| IVOD_ID |
162950 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162950 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第28次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
28 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第28次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-30T09:58:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-30T10:06:08+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f0b047677e7ec786991072f12174d2ea5ae3a86deb72054c9d613b3b430d254b558e52f1102efb015ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許宇甄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:58:16 - 10:06:08 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第28次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查行政院函請審議「平埔原住民族群身分法草案」。二、審查委員林宜瑾等22人擬具「平埔原住民族群身分法草案」案。三、審查委員賴惠員等21人擬具「平埔原住民族群身分法草案」案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具「平埔原住民族群身分法草案」案。【僅詢答及宣讀提案條文；第四案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】） |
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謝謝主席 我們請那個曾主委已經曾主委辛苦了 到備訓台了主委早 委員好主委 剛剛這個帳錄那個委員在問您的時候 您說平埔族有十個族群 請問是哪十個譬如說希拉雅啦 還有喀哈烏啦 巴塞啦還有道卡斯啦 大五龍喔還有巴布拉 還有馬卡道族還有這個巴布薩 還有凱達格蘭至少這九個 |
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對嗎?你剛講10個還有一個紅咬,紅咬張畫的紅咬好,我們看一下這平埔族,因為我大概有做了一個表格不過我這邊是做了9個啦所以這邊的話,您看是哪一個族我們還沒放進去他哪一個沒有放進去?所以我想其實剛剛蛤?嘎哈烏沒有放進去 |
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就是少一個嘛對不對所以其實也是剛剛張宏魯委員特別講到事實上是不是有真的這十個而已還是還會有更多所以其實我們大概要討論的就是說平埔族現在到底他有多少族群他有多少的人口這可能都是我們要討論的重點那我們可以看到現在院版有一個這個平埔族平埔原住民族群的身份法的一個草案嘛 |
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那我们可以看到这其实依据宪判自第17号的判决主文清楚的指出其实原住民主其他的台湾原住民族 |
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及憲法增修條件第十條第十一項跟第十二項前段有規定保障的原住民族國家應該要維護他的語言跟文化那就這樣來看我們可以看到貴會的報告其實你引用的是黃大法官等協同意見書的說法認為現行法律對原住民族的各項優惠的事項與取得平埔原住民族的時候並非當然適用而另以法律定定之 |
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那所以主委您的意思是這樣的立法是不是已經預設說平埔族沒有辦法跟現有的原住民族享有同等的權益我跟委員報告現在的三眼平眼當然他們有目前在硬做的一個權益但是平埔原住民的族人一直以為就是說他現在一進來馬上就適用這個三眼跟平眼其實他們 |
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自己平埔原住民所遭遇到的一些多年來的所遭遇到他們所損失的有時候是延延超過三延跟平延當然他們就不一定要完全適用現在的原住民所以你的意思是要比現在原住民更多的資源跟更多的保障跟更多的權益嗎如果照你剛剛這段話的說法 |
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過去他們欠缺 尤其是他們的語言文化的流失是特別的嚴重當然我們就要用比較特別不是適用於現在的這個原住民基本法更要用另外的專法讓他們就是說讓他們的潛力更能夠更好 更周圍這樣子好 那請問一下主委我們現在平埔族到底是多少人口內政部的統計內政部的統計就是說大概是會有98萬的人口 |
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這也是你5月22在這個備詢的時候提到的平埔族有98萬人那我們現在的原住民大概是61萬人那你剛剛提到的聽起來好像是平埔族的權益資源應該要更多因為他們過去犧牲太多那這樣的話我們以原住民現有的這個今年的年度預算是122億元 |
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是61萬人那如果你在把評估98萬人都納入的話請問一下主委你有沒有初步預算每年需要新增多少預算才不會造成族群間的資源排擠好 更為報告我們講98萬不是不是今年年底一下子就98萬一定登記的時候不可能一下子就98萬好 那如果登記了一半我們都會有我們都會現在我們正在盤整就是說我們假設到今年年底10萬人來登記 |
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當然明年的預算當然就是必須那如果你預期10萬人那如果一次來了50萬人那你的預算要怎麼辦我跟委員報告這個預算當然我們要跟醫院裡面來做報告行政院來做報告當然國家的資源就必須要更多來預租來照顧那你這樣會不會排擠到其他部會的預算 |
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這個我想預算的部分原民會的預算就那麼多不可能說平埔原住民的這個主人進來我們的預算還是那麼多這樣的話所以今天我們大家其實比較質疑的就是說好現在我們平埔主要正名可是你原有的原民的預算就這麼多那你們要怎麼去爭取多一些的預算進來而且你就像剛剛講的大家來登記到底會不會登記其實不是你能夠預測的 |
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萬一一次我就跟你講萬一98萬人你們的宣導太好了因為福利更好所以可能一半的人就來登記那你的預算可能就要跟現在一樣多那理論上是不可能嘛因為你就會排擠到其他預算所以我覺得這個應該你們都要先設想不是說現在這個法丟出來之後我們就先讓他法案過然後之後再來慢慢想這些問題應該要超前部署應該要先了解啦 |
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可以嗎主委我們已經在盤點齁大概譬如說我們如果是年底十萬人進來十萬人來登記平埔園住民族那我們的這個好那主委你一直講十萬人我是不曉得這個依據怎麼來啦那如果變二十萬勒 |
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所以我的意思就是說你一定要有一個依據嘛你只講十萬一定有你的依據但那個依據要讓大家知道你的推估是不是可行的還是推估是不是正確的然後還有就是再來就是好剛剛講的資源之外還有一個就是屬於政治的權利就是我們現在這個憲法增修條件第四條就是平原跟山原各三人的立委保障 |
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好 如果未來平埔族也取得了原住民族的身份那到底他的部分要歸入平地原住民呢還是山地原住民還是應該要修憲給予平埔族獨立的保障席次呢目前你們有沒有什麼規劃各位報告齁 |
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這個有三顏平顏的席次這是憲法規定的那將來平埔原住民族他們說他們也要有一個平埔原住民族的地位一定嘛 因為你剛剛講的98萬人比60萬人還多這個修憲 考量到修憲的現實就是修憲沒有那麼容易啦那所以呢所以你現在把平埔族證明完之後然後告訴他我們沒錢也沒人那這個修憲更困難那你平埔族證明的意義是什麼 |
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我們能做的先做 譬如說以語言先救 文化先救那你一下子要修憲沒有辦法現在爭取平埔族全英的這些人他們只希望的就是文化先做嗎 相關的先做嗎他們想要爭取的是這樣嗎其他的我們三年內會修法來做 |
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因為我們不可能一次全部都到位我想要提醒你的是我覺得不管你想要當然我們都知道不可能一步到位但是我覺得你們原民會還是要有充分的一個準備也就是說相關可能遇到像我剛講的說政治權利生活權利還有身份認定跟財務的負擔其實都是你們必須要整體考量的否則的話你貿然推動下去然後過了這個法之後後續的應該要怎麼來去處理其實 |
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聽起來原民會應該都還沒有一個還沒有一個完整的一個配套所以還是希望原民會這邊要有這樣子完整的配套再來談這個平補署我們這個草案的通過好嗎好謝謝謝謝 |