| IVOD_ID |
162963 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162963 |
| 日期 |
2025-07-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
公聽會-2025062681 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
「立意良善的少年事件處理法，錯了嗎？『行政輔導先行』制度之檢討與策進」公聽會 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
公聽會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會公聽會（事由：「立意良善的少年事件處理法，錯了嗎？『行政輔導先行』制度之檢討與策進」公聽會） |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-07-02T09:57:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-07-02T10:05:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:57:33 - 10:05:59 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-07-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會公聽會（事由：「立意良善的少年事件處理法，錯了嗎？『行政輔導先行』制度之檢討與策進」公聽會） |
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謝謝主席首先感謝我們的召委吳宗憲針對這麼重要的議題召開了公聽會剛剛坐在台下仔細的聆聽前面的先進所表達的意見也拜託了各位所提供的書面意見 |
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我只想要誠摯的說一聲謝謝謝謝你們對於這個制度的付出謝謝你們對於這個議題的關注也謝謝各位提出這麼寶貴的建議2019年11月26號的時候我走進了米洋中學我那時候去拜訪了土校長 |
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那是一個個人考察的行程我第一次當立法委員的時候因為我想要知道當整個制度都在說我們不應該漏接任何一個孩子的時候當漏接了我們怎麼把他救回來 |
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我們怎麼給他一條路走我相信這不是個人的問題不是家庭的問題而是整個國家制度的問題2020年離開立法院以後 |
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我對整件事情有更深的接觸因為那個時候我以一個公民的身份跟一群夥伴在研究台灣的組織犯罪特別是台灣的黑幫跟我們政商集團的勾結我再說一次台灣的黑幫跟我們政商集團的勾結 |
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當那些孩子看到黑幫的老大坐民車出入豪華的會所甚至跟政治人物打酒言歡 稱兄道弟這個國家 這個政府傳遞了什麼訊息給這個黑幫裡面所有的年輕人看跟著大哥走 你會有前途 |
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未來可以享受這種生活的就是你人生未來的發展但實際深入了解以後我非常贊成謝奇大老師所講我剛剛看到他的書面資料正是我這幾年在觀察這件事情的時候實際看到的真相 |
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這個體制正在跟這些黑幫搶孩子這個體制正在跟這些黑幫搶孩子沒有道理以國家的力量沒有辦法把這些孩子救回來也沒有道理以國家的資源 |
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沒有辦法幫這些孩子開一條路今天前幾位發言我相信對於我們的主管機關特別是司法院提出了非常一針見血講批判可能太強烈建議我希望主管機關要聽得下去 |
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上司法修正私刑以後時間的關係這些理念我相信在座的大家都比我還熟悉我大概抓了一下司法院有公開的data |
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我們少年嫌疑犯的人數從2022年到2024年是不斷的攀升你如果說以母數來當作就是說以少年的母數來算百分比的話如果連單純的數字都不斷攀升我相信那個比例是節節升高 |
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那這個會給我們一個非常深切的反省制度變革了以後我們到底改變了什麼 |
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我們到底改變了什麼如果立法委員修完一個法律在現實的社會上面是沒有積極的效用在現實的社會上面我們看到的是問題越來越嚴重這就是我們必須要深刻冷靜下來徹底的反省是當初修法有問題還是我們在實踐的時候出了狀況 |
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而這其中涉犯詐欺案件的比例越來越高從過去的16、17%到去年整年已經27%了我如果看今年到五月的數字上升到29%這個跟目前在組織犯罪以詐欺犯罪為大宗的現象不謀而合不謀而合 |
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在組織犯罪防治條例當中我們針對 |
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這一些組織他們吸收未滿18歲的人是有懲罪的規定但我一直在找一個數字我找不到是不是會後請法務部跟司法院都提供也就是組織犯罪防治條例裡面針對吸收未滿18歲的人加入組織犯罪每一個年度每一個年度你們真正查獲的案件數 |
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被告訴最後判決的結果麻煩法務部跟司法院會後提供資料因為在過去那段時間當中我看到太多太多這些所謂的大哥利用未成年人利用我們的下一代來犯罪結果呢小弟坐牢大哥在外面吃香喝辣 |
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我再說一次 小弟坐牢大哥在外面吃香喝辣我打破腦袋 我想不懂罪該被關的在外面 跟這些政商名流混在一起甚至啊 還有立法委員幫他們撐腰我難以忍受我難以忍受結果呢 |
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我們的下一代我們的未成年人被他們拿來當作犯罪的工具關的都小弟在外面逍遙的都大哥我們是這樣在辦組織犯罪的嗎我們如果是這樣在辦組織犯罪的只會讓更多的年輕人 |
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更多的未成年人推到這一個黑暗的深坑當中問題永遠沒有辦法解決針對這一個議題我相信在法規面在實際面 |
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我們有太多太多該做的事情必須要繼續努力共同去完成我也再次的感謝今天與會所有的學者專家有任何我們可以做的事情我們應該做的事情現在還做的不夠好的事情我懇請大家 |
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可以跟台灣民眾黨立法院黨團聯絡該做的事情我們一定全力以赴也謝謝大家今天波隆出席這場重要的公聽會謝謝 |