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| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主管收支部分。（僅詢答）） |
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報告委員會出席委員7人與主法定人數開始開會請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第15次全體委員會議一事錄時間中華民國113年11月20日星期三上午9時4分至12時19分地點黃樓山林議會議室出席委員沈伯陽等10人內席委員黃孟凱等13人請教委員王定宇內席人員外交部政務次長田中光及所屬人員 |
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國家發展委員會副主任委員高仙貴經濟部政務次長陳振祺主席林昭吉委員易軍報告事項已宣讀上次會議已實錄決定確定。二、邀請外交部部長國家發展委員會經濟部報告美國總統大選後對推動臺美貿易及科技建立合作架構之影響並被質詢。外交部政務次長田中光國家發展委員會副主任委員高仙貴及經濟部政務次長陳振祺報告委員沈伯陽等 |
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1922.922 |
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14人質詢均由外交部政務次長田中光、北美司司長王良宇、經濟部政務次長陳振祺及國家發展委員會副主任委員彭麗珮等即席答覆。決定依登記質詢在場委員均已發言完畢報告及巡大結束後委員所提口頭及書面質詢未及答覆或要求提供資資訊。請相關機關與二周內已書面答覆本會全體委員並複製本會。委員另指定期限者從其所定。三委員王定宇、洪勝翰及 |
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邱志偉等山人所提書面諮詢列入記錄：刊登公報：宣讀完畢藝術陸等稍後再確認．請議事人員宣讀討論事項討論事項．審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主管收支部分．僅詢答．宣讀完畢 |
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我們介紹在場的委員陳永康委員介紹與會官員國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主任委員嚴德發副主任委員陳敬廣副主任委員吳志洋主任秘書簡世峰 |
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綜合規劃處處長李以剛服務照護處處長曹東發就養養護處處長周星國就醫就業處處長慈玉楠就醫保健處處長劉俊正 |
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2041.542 |
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2043.483 |
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事業管理處處長楊長正退除給己副處處長羅馬可行政管理處處長張光宇人事處處長吳延均政風處副處長羅世紀 |
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2073.1 |
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會計處處長蔡進滿統計資訊處處長張志強法規會執行秘書陳靜茹臺北榮民總醫院院長陳威明臺中榮民總醫院副院長傅雲慶 |
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高雄榮民總醫院院長陳金順平東榮民總醫院院長吳東林榮民工程股份有限公司清算人代表楊長正榮民榮券基金會秘書長李世國 |
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國安部資源規劃司人力資源處專門委員林靜芬國安部政治作戰局政戰綜合處科長黃信越人事參謀次長是人事勤務處參謀官阮學文 |
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2158.14 |
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2160.721 |
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行政院主計總處專門委員廖玉玲補充介紹羅美玲委員請問在場的委員對上次會議議事錄有無遺漏錯誤或需要更正之處謝謝議事錄確定 |
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2198.02 |
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本日會議審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主管收支部分。緊作詢答。請嚴主任委員上台報告。 |
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2214.997 |
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2230.647 |
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主席、各位委員先進,大家好。承蒙各位委員先進對本會各項施政工作的指導跟支持謹致最崇高的敬意跟謝承大院審查通過了本會113年度稅務預算7億7711萬4千人以及稅出預算1290億2758萬人截至10月底子質詢率分別為109.37 |
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2248.659 |
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2270.049 |
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193.85%114年度預算遵循行政院114年度施政方針通旁檢視現有施政計劃的優先順序以及施政效益編程接續請本會會計處處長就114年度施政重點主管預算編列情形向各位委員報告敬請指導跟支持謝謝 |
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2279.093 |
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2298.297 |
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主席各位委員先進大家好現緊就114年度施政重點預算編列情形災暴雨後114年度施政重點一強化產學產訓合作轉型職場穩定就業本會配合木兵自衛官兵做好出路安排幫助取等提升學歷增進就業競爭力辦理 |
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2301.819 |
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2309.789 |
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徵選、就讀、大專院校、育育優質企業規劃、產學合作課程、協助退出役官兵入學及就業 |
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2311.881 |
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2328.857 |
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1.辦理就業導向職前訓練,打造就業技能,主動與用人事業單位產訓合作,結訓成績合格者由企業直接雇用,達到參訓及就業目標,協助轉弦職場穩定就業。2. |
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2328.857 |
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2334.682 |
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強化尖端智慧精準醫療,推展三級醫療整合照護,各級農院 |
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2335.723 |
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2349.673 |
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持續創新尖端醫療及預防保健發展精準健康照護及智慧醫療提供完善癌症預防及治療及偏鄉遠距會診與醫療諮詢服務臺北臺中及高雄農總設置細胞治療實驗室發展再生醫學臺北與臺中農總配合中央研究院進行臺灣精準 |
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2362.862 |
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2388.14 |
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醫療計劃建立國人常見疾病風險評估模式令中央健保屬於112年將細胞治療納入健保局部臺中榮總為6家合格執行細胞治療醫學中心之一臺北榮總於113年8月完成CART操作式建置與認證發展精準醫療及免疫治療 |
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2389.201 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2406.194 |
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各級農院持續推動社區預防、延緩失智失能介入措施導入科技產品、整合農民醫療及長照資訊、完善全能健康促進及醫養整合照護、三、優化智慧 |
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2406.834 |
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2407.795 |
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委員會主管收支部分 |
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2425.965 |
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2441.341 |
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以智慧科技產品協助照護減輕人員負擔是整合資源守護農民多元照護全新照顧各地農博處透過邀集分區所屬機構與同志事業召開整合會議擴大資源盤點運用與相互支援 |
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2444.645 |
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2461.761 |
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協助解決問題將現有龍心志工編隊114隊提供居家陪伴環境改善及就醫協助等多元服務對轄區內高風險因子對象加強仿視主動協助身裝遠距居家照顧系統 |
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2463.242 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2480.887 |
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維護農民眷居家安全（針對未就養且未府政府補助資格之弱勢（有眷農民調生商帳慰問金（以周全服務照顧五深化國際退府交流友好復訪鞏固盟誼本會在華府派駐專員 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2482.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2501.197 |
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負責推動對美國退伍軍人事務聯繫並強化與美國退伍軍人中心合作因應地緣政治變化除現有美國及日本外積極拓展英國、愛爾蘭和捷克等友邦並邀請全球農官會代表反國以凝聚農橋向心六整密退除幾副作業 |
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2502.017 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2519.844 |
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增進退除服務效能建立跨部會協定機制確保業務有效管理增加線上申請及查詢服務簡化流程提升簡證辨明服務作業114年度主管預算編列情形依稅入部分 |
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2520.384 |
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2524.868 |
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編列7億8725萬1千元,較113年度增列1013萬7千元,跨乎一,罰款及賠償收入289萬7千元,跨乎二,歸會收入2億8813萬4千元,跨乎三,財產收入1010萬元,四,其他收入4億8612萬元, |
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2546.824 |
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2554.747 |
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次頁稅率預算比較表請參閱稅出部分編列1309億9849萬7千元交113年度增頁19億7091萬7千元跨部一就學執訓方面協助退除役官兵做好職癌發展規劃編列相關經費3585萬7千元包括一 |
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2570.033 |
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2583.704 |
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1.辦理就學輔導措施140萬元2.執訓中心行政維持費1599萬7千元3.執訓中心辦理電力修繕工程等第二期1700萬元內部空間設施維修改善146萬元合計1846萬元 |
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2591.191 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2604.447 |
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就醫保健方面本會所屬醫療機構推展三級醫療整合照護及多元長照服務推動以人為本資智慧照護積極發展精準健康照護與再生醫學編列經費127億6853千元 |
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2609.153 |
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2630.488 |
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包括一﹐補助各籠種及其分院醫學臨床教學與研究﹐配合國家政策推動精準健康照護產業﹐進行癌症免疫細胞治療等創新尖端研究計劃﹐領航健康醫療產業﹐編列補助四所籠種及其分院11億259萬7千元﹐二﹐ |
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2635.086 |
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2639.908 |
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補助農民及眷屬健保費及健保醫療部分負擔費用,編列經費90億2980萬4千元3. |
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2639.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2641.629 |
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農民醫療照護編列經費26億3615萬2千元,增列2759萬2千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2655.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2669.935 |
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113年7月31日修正作業規定擴增補助對象增列補助農民役此及餵藥材等經費一千三百三十萬元二因應高超高齡社會需求 |
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2671.196 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2677.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
高齡分支計劃經費較113年度增列866萬2千元3.依供費生培訓培育人數實需增列272萬元予請參閱請分次頁救養養護方面優化智慧照顧服務營造祥和營養環境拓展社會資源鏈結編列相關經費80億8410萬2千元包括一 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2698.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2703.194 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
補助救養給予等經費57億46萬1千元（參照長期照顧輔法及勞人福利機構設立標準（編列農家照護人力經費14億7600萬5千元（ |
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2714.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2715.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
3.農民安養養戶編列經費3億6913萬6千元4. |
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2715.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2721.583 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
農家房舍整修編列5億3229萬元包括施治長照萬我園區中層計劃與安養機構房舍及生活設施整建工程等5. |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2721.583 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2722.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
徵購農家大客車以及小客貨兩用車等經費560萬元 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2743.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2747.834 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
4.服務照顧方面,編列相關經費6億3771萬元,包括1.親韓農民子女午餐補助等1374萬3千元,2.志願服務組長及農心志工 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2759.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2782.277 |
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編列經費一億四千六百六十四萬六千元三﹐急難救助及三節慰問三億兩千兩百五十萬七千元四﹐八二三及六一九參贊義務役官兵﹐慰救養農民三節慰問金等五千八百九十六萬一千元五﹐辦理各農扶處﹐行政維持﹐農民與新住民生活適應﹐適應輔導及表揚 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2786.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2795.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
單身頑固農民善後服務﹐強化海內外退伍軍人聯繫及國軍單身退社服務及管理等﹐8702萬3千元6. |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2795.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2796.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
汰換各農服處預使用年限公務車輛﹐即臺中農服處等汽車4輛及臺北市農服處等機車16輛﹐經費883萬元 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2813.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2823.203 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
⑤退除業務方面,依退休待遇法規,辦理各項退除局域發放作業,編列退休給付等相關經費1056億4261萬元,包括依一次退伍金 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2829.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2847.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
退休奉等人士費774億2909萬8千元（主要系旅奉人員待遇條徵（一、實際給付人數及每人平均領取金額何時增列（二、預注退府基金100億元（三、年改 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2848.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2852.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
年改節省經費役助退輔基金41億2314萬元是優存差息補助135億89889千元5水電優待補助4億94339千元6退除給付作業614萬4千元 |
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2869.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2875.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
6.人員維持及行政業務方面編列經費38億1066萬5千元包括1.人員維持費35億1806萬8千元2.基本行政作業費2億6264萬1千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
2888.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2903.528 |
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與請參閱7.第一預備金編列1900萬元結語﹐退府工作關係﹐國防建軍及社會安全勝據本會將持續竭盡所能建構優質高齡醫養環境及照顧服務網﹐完善退府支柱報告完畢恭請指導 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
2912.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2928.308 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
現在開始詢答本會委員6假2分鐘非本會委員4分鐘10點半發言登記截止如有臨時提案請於10點半前提出11點左右是詢答情形進行處理現在請羅美玲委員上台諮詢謝謝主席有請顏德發主委請顏主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
2947.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2969.8 |
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主委好主委好主委就在上個星期一外交國防委員會到臺中榮總去做視察那這裡我要特別感謝我們陳世安院長做了一個非常詳盡的這個見報可以讓委員們可以很清楚的知道說中榮目前整個的營運那再來也特別感謝我們的傅慶雲副院長有親自做導覽 |
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2971.181 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2997.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
委員們知道什麼叫做再生醫療、智慧醫療跟精準醫療等等那特別還有就是有針對這個偏向遠距醫療的這個操作模式呢讓委員有非常清楚的一個認識所以這一次的這一個視察其實讓與會的委員其實是收獲非常的多那我們榮總的這個醫學成就呢在這個國際上受到這個肯定呢也讓我們國人是非常的 |
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2998.643 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
3000.044 |
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這一點是跟這個主委特別在提到就是上個禮拜我們去做視察的一個狀況其實我今天呢是要來檢討的是我們鄉下農場的這個這個營運 |
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3014.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
3024.139 |
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好,那再來呢,我想要就一些數據跟我們主委做一些做討論,像這個退譜會我們轄下的農場,現在個別有武陵農場還有福壽山清淨還有這個彰化跟台東這五座的這個農場,那當初這些農場的這個設置是為了要輔導這個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
3038.79 |
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退除役官兵從事農業產銷﹚退展休閒農業及觀光油氣事業﹚可是我們來看一下數據﹚因為隨著時代的轉變﹚我們發現勿農不再是退除役官兵轉業的優先選項﹚我們來看這兩個數據﹚不管是榮民也好或是 |
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除役官兵退伍之後主要選擇的這個行業還是集中在像製造業、批發及零售業還有志願服務業跟這個引進工程等等所以我們可以看得到就是說這個農林與牧業的這個選擇的比例是非常小的好那我們來看一看就是說 |
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跟今天我要講的主題有關的這些農場我們先從這個元額的這個缺額的這個狀況來看我們看一看就是說像這個剛剛早上退輔會才提供的這個資料針對於這個預算元額跟現元的這個人數來看的話 |
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我們看看彰化農場的這個元額是有補足的之外其他的這個農場其實都有缺額的這個狀況發生了尤其是福壽山農場其實一直以來我們發現說這幾年他這個缺額的比例都高達了將近有30%的這個缺額的這個 |
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復甦山農場 |
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財政總統的肯定我代表財政總統還有榮燕對委員的指導 |
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表示感謝,我想我們容院會繼續做服務的工作有關於我們這些農場現在缺員的部分因為早年這些農場經過轉型之後我們也努力的在提升他的一些誘引讓不管農民、農眷或者是原住民 |
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委員會主管收支部分 |
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改善資產環境、待遇、做一些調整、做一些宣導,盡量能夠鼓勵他們。現在農民、農眷,陳儒剛剛委員提供的數字,大概就是四分之一,農民、農眷跟當地的原住民,大概整個農場編制人數大概有四分之一是農民、農眷跟原住民,我們還要繼續努力在往上提振。如果農夫處長有不用做問題。 |
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謝謝委員關心事實上我們從數據裡面看出來確實如此尤其是福壽山農場我們從台北過去從宜蘭走的話大概要4個半小時才能到如果從台中過去大概也要4個小時才能到而且在高山地區大概標高2600公尺左右所以說在這個狀況之下員工的留任率是低的通常我們工作人員考試以後3年他一定走 |
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我們想辦法把他留下來給他升職是我是想說是不是要增加一些誘因像右邊這個圖也是我們也看到說就是退除役官兵或是榮眷的比例其實真的是過低的像武林農場福壽山還有這個清境農場你看武林好一點點兩成五是也是榮民權身份我們就是說這些員工那福壽山跟清境的話連兩成都不到 |
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臺東農場臺東農場 |
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臺東農場來客數從109年還有1萬多人一直下降到現在113年的10月為止只有2000多人然後農場跟臺東農場的這個遊客數也就剩下這樣真的是非常的慘淡經營那就算是說清淨農場武林農場我們看這幾年來其實遊客數都是下降的 |
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福壽山農場跟去年比的話你看台也都只有一半的遊客數我想這個部分可能真是我們需要去檢討的這個地方那還有住宿也是一樣看彰化農場的這個住宿率 |
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到今年為止就6%台東農場就11%只有京津農場跟武陵農場稍微好一點那也不過一半的住宿率而已福山農場也掉到5成以下所以整個來講我們這個農場的經營其實是要做一個檢討因為本席所看到的這個數字真的是慘不忍睹尤其是這個漲化農場跟這個台東農場 |
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所以處長這部分那還有一點我再補充一下有時間的關係那因為今年年底跟明年初我們臺東農場狹下的東河農莊跟這個壽豐會館就要委外招標我們也很擔心喔像這樣子的一個營運模式遊客數這麼少住宿率這麼低那會不會影響到這個廠商投標的這意願好一併來回答好請問主委 |
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委員我本人來跟您回答以上的問題雖然我們彰化農場一定農場住宿部分我們已經停掉了包括彰化農場都已經停掉去年就停掉了委外經營我們已經委外經營了所以委外經營數據我們就沒有給他統治但高農農場經營確實不善於地點的關係 |
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另外受封會館跟東河農莊我們今天尾標現在東河農莊速度會比較快因為受封農場還要經過都市計畫變更以後我們才會委外招標那我們委外案子總用11個案子現在8個案都已經完成簽約了現在3個案子就是嘉義東河還有受封這個近期我們會持續做 |
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臺東農場已經委外了嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
3448.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
3454.71 |
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池上已經委外了整體上來講我們轄下的這五座農場其實有很大的檢討的空間我們看遊客數也好住數也好或是剛剛我們所提到的員工的 |
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缺額你要如何補助這是環環相扣啦我是這麼覺得所以這個部分真的是有很大的這個檢討空間所以說我是覺得說挫石寨的清淨武林福壽山其實在國際上都是非常有名的那我們如何讓這些農場能夠成為台灣很重要的一個地標之一我覺得這也是非常的這個重要 |
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主委您有要補充的嗎我們會繼續努力我們近年已經投資了11億5000萬在整個農場的環境還有他的殯儀館他整個設置做整修投資11.5億跟委員報告這個農場他們的盈餘就是投資在安置基金輔導我們退出役官兵的就學就業 |
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岸志基金的業績來看從110年他是5900萬那112年去年成長到8300萬所以這整個的營運的績效來看他還是在成長的雖然近年颱風啊或者是這個地震相關的受到去國外旅遊的影響是有一些衝擊但我們盡量我們該努力我們都會去做謝謝委員 |
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3549.259 |
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謝謝羅美玲委員嚴主委請回接下來我們請徐巧欣委員上台質詢謝謝主席我們請嚴主委請嚴主委 |
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主委好首先要跟您討論前一陣子大概在8月左右的時候我們接到了非常多退將的抗議那就是在今年8月我們的嘉義空軍基地開放結果三軍一隊他們演奏的是日本自衛隊的進行曲軍艦請問我們這個嚴主委知道這件事情嗎 |
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3595.438 |
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那您覺得這樣子的一個過程是妥適的嗎那您知道軍艦這首歌的來源是什麼樣的嗎 |
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3621.184 |
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3638.984 |
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他是日本上海自衛隊的軍歌那外界會有這麼大的反應在於呢嘉義基地開放是為了慶祝八一四的空軍節這我想你應該很清楚而這個節日呢就是紀念空軍第四驅逐機大隊大隊長高志航 |
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他在1937年的8月14號的松戶會戰裡面擊落日本海軍航空隊的96式的陸攻轟炸機目前駐守在嘉義基地的空軍四聯隊正好就是高智航當年所待的單位結果我們在紀念這個先賢先烈的日子在他的駐守地演唱日本上海的海上的自衛隊的軍歌您覺得這樣合適嗎? |
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那我覺得如果有這個由來演奏這個軍曲是不適合的是不適合的所以大家都會覺得說那我們的這個退伍的軍人比方他去參加大陸的這個陸珠海航展那要被人家提議要砍越退縫可是我們台灣呢在自己的基地裡面去播放自衛隊的歌又該當何罪所以要跟您反映有非常多的退將為此感到非常憤怒 |
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因為他們過去有一些老兵他們也是跟日本人正面做過戰的或者是他們的遺卷那這些空軍就會覺得在空軍的紀念日814裡面去演奏了這個軍艦也就是日本海上自衛隊的軍歌是非常不妥適的一件行為那這個部分是退將的意見我想我有必要轉達給我們的主委知道 |
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3723.315 |
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第2個問題有關於勞動部的標準請問您知道多少錢月薪算是所謂的低薪嗎? |
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3762.81 |
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沒關係我直接告訴您這個勞動部長何佩珊他先前有說勞動部根據這個OECD的定義呢三萬一千元以下就算是低薪可是呢主委我們看一下在親近農場徵才的薪資範圍有好幾個值缺他的月薪範圍有包含到低薪的部分 |
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3763.57 |
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比方說觀光行政組的行政助理他就寫到兩萬九到四萬一千八百八十五那他呢其實如果你的起薪是給到兩萬九的話是符合所謂的低薪西餐的三廚也是一樣最低薪資兩萬九櫃台的服務員最低薪資兩萬八千五百九十中餐廳的餐廚最低薪是兩萬九千元 |
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3817.885 |
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所以這個就是有低心話的問題另外除了清靜農場以外還有這個福壽山的農場也一樣喔防務員的薪水甚至只寫了28280以上餐廳服務員28280以上可是您知道嗎卓榮泰院長在10月底的時候拍板說中央的約聘僱的月薪要是31449起跳 |
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3832.236 |
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所以他講中央政府約聘僱及勞務承攬基層員工月薪應該要高達最低工資的1.1倍也就是31449元請問包含清淨農場跟這個福壽山農場的這一些月薪底薪開到28000或29000的部分請問退府會要如何進行檢討請說 |
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3874.244 |
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委員好我是事業處處長楊長正跟委員報告我們當然是這樣子公告是他的所謂所謂基本薪資但是因為我們山高山我們所有農場他服務性質不一樣他裡面的包含了很多績效獎金盈餘獎金我沒有把它算在裡面去最主要原因在這事實上我們經過統計我們平地農場的薪資水準已經達到4萬3千元了我們山高山農場 |
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3896.587 |
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所以你聘他兩萬八然後你最後的薪水給他四萬那你為什麼要用獎金的制度而不是直接在他的薪水裡面給予呢因為這會牽涉到很多他後續的保障的問題獎金這個事情呢當然就你發了獎金可是我們希望是在他的薪水裡面有實質的保障 |
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3897.208 |
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3916.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
因為很多的勞工也都碰到一樣的問題在公司裏面說他整個月薪水零了五萬但實際上他的真正的薪水只有兩萬多那這樣的話包含很多包含勞健保勞退等等的這個都會有一些沒有辦法彌補的情況就都會比較少 |
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3916.678 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
3932.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
所以我要問的問題是既然卓院長已經講了中央約聘僱的薪資最起碼要31449起跳我們退輔會是不是也應該要配合卓院長的政策在最低薪資的部分要寫到31449 |
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那你獎金或許發少一點最後的結果是一樣的但是要根據中央的政策來約聘僱的月薪最起碼要是31449我不曉得這個主委您怎麼看 |
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3970.574 |
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包圍我們明年114年會全面做檢討好全面做檢討我認為是非常需要做檢討的最後我要講一下這個有關於我們退府會照顧很多這個長照的公共化資源的計畫裡面的質詢率過低的情形那包含我現在所列出的質詢率呢很多都不到一半而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
3971.054 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
3983.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
但我今天要特別談的主要是在這些榮院的部分有很多的分院有短處的情形那包含是我們的埔里分院跟屏東榮總這幾年的營運狀況並不是很好 |
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3986.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
4008.085 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
那我今天呢因為時間有限要特別請教的是在這種營運短促的情況之下那今年本來要說要漲14%的電價後來醫療院所是動漲那可是明年又不一定如果接下來漲了電費的話這些分院的營運會不會出現更嚴峻的狀況請說 |
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4012.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
4034.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
委員好我是救疫處處長劉俊正跟委員報告目前我們的那個用電度在今年比去年只增加了3%左右那事實上是因為我們的門診跟住院的人次都增加了3.9%增加很正常增加很正常但我問的問題不是這個我問題的是今年是醫療院所動長14%的電費 |
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4036.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
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那如果你們以現在目前的營運績效明年不見得動長那加了14%的電費之後那你們整體的營運會不會受到影響目前我們算出來整個那個電費的佔率是1.45%那符合這個衛福部他所提到的要在2-3%左右的成本所以目前是在衛福部的規範之內是符合他的比例 |
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所以你們認為說就算是現在要貼14%的電價也沒有關係是嗎?絕對有關係,我們還是必須要去做一個開源結論的動作所以我希望未來我們也持續幫大家爭取說電費動漲的部分,好嗎?好,謝謝是,謝委員謝謝許巧欣委員原主委請回接下來我們請沈伯陽委員上台質詢 |
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主席 |
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主委好主委好那齁這個因為是預算會期齁所以我都問一些跟之前齁這個執訊有關的然後就是預算相關的事項但有一些呢是在520之前所以呢可能我就再稍微盤點一下這樣子那前面這個是我們根據這個這個現在的我們退伏會的一個報告我們知道我們有第一類還有第二類的這個除役官兵然後有不同的這個 |
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輔導期限、輔導措施這是目前的核心業務裡面有幾個問題我會從這個核心業務來問主委一定很熟悉所以我就這樣略過我看今年的這個案子我們看到當然還是退出幾副看起來的%增加的比較多 |
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救養少了一點點這可能只是單純跟就是說救養的人數有關係我覺得這應該都沒什麼問題那救學職訓是增加但是增加的比例看起來沒有到太高所以這個部分待會我會想詢問一下那第一個呢我當然還是先想詢問一下就是剛剛這一個國軍忠誠義務的問題那這邊我是引用這個誓字781號當時這個 |
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東寶城教授的一個投影片雖然這個東寶城教授的立場常常跟我不一樣不過我們引用他的說法他說這個軍人對國家有的忠誠義務但國家對軍人也有忠誠義務那其實退服會的不管是在發放啊做各式各樣的福利啊等等之類的齁還有對這個 |
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特約軍人的一個照顧我覺得應該都是後者對不對但是國軍對軍人的忠誠義務還是必須取決於軍人對國家的忠誠義務那最近的這一次的案件會讓我特別有感是因為這個我應該不用講這個案件的內容你們應該都非常的熟悉就是呂律師這一次去這個 |
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說他見證這一個祖國的強大那我為什麼問這個問題是因為那時候原主委還沒有來就是說在之前的退府會的時候我那時候就一直在問就是說我們針對不管是反滲透法或者說還沒有到反滲透法的階段我們到底在停止 |
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李卓人議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
4268.511 |
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因為按照目前我們的國軍退除役官兵輔導條例的3至1條退輔會在最後一行這邊可以實施分類分級的退輔措施那之前跟退輔會在談的時候退輔會會覺得說我們是一個發放的機關那很多事情是國防部在決定那這件事情確實在最下面這一段在 |
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上司權益的部分我認為在上司權益的部分國防部大概是有一個比較大的sale就是基本上是國防部在做決定那退伍會這邊只是配合但是現在第32條前半段這個叫權益的停止目前來講有這些跟法院有關的判處徒刑、羈押、通緝這個會有停止那我現在的想法就是我們在停止這一邊能不能夠增列一些條款 |
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那之前呢這個在溝通的過程當中呢這個退輔會是覺得說這個要慢慢來但是問題是現在這種狀況發生的越來越多了那我們自己是已經可以我們自己已經提了兩岸條例九之三相關的規定但我認為在退役官兵輔導條例這一邊呢其實也應該要有一些相對應的修正 |
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OK 我先說明 |
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政府為了核心的職責就是依據憲法我們要國家有義務跟責任對從功報勳對這些退伍的軍人就學就業就醫就養有責任去做照顧跟服務因此輔導條例就產生了 |
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福島條例主要的屬性就是照顧跟服務退出役官兵的福島安置保安權益的保障這些照顧所以我們的福島當然這樣定定現行這裏面32條之2這裏面所規範的不管是內亂外患跟貪污自罪條例還有刑法那些罪那都是依據刑法或者是違反了兩岸人民關係條例或者國安法 |
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那到我們這邊我們就具以執行前面有些例子都是這樣的所謂的退退不管是退伍軍什麼樣的人他只要是在前面的權責機關相關的主政機關審定之後我們的退出給予這部分我們絕對是依法行政來做現在還有些案件還正在做所以我跟委員報告這個我的建議是由主政相關的主政機關權責機關去做審認認定 |
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因為我們是知性單位來做包含這個輔導條例裡面所做的都是依據這個大的原則來做那跟主委報告一下就是說因為我們接下來我們已經也修了外患就是說我們有提出相關的修正兩岸條例93的修正也會出來 |
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| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
那兩岸條例所在一旦修了以後呢這邊就會搭配就會跟著連動所以呢他既然在下面這個喪屍這邊會連動這個我們基本上我講退輔會也一定沒有意見嘛就是說那邊既然連動了你這邊譬如說你有哪些條款像國安法現在如果說要增訂的話他是不是也要放進來我覺得這邊應該是還好但我想問的是停止的部分因為停止的部分照理說在退輔會呢他有一定的空間可以來做決定這是退輔會可以做決定的地方 |
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所以就是在還沒有喪失之前的停止他有沒有有一些彈性這個是我們在兩岸條例同步修正的時候會去考慮的因為我不可能在所有的情形在兩岸條例九之三一旦發生了就全部就喪失我們也不太可能做這樣的事情因為他一定會有一些比較灰色的地帶所以如果說今天不是到喪失的程度的話那今天要怎麼做我們在兩岸條例裡面我們自己會去想一些措施當我們在想這些措施的時候呢可能就會請教退輔會的意見 |
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4477.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
4493.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
因為這個畢竟會連動那它有些可能不到上市那它如果再停止的話那有沒有辦法在這邊做一些相關的修正這是我剛剛想要知道的事情所以這個我們就會同步進行因為兩岸條例93的草案我們已經在寫了那外患罪跟國安法的我們已經送出去了 |
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接下來我要講的就是說這個也是我們在看到就是現在輿論其實跟剛剛這一個主委講的有點類似就是說到底是他就說這個是在羞辱軍人這些人之後還要打仗等等之類的但其實真正在羞辱軍人的是他們 |
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就是說他們到中國不管是他參與什麼樣的活動他講了什麼樣的發言其實他在傷害我們的國軍也在傷害我們退休的官兵所以這個時候沒有盡到忠誠義務的是他們 |
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那按照剛剛董寶成教授的意見就是當你今天都連最基本的忠誠義務都沒有辦法做到的時候那我們對於這些人的忠誠義務本來就應該要有所調整那我剛剛也聽到喬欣委員已經離開了在講到說 |
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關兵奏樂等等之類的但這個並不是直接讓我們現在國家會被侵略會被統戰直接發生的事項所以我覺得當然是不能夠類比的事情如果我們現在對於忠誠義務的內容不夠嚴謹的話之後我們對於這樣的一個給付這些人就沒有成本了 |
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我記得之前這個顏主委在這個跟黃埔相關的活動的時候其實就做得很漂亮嘛因為他們在做我們同步也進行嘛讓他們能夠去參與我們自己這邊的活動然後不去參加他們的這就是一個很好的預防措施所以比較好的預防措施可以擋下大部分的這些我們說過不管是統戰等等的行為但一定會有少部分的人他完全不管 |
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他不管這些他就是要去違反國家的利益去做這些事那對於這些人我覺得要升高他們做這些事情的成本因為他們是已經不會因為你的一些經濟啊等等之類的一些利益而是他不計這些國家的利益他就是要做那這些人我們必須要提高他的成本我覺得這是未來重要的政策方向 |
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4627.048 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
時間到了我問最後一個事情就是我剛講的職牙輔導那一塊因為剛剛我看到職牙的預算是有增加的其實那個%數雖然看起來很小但其實增加的按照我們這個好幾億的預算來講當然增加的也算多啦但是我看到這一次的預算裡面有提到就是這個職牙探索 |
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我看到明年好像還是15個場次但是因為我在之前跟這一個退服會就是在520之前的時候他們有一直跟我們講說質押探索這個成效是不錯所以這邊也是因為我們畢竟就是幾個小時的質押探索那我之前也有提過就是說我記得澳洲可能是三天美國是五天就比較長 |
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4660.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
那如果說場次現在沒有辦法實質的增加,譬如說報名等等之類的,那能不能夠時間稍微拉長一點啊,什麼等等之類的,讓預算能夠更好地發揮在有效的這個質押探索上? |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
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4664.724 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
謝謝委員我是舊學界的處處長跟您報告我們現行的子癌探索營是三天兩夜現在已經變三天兩夜了太好了那所以說現在時間已經拉長了那場次的部分呢我們一開始就是三天110年開始就是三天兩夜現在是每一年今年是115場次那明年我們跟國防部已經協商他還是維持15場次後續如果國防部有需求我們可以配合偵辦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
謝謝委員 我們會跟國防部加強宣導 謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
陳冠廷委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
主席 |
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4775.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
陳委員好主委好我們直接到第一頁主委這個是之前的一個新聞重大新聞就是說這一個有一個監委指出一個承認空軍保防幹部涉及職棒遷讀任職中他沒有接受這個完整的保防然後松子部在110年1月 |
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4805.069 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
假借自證連結給舊市長官的名義進入該指揮官的重要軍事指揮區域,夾帶手機。不管是任職前,任職中,或者是任職後,可能因為過去跟一些我們的這些長官們都熟識的,不單指這個案件,會不會有一些相關的破防的可能性? |
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| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
4834.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
現在中共的滲透是無所不用其極尤其是現退役這些軍職我想都是他們利用的一個媒介主委我們講這些事情是因為說我發覺到說可能我們現在都是用人與人之間的人際關係那他們可能會比較不注重就是有安全核可之後的這一種 |
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| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
基本的這個安全的這個守則有的時候有的時候在一些看似是我們最中心最中區的指揮部但是可能會利用他過去在軍中的可能是做到非常高官那可能大家看到也都熟識之後就不會起疑心可是在不起疑心的狀況之下他還是可能會進去某些管制區域夾帶手機然後做拍攝一些重要文件然後再轉交給中國的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
相關的情質單位那在松子部這個新聞被這個算是說被被查出來之後那我們是有點擔心說這樣會不會以後變成常態就是說不看你的這個安全保障的這個名牌那直接是用你過去的舊事同袍或者是長官對部署或者是部署對長官的關係這個部分 |
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4890.948 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
4908.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
主委怎麼看提高警覺尤其是保防警覺我剛剛跟委員報告了現在中共對我們的滲透是越來越頻繁所以每一個官兵的保防警覺是非常重要的我們很多案件自查自查就是內部自己的人檢控 |
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4909.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
4909.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
進去各個不同的機構,他們是認人還是認證? |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
4940.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
主要都還是認證我們進入一些管制區是認人還是認證?證就是你的身份證明從證認到人因為證裡面這個人的相片跟人一樣對 |
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4954.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
4955.443 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
是有可能啦 因為就是熟視嘛 |
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4976.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
4995.093 |
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那我們是不是盡量可以請作為跟我們的退役的軍官們來去宣導儘管這個我們有一些其實就是一個非常有聲望的這一些退役將領我都可以理解但是就算是如此我們還是要有一個機制一個辯證對那比方說我們立委進去營區不僅是要遮號還有看一下 |
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委員會主管收支部分．．．． |
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當人員眾多的時候其實很難去分辨是真是假所以我們是希望說未來的建制是有一個更加完善電腦的你就刷卡等等的方式不過還是以法治為主不要用以人或者是以人因為主這樣子的安全的屏障我們認為會比較不夠不過沒有關係這個是我們希望可以一步一步的去改變的 |
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最近我們常常在看就是退江赴中這件事情這過去台灣跟中國之間的關係你說中華民國跟中華人民共和國的關係或者是兩岸開放探親等等這個都可以理解可是我發現到說許多的將領不管是退役的我看到一些在電視節目上面 |
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其實他們如果是提出來說對我國軍的建言建議那針對我們的缺陷來提出看法其實美國很多將領嘛從這個印太司令的這個上將退役少將退役他們也都是在針對他們自己的國防軍備針對自己的軍種來提出各種不同的建議甚至有些時候是很嚴厲的批判 |
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但我們不會去懷疑他們的愛國之心嘛為什麼因為他們是提出建言之後提出一些他們認為他們看法跟解放那基本上我必須說實話跟他們從軍跟他們退伍之後的言論其實沒有差太遠 |
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大概就是有些不能講的可能退役之後可能會直接就是提出他們的過去在因為有層層的這個官僚體制上可能不能講他們會講但是原則上大方向都不變可是我們看我不特別講哪些媒體但是我們看到說很多在中方支柱的就在中國在中國大陸那邊的這些媒體我們看到有一些我們退役的這一些人士 |
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基本上講的就是原則上就有一點走向綏靖或者是甚至是投降主義那這是有一個很大的差別一個是針對我國的國防提出建言跟提出批判另一個是歌頌我們敵對方的能力 |
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委員會主管 |
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什麼部分我們可以來講,因為徒法不可以自信,一定是有什麼原因波動著他們,讓他們會對中國的嚮往這麼大,對台灣自己的國軍的批判,不是批判,甚至就是鄙視這麼多,那同時過去也都是將軍都是在統領一些部隊的 |
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主委有什麼辦法可以來去管控? |
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是無所不用其極包含所有的這些利誘這些利誘就是統戰一手軟一手所以這些退將因為可能是被這些統戰的一些伎倆可能一時有一些疑惑 |
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我覺得最重要的居然的核心價值就是要忠於國家忠於人民忠誠度這個最重要謝謝主委我不認為完全是理由而已就是一定有某一種情懷這個情懷你要用什麼樣的論述來去打破 |
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對,一定有情懷,就是說哇,這個過去不管是他們的這些生活背景、教育背景那對中國他們的他們對中國的復興的渴望可是我們必須要怎麼樣訴說說中共的強跟中國的復興是兩條路那中國的復興的定義不應該是用中共方面的定義我們可能是要在論述方面 |
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我不認為絕對是第6而已喔一定是他們在某種論述上面對於這些比較年長的這些將帥他有一定的吸引力那我們要破這個論述的方式是什麼那或許賴總統的這個中華民國論述或許是一個方式但是或許只有在軍中的你們曾經在軍中的你們可能會思考出一個更好的方式來去破這個論述比方說這個中華民國在哪裡黃埔在哪裡我覺得這是一個不錯的論述 |
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我們會把委員的指導轉達給國防部相關單位 |
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主委請林楚瑩委員上台質詢 |
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臺北榮總陳院長臺中榮總副副院長高雄榮總陳院長跟屏東榮總吳院長 |
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主委好首先我先問一個基本資料的問題喔主委我想請問一下我們退輔會所服務的這些榮民榮券大概他都是從幾歲到幾歲 |
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我們第二類是比較年輕第二類大概就是二十五歲二十六歲開始然後一直到現在我們有百歲的人類是好所以但是當然有一些是比較早就退役的這個軍中弟兄那麼成為榮民但是多數大概都是年長者對不對是 |
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而且我們後面您現在背後的這些醫療院所的院長們也都非常的辛苦他們除了提供醫療服務然後尤其是在這個醫療之後常常發生的一個問題就是理賠的問題我不知道主委自己本身都怎麼樣處理你的這個如果就醫之後的理賠或是主委身體很健康沒有用到過這個相關的醫療理賠 |
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就參加禮賠 |
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在2021��2021年5月 |
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受險公會跟所有的保險公司跟北榮等22家醫院他們推動了保險理賠一起來那一起通2.0他的好處是什麼就是剛剛我講的其實我們很多的 |
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委員會主管收支部分 |
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跟保險公司的理賠那自從有了就醫這個所謂的保險理賠一起通之後他們可以透過線上一件服務跟其中一家受險公司來合作之後就可以連結到多家這是可以避免 |
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就是一直一直不斷這對醫院來講也是減少人力而且是綠色環保但是呢1.0 1.5到2.0其實其中是有差異的並不是所有我們的現在所退服會所管轄的所有的榮民的醫院都有參與那麼1.0 1.5跟2.0我想要問一下劉處長您知不知道差異在哪裡其實我上面已經寫了 |
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報委員1.5跟2.0的差異就是原上它是全自動化那1.5跟1.0它可能是屬於半自動半人工的狀況所以說是不是2.0會是更優於1.5是2.0是目前最便捷的跟醫院的電腦資訊系統能夠嫁接的速度最快的我講一個比較直白的就是1.5它所拿到的是PDF檔 |
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PDF檔就是像我現在手上這樣一張紙列印出來然後丟進去變成一個無法動的照片檔但是它無法嫁接受險公會相關或者是其他保險公司的系統就是沒有辦法去直接申請還是要透過人力所以2.0可以直接嫁接這些保險公司對嗎是可以直接嫁接就可以避免到人力上面的 |
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的使用但是不知道處長知不知道其實現在只有北榮有2.0的系統是我們會裡有做過一個統計原則上那個北榮是最早22家加入之一所以他從1.0慢慢進展到現在是2.0那其實我們還有9家院是屬於1.5還在等待進階當中好但是我為什麼會特別請今天幾位院長跟您站出來的原因是因為本席在要資料的時候 |
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19號我拿到的是告訴我這個2.0加入的醫院包括臺北臺中高雄跟屏東4家都已經加入了那麼過去月本席待在財委會我透過受選工會所拿到的資料卻不是這樣只有北榮加入這是如果我沒有深入追我今天站在這裡質詢的時候我所拿到的可能就是一個錯誤的資訊 |
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處長你知道這個事情嗎?知道,因為那個我們有從現在去做過一個調查所以剛剛報告的是最新更正的資料好,那麼我想要問一下這個陳文明陳院長您現在是唯一有加入2.0系統也就是說只有在北榮就醫的榮民榮眷他們可以直接快速的借接到其他公司其他的受險公司保險公司來進行理賠所以2.0跟1.5之間的差異是什麼? |
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包括林委員這個是很重要可以讓病人更方便我們從1.0版就開始做發現治安跟隱私沒有外洩的問題這個是前提因為保護治安跟隱私那所以實情的沒有問題之後我們大膽的加入2.0就是不用人工上傳那和保險公司自動接接 |
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那那個病人不用到處去申請那個診斷書那這是一個非常便民的做法我相信我們輔導會各個兄弟醫院應該都會跟著好所以我想要請問的就是目前我整理的資料就是如上只有北榮加入了2.0那麼已經上線1.5的臺中榮總高雄還有屏東跟北榮的新竹分院其他 |
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已經簽約但是沒有上線的這些分院甚至於是沒有加入的分院要如何處理呢?處長 |
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報告委員我們現在還有6家沒有加入主要是第一個考量是因為他們來開這個診斷證明的人數比較少所以當初他們就沒有想到要去加入那事實上透過這個總院的加入的經驗之後會分享給分院來做一個輔導尤其是資訊的部分的嫁接的部分一定要先確認不會影響到整個醫院治安的運作所以這部分我們會去慢慢輔導其他6家醫院來加入這個系統有沒有一個時間表或期程因為剛剛前面前言講這麼多就是因為我們希望能夠 |
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服務變名快速而且精準那麼已經上線的已經簽約但沒有上線的這五家他的時間點是什麼時候會完成然後沒有加入的你的時間期程又是如何現在可以給我答案嗎還是回去之後要要交報告 |
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我們現在下去瞭解一下各院的目前2.0跟1.5執行上有沒有自然難行的問題如果可以的話我們盡快去輔導這6家看可不可以在3個月之內加入好因為你想想看從鳳林難道還要跑到臺北的北榮嗎不可能那麼對他們這些其他地區其實就是因為比較偏遠偏鄉或者是距離城市比較遠那麼這個服務我相信對他們來講會更需要好那麼3個月內 |
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希望能夠加入好嗎那其他的齊成再請我們辦公室還有這個相關的國防委員會的委員來做報告是好接下來最後一個我想跳到這一題要問主委其他院長可以請回我想這個等一下11點鐘我們台灣的 |
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英雄健兒們這個臺灣男團我們的棒球隊將要迎戰復賽之後的首場戰役那麼本席其實過去也都是棒球迷只是現在比較忙沒有那麼多的時間可以來看跟主席借最後一點時間就是榮工棒球隊我想對於許多棒球迷來說過去都是非常重要的但是隨著這個2009年這個榮工迷化之後就走進歷史了 |
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那我要強調的是包括像牛棚投手王建明或者是外野守備的教練張建明他們其實過去都是我們榮工輕棒出來的我們知道要養一個棒球隊不容易我也不會要求退府會去做這樣的事情但是我們退府會有22家轉投資公司對吧 |
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那這22家轉投資公司有沒有可能也一起來贊助成為贊助商也好或者是用其他的方式來支持棒球好嗎各位委員報告當年的榮光棒球隊主要是政府全額投資的人民公民公司那現在已經停止了109年這公司也停了那現在我們輔導會這些轉投資事業 |
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他主要是民營的公司而且我們退伍會只有部分的持股那麼相關的營運他主要挹注在我們安置基金就是安置我們退居官兵的就學就業的方面他的營運是這樣子來用所以謝謝委員給我們的肯定那在這些投資公司我想在做這件事情的人力方面而且這裡面還牽涉到很多的民股要董事會要決定可能有一些自然 |
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好我只是覺得過去喔這個融攻棒球在許多人的記憶當中是非常光榮的一頁但如果有機會的話退服會轉投資的這些事業體其實也可以考慮因為這對於公司的ESG也是可以加分的好吧謝謝 |
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接下來請林益君委員謝謝主席請嚴主委有請嚴主委主委好你知道退伍會以安置基金投資持股超過百分之二十的公司有幾間嗎幾間 |
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瓦斯公司15間那主委你知道我們花東地區民眾其實現在想要用的天然氣的瓦斯生活就是大部分都是叫瓦斯桶還有集熱水電熱水器那目前花蓮縣傳統的我們的瓦斯桶大部分一桶大概是675元重點是如果遇到沒有電梯的公寓常常還要被加價 |
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在瓦斯公司才會願意搬瓦斯上樓他所以想問一下就是退伍會所屬轉投資這個事業中擁有15間的天然氣的事業公司所持股高達一定的程度但為何不願意會會和其他的相關部會請你們所轉的投資 |
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委員．．． |
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我們投資的新農公司他們在跟經濟部申請在宜蘭地區投資就事實上已經去不管了一不管就碰到民意非常非常大抗爭所以退場了把投資當作認定的損失來退場那目前只有一個不是我們輔導會的新興槍械器公司他在宜蘭地區有用潮運的方式去經營當地的工業用戶目前為止這個樣子 |
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那可不可以退委會回去的時候跟其他部門研究一下臺灣東部地區架設天然氣的可行性的評估然後來解決我們花蓮地區只能使用這種統裝的瓦斯的生活需求這樣可不可以三個月給一個素面報告評估呢 |
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那接下來我要問一下那個微電腦瓦斯表那主委你知道嗎現在全臺灣有350萬的天然氣的用戶嗎依照每年連線每年需要更換的數量不同但退伍會轉投資15間的瓦斯公司裡面供給天然氣給163萬戶的民眾使用到現在9月底平均有59.43% |
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那裝置的微電腦的瓦斯表不到6成甚至更低然後新家與新坪分別只有裝24還有25那根據本席瞭解一旦裝了這個每個月民眾都要多負擔40塊到340塊的費用那瓦斯是屬於公用的事業這樣硬體的設備成本要來這樣攤是不是會讓民眾分擔這樣會不會讓這一個執行不容易呢 |
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維電腦瓦斯表從102年只有7.12%提升到今年113年9月已經到62.82%了所以它也是廣受大眾的願意接受 |
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會不會說我們現在其實還是沒有很大的征服就是說是不是因為民眾的成本增加所以大家讓這種裝置率會比較低呢會不會有是不是因為這個樣子所以讓這個政策推動不容易因為這個如果政策沒有推動好是不是會影響到整個公共的安全呢 |
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這個基本費主要跟他的維修或者是換線都有關係 |
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因為我看一下他這個你們退伍會轉投資這15間的瓦斯公司其實他們的稅後盈餘有總共大概高達41億元其實比台電還會賺錢所以既然你們轉投資這個有那麼高的盈餘是不是請退伍會你要回去研議一下跟怎麼樣跟這些轉投資公司討論那瓦斯公司可以配合政策的時候應該可以優惠每個民眾支付所屬的基本費用讓這一個 |
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政策可以更大幅的讓大家都可以去裝置率變高 |
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報告委員這個部分由我來跟您回答事實上我們雖然推廣率只有60%還有成長的空間因為維電化瓦斯其實它使用上是安全因為它有自動遮斷的功能但是我們的主管機關能源署對於各瓦斯公司的裝置率它有非常非常嚴格的規範不能由我們15家因為全台灣有20幾家瓦斯公司如果我們在做這個事情的話會不敷成本 |
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為電腦表從早期開始設立的時候大概一個成本2300塊到2500塊而且這個部分是不收費的然後成長到兩年前的時候他的成本已經到3500塊了那這部分基本費一直沒有調漲 |
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那當初主管機關設計這個基本費的時候他包含了換表維修還有後續表外管的維修換製等等都算在這個裡面的所以說使用上雖然普及率逐漸的提高那我們這個我們還要再加強宣導 |
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那有些鄉下地方的老人家他可能是認為說我機械表機械表使用起來一個月只要繳60塊比較便宜一點事實上是有差異性的這個我們要宣導機械表的精準率只有3%可以正負3%微電表微電腦表是1%所以這方面使用起來是有差異的但是我們會來持續宣導這個加強也會跟我們的主管機關持續溝通請主管機關 |
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繼續精算說這個基本費到底應該收多少錢才合理。 |
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根據本席研究預算發現111年還有112年裡面編列退除役官兵退休給付的人事費連續兩年決算都比原本的預算高那請問這個原因是怎麼樣呢覺得是退出劑 |
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退出給予跟發放的人數有關係因為如果人數增加我們的退出給予就會比較高那人數少他退出給予就會比較少跟人數有關係那當時你們用這個是用什麼方式支出這些人事費呢這個是不是動用第一預備金呢如果是動用預備金的話是不是檢討是不是相關不合常規的動資的方式呢有沒有什麼改善的方法呢因應的措施呢 |
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委員好 我是退出役副處處長跟委員報告那感謝委員的關切那有關於這個去年近兩年人數都有增加那我們編列的預算主要是依照國防部他會提供這個需求以及我們這個在這個我們既定的這個指令退休部分的人數來編列 |
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那今年的狀況是不是有掌握呢今年不會申請預備金 |
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所以是不會超時這樣就對因為我這樣就是要提醒說按照中央各主管機關編列114年度的概算來應該要注意的是像有第5點的規定就是說各機關依照法律的義務所必須重大的支出應該逐項的檢討匡列重要的經費應該優先編列預算辦理那退除役官兵退休給複資人事費法律義務的支出要核實的編列 |
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那可以做到嗎?因為我現在看近年來退除役官兵退休的給付的人事費每年都是大概超過700億元而且逐年的在增加那這樣國庫的財庫是真的財務是真的負擔是蠻重的但是我們又要兼顧軍職人員的退休的權益與軍職人員的退服的 |
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的基金採取的永續所以請退伍會要好好的掌握這些官兵離退的情況而且做好因應的措施因為這樣才能安定退除役官兵退伍後的他眷屬的生活那可以做到嗎對我們會跟國防部密切的聯繫密切的配合精算人數然後稀釋編列好謝謝 |
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吳思堯委員吳思堯委員吳思堯委員不在接下來我們請馬文君委員上臺質詢謝謝主席麻煩請顏主委請顏主委 |
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主委我們今天大概是就我們退府會114年在整個主管預算報告的一些相關資料那想要請教主委就是說我們在這個審查的內容裡面看到我們退府會明年主管預算大概編列了1309億 |
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委員那比113年度1290億餘元大概增加了19億那輔導榮民就學就業大概退輔會很重要的任務之一那我們看到就是說在立法院預算中心 |
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的執訓中心辦理訓練就業情形來看111年跟112年我們的全日制的養成訓練班就業率都有到88.2% |
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雖然都超過八成可是我們在112年的時候好像這樣第二類的退出役官兵還有借退的官兵他的就業率其實是較之前大概都下降這個原因是什麼有沒有去討論過 |
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基本上最後的就業率這個數字都能夠符合我們目前的一個目標拿今年來講到目前來看也是可以到年底可以符合我們的目標那之所以會有一些些微的下降可能我們研判我們有做分析那跟官兵的他的自家規劃或者家庭因素有一些調整所以就百分比來看大概有2%的比例是有一些變化 |
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因為我們主要我們如果看到他在下降這個法我們其實也剛修訂不久所以其實能夠看出他的下降或升高其實也是很短的這樣子的一個數據資料可是當他下降的時候我們還是希望說可以真的找到他的問題點不要說你已經執行很長的時間然後才發現這個有很多不符需求的那到底是哪一部分因為我們在 |
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今年一月份才通過國軍退除役官兵輔導條例的一些條文修正那就業穩定津貼列為常態化就這個部分因為包括你有參與這個執訓的他每個月第一年每個月可以領四千到一萬二 |
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那沒有參與的沒有參與執訓的每月可以領4000到8000這個期限都是一年嗎那如果說像你每個月都可以領4000到12000大家還不願意我想除了剛剛說他的職涯規劃 |
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還有他的家庭因素以外因為你每個月可以多領這麼多我覺得他這個應該會是很重要考量而且當初我們在制定這樣金額的時候是希望可以有吸引力的所以像這樣子會不會是我們之前一直在提的就是說我們的課程內容 |
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是不一定是符合他們的所需比如說像我們常常是配合政府的政策政府的政策不見得是你在社會上跟一些相關的技職有專業的人才可以跟他競爭所以比如說像現在無人機很盛行好像就一直在排無人機可是每一個地方發展的不一樣無人機當然很重要可是不是他們適合的 |
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那類似這樣子包括以前我們有很多的烘焙的這些課程那其實真正從事的還真的不多尤其現在你要跟其他可能學校出來的這樣子去做競爭好像也不是那麼容易所以就這一些還有沒有什麼可以更精進的一個做法 |
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謝謝委員的指導我想我們也可能要針對剛剛委員指導的真正的問題在哪裡要找出原因來那他到底為什麼沒有去就業而且有這麼好的一個穩定就業基金這個配套的措施那可能就在工作的契合上所以將來怎麼樣強化產訓合一就能夠讓他就業率到100%那我這訓出來之後他在各個行各業各企業他就可以都能夠百分之百能媒合那還要再做生育生育層的調查跟了解 |
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因為我們看到其實最穩定的大概就是像保全啊什麼這些相關的長期以來這個部分好像是非常穩定那如果說就我們在退伍軍人這些相關的他比較可能有經驗也好或者他比較容易去執行的這樣的相關的職業我覺得那個可以去強化就這個部分我們還是希望就他過去的經驗 |
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還有我們開了課程下去做一些調整不要看讓因為我們看到報告的內容是說我們成效非常好可是他的就業率又是下降的這樣是矛盾的所以我們還是希望可以有一些比較有效的一個做法那另外就是我們也看到在 |
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明年一般行政還有基本行政工作維持還有約用人員的籌金相關編列預算上面我們看到退輔會回覆的說明裡面114年要禁用約用人員大概有9名 |
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每月的薪資年終獎金還有顧主負擔的全民健保費等等那大概編了722萬7千元這9名約顧人員裡面包含人事處有一名他這一個我們的回覆是說要辦理榮民公司他的退府業務相關資料建檔工作在事業處事業管理處也增加了6名這都是臨時人員他協助辦理榮民公司的清算完結 |
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然後他的薪資大概每個月有73000元那剛剛提到的人事處的那個每個月有5萬元我想要知道說榮民公司我們已經從很久很久以前都一直說已經要結束可是到現在 |
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又因為這個相關的業務去聘請臨時人員他的原因是什麼那他是辦理什麼樣的工作他的薪資可以有五萬元跟七萬三千元如果他是很專業的或者我希望可以說明清楚因為最近大家對於像這樣臨時人員的薪資是有關注的 |
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發言委員那個榮民公司109年就清算就結束了那行政院給我們的命令是明年114年1月1號要由退府會把原來榮民公司在承辦這些後續的這些措施的人員我們要全部吸收就是到我們退府會來做這些清算的工作詳細公用內容會等一下請處長跟你報告吸收什麼樣的人員 |
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就是原來在榮民工田公司是辦清算工作的因為當年他們的保險費都已經發了那現在要追繳 |
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那到133年才能夠全部追繳完畢那些都是我們都是原來我們退伍人員嗎?都是榮民嗎?都是榮民工程公司那可是你榮民工程公司可是我們在相關的條例裡面也限制了說我們如果是退伍軍人你有上限啊你如果說還是在我們政府部門相關工作的話你的上限三四一四零現在當然到三萬六千多可是你這個一個是七萬三千多一個是五萬 |
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委員我是事業管理處處長跟委員報告我們109年融工公司進入清算到今年年底為止我們已經大幅縮減99%點多的業務 |
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這幾個人從109年開始他原本就是榮民工程公司的人留下6個人來幫我們協助我們109年開始才禁用的那個時候的人員預算是編在我們榮民公司的清算階段 |
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那現在音樂清算要結束了要回到我們輔導會來因為行政院已經通知我們了同意我們114年的1月1號開始所以說這些人就從榮民公司清算的階段沒有你告訴我們因為退輔會照顧的是榮民 |
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今天如果這些人我們榮民公司的所有相關業務或者清算的業務都已經結束以後我們還要用這些人然後他的薪資是七萬三跟五萬我們想要知道他未來是要做什麼工作我們榮民公司業務結算之前現在還有勞保補償金的追償還有七億八千萬要追回來這是第一個第二個我們還有六件訴訟案 |
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還要保固需要用到7個人然後他們的薪資要7萬3千元比你們在限制自己退伍軍人的金額還要高一倍以上所以這些都是因為他們都是屬於勞工的身份張珠榮民公司就是用這些錢請他們來執行公司因為他們在榮民公司年資都20年以上了而且裡面還有工程師有會計專長的人員 |
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你把那幾個人的相關的背景資料提供給我們在預算審查的時候我們再來看看我們不是說如果你有一些專業那你有符合這樣的薪資我們沒有意見因為其實台灣長期以來是處於低薪的階段可是我們現在要說的是榮民公司已經結束了 |
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然後你卻要繼續用7個人而且他的薪資不低的情況之下來做這些事我們不知道做什麼事因為你每年我們在審預算的時候退輔會都告訴我們我們中平公司已經要完成了已經結束了然後什麼都已經做的差不多你現在又要花這麼多的錢然後去執行這些工作請把他的執行業務還有他的必要性提供給本委員會提供給本席參考好不好什麼時候可以送到 |
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馬文君委員黃仁委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
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有關於我們目前來講很多的退將或是軍事官的反應非常的激烈這個有關於國軍官兵的退休退職給付改列為國防部的預算 |
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7320.511 |
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那這個部分來講的話我想這個很多的一些一些外界的聲音是不是要迎合美國的GDP的5%還是GDP的3%然後再把總預算用在國防預算裡面那你的看法勒? |
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報告委員我們這個退出集體預算編到哪裡都有時代的背景我們從1979年做一個劃分1979年之前他這個退出集體預算他是編在國防部的是國防部的預算那到1979年當時外面有聲音有輿論就是說他占中央政府總體預算太高比例太高所以就把他轉到我們退府會來 |
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7372.364 |
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102年組織再造．組織再造就是把預算編列跟執行發全部都由退股會來做一百年到現在那最近外面有一些這些意見那我想在退股會的立場因為也不可否認當前整個的大環境其實是有一些不一樣時代背景都不同那到現在當前那個時是有一些不一樣 |
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7398.744 |
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你過去擔任過國防部長國安會的秘書長參謀總長及國防的重要的要職我相信對於我們退降軍事官也好他們非常的在意這個部分本來你們退不會占總預算的就如果我們將我們的這個退休的退職給付的 |
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7399.77 |
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7414.325 |
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總預算將近佔百分之八十 百分之八十點六四總預算的百分之八十點六四 所以你們過去所制定出來的制度都非常的好 |
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那一下子要把他轉為國防部今天我特別要跟各位特別要提醒國防部的前櫃是列管的是現役的軍人國軍官兵退除役委員會的權責是列管在以退伍軍人 |
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所以如果現在將退伍軍人的業退縫移給國防部將司機退補會成立的宗旨那另外就是並且會使退伍軍人的權益受到影響所以這個是非常嚴重的事情啊所以你們要三思啊因為原來所制定出來的制度都已經非常的完整那你們退補會所所有的管理的這些相關的 |
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不管是退伍軍人到我們的農民精英都非常的有次序的所以一下子改為這樣的話是不是對他們來講不公平奉獻一生在國軍退伍之後新華省退不會來照顧你的看法 |
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7508.431 |
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謝謝委員的指導我想這整個加拿大怎麼變革就基於國家安全的考量國家安全的考量怎麼樣做比較好誠如剛剛委員的指導國防部他是建軍備戰他是以戰性為主他現在預算是三區分人為作為加上軍頭那麼對國防戰力最有影響幫助的軍頭軍事投資所以在軍事投資這塊部門能夠增加更可以凸顯我們的國防戰力提升 |
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你還沒有回答是不是隱和美國的GDP的5%那個金額可能會很高 |
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7522.895 |
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7538.46 |
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我們不應該因為美國的挑動然後造成我們自己本身把整個原來的一個制度又重新的編列然後把預算弄在國防部裡面的這樣是不是符合了GDP的3% |
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7557.697 |
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所以這個是你們要思考的地方那另外就是有關於我們新興百貨的董作之爭在媒體報導裡面就退不會所屬的新興大眾百貨現任董事長游志煌任期將以明年的二月到期那 |
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7558.377 |
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7572.187 |
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民進黨高層有意要讓給立委高嘉宜接任之前的人士證實高嘉宜實在是在董座的人選名單中民國也有3到5名的人選角逐退會之前回應 |
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現任的董事會由智煌任期明年二月才屆滿任期屆滿時,輔導會將依程序辦理理險,秉持開放態度納入由廠官協代表組成之投資事業人士審議小組公正領險,其能為公股舉財,強化投資事業經營一律事業經營有效的成長。 |
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7621.159 |
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報告委員有關外界報導的這一則新聞事件就是高嘉瑜小姐接任我們新興大眾百貨公司董事座因為現任的有董事長他是2月明天2月他才屆滿所以我們還沒有啟動相關的人事作業什麼時候啟動還沒啟動什麼時候啟動何時啟動那將來大概7000會7000一個月因為2月份屆滿嘛 |
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7627.583 |
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7649.566 |
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那啟動之後就是由場觀學員他們變成人事審議小組去審議你們都已經公開了嘛秉持開放態度納入場觀學代表組成投資事業人事審議小組這是你們已經對外公開的機制一定要遵守這個機制另外 |
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7650.547 |
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7665.263 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
另外本席要提醒我們的主委以上信息請退不諱一一的回答消息的真實性第一個關於新興百貨新動作是否已有來自各界的推薦了 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
7666.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
7692.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
新英百貨新董座是否已經存在首位的人選名單高嘉宜是否在董座人選的名單中是否有人向退補會推薦高嘉宜或提出這個想法如果有的話誰推薦的是誰提出的高嘉宜角逐新英董座新英百貨的董座 |
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7694.031 |
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7710.306 |
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這個代表是什麽?明股還是光股?你來回答我們跟剛剛委員報告的,我們還沒有啟動這個人事作業所以相關的訊息,我們都還沒有接受相關的訊息好,既然沒有啟動或是領銜,所以剛剛我提到6項6項,剛剛我已經提示了6項 |
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7716.512 |
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7733.554 |
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這個六項就是是否來自各界的推薦還是已經有存在所謂的人選的名單那另外就是懂做的人選名單中是不是有高嘉宜這個都是等等都已經給你提示了所以我們要回歸到你們所公開的 |
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7735.657 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
7749.995 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
臨險的公正公平的角度希望你能夠秉持這樣的精神不要因為是不是化解民進黨在2026年基隆市長非上億人選的出入問題所以這個就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
7751.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
7770.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
是不是有這樣的一個想法然後呢來擺平希望能夠不要讓他選基隆市的市長然後給他一個位置這樣的一個等等的一個說辭所以主委你們要審慎的考量我們按照機制來進行好謝謝委員謝謝黃仁委員您主委請回 |
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7780.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
7808.232 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
接下來我們請鄭天才委員上台質詢好主席各位委員請言主委請言主委政委好主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
7810.329 |
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7832.822 |
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這個首先先讓你看這個民國77年5月15號當時的退府會習立農主委含負答負這個內政部吳博雄部長他特別親自發文答負給吳博雄當時的內政部部長 |
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7833.936 |
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7849.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
同意將現未利用的土地46.526公頃徹銷撥用歸還那因為是原住民的一個土地當初因為退除役官兵要輔導 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
7850.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
7876.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
有這樣的一個政策所以當初就這個撥用給這個退輔會那因為實際上退輔會也沒有用到這個這筆土地所以後來歸還那現在這個主委你很清楚這個因為現在要從農的退出役官兵很少了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
7905.802 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
所以現在要這些過去撥用的土地就你們去做這個委外經營當然這個委外經營有它的一些目的沒有錯但是我沒有現在沒有要請退伍會說要把這些全部還也不是這個意思最主要的是什麼這些退伍會所管理的土地 |
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7923.792 |
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我們原住民就一直在繼續使用也謝謝退伍會過去在這麼長的幾十年來並沒有把我們原住民趕走因為這個土地 |
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7925.32 |
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7953.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
當初退出役官兵在那邊使用那認為原住民在這邊傳統的從祖先留下來的他還在繼續耕作甚至他的房子在那邊也就讓他繼續做相安無事那現在是已經這個因為原住民族基本法規定政府因這個歸還原住民的土地 |
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| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
所以行政院也合訂了增化邊原住民保留地的一個政策跟計劃只要符合77年2月1號以前使用祖先的土地 |
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| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
就可以申請徵劃編為原住民保留地就可以取得所有錢這個是政府的政策也是根據法律的規定所以這個部分要請這個主委 |
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7986.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
8010.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
我們沒有說要拿新的土地沒有就是主先留下來的土地能夠依行政院的政策依原住民主基本法來歸還給原住民是不是請這個主委因為你也上任把這樣的一個只要有原住民申請的部分就尊重 |
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8011.909 |
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8025.917 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
尊重行政院所定的這些政策計畫也尊重鄉鎮公所審查的一個機制包括縣政府審查的機制可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
8026.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
8045.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
各位委員報告我們目前接受申請就是剛剛委員所提到的原住民申請的增畫片有54公頃51公頃我們都已經同意了還有3公頃現在目前是在鄉公所審查當中鄉公所審查我們將來多多配合你講那個50幾公頃是歷年來的另外最後 |
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| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
8068.848 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
就是要特別跟族委你也從軍中很久然後也擔任過國防部部長原住民從軍的比例尤其是志願役的兵 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
8099.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
我們是百分之十幾的比例百分之十幾的比例很高我們原住民的人口佔全台灣只有百分之二點多但是我們是百分之十幾所以他的相關的這些就業尤其是志願役很年輕就退了知道吧很年輕他沒有升到士官的話很年輕就退了所以怎麼樣去協助 |
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8101.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
8128.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
讓我們的部長你也知道現在兵越來越少志願役越來越少你要有這個誘因誘因就是退輔會原住民的部分你們就開放提供請人事行政總署你們可以先辦理開竊我們有原住民行政特考有原住民行政特考 |
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| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
8129.501 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
政天才委員 |
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8175.218 |
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謝謝主席 請各位先進 有請退伍會的主委 邱主委請嚴主委 嚴主委 嚴主委賴委員好 主委你好 這個雷神說他那個被美國的國會監察體系 |
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這個查出來有弊端啊這裡沒有詐欺的事情退錢呢總共退台灣52億雷神這個事情在你國務部的任內嗎是不是這個委員長講這件事我不是很清楚52億 |
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五十二億啊今天大媒體都講了雷神有個弊端然後美國國會查出來了說要賠總共都要好幾億美金吧其中一部分是台灣的那外面就說這個時候是你當部長的時候嗎不是 不知道回去查一下好嗎回去瞭解一下我們要知道你的一些看法這個 |
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這個過去你在當部長的時候請問啊你在當部長的時候對於美國我們跟美國軍購那個價格都不能殺價的事 |
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8249.625 |
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8273.707 |
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委員軍購這一塊我們有我們的機制就是他一定要在我們的五年建軍計劃裡面然後經過部類有三個系統是不是符合作戰需求這個第一關符合作戰需求才會進來第二個就細分細分就是委員所指導他的價格他的市場會做一個比比較不是一加 |
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8275.288 |
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8289.697 |
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這個細分寫完最後第三部分才是頭綱去找錢要買預算版所以這三個步驟在我當部長的時候那因為我離開我不知道這三個步驟是一定要有經過這個程序來你那個是講過程我講結果我已經看到了就是為什麼買的武器都比國外貴的這麼多就變成說我們好像一點籌碼都沒有 |
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8301.654 |
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8324.812 |
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就好像他講什麼多少是什麼,比如說死神無人機,我們就比國外買的,別的國家買的貴了好幾倍啊,難道不是嗎?死神無人機那時候是你在當部長的時候買的嘛,死神無人機,是不是?應該就是我剛剛跟委員報告,你的作戰需求,打的需求,因為不可否認,有些高科技精密武器裝備,你不能不相信。我就問你一句話啦, |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
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8333.101 |
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是不是面對美國強武器採購就是他說了算連這個50號也是他說了算應該不是這樣子我跟你講這句話是因為顧立雄告訴我這樣子啦欸 我在問你這個啦所以這個嚴德豐說不是我們有談判籌碼然後呢顧立雄說我們沒有談判籌碼這個是我要問的啦你不知道我的陷阱在這裡喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
8353.988 |
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8354.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
現在的情勢跟以前不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
8383.442 |
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8383.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
國防部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
8413.25 |
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教召教育召集教召我認定有辦過教召幾次現在有一些精進的一些措施時間也加長了然後頻次也增加了對現在好像可以訓練武器嘛是不是對訓練打靶什麼之類的射擊對射擊嘛你那個教召的地點都選在哪裡戰術位置所謂的戰術位置對戰術位置就是你作戰在哪裡就選在哪裡教召是 |
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8425.247 |
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| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
有沒有在大學裡面印象中因為這是後備指揮部底下跟後備也是國防部管的後備指揮部王牧部長不是每一件事都非常清楚這個你要了解啊這麼重要的事情叫招這麼重要的事情以後如果老公要來的話我們要動員我們的後備軍人要去上前線的這麼重要的事情國防部長你說的我不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
8454.321 |
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8464.127 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
我講他有他的一個考量應該是戰術位置在那附近戰術位置在哪裡就定哪裡好這句話非常好那為什麼選擇政大我們政大校友大家放炮而且問了教育部長教育部長不知道教育部長不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
8477.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
8482.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
阿民進黨不是高舉黨政軍要退出校園嗎?阿軍隊怎麼開進校園?裡面還有射擊咧?阿幾百人在政大校園裡面要待一個禮拜以上怎麼會這樣子呢?怎麼這麼離譜呢?開倒車啊! |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
8496.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
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沿德國不當國防部長以後我們一些都亂了套 開倒車啊 郭立雄開倒車軍隊大喇喇的開進大學的校園大學校園是多麼敏感的地方啊黨政軍要退出校園結果我們現在軍隊後備的叫召大喇喇的開進大學校園不能夠接受啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
8527.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
接下來我們請葉元芝委員上台質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
8563.918 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
8564.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
麻煩請主委請言主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
8574.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
8597.098 |
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主委好我是來自板橋第一次跟主委見面因為在我們板橋有一個板橋榮家那其實我是蠻肯定退輔會因為有針對板橋榮家那些我們著名的長輩有時候時不時會舉辦一些活躍老化的課程譬如說有一次是跟那個臺北榮總合作找一個老師辦一個體適能的活動 |
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8599.219 |
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8621.958 |
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我去看我覺得那個效果非常好那個辦完之後長輩們還想說可不可以自己希望說那個課程可以延長我覺得這個是很不得了為什麼因為以前我們在地方政府在推動這種活躍老化課程動健康的時候都要拜託長輩有的時候都要拜託他們出來那有的時候像有些男性就比較不喜歡出來女生出來活動比較多 |
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8622.708 |
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8651.215 |
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那龍家的課程可以讓長輩們自動希望說那個課程可以延長那我就覺得這個算是效果很好那第二龍家也有跟台一大好不好因為旁邊是台一大嘛也有合作說辦一些音樂的課程這都很棒那我是想問一下主委請問一下我們明年的預算裡面有編多少是用在這種幫助龍家我說說全國啦不見得是板橋多少是這種活躍老化的課程是有多少 |
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8662.078 |
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報告委員我們用在救養這塊的預算有80億的預算用在這一塊我們活躍老化啦針對這個項目請救養處處長跟您報告 |
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委員好我是舊行養護署處長鍾一國那有關你講的文康活動這一部分不是文康活動活躍老化對活躍老化像一些辦理那些活動的話我們都憋在文康活動活動會裡面那每明年的話都有編列稍微多一點是是是處長聽你聽你這樣回答我發現我們退伍會還沒有跟上我們高齡社會的時代現在高齡社會來臨其實各機關都非常重視活躍老化 |
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這個你們同意嗎那在我們的農家裡面有很多長輩其實我覺得農家應該有系統性的在做活躍老化 |
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| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
8725.645 |
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做回老化的結果是可以讓這些長輩在不管是身體、心理、心靈、人際、健康各方面都有提升為什麼我覺得農家有一個先天優勢因為我們在活躍老化指標裡面有一個叫做交通的便利性就是所謂接近性你的活動如果辦在太遠的地方他不願意去但你在他的社區的門口辦或者他家隔壁辦他也願意參加 |
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8726.718 |
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那今天榮家的長輩就住在那邊我們也有場地嘛如果你有系統性的舉辦活躍老化的課程的話其實我覺得對這些長輩的幫助很大啊這個都是有實證研究的嘛所以我是建議退輔會啦我不知道說現在還來得及來不及其實你們應該框一筆預算來就是在做活躍老化就是去跟 |
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8747.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
8748.119 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
委員會主管收支部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
8775.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
8804.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
去培養人際健康這個是現在大家各機關都很主要在推的東西可是我剛剛跟你們詢答的過程當中我發現你就把它編在文康費用文康是什麼意思文康就是大家出來吃吃喝喝然後錢花下來不講求任何的活躍老化效果我覺得非常非常非常可惜所以我不知道說主委跟處長是吧能不能研究一下你們有很多資源在健康方面有 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
8813.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
有北榮啊對不對然後在心靈什麼科方面用板橋來說旁邊就藝術大學啊台藝大啊這些都是可以用的資源只是說你把預算編了 |
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8815.441 |
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8843.763 |
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跟他們合作來推動這個東西我不知道主委你覺得或處長你覺得這個方向可行嗎謝謝委員指導我們榮家都朝向家庭化社區化來這個目標來努力那剛剛委員指導跟學校外面社區接軌來辦這些活動不是活動是系統性的高齡教育的課程幫助活躍老化這個思維跟你講的思維是完全不一樣辦一些課程了解就是讓活躍老化的課程 |
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8844.984 |
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8869.208 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
當然他可能也是會活動的形式來表現但他主要目的是活躍老化嘛我知道主委或處長可以朝這個方向嗎是 因為像板橋農家您講的這一段系列性的事實上各農家跟周邊的大學都有在做我會朝這方面來努力啦不是 這都一次性一次性一次性我講的是系統性的嘛吳副主委跟你報告一下 |
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8870.309 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
8883.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
市長向委員報告我是副主委我主管農院跟農家那有關於剛剛委員所提到那個提示人活動其實他是我們在高齡補助這個農總這邊在整體的規劃上面 |
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8901.979 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
幫榮家所規劃的體制人活動我知道那這個部分啊這個我剛剛有肯定你們我現在講的是系統性對我剛剛有講好幾個指標出來嘛系統性的來做嘛這個系統性不是說好像散彈打鳥嗎沒有沒有先向委員說明一下我們是委託我們榮總高齡醫學中心在這方面做的規劃到我們榮家去落地執行對他只有體制人啊對對沒有不只不只那細節的部分我想這個部分這樣子好不好因為 |
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| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
委員會主席 |
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8930.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
8930.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
接下來我們請洪森漢委員上台質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
8975.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
8975.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
黃委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
9013.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
主委好,主委我其實今天想要其實也是針對這個退輔會下的容院一些相關的議題來跟主委跟院長討論院長其實我們看到行政院其實通過了這個護理人力準備中長期計劃那看了衛福部最新調查的數據那在這裡我其實是想要給退輔會這邊一個肯定 |
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| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
9036.101 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
也就是說在公職護理師比例調升的方面其實退府會狹下的醫院確實在表現上面是領先於比如說教育部所狹下的臺大的醫院包括國防部的軍醫院還有衛福部的主管的部理醫院這部分其實你們做得不錯然後我覺得是要給予 |
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9037.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
9038.101 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
委員會主管收支 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
9060.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
9060.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
委員會主席 |
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9091.624 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
9109.725 |
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理解的跟承諾的其實有很大的落差所以他幾位這些議事都來跟我們說到此後盡心盡力完成院內各項任務但到此後的薪資不如之前承諾的金額速度詢問建議後都沒有明確的改善措施跟啟程只好離職 |
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9128.794 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
那也講到這個御理容院醫師出走顯示南花蓮的醫療不足但醫療不足已經是整個東部南回山地偏鄉的老問題那當然有部分受健保影響但是這些薪資上面的問題讓近期 |
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| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
9143.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
這些醫師我們叫做用腳投票就他們離開的趨勢跟離開的速度看起來更快甚至有很多其實在服務七八年的醫師就這樣離開花東了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
9169.535 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
那我想其實陳院長應該很清楚因為陳院長之前也有在鳳林鳳林醫院就知道在鳳林醫院有服務過原本醫療就不足尤其是值班的醫生就不足當有值班的醫生因為這樣的原因在離職的時候剩下來的值班醫生他的工作量只會更大而且會大非常多 |
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| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
9200.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
那如果在薪資還是就像這些離職醫生說的不如原本之前承諾的金額狀況下非常有可能合約到了以後就不想再留了所以其實這些醫生都說還持續留在醫院其實都還沒有到診所的基層其實照理來說是我們在容院體系裡面要非常非常珍惜的人才可是卻因為這樣的原因都走了而且我擔心的事情是會有骨牌效應 |
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| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
9225.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
這個部分,院長,你覺得?謝謝黃委員,因為我在花蓮大約兩年,對基層、對花東我是非常的關懷那因為0403地震、0725的凱米颱風,的確造成一些人要過去有一些影響但是我跟委員報告,其實過去花東的同仁的薪水是在我們的分院裡面是最高的 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
9226.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
9242.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
但是給他們高薪本來是應該的但受到一些種種因素造成以後業績比較掉下來所以有一段時間是真的薪水是的確下降了那北榮也積極在努力也派了幾個重要的人而且啟動一個最重要的花東區域聯防 |
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9243.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
9248.126 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
委員長 但是區域聯防的醫師會幫忙職業班嗎我們跟他協調他們現在不太願意但是幫我們看門診當門診多的話業績上來薪水就會變高 |
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區域聯防當然是一個好的做法可是他們不會幫忙職業班所以現在大家最焦慮的事情最憂慮的事情是這些會值班的醫師更快速的要離開那留下來的壓力負擔就更大就可能會更想走 |
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這裏面變成是一個負向的循環所以我也肯定區域聯防的做法但是很明確的區他們不會幫忙值班啊 |
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北榮現在就努力在派一些優秀的人下去 |
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那連5年都有剩餘第二個我們看到立法院預算中心的報告在這些北榮的分院裡面目前我看到只有花東的三分院其實是由贏轉虧的其實其他的都是由虧轉贏其實很清楚所以院長我這邊想說的事情是說院長我不知道你會不會有這個決心我們其實在經費上面也其實還有剩餘 |
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能不能夠針對這些醫師的尤其是花東三分院的醫師他們在薪資上面的這個支持跟幫助還可以再更大如果我們整體來說是有剩餘的大家也知道這個我們現在的影響我其實覺得我看的這些相關數據我認為做得到院長你做得到嗎是報告委員一定會努力但就是不影響總院的 |
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若符合法規一定會支持 |
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9420.798 |
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符合法規下面盡力的支持我覺得這部分我們願意來跟這個北榮來做這方面的協調好不好因為我現在講的不是說你們要不要支援的問題我現在講的是實質上面的物質條件的問題物質條件不到你一直說我要鼓勵大家可能大家也不一定會想去我覺得這是我們現在看到的狀況所以院長我自己很希望在這方面可以看到其實院長很多地方做得非常好一樣看到院長在這方面的決心因為我知道你也真的待過花東所以你是非常非常清楚知道 |
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發言委員．．． |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
主委 院長 可以嗎 |
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剛剛院長已經跟您回覆了是合乎法定範圍我們都會可以合乎法定範圍裡面我們來趕快邀請這些基層發動三份院基層醫師研商中長期的方案應該沒問題吧是好謝謝院長再來下面我再一分鐘我要再提一下我知道目前北榮的醫師每年至少1800小時去支援這是剛剛院長說的其實這要部分也謝謝院長有這樣子的措施 |
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但有一點其實我們也聽到確實現在很多醫師都礙於我們這個叫做知己數額表其實裡面可以提供的這個相關費用的協助看起來我目前收我看到的資訊是已經動漲7年了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
9504.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
委員會主管收支部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
9525.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
9528.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
致集大膽向行政院及衛福部爭取。 |
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現在大家都在講總額的問題大家現在大家在講點數的問題我覺得這些討論都很正向但我們這邊也動長了7年那合理的增加來提高大家去支援的誘因讓大家更有動力去如果退輔會跟院長願意把這件事情擔起來來向行政院提出我們也很願意從國會的角度來支持這部分主委跟院長可以嗎?可以 謝謝委員沒有問題那什麼時候會提出這樣向行政院提出這樣的要求一個月內 |
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報告委員我們會盡快盡快多久時間 |
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一個月可以嗎?院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
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9610.042 |
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好謝謝那幾個承諾我們會再跟退輔會還有跟北榮來做後續追蹤謝謝謝謝委員謝謝紅衫漢委員接下來我們請楊瓊英委員上台諮詢謝謝主席楊瓊英發言邀請主委請言主委 |
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9640.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
9659.974 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
總統先生昨天下令霸凌的這個事件那要求所有的行政部門公部門一週之內全面的去了解去檢討您做了嗎相關單位 |
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我們會裡面針對內部的管理第一個我們設置主委的信箱任何人都可以投訴到我的信箱那我每天都會看那如果有質疑的一些案件我都會交代我的辦公室主任通知相關的處 |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
9705.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
9708.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
在退伍會你是農民醫院的主管機關醫院同樣的醫院的血汗醫護的這個議題護病筆的這個議題 |
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9735.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
9751.226 |
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醫院護病比跟委員報告我們所有的容院我們公職的醫生的比例我們是符合相關規定我們現在才缺0.4那總共衛護部比例大概是12%我們是低於這個比例的所以我們人力沒有問題 |
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三班護兵比全域我們也沒問題我們16所容家容院都是合乎相關規定的那問題就是在這個夜班還有幾所容院是比較比例是沒到達那個標準那我們現在就努力就是在做招募然後薪資待遇的調整各容院我們由總院都在做管控 |
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因為有了這個事件我們還是要警惕血案醫務已經在民間有印象印記在尤其特別像懷孕的護理人員醫師也好我們都要特別照顧因為血案醫務 |
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．審查委員． |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
9820.484 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
9835.583 |
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勞動部公告,僱主給僱傅的勞工工資計算方式,至分鐘為止,沒有滿一小時的,他要算一小時,即使你做30分鐘,他也要算一小時。 |
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在目前為止我們的計算方式你包括了你16間的這個農總體系的醫療機構以及我們的農民之家跟農場這些的加班費是不是還是依照對不對還是依照一個鐘頭他未滿一個鐘頭還是算一個鐘頭我們就是這樣按照委員剛剛講我們是這樣做的他不到一小時我們給他算一小時 |
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對一定要如此做因為我們不希望說讓員工他有所疑慮大家依法來做好好的照顧員工我們現行這樣做團結才能夠來提升那接下來本學要請教在你的轉投資的企業當中你很多的高階主管你很多的高階主管都是從我們的君子來轉所以目前我們轉投資的這個企業到底現在他的績效如何總共多少家 |
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9892.691 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
我們有22家轉投資公司 |
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9926.477 |
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我們的每年的盈餘,因為我們都是戰股,攪到我們安置基金的錢,大概都有12億,投資報酬率大概有十幾%十幾%?那賠錢的有幾家?22家裡頭,賠錢的有幾家? |
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沒有,今年已經沒有了,去年因為疫情,前年因為疫情的關係,我們的客運公司是有賠錢的現在已經轉虧為盈了,到今年9月份為止,兩家客運公司的盈餘都已經到了兩千多萬了,已經慢慢在恢復了 |
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本席要強調的也就是說因為以往我們很多的高階主管甚至有很多我們轉投資都是由我們退伍會的這個主管或者是我們的員工去代理的也不是代理去就職的那本席要認為你們應該可以去盤點一下 |
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因為現在非常的競爭你們可以去盤點一下現在好但是可以好上加好一些專業的技術專業的領域那你必須的確需要派出一些專業的人才你才可以逐步上升因為非常的競爭尤其明年川普上任之後 |
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全球大家都說很多的未確定性在他的字典裡頭最重要的兩個字就是關稅這個是他的字典裡頭最重要的兩個字關稅所以我們也必須嚴正以待 |
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也必須去盤點從我們的人力方面該當要有專業人力那應該要去做調整那該當我們要怎麼樣整個布局的一個調整我想非常重要因為在未來明年度我們必須會接受到很大的挑戰而且不是我方 |
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能夠去做決定的當然我們如果把我們的基礎面做得更好那當然我們會更強所以我希望用這個來勉勵你去盤點看看你的22家裡頭你所派出去的不管是我們的將領不管是我們退伍會內部的人員那你應該去對照一下主管機關單位你應該去對照一下他是不是在他的專業領域裡頭我們不需要不希望只有站的一個位置這樣對我們整個團隊是不好的 |
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主委你可以認同這樣的方向嗎?謝謝委員的指導,我們會因應未來的情勢做一些盤點,怎麼樣去因應,我們會指導我們轉投資世界這樣來規劃。對,你們轉投資的,你把它盤點出來,然後你也順便資料給本席,你有所謂哪裡做調整的,給本席,我們一起加油,讓我們的台灣更好,謝謝。謝謝委員。 |
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謝謝楊瓊瑩委員 願諸位請回邱志偉 邱志偉 邱志偉委員不在麥玉珍 麥玉珍 麥玉珍委員不在鍾嘉斌 鍾嘉斌 鍾嘉斌委員不在蘇清泉 |
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| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
蘇清泉委員不在 洪孟凱委員不在鄭振淺委員不在 羅庭瑋委員不在 |
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已登記質詢的委員除不在場外均與發言完畢報告及詢答結束本日會議有王定與委員提出書面質詢請列入紀錄並刊登公報請相關機關以書面與兩週內答覆委員口頭質詢未及答覆部分或要求補充資料者亦請相關單位以書面兩週內提供委員另約定期限者從期所定 |
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114年度中央政府總預算案關於國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主管收支部分本日完成報告及尋答預算提案於11月28日下午5點截止收件預計於12月5日提出提案 |
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請退府會於收到提案內容後﹐把握時間與提案委員做好溝通﹐以利審查進行本日會議到此結束﹐上會 |
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審訊委員會主席 |
| IVOD_ID |
16297 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16297 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-35-16 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-21T08:30:35+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-21T11:20:00+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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