| IVOD_ID |
163019 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163019 |
| 日期 |
2025-07-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-07-07T12:53:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-07-07T13:15:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:22:04 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e6eee8dab835150d126288c17b2b676f0e5ab0c0921fe90669bdc2baae805f38cbfbb2dae5f8c4225ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
劉建國 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:53:02 - 13:15:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-07-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：審查
一、委員楊曜等17人擬具「社會救助法第十六條條文修正草案」案。
二、委員范雲等17人擬具「社會救助法部分條文修正草案」案。
三、委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「社會救助法部分條文修正草案」案。
四、委員黃秀芳等20人擬具「社會救助法第二條、第四條及第十四條條文修正草案」案。
五、委員翁曉玲等18人擬具「社會救助法第十一條條文修正草案」案。
六、委員黃捷等16人擬具「社會救助法第十六條條文修正草案」案。
七、委員蔡其昌等17人擬具「社會救助法第四條、第四條之一及第五條條文修正草案」案。
八、委員徐富癸等17人擬具「社會救助法第十一條條文修正草案」案。
九、委員王鴻薇等26人擬具「社會救助法第十五條及第十五條之一條文修正草案」案。
十、委員邱若華等20人擬具「社會救助法部分條文修正草案」案。
十一、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「社會救助法第十一條條文修正草案」案。
十二、委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等18人擬具「社會救助法第五條之二、第十一條及第二十一條條文修正草案」案。
十三、委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「社會救助法第十一條條文修正草案」案。
十四、委員萬美玲等20人擬具「社會救助法第四條及第十一條條文修正草案」案。
十五、委員林月琴等19人擬具「社會救助法部分條文修正草案」案。
十六、委員楊曜等24人擬具「社會救助法第十六條條文修正草案」案。
十七、委員馬文君等20人擬具「社會救助法第十一條條文修正草案」案。
十八、委員葉元之等21人擬具「社會救助法第十一條條文修正草案」案。
十九、委員羅智強等18人擬具「社會救助法第十一條及第十六條條文修正草案」案。
二十、委員何欣純等17人擬具「社會救助法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十一、委員劉建國等18人擬具「社會救助法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十二、委員林楚茵等18人擬具「社會救助法第十六條條文修正草案」案。
二十三、委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「社會救助法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十四、委員邱若華等17人擬具「社會救助法第十一條條文修正草案」案。
二十五、委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「社會救助法第二十四條條文修正草案」案。
二十六、委員吳沛憶等16人擬具「社會救助法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十七、委員邱鎮軍等24人擬具「社會救助法第五條之二條文修正草案」案。
二十八、委員游顥等17人擬具「社會救助法第五條之一及第五條之二條文修正草案」案。
二十九、委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「社會救助法第五條之二條文修正草案」案。
三十、委員馬文君等16人擬具「社會救助法第五條之二條文修正草案」案。
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好謝謝主席有請部長請邱部長次長一邊上來吧各位好部長好 |
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這個今天我們當然主要還是要討論社會救助法但是討論社會救助法之前還是會有連結到所謂涉案這涉案的漏洞主政單位陳副換農委員剛剛所講的還是在衛務部所以部長真的會很辛苦部長從事的是醫療背景的專業那當然衛務部涵蓋的包括社會福利、社會救助諸如此類 |
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坦白講它是一個非常龐大的一個組織跟系統所以部長真的是要多多擔待那當然很多事情可能你的幕僚單位第一個時間應該會要很清楚的明確的提供相關的訊息給你做相關的一些因應跟參考那我特別今天講因為今天有很多人都提到7月2號台灣發生這個旱事因為詐騙的事件導致一家五口 |
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全部命負謊權這讓人感覺到非常的痛苦也非常的遺憾但是我們如果從這個悲劇裡面記取這個教訓也從衛生單位能否可以接住這個社會安全感的這個洞這個洞可能越來越大 |
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那越大的情況之下,衛部要承接起來衛部只有單純衛生單位來處理,夠嗎?顯然是不夠的啦,包含警政,包含法務,包含相關的單位都應該要一併進來那我簡單要跟部長提醒這件事情坦白講,這個要從社會救助法,剛剛有委員特別要去把它連結在一塊 |
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顯然是有困難的好比說社會救助法第21條這次長應該很清楚21條裡面就是所謂的極端救助因為社會救助法裡面我們要救助對象包含低收中低收入戶包含這些極端救助包含這個災害救助等等但是絕對沒有辦法包含這一塊所以社會救助法是沒辦法來承接來協助再來它也沒有包含 |
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他也沒有報案我說台中這個案例他也沒有報案對不對他也沒有求助警察但是我要表達說像這樣的案件我們不容許再發生但是他還是會持續的因為詐騙導致整個家庭困頓 |
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導致整個家庭要走向這樣的悲劇在尚未走向悲劇之前他可能會困頓困頓的情況之下可能經濟的困頓可能相關法律上的一些困頓可能還有很多的面向那站在衛生機關可以怎麼樣來主動積極介入協助不要讓他走到像這個台中這樣的一個案例 |
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我想衛福部這個時間點就必須要有相關的一些去做一些調查跟了解然後第一個時間哪怕法律都還沒有辦法在修正之前我們就要有快速的營業的作為啦所以這個部分我再簡單用兩個例子給各位做參考了台灣的詐騙這個金額已經很高了我就不再贅述但是 |
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詐騙的被害者目前為止沒有相關的保護措施不僅法務部的犯罪被害人權力保障法沒有輔助連我們的社會救助法特殊監獄家庭這個輔助條例通通沒有辦法精準的去接觸這一群受害者 |
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然後我說他一定會撐出不窮的來這樣發聲這有些詐騙的民眾他動輒可能是畢生的積蓄一夕之間被詐騙一空化為烏有對他的身心靈的傷害也是非常非常大台中這個例子也是一個實際上的狀況 |
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去年12月台北市內湖母女遭詐騙1200萬輕生還有基隆許新女子被騙走的畢生積蓄500多萬報警後 她有報警喔那最後她還是絕望的輕生 等啦所以我講這些案件會層出不窮那因為今天排社會救助法的這個草案的這個大理巡打那當然大家做這樣的連結也算是很正常嘛那這個部分 照理講部長在這一塊裡面可能就要 |
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就要有一些說法的因應那反而 反之 等一下要去提到這個蘭姨的事情因為這上禮拜又發生 她落跑了那為何我會排了相關的這些法案在審查的時候我以為一定會問得到 |
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一定會問到嘛所以你應該就是都要積極的備戰坦白講是這個樣子嘛所以我今天我今天還特別我因為知道可能有這些事情會發生所以我還特別要求144的市長要到了我不曉得他什麼原因可以不到了 |
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那一次林靜儀次長是因為部長出國對不對然後當然副市長來列席嘛 很正常嘛那林委員他可能也忘了那這次是你部長到當然今天的主責不是議事司不過我是有特別要求議事司司長要到因為上個禮拜 朗逸這個事件也吵得灰火洋洋 |
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這是一個敏感的問題嘛這是一個委員會 衛環委員會所有的委員包含不是本委會的委員都會來來問上你幾句啊況且喔 況且你再回想一下當時你們在一月份的時候你們市長講什麼話我就覺得你輸掉講話 |
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我們雜貨人工會做得到,路線會過往是做得到的他講什麼他對外宣稱三個月內將嚴厲揭露平台公布不良醫師醫院等名單當時臥部醫事師師長劉月平也回應現行早已臥有醫師名單要不要公布都很快 |
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但因在法律討論之下公布到什麼範圍會不會在維護民眾就醫權益下盡快完成這是傢伙說的對不對後期就是你剛出國的時候嘛那時候是社交域罷的嘛就沒有零次嘛林委員在講的那一個平台跟這個又另外一個城市問題不一樣啦所以當然剛才說久了久了你聽起來他不會說 |
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因為我沒有跟你做董事 也八年了 也吃十年了其實我也沒看你倆說但是你的意思是有對外講這些話然後那一天 副市長你列席嘛 對不對市長你聽懂了 他確實有答覆嘛有答應嘛 所以一個月內嘛 |
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所以現在不能叫做嚴厲階段不能叫做什麼法律什麼有的沒有的而且那時候我們也提供給你們醫師懲戒辦法22條主管機關執行醫師懲戒委員醫師懲戒副審委員這個懲戒決議將於執行另一集決議書刊登公報你怎麼要公佈啊你有法條的依據啊法院主治法第83條針對判決或懲戒確定的名單所證為因公開之資訊 |
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這都沒頂搭的東西,這你弄壞了遺孫啊,況且他剛剛講的第二十五條第一款,過去都用第一款,那第四款你們還是可以用,你們怎麼都不用,到底是在這個地方呢?不過因為他講那些話,當然部長你會生氣啦,但是生氣的前提是什麼原因嘛?他可以說,你如果沒做,你當然是 |
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你當然就是定義包庇嘛你當然也聽不下去你就無理包庇啊但是你沒有做就會有這個問題發生嘛他就會挑戰你就會質疑你嘛再來他說你可能有些事情不清楚不懂那個不懂是因為他講的那個介入那個平台是單純你所有的醫師你怎麼可以選擇你這個介入你這個不介入你竟然上那個平台哪有在那邊做多重的選擇那當然是醫師是你要去規劃要規劃很清楚啊 |
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你有公務員資格的醫師你就去刪那個平台沒有公務員資格的你就不需要刪那個平台這個也不是很奇怪一件事情嗎所以我現在在講這個問題是說其實有兩者溝通啦如果遇到這個問題兩者跟一些關心這個委員講得清楚你現在遇到什麼問題嘛現在沒有辦法 一時一刻有辦法處理你還有主動去跟人家說 你如果沒有主動去跟人家說 |
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你也明知道今天來這個地方一定會遇到的,你早不去嘛,你也不要動手,但是在保證先去,大家說明我清楚,如果有人來這個地方,你問問自己,不知道要不要去回答,你自己也不知道,應該很清楚的,他不說了,還說保證。 |
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所以這樣處理事情真的是不對啦那我今天要講社會救助法道理一樣啦你看啦我剛剛有特別提到在15年前大修那個就是我主題的啦那個也是我大修的啦但是很難改變當時當時的部長還有當時的次長當時還沒有設修室喔應該是屬於在社會室的底下嘛對不對 |
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那種舊思維你就是很難去改變它不過我們還是一樣大修了大修六條 |
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現在最低生活費的標準基本上以前是一致性的 全國是一致性的剛剛熊王委員特別有提到怎麼在這個地方一般縣市跟台北市的對照連基本工資都已經高過了 只有這樣比例所以後來才又改為六都咧以前是五都變成六都嘛那六都就六個標準一般縣市就一般縣市標準離島就離島標準台灣就是八個標準在做處理我們不是沒有因應然後包含這些工業的土地啦 地地利啦我們都有討論過 |
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那個當然是在規範條件制一旦是會因地制、因狀況去做改變去做審視其實都有相關機制已經都有建制完成了但是為什麼執行到一段時間之後還是會覺得不好用出席之後你說的都很難用難入住你如果對地方站起來你就很清楚 |
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我們對低收入戶當然我們對一般的百姓在辦行政的作業的時候我們都希望變名嘛對不對講求一些行政的效率嘛那對低收入戶跟中低收入戶你有時候你看他在審查過程裡面而且一年都要複審一次耶不是你結帳給過公司跟同居士給你過就對了你就是英文的耶一年要審查一百耶每一年要審耶 |
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我們還討論到哪有今年是低收入戶一年的審查一個條件不合格馬上他隔年就不是低收入戶哪有這麼硬的我們都已經討論到這個情況了但是為什麼這個法律這麼大無修正經過十來年他還是必須要修了而且在這個最低的貧窮線我們到底是怎麼去認定我們有沒有符合這個先進的國家還是我們現在的審核標準 |
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還有包含的這個平融線的這個比例,是跟記者的派出費一致標準,那個人這樣很恐怖,對不對?跟中國東東市對結收,跟中結收給他們的標準,拿來台灣做處理, |
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我們有調整 我們有修整 有不是沒有但是調沒有很大 報沒有很寬是不是 當然 我在當主席我聽到你講的很多的隱喻嘛 跟這個面向嘛好啊 那這個可能在開始主條討論的時候可能就要把相關的資料備齊啦 大家來對啦但是這個貧窮率的標準 這個也不是委員會自己生出來的 |
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依照這樣去參考但是他的整個母數的這樣的一個蒐集的計算到底是怎麼樣我們就把它條例的清清楚楚嘛但是他最後最後顯示出來的表就是這個樣子啊好你可以說沒有我們跟日本的計算不一樣我們跟韓國的納入的患者不一樣跟美國不一樣但總而言之也就是總之各國的貧窮率現在算起來就是這樣了 |
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我們怎麼會跟人家差這麼多?對不對?日本、韓國、美國、英國我們跟這幾個國家比起來我們的拼求力都不到他們的十分之一台灣真的是互有的國家讓台灣再次強大 |
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你有寫一個標,有的時候不知道背後是怎麼去計算但是平時出來就是這樣日本要去參考台灣是不是依照這個標準依照你這個貧窮率來計算來參考然後他覺得很驚訝的時候他才會去試就你怎麼去採這些基本的母數的計算方式嘛對不對那我必須講說所謂的虛擬虛擬這一塊就更好笑了其實那個是在防懶人啦 |
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當時的情境,你好好笑啊,你有基本工作能力啊,只是你自己全部套路啊,我當然也要給你省下去,我要給你試算,我給你試算,你當時試算,試算到多好笑呢,我們十五年前你選擇的時候,他試算是比當時的基本工資還高, |
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而且那個得援金你知道嗎?那條款50塊,工資50塊就對了那一百的營養,一個的管制給你營養,可以每個人的資格就對了一次可以刷下500到1000人差50塊而已所以我們就在講說怎麼會有一個低收入跟低收入因為三個條件,其中一個條件然後差個50塊它既然是低收入,明年就不是低收入戶了 |
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土地的價值也是這樣公告地價也不是他自己去調的是地方政府去調的他多調了幾百塊他原本是低收入戶因為多調了幾百塊他隔年不是低收入戶了然後生戶沒有用咧生戶沒有用那有台灣的法律對家屬比較重家屬那些法律就硬到這麼硬硬到這麼細那我們還有生戶委員會喔 |
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就變成大家要來承擔相信次長當局長就願意承擔有的就不太願意他覺得就不是這個樣子所以很多面向我們都討論過了我是覺得說大家都一直而且這次版本到30案還比我們那個申請法還更多 |
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還比鵝托還更多所以大家極為重視社會救助網我知道雁柏嶺還沒有進來但是跟謙虛網都一樣很多人都已經很在意這件事情所以我也希望說衛部可以加快這個腳步因為社會救助進來要救助是要快 |
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怎麼有可能說委員本門都已經來了你們很多給部長的報告資料競表同意競表同意競表同意也競表同意一半以上了那為什麼你們社會救助法要修正的草案到現在都不進來而且從去年到現在而且當時陳院長的時候也答應歡迎委員這樣就不叫做社會救助法 |
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是不是不可以聽我說這麼多,我都沒有跟你說過,讓你休息一下,你可以臨時給我回應說,不然你當時在意外,我發現這樣不太有意思。 |
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謝謝,今天稍微積得很多不管怎麼樣就是加快腳步,因為大家這麼多社會的關心、委員的關心我們請理事督導趕快用最快的適度,來把那個開箱硯板能不能進來這樣子 |
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不是啦,不是啦,可能是不是可以你再想一下,答覆清楚一點啦是不是一個月內、兩個月內行政院版本可以進來到委員會跟所有的委員版本並讓大家趕快來討論因為畢竟我們討論完之後還要經過三讀嘛然後是不是可以適用於這一個年度的時候在審查低收入跟中低收入標準的時候就可以來適用,這其一嘛那其二我是第二件事情,就剛剛特別想說 |
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這些被詐騙的受害者基本上會不會可能要立即來召集像內政部、警政署、法務部等相關的單位來做這樣整個社會安全網跟這一塊的破洞會越來越擴大 |
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我們如果把這些人可以有效的承接起來在心靈上的一個協助啦在整個法律程序上的一個幫忙還有很多的面向就是不要讓他走到像台中這個案例是不是這個可以也肯定答覆我說一個星期內還是兩個星期內因為這要過啦因為這事情會發生這樣 我要講那真的 |
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有的人會後悔啦他們是坦白講因為時間的關係他們的經濟狀況不是非常不好的後來為什麼他們會走向這樣絕路他沒有去找民意代表 |
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但是還沒繼續下去,再來他還沒去報警,最後走到這個角落,這就是社會安全幫出問題嘛,我們怎麼減?這不是有一個單位在處理嘛,衛生、聯警政、法政大家一起來嘛,是不是兩個星期內可以召集,然後提出相關的更積極因應的一些作為。 |
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好 招委所指示的我覺得非常重要我們兩個禮拜來把這件事情召開會議召集相關的單位來針對這個主題來開會再跟招委報告跟委員會好不好 跟委員會報告另外一個社會救助法就是院版的草案是不是一個月內可以吧 |
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不然你們那些報告給部隊說請表同意請表同意,那都會騙人啊兩國會啦,好不好兩國會兩國會我們先...我先跟人家說好,來你不要跟剛才那個專門要延期延到八月底的人你密謀喔不會啦,我們...他要延到八月底,你剛才說兩國會,我覺得你跟他有談判關係喔 |
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1190.841 |
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你注意喔感謝委員啦我們這個博文其實博長也讓我們這裡記得我們真的是要有各界意見嘛我們都真的在加速推動啦那個時間我也知道要趕快撒出來我們趕快來提出來也跟醫院那邊來做報告因為現在已經七月初了嘛對不對對啦你兩個月勢必超過八月底了啦對啊 |
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1193.991 |
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1206.584 |
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我們加速,我們比較快來處理不然我們就8月底前啦你們就先兩個月嘛,差不多一個禮拜而已啊好不好我們下禮拜的日子,我們絕對...現在出庭了,你說兩個月啊 |
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現在七月七千而已,你八月第二就兩個月,我是跟你拚一個禮拜而已你跟三十人計較一個禮拜,你吃六勞不是啦是不會啦,我們送到行政議辦部辦你要先出來啊我們送到行政議辦這樣啦,先送你行政議辦沒有啦,我是要你一半出來,不是送你行政議辦,是你去對行政議案,我們這叫做理辦議案,你是要對我的啊對啊 |
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因為我沒有聽歡迎委員剛才的取詢我還不曉得去年他已經跟陳院長已經講過這些事情了那我剛剛特別提到你低收跟他不是只有針對中低跟低收入他還包含吉蘭救助對不對還有重大災害 |
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所以就是我的整個面向是,當然我知道啦,對啊,所以這是要掛的東西啊,你也不是說,不是說今天開完會就把你掛在兩國,是見證你其實都有在研議嘛,也聽取各界的意見嘛,啊哪有這個時間這麼久的,那就不叫社會救助了啊,就叫做社會緩住啊, |
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1303.307 |
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兩國委你自己說,我現在跟你說一個禮拜,你差這麼多好啊好啊,沒關係,不然你兩國委,兩國委,我你兩國委,你自己說,院辦只要提出來,是提到立法院,不是提到行政院我們趕快那個,趕快來加速啦,這樣好不好沒有這個加速,你的加速,我加速都兩百,你加速是五十 |
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1308.751 |
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沒有啦,這位舅舅不可以讓你這樣拖啦,還有生權法 |