| IVOD_ID |
162948 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162948 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第28次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
28 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第28次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-30T09:42:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-30T09:49:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f0b047677e7ec7861b2f69ed0c7ebdf55ae3a86deb72054c9d613b3b430d254bceda4b77bfb303745ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李柏毅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:42:13 - 09:49:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第28次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查行政院函請審議「平埔原住民族群身分法草案」。二、審查委員林宜瑾等22人擬具「平埔原住民族群身分法草案」案。三、審查委員賴惠員等21人擬具「平埔原住民族群身分法草案」案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具「平埔原住民族群身分法草案」案。【僅詢答及宣讀提案條文；第四案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】） |
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請曾主委曾主委有請委員好上個會期通過這個原住民組織法裡面很遺憾就是包含這個也把三原跟平原的主委要輪流擔任入法那也很遺憾我們所有的各族 |
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各族的委員也因為待遇的問題全部辭光了這兩個遺憾這兩個遺憾就讓我們其實也理解到當時因為歷史的因素戶籍登記的因素那有山園有平原但是其實我們應該要更著重更重視的應該是各族各族群各族各民族 |
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才是我們要加強這是這二十多年來的政府一直在努力的方向加強各族所以也是歷史的因素啦平埔族當時並沒有被政府所納入應該也是台灣原住民族啦那所以以廣義的台灣原住民族來講那其實你用現在的分法16族 |
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其實也有學者認為這是狹義那應該把平埔族人也放入原住民族那是我們今天要討論的方向那有了這個方向之後我們才可以接下來繼續的來討論那過去因為歷史因素有三地原住民、平地原住民那也受原住民基本法的一些對於他們的文化、生活等等的一些保障 |
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那我們也同意那社會也越來越進步但是我們現在來討論的是平普族的相關的文化權益的保障而且這個也已經一開始就講得很清楚了主委你認為他不應該在原住民基本法的框架裡而用另外一個保護或者是 |
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對於他的文化這些基本的這些保護有一個另外一套的一個立法這基本的精神我們先講清楚但是我們接下來就要務實啦三立原住民、平立原住民到目前為止總人數大約61萬 |
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主委你在上一個會期來這裡回應的時候回答的時候你說平地原住民平埔族人大概有多少98萬人98萬人你認為如果我們現在開始來登記以你的版本是3年嗎就是對5年那我跟委員報告說 |
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登記齁 我們預估啦 研判啦不會說一下子登記就一下子就到98萬人啦這是一定 因為就好像我們過去山地跟平地原住民的登記也不是一下子就到今天的這個人數也許 也許到今年年底可能不到10萬 |
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我預估啦那五年呢五年大概就是說就看看後面的狀況就是說會不會全部98萬人來登記當然我們是希望我個人認為喔是我樂觀其成了原住民越多越好就是說大家就是才有才有更多的這個我們的我們會有更多的互動啊這個文化也會更精彩他是這樣子所以應該我認為要到98萬人可能 |
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五年內啦五年內才有辦法到98萬沒有辦法絕對沒有辦法一下子就到位啦其實政府有沒有這個資源齁那可以如這個最理想化還原原住民族本人本身的身份那也保有他們的文化權益等等的政府有沒有這個資源到比如說五年那你再加五年 |
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5年的登記可能後來再加5年在10年後政府有沒有這個資源可以 |
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另外對於平埔族我們現在看到的就好幾族了嘛有在這個文化部裡面文化資產這邊有定期活動的齁其實包含這個希拉雅族齁那還有包含台南大內大內投射太祖業績東山吉貝耍業績等等那還有高雄大武龍 |
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阿里等等有非常有好幾個族餒對這可能來主委請教一下大概會有多少平埔族的這個 |
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我們各位報告我們目前平埔原住民不是只有一個族一碼差不多九族十族九族十族差不多九個族因為現在在文化部裡面大概有十件就十族啦最少九族啦最少九族所以我相信其實在未來台灣政府持續這樣子進步下去的話是有足夠資源那主委所以你的意見是 |
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我們這些平埔族,未來他跟我們目前原住民族16族裡面的資源是不會重疊的?不會,我們希望是另外加三眼、平眼這本來就是一個行之多年了嘛,那平埔原住民族我們另外那我們即將遇到的問題,也就是說你五年內登記的他所遇到的包含原住民族的教育法,它適不適用? |
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原住民族的教育法它是不是用我跟委員報告齁 |
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像我們自己主管的法令 就是說原住民研法這個其實需要社會廣泛的討論也把當初我們對於原住民族的這些要立原住民族教育法的這些過程然後包含現今社會的狀況要一併的跟社會以及所有的各民族來做一個相關的討論那另外最重要的也就是最難處理的地方制度法要不要處理 |
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如果這樣子的話台南也有高雄也有那現在台南跟高雄市直轄市議員是山地山園跟平原是各二席二加二一共是四席但是又有總額的限制接下來的這個平埔族呢 |
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這個要怎麼處理一定會碰到的問題拉長時間可能把這個時間拉到五年很多包含教育地方制度這些都要一併的考量而且這個不是原民會一個單位可以處理的必須要廣大很多甚至要動到修憲你知道嗎所以這個我們期待 |
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必須要審慎的來完成這些立法的討論謝謝 |