| IVOD_ID |
163029 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163029 |
| 日期 |
2025-07-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
全院委員會-11-3-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第4次全院委員會會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
全院委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第4次全院委員會會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-07-09T09:12:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-07-09T09:33:46+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:21:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/29dd8432533c2d58bb268b5534ea77d3914535bb497189ef9fef188de1ed2040555062629d9f47525ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:12:30 - 09:33:46 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-07-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第4次全院委員會會議（事由：總統咨，為司法院大法官含院長、副院長，現有缺額7名，茲依據中華民國憲法增修條文第5條規定，提名蔡秋明、蘇素娥、蕭文生、鄭純惠、林麗瑩、陳慈陽、詹鎮榮7位為司法院大法官，並以蔡秋明為院長、蘇素娥為副院長，咨請同意案。） |
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臺灣民眾黨黨團在審查司法院院長及大法官的標準 |
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在上一次大法官統一權行使的過程當中我們已經表明得非常的清楚有沒有勇氣對抗當權者扮演憲法守護者的角色去維護我國的民主憲政去貫徹我國的人權保障我相信這是最基本的要求不過很遺憾在您 |
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回覆給本黨團問卷的內容我想先請問一下被提名人那都是你自己寫的嗎?也有跟朋友請教的然後朋友請教,你請教哪些朋友?大概都是我的同事我覺得非常詫異啊,被提名人你不回去比對一下我發現你針對很多問題的回答 |
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基本上跟我們目前當權的民進黨政府所發出來的官方聲明大同小異大同小異我只有20分鐘的時間如果對提名有興趣的話會後我可以跟你講一題一題你所提供的答案為什麼我說跟民進黨政府所發的官方聲明大同小異我先針對具體的問題進行 |
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你是知道在賴清德上任一年以後,全國人民最不滿意他施政表現的是哪一項?據我所知是司法是司法改革嗎?在2017年司法國事會議以後,搞了八年人民最不滿意是司法改革,你覺得政府有沒有必要痛加檢討?有沒有必要? |
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我覺得有必要檢討有必要檢討你知不知道一年人民納稅人給司法院預算多少錢大概是1%多少錢錢的總數我沒有你要接任司法院院長現在司法院一年預算多少錢你不知道這會不會太離譜這很基本的 |
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你要增加司法預算那你最起碼要知道現在預算多少錢未來還要爭取多少錢這個不是最基本的嗎結果你現在一年預算多少錢你不知道我沒有計總數但是我知道大概是從2016年2017年到2025年我們的司法預算是不是節節上升是不是是的我直接跟你講這很基本的啦從2017年納稅人給了216億 |
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到今年288億不斷的在上升納稅人給司法這樣的支持我們的司法滿意度是持續探底成為賴清德在執政人民最會滿意的事項但你剛回答一個問題最起碼我肯定需要痛加檢討嘛需要痛加檢討嘛但我們看不到政府有任何痛加檢討的決心我舉一個最簡單的例子 |
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目前上訴最高法院上訴第三審的案件民事案件要不要行言直辯論要不要行言直辯論依法該不該行言直辯論應該行言直辯論依法應該要言直辯論嘛現實上有言直辯論嗎有嗎民事的部分我比較不瞭解那刑事的部分你瞭解嗎 |
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原則上不用延遲辯論嘛 另外才要嘛有必要才要嘛那你知不知道去年最高法院在民事案件喔原則上因行延遲辯論啊 行了幾件延遲辯論來我直接秀給你看啊 |
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離譜的不得了啊最高法院上訴第三審的案件2003年我國為了建立金字塔型的訴訟制度上訴最高法院的案件依照民事訴訟法474條的規定應行延遲辯論但不必要則不在此件結果展現出來的是什麼民事上訴的案件一般的案件行延遲辯論的五件五件 |
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現在有個最基礎的問題來啦法官需不需要遵守法律 需要嗎當然還是法官可以置外於法律之外反正我是法官誰拿我有批條民事訴訟法474條明文規定第三審上訴因行言之辯論請我們的最高法院把我們的法律當空氣耶一年上訴最高法院的案件行言之辯論五件耶這在開什麼玩笑啊 |
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告一個那麼大的最高法院那麼好的法庭還有直播的設備結果一年刑五件延遲辯論蔡備提名人你覺得需不需要痛加檢討這點我們會再來研究蔡備提名人你知道這件事情研究多久了吧你知不知道研究多久了 |
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我第一次當立法委員的時候2016年下半年我第一次有機會最高法院的院長到立法院來備詢因為只有預算的時候他們要來嘛我提出了問題啊跟我說回去要檢討檢討了九年啊檢討了九年啊這就是檢討九年的結果啊 |
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當法官認為我是最高法院的法官沒有人拿我有任何皮條的時候台灣是什麼法治國家人民要守法法官不要守法這樣對嗎蔡院長你上任司法院院長以後打算怎麼處理這件事 |
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民事的部分我比較不熟悉你接下來要當司法院院長啊你不能夠說我只處理刑事的我民事的不管啊我沒有說我只處理刑事的你接下來打算要怎麼處理 |
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民事的部分我想應該要先去深入了解這個原因到底為什麼深入了解很久了啦九年我們繼續往下看因為接下來要當憲法法庭的大法官特別要當司法院院長權力分立的原則人權的保障我國憲法的規定基本上就以這兩個為基石我們來看看您所謂的人權觀念跟權力分立啊您的認識啊是什麼 |
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邱泰山你以前法務部的老長官嘛你當國兩司的時候就是他當部長把你拉進去的嘛2019年的時候離開法務部當國安諮詢委員可以把桃園地檢署的檢察長叫來叫他指示下面的檢察官要幫一個富商逃稅的案子做認罪協商可以做這種事嗎 來請教 |
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這個事情我只從媒體的報導高檢署都有調查報告出來啦我現在只問你一般的抽象法律原則嘛為高權重當過法務部部長的人可以幹這件事嗎還是之前的老長官你不方便講做這種事情的人應不應該負法律責任來請教法律責任我不敢說就是要看實際的 |
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實際的狀況就是他找彭坤彥來啊 關說司法啊叫他幫富商 辦認罪協商啊彭坤彥回去就下條子給承辦檢察官 這都是客觀事實啊如果您不了解的話 高檢署的調查報告都出來了啊而且 那個時候立法院在追這件事情的時候 我第一任當立委你那時候也在法務部任職啊 |
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但是我沒有看過這份報告我大概了解跟是從你連這件事情表示立場的勇氣都沒有連這個表示立場的勇氣都沒有這樣人民要如何期待你抗拒政治的壓力做好司法獨立審判我想要表示一個立場要先對事實有一定的了解那我接下來問你一定很清楚的謝謝 |
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2019年2月香港政府宣布要提出逃犯條例的修法你還記不記得你那時候的回應是什麼 |
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好像我曾經講過樂見其成樂見其成嘛你今天還覺得樂見其成嗎今天我覺得這個情勢的結果是當初所沒有預料到的2019年2月你說你沒有預料到來我們來看一看你的態度是怎麼轉變的香港提逃犯條例的修法你當初說樂見其成結果香港民運的領袖黃之鋒說什麼痛批你啊 |
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對你的說法百思不得其解啊為什麼會樂見其成你知不知道你的態度什麼時候轉變的你還記得嗎 |
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是後來發現 就是因為對香港的政治情勢其實我們當時不是太了解政治的情勢很奇怪耶當初二月的時候 三月的時候整個香港民運人士都起來抗議了啊逃犯條例的法條也公佈了啊你作為我國國兩司的司長對於他們要搞的逃犯條例你樂見其成被黃之鋒出來痛批 |
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你回去有反省嗎我們確實不了解香港的政治體制三月他不就公布了嗎是公布是公布那因為我們之前跟香港一直沒有進行司法互助的經驗那我們來我告訴你啦有沒有經驗喔根本不是重點為什麼不是重點我告訴你你什麼時候態度轉變的 |
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你態度轉變啊一直到五月還在發新聞稿說樂建跟香港合作什麼時候轉變的來我給你看六月的時候蔡英文發文譴責賴清德痛批結果民進黨兩個位高權重的人出來痛批了以後馬上轉向國兩司六月十四號發聲明譴責大轉彎 |
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在這個整個歷程看下來我基本上覺得您對於這件事情沒有中心的理念完全沒有中心的理念就是看上億辦事啊等到上面的人講話了才趕快迎合上億發聲明稿 是不是這樣 |
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這個聲明稿我怎麼發的 我現在記不太清楚你也不記得啦 沒關係啦 你回去好好看看啦我說話我一定負責啊整個歷程我整理得非常的清楚啊社會大眾也可以檢驗看我今天站在這邊啊 所提出來的批判到底合理還是不合理啊來 下一個問題我們跟多少國家簽引渡條約你國兩司司長應該很清楚嘛引渡條約很少很少是幾個 |
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應該是個位數啦我現在沒有具體的數十一個國家啦十一個國家奇怪法務部的官這麼好當喔這麼基本的事實問題過去這十年沒有增加任何新的國家過去這十年沒有增加任何新的國家這不是你主管的法律嗎再往下看立法委員修法提高老農津貼有沒有文獻 |
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過去老農沒有津貼嘛我四千塊給他提升到六千元嘛照顧我們辛苦的農民嘛立法委員提案修法增加老農津貼有沒有違憲基本我認為是沒有違憲基本上認為沒有違憲那就很奇怪啦為什麼說很奇怪我問卷發給你啊結果你附和九龍派的說法說法律案增加政府支出違憲 |
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你還記得你寫的答案嗎我看了你寫的答案我非常驚訝我驚訝到說你的答案怎麼跟卓榮泰的聲明長的87%像 |
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你基本上就符合卓榮泰的說法啊你今天又在這邊跟我講立法委員修法增加老農今天沒有違憲那我再請教你立法委員修法增加對於原住民的進法補償金額從每公頃三萬元提高到五萬元有沒有違憲 |
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基本上我認為沒有違憲基本上你認為沒有違憲 非常好 記得你今天的答案回去啊 再好好看看你給我們黨團的回覆怎麼會跟你今天在這邊的答覆啊 差這麼多時間的關係我要一直往下走啊只有20分鐘 問題非常的多啊再來 賴清德在所謂的團結實講中 他說 |
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他自己當立法委員12年沒有看過立法院通過一個法律被判決違憲痛批啊這個是在台灣史無前例啊贊不贊成賴清德這樣的說法我不是聽得很清楚就是之前的沒有被宣告違憲還是現在不是啊我問你啊提名你的應該是賴清德總統啊你有跟他見過面嗎見過一次面對啊他講的這個話很重欸 |
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總統指責我們立法院欸所以他自己當立法委員12年沒有看過這麼離譜的立法院通過法律被宣告違憲所以我才請教你 贊不贊成賴清德這樣的說法嗎還是你已經過著隱世獨居的生活外面社會發生什麼事情你都不知道 |
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是有點這樣子是這樣很危險耶這是賴總統自己的觀察我想是他你這樣不贊成我沒有辦法表示贊成沒關係啊但是你接下來就要表示意見來看一下立法院職權刑事法15條之二我沒有要你背啦我不會像考小學生一樣考你這樣對你不尊敬我把法條都列出來了這個條文有沒有違憲 |
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立法院得經全體立法委員四分之一提議院會決議由程序委員會排定議程就國家安全大政方針聽取總統國情報告來請問15條之二這個條文有沒有違憲這個條文的比較文字比較微妙因為跟憲法的規定有一點點 |
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沒有關係啦 因為你接下來要當憲法法庭的法官嘛這個不是Pending當中的案件Pending當中的案件我問你 也不適當嘛這個是終結的案件嘛所以我問你這個條文有沒有違憲那個主席的時間可不可以停下來因為我每次問他就禁止停格然後時間都跑我的 這樣不好吧 |
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時間暫停一下跟委員報告一下目前為止節奏還算順暢好不好OK好來請 |
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我想這個是在文字上有解讀的問題因為從憲法的角度來看他是第二方面得聽取總統的國情報告所以有沒有違憲表面上看起來是沒有違憲表面上看起來沒違憲了你知不知道這個條文被我們憲法法庭宣告違憲了你知道嗎是的我了解你認為沒有違憲我們憲法法庭宣告違憲了我說表面上字面上看起來是嗎你知不知道這個條文什麼時候修的 |
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修的時間我跟你講啊2008年賴清德當立委的時候修的啊2008年賴清德當立委的時候修的啊我就覺得很奇怪了一個總統忘了自己當立委修過什麼法 |
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結果自己修的法被立法院被憲法法庭宣告違憲臉皮很厚欸指責現在全體國會議員欸沒有看過你們這麼糟糕的立法委員啊修一個法律被宣告違憲總統這樣子的發言有國家元首的高度嗎還是總統希望挖一個坑給他自己跳下去看我們一般台灣的公民有沒有發現總統這樣的發言有總統的高度嗎 |
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怎麼會自己修過法律自己都忘了欸高度的問題我不方便評論好來我們再往下看通訊監察法的規定來一樣我給你時間看通訊監察法規定通訊監察書偵查中有檢察官依照司法警察機關申請或依職權核發審判中有法官依職權核發這個條文有沒有違憲 |
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早期確實是有檢察官可以來就是來申請或者是監聽票啦檢察官發有沒有違憲有還是沒有現在被認為違憲我想這個有現在被認為違憲什麼時候被認為違憲的實際的時間實際的日期我沒有印象很早以前啦十幾年前了2007年快20年了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
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當初立這個法的,您知道是誰嗎?我不知道又是賴清德賴清德在當立委的時候說檢察官可以發監聽票後來什麼?4至631號2007年的大法官宣告違憲現在賴清德是在打臉誰?在打臉他自己嗎?在打臉他自己嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
1165.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
重點是什麼 我們再往下看這都是人權保障非常重要的條款啊國家機器什麼時候可以去監聽法官保留還是檢察官保留這些事情都很重要嘛 對不對來 我們來看一下通保法相關的規定通訊檢查要不要法官保留要法官保留通訊使用者資料調取要不要法官保留要法官保留 |
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| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1195.644 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
通訊紀錄調取要不要法官保留?這個都是檢察官要很熟的事情啊也要法官保留網路流量紀錄要不要法官保留?這個我不確定好沒關係啊網路流量紀錄啊是我們去年修法可能對你來講這是新的法但是你剛剛的答案啊事實上是錯的為什麼?通訊使用者資料調取不用法官保留法務部向來的立場都是這個樣子啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1226.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
你忘了嗎這很基本耶這非常基本耶好來 再來檢察官傳喚證人作證可以當場要求證人交出手機要求查看手機內的通訊內容嗎可不可以我想這個這個是刑事基本人權啦檢察官可以做這個 是嗎證人的話就比較不適宜就比較不適合 不要講不適合啦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
1237.597 |
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對平民人,我們都是法律人,不是素人素人才會用形容詞在形容法律人就很清楚,可以這樣做嗎?這樣做嘛,本質上就是搜索嘛人民為什麼對司法還信任?現在的檢察官辦案,有告訴證人你有權拒絕嗎?有嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
1271.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
好 謝謝黃國昌委員的詢問謝謝蔡備提名人的回答 謝謝 |