼續審。三、繼續審。二、繼續審。 |
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他們的工作超出很多但是他們的薪資卻那麼少這個是等同於霸凌的另外一種所以對於原金會裡面的薪資你們的確要好好的來討論一下所以這個部分那個剛剛牛委員說要提出來另案處理我同意另外還有一個就是最近我們一直來看到的其實呢公共的這個原住民電視台 |
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一開始要脫離公共電視或者要設計我就是推動人員之一啦大家都清楚知道我們都希望我們的原民台是有別於主流媒體來報導原住民的相關議題可是我相信大家來看一下 |
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原住民的新聞報導有站在原住民的立場、原住民的眼睛來報導我們原住民的事務嗎?包括新聞嗎?這個的確是要檢討的這個不是說我們的政治的手插入到媒體而當時我們的原基台、原民台包括現在廣播也出來了如果你們的 |
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播報新聞討論的議題跟主流媒體一樣是不動不揚我請問一下我們今天成立原住民電視台跟廣播幹什麼用? |
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我覺得我們的原民台的確有很多的節目是得獎這值得鼓勵但是更重要的我們的廣播我們的這個電視它應該要有別於主流媒體要有原住民為主體性來探討原住民的法案來探討我們的政府不管是哪一個政黨對於原住民政策的討論不是嗎所以處長 |
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你們是不是覺得應該檢討這個部分?是不是?待會你們一併來回答另外對於原文會的心智結構剛剛講了然後自播的方式我們的人很多耶我們的原民台 處長 |
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原民董事長在這裡我相信我們的人很多但是我們的委制比例高於自治這個是不是也要檢討一下我們長年很多的立法委員在這邊還有我們的立法院的預算中心一直談到的就是能夠持續強化節目的自治比例 |
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然後以培育傳播人才才能夠發揮原文會應該要負的功能跟責任嘛但是現在我們的原民台或者是我們的原民會你們從來都沒有好好的檢討討論這個問題這一次我非常的堅持原文會你們一定要好好的討論我們也希望教文處 |
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二、繼續審 |
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二、繼續審 |
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財產法人原住民族文化事業基金會4億4千多億的這個預算我在這邊建議要凍結2億4千3百萬然後來做專案的報告包括剛剛牛委員所說的這個薪資的結構包括這一次採購的爭議包括 |
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預算中心所說的你們的自治比例要一定的提出專案的報告我們才讓您解凍以上謝謝好那個說明一下 |
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好,謝謝各位委員的指教。我想就試個剛才委員比較關心、比較大的議題來跟委員做說明。第一個是體育人才的培育。那剛才委員有特別指教說,這個計畫其實不是教育部部座來丟給委員會來做。這是今年的巴黎奧運結束之後,總統跟院長有感以這次原住民選手在巴黎奧運的成績非常亮眼。 |
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所以特別又增加2億元的經費來給原民會希望原民會對原住民選手在比較有潛力的項目未來可以更重點的來支持所以我們就選定了7個重點項目明年開始會就這些傑出的原住民選手我們來給他更多的協助我舉個例子過去原住民選手這些頂岩球可能在移地訓練的費用還是他們出國比賽的費用 |
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二、繼續審 |
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第二是原博館的進度也跟各位做報告原博館在今年的3月20日已經奉行政院正式通過要來籌組我們現在的進度最近進度是在9月30日我們的籌備處已經正式成立了我們目前正在做籌備處的辦公室的裝修包括人員的招募因為我們有一個很重要的關卡在我們的籌備處的組織編制表必須送 |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六 |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查 |
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16416.724 |
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原住民族委員會主管作業基金—原住民族委員會主管作業基金 |
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16435.236 |
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委員清楚我們現在已經責定在我們新來的基地開始會來就原住民學校的示範做一個示範計畫那這個計畫雖然我們這次預算沒有編列可是我們會在知識體系的相關經驗來處理那希望我們的原住民的示範計畫、原住民學校示範計畫明年也開始來推動跟我們來做報告 |
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最後一個是原文會的幾個大委員關係的資質力、薪資結構、採購增益跟永久會址的進度部分。我們會後來跟原文會做確實的檢討,把我們最新的檢討報告提送給各位。以上報告,謝謝。 |
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我這邊再提幾個問題有關基金會的搬遷問題針對未來同仁每月交通費的補貼搬遷費還有每月的租金補貼目前跟工會的討論情形是什麼然後具體的金額補貼的期間補貼的資格跟認定方式那如果有些同仁跟演武會的合作或者是廣播電台是屬於承攬企業性質這些同仁又該怎麼兼顧可以一併回答嗎?謝謝 |
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好 謝謝謝謝盧委員有關原住民會永久會址搬進之後我們同仁群的問題我們也跟基金會開了幾次的會議那他們基金會目前還在跟我們的同仁們在做最後的協商那反而他們訂的結果會報到原住民會來目前他們沒有報上來那我們也持續在跟基金會之友保持聯繫跟以上報告 謝謝 |
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那個不好意思因為因為剛好那個講到那個薪資結構的部分我是寫主決議啦那因為在這個原文會跟原語會的部分即便就是接下來要調整但是那個整個歷年來累積的%數其實還是不足的這個部分有特別要求你們就是兩年內要就是調整要補齊這個部分待會要一併做回應 |
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剛剛有談到就是說原基會的部分我們是另案處理現在就是只是在這個談到語言跟教育推展上面我們有主席來來來才是說明一下那個國務院吼 |
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第九目,我們就整目凍結3000萬,然後所有委員的案子並案處理,然後專案報告後時可動之。然後那個一百幾案?他那153案是不是? |
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一百四十、一百六十案改組決議 |
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153吧?是不是?對不對?好那個 |
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一百五十三案簡列兩百 |
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好 那我們繼續下一幕沒有 第9幕你154案簡列200156案簡列1200完全沒回應所以表示認同簡列什麼東西你什麼東西什麼東西啊哪一個啦我意思是說你350 你簡列350不是啦我的意思是說剛剛不是宣告過了你宣告什麼 |
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三、繼續審三、繼續審 |
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主席,還有剛剛我133案針對媒體政策跟宣導費用,簡列350萬,好像也都沒有回應。你們要回應啊。好,謝謝。好,根據委員報告,有關委員關心的 |
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一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金—原住民族委員會主管作業基金。四、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。 |
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在他們的標示上來做主委的標示。那我也比較關心,第二個是比較示範性的計畫,不是針對部落的部分。我們希望是透過部落整體性的,包括他們的家屋,包括每一戶的門牌,我們都希望他們能夠做一個示範的計畫,讓整個部落是充滿著主委的標示。所以這兩個是不同的計畫的概念跟委員補充。 |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查七、繼續審查八、繼續審查九、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、 |
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不是,現在是什麼人要什麼人回應,他現在說他沒有回應,我都亂了,誰會做啊? |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查 |
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所以我維持嘛我維持簡略200就這樣 |
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接著往下,可以啊。好,156案的部分是有關於那個原住民學生課後扶植的部分。這也是兩個計畫,一個是偏鄉地區的孩子的課後扶植,一個是我們都會地區的原住民孩子的課後扶植。因為它是不同的地區,所以不同的KPI,所以我們分裂在兩個計畫。其實這是做同樣的事情,可是它的對象不一樣。一個是在原鄉地區的計畫,一個是在都會地區的計畫。那包括這個部分都是我們 |
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133案有關媒體政策跟這個宣導費用對,區委員關心的是那個沒宣費的部分 |
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徐維文貴先生每一宣的部分。那這個部分其實我們每年在做不管是原住民學生的權益的宣導還是我們的文化的宣導還是說語言各項政策還有那個學生考試這部分的使用的經費可是今年增加的幅度非常高喔所以說我不曉得為什麼今年要增加這麼多既然是往年都有在做嘛那一直也都在做那為什麼今年會增加這麼多的經費 |
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原住民族委員會主管作業基金—原住民族綜合發展基金 |
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委員這個厚厚是不是我們可以一個完整的報告呢?或是不是讓我們照列的預算?我是覺得這個部分的這個教育業務宣導這個我們都認同是必要的但是因為今年的幅度實在是增加蠻多的所以這個部分可能要請你們說明 |
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會不會是會為我們提供相繼的整體的數據給委員做報告?我是提出要簡列350萬喔。是不是委員可以支持我們讓我們後面可以做完整的報告?我是覺得先提出說明之後我們再來看,如果真的是有需要當然我們一定支持,但是如果不是的話我們覺得還是要尊嚴使用。謝謝委員,謝謝。 |
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我們休息五分鐘,你去跟學習委員解釋清楚 |
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本席在154案有檢列200萬156案有提案檢列1200萬 |
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那154案呢我給行政單位兩次機會都沒有回答那後來再回答呢也是講得不清不楚那後來我們了解就是說可能部分工作項目重疊或是也做不到那麼多所以我們維持簡列200萬 |
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但是對於學生的課後輔導的部分本席給行政單位三次機會完全也沒有回應表示也認同認同節約一千兩百萬但是後來高金委員有特別來說明行政單位的說明也是非常的籠統但經過高金委員說明之後本席瞭解而且本來 |
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我本人對於學生的教育我都是非常的支持也重視但是我們看到好像有重複申請計劃之餘所以我們才簡列其中一項的1200萬但是高金委員特別講了一個是針對都市都會區一個是針對原鄉所以我們對於都會區的原住民還有 |
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原住民學生還有原鄉的原住民學生我們也是非常重視他們的課後輔導所以這個部分本席也同意不要簡列我們把這兩案加起來是2740萬我們改成凍結40%我們希望專案報告之後再看情況來解凍 |
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我們希望行政單位能夠加把勁當然本席也體諒了你們那麼久這個時間會議那麼長行政單位都沒有吃午餐所以可能也是血糖降低都沒聽清楚我們的問題所以最後我這個簡略我就不簡略凍結40%2740萬的40%那我們希望行政單位能夠好好的來做好謝謝 |
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好這樣子齁那我跟各位委員報告一下齁我們剛剛的這邊齁包括剛剛的高軍委員的那個125萬就是第6幕的那個齁我們改併入第一幕一般行政齁就是併案凍結2000萬元然後要專案報告之後時可通知這剛剛說的齁啊我做一個宣告就剛剛說的好那再來 |
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第133案就是徐宇峥委員的案跟153案就是媒體政策及業務宣導費這個我們併案簡列300 |
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好那剛剛那個徐欣盈委員的就是第154跟第156案合併然後兩案合併然後凍結40% |
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一百五十四案就減二百萬,我講的應該很清楚,奇怪。對啊,高進委員也有聽到也認同嘛。那我們是一百五十六案裡面我們有提到有兩…… |
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兩案我們認為是重複申請那這兩案是1200萬跟1540萬所以我把這兩案有重複申請的本來是簡列其中一案現在兩案加起來我們就凍結兩案的40% |
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兩千七百四十萬的40%希望專案報告之後我們再來視情況解凍徐委員 |
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那個徐信英委員徐信我們請教一下因為我們現在上面那個金額對不起啦好啦來我講你看一下156案上面有寫加強原住民學生那是一千兩百萬啊然後還有原住民學生課後扶植這邊預算是1540 |
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二、繼續審 |
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我們希望他們那個行政單位剛剛講三次齁一個是三次都不講後來來講也講不清楚行政單位怎麼會比立法委員還講得不清楚所以我們希望是不是來專案先凍結專案報告說明之後我們再試情況來解凍好不好好然後好154是簡列200嘛齁 |
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一百五十四是減內兩百,一百五十六是合併凍結,是不是?徐卿委員,我要問清楚。這樣子嗎?沒錯齁?我再給主委一個機會,你要不要再說明一下?因為這個案齁,還是跟委員包括,因為就是兩個案齁,那我們處長是不是再來說明一下? |
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有關族語標示的地方,我們有兩個計畫一個計畫是針對我們原鄉的政府機關所做的族語標示的補助一個是對部落的族語標示的補助,這兩個是不同的對象有不同的工作指標,麻煩委員跟我們支持,謝謝 |
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如果...因為... |
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因為這個恢復這個山川地名的這個族名這個標示真的是很重要這個錢也是一種族語的一個傳承那個方式我們希望我們各地方公共設施都能夠用族語來讓我們更多的族群來認識主委抱歉你這個總共編了多少錢你要恢復這些地名和標示 |
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1830萬1830嘛 那一定是地方政府要報上來你們才有可能嘛 對不對所以你可以 你也報不了 做不了那麼多啦所以徐昭偉說檢列200 我覺得是可以接受的啦我們這個不要浪費那麼多時間好不好因為你115年還是可以做 116年還是可以做啊你114年不見得你整個會做完啊 |
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一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。 |
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18477.472 |
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18505.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
所以減入200沒有問題他不是把你科目拿掉你明年還可以做後年還可以做不見得你現在剛剛說你編了一千多萬嘛對不對一千多萬你在114年全部都會用完嗎主委你不要在那邊堅持了啦你一回購置業都聽得懂我的意思了好不好兩百萬就兩百萬了嘛對啊可以嗎好謝謝 |
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18510.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
18531.945 |
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主委你不要堅持啦這個我剛剛幫你解釋了你一千多萬你在114年不可能全部做完嘛好主委好那好那一百五十一百五十四案一百五十四案簡列兩百 |
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18535.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
18564.594 |
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好,那156案就照剛剛宣告的這樣子,好。好,那我們進入第十目。好。好。不是,那個麥委員剛剛...我們是基金還沒談耶。對,原民會基金了。 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
18567.126 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
18589.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
是你要後面談還是現在第10幕?原文會的預算啊!現在不就是原文會的預算嗎?還沒喔對不起抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
18590.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
18594.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
主席,第十目是關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
18601.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
18602.938 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
原住民族委員會主管作業基金—原住民族綜合發展基金。四、繼續審 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
18623.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
18625.102 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金。四、繼續審 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
18642.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
18665.743 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
我們也看到就是我們的高齡科技創造這個部分,針對我們的高齡友善的部分,但是我們感覺就是沒有缺缺,還有沒有日期,就是病時滾動更新的計劃配合的長者,這個部分就是也到醫療長照需求。 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
18668.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
18680.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
並在這個計劃的成效還有就是在2114年的預算的成果預算裡面的情形也沒有說明這個部分我們也希望說我們的原民會這邊也要給我們更 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
18687.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
18690.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
要計劃要修得更好,還有說我們要長照著的需求,要優化的報告,這個部分我們很重視,因為我們的長輩的健康還有婦幼的健康這兩個。 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].start |
18704.863 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
18718.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
這兩個要給我再詳細的說明在一個月內因為這個部分我們覺得預算很多但是呢我們的效果沒有那麼好這個部分我是有解凍15%以上報告 謝謝還沒有 還沒有其他問題還沒有解凍 凍結15%好 來 徐委員第10目本席有兩個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
18733.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
18737.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
195案我們是特別救原住民族就業服務經費389.1萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
18742.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
18766.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
我們要特別說明現在原住民族的整個家庭低收入戶還是佔比非常高顯現出原住民族家庭經濟情況相對弱勢所以我們覺得整個的就業服務的成效我們現在看到是覺得不夠所以我們希望凍結 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
18769.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
18790.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
這項預算389.1萬等到原住民委員會改善原住民家庭收入提出具體的改善方案專案報告之後我們再來動之再來考慮動之那第196案呢主要就是原住民族社會安全發展計劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
18792.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
18812.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
當中的業務費的委辦費,裡面有4,420萬2千元。這個本席在質詢的時候也講過,應該講過一兩次了。就是原住民族的工作權,工作權的部分。那這一個部分呢,我們整個的原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
18814.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
18830.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
委員會就貸金的部分一直沒有提出具體的改善方案所以我們凍結這項預算500萬希望這個專案報告之後我們再視情況來解凍以上兩案,謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].start |
18836.911 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
18849.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
謝謝主席我是針對198案有關原住民族社會安全發展計畫的業務費的一般事務費我們可以看到就是在113年度的預算數是237萬6千元可是114年度這個政府達到3.91倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
18860.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
18871.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
是3.91倍,所以我是覺得這個部分明年度增加的幅度實在太大所以這個部分是不是我建議要減劣550萬,謝謝還有沒有其他委員?那個,那個劉委員現在主席197案,這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
18886.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
18911.669 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
運用AI跟高齡科技創造原住民長者高齡友善居家安全環境事辦計畫這利益良善 這沒有問題不過內容上他只有寫說就是用身高體重計跟血壓計去做大數據的蒐集那跟AI其實沒有什麼直接關係你不要因為現在政府希望是AI內閣就所有事情都弄個AI好像很新潮一樣可是你的內容如果跟他沒有關係的話是很奇怪的一件事情那第二個問題是說這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].start |
18914.409 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
18941.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
身體資料其實屬於各自的範圍的一部分那時候我們跟辦公室在要求說明的時候針對各自的部分如何保護應該也不是說保護啦就是說你如何去確保這個被測量的人他願意提供資料這件事情的配套措施說明的沒有很完善啦所以我是覺得這個有加強說明是必要所以我們這邊有主張凍結該項預算的30%好不好那這個提相關的詳細說明配套措施完善之後使得凍值以上謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].start |
18946.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].end |
18959.173 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
我本席是在第194案那這個是提到社會安全網第二期的計畫那它編列是兩億七千八百六十萬喔那實際上是110到114啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].start |
18961.736 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
18986.412 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
不過我們都知道這個過去的原家中心好不容易已經納入了社會安全網所以他未來在制度面、經費面都能夠有更好的一個保障但是因為要納入社會安全網仍舊有許多地方的團體有一些些的疑慮他還能不能夠跟過去一樣保有這樣的一個網中網的一個任務功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
18989.694 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
19003.003 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
所以之前去年今年也有去做過到行政院找林萬一政委來協助所以有了一個好的方向但是呢上路在即現在的新架構是督導與社工分屬兩個體系 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].start |
19006.445 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
19032.405 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
所以這個部分因為有很多就是還沒有在工作方法上的一個指引那他們也有安全感所以我還是希望說能夠我原本是凍結20%但是我現在本席改組決議啦我希望說能夠到辦公室就書面報告還有親自的來做一個報告那讓我們對這個重要的一個制度能夠有更好的一個溝通掌握謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].start |
19037.381 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
19046.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
來,盧偉好,謝謝主席我本席是第192項關於原住民族社會安全發展計畫的業務費我這邊編列了5,857萬9千元那我詢問過我們住宿刑場造機構的設置情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
19053.593 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
19079.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
結果原民會的回答只是說並非是中央業務組織機關因此沒有辦法提供相關的資料那既然這個部分因為他是主管原住民族醫療衛生保健業務、推動原住民族社會福利及原住民族就業服務等相關事宜我希望他把原住民族而申請住宿省長照機構這個部分能夠跟衛福部充分溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
19080.024 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
19091.193 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
文化敏感度的部分,還有在地安養和原住民的長照文采能夠禁用的部分,能夠做相當的配合,才能夠放行凍結,就是20%的凍結數。 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
19094.878 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
19122.971 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
高居瑋我們現在談的是第十目也就是我們社會服務推展業務社服務的我們明年度的預算總共要編三十億兩千多萬元我針對186案這個部分就是社會服務推展這個部分就是原住民的健康保險老年基本保證年金的業務我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
19124.071 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
19138.279 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
我們一點都不貼心啊這個社福處我們老年人第一年紀比較大第二呢原鄉地區交通不方便他的資源匱乏資訊流通不足這真的會導致 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
19139.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
19147.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金—原住民族綜合發展基金。四、繼續審查中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金—原住民族綜合發展基金。五、繼續審查中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金—原住民族綜合發展基金。 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
19163.927 |
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19186.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
嫁接起來之後把它給我們的中規處以後我們就不要老人家每年自己要去申請了所以我本來凍結你們五百萬啦現在我凍結你們兩百萬希望你們三個月之內要向我們內政委員會提出專案報告我再讓你解凍另外一個案子是190案 |
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19191.081 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
19197.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
192對於《原住民工作權保障法》大法官的釋字第810號解釋是違憲的,要在兩年內依據解釋的意旨進行修正。 |
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19207.498 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
19219.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
政府處,你們一直在兩年內,你們都還沒有喔!所以已過了兩年喔!所以,也就是原住民工作權保障法目前還一直在停留在違憲 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
19221.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].end |
19221.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
一、繼續審查一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
19258.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
19280.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
主席、各位委員,謝謝各位委員一直關心我們設不出相關的業務。為了方便,大概我就是從那個185的開始,我用那個暗號來去做一個逐一說明。那185的部分大概除了麥委員,也謝謝麥委員改為主席。那還有189、191跟200。那這個部分大概我們都是有跟衛福部國建署那邊去做合作。 |
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19281.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
19300.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
專業部分在衛福部但是我們在分工的部分是在做宣導所以我們在我們的文件站當中也幫忙去宣導說怎麼樣讓我們的婦幼或者是我們的結合病患者的一些相關的一些衛教的部分透過我們的照護員我們大概辦這個已經在那個婦幼部分大概已經有辦了大概72場有1,700多1,700多個人次 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
19304.651 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
19306.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
19329.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
19343.529 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
同樣的我們在婦幼跟婦女的健檢部分我們也希望多做一個協助所以也拜託所有相關這個事案的委員都可以按照185一樣都是給予主決議讓我們用數據報告做一個詳細的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
19348.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
19374.378 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
那在針對第186的部分有剛剛高軍委員提的這個這個我一直認為是一個很好的一個問題有幫我們問到一些相關幫我們看到但是我跟委員報告我們在去年的時候在國民監理委員會的時候提出一樣的問題希望在勞保局的那個那個他普遍通行的過程當中就一次就是直接告訴我們的主任你到底符合資格可是他告訴我們是因為他有法律的規定就是必須現在就 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
19374.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
19403.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
國民年金法的規定它還是希望族人要提出申請制所以我們有看過上次在我們會議上面有提出所以它其實大概就全國它沒有分出原住民全國當中它有來申請的也不過是80幾%而已所以還有剩下的那個部分確實是權益上面那有可能是出國有可能是真的是像我們在部落裡面因為像馬來西亞那麼遠的地方它沒有辦法來做一個申請但是這個國民年金就是衛福部那邊 |
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19404.535 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
19404.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
三、繼續審三、繼續審 |
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19433.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
19441.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
二、繼續審查188年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。三、繼續審查197年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金。 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
19463.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
19463.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
一、繼續審。四、繼續審。五、繼續審。 |
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19481.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
19506.541 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
都會請長者幫我們寫下那個同意書所以目前雖然是事半大概我們大概有25家文件站是慢慢這樣加進來那這裡面還有很多功能包含是說你用藥提醒瓦斯火災的那個相關的政策我們都希望可以透過IT或是AI的相關的一些數據可以讓我們真正讓我們文件站我們的獨居長者那個生活品質會越來越好 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
19508.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
19514.964 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
一、繼續審查一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查七、繼續審查八、繼續審查九、繼續審查十、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、 |
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19534.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
19553.497 |
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不可能受到工作歧視說只能做月顧五類我們希望有更多的公務的部門來使用按照法令的規定來禁用更多的原住民族人這樣的話也可以讓我們的工作收入現在差去8000多也可以來做一個來慢慢的增加因為畢竟現在公務人員的薪水比一般的人還是有稍微有好一點 |
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19555.019 |
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19567.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
第二、繼續審查192年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金。三、繼續審查192年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金。四、繼續審查192年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金。 |
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19577.518 |
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19591.685 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
所以委員他們都希望說我們在平台當中去解決我們原住民社級的長照相關問題所以也不怕說因為我們顏名會的分工沒有在這邊但是我們在平台上面我們都可以來去做一個處理所以這個麻煩委員是不是也可以改為主決議 |
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19592.725 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
19601.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
193年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金。四、繼續審查194年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金。五、繼續審查194年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金。六、繼續審查197年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金。七、繼續審查198年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金。 |
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19619.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
19619.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
一、繼續審 |
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19638.402 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
19660.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
增加到2億7千多萬左右。那就也謝謝委員來照顧我們。所以我們的221個原住民的社工人員已經讓他們不用再擔心明年的工作還有沒有。好,那進入到第195萬,那謝謝許營委員的那個指導。那這跟委員報告,那現在如果把這個都減列,389萬是等於一個就業科的預算都沒有了。 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
19661.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
19681.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
他的那個整個就業課的預算就只有389萬而已但是他裡面要做的五項工作大概是就業狀況調查工作前保障法的宣導還有督發計劃資訊設備93萬而已然後剩下就拆理費那但是我們對一些說我們低收入高的那個部分或是說我們的就業成效的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
19682.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
19702.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
我們從一個數據來看就好了我們的就業力已經跟現在跟全國已經差0.05從過去已經是8點多已經從政府這樣十幾年這樣一直下來這樣已經慢慢我們的失業率已經趨近0所以我們在108年開始我們有發現到一個數據就是我們的工作收入跟全國還是差了大概8千多萬 |
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19703.127 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
19704.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
一、繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
19713.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
19716.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
19741.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
19741.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
三、繼續審 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
19760.657 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
19760.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
二、繼續審 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
19779.048 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
19784.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
二、繼續審查11923年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金 |
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19804.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
19820.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
最後就是在198徐益臻委員的那個部分跟委員報告因為前面剛剛有提到是因為我們的社工有增加預算已經正式可以納入到預算了所以我們相關所有的一些預算都會做一個等比例的增加所以是不是建議委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
19821.657 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
19846.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
這個部分可以因為我們有相關業務都增加所以才會有這樣的倍數增加所以一般事務會的部分建勤委員是不是可以給一個那個主婕宜或者是建宜免三這個再拜託委員那199部分以後那雖然是扣大概大概一個六萬塊那也這個這個再拜託委員那200以上大概都已經做一個初步的說明謝謝委員好 鄭騙昌委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
19855.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
19881.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
好 謝謝我們這個處長詳細的說明這個第一個原住民族工作權保障法之所以上一屆沒有完成你現在說都超額超額按照你們所送來的版本下次就因為所有的清潔人員工友那些一般的鄉長就不會用了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
19882.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
19882.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
二、繼續審 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
19902.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
19904.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
19917.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
19924.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
19946.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
19971.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
阿紐爺那個剛剛針對那個AI這件事情我還是沒有說到非常明白啦你到底是要放文件站還是要放獨居長者的家裡還是說他們一定都會去文件站現在趕快回答一下文件站裡面有一千多個獨居長者都會在文件站就對了那你這個一千多萬因為你講說用AI收集數據不然房子跌倒等等他都在文件站了 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
19972.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
19972.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
三、繼續審 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
20003.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
20003.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
好。 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
20005.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
20027.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
好,第195案你這個報告的單位你就是隨便念過去那你隨便念過去我聽過去我也發現其實我凍結你你的業務你念了三項其實那三項你沒做反正情況也是如此所以感覺這389.1萬還是該凍結等你們具體的專案報告 |
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20034.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
20049.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
之後我們再來解凍再考慮要不要解凍那196萬剛剛這個政經財委員也有提我聽你講你說什麼聘用的早就超過什麼預計聘用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
20050.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
20075.125 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
我們現在就是發現很多企業就是沒有聘任一定比例的原住民然後呢他最後就繳納代金而且呢他可能就是用最低工資這樣繳納所以還是對於我們這個原住民的這個工作權的保障我們認為還是沒有做到所以我們這邊還是一樣凍結500萬希望可以有專案報告謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
20081.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
20099.515 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
謝謝主席剛剛針對198案有剛剛有說明就說是因為人數跟業務的增加所以有等比例的增加經費嗎不過目前政府因為是3.91倍啦那我不曉得您說的等比的增加是多少是不是能夠提供數據好嗎好要該提供的數據要提供那 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
20109.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
20121.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
各位委員,如果照剛剛鄭天才委員的提議,大家有沒有意見?我知道,我知道。高金委員,高金委員要說。 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
20126.644 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
20152.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
至於待會要凍結多少錢我覺得大家可以休息一下討論另外我想要問一下原民會主委我剛剛沒有在我的這個提案裡面因為你到各個文件站你已經說明年要提高他們的業務費請問一下你是哪裡來的底氣已經說這個預算找到了嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
20161.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
20175.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
今年有增加一點業務費從哪裡增加?長照基金所以今年有提高一點,那明年呢?你有跟大家說明年要提高業務費,提高多少? |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
20176.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
20201.641 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
報告委員,其實我們大概今年的時候啊,我們的業務費以前過去是比較少,但是我們比照為何不得向東長江站,所以我們的那個業務費其實有等比例都增加蠻多的,最高可以到大概幾乎到100,大概60到100。我知道啊,但是問題是主委到各個文件站是說明年他要再提高業務費耶。主委你沒有忘把,要不要把這個新聞弄給你看。 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
20202.679 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
20230.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
提供就是部分的業務費給我們的文件站不是講部分啦業務費就是業務費啊目前是多少?處長你來說明一下目前我們的文件站的業務費是多少錢?對,三個不同的等級從六十幾萬到大概一百萬左右都有因為它有分三日、五日然後還有二十人、三十人跟四十人我知道那所以現在主委到各個文件站聽好我的問題說明年要增加他們的業務費 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
20232.521 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
20241.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
因為這要負責任啊主委你講的話要負責任啊而且新聞媒體都播出來了請問你要增加多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
20243.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
20264.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
我們是部分的增加不是說一個不是 你有分三個等級嘛對 三個等級要增加多少第一個等級增加多少第二個等級增加多少第三個等級增加多少這些錢你跟衛福部談好了沒有如果沒有談好的話你就到部落裡面去說明那我等一下再凍結預算我就必須要凍結喔我們還沒談好但是因為這個我們業務單位會做一個評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
20269.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
20270.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
二、繼續審 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
20287.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
20311.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
但是我們的主委到各個文件站都已經跟我們的文件站說明年度要調高他們的業務費趙委跟你報告一下說要不要負責任所以我特別問他因為這個預算不是在他們手上是在衛福部所以今天在你業務回答審預算的時候你繼續要負責任的告訴我們要增加多少的業務費 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
20312.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
20327.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
不管是一級、二級、三級你要增加10%、20%你總要說明啊因為你到文件站都已經跟大家報告了啊那我跟委員報告齁那因為我們都會做一個那個查核那查核之後會分兩塊一個就是說如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
20329.617 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
20344.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
你沒有回答我的問題啦!政委,他們如果這樣子的話我就要凍結他們多一點的預算了因為主委,我剛剛說了你已經是主委了你不是文化中心主任主委管原民會的業務是 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
20347.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
20365.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
橫向聯繫他跟一個小內閣一樣你很辛苦我們都知道但是你不能夠因為你是主委的身份到各個地方去隨便亂開支票啊所以當我看到新聞說你要來增加文件站的業務費的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
20367.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
20367.219 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
二、繼續審二、繼續審 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
20388.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
20398.069 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
我們這裡我們會跟衛福處來談我有信心跟衛福部不能夠講信心啦主委我沒有講要增加多少的額度啊你已經到各地方的文件證都已經說要提高金額了那請問一下衛福部有告訴你他願意接受多少嗎我的記憶喔因為當初主委在談這個兩萬其實我們已經跟衛福部有談了那談的時候他也同意可以增加兩萬塊所以我們到11月中旬所以你有什麼意思增加業務費增加兩萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
20418.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
20433.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
對,增加兩萬四,主要是因為那個火石會的部分,因為那個物料增加所以我們到10月的時候,正式才會用公文的方式來去告訴說這個是確定的,明年就會增加你說什麼10月份的公文要給10月份我們有正式發 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
20435.729 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
20450.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
九月三號的時候就有正式發新聞稿跟讓大家知道說那過去我們那個兩萬塊的部分已經跟衛福部談好了就是可以讓大家所有的業務會再增加兩萬塊所以你的意思是說只增加兩萬塊兩萬塊有符合我們現在的物價嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
20451.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
20456.065 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
你現在清楚知道你不能夠講伙食費欸你現在所有的業務伙食費的其中包含在裡面欸是嗎?對吧?處長你比我清楚嘛那你的意思是說每個文件占業務費只增加兩萬塊? |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
20472.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
20481.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
是這樣的意思嗎?增加2萬塊的意思嗎?但跟衛福部講好了嗎?那現在最高的業務費是多少?最高是101。101增加2萬是多少? |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
20487.474 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
20513.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
99到101,剛剛已經加了,就101了加了兩萬塊,101兩萬塊會增加他的多少伙食費?請問一下一個人增加多少?至少是最低是大概60塊,我們不能低於60塊你60塊去哪裡買便當?所以每一個地方會不大一樣所以,所以,主委、處長你們應該是要跟衛福部趕快增加你60塊要去哪裡買便當?我請問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
20517.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
20534.256 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
現在60塊可以買到便當嗎?所以你有增加2萬塊,好,我們就不在這邊凍結你。但是以後希望你們在講這件事情的時候,應該要去思考文件站到底缺少多少。 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
20535.253 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
20535.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
二、繼續審 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
20564.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
20564.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
一、繼續審 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
20577.668 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
20604.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
謝謝主席不好意思有一場好像發新聞稿那天因為我有在場主席是希望因為時間很晚盡量能不發言就不要發言那我趁主席允許我現在發言因為我是覺得主委剛剛站在那邊看我覺得蠻辛苦的啦因為我們質詢大家都知道我們每次都在幫文件站抱怨 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
20607.11 |
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20612.264 |
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業務費包山包海包括油料、油費接老人家 |
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所以其實要拿來去煮餐大家也都怨聲載道現在物價那麼高又地處偏遠這一些整個採購其實成本都很高那也幫忙質詢也在衛福部那邊也希望能夠多多幫忙所以我覺得作為一個原住民事務主管機關的主委要有這樣的一個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
擔事擔心擔心擔心擔心擔心擔心 |
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20688.996 |
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因為這個文件站是過去8年深受我們部落非常肯定的一個長照政策但是確實還有很多不足的地方特別是空間的部分所以我也希望我們也要再接再厲就這個需求希望原民會要主動謝謝 |
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好,那我們就整目凍結兩千萬,然後所有委員提案並按處理,然後專案報告後時可動之。好,謝謝。那我們現在再來就是主決議。主決議都有去溝通過了吧?好,不是啦。主委,都有溝通過了齁? |
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有溝通但是我還抱歉主決議的部分就是基金的部分抱歉我們現在是要講主決議了嗎?我們先處理主決議等一下才是基金我們要談一下就是主決議的部分我是有講到這個綜合發展基金的部分綜合發展基金我們可以看到第201 |
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20756.277 |
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二、繼續審大家看一下右邊我做的歷年撥補基金的額度 |
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20773.277 |
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我們的政府從105年有撥給基金會預算以後106一直到114年都沒有所以當我們在談進法補償不能夠使用綜合發展基金的原因是因為我們看到基金已經短處達到了67.66億 |
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所以我相信主計總署跟行政院也清楚知道這個基金的短處的問題因此在禁法補償的部分全部要由公務基金來編列了公務預算來編列了但是我們的綜合發展基金講得很清楚它有它要做的事情 |
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但是現在按照短處的67.66億我們有很多東西都不能做了所以因此我跟鄭天才委員在立法院裡面我們有提案綜合發展基金是不能夠 |
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水位不能夠少於一百億的原因就是因為中發基金有它要做的事情然後到目前為止短處因為它的短處所以有四大項要做的事情都沒有好好的做所以因此呢在這裡我的主決議我是希望我們的主計總處能夠一次性的撥補 |
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這個因為禁法補償而導致我們綜合發展基金短處67.66億的主決議所以我請問一下這個原民會主委我知道了你們認為一致性是有問題的啦對吧是不是那如果如果我在這邊跟你說分三年你們應該沒有問題吧 |
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20892.312 |
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所以在組決議上面所以我在這邊你看倒數第三行 |
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編列相關的預算我本來是寫一次性的撥補那這裡呢我們就把它改為分三年補足平均分三年來補足因為禁法補償所導致的短處的 |
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20923.866 |
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20930.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
綜合發展基金額度以確保基金持續發揮促進原住民族經濟與社會發展的功能。 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].start |
20937.411 |
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請問一下這樣有聽懂齁那個一次性那個我們就分3年來補足平均分3年平均來補足我是聽得懂啦請主委說一下我們會努力爭取啦就是分3年來爭取好 謝謝他去爭取決定前在那個主計總處還有行政院 |
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20966.974 |
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20993.179 |
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好,那個主委,所有的組決議都沒問題齁?都照案通過是不是?三個案子文字修正除了201案、204案、214案有文字修正之外,其他的都OK嗎?OK對齁?蛤?你用麥克風講啊?不然大家沒聽到?對對齁?這樣大家都聽到 |
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好,那我們就所有組決議就照這樣通過好不好?因為我這邊有做文字修正,我還是說明一下好不好?我這邊在216案齁,也就是 |
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我們現在聯絡道路實際是1805公里可是實際養戶只有1022公里落差非常大所以原民會這邊要努力去爭取更多的經費未請緊編列2.20再增加1.7還是遠遠不足所以希望三個月提出檢討報告謝謝好你要回答可以可以啦會我會努力好 |
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好 那就這樣齁 那我們接下來趕快我們來審這個原住民族文化事業基金會預算還有來一個你剛剛這兩個保留的喔 對齁 來來來 不好意思我們最早那個保留的第一案 第二案第一案 第二案嘿 |
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第一案、第二案 |
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就是我們最開始的稅出的部分那個通案通案的部分那我們後面我們剛每一條都有處理的這裡我們就不處理的啦好不好喔好啦好啦就好好不好好啦那就一樣專案報告啦好不好那我們就這樣子好不好好謝謝那我們現在來那個我剛說的原住民族文化事業基金會預算 |
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21148.772 |
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來,我們收入沒有委員提案大家有沒有找到?這一個就原住民族文化事業基金會預算有沒有?應該手上都有吧?有啦齁?蛤?我是提醒啦,提醒 |
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本來那個他們要去處理的時候,一到這邊來處理。我知道我知道,可是,不是咧,可是,他好像不是這個啊。不是,他應該是綜合發展基金那個吧。是文化事業這個啊。不是吧。 |
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不是不是那個高居委員我們要我們要處理的應該是原住民族委員研究發展基金的吧對啊啊所以應該是這一個 |
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我們不好意思喔各位我們要先來處理原住民族文化發展中心的預算案好不好因為他這個算是公預算我們先處理我們稅務部分各位委員 |
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徐委員主席這個爭奪收入部分我是暗號3 |
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因為我們知道針對這個部分我知道曾主委之前就是在原住民文化發展中心擔任主任那所以以這個稅入的部分針對他的相關的這個規費的收入我是覺得目前只編這樣的預算數是相對有點太少啦那我覺得所以我的提案是要增列300萬 |
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徐宇貞委員政略300黃俊斌委員政略500吳飛希望他們能加緊努力 |
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議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員 |
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稍等,稍等,稍等,稍等稍等稍等稍等稍等稍等稍等稍等稍等稍等稍等稍等稍等稍等稍等稍等稍等稍等稍等稍等稍等稍等稍等稍等稍等 |
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21399.545 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
21399.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
二、繼續審 |
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| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
21437.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
所以我們這一兩年也爭取到那個行政院那個綠珠雕琢的計劃那麼持續把一些公共設施跟服務的環境的部分做改善跟更新那麼第二個我們希望透過郵程的活動的設計讓年輕的遊客的比例能夠增加不過我跟委員報告不過這需要時間所以因為我們這幾年稅務的規模都一樣 |
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21441.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
21442.521 |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查 |
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21491.31 |
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我覺得最少也要300萬吧你不能夠按照原來你看一下黃金兵委員是要讓你們增列1000萬喔我是要500喔然後最少的是徐宇貞委員的喔所以給你們目標好不好因為現在花東地區已經是遊客很少了所以你們疲東要加油要努力好不好所以我覺得300我同意啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[776].end |
21492.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].text |
三、繼續審 |
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21540.944 |
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我們收入部分我們就增加增列300萬再來我們開始稅出的部分我們第一幕一般行政徐委員只有你有提案她不在我是提案第五案跟第六案 |
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21542.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].end |
21560.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].text |
第五案的部分主要是因為我們現在說水電費的部分因為其實當然我們都知道今年水電費有增加不過因為你現在增列的漲幅是23%所以我想賴總統有提過我們政府要帶領各行各業進行深度節能 |
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21561.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].end |
21584.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].text |
所以說這個部分的話我們還增加的幅度是高達23%所以我是提案要減劣100萬元然後另外在第6案的部分是針對我們這個原住民文化發展中心在一般行政向下的基本行政工作維持的部分因為我們可以看到就是 |
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21584.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].end |
21605.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].text |
今年編列的預算數是比去年多了7.18倍那我不曉得說針對這個部分為什麼會編列的預算增加這麼多就當花則花啦但是我覺得不該浪費的一毛錢都不能浪費尤其是增加了7.18倍以上要不要說明一下 |
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五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查 |
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21627.941 |
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21654.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].text |
更新,這是我們很重要的一個文物館的一個重新啟用。那麼第二個就是明年1月我們會取得使用執照的我們的歌舞館。那麼這個歌舞館它裡面可以容納850個人的作息。那麼它到時候是南台灣很重要的原住民樂舞展演的基地,也在明年1月會取得使用執照。那麼第三個是生態展示館會重新啟用,都是在明年初的事情。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[783].end |
21655.023 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].text |
三、繼續審 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].start |
21672.436 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].end |
21698.129 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].text |
電費調漲因素純粹是為了有三大管社要更新。我們同步也有在做一些節能的一個努力。所以我們現在在有一些空調的時間還有空調的那個溫度的管控上都已經有做一些調整。那麼這樣的處理之後我們何時的評估在明年的這些水電費的確是有這樣一個需要。所以我們才做這樣一個編料那這個是水電費的一個部分。 |
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21698.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].end |
21716.402 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].text |
至於剛才委員還有提到公共設施我們在114年的預算比本年度多了4000多萬裡面扣掉2300萬是綠珠雕琢的最後一年的計劃其他公共設施的部分大概增加了1000多萬塊、2000萬因為跟我們報告我們園區的環境有42公頃 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].start |
21722.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].end |
21746.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].text |
有79棟傳統建物有7大廳舍從民國76年啟用到現在37年的時間很多的廳舍還有很多的一些講重點好不好所以我們這個有關公共設施環境改善的部分是經過核實的評估需要在明年做一些改善增加對遊客的服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].start |
21751.182 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].end |
21765.462 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].text |
問題是,剛剛你講的這些跟去年度相比有增加哪些聽涉嗎?你剛剛講的應該本來就有嘛,對不對?那為什麼今年度會增加這麼多的機會?像我舉一個例子,像我們那個傳統監獄有79棟 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].start |
21768.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].end |
21793.465 |
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我們大概都每年要做部分的一個一個一個更新那麼第二個也就是我們一些水電的基礎設施比如說高壓電比如說自來水管比如說道路的護坡都需要做個處理所以我們是因為在原來的預算不足的情況之下那麼持續跟原民會爭取所以在明年度的時候多編了這些公共基礎設施環境的一個預算 |
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21794.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].end |
21798.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].text |
公共設施公共設施公共設施公共設施公共設施公共設施公共設施 |
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那就先用凍結然後等到相關的資料那這樣子好不好就第一幕啊徐委員我們第一幕整幕凍結兩百萬然後你要書面還是專案書面我們書面再跟委員報告好徐委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[791].end |
21845.545 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].text |
二、繼續審二、繼續審二、繼續審 |
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21870.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].end |
21871.782 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].text |
二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查 |
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21898.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].end |
21914.445 |
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我是針對第9案就是有關藝術展演及文化推廣業務上下的藝術展演業務經費這次是資訊軟硬體的設備費也是一樣比去年度增加了200萬 |
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21920.028 |
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二、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查 |
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一、繼續審 |
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努力。那麼現在還有4000多件的典藏的文物需要進入這個所謂的數位典藏的一個系統那因為前幾年都沒有編列這個這個這個經費所以我們在今年就爭取本會的支持在明年爭取這200萬我們會把剩下的那個4000件4000件的文物會進入那個為什麼前幾年都沒有編列因為預算有限 |
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那前幾年的主任是誰啊?我以前在那邊就是經費不多啦所以就是很辛苦的在經營所以當然今天就是說看到了那邊的困難那我想要讓那邊希望因為畢竟是37年的一個歷史很多東西一定要還是要盡量讓它再充實一下 |
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主委的意思是說因為你以前在那邊所以知道很多地方是需要改善的地方所以這次才特別編經費那所以這麼久的時間都沒有做的原因是因為沒有經費那如果像你今年編列這兩百萬之後你覺得這個部分的計畫就可以把這個典藏的部分做好嗎?就可以完成嗎? |
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主席 |
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22067.921 |
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出版文化及環境教育相關書籍 |
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22085.915 |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查七、繼續審查八、繼續審查十。 |
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22127.349 |
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傳統植物的調查所以我們也出了幾本有關原住民傳統植物的書刊那麼這個書刊除了讓我們的導覽內容更豐富之外也可以讓外界知道我們台灣原住民族文化園區有哪些原住民的傳統作物所以錢不是很多其實我們總共才91萬不過真的要出版幾本書的話 |
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實體閱讀實體書刊 |
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他把標本做出來的意思啊?不是,我們比如說我們在去年跟前年做了一本原住民族文化園區的傳統植物的一個介紹,他就是把我們園區裡面所有的跟原住民有關的傳統的植物做了一個調查,然後出了一本書,分上下集。 |
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二、繼續審 |
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這樣我們請高進委員這個部分請那個信義委員就是能夠支持了其實預算不多但是我要要求你們因為現在教文處裡面有一個知識體系建構知識體系你們應該要把你們的這些你剛剛所說的調查出來的職務也好標本也好你們要跟教文處的知識體系嫁接你們有嫁接起來嗎目前沒有請問一下處長 |
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嘉文處的陳處長不是我覺得原民會裡面你們預算已經不多了我們很願意支持你們的預算可是你們不要各做各的好不好你們各處事你們的橫向聯繫都要啊因為我們立法委員不斷的幫你爭取經費然後把政策給它弄好可是你們自己內部裡面的橫向聯繫都不要講到其他的部會哦你自己都沒有哦所以請問一下那個黃主任是不是 |
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秋黃主任,你們也能夠跟教文處合作,好不好?我們也爭取徐欣盈委員不要給你們減劣這個錢,讓你們去做。但是呢,它就是我們知識體系的建構很重要的核心價值,可以嗎?既然高金委員這樣講,而且剛剛你也講你們的這種實體 |
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三、繼續審三、繼續審 |
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這樣是不是我們節目待會兒再來討論跟邁財文委員有什麼意見要說,我們讓他說完再來討論,請邁財文委員。謝謝主席關於就是我們原住民的藝術展演還有文化推廣這個部分因為我們每次就是活動 |
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三、繼續審 |
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22347.508 |
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原住民族綜合發展基金 |
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22365.157 |
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22365.538 |
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管理中心展現。 |
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這些的話有很多都是失傳這個部分我們也希望說在關於原住民的這個文化還有這個藝術的部分是不是我們要怎麼樣讓他就是保留跟我們長輩挖寶 |
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二、繼續審 |
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三、繼續審 |
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我非常清楚知道主委你之前在這個位置上我在文化部給你們建立一個平台對不對我要問一下這個平台齁跟你們現在列的1865萬6千元有沒有增加還是就在你這個1865萬裡面來做文化部有沒有給你們增加預算 |
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現在重點的工作大概都是在南島論壇的那一項 |
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三、繼續審 |
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22536.397 |
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因為我在教文出了之後我來內政的時候你們不可以弄到南島去喔當時我建立這個平台就是要讓我們的藝術展演跟文化推廣喔這個文化推廣包括我們各鄉鎮的博物館喔那你們怎麼會把錢放在別的地方呢你們每一年開幾次會 |
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22538.018 |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
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二、繼續審二、繼續審二、繼續審二、繼續審二、繼續審二、繼續審二、繼續審二、繼續審 |
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22581.091 |
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二、繼續審 |
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22624.345 |
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怎麼分?他們佔百分之幾?你們佔百分之幾?細部的資料我手邊現在沒有,是不是?好,這樣子,那如果是這樣子的話,我們看一下第二幕,牛喜廷委員有凍結你百分之二十,那其他人都是在減劣,麥義貞委員凍結百分之十。我的建議,你就凍結百分之十五,你來跟我說明,因為你剛剛突然爆出一個難導,嚇死我了。 |
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三、繼續審 |
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報告召委,我們沒有刪減就凍結,然後請他來做專案報告,好嗎?謝謝 |
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那是說15%?15%?1865萬6千的15%?對那就是整目凍結15%,所有委員的案子並按處理,專案報告後時可動之,好不好?然後關於南島那個就是保留協商 |
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22709.644 |
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22709.905 |
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我們繼續來主決議 |
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主席主席 |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查七、繼續審查八、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五 |
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22777.191 |
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已經改組決議了那再來業務成本與費用麥委員 |
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這個部分因為我們看到就是我們原住民的這邊的那個業務費這邊我們是要補助就是我們的業收入最低於兩萬的就是我們的族群但是我看我這邊是提了六個但是這個都是補助給我們需要的但是我看他的 |
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原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金 |
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22851.102 |
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就是很簡略也沒有真正的報告清楚所以這個部分我們他們也有來跟我們去做溝通所以我這邊的話我們全部六案我就凍結每一個案就是兩百萬 |
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主委要不要說明一下 |
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謝謝委員,我們綜合發展基金主要在業務成本的費用有大家很關心的進法補償所以剛剛委員所講的第二、第三、第四、第五這四案的部分我們就尊重書面報告然後凍結200萬然後在第六案的部分那個科目 |
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列為原住民族就業基金這個部分剛剛也有跟委員辦公室溝通就是那個科目要做修正所以簡單講說請委員支持這五案我們都是總共凍結兩百萬然後順便報告以上好那就全部就整個業務費用我們凍結一千萬一個兩百乘以五 |
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全部200?好,全部200,順便報告20個,好謝謝,然後再來主決議。 |
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你們到底有沒有跟人家委員溝通好啦有在跟委員說明因為我們業務費用裡面其實大部分的這個部分其實是在支持支持這個是不是委員同意就是整個業務成本跟費用我們就動200因為大部分是進法補償的費用啦還是要跟委員做報告那書面報告我們都會照委員的建議裡面去詳實的來說明好以上 |
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主決議主決議有沒有意見 |
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我們的部分沒有意見,對。喔,好。我們要先處理哪一個?好,來。然後我們先從這個... |
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原住民族語言研究發展基金會預算這裡我們先來處理這個收入部分沒有委員提案這案要移到這邊來處理162案這是語發中心的收入語言只有一個案子 |
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| transcript.whisperx[843].end |
23072.289 |
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所以那個剛剛162案的部分162案不是要改來這裡? |
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對啊1624在這裡啊嘿所以你會好你們先說明 |
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這個一補就補三億多本項預算比去年增加了三千多萬因為七大執行策略五十幾個工作項目你當然都略有增加但是你沒有辦法在我們辦公室要求的期限內提出詳細說明我們一樣我們當然支持政府推動政策但該說明該把詳細的資料交出來是要交所以我們就凍結三千萬好不好 |
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等你報告出來同意之後再來動之嘛好不好 |
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主席說明說明說明說明說明說明說明說明說明說明說明說明說明說明說明說明說明 |
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16年底會提出這是第一個部分那同時也會增進修改我們那個竹群一樂園的這個這幾年來的一些這個措置的部分所以也增加了專研也包括 |
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系統的那個優化,這是第二個部分。除了這個之外,我們也加強化口譯人才的培育,特別口譯人才的培育中,我們透過訓練能夠讓我們的口譯人才能夠在活動中使用母語。這就也謝謝劉委員的這個支持,以上說明。 |
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有關於剛剛那個3000多萬的部分如果是包含剛剛AI的那個就是剛剛有特別講到我們因為現在在搶救族友我們都在跟時間賽跑嘛那很多的長者不斷的就是離開我們我們一直很想趕快把這些珍貴的這些語言可以完全的保存下來所以AI |
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23249.459 |
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結合去做這個不管是影像或者一些未來甚至元宇宙的一個這個紀錄跟設計是很重要的所以如果是在這3000多萬如果是有涉及到這樣子的一個計畫我想我是反對去凍結這筆預算因為我們真的在跟時間賽跑啦 |
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二、繼續審 |
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因為這個部分就書面報告了你書面報告送來就解凍了不是專案報告我其實只要書面說明而已啦因為你專案報告可能會影響業務的排行這個我們願意理解但我總要可以交代嘛我們要監督要知道項目的時候書面報告了好不好你們多久之內可以提出你看我現在很溫柔都在問你多久可以提出 |
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二、繼續審 |
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三千萬年底前書面報告後解凍 |
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業務支出的部分因為所有提案委員都不在場我們就不處理了啦然後再來主決議主決議啊有沒有主決議沒有跟委員說沒有沒有意見啦沒有問題啦沒有問題好沒有問題就好因為都沒來溝通就是表示沒問題啦 |
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二、繼續審再來我們處理財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會預算收入部分一樣剛剛高金委員的163案、164案、165案我們在這邊處理高金委員還是要直接請他們說明 |
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原住民族委員會主管作業基金—原住民族綜合發展基金。四、繼續審 |
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文化事業基金兩百多位。然後這兩百多位還不能夠來自治,都一直在偽製。然後因此才會有採購爭議。大家看到了,前一段時間他們同樣的劇本 |
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二、繼續審。三、繼續審。 |
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第一個要求就是要檢討它的西置結構。第二個,它的委制比例太多於這個自治了。第三個就是採購正義的調查報告。我知道原民會你已經有出稿了,對吧?處長沒有錯嗎?請處長。 |
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有針對那個信息節目採購的部分我們有一個建議案有提供給議員會來參考。好,你們只是一個建議案,這個建議我看到了,你們是要求它廢標嗎?對吧?這個部分因為它採購存在進行中,我跟委員報告說我們有一個很具體的建議給議員會做參考。 |
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除了這個建議他們之外,我覺得所謂的行政責任、政治責任也要在裡面。請問處長有沒有?這部會等他們這個程序告一段落之後,我們會來要求。什麼時候?他們應該,快請一位來說明一下。好,請董事長來說明一下。 |
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報告委員,我們有關於這個案的檢討,包括行政作業的疏失,包括懲處的未接或者是人員,我們在一個月內我們會完成這個部分。太久了吧,一個月。我們現在都在審你的預算了耶。不太久啦。而且事發到現在已經很長一段時間了。對,因為這個標案還在進行。 |
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那所以你們現在是準備讓它繼續飆下去嗎?還是你們會檢討?當然會檢討。好,因為我手上已經拿到有一些當事人給我的一些資料,其實對你們非常沒有不利的。我相信你們應該也很清楚知道了。所以請問一下薪資結構還有委制比例過高,那個部分你們要怎麼處理?包委員,這部分確實在執行沒有,是不是請執行長再說一下?可以,來說明一下。 |
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知識比例與委制的比例,我們這幾年都有逐步的做調整請問一下,我在立法院23年,原民台成立幾年?明年20年 |
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這麼長年的時間你們從來都沒有討論過所以沒關係今天不要浪費大家太多的時間我上面的這個提案163案的提案現在就挪到你們這邊來所以我要凍結你們的兩億四千三百萬然後請你們提出兩個月之內提出專案報告好嗎 |
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那跟劉許廷委員的你是第幾案?你也去人事嘛,對不對?好,我們好了,劉委員要補充我的是那個對,就是說你增編了預算,但你增編預算寫業務可是我們看,現在看這本文化世界基金會要增加的就不是業務,是人事啊那你要怎麼改?能不能改? |
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該改就要改啦我是覺得很奇怪你不要這邊講說我是投資業務然後這邊增加的是人事明目對不起來又很奇怪嘛所以有沒有修正的方式 |
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你把修正的方式研擬出來再解凍啦簡單來說就是這樣啦好不好我是要動14266萬好 包委員這個部分我們來做說明就是1426萬就是就是感謝大院的支持就是有關人事明年的人事的調整的那個8%的那個部分這部分是會主管機關會按照那個程序來做做撥補的部分這是第一個部分那科目的部分應該是應該是在 |
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我們的說明上我們應該做進一步的說明跟調整這個部分我們再跟委員做報告報告召委我的建議是這樣我跟牛委員的兩個的提案我們就建議就是動2億4300萬然後讓他提出專案報告好不好因為這個太嚴重了好不好謝謝 |
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二、繼續審 |
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包委員,這個費用是每年建築的四億三千八百萬的錢那我們每年的這個建築費主要是做我們節目的這一塊那如果說凍結了大概百分之五十四左右的費用那我們可能在自播節目的這個流程上可能就會往後延,這是不是能不能再有調整你總共經費多少? |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查七、繼續審查八、繼續審查八、繼續審查九、繼續審查十、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審查十二、繼續審 |
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每個月發嘛對啊你要看董事長有沒有同意啊所以你只要前半年把這個處理好就好了幹嘛比別人前半年董事長 |
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對原文會準備放假沒錢做事 |
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主席,他們說好了啦,今天啦,你今天要宣布啦。 |
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沒有啦 你們違反那麼多 違制那麼多你又不是一筆都出去 你是分期給還有時間啦我們往年從來都沒有動你們的預算喔我們第一次喔 第一次喔你們就清楚知道是引起多少人對你們的業務上的一些問題喔好不好 |
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我先講,原民台的成立我最支持,你們都知道嘛,要假讓你們知道嘛,脫衣公共電視我最支持 |
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你們的人員加那麼多,我最支持就是我剛剛一直在講的,你們已經有別於主流媒體了你們回去看一下你們的新聞是怎麼播的啦改一改,要凍結,好啦好啦,主席這麼好讓凍結,快來啦好不好,就五千塊,謝謝 |
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對,這樣子好不好?一定要專案報告。報告召委,在這邊我再另外的說明一下。原民台的成立,我最支持。原民台脫離公共電視,要有自主性,我最支持。 |
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人民台跟廣播的成立我最支持你們的員額最多也是我最支持可是你們回去聽聽看基層的記者們是如何被你們剝削基層的記者們他們要做的事情多少你們難道不應該好好檢討嗎這是第一件第二件事情我們難道沒有人才嗎 |
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我們製造自製節目不行嗎?全部都是要委制嗎? |
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20幾年來從來沒有刪過原民台的預算從來沒有凍結過你們的預算而現在發生那麼多的問題只是要求你們能夠解決這三個問題你們難道也不願意嗎而剛剛在主委跟陳處長的同意之下我們就 |
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只凍結你們5000萬就在你們的人事人事以外把人事都編完了以後你們所謂要運作的只凍結你們5000萬讓你們兩個月內之內來報告難道還不行喔去聽聽看外界怎麼形容我們的原民台 |
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好嗎?好好的反省。那高軍委我處理一下好不好?我覺得就這樣啦,高軍委人家很有誠意啦,從兩億變五千了齁。那我覺得齁,我們就是齁,這個...就是整...全部嘛齁,全部...全部啦齁,全部的收入我們就是凍結五千萬。然後,專案報告後,時可凍資。齁。好。 |
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好,就這樣,好,那再來張委員,不是收入是支出誒我剛說收入啊,現在我要處理支出了啊對,對,我現在開始處理支出了啊來,我們支出的部分,誒,張委員來了來,來,黃婕委員先 |
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好支出的部分我要幫那個吳麗花委員說明一下因為他有一個在也是在原民台裡面新聞部新聞業務的部分他認為說上去有人力分配不均而且流動率高的問題還有新聞專業倫理也發生相當多的爭議所以他也認為應該要請約會 |
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一個月內向立法院的內政委員會提出書面報告之後才能動之。另外一個部分剛剛也有提到他也認為原民台的節目部在委外製作節目的時候缺乏文化的敏感度甚至對於部落跟族人都造成了困擾跟不適這些問題已經多次發生所以他也認為原文會應該要一個月內趕快來報告才可以動之以上 |
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好,那個張委員,你有沒有想說?你有提案?你不要?好,來,說明一下。 |
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報告委員有關於我們新聞部的新聞部的整個規劃編裁那我們著重的是部落的觀點跟聲音的呈現那當然在這個裡面可能我們的記者的整個人員的配置還有整個新聞的中心的運用這個部分 |
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我們東部、中部、南部新聞中心的整個戰力的展現在往後我們會再做加強,謝謝。好,那我們支出的部分齁,我們在場只有張志榮委員齁,張委員你有要改組決議嗎?沒有要改齁? |
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所以我們全部凍結100萬好不好?你要專案報告還是書面?我知道我一個一個處理好不好?不然我跟你講好不好? |
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好 那個 陸委員 那我們就全部啦 我們就並案處理好不好還是你要說一下 你先說一下我記得我上個禮拜五有在等董事長來 有沒有等到人董事長不知道跑去哪裡 |
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報告委員,我前幾天去部落協調一個會議對,可是你們也沒有派代表來有嗎?我們執行長有聯絡辦公室是嗎?對對對那我是覺得說今天還有再過去,謝謝那沒有關係,那我們還是維持凍結,然後再看看一邊處理好不好就是我這邊是百分之二十啊,啊百分之十二十 |
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主席,他現在說了,說他現在兩個一樣,你猜判啊。那我們,那個,齁,我們這樣子啦,並案處理,我們凍結兩百萬啦,專案報告之後,時刻通知啦,好不好?齁,好啦,好不好,我們就這樣啦,好不好,好,好,謝謝大家,好,好,不要,政務, |
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三、繼續審 |
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一、繼續審二、繼續審 |
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一、繼續審 |
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好,來,那經過我們剛剛大家協商的決議齁,我們就全部齁,凍結300萬,然後呢,專案報告之後時可動之。那再來,主決議有沒有問題?不是啊,你們要對麥克風說一下。報告主席沒有?蛤?有沒有問題?好。來,那稍微再宣布、宣告一下,這個要凍在公務預算裡面的。這是要凍。欸,剛剛那個是? |
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163163163到165是動五千萬,這個162呢?動結三千,書面報告這書面報告,三千萬是書面報告,這五千萬是專案報告,就是在公務裡面,這專案報告,這書面報告 |
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來各位同仁,現在我們宣告一下剛剛的162案凍結3000萬順便報告的還有163案、164案、165案全部凍結5000萬的然後要專案報告時可凍資的那我們必須剛剛有問主計了我們必須要凍結在公務預算裡面好不好,我在這邊宣告一下 |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查七、繼續審查八、繼續審查九、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、 |
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委員提案第三至十五案併案處理凍結兩千萬,向本會提出專案報告,今同以後使得凍資。第二目 |
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第43、49、50案徹案。第45、54、55案改組決議。第16至22、24至42、44、46至48、50、51、62案委員提案合併處理。併案凍結300萬元向本會提出專案報告金同佑使的凍資。第23案 |
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全案一百二十萬全案凍結經提專案報告後適合凍資。第五十三案、五十六案至六十一案保留。第三目,第七十案測案。第六十七、七十二、七十七案改組決議。 |
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第63至66、68至69、71、73至76、78、81案文體案合併處理凍結500萬元向本會提出專案報告後此的凍資。第79案、80案保留 |
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四、繼續審第99案徹案、第89、92、95案改組決議、第82至88、90、91、93、94、96至98、100案委員提案合併處理、凍結200萬元向本會提出專案報告金同佑使的動之。五、繼續審 |
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第109案、118案改組決議。第101案至108案、110案至117、119至124案委員提案合併處理,凍結兩千萬元。向本會提出專案報告後,今同又始的動之。第六目預算照列 |
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第一百二十五案改併入第一目一般行政併案凍結兩千萬元提出專案報告經同賀使者動之。第七目第一百二十六案改組決議預算照列。第八目第一費金委員無相關提案預算照列。第九目 |
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第140、160案改組決議第127-132、134-139、141-152、155、157-159、162-173、176-177、179-184委員提案合併處理並案凍結三千萬金像本會提出專案報告同意厚實的凍資 |
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第一百三十三、一百三十五案併案減列三百萬一百三十三、一百三十五一五三我抱歉第一百三十三、一百五十三案併案減列三百萬第一百五十四案減列兩百萬第一百五十六案併案客戶扶植經費凍結40% |
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161提專案報告後使得動之,均同又使得動之。第161案、174案、175案、178案保留。第162案凍結3000萬元,提書面報告後使得動之。第163至165案凍結5000萬,均向本會提專案報告,均同又使得動之。 |
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第十目,第185、193、194改組決議。185-192、195-200案委員提案合併處理,凍結200萬元,向本會提出專案報告,經同誘使得凍資。兩千萬。抱歉。第十目是兩千萬。第十目凍結兩千萬,向本會提出專案報告後使得凍資。 |
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第11目委員無相關提案預算照列。主決議第201案、204案、216案修正5字通過。202、203、205至215、217至224案照案通過。 |
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原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心單位預算稅入部分第123案委員提案併案處理增列300萬元稅出部分第一幕第456案委員提案併案處理凍結200萬元向本會提出專案報告金銅鑰匙的凍資 |
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第二、第七、九、十一、十二案委員提案合併處理,凍結15%向本會提出專案報告後時的凍資。第八、第十案保留。第三、委員無相關提案預算照列。第四、委員無相關提案預算照列。主決議第十三十四案照案通過。 |
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原住民族綜合發展基金附屬單位基金協商結論業務收入第一案改組決議業務成本與費用第二至六案委員提案合併處理整目凍結一千萬元向本會提出書面報告後使得動之。主決議第七八案照案通過財產法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會預算收入 |
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預算照列。業務支出第一案不處理。主決議第二、三案照案通過。財團發展原住民族文化事業基金會預算案收入預算照列。支出第一至五案委員提案合併處理。凍結三百萬向本會提出專案報告經同誘使的凍資。主決議第六案照案通過。 |
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報告完畢156案,總金額是2740,並案處理動40% |
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請問各位委員,有委員提案的部分照剛才宣讀的協商結論通過,沒有提案的部分預算均照列,請問有依? |
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好,沒有異議通過然後本次通過之決議文字授權主席及議事人員整理然後114年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分審查完均你據審查報告含附財政委員會 |
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114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金——原住民族綜合發展基金以審查完均,擬均審查報告含附財政委員會提報院會 |
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114年度財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會及原住民族語言研究發展基金會預算案均已審查完略。四、稅務預算確定後分別擬據審查報告提報運會公決,然後不須交黨團協商並推行本席張昭及委員紅路與運會討論時做補充說明。 |
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然後,原住民族委員會預算的部分已審查完畢,相關人員可以先行離席。 |
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那我們繼續處理不當黨產委員會那我們現在開始審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於不當黨產處理委員會部分,其一並宣讀預算數及委員提案,宣讀完畢後再進行協商。 |
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不當黨產 |
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處理委員會我們稅出的部分我們第一幕行政一般行政我們整幕來處理那請問各位委員有沒有意見來許委員本席針對不當黨產第一幕第一幕的部分兩案第二案跟第三案 |
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第二案、第三案的精神意義差不多就是現在不當黨產處理委員會已經成立8年多了業務量已經逐漸的減少相關訴訟也在收尾階段 |
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所以,應該適時朝向縮減人力目標邁進。但是,不當房產處理委員會在114年的預算反而比113年增加了189萬6千元,其中單是人事費用就增加了117萬元。 |
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原住民族綜合發展基金—原住民族綜合發展基金。四、繼續審 |
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編列有3232萬6千元我們凍結這項預算的15%等到不當黨產處理委員會向立法院內政委員會提出專案報告後而且經過同意之後才可以凍支第三案是在一般行政第一幕的一般行政項下的業務費編列了795萬2千元 |
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所以我們凍結這項業務費預算30%也是等不當黨產處理委員會向內政委員會提出專案報告我們視情況有同意之後才能動之以上兩案謝謝 |
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謝謝主席、主委、各位委員、大家午安本席對於不當常常委員會提出第一案第一幕有關於一般行政費用減列300萬本席主要意見剛跟徐信義委員的差不多黨產會從2016年成立到現在已經8年多的時間促轉會都已經只有成立4年到2022年就已經結束了 |
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我上次也跟主委討論過其實現在黨產會該查的都查了最後訴訟也在結尾的部分所以主委自己本身也說過如果法令上允許的話你也同意不當產產委員會應該要落日本席看了我們的預算書發現說不當產產委員會現在進行最重要的業務就是訴訟業務可是大家知道嗎訴訟業務一年才花多少錢才花200多萬 |
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所以本席要講的是你一個不動長山委員會最主要的訴訟業務一年大概花250萬好再給你宣傳費300萬好了可是你居然創造了一個500、5000萬的一個組織來浪費人民的納稅錢那現在而且編制是25個人所以每一個人需要花人民納稅錢200萬所以本席希望的是說應該 |
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這個不當財產委員會雖然為訴訟的主體可是如果不當財產委員會消失了以後或落日了以後可以由行政院當成是訴訟主體所以本席在這邊當然需要說第一個114年的預算編列了 |
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5,250萬,比112年的4,190萬還多了1,000多萬,尤其我們過去黨產會預算執行力不佳,大概都八成左右。所以希望說這個主委要給我們一個清楚的解釋,為什麼要編列這麼樣的一個組織,還有本席有做一個組決議。雖然說這次今天開委員會的時候,大家對你算是希望給你一個機會自己來 |
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來做一個未來的一個的想法讓本席我們還是希望你未來自己有一個處理的一個方式以上謝謝好謝謝來徐委員謝謝主席本席在第一幕的部分有提出兩個案子主要是因為我想就是誠如剛剛兩位委員都提到了嘛現在的這黨產會的業務量已經越來越少了那可是在不管是在這個 |
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水電費、一般事務費增加幅度,包括水電費增加28%。一般事務費增加6.58%。既然業務量一直在減少,為什麼這個部分還要再增加?本席提出第五案希望減劣6萬元,第六案是減劣20萬元以上。 |
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主席、各位委員剛才幾位委員提到的問題我想我綜合答覆一下有關於本會的業務可能委員有委員的了解但是我跟委員報告一下我們的調查業務還在繼續在進行我們手上還是有調查中的案件只是不方便在這邊說明 |
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另外就是說訴訟的部分。我們手上有80個案件。應該是說,我想行政院也沒有哪一個部會有像我們這麼多的案件。委外去找律師當然是一個途徑,成如剛才張委員說的,一年花了200萬律師費。表示說,我們包括連聘用律師,我們都非常的減省,律師費也非常低。 |
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我們的對照常常一個案件就幾百萬可是我們給我們律師不到十萬也因此許多訴訟準備的工作是我們內部的成員我們內部有研究員我們共同大家來共同來努力等於是跟律師協力不是說像一般的公家單位說那我請律師我就把所有的案件我都丟給律師律師是從頭去從出庭到案子結束有個判決拿來跟機關報告我們不是這個樣子 |
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我們是其實主要的這個內容訴訟的內容因為很龐雜大家也都知道我們調查的業務是50年前的70年前的事情這些龐雜的檔案只要法院有任何的問題律師沒有辦法處理是我們自己要處理我們要去準備這些訴訟資料我們舉個例子來說好了婦聯會的案子 |
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七年只審附屬負稅組織案後面還有一個不當取得財產案其實是兩個大案子七年只審附屬負稅組織案一個案子在台北高等行政法院開庭開27次 |
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開27次那種龐大的從民國41年、42年到現在的事情從業務、人事、財務的內容我們要從所有檔案裡面去尋找只要法官今天講說A、講B、講C恐怕那個A、B、C共一個就是一般的訴訟案件的可能幾倍的那個資料量所以律師不可能幫我們去處理這個問題 |
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也因此我們還是要很忙碌的去應對這些訴訟案件那我也很希望說法院能夠趕快把這案子結掉可是就剛舉那個例子就一個婦聯會的破嘴組織案弄了七年現在絕大多數的案件都還在進行中真正確定的案子只有兩到三個我們手上還有幾十個 |
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所以,恐怕是有一些誤解。剛剛講的律師費在第二幕喔?我們現在是討論第一幕,是不是先回答第二幕?因為提到說我的人力配置的問題,所以我在解釋這件事情。就是我們請的律師不可能幫我們處理我們現在訴訟的需要。律師是幫我們去出庭,我們還要派人去看著,看到底法官現在問的問題,因為很多事實面,那必須跟委員報告一下,我很負責說, |
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到目前為止縱然有法院曾經判我們敗訴過但是沒有任何一個法院去質疑我們的事實調查到目前為止沒有任何一個法院質疑我們的事實調查縱然在法律的解釋有不同的意見甚至法院裡面對同一個有關於黨產會的訴訟的問題法律問題不同法官有不同的見解 |
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眾來是這樣子,但是我們法院到目前為止沒有質疑過我們的事實調查。我想這個就是說我們長期間我們去調查,而且我們很審慎。這是來回應委員剛剛指教的說,我們人力是不是可以把它弄少一點,那我必須在這邊跟委員拜託一下。 |
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這個準備的工作還是很重,然後訴訟並不是說要完結了,絕大多數的訴訟都還在,還不到終段。所以你們人事費用增加,你們又再多聘人?不是不是不是,這個原額已經從5、6年前就是這個原額了,沒有增加,增加是因為調薪,調薪的準備。 |
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所以你增加的這117萬是條性?是,條性只有3%那個就是正常的條性因為我所有的人力全部沒有編制內的我全部是約聘人力所有人事分是編在這裡然後明年因為行政院有準備所以這個主計總書那邊給我們先把這個人事的這個條性的部分先編進去好,林委員 |
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既然剛剛主委有講到大部分的人力都是,你說全部的人力都是月聘喔?對,只有我是一個編制內的政務官。所以連副主委、專委全部都是月聘?那這些人的背景,你們當初的考核跟查核有沒有一定的透明的機制? |
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考核哪個部分?我們的副主委是劉英的碩士,我們的專人委員是劉發的博士。這個部分是不是提供給委員會做一下參考?比如說你的人力,因為你剛剛講連你的內部人員都要去協助打官司。這件事情當然我們都很清楚,而黨產會本來就是高度政治性非常敏感的東西。 |
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我們是相對年輕世代,我們也沒什麼包袱。但憑良心講,我們都希望這件事既然要做,它就必須要有客觀跟中立性。所以說這些的名單,還有他們的一些學術專才的背景,我是覺得我們應該有一個清楚了解的必要。是不是可以請委員這邊來做說明跟提供,好不好? |
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剛剛本席有提到我提的第三案 |
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因為主委您上任的時候您也有提到希望黨產會能夠提早關門這是你提到的而且您也提到說在機關裁測或改組之後相關的訴訟可以由承受的業務單位業務機關或上級機關為被告機關所以不會有案件中斷審理的問題 |
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所以我們覺得這個黨場會只是階段性的任務編制嘛,所以是不是可以提出相關的縮編規劃?這個我在第三案的時候,我就是要請你提出這個相關縮編規劃,之後我們才能解讀。我繼續我剛剛的說明,謝謝委員長。 |
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我們的訴訟的內容坦白說不是行政單位有辦法處理的因為這些檔案他們以前都沒有接觸過包括我們現在要把我們的檔案轉譯弄成比較一般人看得懂 |
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二、繼續審 |
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主委,我剛剛有問到一個問題,其實你沒有回答我。112年的決算數是多少錢,你知道嗎? |
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我剛有講4190萬就以來就您剛剛特別講如果你每年給你增加3%的公務人員的費用110才大概給你一年增加200萬好了你為什麼100 |
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114年要編掉到5250萬,要增加1000多萬。這個超出了大家所能預料的部分,就是我一開始第一步講的。你112年的決算數的時候,你執行只有八成嘛,八成多嘛。那你在114年的時候還多編了1000多萬到5250萬。那我請教你113年你預計的決算數是多少? |
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你這樣多變了一千多萬我跟委員報告一下今年到10月底我們的執行率已經到85%到年底的時候預計要到90%那為什麼去年會比較少因為從疫情因為少的部分是活動的部分那我們的預算數一直都不多我們預算數從我來第一年到現在都是五千萬左右 |
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五千、五千多一點大概都是這樣,也沒有什麼增加那有增加就是剛剛提到的,因為調薪所以往上增那減少的話,可以看到去年、前年我們執行都比較少少的原因是公開活動幾乎不能辦我辦幾場研討會、座談會我可能就要一場比如說五十萬、三十萬那我有兩場、三場不能辦,我就去掉一百萬一百萬就是我才五千萬啊 |
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對,所以我只要有幾個這種事情,比如說疫情期間我們就真的公開活動都不能辦,那這樣子我的資金就降下來,而且看起來好像差很多。去年前年,去年前年還疫情受到影響,有些人就不願意出門,不願意來參加活動,那我不能勉強去辦活動,我辦活動沒有人來,那你辦什麼活動? |
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當然我們還是用網路嘛,那網路的話我們就不用去租場地嘛,然後很多相關費用就不用支出了。所以我就是已經就整理把錢節省下來,意思是這樣子。那因為我們的總額很少嘛。 |
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我們這個不多啦,我們第二幕一起處理好不好,我們一起好不好,等一下一起處理好不好。 |
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二、繼續審二、繼續審二、繼續審二、繼續審 |
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各國民情不同,處理方式也各異,成立8年多已經累積許多在地化的經驗,不需要覺得外國的月亮比較圓,所以我們希望一方面朝向縮編及解散方向來辦理,那這個出國的費用我們全數減劣。以上,謝謝。徐議員 |
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針對剛剛提到那個就是出國的費用40萬5千我有上網去查了一下就是我們黨產會在111年考察西班牙在112年考察德國那都是主委跟研究員吳靜安兩位出國嘛那我看了一下你們的摘要跟目的跟結論我現在有畫黃線的地方就是一樣的地方 |
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就是一樣的地方所以你就可以看得出來幾乎都一樣只是差在國家的不同而已那假如這種摘要跟這種報告出來的話表示有沒有去看這個國家其實沒有太大的差別嘛因為就只是改改一下哪個國家而已所以我認為本期在這個地方也是提出要這個簡列42萬5千就是百分之百 |
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然後另外在這個律師費的部分就是在第13案的地方就是剛剛雖然說主委您有提到說律師費你們已經算是很少了不過依我們一般大家的認知就覺得說其實黨產會主要的業務已經越來越縮減了那是不是還需要編列這麼多的律師費所以本席是希望能夠簡列150萬元以上 |
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不是,我們大家協商一下好不好。 |
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四、繼續審加到會議費一百萬加會議費一百萬加到人事繳款費三百萬其實我們的居國報告每一份都超過二十頁好啦直接那個啦那個不要再出國了啦我跟你講第一幕你們覺得怎麼樣 |
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總共4600萬,邊5250萬,邊600萬 |
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| transcript.whisperx[977].text |
原住民族綜合發展基金 |
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來啦各位我看到現在大家都還沒有辦法有結論啦我們是不是全案保留然後送協商啦好不好 |
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各位,我們也只剩這幾個人,我們也討論不出來什麼。所以,我跟你講,各位,我還是一樣,反正這個…… |
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114年度中央政府總預算案關於不當黨產處理委員會部分因為大家沒有共識所以我們還是保留送財政委員會好不好 |
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預算提案的部分我們保留本日議程處理完畢現在休息11月27日禮拜三繼續開會剛開會開這麼久我們提出那麼多的問題 |
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主席不能這樣子啦,我們大家開會花那麼多時間,我們都反對勒。主席不能這樣子啦,大家開會花那麼多時間,你不能懲罰來開會的人說來開會的人的意見不能不算意見啊。 |
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對阿,你這樣子來開會了就變笨蛋了阿你如果不表決,那你就決議嗎?剛剛講去年動300,它都可以運作嗎?所以我們今年300、400,今年增加1100所以表示並不會影響他們的運作,也不會影響到人事費阿 |
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三、四百 |
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總表決 |
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對阿 趙偉 趙偉 等一下 趙偉我們先 這個我們案子還是要處理啦我們都等那麼久了處理一下吧我都已經宣佈了就三會了沒有 那個三會啦 我們剛剛就反對啦禮拜三繼續開會 |
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我們都用麥克風喊反對了我們用麥克風協商啊簡略400啦好不好啊然後統動多少你們可以決定啦 |
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一、繼續審 |
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那個徐清穎委員徐清穎委員你說的是要用哪一用哪一個那個這樣子啦剛剛昭偉主席說每一幕找一條來表決嘛那我們說兩幕我們就只找一條剛好那一條他有簡略也有凍結就照第七案嘛 |
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第七案,是不是?對,那因為紐許廷委員是主題案人,所以我們希望他馬上過來了,他主持協調會現在正走來的路上。不是啦,我跟你講好不好,張志榮委員在這裡啦,我們就用張志榮委員的案啦,好不好? |
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對啦,第八案,我沒有張志倫,我們就用你的案啦,好不好?那我們現在就反你那個徐宇貞委員還在嘛,好不好?那個徐宇貞委員在洗手間有啦,他在啦,對啦,好不好? |
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那我們就用第八案處理嘛,好不好?不是啦,你剛剛說第一幕找一個,第二幕找一個嘛那我們說第七案,他剛好有簡略跟凍結嘛他現在表決了 |
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欸好啦我們就好不好就處理你的案好不好來啦我們支持張志榮委員的提案的 |
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28582.79 |
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28602.132 |
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主席說第七案。支持張志倫委員的第八案,因為你人在現場,要處理你的啦,好不好?有這樣的規定嗎?對啊,我們內政就是不照去處理啊。那如果這樣的話,你第二幕表他的,第一幕表我的好了。 |
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28602.472 |
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28626.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].text |
阿你不是說我本來說兩目一案是因為他有檢列也有動結阿他不在阿他不在我們就不能處理阿所以如果不要的話那我們就檢列表張志倫的凍結表我的嘛好不好好不好第三案跟第八案第三案跟第八案是不是好不好好阿好阿來那來 |
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28631.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].end |
28639.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].text |
第一幕的第三案支持徐欣穎委員的請舉手好,三個反對的兩個然後第二幕的第八案我們支持張志榮委員的請舉手好,三個然後反對的 |
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28663.276 |
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28664.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].text |
主決議有沒有問題就這樣通過 |
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28685.963 |
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28692.848 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].text |
第三案是李柏毅?不是啦,第三案他是說中央報告,先論結論 |
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28718.994 |
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28721.255 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].text |
114年度中央政府總預算案有關不但單場處理委員會單位預算協商結論 |
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28772.051 |
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經過表決,第一目第三案,贊成三,反對二,贊成多數。第二目第八案,贊成三,反對二,贊成多數。通過主決議,事項二十七至三十案,詐案通過。報告完畢。好,請問各位委員,有委員提言的部分,照剛才宣讀的協商結論通過,沒有提言的部分,預算經照列,請問有異議?好,通過。 |
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28773.396 |
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28792.616 |
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然後本市通過之決議文資授權主席及議事人員整理114年度中央政府總預算案關於不當黨產處理委員部分審查完畢凝聚審查報告含附財政委委員會。然後,好本日議程處理完畢,現在休息11月27日星期三繼續開會。 |
| IVOD_ID |
16303 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16303 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-15-12 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-25T08:30:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-25T16:31:00+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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