| IVOD_ID |
162868 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162868 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-25T11:58:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-25T12:09:51+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3c0085a4689617f5d9e6defe9223596b137b1f10ec760e8b7cefc3e4f112f4f014b82059455edac95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳雪生 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:58:33 - 12:09:51 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請交通部部長、交通部鐵道局局長、交通部觀光署署長、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司董事長及台灣高速鐵路股份有限公司董事長率所屬相關單位列席就「交通部觀光署、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司及台灣高速鐵路股份有限公司人事調整及新任首長之業務展望」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【若開會當日交通部觀光署新任署長尚未就任，該署部分另擇期排案】） |
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我以為王一川委員只會鬥爭,他腦袋還不錯像有一些高鐵,沒有人做的時段把便宜的票賣出去,這是對的我看他腦袋還不錯陳部長不是史部長 |
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委員好部長好久不見我看你這個笑容可掬很像事業蠻順利的是看到你就會很開心不不不我再請問一下這一次高鐵跟台鐵的人事案當然我們尊重行政院這個人事主導權是你們的你該派誰我們沒有意見當然成敗你要負責 |
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這個過程怎麼樣?願聽其詳?願聞其詳?過程啊?過程這個人是怎麼主導的?這個是由交通部提出,那由院長核定喔,那就你提出的喔?是,交通部提出的,交通部提出的沒錯因為這個高鐵有沒有,這個鄭榮我對他很有興趣啊他從立龍航空的時候就跟我們馬嘴有接觸後來到這個長榮 |
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他真的標準的稀有,跑到高鐵,高鐵他快倒了嘛對不對現在又把他振興起來了,高鐵把他做得很好,他高鐵甚至要學台鐵做台鐵的便當他已經有計畫,我聽他講了突然生董事長,董事長沒幹幾個月又變成台鐵台鐵是一個很危險的職務 |
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我之前杜慧當局長的時候,我問她杜局長請問你要幹多久?她幹到退休台鐵局長一年換三次,關的關,彈劾的彈劾 |
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這很辛苦的,是不是?杜董事長做得很好,真的做到退休他退休的時候我也很詫異,我一直希望他能夠繼續那當然你現在又把鄭榮又把他弄過來,我也跟鄭榮勉勵了高鐵那邊的年薪跟台鐵的年薪差很多台鐵的薪水已經都有爭議了 |
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所以當然鄭總上來是蠻辛苦的啦因為台鐵這裡面有斷還有站對不對,站跟斷這個陳科已久啦你把底下弄得差不多你自己也走人了是不是,你部裡面如果底下每個局都出狀況,你部長也幹不下去了嘛是不是那我現在講台鐵要漲價,大概二十幾嘛,二十六點幾是不是他今年的財報大概虧損一百多少 |
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你怎麼樣把137.9億虧損彌平,然後再恢復到高鐵的雄風,你有沒有這樣的雄心壯志? |
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我有這樣的想法但是這個要慢慢來我想最重要現在要讓台鐵的這個服務能夠符合旅客的需求能夠讓旅客有對台鐵有信心譬如說要安全要準點這部分恐怕要先做到 |
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那做完這個以後那也同時因為要做到這個一定要讓我們的員工有願意他來這個付出那所以這個友善職場對員工的這個福利一些他的應該給他合理的一個待遇這個也要趕快做那希望做完了以後我們再來看看我們的財務情況是怎麼樣我想我們都會支持那你現在推出一個TPASTPAS這個一年要虧3.8億 |
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當然地方跟中央聯合來出我也問了比如台北市、台中跟我們馬祖沒什麼關係我們地方不會出這個錢我們出這個錢也是找陳部長算帳我們不會出這個錢所以你這裡面還要3.8億當然這個政策是對的啦外面學者專家評估這個政策是對的這個對我們通行人員來講是好的那 |
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您可能會更加辛苦啦好不好還有我最關注的是台鐵便當希望你把台鐵便當繼續發揚光大好不好好我們會在這個優勢之下我們努力強化我們的優勢那我們做得不好我們趕快要把它做得更好好那部長台鐵董事長剛剛才上任你不會把它再換掉吧 |
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不會啊不會啊不會在桃園去哪裡啊?高工局馬上退休了,你會不會再弄到那邊去啊?不會啊,台鐵有很多工作要做,所以剛剛那個委員已經提示很多工作了齁那鄭董事長一定會努力把台鐵的提示改變我們根本都不知道啊,都是聽報章雜誌那個,那鄭董你請回好不好?我想請我們新任石董事長好,高鐵石董事長 |
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石董事長我在立法院很少跟他見面,也沒見過不過初次見面印象蠻好的,談笑風生而且看起來蠻歷練的,跟我們部長多學習當然你是以前文化部部長現在不管怎麼樣,你的長官是陳部長現在你心裡面可以嗎?可以接受嗎?完全接受你不能接受可以講啊?完全接受完全接受? |
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好那你說說看你將來有什麼雄心抱負把高鐵怎麼樣繼續繼續發揚光大就誠如剛才王玉川委員也講了一些啊我以為王玉川只會搞鬥爭啊他腦袋還不錯你可以接受他的講法嗎他講的講法是我們現在也目前正在進行的事情因為你有一些高鐵 |
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都沒有人嘛對不對你可以把票價降低啊去招攬客人你不要現在班班客滿的情況之下你可以公告一些這個這個這個比較離風時間的時段我們高鐵的特質就是一般車開出來不管是坐多少人他的固定成本都是一樣我想石董事長你剛剛上任我也不為難你這個裡面改組啊我也尊重交通部行政院的人事權 |
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當然還要看你的表現,表現不好的話,我們在執行團還要見面嘛好不好?加油,請你請回台鐵剛才那個誰?鄭董?很重要的問題,工會團體提出三大訴求,大概都是公安的問題 |
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警力的加強你這邊交通部要跟內政部去協調一下因為高鐵常常發生一些意外公安意外所以鐵路警察的部分我們會特別拜託對這些員工人心惶惶他們會怕是不是對我們旅客來講的安全好不好這個很重要鄭董你再回去注意一下好不好好你跟工會溝通一下他們的三大訴求我想這個應該可以辦得到就警力再加強一下是的我們會跟鐵警局再進一步溝通 |
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好那鄭董你請回部長最後一個問題就請教你今天公路局局長沒有來我明天會找他來開個會你聽到就好了我們中正國中有個停車場停車場大概我不曉得誰規劃156個位置 |
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這個停車場是大家使用,不是國中,因為沒有土地的嘛所以利用中正國中運動場下面,把它土方挖開然後做停車場,上面再蓋教室教室的錢教育不出,底下的錢由我們公眾局來出啦那現在公眾局說,你要蓋156個位置 |
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那我們覺得沒辦法我們只能蓋75個車位75個車位單價大概248萬一個他說你這個248萬建造費用超過一般的100多萬的車子變成這個停車場比車位還貴不符國內標準馬祖地區我們缺工缺料 |
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我們很多地方標不出去我們一個中山國中標了二十八次二十八次喔標出去以後還碰到問題,地質賺貸的問題所以可見還有一些石頭、砂石有一些離島的地區根本東西都進不去啊那廠商你即使給我賺五百萬、賺一千萬沒有用,我不想賺那個錢啊因為什麼?預期罰款會罰死他你知道嗎所以呢 |
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在公路總局這案子一直沒辦法過去一直在審查再審查那你狀況不一樣,你不能跟台灣來比啊是不是,那你造價不只比台灣高三分之一還有缺工缺料的問題我們另外一個停車場,福澳停車場兩個比較單價,一個車位的單價是247萬這個是248萬啊,只多一萬塊啊 |
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所以我想部長你回去交代一下公務總局,我們現場明天要親自來,因為這個問題不能再拖了而且工程已經八次發包了,如果實在再不行,請我們交通部你們來主導來主政在符合規範的範圍之內我們盡量來協助,這個部分我來跟他們溝通你不能一直在符合台灣的規範,你符合台灣的規範怎麼弄? |
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你台灣一個單價,比如說車子一部150萬,它的停車位造價只能在150萬以內那我們那裡就在200多萬嘛,沒有200多萬坐不起來嘛現在我們就75個車位,那好你如果要求要我們156個車位的話,那你再給我補助我一半的錢啊 |
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明天召開的會議先討論,後續有需要我來協助,我再來協助溝通現場很緊張,他親自跑來,拜託我啊拜託我,我就找公眾總局他們來他們裡面有個委員會委員會你做官的在辦公室,你怎麼知道我們那邊的事情啊我都火大了,反正想說再考察一次因為馬祖考察過了啊再去為這個事情再考察一次部長有需要嗎? |
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其實您這樣說我就理解,不一定要到現場,因為停車場我就看了兩個馬祖的停車場我們看過兩個,就這個沒看,蓋了你一看你應該了解了嗎?對我了解了好不好,不打擾你好不好,謝謝昭偉 |