| IVOD_ID |
162892 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162892 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-3-20,36-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-26T10:01:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-26T10:09:30+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1b546098ab7db506233e699a133bfdf68be1699f4405fe9f5dc299e2380ced3fb5c8fdb204d45c695ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
沈發惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:01:43 - 10:09:30 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查行政院函為監察院114年度辦理「2025年第37屆澳紐及太平洋地區監察使年會暨人權國際研討會」所需經費不敷，請同意動支114年度中央政府總預算第二預備金750萬元支應案。） |
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我們請代理秘書長我們請王代理秘書長委員好 |
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議員長早我想剛才很多委員大家在質詢大概都已經一再慘明就是說今天的這樣子的提案它是完全是依照這個預算法第22條第二項的後段這個有關單書的規定就是說預算被刪除之後不能動用第二預備金除非兩個狀況第一種狀況是它是這個法定經費 |
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第二種情況可以動用第二預備金就是經立法院同意所以你們今天就是來尋求立法院的同意對不對就是依照預算法第二色條第二項後段對不對所以這個部分我想應該沒有爭議啦齁那因此我們就來重點就在看說今天你們來為什麼監察院被刪除那麼多那麼多的預算包括水電費什麼這些預算全部都被刪除了 |
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但是為什麼你們今天就是提這一條來動用第二預備金這個是立法院應該問的道理嘛對不對就是說你們被刪除那麼多為什麼要動用這一條這一條是我們這個要舉辦這個給這個國際監察組織裡面的這個澳紐及太平洋地區監察使年會嘛這個年會預計什麼時候舉辦 |
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所以說明今年的9月3號到5號所以時間很迫近所以剩下七、八、兩個月的準備嘛所以事實上是很急迫啦為什麼要動用預備金不等追加減預算其實就是因為時間真的很急迫了那這個到底這個年會這個是什麼樣的組織為什麼會在這個你們的預算會在立法院的審查中會刪除在司法法治委員會討論有討論到這個案子嗎 |
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我是司法法治委員會的我們是編列在議事業務那議事業務編了一千八百多萬那七百五十萬是在其中那在司法法治委員會那時候也是全案保留送協商啦全案保留送協商之後協商出來的結論就是說大家沒有共識送表決啦那送表決之後那天測驗一直表決到天亮表決到 |
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刪除預算超過本預算數的那個荒謬的在野黨的這個荒謬的刪除預算大戲裡面被刪除的嘛 對不對所以我們來看看說這樣子的預算今天也有國民黨委員來講說這個預算我們支持啊那當初為什麼會被刪除 |
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就是因為當初的刪除的過程荒謬那我們今天來就是把它提出來我們來好好討論說這個預算到底需不需要我們所參加的我們這個國際監察組織它有幾個會員國 |
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國際監察組織到目前為止有257個會員國那我們國家的會員是隸屬於APOR就是澳紐及太平洋那總共有18個會員國這個國際監察組織它總共分六個區域它分成非洲、亞洲、歐洲、北美洲 |
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然後再來加勒比亞跟拉丁美洲第六個就是我們紐澳跟太平洋嘛對不對所以它是一個正式的國際組織那這樣的國際組織我們在哪一年加入的在一九九四一九九四年啦一九九四年啦到現在三十年啦一九九四年一九九四年我們加入我們用什麼樣的名義加入中華台北 |
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台灣經濟共同體中華民國監察院我們用中華民國監察院加入這個是現在我們非常非常少數用中華民國的名義加入的國際組織三十年這個組織有我們參加這個組織三十年三十年來我們舉辦過幾次年會舉辦過三次年會兩次吧這是第三次這是要舉辦第三次三十年來我們才爭取到兩次 |
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一次在2011年是馬英九總統任內爭取的另外一個是2019年那我們從2022年開始爭取今年主辦經過兩年的努力我們今年終於可以主辦了這樣子的在台灣現在在國際社會上面這樣子的條件我們在所有的組織有的組織完全連參與的機會都沒有有的組織就你一定要矮化才能參與 |
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這麼難得有一個以中華民國名義參加的國際組織我們參加了三十年才辦過兩次年會今年要爭取辦第三次結果這已經剩兩個月囉如果今天我們預算不讓你們動用第二預備金我們沒錢我們宣布兩個月前宣布不辦了我們台灣在這個國際組織要怎麼站起來啊 |
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台湾这么少的国际组织用中华民国民意参与结果我们跟人家说我们今年要办年会然后剩下两个月说我们不办了年会说其他国家会问你为什么啊为什么你们不办说对不起因为我们在野党把我们的预算删除了所以我们没得办 |
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這種把國內政治鬥爭去影響到國家在參與國際社會的利益這個就是典型標準這就是為什麼人民會看不下這一屆立法院的最大的原因大家對於國內政策對於監察院可以有很多意見可以提案要求修建廢除監察院但是這種參與國際組織這台灣國際面子這台灣的國際信用 |
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這個你再怎麼樣野蠻再怎麼內鬥都不能夠去危害到國家的這個利益更何況這個國際監察組織事實上從2018年開始中國他們本來不是一個民主國家他們沒有國會沒有什麼院但是中國在2018年他設立了一個國家監察委員會對不對他想要用這個國家監察委員會他想要加入這個組織把中華民國踢出去 |
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在這麼艱難的時候我們在野黨刪除這個預算讓我們國際信用破產讓我們下一次要再爭取舉辦第三次的機會也沒了以後誰還會讓你辦啊你們在兩個月舉辦前兩個月跟我宣布取消所以這部分我覺得這個是台灣的國家利益這部分我希望說我們今天動用第二預備金我們要應該立法院應該要通過讓你們辦 |
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你可以說台北市議會因為蔣萬安市場做得很爛所以我在舉辦前兩個月我說把你失壯運的預算全部砍光讓你辦不了失壯運這個就是我所說的 |
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我們內部在野黨黨派政治立場不同我們政治觀點不同我們所扮演的角色不同都沒有關係但是所有的這些包括預算刪除包括我們這些都不能夠損及台灣的國家利益這才是在野黨應該有的這也是現在人民對於這一屆立法院所真正不滿的地方想要把台灣踢出APPLE這個年會 |
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只有兩個人一個就是中共他們2018年處心積慮第二就是在野黨刪除這個預算讓我們國際信用擴展以上好 謝謝接著請羅志強委員質詢 |