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| 會議時間 |
2024-11-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
（變更議程）立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、 審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。二、 審查委員馬文君等16人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。三、 審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「國土計畫法第二十三條條文修正草案」案。四、 審查委員林思銘等18人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。五、 審查委員許宇甄等19人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。六、 審查委員呂玉玲等17人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。七、 審查委員蔡易餘等16人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。八、 審查委員陳超明等20人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。九、 審查委員丁學忠等17人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。十、 審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具「國土計畫法第七條、第三十五條及第四十五條條文修正草案」案。十一、審查委員張嘉郡等16人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。十二、 審查委員劉建國等19人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。十三、審查委員邱鎮軍等21人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。十四、 審查委員徐欣瑩等20人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。十五、 審查委員王美惠等17人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。十六、 審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。十七、 審查委員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。十八、 審查委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。十九、 審查委員王育敏等17人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。二十、 審查委員黃建賓等16人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。二十一、 審查委員張智倫等18人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。二十二、 審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「國土計畫法第四十條條文修正草案」案。二十三、 審查委員林岱樺等16人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。二十四、 審查委員涂權吉等17人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。二十五、 審查委員魯明哲等16人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。二十六、 審查委員邱議瑩等17人擬具「國土計畫法第四十條條文修正草案」案。二十七、 審查委員劉建國等17人擬具「國土計畫法第八條及第四十五條條文修正草案」案。 【第二十四案，如經復議，則不予審查；第二十五至二十七案，如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查。】） |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
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請主任秘書報告出席人數。現在開會進行報告事項,請宣讀上次會議議事錄。 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第10次全體委員會議一事錄。好,請張昭偉。好,那如果有要程序發言的,是不是我們請登記,請登記。好,我程序發言一下。 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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條文修正草案案。三、 INTERVIEWER審查委員張宏祿等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。三、 INTERVIEWER審查委員張宏祿等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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主席、各位同仁因為昨天大家在我們內政委員會昨天其實場面有一些混亂昨天韓院長他有召集協商也有特別說 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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條文吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．審查委員 |
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審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。 |
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謝謝主席我想昨天的這個我們在委員會的時候其實昨天民進黨清晨4點半就已經這個破壞我們的就是自行闖入我們的會議室霸佔這個內政委員會的主席台讓主席無法開會所以是民進黨的違反議事的規則在先讓主席沒有辦法主持會議 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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認為別人不對或認為自己會輸就阻止別人開會這不是民主的表現那所以像在月初在財委會審查財畫法的時候民進黨也是不願意理性討論使用暴力杯葛議事進行那甚至吳秉瑞委員還摔爛會議室的麥克風傷及無辜所以希望在我們剛剛的這個會議議事能夠順利進行那昨天院長在這個院長協商的時候也有特別提到 |
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委員會的麥克風使用狀況是由召委來決定。 |
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好,謝謝。請黃婕委員持續發言。 |
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好謝謝主席各位同仁大家早安喔針對今天早上的這個議事錄我必須要在這邊的嚴正的抗議我還是認為這個本會第十次的會議並沒有依法開會會議應屬無效所以這個議事錄應該不予確定並且應該要在本次的會議補行確定第九次 |
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的會議的議事錄。」為什麼呢?因為大家知道說昨天我們有非常認真的同仁早起來上班。那早起來上班為什麼會是違反議事規則呢?應該給予鼓勵都來不及了。那怎麼會用這種方式來,還說早起上班人必須要跟人民道歉。 |
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這個是非常認真的立法委員的表現請大家不要這樣子模糊焦點那我也必須要說在昨天國民黨團這個違法的攜帶個人的麥克風來到會議室這完全是已經違反立法院異常安全及維護管理要點的第七點說委員不得攜帶個人的麥克風這個韓國瑜院長也在之前也有明確的指示過了 |
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那如果個人都可以帶個人的麥克風那是不是在場大家一人一支都可以自意的發言了呢那這樣還有任何的議事的秩序可言嗎那如果交委也可以隨便的攜帶個人的麥克風說要開會就開會那是不是他就在家裡開會就好他是不是也可以跑去廁所說他要來召開會議呢所以這樣子推論下去 |
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規定到說除秘密會議外 |
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立法院應該要透過電視網路等媒體通路全程轉播本會的會議並且全程的錄音錄影那大家可以去看一下昨天早上的會議現場完全是沒有辦法任何收音的沒有任何收音到由議事人員提供的麥克風也沒有任何錄影所以大家根本聽不到說昨天宣讀了什麼內容 |
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那就這樣的內容就知道說沒有依照我們議事人員提供的麥克風造成的結果就是大家根本看不到昨天的會議內容為何所以根據以上包括立法院組織法以及立法院議場的安全管理要點昨天的議事錄必須不予確認那我也認為昨天是一個無效而且非法的會議以上謝謝 |
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文修正草案案。 |
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我講昨天內政委員會我們召回排定的議程包括選法府、韓中選會的這個預算案齁其中我會想選法法的版本不管是民進黨、民眾黨、國民黨都有提出就代表這個是要跨黨派都希望來檢視我們選法法的相關規定啦齁那總會專案也是民進黨團先前不斷地高喊要趕快審查嘛齁那我們要審查齁那這邊其實 |
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事由．審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。 |
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2803.35 |
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程序發言結束我們現在繼續進行報告事項請宣讀上次會議議事錄立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第10次全體委員會議議事錄時間113年11月20日星期三上午9時16分至下午5時30分地點紅樓202會議室出席委員蘇巧慧委員等14人練習委員吳秉瑞委員等56人 |
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列席官員內政部部長劉世芳暨相關人員、中央選舉委員會主任委員李敬勇暨相關人員、司法院民事廳法官張宇嘉、法務部參事廖江縣行政院主計總處公務預算處專門委員李易榮、主席徐昭吉委員辛盈。報告事項,宣讀上次會議議事錄。主席宣告議事錄確定。會場一片混亂,會議無法繼續進行。主席隨即宣告休息。宣讀完畢。 |
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好,請問上次會議議事錄有無錯誤或遺漏?好,沒有啦,那我們就重新確定禮拜一跟禮拜三的議事錄嘛。好,謝謝。重新確定?就照書面就好了。就照書面啦,好。那我們議事錄就確定了。好啦。 |
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就照……我們在桌面上有嗎?對,好,大家看一下桌面的嘛,對,對,對,對,第十次會議的對啦,就確定第九次會議的意思路嘛確定齁,對啦,對啦,啊第十次的我們就這樣,對,就所以會議就喊休息嘛 |
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條文修正草案案。三分鐘休息。 |
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文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第 |
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文修正草案．立法院第16屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第16屆第2會期內政委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第16屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第16屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第16屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第16屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等 |
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文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條條 |
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文修正草案案。四、五條條文修正草案案。五條條文修正草案案。六條條文修正草案案。 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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文修正草案案。四十五條條文修正草案案。五十五條條文修正草案案。五十五條條文修正草案案。五十五條條文修正草案案。五十五條條文修正草案案。五十五條條文修正草案案。五十五條條文修正草案案。五十五條條條文修正草案案。五十五條條條文修正草案案。五十五條條條文修正草案案。五十五條條條文修正草案案。五十五條條條文修正草案案。五十五條條條條文修正草案案。五十五條條條條文修正草案案。五十五條條條條文修 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案． |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案 案。四、ិლლლლლლლლლ |
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文修正草案。」案。四、「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。」案。五、「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。」案。 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。三、сколько審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。三、сколько審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。三、сколько審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案案。 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第 |
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文修正草案案。四、сколько審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、сколько審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。六、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。六、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修 |
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文修正草案案。四、cellence審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、cellence審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。六、cellence審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、cellence審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。六、cellence審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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文修正草案案。四、បᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒ |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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文修正草案案。四、지막審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。三、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。四、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。五、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案． |
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文修正草案．立法院第十五條條文修正草案．立法院第十五條條文修正草案．立法院第十五條條文修正草案．立法院第十五條條文修正草案．立法院第十五條條文修正草案．立法院第十五條條文修正草案．立法院第十五條條文 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文 |
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文修正草案案。四、cellence審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、cellence審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。六、cellence審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、cellence審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、cellence審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修 |
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文修正草案案。四、ymptimum審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、ymptimum審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。四、ymptimum審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、ymptimum審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、ymptimum審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正� |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第11次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會 |
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文修正草案案。三、сколько審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。三、сколько審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。三、сколько審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案． |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。四、지막審查委員 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文 |
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文修正草案案。四、ymptimum Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。三、ymptimum Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。四、ymptimum Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。五、ymptimum Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。五、ymptimum Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。五、ymptimum Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草 |
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條文修正草案．第四十五條條文修正草案．第四十五條條 |
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文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳� |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員鄭天財Sra |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文 |
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文修正草案案。四、지막審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。三、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。四、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。三、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。四、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文� |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文 |
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條文修正草案案。 |
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謝謝主席昨天真的是感覺我們第一次第二次我們都是選辦法大家就是在霸佔主席台昨天我進來我真的是覺得是 |
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條文修正草案案 案。 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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這個我們選上來的這個對我們的社會沒有幫助我們就是有權利來去罷免他也是有身份證的人這樣子的話就是我們要眨眼將對我們任何的公職人員都是公平的這個就是我們的主張所以昨天真的是一片混亂 |
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為了就是要我每次都是我們每次我們內政委員會第一個來就是我們訴訟會委員第二個就是張志倫委員第三個就是我我們三個是每個禮拜我們都是來簽名的三個但是昨天就看到的全部一半以上都不是內政委員的因為我們內政委員會裡面的我們三黨 |
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都很和諧每次做任何的決定大家都討論很充分的討論所以我們希望不管任何的法案都要充分的討論才能達到共識不是用杯葛的我們希望我們未來也是要用這樣子的討論溝通才能達到效果所以針對昨天的內政委員會第十次全體委員會議的意思錄的部分 |
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我也認為今天的議事人員提供的議事錄中所載的會場一片混亂,會議無法進行,主席宣布就是散會,確實就是符合昨天的情形。所以我希望大家就是共同一致達成共識。以上報告,謝謝。 |
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文修正草案案。 |
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主席,各位同仁,就像剛剛蔓越正委員所說的一樣,我們內政委員會其實平常開會大家都氣氛還蠻融洽的,遇到問題大家都可以好好的理性討論思考,然後最後達成 |
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來處理我們的內政委員會的議程的進行。」所以在這邊我想大家都希望內政委員會能夠未來的議事能夠比較順利、比較順暢的來進行所以我在這邊我在這邊跟我們內政委員會所有的同仁我覺得我們應該是要這樣子 |
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內政委員會應提供立法院設備以利主持會議及轉播,落實國會公開透明,在會議時不得攜帶麥克風、音響等與議事無關之物品進入會場。 |
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我想我們以後大家就這樣子來遵循那這樣子我們內政委員會才在剛麥育貞委員說的其樂融融之下然後可以好好的來開會我在這邊提出這一點我相信以我們內政委員會大家常常開會這樣子我相信我們大家未來可以這樣子來遵守謝謝 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條 |
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打鬥的拳擊場。」所以大家都希望能夠好好的開會那昨天本席安排的會議卻無法進行主持無法開會本席也覺得非常的遺憾所以我們希望大家有什麼意見 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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內政委員會的會議都能夠順利的來舉行。我們不要再有杯葛議事以及佔領主席台的這種情況發生。好。好。那我們第二輪的程序發言還有沒有人要發言的?好。那請高津素美委員。 |
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謝謝大家這是第二輪的發言也是我第一次的發言我記得我當主席的時候我們也是針對選辦法在這邊有一些爭議我覺得政黨之間對個別的意見有意見都可以我們比較遺憾的就是內政委員會裡面引起了非常多的爭議 |
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議事委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。三、 INTERVIEWER審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。三、 INTERVIEWER審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文修正草案案。三、 INTERVIEWER審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文修正草案案。 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案 |
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在討論禮拜三的事情,我覺得非常的遺憾。第二件事情就是說,如果我們立政委員會的委員們,大家有規定希望第一以後不要佔據主席台,讓大家能夠來這邊充分討論,充分來用, |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。四、 Naruhodou審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。五、ittee審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。五、ittee審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案案。五、ittee審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案案。五、ittee審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第 |
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條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人� |
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總之這都是攻防其中的一環。如果大家都要簽這些的話就必須講清楚說明白。如果大家覺得這是浪費時間那我們現在是不是就開始繼續開會因為國土計畫法在場有非常多的委員 |
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連經濟秋穎委員也來了然後呢他們都沒有機會開始開會我們已經佔用了大概一個半小時的時間我相信這個在觀看立法院系統的我們的民眾關心國土計畫法的民眾也會覺得這麼重要的一件事情應該要趕快來討論好不好我希望朝委你們就趕快來您就趕快來決議一下我們議事趕快往前面進行好嗎謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
條文修正草案案。 |
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文修正草案案。四、 INTERVIEWER審查委員林思敏等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、 INTERVIEWER審查委員林思敏等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文修正草案案。六、 INTERVIEWER審查委員林思敏等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。七、 INTERVIEWER審查委員林思敏等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。八、 INTERVIEWER審查委員林思敏等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案案。 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。審查委員鄭天財等17人擬具國土計畫法第七條第三十五條及第四十五條條文修正草案案。審查委員張家俊等16人委員劉建國等19人委員邱振軍等21人委員徐欣盈等20人委員王美惠等17人委員柯志恩等16人委員楊瓊英等19人委員羅廷偉等17人委員王育敏等17人委員黃建斌等16人 |
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委員張志倫等18人分辨擬具國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。審查委員陳廷飛等16人擬具國土計畫法第四十條條文修正草案案。審查委員林代化等16人委員圖全吉等17人委員魯明哲等16人分辨擬具國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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審查委員邱益穎等17人擬具國土計畫法第四十條條文修正草案案。審查委員劉靖國等17人擬具國土計畫法第八條及第四十五條條文修正草案案。宣讀完畢。好,本日議程所列討論事項,合併詢答。現在介紹在場的委員以及列席的官員。我們首先介紹在場的委員,麥義貞委員。 |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會議．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會議．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會議．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會議．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會議．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會議．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會議．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會議．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會議．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會議．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委 |
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好,那我們接下來我們介紹列席的官員首先內政部長劉部長世芳內政部國土管理署署長吳新修署長原住民委員會政務副主任委員杜章梅莊副主任委員還有我們農業部政務次長胡忠一胡次長 |
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經濟部綜合規劃司副司長許嘉琳副司長財政部國有財產署專門委員張潔祐專委法務部參事廖江縣參事國家科學及技術委員會產學及園區業務處副處長陳昭榮副處長 |
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接下來我們請提案委員說明提案要旨首先邀請邱奕穎委員 |
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國土計畫法第四十條第一項原條文規定 |
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提供民眾檢舉獎金。過去的這個立法的意旨是考量國內的土地使用違規案件層出不窮,但是因為直轄市各縣市的主管機關會與人力以及經費不足,無法對於土地違規使用的亂象進行有效的查處,所以該條文規定透過檢舉獎勵的方式提高社會大眾監督國土計畫土地使用的意願。 |
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但是我們都知道交通違規的檢舉達人已經引起社會的嚴重亂象警政署現在已經針對交通違規的案件取消了檢舉獎金但是在國土計畫法上面我們並沒有做這樣的修正所以未來在國土計畫法上路之後如果還有檢舉獎金制度的話我想這個也會造成社會非常嚴重的這個衝擊檢舉獎金的法條是在2015年訂定的那我想本席就 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案〉案。 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案 案。所以我曾經在6月4號立法院總質詢的時候也就這個問題請教行政院長卓榮泰那卓院長也對本席的提議給了一個正面的回應他認為政府應該是一個鼓勵人民互相關懷而不是鼓勵人民互相監控所以原此本席在這裡提出國土計畫法第四十條第一項的條文修正草案也懇請 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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主席、各位委員、呃、劉部長還有各位媒體先進啊大家早安那其實像國土計畫法這樣牽動國家百年大計的大法勢必要有相當多的配套措施然而大家都知道相關的子法到目前尚未被期那這已經是說到都不知道該怎麼說了可以說是國土法就是給 |
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不溝通不作為的行政機關所耽誤了。」所以我們很希望說既然內政部我們劉部長有意願想要趕快儘速推行的話那也要跟農業部來溝通啊必須要溝通因為農業部一再說針對全國農地有什麼堆疊式的補助措施但到目前為止一直說什麼9月要公告現在已經11月了還完全沒有消息 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條 |
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甚至還要面對高度的罰還高達五百萬這不是把農民當作農奴一般嗎如果假設農業沒有辦法賺錢到時候我們土有農地沒有農民我們還談什麼樣子的糧食安全所以今天本席在這裡提出就是說針對國土計畫法絕對不能夠先求有再求好 |
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否則硬推改革恐比不改革的結果更糟。」那我也希望說以一個農業縣市的立場提幾項的提議啦,就是農業權應該納入國土計畫法,國土計畫法應該納入 |
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農業發展權轉移制度。」甚至呢這一次我們所提出的展言就是希望用時間換取空間但是呢展言不是必要性保障農民的權益保障農民財產的權益才是最重要假設今天行政院內政部農業部可以提出一個馬上可以讓農民財產權益 |
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受到保障的方案。」我覺得國土計畫法即時上路我們也沒有意見但是在那個之前在這個農業權尚未獲得充分保障農村地區整體規劃沒有入法農業堆疊式補助沒有出爐相關配套措施尚未完善 |
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條文修正草案．全國的民眾對於國土計畫能有眾多疑議,中央應該確實完成跨部會的溝通,然後能夠就是展延四至六年,讓國土計畫更完善、更完備。謝謝。好,謝謝張家俊委員。接下來請徐宇貞委員提案說明。 |
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國土計畫法自105年5月1日施行以來,內政部跟地方政府依規定推動國土功能分區圖的繪製與審議工作。然而現行法律對直轄市限市公告的國土計畫法跟功能分區圖的期限設計,暴露了諸多的困難。 |
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導致地方政府執行受阻民眾的財產權益也受影響信任度也因此降低迫切需要修法因應而在實際執行中各縣市雖然完成國土功能分區土草案的繪製並進行公開的展覽但受限於人力不足天災的影響地方首長更替的因素或因各地標準不一不少地方反彈劃分的標準此情況影響國土計畫 |
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推進甚至損害地方發展跟民眾的生活引發大量的陳情導致政策推動的效率跟地方執行需求嚴重的失衡期限延長顯然是必須的解決方案 |
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國土功能分區的畫設尤為複雜,特別是農業發展地區的規劃。各縣市雖依內政部與農業部訂定的條件進行畫設,但實際成果卻與現況農業使用不符,導致部分農地因管制不當而損害農民的權益。 |
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例如有農民會因莫名原因遭指控為農地、農用引發廣泛的不滿。此外,各地對農地類型的劃分標準不一。加上農運部會能有效的協調,問題更為複雜。地方政府需要更充裕的時間進行調整,確保規劃合理。同樣的,國土保育地區的畫社也爭議不斷。環境敏感圖資因年代走遠或精度不足與實際狀況不符。 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。四、 víde�審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。五、 víde�審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。五、 víde�審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案案。五、 víde�審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案案。五、 |
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本席提議修正國土計畫法第四十五條條文勢在必行。我們建議將公告實施的期限由四年延長至六年,為地方政府提供更多的時間進行更周延的規劃與調整,同時也讓民眾有更多討論的空間。此舉不但能夠減少因期限壓力導致的規劃瑕疵,亦有助於降低爭議,提升民眾對政府的信任。 |
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此次修法的提案只在兼顧國土永續的資源利用與地方執行的能力,更重要的是維護民眾合法的權益。我們相信延長期限將為地方政府爭取更充裕的規劃時間,讓國土計畫能夠更符合實際需求與公共利益,減少矛盾與抗爭,確保國土計畫法真正發揮作用,為台灣永續發展奠定穩固的基石。謝謝。 |
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條文審查委員 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案 |
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國土計畫的全面實施,地方的反彈聲浪卻是越來越大。首先,國土計畫法的相關執法尚未全述定案,土地未來的權益義務仍未明確,地方政府難以向民眾說明後續管理方式及既有的權利保障措施。 |
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其次,國土保育地區畫社是依照中央公告的環境敏感圖資,但圖資年代老舊精確性尚存質疑,許多民眾陳情環境敏感地區的範圍跟實際的現況不符。 |
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還有地方反映農業發展地區的畫色異議以及農民權益保障等諸多問題。因此為了減少未來國土計畫執行所帶來的衝擊以及民怨本席提出國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。延長國土功能 |
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分區圖公告作業期程,也就是將國土功能分區圖公告作業再延期兩年,等到完整配套措施及中分溝通後再行上路。以上,謝謝。好,謝謝張志倫委員。接下來請黃建斌委員提案說明。 |
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政府訂定國土計畫法的本意是在促進我們國土有效的利用採試地適用的規劃方式來達到都會鄉村永續發展的目的 |
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國土計畫法原定的這個指甲是縣市政府在114年的4月30日公佈國土功能分區土進行相關土地的使用管制但是仍有部分的縣市政府因為土地的權益利害關係人對於所劃分的這個功能分區有異議導致無法提送內政部來審議 |
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我想為了要降低我們土地權利人的紛爭也能夠強化我們國土利用的效能本席提出參考礦業法的這個規定在重大的情況之下我們私下市縣政府得以申請展演來辦理其成那以維護我們土地關係權利人的權益以上謝謝好 謝謝黃建斌委員接下來請丁學中委員提案說明 |
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感謝主席。我們各位委員大家好。現在所提的《國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案》案。一段空五年,《國土法》已經通過。希望可以有更好的《國土計畫》案。你覺得是政府要的準備好?所以一段十年,我們政府願當實施。過了多少年? |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案 |
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請吳琪銘委員提案說明。 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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計畫法是一部為了國家長遠發展的一個很好而且很重要的法令當初本席也有參與提案在第八屆的時候可是八年過去了現在我們的政府才在繳交這個期末作業我們發現從國土計畫法105年1月6日總統公佈國土計畫法立法以來 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條 |
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在要實施了可是似乎沒有落實到地方那在這個要執行前有一些相關的意見還有一些相關的資訊還有未來的執行方案我們希望中央主管機關都應該系統性的來跟地方政府跟相關的學界公民團體以及利害關係人等等再與溝通而且充分的聽取意見 |
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所以為了使未來國土計畫執行減少衝擊以及民怨所以本席提出國土計畫第四十五條條文的修正草案將國土功能分區圖公告作業期程由四年延長至六年。謝謝 |
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條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具第四十五條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具第四十五條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具第四十五條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具第四十五條條 |
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條文修正草案案。 |
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第七條、第八條、第二十三條、第三十五條、第四十條以及第四十五條修正草案等共計二十七個提案。內政部應邀列席報告跟備詢深感榮幸。對於各委員提案內容我們的意見說明如下。針對國土計畫法第四十五條修正草案的部分 |
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共有二十四組委員提出國土計畫法第四十五條修正草案其中十八組委員提出延後兩年公告國土功能分區圖三組委員提出延後四年一組委員提出延後一年一組委員提出於修正財政收支劃分法未完成修法前暫緩實施國土計畫法 |
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條文修正草案案。另外有一組委員則提出在地方政府如果有情形特殊者則得向中央主管機關申請展言。查國土計畫法第四十五條細規範國土計畫分階段推動其成。另外依照 |
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同樣的國土計畫法第八條第十五條的規定也應該持續滾動檢討落實國土永續城鄉均衡跟治理至於國土計畫相關的法定工作包括國土功能分區圖的審議相關執法訂定等內政部均按預定期程來辦理同時也積極透過各項行政作為協助地方政府並且辦理說明會對外宣傳此外 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
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議員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條 |
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但是因為外界在討論的過程當中都會有汙名化或者是不了解部分甚至有出現所謂的農奴農地判死刑影響所有農民權益等等或者是限制很多那其實都是一種汙名化在國土計畫如果能夠按照我們原來的進度期程上去的話我們認為在農地的使用上更具彈性而且農民其實是更有保障的 |
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農地可依照現在的地方國土計畫以及中央國土計畫的方向來做變更。其中各委員提案修正版本的延長期限跟方式各有不同,內政部目前仍然依現行第45條條文所定的期程積極推動。 |
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並且尊重大院的審查決議,同時將積極依法如期完成各項法定工作,而且會加強溝通,使國土計畫順利實施並且促進國家永續發展。鄭天財委員所提到第七條、第二十三條以及第三十五條修正條文,其中第七條第二項、第三項涉及國土計畫審議會的辦理事項,委員提案內容將使審議範疇更為明確,建議可配合修正。 |
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至於第七條第四項提案在國土計畫審議會召開時應有原住民族代表一人因其代表性未明確而且實際辦理審議作業時候如果涉及原住民族土地及海域者各級主管機關均會邀請各級原住民族主管機關出席協助審議現行機制已經由行政機關配合審議實際需求的辦理建議維持現行條文 |
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規則。鄭天財委員同時也提到,第23條第三項修正條文涉及所謂的原住民族土地及海域、部落、部落周邊一定範圍等不同空間範圍,考量原住民族土地使用管制規則的草案適用範圍為原住民族土地及海域,原則應以包含部落範圍且 |
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部落周邊一定範圍定義並不明確建議維持現行條文另外涉及本法第35條修正條文的部分其中內政部依照第二項辦理執法訂定過程已經會商中央及地方目的事業主管機關原來條文已經符合委員的提案意旨 |
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至於徵定第三項國土富裕促進地區劃定涉及原住民族土地或部落應該經中央原住民族主管機關同意使得劃設因為本法第36條第一項已將原住民族部落權益納入富裕計畫實質管理作為考量均建議維持現行條文 |
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至於劉建國委員所提第八條修正條文徵定第三項賦予地方政府辦理鄉村地區整體規劃的法源依據以及明定鄉村地區計畫等法定計畫名稱將使地方政府在辦理依據更為明確建議可配合修正為建議將應辦理鄉村地區整體規劃修正為得辦理鄉村地區整體規劃以保留彈性此外未完備相關機制 |
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內政部建議得同時配套修正本法第十條增訂第二項直轄市縣市國土計畫中設有依第八條第三項擬定之鄉村地區計畫內容得另以覆測方式定之等規定。 |
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最後有關陳廷飛委員、秋盈委員所提本法第四十條修正條文刪除民眾檢舉獎勵機制考量該機制有助於遏止違規使用亂象同時內政部已經在執法限縮得檢舉之樣態小面積違規檢舉案件不發給檢舉獎金建議維持現狀條文那同時在本部所提的書面報告裡面有八項副表 |
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包括各縣市目前的國土計畫以及功能分區表呈送到內政部的時間表以及各項的執法修正還有附表三、四各個部會的機關修正的條文還有到縣市政府溝通以及辦理公聽會還有地方政府的國土審議委員會以及地方政府在 |
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審議委員的相關情形、參與的情形跟溝通的狀況。副表八就是國土計畫發展基金對於各縣市合定的金額表,總共大約8億左右。以上副表的部分也請各委員來參考。以上簡單的報告,謝謝。好,謝謝我們劉部長。接著請農業部胡政務次長中醫報告。 |
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各位委員女士先生,奉邀列席大院內政委員會本部緊究國土計畫法修正草案,進行報告,敬請各位委員不吝指教。首先,有關國土計畫法推動涉及農業部事項,請說明如下。 |
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本部將依循農業部門空間規劃、農村發展政策、協調國土計畫下、農地容許使用項目及規定,並推動各類農產業空間部件,配合農田水利相關建設與管理,穩固農業生產區域基盤整備,促進農地資源永續利用與發展,確保農地資源 |
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準指本部研議規劃之各項獎勵措施,都是基於農民耕作模式及品項對於生態環境還有糧食安全所作出之貢獻,而非補償。因此,農業發展地區劃設與農業施政資源投入並非對價關係。 |
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未來農業政策將持續全面精進並依循賴總統國家希望工程政策將現行農業給付政策系統性重視規劃為農業堆疊式給付其架構為 |
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龍地對地給付確保糧食安全給付生態環境給付還有龍業設施設備補助龍業金融資源及龍業公共基礎建設等讓農民安心從農並強化產業韌性國土計畫法全面實行之後將按龍業發展地區之龍業及龍地資源特性需求進行調整 |
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關於相關委員所提出的國土計畫法相關條文修正草案等27案,包括國土計畫法延長實施期程檢討檢舉獎勵機制,調整各級國土計畫審議會議會議會辦理事項,還有涉及原住民族土地及部落事項之規定等。我們審查之後 |
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因為這些相關的提案涉及內政部權責及國土計畫法落實運作機制本部配合辦理那鑑於國土計畫法帶來的影響將牽動農業在整體國土空間發展方向所以本部將以國土計畫農業發展地區為基礎 |
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建構優良的農業生產環境,促進農地及農村資源永續利用發展,進行農業施政資源配合辦理,加強農業發展重點方向與區域發展連結,輔導區域加工,農業物流處理等農產品價值體系,促進我國農業永續發展。」以上報告,敬請各位委員支持與指教。 |
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好,謝謝胡政次。我們接下來我們還是要再邀請原住民族委員會政務副主任委員杜章梅莊副主委。主席、各位委員、女士先生以及參與本次審查的各機關代表,大家平安。 |
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今天本會應邀之貴委員會列席就召開國土計畫法修正草案審查會議進行報告,承蒙各委員對此議題之關心,敬請各委員先進會議指導。區域計畫法公布的時候26萬多公頃的原住民保留地有近七成被編列為林業用地,導致部落族人面臨 |
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土地受限,產生了建地、耕地、公共設施不足等問題,也造成了文化傳承、經濟產業發展、生技受影響等困境。國土計畫法一法應該在114年5月1號全面上路。該法第23條明定由內政部會同本會共同訂定原住民族土地使用規則, |
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並因依原住民基本法第二十一條規定法令涉及限制原住民族利用原住民族土地及自然資源時應與部落諮商說明聽取族人的意見。又依全國國土計畫原住民族土地使用的指導原則國土規劃應尊重原住民族土地傳統慣習及土地利用的方式滿足原住民族部落生活社會經濟之需求 |
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建立和諧土地使用管制與原住民族傳統慣習為目標等面向。本會自109年到112年底已經提送了四次原住民族土地使用規則草案給內政部。那因為還有部分條文需要跟地方政府在座討論,也在今年的三四月也邀請了各縣市政府召開了五場次的這個原住民土地使用規則的意見交流座談會。 |
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也在今年的八月十四號含送第五個版本嚴重民主土地使用規則草案給內政部。內政部也在十月七號跟二十二號也召開了這個機關研商會議。後續本會將持續配合內政部及各機關的研商會議之進行。針對今天各委員提案之涉及本會全管的部分,說明如下。第一個部分是國土計畫法第七條二十三條及第三十五條的修正案。 |
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依照原住民基本法第二條規定原住民族土地之法令適用範圍皆以涵蓋部落及部落周遭一定範圍之土地。故委員所提的這個本草案第七條第四項涉及部落及周遭一定範圍之文字本會建議二十三條第三項維持現行條文規定。第二個部分是國土計畫法第三十六條第一項頁以明定國土 |
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故意的促進地區經劃定者如涉及原住民族土地劃定機關應邀請原住民族部落參與計畫之擬定、執行與管理。委員本會建議第35條第四項涉及經中央原住民族主管機關同意能夠修正為經部落同意。第二個部分是國土計畫法第45條涉及公告國土功能分區土之日期展言。本會尊重大院的最後的審議結果。 |
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最後,國土計畫法將有助於輔導原住民族土地使用取得合法對原住民族是一個轉變的契機本會自國土計畫法105年頒布至今已經辦理了原住民地區五十五個鄉鎮地方的說明會一百一十場部落的賠利有十五場地方政府的人員的教育有十四場專家學者的研討會有四場諮詢的座談會有十二場 |
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另外部落的說明跟座談會我們的統計大概也將近一千五百場。在年底前我們還會製作懶人包做國土計畫的宣導,持續的宣導,後續也持續的做相關溝通的工作。目前會裡面已經完成了原住民土地使用管制規則的草案,後續會配合內政部依照法制的作業期程共同完成會型公告,持續推動 |
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保存原住民族傳統文化領域及智慧、保育自然環境與人文資產,建立永續利用的原住民族土地的機制。」以上報告。沙保、瑪納諾。好。謝謝。 |
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杜章梅莊副主委。其他單位的報告請委員自行參閱並刊登公報。現在進行詢答。委員質詢前原力做以下幾點宣告。第一本會委員發言時間是四分鐘必要時得延長兩分鐘。非本會委員發言時間四分鐘 |
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上午我們上午11點30分截止登記發言登記那因為今天是法案處理本次會議就不處理臨時提案請問各位委員有沒有意見沒有好那現在進行詢答請登記第一位的蘇喬惠委員發言 |
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條文修正草案案。 |
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國土計畫必須準備好就上路 |
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事實上合起來就是我們準備好再上路啦所以現在不曉得是準備好就上路了還是準備好了才能上路還是準備好再上路我不曉得現在是哪一個階段所以第一個問題應該是要問部長你覺得什麼樣的狀態叫做國土計畫準備好了 |
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我們全力把它準備好然後一定會上路我是覺得我們這樣講都太空泛了所以我自己把它分析成三個從這個形式和實質我來跟部長就教我認為國土計畫什麼時候叫做準備好了第一個形式上形式上是各個地方政府是不是把它的區域的功能劃分表已經交上來了 |
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第二十三條第二十三條第二十三條第二十三條第二十三條第二十三條第二十三條第二十三條第二十三條第二十三條第二十三條第二十三條第二十三條第二十三條第二十三條第二十三條第二十三條第二十三條第二十三條 |
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我認為這個形式、實質三要件如果都完成了那我們就可以說國土計畫是準備好了部長你同意我這個標準嗎?謝謝委員我想非常同意那我要不要回答這三個問題?可以啊那我現在就是要問你那你覺得這三項現在都進行到哪裡?地方政府現在有八個縣市地方政府還沒有繳交但是在上次我們就在本委員會在講的時候呢已經有五個地方政府呢他確定12月底要繳交 |
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國土工人分居審議圖,我們現在正在如火如荼地展開,現在已經完成四到五個,是嗎?沒關係,部長你繼續說,我後面有答案。那相關執法的訂定公佈呢,我們可以確定在今年年底的時候呢,都會完成執法的訂定。全部完成。是的,跟國土計畫法相關的部分。好,部長,我下一頁幫你把答案準備好了。 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條 |
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審議中的其實也還沒有全部審議完成但執法也就是中央應該完成的部分你是斬釘截鐵保證年底你說我們全部的相關執法其實會完成所以三個要件剛剛裡面其實有兩個還沒有完成部長那我們現在到底可以說國土計畫法 |
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已經準備好了嗎?國土計畫法真正要一併公告實施是制定在於明年的五月一號。所以到明年五月一號之前還有將近七個月的時間。有關送上來的國土功能分區審議的部分其實我們都能夠掌握狀況,要審議完成其實我覺得對我們的政府來講不是困擾。 |
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我相信其實大家都是贊成要有國土計畫的因為台灣就這麼小我們的每一塊土地每一寸土地其實都應該依照它的效能得到最好的運用這就是國土計畫法最高的本質 |
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讓每一個地方都能夠發揮它最大的效用我們才能展現最強的國力我們本來應該要做這樣的事情可是從當年的區域計畫法一直到現在如果事實客觀情況越來越複雜其實就越來越難完成但好的國土計畫法是就像人的身體嘛頭就是扮演頭手就是扮演手腳就是扮演腳那如果每個地方都可以分配好的話其實 |
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是可以解決最多問題並且發揮最大戰力啊。」比如說我來舉例我在總質詢的時候就有說新北市其實是有一個礦業用地到現在都沒有辦法解決的問題啊這個當年的礦業用地在現在早就已經不出產煤不出產金不出產其他的狀況之後它的地末還是是屬於礦業用地所以不能夠使用啊上面連房子老舊翻修 |
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都沒有辦法用,那這要怎麼處理?坦白說,沒有辦法處理。唯一的處理方式就是,最好就是跟著這次的國土計畫法一併修整,那我們就有機會重新利用編整這個土地。這就是新北市的礦業用地要能夠解決最好的一次機會。這也是剛剛原民會在報告的時候原住民用地的最好的解決機會嘛。所以,原住民保留地,對不起,原住民保留地。所以在這樣的狀況下, |
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國土計畫法要不要實施?」我想大家都會贊成啊可是你看實際上的狀況是什麼實際上的狀況是我在總質詢的時候已經說過了嘛其實你看我們昨天啊這是昨天早上我們英哥的里長又率隊去抗議了為什麼抗議 |
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因為他說二橋地區以前是農牧區啊現在要改成農業區啊他的文字叫做什麼?文字叫做我們這個已經無法耕作的田地劃入國土計畫法農二而且限制更多而且永遠不能改國土計畫法不應該綁死農民新北市政府說承諾會轉達給中央並辦理會刊這不是已經說過很多次了首先 |
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不可能是永遠不能更改每五年就會有一次做整體的通盤調整嘛第二你做了農業區你可以有的補助和使用方式其實也有它相對好的機會但這些訊息都沒有辦法達到傳遞到下面這已經太慢了所以現在的狀況是什麼你回來看我們的英哥為什麼他們會抗議我覺得他們抗議也是有道理啊 |
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來,前面啦!前面啦!這個地方我們的規定是如果一個城鎮周圍都被農地包圍那理論上它要變成是什麼?我們這個地方這個地方本來周圍都是農二的它包圍起來這塊粉紅色是什麼?它編列是農四這就是我現在的英哥可是英哥的旁邊一樣是都被農地包圍的農一跟農二這個聚落你知道它編成什麼嗎?編成乘二之一 |
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兩塊是哪裡?這是哪裡?這是桃園所以對農民來講他就是我哪有什麼新北跟桃園這樣的界線這是你行政區的界線事實上就是我眼睛一望過去都是同一片土地都是在做作物然後中間有兩撮放房子的地方為什麼我是農事為什麼他是乘二之一 |
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新態上就不能夠理解也不能夠接受啊這是為什麼這個上一次在總質詢的時候院長跟部長也有答覆嘛其實就是各地方政府的標準不一所以要拿到中央來好好審議讓各地方政府所訂出來東西要能夠標準一致部長我們的理解應該是這樣沒有錯誤吧完全正確 |
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所以我們的要求是他必須要有足夠的審議時間是讓國土功能分區的畫分標準要全國一致才不會到剛剛在同一個地方看過去的土地桃園跟英哥人感受完全不一樣啊並且那四個城市還沒有交的四個縣市還沒有交的部長你覺得他們什麼時候會交他們為什麼不交 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條 |
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好啦部長,我們今天下午就要開始審了啦,我還是一句話啦,我覺得國土計畫利益良善,但是準備好再上路,化解最大爭議。謝謝部長,部長辛苦了。好,謝謝蘇喬惠委員。接下來請張志倫委員。好,主席、各位委員、各位官員,大家早。那是不是有請呃,劉部長。好,請部長。 |
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第一件事情要先跟你說明一下最近有一件新聞事件引起大眾華人全國矚目的案件就是勞動部北區分署的謝分署長針對有職場霸凌的案件導致優秀員工輕生這件事是全國矚目 |
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造成我們現在目前的狀況是勞動部何部長他自行要宣布請辭下臺卓永泰院長道歉並要求各部會首長徹底清查機關內部不容許再有霸凌的行為以及如果現在有在處理的行為有在進行中的霸凌的案件必須要一週之內要有回覆請問部長有沒有開始遵照卓院長的吩咐來辦理那進度如何需要多久時間來統整這樣的資料 |
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那我本期是希望說,不好意思,本期希望說,之後如果有審查預算的部會,是否也可以提供相關的這些的資料給本委員會的委員來做這個,來做了解,謝謝部長。 |
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條文審查委員 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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所以部長這個相關的資料你會統整給本委會的委員是否可以請張委員再描述清楚是什麼樣子的相關資料就是說如果現在到底有多少的霸凌的案件處理的狀況如何那有沒有辦法就是現在處理的一些案件有沒有辦法在一個禮拜就是說跟本委會說這些案件都有處理然後跟當事人有做一樣的溝通 |
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我跟委員報告要提供這個資料並不難,但是我們希望能夠保護各自,可以嗎? |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文 |
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功能區分圖公佈,區域計畫法不再適用。我想要針對在申請中的非都市開發的許可案件,在國土計畫上路後應該要如何處理?是否在受理中可以准許,還是全部一律要駁回?這是一個很重要的問題。 |
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那還有就是說針對現行區域計畫非都市土地開發許可最終可受理案件的時間以及審議的做法中央有沒有一致對外公佈的一個方法那提供地方政府一個明確的執行依據我是不是請我們署長跟您回應一下這個情緒 |
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好,感謝委員的垂詢。那其實我們在這個執行過程當中,其實很早就思考過這個問題。所以我們大概有把這個開發許可的審議案件的一個銜接。第一個就是說,它已經這個審議中它已經開發許可已經有調整,它補正期限或展延次數跟檢疫流程這部分,我們其實之前都已經有開會跟地方政府有描述過。 |
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第二、當然他如果開發許可審議已經取得相關的許可案那這個部分就直接可以就來進行但是也有一種是他在前面侵犯事業計畫他已經完成審議他只是在審議過程當中但是如果他的開發許可審議的項目在後面的國土工人分區裡面他是屬於應經許可 |
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那後面的項目呢其實他已經有基本上的榮譽項目他已經對接上了他其實就不一定要在現階段就去變更分區所以我們大概都還有包含他的環評水保這些都可以繼續沿用所以我跟委員報告我們基本上都已經把它對接只剩下一種就是說他在現階段才提出來而且完全沒有取得我想要請教一下最後提出的受理時間大概是什麼時候受理時間現在是這樣因為我們本來跟各縣政府談 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．審查委員 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條 |
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成果向民眾先做溝通跟說明,降低民眾對國土保育區畫色的成果的疑慮。就是說,圖資的老做的問題。感謝委員,其實我們每年都在催促這些相關的部會,他必須要定期更新他的圖資。 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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這個部分都是看各部會能夠提供的狀況,所以我這個部分是不是把我們過去有所做的這些都提供一些報告給委員。好,謝謝,謝謝。好,那時間的關係,最後我還是要,本席還是要建議中央要完善國土計畫的相關執法的相關的制定,然後中央要跟各部會溝通,也要跟加強跟民眾宣導國土計畫法上路,民眾的權益有完全的保障在行推動。好,謝謝。好,謝謝部長、署長。 |
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國土計畫法和區域計畫法之間有什麼最大的差別? |
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跟委員報告啦齁大概我們從兩個角度第一個當然是從永健的影響性第二個呢是從延續原來區域計畫時代對大家容許使用項目的一個保護我們從這兩個角度第一個把它做一個比較好的規劃掌控那因為有過去的區域計畫時代是不重視規劃只重視現況管制但是我們賦予地方規劃權那第二個呢 |
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但希望透過合理的規劃審議能夠保護我們的現在的國土。第二個呢但是也延續區域計畫時代對大家容許使用的這個保障權益所以基本上權益都有維持甚至還有在卓與放寬的一個部分。 |
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全力繼續保留啊什麼人家聽不懂啊我請問一下未來國土計畫法實施之後農地可不可以蓋農舍也可以可以嘛對不對延續農發條例的這個部分都延續這個不用講那麼多啦你就可以不可以就好了啦對不對可以嘛那農地未來如果有需要使用的話他可不可以去變更 |
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這個就是透過整體規劃的時候就可以去整理規劃開發就可以了。可不可以變更啊?可以。可以嘛齁。對啊你就回答重點就好。阿所以其實現有的農地它未來還是可以變更還是可以蓋農舍然後還什麼幾乎權力沒有特別的改變啊?是。是不是?還有放寬一些權力。對嘛其實沒有特別的改變嘛齁。是。 |
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對阿,但為什麼沒有特別改變,會造成大家好像很緊張,好像是劃入了農業區之後呢,就永無翻身。我覺得這點要說清楚。 |
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我家也是有農地的啊,對不對,也是都很擔心啊,大家都知道我來自台中縣鄉下啊,大家以後未來農地啊永遠都永無翻身,人活著就是一個希望嘛。應該這麼說很多人都是這一次會提出來是因為他們期待農地的財產價值要更高。 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。四、 INTERVIEWER審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。五、 INTERVIEWER審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。〉 |
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國土計畫法只是在負責地方的國土計畫還有中央的國土計畫我們怎麼樣做比較好的國土計畫不要讓它變成破碎的然後損害到國土的永續發展對部長我覺得這個說這些都對啦但你說去什麼辦說明會我說真的啦能跟多少人說啦農民的最主要的管道是什麼 |
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我除了農會之外,我正產的時候,我是聽藍營業的,我特別說藍營業,我老闆就去看電視,聽你們在說什麼,我沒有預算有什麼,你要應該透過AM的電台,他們在聽的那些電台, |
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你要讓大家知道啊。好,我們來想辦法,來多做溝通。對,不是。透過委員所說的拉基友。他們只聽那個啊。AM。對啊,他們只聽那個啊。啊你再講那麼多,對不對。他哪有時間來聽你說明。就盡量用他們的語言來講。對,我就要講用他們的語言。啊你來說明會也是講一些官話,他們聽不懂啊。龍一龍那什麼。我剛剛講那些重點讓他們知道嘛。好。我覺得這個才是重要。 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．審查委員 |
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因為他是舉一個農地出租做光電板的案例用這樣的概念去那其實這在這整個全世界來講他們所引用的不管是英國或是後來提到了美國其實他都是一個 |
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很早期提出來但是後來都已經修正或限縮甚至大部分都是計畫區為主就是因為在過程當中已經發現諸多不合理的現象或被扭曲的現象所以在台灣從來都不是以這樣的概念 |
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事實上在美國的確也是發生這樣的問題。也就是說他透過一個把他商品化,把發展權商品化了以後,就會發生這種市場扭曲的問題。就是草作,價格草作上來,然後變成圈地買賣。那圈地買賣以後變成農民才是真正喪失他。 |
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自主耕作自主以後去納入開發的這樣一個權益。重點是你要跟農民講啊啊如果這樣的話人家便宜就來買你的農地你的農地現在沒有價值結果每年40萬結果錢被誰賺走這個才是重點在美國就是野方財團就直接去收購你如果這樣的話農民會損失很多捏40萬捏我比放在銀行定存還高欸對不對我個人覺得這個是不大對的捏 |
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對,跟我們的立法宗旨跟農業部要保護農民的是完全不對的捏。我想接下來我們會整理一些有關這一方面的這個,不管是他們提到了國外的還是國內在相關的。不是接下來啦,主席不好意思喔,不是接下來,今天就要討論了,你今天就要把這些問題講給大家聽了耶,部長。 |
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財政委員財政委員財政委員財政委員財政委員財政委員財政委員財政委員 |
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桃園市桃竹苗這個矽谷大開發也沒有農地或者農地會變成建地或工業用地那這些貸金要補助給誰按照他們所謂的農業發展權的概念要補助給農地很多的地方那怎麼補助過去按照剛剛我們署長所說的在美國這樣子的一個方法叫TDR |
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這個TDR是高達一千英畝以上才要做TDR台灣哪有那個土地是有一千英畝大概跟宮廷差不多所以引用這個概念是一個非常落伍的概念何況這個概念是1981年提出來如果有的話現在美國就如火如荼在推動 |
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如果這個要入法是在國土計畫法嗎?還是在農業部的相關的條例? |
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我們的行政單位沒有提這樣子的一個修正法律我知道啦對行政單位沒有放在國土計畫法但是還沒有到我們委員會來對我個人認為啦如果要真的要這個農業權生存權的概念其實這個是要農業部他如何去輔導農民或什麼應該是入在農業部的相關法令而不是入在區域計畫區域計畫法就是一個區域計畫法的精神跟這個是不相干的啦我個人是這樣認為啦 |
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修法也要修對地方啦!對不對部長?我同意委員的看法。接下來請黃婕委員 |
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審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。三、 Naruhodou審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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包括本來我們知道的是新北、桃園、苗栗、台中、彰化、南投、雲林跟台東都還沒有繳交國土功能的分區圖但是現在是不是也有最新的剩下四個縣市沒有繳交是這樣子嗎? |
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當然目前來講我們在持續的詢問包含還有上次這個公聽會大概新北、桃園、彰化、苗栗、臺東大概都有說明他們在年底前會提送但是這個都要等到12月才有辦法確認如果到時候沒有送接我們可能就會再繼續溝通再繼續希望他們趕快提送 |
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條文審查委員 |
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謝謝委員的垂詢,我想委員非常了解這樣狀況,確實沒有錯,現在國土計畫法仍然有兩個到三個縣市沒有告訴我們確切要送上來的日期,那如果沒有送的話會變成在我們國土計畫法裡面有一條叫做一併公告, |
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一併公告到目前為止我們所詢問如果法治單位就是國土功能分區如果我們一併公告的話那大概這一條就沒有辦法那個完全適用那我們就會碰到必須要修法要不要延遲的這個問題但是我們認為說如果延期或是延遲而沒有其他相關的配套措施的話只是把問題無限制往後延 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條 |
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那我覺得現在最重要的問題還是說如果真的分批上路了會不會造成各縣市有標準不一的狀況那是不是會衍生更多的問題 |
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第一、如果已經送上來的15個縣市的話我們現在當然都是在審議當中沒有問題那沒有送上來部分的話我們目前比較大的困擾就是說如果未來有國土計畫需要審議有跨縣市的話我們只能去參照他們已經送到內政部的國土計畫 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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這也是我很擔心的,我不希望說最後因為有一些縣市沒有繳交然後變成是該區的民眾反而權益有受損的情況。所以這也是我覺得現在必須要鼓勵所有的縣市在統一的時間內大家一起好好的用統一的標準來做討論,非常重要的關鍵。 |
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條文審查委員馬文君等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文審查委員馬文君等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文審查委員馬文君等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文審查委員馬文君等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文審查委員馬文君等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文審查委員馬文君等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文審查委員馬文君等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文審查委員馬文君等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文審查委員馬文君等18人擬具 |
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非常謝謝這個黃委員的這個垂詢其實是這樣子前幾天有某一個縣市地方政府他們就提到叫TDRTDR就是我們把它翻譯成農業發展權開發權的概念它是在移轉的是一種變成開發 |
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當農地變成是開發的時候我相信以農民他們的專注是在農業發展對於土地開發者用盡各種的手段手法要讓他做開發移轉的時候其實農地或者是農民本身他的權益反而是受限的所以我為什麼提出他是一個不合時宜的概念第一個他是1981年美國所提出來的 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案． |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第十四條 |
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我想黃委員非常了解我們對於青農或者是對於這個有志發展農業的這個朋友我們一定會盡我們全力來幫忙跟農業部一起來推動但是我們也不希望說這種TDR的概念被無限上綱而且轉變成說所謂的叫特別犧牲的補償條款 |
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其實特別犧牲的部分看起來好像是對農民特別犧牲而且變成是對農地的一個限制但是特別犧牲這個名詞使用在TDR的概念上面剛剛好相反反而是把農地這個判的完全無法動所以我才說它是變成非常僵固的一個土地轉移的概念好謝謝部長好那之後當然我還是希望農業部也有來嘛 |
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對,好,那我希望農業部就是你們現在還是有努力的要做一些配套的措施,包括農業堆疊式集覆的架構,還有農政資源的分級投入,這個我希望你們要再更積極的來宣導以及把你們現在所有手上的這些資訊都要讓農民知道好嗎? |
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對於國土計畫法所有非常詳細的架構。 |
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我們會再努力來辦,因為目前已經辦了158場,有8,890位的參與,農民來參與,當然這個還是要再加強來。是的,我覺得這是農業部的責任,好嗎?謝謝,我們會全力來辦,謝謝。好,謝謝黃婕委員。接下來請黃建斌委員。 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文宣告 |
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部長針對國土計畫法應該是本席在內政委員會第四次來針對這個議題來就來跟部長一起解析改那我想國土計畫法的他是以計畫引導我們整個國土的發展嘛阿我們計畫的目標是什麼就是希望能夠讓我們的土地安全有序和諧的發展下去嘛對不對阿我們現在的建戶內容不顧民怨一意孤行部長覺得還有機會有序跟和諧嗎 |
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面對國土計畫法就是說政府每次都是依法行政依法行政那我們目標要如期的上路如果我們內政部真的這麼認真執行依法行政當時應該就好好的監督我們委員會來編列預算的部分不會造成那麼多的糾紛 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案 |
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最高4千多公頃,將近10分之一,我們中央要核准。這是否對其他我管理各個配套的管理都重要?中央因為我們沒有一個明確的標準跟配套,那其他的縣政府要怎麼接受?這個我想也是因為這個原因很多縣政府到現在都沒有來提交。第二個問題就是說我們缺乏配套的措施,因為重新到我們農民的權益, |
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我講政府為了要永續的推展農業我們認為保留優良的農地就能夠來達到但是部長其實你忘記了一件事就是農民未來到底有沒有體力來耕作他有沒有意願繼續來耕作我講不是把土地化作農一農二之後就可以達到永續農業的目標我講國土計畫法要能夠落實一定要讓地方充分的來溝通而且還要有相關的配套措施 |
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那我想況且立法院預算中心的這個中央政府總預算的整體評估報告也指出我們內政部應該定的這個九項執法年底才能夠完成我想將十時級公告的這個國土功能分區土的期限由四年延到六年就是希望能夠守護民眾的這個權益 |
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如果政策在缺乏溝通的跟配套之下我們倉促的強硬的上路一定會受害到我們台灣農業、美台發展和尖閣我們國土的整個保障力感不同意 |
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有關臺東的部分我是不是可以請我們署長還有請農業部的次長跟您回應一下但是我還是要跟那個委員報告一下其實我們都很努力在溝通但是到包括到地方政府去溝通有的時候是督發局有的時候是農業局有的時候是地政局出來溝通那回去他報告給他們縣長跟市長的答案是什麼我們都不知道所以我們才覺得溝通確實是要因地制宜而且要滾動式那這點我們還是其實加強當中 |
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事由．審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計 |
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條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文審查委員吳� |
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事由．審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。二、지막審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。二、지막審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。二、지막審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案案〉案。 |
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謝謝署長也很詳細的這個說明我想本席還是要強調我們政府可以淪為口號政府啦我們都說金、碑、寡、照、狗也貼貼我們的人民但是剛才權益衝擊的時候不要再用那個我們是依法行政所以貝省真的不知道這麼多他就覺得我的款項太嚴重了我說其實這個地我就在整個我們朝廷當時很多民眾歡迎的前期都是這樣他真的很開心說我的土地未來要怎麼整個 |
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我擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第十五條條文修正草案．立法院第十五條 |
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那一項也是希望我們政府能夠多多聽聽民意,然後多多來體恤我們老百姓。以上之詢,謝謝部長,也謝謝署長跟次長,謝謝。好,謝謝黃建斌委員。好,接下來請王美惠委員。主席,我們請保定國庭號國土署署長。 |
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文修正草案案。 |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政 |
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議員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。四、сколько審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。四、сколько審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。四、сколько審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案案〉案。四、сколько審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案案〉案。四、сколько審查委員馬文君等16人� |
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委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條 |
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事由委員吳琪銘提起 |
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條文修正草案案案件事宜﹑財政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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全體過去的鄉村地區居民可以讓有一些土地開發幾個月的這個款頁。來。頂多在這個時間頂多靠這個款頁。頂多在這個時間頂多靠這個款頁。頂多在這個時間頂多靠這個款頁。頂多在這個時間頂多靠這個款頁。頂多在這個時間頂多靠這個款頁。頂多在這個時間頂多靠這個款頁。頂多在這個時間頂多靠這個款頁。頂多在這個時間頂多靠這個款頁。頂多在這個時間頂多靠這個款頁。頂多在這個時間頂多靠這個款頁。頂多在這個時間頂多靠這個款頁。頂多在這個時間頂多靠這個款頁。� |
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所以為什麼過去,過去是不關關的好壞啦,因為開的結尾就是一個...到現在有關的,關的好壞現在就變成說不是關的問題,是說我們是在這個完喻的正頭,主委,可以開始做這個規劃,這樣的話呢,可以讓這個鄉村地區,因為我們這個政客所在,很多我們在說的,人口多,因為土地... |
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所以你現在說的就是北省的黨員覺得說有關的沒關的,如果中央要做的跟黨員政府要做的,未來這個地會更加糟糕,因為北省就是反而說,跟我的地, |
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事由．審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案 |
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因為這段時間可能沒辦法解釋得很清楚是最主要北省最反落的我們盡量去解釋給地方可以去選擇去那裡的農民說尤其我那陣子的就是說不管我們有煙還是沒有煙像剛才蘇說的有四、五個縣 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。 |
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委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條 |
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因為他們本來在那四年前就已經把他們的國土計畫、管制的國土計畫都已經送來中央啊。所以我們都可以對照,說他們當初的時候跟現在的功能分區圖對還是不對。這樣補充我直接來請教一下,他們這三次的管制,兩次的管制,那間次九四月三十五日後,你,我們, |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
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管理會合法嗎?會太順嗎?會太順嗎?我要跟委員講的部分就是說因為整個全國的國土計畫它就是在限制說全國譬如說農地它的上下限是多少那如果你已經交上來的話呢我們就可以先做這個管理譬如說你在農地多少、建地多少可以做一個比較好配合國土計畫配合中台的這個公建線那它如果不夠的話就變成它不參與這是一種公法 |
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條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
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12466.987 |
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一併要不要拿掉的部分的話就是必須要配套措施也必須要每個縣市政府都同意要不然我們會對不起已經送上國土計畫功能分區圖到內政部來審查了這些縣市政府因為他們也很辛苦他們的公聽會、說明會、演講等等也都是上百上千場的因為北京我現在就是說 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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所以我跟吳孟說,我們是不是擬一個,要不然擬不是遙遙無期說一直擬、一直擬是不是要有一個牽制,在這兩三個月要如何處理才是最重要啦。不然說擬的時候,你我想法都一樣,如果擬,因為擬不完我們也沒辦法去完成 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條 |
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12550.558 |
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條文修正草案案。 |
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12567.867 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。 |
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條文審查委員王美惠委員 |
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12639.845 |
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謝謝,有請部長還有署長還有園民會的副主委請部長、署長還有園民會的杜章副主委杜章副主委部長好,11月13號我在這邊質詢的時候針對國土計畫法有可能沒有辦法如期上路這會影響到援助民族土地使用規則公佈施行的議題當時你在這邊也向我承諾過你會嚴議來處理也會嚴議有配套的措施 |
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今天我們就要審查國土計畫法的修正草案了我也提出了修正動議就是在第45條我要刪除一併公告這樣子限制的文字請問一下研議的結果是什麼部長跟園民會你們有什麼意見報告委員 |
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您剛有提到說要修正45條把一併這兩個字一併公告把它就取消掉了對沒錯那但是我記得我在上一次也是回應這個高金委員的部分是提到說如果一併要拿掉的話必須要有配套的其他條文對所以我就說對像我剛剛所說的 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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12735.069 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條 |
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我多次在這邊協調還有八月份的時候也召開了部落住宅合法化來推動研討會議之後我們原住民族地區也已經制定了初步的規劃方案我們要請部長來持續關注而且要協助來解決推動原住民族土地相關的問題 |
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那在這裡我有看到國土署在2月17號的新聞稿指出他上面寫說國內首部納入援助民族諮商同意機制的空間規劃法令為使得原鄉青年可以返鄉發展特色產業本法也賦予地方政府 |
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可以依據實際的使用情形定定因地制宜的土地使用管制規定,以符合原住民族轉型正義還有使用需求,對吧?國土署。」國土署你們跟原民會的橫向合作之下呢,我相信國土計畫的實施應該是有利我們的族人會相發展的,對吧?好,接著我就要問一下了,國土功能分區劃設之後,會不會影響地價稅? |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條 |
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因為這已經引起了部落的族人有點恐慌所以我在這邊可不可以要求原民會你們不可以講說可能會因為這樣子模擬的可能的答案對部落或者是想要返鄉的青年他會造成不當的恐慌 |
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所以我建議原民會你們要請相關稅務機關來試算,要讓族人清楚了解實際可能會發生的狀況好不好。跟委員大概簡單說明,就是說我們的考量是說,我們未來有很多的地方會化成農事。 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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文修正草案案。 |
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我要求你這樣子寫清楚因為可能會實際上可能會發生的狀況你比我還清楚啦因為你管理原住民的土管處管理了很多年了所以你要交代一下你們的現在的土管處的處長會發生什麼樣的狀況請他試算出來有可能會交多少錢不要引起恐慌 |
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另外,在你的問答集有提到,部落如果有特殊的需求也可以透過鄉村地區整體規劃來規劃部落需求的用地,是不是這樣? |
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對。因為當時就有講說在席老不能說有些地方我們自然化的這個分區他還是要做鄉村區的規劃來開發。有寫得很清楚嘛,對吧?我記得十月份的你們最新資料有顯示原住民族的人口有50.96%都涉及在都會區。如果考慮人在集不在的狀況,實際居住在都會區的人口其實早已經超過部落的六成以上,沒有錯吧? |
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所以目前想要返鄉發展特色產業的青年真的也不少吧?如果國土署如果你們也支持我們原鄉青年返鄉創業跟發展特色產業的話我這邊有具體的建議部長 |
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法定人數不足 |
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謝謝委員的關心,其實大概就是我所說的所謂的鄉村整體規劃,我是不是請署長跟您簡便回答一下?不好意思,請召委再給一點時間,好嗎?謝謝。感謝,就是我們其實從之前的案例大概就是已經努力在推,我們希望每個部落到時候能夠針對自己的發展需求去訂立鄉村地域整體規劃,未來就可以落實到所委員所講的,它就是未來的成長發展。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案〉案。 |
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對,現在的確就是可以五年通盤檢討一次,對,而且他可以自己彈性的調整那個內容。好,另外我今天有提出三項的附帶決議,待會也請內政部和園民會你們看一下,我也希望你們能夠正視原住民族的需求來支持這些提案好不好,然後也支持原住民的土地轉型建議。謝謝,謝謝部長、署長還有園民會的副主委,謝謝。 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期 |
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報告委員我們已經辦了158場那有將近9000位的農民參與那我們往後還要再繼續來辦理 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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對阿,那麼多年了捏。不管是說你要怎麼樣去讓他們滿意嘛,才能實施嘛。所以到現在沒辦法實施,就是不管是賠償或者怎麼樣對他們有利啊,他們才會覺得說實施。但是現在我們很多的立委都希望就是延期,但是我們政府希望實施嘛,對不對。 |
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所以報告委員是這樣子目前還沒有實施國土計畫法我們是用區域計畫法在區域計畫法推動當中我們給予農民的那個叫做獎勵啦或者是幾戶不是補償啦現在就已經在做了而且我可以告訴委員就是說我們每一年每一個農民都在做為什麼那麼多委員就是很多都是提出來的是要延長是什麼原因 |
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民意代表來是說你說農民是覺得你溝通好但是民意代表就覺得你溝通不好因為有一些是做不出來或者是說他們政治的考慮我不知道但是呢但是因為其實你跟我們委員都沒辦法溝通啊農民又沒辦法溝通你怎麼算做不好所以說委員覺得是委員是沒有監督好嗎還是怎樣不是這樣子因為事實上被 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條 |
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所以這個部分我們也要去協助如何溝通讓他們覺得說他們是變可以就地合法這個部分我們也希望希望我們的我們這邊的農業也是要去協助啦因為我們台中也好各個縣市也好有很多的農地因為沒辦法去種植嘛所以他們一定要有想辦法要怎麼樣活下去啊對不對所以我們現在就是有 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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有沒有這個機會?國土無法實施跟農業權事實上是無關的啦因為其實我們現在還有當然無關啦但是我們的探權也是透過土壤怎麼樣去變成我們有這樣子的探權嘛所以我們是說我們要怎麼樣讓我們的農業更有更多的一些權利啊因為今天要做農很少人嘛又有時候就是這個土壤 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第3會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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因鎮定條文對農民給予特別的補償,落實農業權的實施。」這樣子你會支持嗎?不會支持,因為我們現在已經在做了。比如說三寶一金,三寶一金其實我們現在你如果說有脫寶 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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所以說現在我們要實施就是要缺雜溝通不良才會導致說我們那麼多我們的立委為人民說要求延後嘛所以我們希望可以通過但是你要溝通讓我們的農民滿意或者是說他們也達到他們的需求所以他們提出的需求你就馬上否決說沒辦法支持 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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文修正草案案。二、 Naruhodou審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具《國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案》案。 |
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條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文審查委員 |
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部長從上個會期本席就提出要延長兩年其實我們整個政府的政策是一個非常完善也是一個美意但是可能跟地方政府的溝通的橋樑還是不是那麼順暢因為本席在這邊我也看到我們新北市和分林他們都沒有提出因為我也是保證你們也知道我分林的主題 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第3會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。三、 INTERVIEWER審查委員馬文君等16人擬具 |
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題單上個會期我就提議說要延長兩年是不是我們政府部門跟地方的政府大家都做溝通因為新北市剛好又是本席的選期新北市市政府也沒送雲林縣政府也沒送那證明說他們還有餘力 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條 |
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報告委員,委員剛才說到新北市政府跟雲林縣政府,我來聽過,在我們自己的官員去交通以外,我也有跟奧郵局、奧市長、跟中管長都分別加進會。他們兩個都有答應說,希望在12會的時候,可以把國土計畫的公認分架上來進步。 |
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條文修正草案案。 |
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當然國土計畫法有很多溝通不良的地方但是新北市大部分據我所了解他比較不是因為農地的使用部分新北市是因為大面積要改造譬如說建地或其他土地的區域上面的位分上面 |
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委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案〉案。 |
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我沒有反對有人要請我去溝通,我說我不要去,不會這樣,因為我都知道已經近十天的時間了,這是一點。第二,就是說立國國土計畫法,他們真的不可以上來,我們就要去了解說真的不可以上來的原因在哪裡,是因為溝通不足,還是人不足,還是像你說的大部分人都集中在農地上面,會有不一樣的概念,譬如說我們有某委員, |
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條文修正草案案。四、cellence委員吳琪銘等16人擬具《國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案》案。五、cellence委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具《國土計畫法第二十三條條文修正草案》案。六、cellence委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具《國土計畫法第二十三條條文修正草案》案。 |
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案。兩項法件款的概念實在是我們認為不妥當,因為它是去抄美國,美國的土地是我們的一千倍、一萬倍以上,我們這裡的土地可能一公頃、兩公頃已經不得了了,然後它的概念就是要把原來,如果要為了做更好的建地,你還要有土地的價值增加,你就要補貼這裡, |
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條文修正草案案件事項。四、ymption審查委員吳琪銘 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第12屆議員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆議員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆議員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆議員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆議員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬 |
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條文修正草案案案案。四、cellence審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。三、cellence審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文修正草案案。四、cellence審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條條文修正草案案。 |
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因爲普通,在我們對農民有益的部分,您就要充分給農民來瞭解,不然農民因爲很多受到誤導,大家都會恐慌,在這個部分,您就要充分去做宣導,包括我們農業部,包括我們 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。四十條第一項提供民眾檢舉獎金。我認為這個會包括我們過去包括交通、科技、執法很多都展現民怨。所以在這條,大家說我們要檢討,我們不應該讓我們民眾 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案〉案。 |
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委員吳琪銘等16人擬具委員吳琪銘等16人擬具委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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因為你目前就是沒有配套措施啊!連不管藍綠白裡頭、縣市政府有這麼多還沒溝通民眾的疑慮啊!怎麼會說出這個如果只有修這一條會是一個災難呢?現在就是啊!民眾恐慌啊!對不對?所以這一次請教 |
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在所有的溝通民眾的疑慮那麼高的情況之下部長你會不會同意再緩兩年我們繼續溝通繼續溝通所以你不排除嗎是不是因為大院在是不是不排除沒關係我們好好溝通我不希望只有這一條修正修正過後會變成很亂一個國土政策 |
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新青岸貸款的經濟方案 |
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條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
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內政部不是主管機關,我們是住宅政策的主管機關,它是不是新清安貸款的主管機關?當然,所以本席要請問,在這樣子的一個情況之下,我們目前,我們的方向,政府的方向是不是要這個平抑房價?是不是? |
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條文審查委員馬文君等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文審查委員馬文君等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文審查委員馬文君等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文審查委員馬文君等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文審查委員馬文君等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文審查委員馬文君等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文審查委員馬文君等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條條文審查委員馬文君等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條條 |
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審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案〉案。 |
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明年的七月底所以我要請教部長你的居住正義在整個這個這個房屋的布置裡頭你佔了非常重要的一個角色所以本席要請教到明年六月那麼落日之後會不會在你的整個房屋的政策裡頭你的看法會不會希望政府繼續 |
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報告委員新金安貸款內政部的角色就是協助利息的補貼那目前為止我們不希望說在兩年之後如果落日的時候再繼續補貼因為這樣子的話反而對於新金安貸款真正要補助的年輕人不是一個正向的發展 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條 |
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在一千七百七十五家來單位來服役,而且累計的專利哦,很好哦,五千三百三十六件,那每一年可以為用人單位創造新台幣千億以上的產值,這我們要給予讚許。但是退役之後,我們也很好,有將近七成的留任的援用在這個單位裡頭,這個非常好。 |
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但是為了延續這個政策你內政部你已經合訂你也合訂114年研發替代用人單位多少家400多家424家424家我open book給你在這裡齁424家其中最重要的是什麼 |
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其中最重要的單位,你們的盤點。報告楊委員,他當然寫半導體機械,但是就我所了解應該就是五大信賴產業裡面的全部包含在內。對,所以包括半導體、機械、資訊、光電、電子等這些產業,五大產業都在裡面。那我們同時希望能夠協助產業,也幫助人才、培育人才。這是現在非常重要的課題。所以請教部長, |
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民國防兵力結構調整之後也就是94年次的一男畢業已經沒有研發替代役可選那這一項政策怎麼辦呢?你是要終止還是會有其他的制度方向?當然會延續本期告訴你 |
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在94年因為國防部我們全民國防兵力結構調整之後你如果是94年次的藝男畢業之後他就沒有可以替代役可以這個研發替代役 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條 |
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部長你現在還不清楚這個議題因為我們在整個培養人力必須要這個是有好的成績本席在取我們要怎樣延續但是問題是你94年畢業之後他就沒有這個研發替代役啦那你的人要從哪裡來你短暫這兩年沒問題持續再做對不對但是他94年畢業的會到啊 |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第14會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第14會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
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審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。 |
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對,94年的一男畢業之後他就沒有所謂的研發替代役所以這個到了之後,未來幾年,到了之後你要怎麼辦?喔,你要怎麼辦?這是本席跟你討論的議題我剛跟委員報告,我們會堅持要有延續這樣的研發替代役好,會有延續,那人要從哪裡來?人要從替代役那邊來啊不是,我要跟委員報告94年畢業之後就沒有研發替代役啦 |
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審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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檢討後多久時間可以給本席方向?我們月底之前好嗎?好,謝謝。好,謝謝楊瓊瑜委員,謝謝部長。下一位請牛許廷委員。 |
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謝謝主席,部長有請我們要繼續討論國土計畫法的部分第一個本席想要了解一下其實這段時間的爭議其實也久了包含昨天民進黨很多委員其實也都出來開了記者會大家都認為說如果要馬上上路實務上很多困難請問部長要怎麼面對同樣執政黨立法委員不同的意見 |
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報告女委員我剛剛有特別提到我希望國土計畫的部分要能夠是以這個國土計畫為本不要有這個藍綠政黨上面的爭議第一個然後第二個所謂的延緩上路剛剛我們也報告過有兩年有四年有六年甚至有一年甚至有說要把一併取消掉 |
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所以我才提到說我們國土計畫法呢他當然不是很完美但是他如果需要這個修法或是調整的時候需要一定的配套而不是只修一條或只修兩條那第二個呢我們認為是延緩上路之後呢他的延緩上路的配套措施到目前為止每一個委員看法都分歧那再來就是有關分歧的部分大致上都是落在農地的部分那農地的部分呢包括 |
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這個就是本席要問的啦其實喔其實在當初開公聽會的時候本席也講得非常清楚這個國土計畫法利益非常良善可是問題是講說修正的時候會遇到非常多的問題其實本質的原因我想部長或者是署長都很清楚就是因為台灣還是沒有一套好的方法去惡足所謂的大開發主義嘛 |
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在臺灣不管搞農業也好搞產業也好到了最後發現大家發現還是從土地去賺錢速度是最快的所以有農地的人每天在想著我怎麼把這農地變成建地我今天講話真的很直白而且這個沒有什麼藍綠的問題啦這個就是現實大家要面對的狀況那我們政府到底有沒有魄力去面對這件事情我們面對這個大部分不管是民間也好政府也好大家都鼓勵變相鼓勵或期待大開發主義的這樣一個風氣我們現在政府到底的態度是什麼 |
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我覺得我們要先把這問題釐清之後我們才可以真正把這個阻礙國土計畫法修法的這大石頭搬開不是嗎?部長我們現在要用什麼樣的方式?你看現在幾個問題嘛第一個就是你不管當然藍營執政的縣市也好綠營執政的縣市也好大家都還是因為變更的問題嘛 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案 |
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但是這個東西如果政府沒有提出一個方案沒有一個討論的基礎所以大家今天才會去講說可能要斬言因為對這些東西的討論或者是配套並不明確以至於基層很多的民眾是反對的這個問題還是沒有解決不是嗎部長 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案 |
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審查委員 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案〉案 |
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但現在就是推進的過程中顯然還有諸多的爭議沒有解決本期認會第一個比如說大家現在炒最多的是農業的政策的部分比如說雲林丟出了一個農業權的一個概念那他的概念其實就是好讓他接受就是說我的未來的土地在管制上或者是在使用分區上我就是以農為主但相應來講你要給予更多的財政的支持或者是其他方面的補償 |
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這個其實就是一種解決方案嘛那當然部長你可以講說這個還不是很成熟還可以討論但你片面的認為是災難我覺得好像也話也講得太早了一點但不管方法只是說把它放到國土計畫來的話呢它就是一種災難你到底要立在哪一步法裡面政策的執行的配套是什麼方案是什麼其實都有待討論但其實就是因為你沒有一些這樣子的妥協或折衷的時候我們都沒有辦法面對民意反對的浪潮嘛 |
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我們不能因為他學理上他是有進步的我們就要壓制民意的浪潮這樣很奇怪嘛我們的角色本來就是在中間不停的協調所以今天有慢慢慢慢開始有人丟出了新的方案他其實就是一個產生配套的過程嘛那今天就是產生配套的過程中也許需要更多的時間啊那部長你同不同意需要更多的時間 |
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國土計畫不是只有講農地計畫。 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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可能要開更多的地方說明會尤其在農業縣市是不是要多走一走再聽一聽大家的意見要不然你當立法委員這一段我們剛好就夾在中間我們了解這個法案推動的學禮也了解它的好意但是我們也面對民意的壓力所以我是覺得需要更多的時間去做溝通不是嗎 |
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我想我贊成這個委員的說法就是如果需要多做溝通的話包括用那個他們能夠了解的語言多做溝通但是也要讓我們能夠了解我們去哪裡溝通因為我們現在包括溝通的場子都出來那有些地方呢他不希望我們去啊他只願意我們只願意接受大家擔心血流成河沒關係啦我覺得這一部分血流成河是太過分啦我想不用這樣講我們還是一樣願意多做溝通包括我們自己的這個民進黨的委員也知道他們認為溝通要戰前 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文修正草案．立法委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文修正草案．立法委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文修正草案．立法委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文修正草案．立法委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文修正草案． |
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條文修正草案。 |
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謝謝主席,謝謝劉部長,劉部長已經在被巡談。我想請教一下部長,我剛剛聽到幾個委員跟您在這個巡達的過程中,您一直提到說希望這個國土展演的部分不要有政治的因素,那請問一下部長您提的,您指的是什麼? |
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報告委員在我們溝通的過程當中第一個我們是希望國土計畫就國土計畫的部分農業發展就農業發展的部分讓我們多做這個溝通然後不要牽涉到說什麼政黨支持什麼政黨不支持什麼像譬如說我會要求我們的其他公務員去做溝通的時候不要帶有任何的政黨色彩 |
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財野黨貝格爾執政黨貝格爾執政黨貝格爾執政黨 |
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本質,就是針對國土計畫法,針對農民的權益,大家還有很多的疑慮。」我想這個跟政治一點關係都沒有,否則這個民進黨的這個委員應該贊成國土計畫法盡快上路都來不及,怎麼可能提出展言。所以我想致敬,尤其是剛剛部長您也提到就是說在前兩天雲林縣有提出一個農業權跟農地移轉權的一個概念,農業 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條 |
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好的配套措施﹑目前看起來就是沒有所以為什麼大家一直希望說能夠展延就這樣那如果擔心農地炒作就不給農民的這個補償的話那其實這樣就是因業廢食啊那這些弱勢的農民他們要怎麼辦 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第十五條條文修正草案．立法院第十五條條文修正草案．立法院第十五條 |
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財政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院財政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院財政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院財政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案．立法院財政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草 |
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其實所謂的權利,權利當然就分為未來權益跟我們現在的權益。那以農民跟農地來說,既有的權益就是農業的收益,未來的權益就是有可能會開發的利益。所以國土計畫法上路之後,不但會傷害農民既有的權益,而且也有可能讓農民未來的權益受到嚴重的影響。 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文宣告 |
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最重要的是現在沒有做好的地方,我們要把配套做好。我剛剛為什麼提到英國?就是現在英國的新農業法規在2024年5月21號正式生效。農民可以將閒置的建築物改建成新的住宅和商店。 |
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例如戶外運動設施、更大的農場商店跟農場培訓中心跟住宅。那這也讓英格蘭的各地農民有更多自由去拓展多元化的業務,而且沒有需要花費時間和金錢去提出申請。那這個資訊是那個駐英國臺灣代表處經濟組提供的。那既然部長經濟部是鼓勵國人到英國去投資農地、農業 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案 |
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參照現在非都市土地的容許使用跟現在國土計畫國土計畫的農業區容許項目大於非都市現在的規定所以沒有受損我還是比較強但是我知道地方流傳的聲音都先貼一個受損所以提的受損指的是反而就像委員所講的刻意把它貼成是未來發展的權益當作可是區域計畫一樣沒有未來發展的權益 |
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所以我覺得前提被貼了。第二個,委員所提到的這一則報道我說明一下所以委員現在所提到的大致上所以我還是第一個DIP |
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條文修正草案案。 |
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我們還放寬了,但是我在地方一直沒有。其實我相信地方都很樂意不管是部長、署長能夠到地方去跟他們溝通清楚,他們都很願意。所以我說明啊,我知道的是有些人沒有去特別講清楚,其實使用是放寬了,包含委員現在所提到的這些,其實未來透過整個規劃都可以去。署長,我想您非常清楚目前的問題點在哪,不管是在內政部或者是農業部,你們都很清楚問題點在哪裡。我們現在的目的是要解決問題, |
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審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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法定人數不足 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文 |
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我覺得要溝通是一定雙方都要拿出誠意那我也希望說接下來就是內政部還有針對這幾個農業線我就說沒有人反對如果在這之前大家都已經提出配套措施或是相關的補償方式 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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文修正草案．第四十五條條文修正草案．第四十五條 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條 |
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很多地方比如說像我大概跟部長報告我們雲林縣的農民大概一年的收益大概47.8萬可是在新竹市新竹科學園區他們的平均的一年的年收入多少我相信應該你們也都很清楚 |
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所以你就知道這樣子大的差異是因為我們要確保國內的這個國人的糧食安全而做到的這樣子的一個犧牲所以為什麼會有講說特別犧牲應該給特別補償主要是這樣的一個原因那如果你們認為農民沒有特別犧牲那是不是就那乾脆以後就是全部大家一起來負擔國人的糧食安全啊 |
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我會有其他的法令可以一起來協助我還是一直強調我覺得不要把國土計畫法過度解讀到說是特別犧牲了農民的權益的受損是因為國土計畫法這是我們最在乎的地方其實這個部分我們都已經有提出來一些論述那我們大家共同來去努力把這些問題解決好不好謝謝部長 |
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文修正草案案。四、ittee審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、ittee審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。六、ittee審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、ittee審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、ittee審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、ittee審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案〉案。四、сколько審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案〉案。 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條 |
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連剛剛部長都講出不要汙名化國土計畫法所以表示過去八年我們要實施的這個落實他到明年要上路了剩下剛剛部長還回答說還有七個多月沒有剩五個多月了到明年四月底之前剩五個多月沒有七個多月那七個多月可能是我們跟前兩個月算起來七個多月所以 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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但是這些說明會的成果跟結果還有效益 這才是重要的在開完說明會之後 什麼是國土計畫法?國土分區功能是什麼?各分區功能依據什麼法令來執行?施行會會產生什麼影響?其實在說明會當中 代表出席的都答不出來 |
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然後民眾參加完說明會之後完全沒有理解整個國土計畫法本須必須說國土計畫法是一部非常重要也非常好的對我們整個我們國家國土發展最重要的一個法律 |
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但是我們就是因為整個的施行的過程一些要準備的不完備所以造成我們民眾的很多的疑慮那在這裡本席也要來請教就是說我們的功能分區圖正式實施包括我們中央所拿到的很多跟現況不符 |
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很多跟現況不符你就要據以實施這就產生很大的問題啊我來舉例土地受污染無法耕作我在這邊講啊有些那個土地受污染現在還在還在耕作稻米其實那個耕作的人他自己都不敢吃 |
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都不知道賣去哪裡,這種情況還要編為農醫,這種情況還要編為農醫,這第一個。第二個本席在這邊也講過,農醫沒有水源,你還是要編為農醫,這第二個。第三個, |
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現在依據我們這些都是地方很多的疑慮現在我們因為很多政府都為了縮短這個城鄉差距還有貧富差距所以致力在推動量力農村 |
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已經稍有成果,結果民眾覺得我們中央走回頭路,制定國土計畫法,我現在講的是民眾的疑慮,一定要想辦法來做溝通還有去了解。民眾覺得國土計畫法限制了我們鄉村農地的合法的這種使用,使貧富差距更擴大。 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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整個特農區可是因為有些地區的發展那邊有30米的道路那這個聯絡道路他一邊可能已經是都市區都會區另一邊還在特農區在道路周邊他可不可以藉由這一次整個國土分區的這個規劃他能不能有些特農區他能不能不要再歸為農醫這個部分可不可以先回答 |
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條文修正草案案案件。四、 INTERVIEWER審查委員馬文君等16人擬具《國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案件》案。 |
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他還是化為農醫,那這個情況?那個會被稽查跟管制啦。所以這個是國土分區圖交上來以後,你們再去稽查才去確認嗎?那個是環境部啊,他在縣市政府裡面都有專責的單位,都有專責的單位去把他做列管,而且不能中人。現在好幾個縣市本席了解,他繳交上來就還是,他污染的 |
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他沒有水源的都還是你所謂的以前的特農區現在的農醫都是列為糧田那你你現在國土計畫法要上路他根本規劃錯誤這個情況你要在哪一種機制這個就接著我們就講到你有沒有緩衝機制這個他會送到內政部來的地方政府送我來你先 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案 |
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新竹縣新竹縣新竹縣 |
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審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條 |
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今天就算12月底給你上來,我認為4月也是無法順利實行。所以這也是為什麼我們原來都是期待在今年6月,就是這個意思。這麼多問題,我看今年6月就算全部送上來,你審議也是很草率。跟委員報告就是說,那這就是在國土計畫現在這個制度的好處。那中間都可以,過去的區域計畫時代是完全沒有的。 |
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條文修正草案案。三、 INTERVIEWER審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。三、 INTERVIEWER審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案． |
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本席也必須講新竹縣國土分居圖是交上來8月就交了但實際上地方對這樣的情形這是我們聽到的聲音地方就是對我剛剛所講的問題都沒有解決啊所以我們中央在審議的時候還可以再等於說再去調整所以我們也希望中央跟縣市政府也要溝通好 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。四、 Naruhodou審查委員馬文君等16人擬具 |
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再重新再拿回去再檢討,調整到更好,包括剛剛你們也認同的這幾個問題,這很多區塊,而且這面積也不小。瞭解,我跟委員報告啦,我們分幾個層次啦,就是您剛剛所提到了,有一些比如說是它的這個圖資層本身產生跟限定不符的,那其實我們是審議完成,它是審議完成,但我們還沒有核定,所以在這個過程當中是還可以 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。 |
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所以我覺得這在整個流程裡面其實都有完整的配套我們從第二階段其實都鼓勵縣市就可以去做這類的規劃那到第三階段的時候再來落實這樣那我很快再問兩個問題 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案 |
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本席看啊,因為草野的立委啊,我看都來跟我私下反映啊,要延啊。那如果真的延,很多我們不足的,這未來一定要,不要說延了,喔,後面再延,因為前面也延過一次了。 |
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原有在非督裡面做了更正編定這個制度還是都維持所以我們對民眾的這個圖資因為圖資造成誤解的這個資訊的這部分我們都是持續用開放性的交易所以署長也知道你看每一個委員提的問題你們都知道但是它沒有被解決好最後整個區域計畫轉軌制國土計畫的制度你們的緩衝機制一定要有 |
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所以剛剛跟委員報告過其實我們都已經按照不同情境給予不同的但是這個緩衝機制好像沒有辦法化解整個地方的反彈應該是這麼說如果還是有臨時提案可能連新辦事業計畫都沒有的都還沒有審查通過那個是最困難也是最近在地方政府會暴增的那這些即使延期我跟委員報告這些案子還是會出現 |
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但是我覺得那個轉軌的緩衝機制你們把它明確一點明確之外我覺得這整個過程宣導也就是說包括我不知道這之前對我們因為都是地方政府去做說明會然後中央是不是也有派人下去 |
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審查委員李柏毅等16人擬具 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文宣告 |
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國土計畫法今天有很多修正的條文進來那主要的當然就是對於實施的時程上大家有一些憂慮那希望可以做更周延的一些討論我直接來說明一下我目前為止聽到的一些憂慮是什麼東西在幾次的公聽會裡面包含有一些學者他提出來 |
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過去農地開放重電當農業部修正當農業部做出修正禁止兩公頃以下農地使用光電農地價格下跌18% |
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過去農地0.25公頃以上的農地可以蓋農舍所以0.25以下的農地不能蓋農舍的這個價格也在農地的市場上有很明顯的一個變化過去台灣為了解決很多工廠福島的問題台灣為了解決一些違規工廠的問題 |
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解決的農地工廠反而這一些原本農地的地主他得利現在可能有國土計畫法規範下去之後的這些地主他不會有這個紅利這些都是過去台灣農地 |
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內政部可以堅持到現在部長還說要努力的來執行要化解這些所有的疑慮部長真的是不容易但是我們還是要把農業部這些問題農業部必須要來做出這些問題的這些解釋啦剛剛部長說了如果 |
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真的像剛剛很多委員講的要用白話要用農民的語言去跟農民來做說明這個才是如果未來有研要這個實行的期間農業部才是主角啦不是內政部內政部就是要趕快把縣市政府可能來署長我請你回應一下 |
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你認為會不會,如果真的展延,會不會有其他縣市政府已經交了的縣市政府說我要重交?署長你認為會不會?的確是有可能 |
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有作成延後實施,那署長你認為我們要不要跟縣市政府重新律定再交建的時間,再上繳這個國土計畫?應該這麼說啦,其實這當然是我們會找他們討論所謂的再重新再繳的時間,那這是第一個。那第二個就是說,其實在過往當中對縣市政府也是一個兩難。 |
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要慎重思考相關配套最簡單的幾個問題再講十次再講一百次跟農民說清楚農地可不可以蓋農舍農地可不可以農醫可不可以變更 |
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農業權目前農業部有沒有在做?目前農業部的堆疊的這一些補助有沒有在執行?就這三點去對所有的農民說清楚嗎?那如果來來次長你稍等一下次長你稍等一下我請署長次長你稍等一下我請署長 |
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三個問題就好了所以農民擔心的就是說國土計畫法實施之後它的農地價格有沒有被影響這個去說明清楚沒錯最後請部長好我說明一下好了第一個農地蓋農舍沒有問題因為 |
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他依據的是農發條例,不是依據國土法。」對。所以這是第一個。這個講一百次也要去講。沒有錯。好,來,持長繼續。農業發展區一有沒有可能會變更?可以,因為只要有具體的整體開發計畫都可以。是。農一農二都一樣。國土計畫法有沒有判農民的土地死刑?有沒有判農民死刑?沒有,反而現在的區域計畫才是定住了,它不能動。麻煩。國土計畫反而是可以動的。好。 |
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最後一個問題就是這個農業權也就是農醫現在目前的補助農業部有沒有在做這些堆疊式的補助現在都已經在做而且每一年我們光是這些農民福利或者是農民相關的增加糧食安全的獎勵已經達到1400億現在都已經在做了好 謝謝大家辛苦了 謝謝 |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土 |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案 案。 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第 |
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文修正草案案。四、сколько審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、сколько審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。六、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。六、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修 |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第3會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
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文修正草案案。四、сколько審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。六、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。六、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條 |
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文修正草案案。四、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。六、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。六、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文 |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案． |
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文修正草案案。四、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。五、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。六、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。五、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。六、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土 |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第3會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第3會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第4會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第4會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第4會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第4會期內 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第11次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次 |
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文修正草案案。四、지막審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。三、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。四、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。五、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。六、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案 |
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文修正草案案。四、지막審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。三、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。四、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。五、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。六、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草 |
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文修正草案案。四、cellence審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。五、cellence審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。六、cellence審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。五、cellence審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。 |
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文修正草案案 案。四、ិᴥᴥᴥᴥᴥᴥᴥᴥᴥᴥᴥᴥᴥᴥᴥᴥᴥᴥᴥᴥᴥᴥᴥᴥᴥ |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第 |
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| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第12會期內政委員吳琪� |
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文修正草案案。四、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。六、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。六、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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文修正草案案。四、지막審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。三、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。四、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。三、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。四、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修 |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案 案。 |
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文修正草案案 案。四、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案 案。三、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案 案。四、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案 案。五、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案 案。五、지막審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土 |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第 |
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文修正草案案。 |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案． |
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文修正草案．第四十五條條文修正草案．第四十五條條 |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第11次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會 |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
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我們現在繼續開會我們請鄭天財委員 |
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主席各位委員有請部長還有國土署的署長請劉部長還有吳署長部長這個地圖照片我已經放了很多次這個前任的部長尤其是前任的部長是當過基隆市的市長 |
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包括前前任的部長我都給他看過我常常以基隆跟新北市為例基隆是一個山坡地的一個地方它的坡度很陡像這個中正區很陡都可以蓋高樓大廈我們在巖鄉沒有要蓋那麼高啦我們只要能夠蓋房子就好 |
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七輪中山區,三坡地都是建築用地,蓋很高。新北市的汐止區包括新店區一路上都有,高速公路上都會看得到。但是現在有了國土計畫法之後,所擬定的這些相關的這些規定, |
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仍然是要維持延來的。」維持延來的。這個使用管制規則我先問這個署長使用管制規則延民會送到部裡面多久了? |
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已經三個多月了。所以你們一直到現在都還沒有確定?其實內部有演唱過好幾次,那下禮拜二要最後在法治上的審查。還沒有嘛,還沒有公告嘛,要先審查之後才要預告。所以,嚴明會的我其實不是很滿意。 |
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但是我的了解是你們還要再去限收了所以我很希望能夠早點預告我們才可以有機會表達意見在這樣一個情況之下這個使用管制規則很重要但是按照目前你們的整個目前的你的至少到目前你的報告裡面來看 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案 |
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我們只要是原住民的土地不是保留地喔不限於保留地喔只要是我們的土地然後他就沒有地方可以蓋房子就只能在部落的周邊他自有的土地裡面來蓋房子你們說還是要寄有的這跟委員報告啦他有分寄有的還有我們之前有提過嘛 |
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原民會議提過一生一次的這一個部分其實都有兩種權益都有保留在國土計畫裡面都有保留所以這一個部分其實是對原住民的居住權益是有非常好的保障這是一個部分 |
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這裏面當然我還沒有看到你的正式的條文因為已經給你三個多月了嘛你還一直還沒有有啦雙方都有持續在寫三個月所以在這樣的一個情形之下這個使用管制規則到底我們是不是符合我們的如果你還在保障既有基柱權利及傳統慣俗使用這我就很隆重啊就從你的文字裡你的報告的文字裡面 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。二、 INTERVIEWER審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。三、 INTERVIEWER審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。二、 INTERVIEWER審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案案〉案。三、 INTERVIEWER審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案案〉案。四、 INTERVIEWER審查委員馬文君等 |
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修正草案案件都因應應,既然……我先請教一下部長,會展言嗎?如果按照現在原住民的部分不是真的原住民,整個國土計畫法的 |
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沒有配套措施之前我個人並不贊成繼續展言因為只會讓有一些按照我們原來計畫要走的縣市包括原住民的這個圖館的部分的被延擋那現在各政黨的立場或者是現在的修正條文是不是勢必會展言 |
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審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第16次全體委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第16次全體委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第16次全體委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第16次全體委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第16次全體委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第16次全體委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
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沒有辦法解決現有的原住民部落問題的話,寧可展言。我會是這樣一個立場。謝謝委員您的高見。有關於原住民族圖館的部分,我有要求我們的國土署在跟原民會溝通如果沒有障礙之下,我希望在12月底的時候就可以有預告。 |
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審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11次全體委員會第11次審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11次審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11次審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案．立法院第11次審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第12次審查委員吳琪銘等16人� |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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謝謝鄭天財委員接下來請鄭正全委員鄭正全委員鄭正全委員不在盧憲伊委員盧憲伊委員盧憲伊委員不在請林倩琦委員 |
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主席,還有立院同仁和行政院相關的夥伴。我是不是先請我們的內政部長,還有我們國土署署長跟農業部次長,因為我這邊也要呼應一下這個原民相關的議題,所以我們是不是副主委這邊我也請您代表一下。 |
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那對於剛才那個政委員這邊提醒的原住民的這個部分我也呼應他這個概念那他的概念我再強化一次也就是好像一般人都覺得在做任何的設計或規劃對原住民的這個照顧的概念但是我想剛才政委員的這個概念上應該基本上談的就是原住民原有的東西在國家體制進來之後 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第十五條條文修正草案．立法院第十五條條文修正草案．立法院第十五條條 |
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內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文修正草案．立法院第11期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文修正草案．立法院第11期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文修正草案．立法院第11期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條條文修正草案．立法院第11期內政委員吳� |
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條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「 |
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第二階段,目前卡在第三階段往下走,因為很多地方政府的一些還需要更嚴謹強化的部分,現在跟中央還沒有談好。但是我想了解一下,請問我們最後在經過第二階段到第三階段的過程當中的最後的公展版本本席可以在哪裡看到? |
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公展版本其實都有了在國土署的網站就已經都有對因為它國土功能分區圖要先完成公展然後縣市政府審然後才可以送到內政部來審所以到目前為止都有公展版本 |
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這個公展版本也就是最後你們應該是最要來送來審的這個版本OK我就是先確認一下嘛好我就提醒一下因為這個問題也是大家爭執了很久那很多這個地方的縣市都因為這個農醫的問題也就是這個農業的這個部分有一些還有一些意見 |
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條文修正草案案案件事宜﹚一﹚一﹚一﹚一﹚一﹚一﹚一﹚一﹚ |
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條文宣告 |
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其實就等於告訴所有的土地開發商這裡可以低買高賣這也是過去台灣在思考都市計畫學界、地政學界在討論所謂的發展權的時候遲遲不敢大量引用就是因為考慮在這一點今天如果直接套用在農地上等於直接告訴大家農地的價格上面還有一個bonus在上面 |
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但是對於農地的擁有者他可能實際碰到的現在耕作人的減少然後跟這個土地的所謂被限制那聽起來還是像是依據國家的法規發展所以我才會跟你們報告過去的區域計畫沒有規劃檢討的程序 |
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國土計畫有規劃檢討的程序。」那可能看起來就會產生的問題就在實際管理執行的層面這個是目前大家卡住一直不敢下去的原因嘛就是法規的制定是這樣可是等到實地施行的時候聽起來好像不會被限制的東西事實上你確定嗎?非常確定我舉一個例好了他的制度就會跟現在的都市計畫區的制度極為接近了 |
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我還是跟你們建議就是說這個實地執行上你們應該在這個法的層面他不要到後來這個在授權給各單位的時候那到最後的樣貌又不一樣就像發展公安條例不好意思在沒有這個條例之前大家都各自負責結果有了這個條例之後呢就把所有的東西都禁止了 |
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竟指責之後不願意開放就是因為所謂權責的關係所以我指的是說現在有這麼多爭議我想對於這個沒有辦法理解掌握權力的人如何去操作的一般民眾我想這是他們最大的疑慮也就是說當他們承諾了這件事情之後呢到最後可能走的方向跟實際的執行是不一樣的我覺得現在應該是一直卡在這上面很多人的疑慮我想是不是 |
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審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案 |
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接下來請賴士寶委員、賴士寶委員、賴士寶委員不在、葉元之委員、葉元之委員、葉元之委員不在、洪孟楷委員、洪孟楷委員、洪孟楷委員不在、王育民委員、王育民委員、王育民委員不在、羅志強委員、羅志強委員、羅志強委員不在。 |
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蔡易瑜委員蔡易瑜委員蔡易瑜委員不在。邱志偉委員邱志偉委員邱志偉委員不在。丁學中委員丁學中委員丁學中委員不在。吳思瑤委員吳思瑤委員吳思瑤委員不在。 |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員鄭天財 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文審查委員 |
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蘇長,我是覺得整個國土計畫法被汙名化,被兩位地方首長帶頭這樣子抹黑,我是覺得你有一點失職,因為你該辯護的方向辯護不利。 |
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國土計畫法比區域計畫法還賦予地方政府更多彈性,也給他們更多工具,然後也讓地方政府更賦權給他們。在這種狀況裡面 |
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最少我知道今天有一個記者會在國立成功大學都市計畫學系黃偉儒教授他也做了一個區域計畫法跟國土計畫法的比較他今天的比較做出來大家一看就覺得 |
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天啊,這個國土計畫法就應該要趕快通過才對啊,如果是地方政府的立場的話,聽下去你就知道趕快通過才是最好的啊。但他在做的比較是說,這五十年來,大家聽到區域計畫法嚇到,一朝被蛇咬十年怕草繩啊, |
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他們所想像的國土計畫法還是像過去的區域計畫法因為過去區域計畫法最為人詬病的就是它依現況邊定沒有檢討機制毫無彈性形成凍結式的土地管理模式所以導致許多合理的使用但是不合法存在沒有彈性它沒有辦法合法的使用合理喔 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院 |
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案。三、 INTERVIEWER審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。 |
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所以我跟邱文燕委員我們當初在立這個國土計畫法的時候就是針對當初我們看到的這一些問題提出了很多的相對應的這個工具包括說我們功能分區的畫社計畫要去引導開發 |
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我們也賦權給你地方政府有認定土地管理等因地制宜的作為,也提供你們地方政府通盤檢討的補助。我們就是要讓你有彈性,讓你可以更因地制宜。要怎麼做也全部你自己地方政府決定的。 |
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第三、已經投入鄉村整理地區的規劃案聚落規劃也有補助啊。所以我們中央還要補助你地方呢?依法有據的補助喔。第四、過程當中我們都讓民眾有參與的程序回應民眾的真實的需求。所以這不是洪水猛獸捏。 |
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這是現在你去到土地管理管制的手段跟法律驚到了那我們要趕快來告訴你這是一個好的解套的方法可是呢我們現在看到大家都交作業了現在有幾個管制已經把他們的功能分區圖交來中央幾個?14個有幾個沒有交?現在還有8個 |
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第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案 |
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我們當初在立法的時候就說為什麼要二加二加二因為我媽不是不死人間煙火林淑芬、邱文燕各黨各派都有捏我們就是想到了要給中央政府時間準備要給地方政府時間準備在畫社功能分區的時候都還要再給的時間再多一點兩年捏2015年年底通過到現在 |
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中間沒有辦法完成,六年的時間不夠,那你再多三年。當時多三年的時候,提案修正的立委,我們就說要再拖,現在是要把國土計畫法凍結起來,不施行嗎?還給三年,兩年沒夠,要再高年。當時就有立委說不可以再拖,不然等一下洗稿、高年稿要再拖,又要延,果真其然。 |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
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當然現在大概卡在幾個部分啦大概第一個是農地的部分他們對於這個農業因為農民產生疑慮擔心一輩子無法翻身那也代表了說在這個過程當中沒有 |
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農民是要怎麼翻身?區域計畫法就有辦法翻身嗎?區域計畫法一樣嘛,也是要透過都市計畫審議才能夠變更嘛。現在不知道法律意圖法都還新公嗎?農場農地變建地嗎? |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案 |
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議員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。五年通盤檢討。五年通盤檢討之前,我們給你地方政府說,你現在要做工業工,你看到你這個地方未來才幾天要來,未來台灣整形了,我看到五年之後可能產業有需求, |
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五年之後我有這個可能還可以再擴充需要都市計畫的那個城鄉發展區他就可以他就可以把它畫出來畫完以後使用的不夠再繼續畫都可以一計畫引導規劃 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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只用地變更編定案多達771件,較同年3月時的537件暴增了234件。短短五個月,大家都在趕在國土計畫法施行以前,緊趕快個案變更,結果加速了這個農地的破碎,開發區域的散落在各個地方。 |
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事件包括花蓮的七星潭沿線的渡假村,包括大豆山區的溫泉豪宅。所以在新制上路之前,這一些業者都罔顧整個國土計畫就要直接上路,突襲式的開發現象。這樣凸顯了區域計畫法對土地管理的不足。 |
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所以我每延後一天,就多了一天讓農地遭受破壞的風險。特惡農中間放一斤甘蔗,污水排放出來,灌排不分離,給這個特惡農好的生產農地中間放的工廠的灌溉用水來灌溉水源,請地外淨財給大家吃,這是不是南北? |
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21948.712 |
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所以在這裡我們是真的覺得相當遺憾,但是我在講說我們是不是能夠這樣子跟大家參詳,雖然大家都要再演,我也是,也是表決嘛,表述人沒關係,但是我有一個希望,人家按照規定有14個已經報佈審議的,你就讓他先施行, |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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好接下來請林黛樺委員林黛樺委員林黛樺委員不在請馬文君委員馬文君委員馬文君委員不在請劉建國委員主席辛苦了現在主席排這個 |
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22016.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案 |
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有所政策的改變,人民的神經一定是敏感的。」這是基本。第二件事情,我想我從五月底、六月初,甚至於這個中間,一直不斷地在提醒,整個國土計畫在執行的過程裡面,現階段,如果以十幾個縣市報到中央來,還有八個縣市稍微報的情況之下,他們還屬於在縣市的公告範圍裡面,縣市國土計畫公告範圍裡面。 |
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當他們在縣市的國土計畫公告範圍裏面的這個期程我必須要我必須要細究請署長要答覆我還非常清楚藥農業縣來承載糧食安全我想這個這個這個原則基本上 |
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條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具第四十五條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
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然後屏東現在是一萬一但與你的農業產值一年八九百億左右屏東是七百多億我們只多屏東一百多億那為什麼在特農的比例上我們就已經差了十來倍 |
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然後變成國土計畫之後,地方政府的劃設,現在這是地方政府劃設的階段嘛,對不對?好,我們變成增加五千多,達到六萬,全國第一高的龍一面積在雲林縣。屏東反而降下來,從一萬一剩下五千多。所以現在雲林的龍一的被縣市政府公告劃設這個面積,已經高過屏東,高達十二倍之多。 |
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要雲林農民去承載這樣所謂的糧食安全、優良農地的面積站在你的視野從高的方向去看下去對雲林而言是公平嗎?這樣的比喻是正確嗎?再對照彰化彰化可以選出四個立委雲林才選出兩個立委按人口、從農人口、從土地的面積為什麼雲林也大過於彰化?這邏輯是什麼? |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
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這個規劃的依循又是什麼?當然縣市政府如果已經化射上出了嚴重的問題的情況之下再把這樣的一個縣市國土計畫送到中央來你中央該如何去做處置去做處理這是第一件事情時間的關係我請署長要快速的打呼我怎麼處理怎麼應應 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
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謝謝因為的確委員在擔心的這一個部分也是現在在程序上一直被誤解但是其實就像你講的農民都是對自己的土地會有期待簡單來講雖然我的國土計畫也容許項目會比較多但是就會卡在過去的認知它是特農它是農一但是事實上我們國土計畫的農一農二對我們來講 |
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以後的使用項目都是一致的。」這一點其實是很重要。第二個也沒有影響他任何權利。但是今天農民擔心的是說我會不會長久就這樣被限制。那事實上國土計畫比現在的區域計畫還要有彈性。他以後還是可以變更。國土計畫比現在的區域計畫還有彈性嗎?對不對?所以如果被劃出農曆之後就很簡單的請教吧。可不可以新建農舍?可不可以新建石材市? |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
22256.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
22260.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
造成農民恐慌,當國家、當中央你要推這個政策,然後這個政策不是這個樣子,然後地方這種公開的場合或通訊、或通新聞,一而再、再而三變做農業之後,就是有做非常嚴謹的相關限制,甚至於透過圖卡一直在講說農地判死刑,一輩子被冰清,然後再做農奴,你們怎麼回應? |
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22308.938 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
你們有到地方去開嗎?你們有到地方去開說明會嗎?你們有透過第四台的左馬燈去做說明嗎?你們有透過電視節目的裝潢好好去表達這個不是事實不要被這個地方政府用詐欺的行為讓你們的土地價值直直崩落你們有做過嗎?有嗎?你們有第一時間做反應嗎?有嗎? |
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22329.732 |
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22341.516 |
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對,謝謝委員啦,其實在...你們為什麼從6月到現在,今天才...還好張偉有牌,我們才有機會在上次的公聽會跟現在有機會把這事情講清楚,講清楚只有這個頻道夠嗎?他們已經辦了多少場了,每一場都這麼講,連六幫罵紅大。 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
22349.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
22357.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。二、сколько審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
22375.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
22379.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
22401.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
22402.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
22416.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
22431.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
在上市小英總統的任內我們怎麼讓三保一金可以立法完成我們怎麼樣的讓補助補貼有人在講補助補貼會因為政策改變我要請教署長簡單說明一下特別補償特別補償是依據什麼補助補貼又是依據什麼對 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
22434.608 |
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22463.033 |
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因為特別補償其實沒有任何的依據因為特別補償指的是政府剝奪人民的財產那目前全台灣就是只有公社保留地還有文化資產這兩個是適用的但是如果補貼它可以依據農業相關的法規包含農發條例或相關的法規它是在現行的制度底下我增加新的補貼讓你在從事農業更有保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
22491.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
地方政府跟你講說補助補貼會因爲政策的改變。其實跟國土計畫沒有關係。對。補助補貼是不是一樣依照法律的規範去執行嗎?對不對?你特別補償,何嘗不是也依照法律的規範去認定才有辦法去做處理嗎?怎麼會補助補貼就會因爲政策的改變?不會。那特別補償就不會?一樣都是依據法律。是。地方政府,一樣是政府講這樣的話,你們誰第一個時間做回應? |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
22492.501 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
22517.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
你跟我講,針對這部分你們誰第一時間做回應?我們現在相關的新聞都有做回應。相關的新聞做回應,有針對特別的,因為農民接受補助,因為農民接受補貼,現在聽一樣是政府,只不過一個叫中央,一個叫地方,就說你的補助補貼可能會因為政策改變,對,會去取消或怎麼樣,那特別補償,就不會因為政策改變去做相關調整嗎?你們誰針對這一塊去回應?沒有啊。 |
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22535.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
沒有啊!不要說你內政部,文憲部也沒有啊!我們這段時間要接受你農業部多次補助跟補貼,人家說你的營運政策改變,馬上就能改變喔!你先第一時間去做反應,人家說兩天,你現在對著單位有去反應,補助跟補貼不是一樣你發有依據,特別補償不是一樣你發有依據,像這個補營的營運政策改變,就去改變,像這個補營的營運政策改變,就去改變, |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
22550.396 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
22552.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
22574.822 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
22592.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
但是法律沒有啊,法律就是沒有嘛,所以有人到現在不想上,你就不再執行嘛,所以你就存懸這條路而已嘛,在那裡想法律啦,在那裡想法律啦,但是你在那裡馬國土計畫、文憑畫、說農地化私營、說一時變農委員,你不想要懸,你不想要來這個舞台說,也不一定要懸耶。 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
22598.166 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
22598.887 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
主席,對不起,謝謝,感謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
22620.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
22646.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
好,謝謝劉靖國委員接下來請王洪威委員王洪威委員王洪威委員不在好,我們登記發言的委員除不在場者及餘均已發言完畢詢答結束委員丁學忠盧憲一所提的書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報書面質詢和未及答覆部分請相關單位於一週內以書面答覆並複製本會 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
22651.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
22664.544 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
我們接下來處理法案報告委員會現在進行法案審查請宣讀討論事項一所有條文含修正動議附帶決議請一併宣讀宣讀完畢後再進行協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
22672.063 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
22689.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
國土計畫法修正草案第七條委員鄭天財等17人提案。第二項第四款修正為國土保育地區海洋資源地區及第24條第三項但書規定之使用許可許可變更及廢止之審議。增訂第五款五中央主管機關許可造地施工計畫之審議。 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
22691.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
22704.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
徵定第三項第三款三直轄市縣市主管機關許可遭地施工計畫之審議。徵定第四項前二項審議事項涉及原住民族土地部落及部落周邊一定範圍者應有原住民族代表一人其餘同性型條文。 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
22705.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
22724.104 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
第八條委員劉靖國等17人提案增訂第三項直轄市縣市主管機關擬定直轄市縣市國土計畫時應辦理鄉村地區整體規劃並就聚落及其周邊範圍研擬鄉村地區計畫納入直轄市縣市國土計畫原第三四項一列第四五項其餘同性型條文。 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
22746.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
第二十三條委員鄭天財等18人提案。第三項前段修正為前項規則中涉及原住民族土地海域部落及部落周邊已併範為之使用管制者其餘同現行條文。第三十五條委員鄭天財等17人提案。第二項後段之會商相關目的事業主管機關定之修正為會商中央目的事業主管機關定之。 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
22758.835 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
增訂第四項第一項國土富裕促進地區之劃定涉及原住民族土地或部落者應經中央原住民族主管機關同意時得劃定其與同線性條文 |
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| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
22778.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
第四十條委員陳廷飛等提案修正為第四十條指瑕市縣市主管機關對土地違規使用應加強稽查。委員邱毅英等提案修正為第四十條指瑕市縣市主管機關對土地違規使用得透過預算撥補人力或透過衛星航照圖及運用科技空拍機之方式加強稽查。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
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第四十五條委員吳琪銘等提案、委員馬文君等提案、委員林思明等提案、委員徐宇珍等提案、委員呂玉玲等提案、委員陳昌明等提案、委員丁學忠等提案、委員張家俊等提案、委員劉建國等19人提案、委員邱振軍等提案、委員徐信英等提案、委員柯志恩等提案、委員楊瓊英等提案、委員羅廷偉等提案、委員王玉敏等提案、委員張志倫等提案、委員圖全吉等提案、 |
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委員魯明哲等提案將第二項後段之四年內修正為六年內其餘同現行條文。委員蔡玉雲等提案增訂第三項中央主管機關應配合本法修正財政收支劃分法檢討中央統籌分配款依一定比例優先分配於畫設國土保育區、農業發展區限制開發區域之直轄市、縣市及鄉鎮市平衡本法畫設限制開發土地造成直轄市、縣市及鄉鎮市區域整體發展受損以達公平性原則 |
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條文修正草案。」案。四、ympting第四項。前項未完成修法前本法暫緩實施。原第三項一列第五項其餘同現行條文。委員鄭天財等17人提案。第二項修正為直轄市縣市主管機關依予全國國土計畫公告實施後三年內完成直轄市縣市國土計畫之擬定及審議作業依中央主管機關指定之日期並公告實施並於直轄市縣市國土計畫公告實施後五年內依中央主管機關指定之日期並公告其餘同現行條文。 |
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委員王美惠等提案委員林黛嬅等提案委員劉建國等17人提案將第二項後段之四年內修正為八年內其餘同現行條文委員黃建斌等提案第二項後段增訂但其行特殊者得於期限戒制前三個月向中央主管機關申請展言經主管機關核准後展言一次每次展言最長一年且不得超過二次其餘同現行條文修正動議一 |
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第四十五條第二項修正為指轄市縣市主管機關一日全國國土計畫公告實施後三年內依中央主管機關指定之日期公告實施指轄市縣市國土計畫並於指轄市縣市國土計畫公告實施後四年內依中央主管機關指定之日期公告國土功能分區圖及與同縣行條文提案人委員高金素美等三人 |
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修正動議二。第四十五條中央主管機關意欲奔法。第四十五條第二項後段之四年內修正為八年內。增訂第三項直轄市縣市主管機關於一百十三年十二月一日前所提出之國土功能分區圖得於一百十五年五月一日前向中央主管機關提出修正。原第三項一列第四項其餘同 |
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新型條文提案人委員徐欣盈等三人擬具 |
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復旦決議一、原住民族居住臺灣早已超過上千年但相關國土管理法規或建築法規制定之時未能考量部落需求以都市或鄉村的思考進自規劃導致部落連最基本的居住權、土地使用權都被法令限制而無法發展這也導致部落會有90%以上的違建為維護原住民族土地權益本法修正後請內政部於三個月內針對零新住戶的住宅使用權利比照農事 |
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原住民申請興建自用住宅一生一次規定、山地鄉區為單位的辦理鄉村規劃等事項、研議具體可行之改善措施、送內政委員會提案人委員高金素梅等五人。附帶決議二、原住民因國土管理法規 |
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或建築法規制定之時未能考量部落實際需求導致部落連最基本的居住權、土地使用權都被法令限制而無法發展。固於國土計畫法第二十三條第三項授權訂定原住民族土地使用規則來解決原住民土地問題。為緊速改善並維護原住民族土地權益,請內政部議員定期呈會同原民會於一百一十四年五月一日公告施行原住民族土地使用規則。提案人委員皋清素梅等五人。 |
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附帶決議三、為落實原住民族土地轉型正義並維護原住民族土地權益,請內政部與原住民族地區未來鄉村地區整體規劃上每五年定期進行通盤檢討,根據部落族人的實際需求做動態規劃、調整規劃,確保部落用地需求得到滿足。提案人委員高金素美等三人。 |
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23073.817 |
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附帶決議四、依110年公告實施之中,各直轄市縣市國土計畫距今盛久,其內容帶功能分區圖正式實施時,許多已經與現況發展不符,請內政部會商相關主管機關就是否能夠彈性調整符合現況擬具妥適處置方案。二、因為民眾害怕自己的權益受損,對未來土地使用管制限制及法令的疑議,所以許多非都市土地申請案件劇增。 |
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原因是沒有緩衝轉軌機制衍生如福蘭申請及地方人力短缺造成無法核實管制困境。請內政部會商官主管機關嚴謎積極協助地方政府推動相關事宜。三、國土投資是國土計畫推動成敗的基礎。雖然目前國土署有持續更新相關投資, |
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但是對於圖資之主管機關有關圖資之公告程序更新頻率、坐標系與精度之要求仍未統一規範,請內政部會商相關主管機關就圖資相關事項研擬具體方案妥適處置。提案人委員徐欣盈等3人。 |
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附帶決議五為落實國土計畫法強化國土整合管理機制追求國家永續發展之意旨內政部應與國土計畫功能分區圖審議時審慎處理各職轄市縣市之國土功能分區圖草案落實全國一致之劃設標準妥善解決各職轄市縣市國土功能分區圖草案劃設之差異提案人委員蘇巧慧等三人 |
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附帶決議六為導正區域計畫法下非都市土地使用邊定與實際土地利用情形不符之現象。內政部應督導各執轄市縣市政府與區域計畫法停止適用且完整盤點全國非都市土地使用邊定與實際土地利用情形不符之狀況並妥善處理之。提案人委員蘇巧慧等三人。宣讀完畢。 |
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我們現在進行協商我們現在進行協商首先我們就第七條這個國土計畫法第七條的部分請問各位委員有沒有意見 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。三、 INTERVIEWER審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案〉案 |
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這是國土署的意見接著原民會有沒有要表達第七條有關於要修正部落及周邊一定範圍內的公有土地的部分我想原計法第二條就已經有明示什麼叫原住民族土地裡面已經包含了保留地跟傳統靈異土地 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案〉案。四、сколько審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案〉案。 |
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依據行政單位兩位的意見,我們就第七條就維持現行條文,就這樣,不以修正。不過剛剛好像最後一段拿掉,然後原民會的意思是維持原條文嗎?二、三項還是要維修? |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。四、Judge審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。四、Judge審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、Judge審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、Judge審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案案。五、Judge審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案案。五、Judge審查委員馬文君等 |
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提案委員吳琪銘等16人擬具、「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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文字上已經都有了。你們什麼上?我們的執法的機制都已經有留了。機制上。現在鄭天財委員已經到了,麻煩你再回應一下。你們可能再回應一次,讓政委員瞭解。就是有關政委員所提的這個 |
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第七條的那我們大概就是針對最後一項就是說這涉及審議事項涉及原住民土地部落及部落周邊一定範圍者因為有原住民代表議員所以要跟委員報告我們在相關的執法的審議的辦法裡面都已經有把這一個部分納進去了而且不是只有在這個條文 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。二、 INTERVIEWER審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。三、 INTERVIEWER審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案〉案。 |
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應該是這麼說啦因為我剛聽你講你的執法這個彈性比較寬如果你把它定成這樣就是一點彈性都沒有啦對因為到時候很可能依母法部落周圍那一個事項到搞不好會比執法寫的還嚴格那我們執法寫的比較有彈性所以看是不是才建議說母法不用再重複再寫而且反而到時候會不會兩個說法不一致 |
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審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
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因為這個條文的內容我們有意見的部分是針對那個周邊一定範圍的這個範圍他所加的這些文字但至於剛剛所提到說是不是要原住民代表這個當然是那個國土署他們已經有執法的部分事實上我們是尊重啦是這樣子所以他那個範圍的部分我們本身如果這個法這個條文有在的話那文字是不需要用到原住民族部落一定範圍那是公有土地我們是這個意見 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
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如果說是人民會裡面提的版本是認為這樣,我認為就合理啊。那我們就按照鄭天財委員版本通過有什麼問題嗎?你現在的說法跟國土署署長的說法不一樣了。這個條文我們的言議是說這個條文當然存在是對原住民是有利的。那我們認為是說那那個周邊一定範圍內是公共土地這個不需要去加這段文字。 |
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國土計畫法第12條條文修正草案 |
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本會審議第二點各款事項得由委員組成專案小組必要的時候 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案．立法院第11� |
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本來就是在整個 |
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審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案．審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案．審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
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所以增加部落及部落周邊一定範圍者有影響很大嗎?還是可以照鄭天財委員的版本? |
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現在就是部落周邊啦,這個文字,那個杜章處長,抱歉,那個副主委。當然禁忌法裡面是有規定,可是實際實務上我們在做的就是祝民族土地,它其實都在裡面啦,我的意思是說不需要再把那個加進去。所以如果再加部落跟部落周邊也沒有影響嘛,對不對?因為它沒有非常的明確啦,它的介質啊,它的那個一定範圍這個我們覺得它不太明確啦。 |
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請張宏祿找委我覺得啦他們兩個部會齁這樣講我們齁我相信說很多委員都聽不清楚啦齁而且我必須要說啦部落周邊一定犯違則這個也沒有寫得很清楚啦這個我怕反而我擔心到時候原住民部落他本來可以不用那麼麻煩去處理的 |
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結果呢?一定範圍,如果方圓要多少也沒有寫,到時候會增加困難度我建議讓他們兩個去溝通好我們先保留,我們先處理下面再回來這裡,不然你會浪費這個時間兩個單位溝通順便也跟我們原名的委員溝通好鄭天財委員溝通好接著 |
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我們接著進入第八條,劉建國委員的提案。第八條,請問在場,劉建國委員到了。是不是請劉委員表達。 |
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謝謝主席我們是不是先請署長針對相規的部分做一個說明然後因為我是期待可以把相規入法 |
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那當然有特別提到所謂的因跟得啦齁那如果相歸對於一個整個國土計畫來講它是一個非常基礎的一個畫色的一個原則的情況之下那我覺得就是應該是因也許對於農村發展區的地方而言是一個必備的條件那就應該是因嘛齁那如果得那有的有做有的沒有做那不是很奇怪那有的又是縣市政府直接補助那有的又是你內政部、國土署在補助 |
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所以既然有補助,那怎麼會用德?這不是很衝突跟矛盾嗎?請署長做說明,謝謝。好,請署長說明。好,要接著簡單來說我們當然希望鄉民第一整理規劃入法是因為它這樣第一個讓縣市政府 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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原理以後直接納入國土計畫這個部分我們贊成那至於為什麼是建議應改為德那是因為有些縣市其實大多數都已經是都市計畫地區了他應該沒有什麼在花鄉地區的必要啦所以是這一個意思所以德其實是針對這一些幾乎都完全是都市計畫區或絕大多數都已經是都市計畫區的他就沒有這個必要性了他應變成他不管怎麼樣他都得做 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案 |
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林委員可以嗎?因為要兼顧這整個法還...我們秀在螢幕上,把您的這個修正內容原則上都照您的只有那個德改成...因改成德,可以嗎?可以讓我們這一條就通過?林委員當然不能去稱呼到他根本不需要做相關的地方嘛齁 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條 |
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我覺得是這樣子啊因為我們現在是非常上位的一個法律嘛那所以我們在這裡的話是不是如果有機會我們是把它寫成德但是剛剛署長您的說明等於是我們有一套標準什麼地方是應該做的什麼地方是依了某一個標準然後所以是不用做的嘛那那個標準是屬於執法嗎還是是什麼標準啊還是什麼也許是寫在這個說明的部分讓未來在使用這一條條文的時候大家一望就知道就是說在這個範圍下面然後接下來你就要被分類了嘛 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．審查委員 |
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一種是我建議改成德但是會是不是在立法說明案裡面把這些案例狀況特別講清楚那這樣是不是就比較明確像哪一些他是可以不用來申請但除這類的其實就是因嘛這樣子之類的這樣大家就清楚是什麼這樣因為你在這邊定了因確實會有造成這樣的後果啦 |
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那我們是不是請相關單位趕快去研議,然後去徵詢提案人的同意,然後我們回過頭再來看,大家覺得OK我們再給他通過,好嗎?好,另外一個是也跟劉委員商量一下,就是說您提的是舊聚落及周邊範圍。 |
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我們大概也考慮到一個特殊狀況有一些地方它是鄉村鄉規裡面除了這個聚落範圍它有些可能是為了產業的需要它也要去增訂那所以是不是給我們再加一個叫做四十計需要那這樣的話會刪掉就聚落跟周邊發展但是直接加四十計需要那這樣其實比較有彈性因為我們知道地方也有想要申請這一類尤其是像觀光類的他們就會有這樣的一個需求 |
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法定人數不足 |
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要有法律效應的其實本席也非常認同因為我們應該的他就是得做好接著我們進入第23條23條提案人鄭天財委員我看好像也是跟部落還是一樣部落及部落周邊一定範圍你們是不是也去討論之後跟鄭天財委員做溝通好嗎可以嗎 |
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第二十三條條文修正草案案。第二十三條條文修正草案案。第三十五條也是鄭天財委員。第三十五條有沒有要回應的?也是一樣的。不一樣。鄭委員有沒有要表達?直接請行政單位。 |
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請問那位有沒有要回應的?針對提案人鄭天財委員的這個修正還是前面那個所謂部落一定範圍的那個部分 |
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但是這裡面我們可能要比較希望委員能夠接受就是說這個要請中央主管機關就是原民會來同意這件事情其實在整個的你看這個這一條他是部落去參與你一定計畫所以部落他的同意是比較重要而且原計法二十一條主要是部落的集體權我覺得這個如果要同意的話是應該以部落為主不應該是回到原民會三十五條 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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三十六條之名如涉及原住民族土地劃定機關應邀請原住民部落參與計畫之擬定執行與管理。三十六條是另外一個層次了你先有三十五條才有三十六條所以這個三十五條你要先給你們給園民會通常園民會也不會很堅持不是嗎?人力政部可以接受吧? |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。二、сколько審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。二、сколько審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。二、сколько審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案案〉案。 |
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國土富裕促進地區劃定,涉及原住民族土地或部落時,現在有需要經過哪一些中央主管機關會商相關目的事業主管機關定制嗎? |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第16屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第16屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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對阿因為如果是按照現在這樣的狀況的話其實這條確實是只要我們在國土富裕促進區的話其實就是要有中央機關進入嘛那本來是中央的主管機關也就是你們嘛內政部這邊嘛然後還有相關的目的企業嘛現在已經兩個了嘛經濟部農業部阿現在涉及原住民族土地的再加一個原民會也蠻合理的阿 |
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所以中央也認同所以我們第三十五條我們就沒有疑慮我們直接修正通過你們要確定齁有沒有什麼沒有看到的對喔看起來你們之前可能還沒有機會跨部會溝通過 |
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好,那我們就直接照鄭天財委員的提案通過了那請張宏祿走如果大家要這樣通過那我會覺得說啦這個第幾項上面還有一個由中央主管機關匯商中央目的事業主管機關定資有需要再加中央嗎?因為這個最後面已經有因經中央援助民主主管機關同意時的劃定 |
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那個就不需要啦,就要拿掉啦。對啊,那個中央就應該拿掉,立法才會比較完整。好,謝謝張昭偉。是不是,那我們再次確認,行政單位我們把那個中央兩個字就拿掉。對。 |
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在第二項的中央目的事業主管機關定之。行政單位 |
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我看有點問題請各位看一下36條36條就是原住民族的這個機關或是原住民的部落他應該是在劃定的過程當中參與計畫的擬定執行跟管理 |
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但是如果你再回歸到原來三十五條的時候有一項就是國土富裕機關除了中央主管機關協調其他相關比如說可能是經濟部、農業部特別主管像流域、土石流或者是環境部等等這些協調不成的時候報行政院定之 |
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第二十三條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案 |
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中央的主管機關是一個同意的角色我建議三十五條跟三十六條要把它中間的程序先釐清清楚之後我們是不反對啦釐清清楚才會譴責用字上面不會出現未來執行上面的困擾我來說明我來說明一下部長 |
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中央兩個字不是三十五條的最後一項的中央兩個字是三十五條的第二項是三十五條的第二項的中央兩個字就維持原條文是這樣那第三十六條啊第三十六條是國土富裕促進地區已經劃定已經劃定之後的 |
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相關的這些相關的計畫所以這兩個是不同的所以前面是要先確定國土富裕促進地區的劃定 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案〉案。三、 INTERVIEWER審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案〉案。 |
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原來第二項的中央兩個字張宏祿、趙偉提到的中央第二項的兩個字可以拿掉。那就針對這個三十五條的最後一項以上。 |
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報告召委其實剛剛部長擔心的那個其實是兩個不同的層次啦鄭天財委員剛剛說明了蠻清楚的35條我們要畫的時候是人民會一定要加入但是畫完了之後要去執行的時候是部落 |
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條文修正草案案案案。三、 INTERVIEWER審查委員馬文君等16人擬具 |
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三十六條是集體權。三十五條是規範中央。所以你中央都沒有,文明會都沒有設立的時候,你要完全交給部落去的時候,這也是會有問題啊。 |
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所以你中央委員會你就必須在三十五條裡面先跟中央的其他目的事業主管機關一起來合意討論這些事情,劃定這些事情嘛。到了三十六條才會由部落裡面去計畫執行嘛。這樣子沒有漢格的地方啊。講得很清楚,三五、三六是這樣的權責區分的。好嗎?以上,謝謝。好,接著請舒巧慧委員。 |
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條文修正草案案。四、 INTERVIEWER審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。五、 INTERVIEWER審查委員馬文君等16人擬具 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案 |
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我簡單講一下因為這個講的是在這個國土富裕地區的劃定所以我們前面講的是第一個是條件第二個是他劃定的這個辦法去會當定資所以這個部分我是建議就是說他應該是說 |
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他應該是加入會商的一個角色但是如果說我們這些前面這些寫了然後行政院都決定了結果後面就加一個要經過他同意才可以那就有一點反過來他還可以來來來來否定了這樣其實程序上是蠻奇怪的我知道你說的意思齁那我先請問齁 |
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你國土署跟園民會對於這個這樣子入法你們是都同意還是什麼我說明一下好了其實整個過程當中我知道你剛剛的那個順序我知道啦是我說把這個入法這樣子你們都同意嗎你們都認為是是對的嗎因為其實本來就是 |
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是中央機關協調有關機關來決定本來就有機會找他現在變成獨立一條我剛剛是擔心他又是放在最後不是啦對啦我知道啦我只問你們說你們把這個入法這樣你們都認為合理嗎都同意嗎這個我可不可以插話一下這個在前兩項 |
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國土富裕促進地區的劃定公告及廢止之辦法由中央主管機關會商中央目的事業主管機關訂定。」他就已經包含進去了。在這裡你再加了這個東西,不但是跌床駕屋,第一個。第二個,他把原民會的位階 |
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已經是拉到比目的事業主管機關還要高了。整部法律的目的事業主管機關是內政部。結果你讓委員會還要凌駕在內政部上面。這個我跟你講這個地方談的是國土富裕地區不是國土計畫法。國土富裕地區顯然它是已經相當的相當程度的這個環境的衝擊破壞已經產生在那裡了。 |
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所以要劃定進去的時候理所當然要會商中央的其他相關機關是沒有問題的可是你不能說要原名會準的才可以劃定啊 |
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對啦,所以我知道我現在就是要處理這個問題嘛。你們認為這個放進去,如果你...好我就直接...不是啦,我跟你講,如果你們都認為這樣子是合理的話,我覺得啦,這個最後一項啊,應該齁,不用寫那麼多,要把它放到前... |
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放到第三項就是主管機關協調有關機關決定然後逗點然後呢涉及原住民族土地或部落者因或需我們可以討論經中央原住民族主管機關同意然後呢若協調不成報請行政院決定之 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案 案。 |
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土地和部落裡面居多啦,百分之九十啦,你這樣子放上去你百分之九十的所有富裕地區的畫色都要經過原民會同意,原民會跑到你內政部上面啦。這個沒有在上面還是在下面? |
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審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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原住民主基本法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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條文文字叫什麼是當然那你這樣子不是國中有國你是你的國管理到我們的國國中有國是陳水扁講的今天你是你的國掛到我們上面來了一個國家一國兩制一個台灣中華民國要變成一國兩制了我來說從第一項到第二項各位委員 |
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第二項由中央主管機關現行的條文由中央主管機關會商相關目的事業主管機關他沒有講中央相關目的事業他只要內政部去會商的地方的地方政府 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第二十三條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具 |
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你確定他們可以嗎?多少我們像我們在環評花蓮縣政府直接違法亂記也算通過?花蓮縣政府都送來了!花蓮縣政府都送來了!花蓮縣政府都送來了!花蓮縣政府回憶回憶 |
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花蓮加入臺東縣政府,在美麗灣BOT裡面連環境法規都不願意遵守,違法亂紀,違法行政,到最後還被撤銷環評。地方政府同意更慘。 |
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條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 «國土計畫法第二十三條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 «國土計畫法第二十三條條文審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
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條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案 |
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這個有關機關會包括原來在我們這一項裡面所說的目的事業主管機關所謂的目的事業主管機關可能包括農業部可能包括經濟部可能包括交通部等等這些都是跟自然保育相關的相關部會那這些呢他們要提出來這個是不是嚴重的部分的話他必須要有一定的科技科學的這個數據才可以所以我們可不可以把由中央主管機關協調有關機關然後後面的鬥點 |
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包括原住民的主管機關來決定,如果協調不成,報行政院來決定之。」那這樣的好處就是說,這樣子的部分呢,就是變成說每個部會在決定這個地方是不是要列入國土富裕促進地區的話呢,各個權責單位都要分攤同樣的權責,就不會有說誰在前誰在後。 |
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那行政院有沒有被那個中央的這個原住民主管機關把他拉為是第二級的決定機關用類似這樣的文字來顯現是不是會比較好一點? |
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文亮你們直接寫一下啦,看怎麼寫,讓大家看一下好不好。我再說明一個簡單的概念。我看是不是就,你們就去寫一寫。我只說明一個簡單的概念給委員了解。就是說,我們第一項有六個,有六款,是指劃定地區,劃定地區。 |
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接下來的所謂的前項這一些第二個講的是辦法第三個講的是劃定機關政委員要求的是劃定地區所以他應該是在第一項的變成是七 |
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第七款或是多增訂一項說明而已是會商原住民。 |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第 |
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具體化之後再來說明溝通好嗎?我個人會認為你要嘛你就直接拿兩版出來因為你剛剛講的是要專家成為第一項的第七款那我個人呢現在是跟紅綠委員應該是比較接近一點我們是認為是在第二項的部分因為 |
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他前面這樣講你剛剛講嘛有六種情況我們有機會要把它劃成國土富裕促進地區嘛有六種情況這個是地貿環境地理環境的狀態嘛這跟是不是原住民保留區其實沒有什麼關係是他的地理狀況你看山崩啊地滑啊地層下陷嘛這是地理狀況 |
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有這些狀況的地方我們要把它列為國土富裕區那我們就會發現說那如果這一類的地區它同時是原住民的保留區的時候那怎麼辦呢那其實是過去我們沒有寫但是今天我們把它特別為尊重原住民的狀況我們把它列在第二項裡面看文字怎麼修就等同於讓原民會也進來是成為會商的機關之一嘛其實就是這樣而已啊 |
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所以應該是在第二項裡面說我們在說中央主管機關要匯商相關目的事業主管機關的後面若涉及原住民族土地或部落者應請原住民族人民會進來匯商應匯商人民會之類的嘛應該是類似像這樣然後第三項不動因為最後最後的裁決還是行政院嘛所以我是建議你這個版本至少要有這樣的東西啦 |
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文修正草案案。四十條請問各位在座的委員有沒有什麼意見要表達的? |
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條文修正草案。 |
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提撥一定比例公民眾捷運獎金這一個部分其實我們會覺得以現在幾個一些重大的違規事件包含嚴重破壞土地對土地造成污染無法恢復或是大肆改變地貌造成這個土地無法再度利用的這些其實重大的這一個違規還是應該要 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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如果沒有意見的話那我們就不予修正。我們第四十條就不予修正。雖然是不予修正可是我個人覺得啦你們這個什麼檢舉獎金啊什麼的啊其實這個在地方上很多人 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條 |
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是一概沒有啦所以我們講的是重大性的重大性的比如說大面積的青稻廢棄土或是青稻有機這個這個我們在執法裡面都有去訂定出來就很確實把它區隔開來跟現行的規定是是有所區隔的你們執法都有訂嗎?因為你們立法說明也沒看到啦所以執法有齁對有確定喔沒錯我們這執法裡面就已經我們10月31號已經發布了 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[849].text |
文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[850].text |
條文修正草案案。四、 INTERVIEWER審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。三、 INTERVIEWER審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。三、 INTERVIEWER審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案案。三、 INTERVIEWER審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案案。三、 INTERVIEWER審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條條文修正草案案。三、 INTERVIEWER審查委員 |
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表達。好。那我們就請行政單位針對第四十五條表達。 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。四年或六年都有不同委員的版本,但是我們希望就是說 |
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那個幾年之後依中央主管機關指定的日期移病公告那個移病就拿掉因為他已經公告實施之後大家都會有不同的年限 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].start |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].start |
26090.7 |
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徐宇貞委員林淑芬委員黃潔委員有關第四十五條到底要展演多久?有二十幾個版本表示大家一致的目標就是要展演 |
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| transcript.whisperx[857].text |
國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].start |
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從剛才高金委員的這個發言裡面我是想要再幫這個國土計畫法講幾句話雖然當初是我跟邱文彥委員所立的法律就是說我們當初在立這個法的時候的確我們就思考到很多合理的使用但是沒有辦法合法沒有辦法申請合法所以在特別是在很多原住民地 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第 |
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所以他給地方政府很多因地制宜的這個彈性所以大家要再延幾年其實我個人是最好是認為不要延因為我剛剛講了當初立法我們就思考過需要給地方政府空間和彈性六年又延了三年就九年九年你再加兩年就十一年如果在六年有的案提案提六年 |
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| transcript.whisperx[861].text |
條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].start |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。我剛剛講阿里山鄉他們就說地方政府如果你地方有特別的需要你可以自行訂制自己的管制規則比如說阿里山有一個阿里山民宿雲林有一個雲林寺廟特區等等這個就是一個彈性啊那在這種狀況裡面我們真的是希望知識提大那我也一併的支持這個高金立委所說的 |
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因為事實上全國的二十二個縣市已經有十四個已經報到中央來審議人家已經劃設好了沒有必要說全部二十二個都上來我們才要施行國土計畫法也沒有必要這樣子讓那些不願意繳功課不願意做功課的繼續讓他拖吧然後我們已經上路的我們就先走我們就先施行 |
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26279.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].text |
文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].start |
26293.433 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].end |
26293.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].text |
條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條 |
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| transcript.whisperx[866].text |
條文修正草案案案件。 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[867].text |
條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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那是不是真的就是大家都已經繳了多數的縣市也都乖乖的真的做功課了是不是就讓他們先如期上路所以如果有機會讓他分批實施的話我也非常認同就是大家都願意來做了那剩下三個縣市不願意上路的那也必須要自己來承擔這個沒有如期上路的後果啦 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案〉案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].start |
26399.938 |
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| transcript.whisperx[870].text |
國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].start |
26422.595 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案 |
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請您許庭委員我們國土署非常務實直接說建議乾脆保留這也不是在現在這個狀況下也不是一個辦法原因就是因為今天大部分人在討論的時候其實都還是配套還有另外一個就是地方的民意壓力我是覺得要解決這個問題當然就是不厭其煩的說明 |
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真理愈變愈明,把話講清楚缺乏政策的地方就把相關的政策拿出來比如說農業縣市的一些補償也好或者是趕快把執法的部分像我們有些人會質疑說執法的部分會不會造成地方政府的很多的新增的業務負擔這些東西其實都是在我們徵詢地方政府跟地方民意意見的時候常遇到一些狀況我們立法院特別的地方就是有黨團協商的機制這個東西今天如果交付黨團協商有一個月的所謂的冷凍期那是不是請了內政部跟相關的部會在這一個月裡面 |
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再次的趕快的去收集意見因為這個已經不是哪一個政黨交不交作業的問題了是不同黨派的立法委員其實大家似乎難得的在好像需要多一點時間方面有高度的共識那如果內政部希望如期的來執行這個利益良善的一個政策那是不是就在這個冷凍期之內把相關的一些說明把它做得清楚能夠把這些東西有更明確的時候在協商的時候大家才會比較有一個判斷的基礎 |
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所以就希望這個行政院這個地方執政黨這個地方趕快提出相關的配套方案以上好那本席想請問各位我們第45條我們保留送黨團協商有沒有意見是不是 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[877].text |
審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．審查委員 |
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26600.45 |
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| transcript.whisperx[878].text |
文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．審查委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].start |
26622.815 |
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26623.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].text |
條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].start |
26642.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].end |
26656.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].text |
我簡單說明一下先用第一整理規劃因為我們大概從108年開始有第一個示範案以後我們陸陸續續每年都有在辦到目前最起碼也有一件超過37案已經進行規劃 |
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每年都有高達十幾到二十幾個鄉鎮都有加入所以其實這對縣市政府來講都是一個很直接的規劃權的落實會比起過去區域計畫時代好很多不過也是因為這樣所以鄉鎮地域整理規劃它至少大概如果要有初步的成果大概要有兩年左右再加上還要進入審議程序三年以上是跑不掉 |
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那所以這個部分當然目前就是因為已經有三十幾個他已經進入了他已經有了甚至已經有成果他們當然會急著想要進去當然也有更多他們想提出申請的其實後面應該要給他一些時間那我們本來的並不是說全部要做好國土計畫才能發佈而是你國土計畫發佈以後後續你還可以繼續提出申請然後繼續因為他放到下一次的同盤檢討他就可以一併 |
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再加入下次的通版檢討一併再發布。」所以他不會是因為我一定要全部都做了我才能國土計畫法發布。我覺得這樣這一點的觀念是要,但是的確要三年以上的時間才能夠有一個完整的相關地域整理規劃,那是必然的。主席我補充一點的。 |
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就剛才特別提到說擴調全都擴調歸都要走的全都的情況之下那全國還有幾個幾個鄉鎮沒有做因為剛才書長講的是有三十幾個鄉鎮已經在進行中嘛那你還有多少比例嗎如果高達是將近七成那坦白講這樣的相歸做不到三成的情況之下整個國土計畫我想那個精神會當然無存 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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不需要?還是需要?因為我們補助他是每年都在補助所以有的成果來得及有的成果來不及那其實我們就是按照順序這一批你可以就進到這一次的那有的比較慢的那你就進到下一次的他還是用這樣的概念就好像以前的都市計畫也是大家陸陸續續花了三十幾年才全部訂完的概念是一樣的那我們也是分批分批進去啦是這樣的一個意思 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文就保留送黨團協商。剛才我們有討論過的有需要協調的還有文件修正的。 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條 |
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議員已經回應等於都可以照案通過。那有兩項需要協調的也請行政單位跟提案的委員能夠去做協調跟說明。所以我們現在休息五分鐘。 |
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文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬 |
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文修正草案 案。四、сколько審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案 案。五、сколько審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案 案。五、сколько審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案 案。五、сколько審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案 案。五、сколько審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五 |
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文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬 |
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文修正草案案。四、cellence審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。三、cellence審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。四、cellence審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。三、cellence審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。四、cellence審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案。五、cellence審查委員吳� |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第3會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文 |
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文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文 |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委 |
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文修正草案案。四、сколько審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、сколько審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。四、지막審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。五、지막審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案案。五、지막審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案案。五、지막審查委員 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條 |
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文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案． |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條 |
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議員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案案。四、ympting審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。三、ympting審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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法定人數不足 |
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文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員鄭天財Sra |
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文修正草案案案件。四、ympting審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案件。三、ympting審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案件。四、ympting審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案件。三、ympting審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案件。四、ympting審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文 |
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第八條必須要配合第四條先修正文記。第四條沒有。所以你不接受就改成 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條 |
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文修正草案．第四十五條條文修正草案．第四十五條條文修正草案．第四十五條條文修正草案．第四十五條條文修正草案．第四十五條條文修正草案．第四十五條條文修正草案．第四十五條條文修正草案．第四十五條條文 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期內政委員吳琪銘 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案．審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條 |
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| transcript.whisperx[918].text |
是會長定制的那一條嗎?是會長定制的那一條 |
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| transcript.whisperx[919].text |
文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文 |
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文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條 |
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就目前螢幕秀出來的請問鄭天財委員您的意見好那所以我們第七條我們就修正通過還是第七條現在等一下第七條的還有第三項第四項 |
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文修正草案案。 |
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所以我們第七條國土計畫法第七條修正通過接著我們第八條是保留那個劉建國委員的我們保留然後接著第23條請秀出協商的結果23條請往下 |
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前項規則中涉及原住民族土地及部落。第二十三條就照內政部的意見修正通過。接著第三十五條 |
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涉及原住民族土地或部落者應經中央原住民族主管機關同意。」是修改三十五條第一項。第一項。只有這邊嗎?後面還有沒有?沒有了吼。那針對第一項。 |
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內政部的文字鄭委員。所以我們第35條也是照內政部的文字修正通過。是在第一階段納進去,不是讓他在後面納進去。後面還是要經過行政院同意。對,條文裡有。 |
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第四十條不予修正維持現行條文。第四十五條保留送黨團協商。 |
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今天有附帶決議六項,均照案通過。 |
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文修正草案案。 |
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條文修正草案通過。請問各位委員按照剛才的協商結論通過,請問有無異議? |
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無異議通過。」那本次會議審查通過之條文相關法制用與授權主席及議事人員整理。那請內政部就本次修正條文如需於立法說明補充文字說明請盡速送至內政委員會列入審查報告。好,我們作出以下決議。討論事項國土計畫法 |
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國土計畫法等二十七案以併案審查頑俊,擬具審查報告提報院會討論。請問在場委員,我們就經黨團協商,本案與院會討論時有本席做補充說明。 |
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本次會議到此結束,現在散會。 |
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文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第2會期內政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第 |
| IVOD_ID |
16296 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16296 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-21 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-21T08:30:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-21T16:17:00+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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