| IVOD_ID |
162860 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162860 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第27次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
27 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第27次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-25T11:52:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-25T11:59:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:41 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3c0085a4689617f587a5892bd3831bd6d00eebfa22cd2c4c7cefc3e4f112f4f09a2301c5895557e05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃珊珊 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:52:01 - 11:59:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第27次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員王定宇等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第五十四條條文修正草案」案。二、審查委員廖先翔等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十三條條文修正草案」案。三、審查委員張宏陸等30人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。四、審查委員林宜瑾等27人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。五、審查委員王義川等16人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。六、審查委員陳素月等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。【第六案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】） |
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好謝謝主席我想請那個法務部次長還有刑事廳吳法官好請次長跟法官那也請一下部長也請一下部長部長部長還有次長我想打詐這件事情在呃形式上應該是內政部主導的業務對吧 |
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包括造房條例裡面其實牽涉到四個主要的部會但是內政部主管嘛好寶兔在這個案子去年此時我們修正通過之後發生了一個很嚴重的事情就是司法院的高等法院的判決跟我們的立法一職顯然不一樣高等法院認為犯罪所得是那個車手賺的那幾千塊 |
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所以進行了所謂的法庭辯論那刑事大法庭也做出了裁定主要就是針對我們的47條裡面有關犯罪所的認定部長你自己 |
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在這個法條裡面您的認知應該是怎樣我想黃委員講得非常正確所以我們在這次很尊重委員所提到有關47條修正案的部分是 所以部長也認為應該把犯罪所得定義清楚不應該讓法官各自為政 對吧好 次長我在5月7號的時候同樣質詢那時候是部長 |
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部長說如果只要法庭做出的決定裁定跟法務部原來立法一直不同法務部會進行相關的修法而且你們還有公文5月21號的公文給我你們已經啟動修法作業今天我看到的是委員的版本我想問一下法務部的版本在哪裡我們6月送到行政院還沒有來什麼時候會來已經送出去了是嗎 |
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行政院會要開會所以還不知道什麼時候會來但是你們已經做了你們的版本跟張委員的版本差不多嗎張委員的版本還是有一點點不一樣有一點點不一樣所以我現在要問的是你們的意見是什麼你們的版本會是什麼我想這牽涉到接下來你們這一次跟司法院溝通過了沒有 |
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上一次我問的是你們的法沒有跟司法院溝通到法庭去有法官自己自由行政這一次有沒有溝通那個行政院會會審會會司法院所以你們自己不先溝通要等到行政院來溝通 |
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我的意見就是很簡單啦一件事情要出來之前就應該溝通好了到立法院之後不應該發生刑事廳坐在現場法務部坐在現場我們通過的法條兩個單位不合作最後到法庭去讓法官自由行政今天的問題在這裡啊所以你們現在還是沒溝通我很難過我上次問的就是為什麼不溝通不可以先開會再寫法條嗎呃 |
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行事廳有沒有表示過意見對 因為行政院本來就會邀請司法院 我們會在行政院溝通這就是為什麼一個法條到法院 到立法院了法院通過了 立法理由寫完了 到法庭去法官還可以用自己的私有行政 就是因為這樣吧 |
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我們通過的法條法官不理解法官自己決定自己要怎麼解釋然後去搞了一個最高法高等法院的大法庭然後來裁定這不是很可笑嗎今天就不應該再發生同樣的錯誤我再講一遍46條47條是一樣的一個是自首一個是自白你只修47是不行的 |
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我們的草案46在裡面因為委員看到的現在目前是47的版本所以我希望你們應該是完整的去調整第二個如果可能的話現在就應該啟動所謂的溝通機制吧等到行政院再去跟司法院溝通又要拖多久時間如果你們可以在草案擬出來的同時就已經請教過他們的意見就不會發生這些事情啊 |
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不是嗎 部長這個國家不應該發生這種事不是嗎因為有時候是因為時間的問題就是說要到草案出來這段時間有多少時間那你們的意見是像這個就是說以所謂的全額填補被害人所受損害或者是跟被害人達成和解才可以減薪期刑嘛 對嗎對 不是賠償全部 而是 |
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而是呢在延遲辯論終結以前呢有支付跟被害人達成調節或和解是全部金額就是他同意原諒你給你多少機會那個錢你付掉了你就有機會減輕其刑得減輕其刑所以付掉了還不一定減輕其刑就對了對所以重點是這件事情是你們自己想的還是司法院同意的我們有找學者開會 |
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學者所以司法院從來不用表示意見就是你們自己決定就算了我們因為剛才我跟委員報告過就是因為你們的機制是這樣但是我覺得這個事情很簡單最後法庭才是最後的裁決者如果他們在事先不能表示意見的話就會發生每個法庭的法官講的都不一樣然後最後再來統一法律見解浪費人民的時間浪費立法院的時間我們還要重新立法 |
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立法一直寫得那麼明確他還可以做出不同的解釋這才是今天中華民國最大的問題好嗎部長跟次長我希望你們跟司法院在打詐這件事情上面應該是一個team而不是這樣子分工分到最後讓司法院自己做主 |
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可以做到嗎?多久之內可以做好這件事呢?我想應該會盡快盡快?然後行政院什麼時候會送來?不知道這個會情會不會?這個很急啊現在案子對法院審啊一大堆被告都在那邊等啊這個是很急迫的所以解釋以後所有的人付三千塊五千塊就沒事啦他會不會再犯?會啊 |
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你什麼時候要做嘛法條來了你們也要送過來我想召委在這邊他一定會趕快排的還是說我們要自己幫你先通過我們會盡快處理我希望現在是六月底七月底前至少要到立法院來大家趕快討論趕快過一過然後現在法院的案子可以趕快結掉 |
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好不好 一個月之內我希望在七月底以前可以送到這邊來拜託你去催促行政院快一點 拜託你們趕快跟司法院統一見解因為我們會 行政會會召開會議市長 我知道 都知道 麻煩你們快一點一年了 現在才要討論 不是很可笑嗎 你們一年前為什麼不討論 |
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還要再去問人家意見可不可笑同樣的錯誤再發生第二次我覺得你們政務人員就要負責下台啊是再發生同樣的錯誤就不應該了啊好嗎是一個月之內 拜託了 |