| IVOD_ID |
162886 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162886 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-3-20,36-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-26T09:13:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-26T09:20:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1b546098ab7db5065266f91899adc39d8be1699f4405fe9f4ee86841c083e3aad3c8be10e344e7af5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林德福 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:13:36 - 09:20:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查行政院函為監察院114年度辦理「2025年第37屆澳紐及太平洋地區監察使年會暨人權國際研討會」所需經費不敷，請同意動支114年度中央政府總預算第二預備金750萬元支應案。） |
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謝謝主席是不是請那個副主席長陳副主席長好 陳副主席長 |
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委員好副主席因為今天這個監察院辦理研討會的經費不敷審查的案子行政院含的說明內容為什麼是依據預算法第22條第二項規定來辦理為什麼不是依據預算法第70條的規定來辦理那我請副主席你做說明 |
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是 為了垂詢的事項我在這裡做個報告就是說因為監察院今天所提的它的源頭是因為在立法院預算審議的時候是被刪減的所以我們預算法的規定刪減以後就可以動用預備金是不是那就是說我們預算法的規定它有分前段跟後段前段就基於尊重 |
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立法院預算的審議所以規定他不能動之第二預備金但是他後段是就是說如果是原來刪減的立法院有同意的話那他就可以動之第二預備金吳審議長我請教你預算法第22條第二項內容是立法院審議刪除或刪減之預算項目及金額不得動之預備金但法定經費或立法院同意者 |
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不在此限那我請問戶主記長今天這個審查案的經費到底是不是法定的經費是不是就是說他是 |
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法定經費或經立法院同意的所以他是屬於或後面的立法院同意如果是法定經費換為基於維持法定機關正常運作以及執行法定職務之經費如果停止執行會造成影響整個機關的存續 |
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那麼應該可以動資預備金不需要審查反之啊如果不是法定經費的範圍那請問因為目前齁 |
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整個這個憲法法庭啊已經受理監察院所提的114年中央政府總預算案總關於刪減監察院稅出預算進行違憲的審查那我請問副主席長你認為立法院適合對憲法法庭違憲審查中的案件進行實質的審查嗎現在在憲法法庭喔 |
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本案在立法院進行審查 經過三讀決議 |
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如果又是維持原決議也就是不通過動資預備金那麼行政院監察院到底要怎麼做難道要再呼籲要提釋憲法法庭的審查嗎你告訴我 |
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我們現在就是依預算法的這個規定來請求原來三檢的大院看能不能同意但是現在在憲法法庭啊還沒有到最後的決定啊對不對但是如果一切都要等於是法庭如果憲法法庭違憲審查結論和立法院動用預備金審查不同的結果的時候那應該要聽誰的對不對 |
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這樣你了解吧憲法法庭到最後裁定的結果跟我們現在要是通過的背道而馳那到底要聽誰的跟委員報告因為現在我們已經在執行當中了如果一切都需要等到憲法法庭可能很多的對 但是現在還在那裡啊那個護審計長 |
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副主席長 預算法第22條第二項和第三項增列行之有年但是條約裡面認識用法應該要有所依據而不是只照字面意義就認為有所本114年總預算在3月21號總統已經公布實行 |
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在憲法法庭違憲審查結果還沒有出來前目前是屬於法定預算我請問副主席長今天的審查案要動之第二一倍金主計總數是依據哪種實質的條件認為符合第二項符合第二一倍金的必要動之你告訴我 |
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我們就是因為當時認為三檢以後自然來行那因為二十二條就賦予說如果三檢的立法院同意可以動資第二預備金所以就依這個法所規範的程序來提出申請其次主計那個副主計長請問你動資第二預備金是不是需要符合華麗明確性的原則才能讓預備金動資釋出有名是不是 |
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327.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
351.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
我覺得這個條文主要還是在於說立法院刪減了那如果因為情勢變跟立法院同意他動之所以他概念上就是原來刪減的這個大院他是如果同意他還是可以動之還是只要機關需要宋教立法院同意就可以是這樣嗎沒有要經立法院同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
352.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
363.407 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
那再其次預算法第70條對第二預備金動資就已經明文規定我請問副主席講行政院以預算法第22條第二項為依據難道預算法第70條形容據文嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
368.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
384.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
70條喔 可以護士不看嗎不是 70條是行政院同意動之送立法院備查那22條大院監督的強度比較強要經立法院同意那個今天喔 我是認為啦 主計長不敢來喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
385.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
407.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
要你出來這個其實我們就打個問號啦你照理講陳淑芝主計長應該要來面對不是不是對不對不是不敢來是剛好有另外沒有那回事啦基本上我們就是依法來提出申請主計為主對不對我時間到了我不就不耽擱啦我認為你要審慎啦好請委員支持謝謝是謝謝德湖委員 |
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413.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
416.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
接着我们请吴秉瑞委员质询 |