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| 會議時間 |
2024-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、交通部民用航空局局長、桃園國際機場股份有限公司董事長、中華航空股份有限公司董事長及桃園航勤股份有限公司董事長就「如何強化遭遇顯著危害天氣現象之飛航安全與人力配置暨如何落實地面勤務之安全規範」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部民用航空局單位預算。
三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金－民航事業作業基金分預算。
四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於交通部主管桃園國際機場股份有限公司營業預算。
【本日僅進行詢答】【11月18日、20日二天一次會】） |
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好,我們繼續開會,現在介紹在場的列席人員首先介紹我們交通部陳世凱部長好,航政司韓振華司長韓司司長,好,會計處曾煥東副處長人事處李美惠副處長民航局何淑平局長 |
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主計是林珍玉主任你是民航局的主計是嗎?我們桃機公司楊威甫董事長謝謝楊董會計處代理處長黃季賢華航謝士堅董事長謝謝董事長今天撥控參加 |
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好請股份有限公司蕭國志總經理蕭總謝謝你內政部我們警政署航警局邱文亮局長邱局長好久不見主計是陳慧娟主任行政院主計處公務預算處王淺凱專委好歡迎你 |
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以及我們基金預算處李政道科長本次會議進行第一如何強化遭遇顯著危害天氣現象的飛航安全與人力配置及如何落實地面勤務的安全規範專題報告第二114年民航局單位預算 |
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以及民航事業作業基金分預算還有桃園國際機場公司營業預算等三項預算進行審查好我們現在就請交通部長陳世凱部長報告主席各位委員 |
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各位女士先生今天應邀至貴委員會就如何強化遭遇顯著危害天氣現象之飛航安全與人力配置暨如何落實地面勤務之安全規範進行專案報告並就本部民航局單位預算民航事業作業基金以及 |
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桃園機場公司114年度業務計劃及預算編列情形提出報告,敬請各位委員指教 |
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為因應顯著危害天氣現象對飛航安全運行的威脅與挑戰本部及民航局制定有關危害天氣下之飛航牽派的相關法規及準則要求業者落實安全管理系統進行風險管控、識別可能之危害因子 |
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1932.935 |
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1958.132 |
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保守執行航機遷派作業密切關注天氣情況儘早規劃調度航班並持續監控各航機飛航情形以確保航機操作及組員之派遣符合標準亦透過安全檢查人力的配置及督導機制以提升監理效能督促業者落實執行安全工作 |
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1959.164 |
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1985.109 |
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有關地面勤務之安全落實本部與民航局也持續要求業者應該遵守空測作業管理規範透過自我督察機制識別危害因子儘早實施風險緩解的措施並且透過定期與不定期的檢查機制督促業者持續強化整體地勤作業安全水準 |
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2003.754 |
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隨著疫後航空市場需求急速增加民航局及桃園機場公司積極協助航空公司準備運能、陸續增班、復航或新闢航點為了提升機場營運效率及服務水準 |
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2004.474 |
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民航局啟動臺灣地區民用機場2045年整體規劃提出各機場未來發展藍圖並持續推動航空智慧化檢探措施以及強化飛航安全工作還有就是精進遙控無人機管理的機制桃園機場公司以114年啟用第三航廈北郎機 |
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北登基廊廳以及提升旅客服務品質為主要目標並積極建設第三航站區以及第三跑道打造智慧與綠能的機場邁向永續經營以下就請民航局核局長就極端天氣下飛航運行以及地面 |
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勤務的安全管理進行報告並誠摯希望各位委員能夠提供寶貴的意見達成更周延的飛航與地面勤務安全令有關民航局單位預算民航事業作業基金以及桃園機場公司114年度業務計畫及預算編列內容由何局長及楊董事長向各位委員提出報告及說明敬請會與支持謝謝 |
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2094.776 |
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好 謝謝部長 接續報告之前補充介紹我們李昆哲委員現在在現場好 請民航局 |
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主席、各位委員、各位女士先生我首先先就如何強化遭遇顯著危害天氣現象的飛航安全跟人力配置及包含如何來落實地面勤務的安全規範來先進行報告、敬請委員指教那有關這個顯著危害天氣現象的飛航安全的作業跟這個人力的配置部分 |
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民航局為了確保飛航安全也參酌了國際規範在民用航空法訂定了相關的不良天候下的作業規範航空公司也會依據這個作業規範來訂定航機派遣準則來執行飛航作業民航局在今年5月份 |
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這個颱風季節來臨前就要求了國際航空公司要進行相關的整備跟因應那在7月整個颱風盛行期間又再次發函要求航空公司應該要依照不兩天後的飛航管制作業來保守前排來確保安全 |
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那針對整個不良天候今年的一個情形的飛航的情形呢那我們民航局也在11月份邀集了航空公司進行了相關檢討跟精進強化那以下就再進行說明相關的一個作業 |
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第一個在有關參酌國際訂定不良天候的部分那在我們民用航空法的第41條有這個民用航空器的管理規則的第32條跟207條規定那在這個不良天候的情況下的飛航那航空公司就應該要遵守我們有訂定的一個飛航的作業規定那在整個公司在做簽派作業的時候也要依據這個 |
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飛航這個飛航作業管理規則的第177條跟178條來進行那簽派前應該要評估這個所要飛的目的地機場以及備降站機場的天氣條件那包含了雲目高、能見度、風向、風速以及包含要遵守整個機場的流量管制最重要的還是要考慮到各個機型的一個飛機的性能規範跟它安全攜帶的油量還有包含組員的一個飛時的限度的相關規定 |
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2252.348 |
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那在落實整個執行的簽派作業的部分那航空公司其實在引進新機隊的時候他就需要依據這個飛航作業管理規則的各機型原廠的操作手冊的規定按各機型的起飛降落操作的性能規範還有包含天氣的條件以及機場的限制來建立這個機型的一個簽派準則 |
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那在每一天所要派飛這個飛機前呢那就會依據所掌握的天氣狀況跟遷派部門也要去考量剛剛所提到的目的地機場天氣條件還有機場特性等因素來評估這些航班是不是要提早或延後或取消那如果確定這個航班要派飛的話 |
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那也要提供駕駛員飛航所需的相關資料,包含貼器資訊,還有包含這個飛航公告NOTAM等相關資料那如果起飛後,如果遇有緊急特殊狀況的話那由遷派部門依據這個公司的手冊規定提供機場包括飛航中你任何要改變這個飛航計畫的一個相關資訊 |
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那在整個顯著這個危害天氣下飛航安全的一個精進作為首先就分為兩個部分第一個部分就是會去督我們在這個落實不良天候的派遣的飛航派遣的事前的整備 |
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在這個事前準備就是我們剛剛講的我們在5月跟7月有發函第一個就是要求航空公司一定要特別在颱風來臨前要密切注意整個天氣的資訊然後依循安全管理系統的機制下來執行相關風險的評估在可接受的風險等級下審慎規劃這個落實保守簽判 |
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二、航空公司在平時就要落實主源於亂流、風切、濕滑跑道、低能見度、雷暴雨等不良天候狀況警覺決策,緊急應變各項訓練,加強航機務檢查 |
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在提升牽派與飛行作業的整備部分就是要加強對航機的駕駛員提示相關的一些即時資訊便要注意航班吊派的因應然後在空中待命的時間不得超過其待命油量所應對的航行時間來增加整個應變的油量 |
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那在特別在颱風過後也要特別留意相關的簽派因為不良天候它導致的這個機場流量的管制作業或者是相關的停機位等等或者是相關直飛時預兆有不預期的天候都要納入整個簽派的考量 |
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那我們在整個剛剛提到的11月13號邀請航空公司來進行相關的檢討就是如何再來優化整個簽派跟進進的作業那第一個就是航空公司在召開這個防颱會議掌握整個颱風的預報應該要依據颱風的一個當時的情形跟特性的發展 |
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的一個趨勢將氣象預報的側風、陣風數值等納入各機型牽派的參考作為整個公司的一個風險決策然後也要在航空公司要依據颱風的動態影響的區域跟機場的範圍、機場預報的風速值的差異以及航班飛航異動的情形要事前提早來安排滯空機轉降 |
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或調度航機的延後起飛最重要的是簽派單位要主動協助載空機駕駛員提供及時的氣象及包含各機場重飛情況及轉降資訊供駕駛員參考 |
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在增訂整個不良天候的一個遷派考量也要求業者應該要規劃兩個目的地的備降機場其中一個不得在颱風的影響範圍內然後務必來落實攜帶足夠的應變油量對於目的地的機場跟機坪停止作業、空調安全的風速限制也要應該納入考量 |
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第5個部分就是因為在11月中旬還是有相關的颱風所以我們民航局也在11月15號有依據民用航空法第57條發函要求華航長榮新宇要落實一個保守簽派的作業那整個 |
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在民航局的一個飛航檢查的人力的配置部分基本上我們都是參照國際民航組織來設置相關的專業的檢察員那來確保我們整個監理的能量那到今年10月底我們整個航機務試航初始針對這個航機務的部分大概有67位那會依據這個民用航空運輸業跟普通航空業還有訓練機構的機型機隊還有公司的一個專業人力的規模指派專任的航機務 |
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中華航空局局長 |
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這檢查員來擴充整個核心的公務檢查人力透過這樣的人才的培育來培養我們的一個儲備主管人才那在約聘檢查人力我們也每年有兩次的招聘然後視情況會來辦理招聘作業的次數然後來採取相關的招聘以進行人力的顯補 |
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第二大部分就是有關落實地面勤務的安全規範整個我們地面勤務的安全管理機制也是參照國際規定來進行相關的法規的訂定所以我們有訂定了航空站的地勤業、人員、裝備、注意等相關的 |
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作業事項那也會參考國際民航組織的這個Document來訂定相關航空站的空測作業管理手冊然後供各個機場訂定空測的作業程序來管理空測地面作業安全那在整個 |
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安全機場跟地勤業者的一個安全管理部分那是參照國際民航組織的這個Document 9859訂定航空站的地勤安全管理的系統綱要計畫然後推動各個機場跟桃勤、長勤等三大地勤業者的一個安全管理的一個系統機制那透過於相關資訊的 |
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提出相關的強化作為那在落實整個業者的自我安全部分那在基品作業地勤業者會分為就是說第一線的要求就是每日實施基品檢查這是一級查核那在公司總部也會進行二級的抽查那對相關的裝備等等都應該要相 |
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依據相關的維護手冊來進行辦理那地勤作業單位每月會將相關的異常缺失會進行改善那由公司總部由高階主管來檢視各項安全作為那民航局對於相關這些地勤業者會每年定期實施相關的一個查核包含相關文件、作業機制等等那在2013年今年我們就對地勤業者加強了安全文化的宣導跟內化相關精進的風險評估來督導 |
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2701.71 |
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相關這個有關他們查核的量能應該依據不同時段來調配然後也要業者要對自我檢查的缺失來進行統計分析那必要時民航局也會針對業者來進行實施專案查核那目前長期跟人情有關人力的裝備程序修訂等等民航局都在持續列管他的改善情形 |
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2729.529 |
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那有關加長地勤作業安全的措施部分大概分以下列幾點來說明主要就是因為疫情初期其實有相關的地勤人數大概只有45004500個人那與疫情前相較大概減幅達到了12%那民航局也積極地檢視相關的機場的一個整備還有跑點他們的服務量能然後針對個別業者提出相關的建議 |
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那截至到113年9月底我們地勤人力已經達到了6000人然後已經達到108年前的疫情水準那目前業者也仍在持續招募中那有關相關地勤的作業人員特別要求一定要列管要他們實施業務熟悉訓練也因為有將近有1000多的新進的地勤作業人員所以地勤業者在113年有辦理了 |
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2774.18 |
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總共有619門的課程的訓練課程包含初附訓然後訓練也達到了43000人次那針對相關民航局也要求針對相關的地安事件或者是新的案例訓練教材等都要進行來相關實施特訓 |
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那針對相關車輛的保養的部分或者是加速汰換我們也要求地勤業者務必來積極來辦理那目前來講113年業者已經增購了113輛的裝備車輛那預計114年會再增購157輛那我們也會基於安全的目的鼓勵業者來優先選用具有安全靠機功能的輔助裝備 |
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那作業程序也是最重要的一環民航局也要求地勤公司在分析相關事件後應該進行相關SOP的一個檢討然後來降低調整人為裝備上的潛在風險例如有發現這個航機拖車易壓油漏易壓油洩漏之後我們有針對它的一個油路的檢查或者是相關的零件的一個更換年份的一個縮短包含透過不同期設來區分那也針對這個 |
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提供各機場的安全規範 |
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2853.506 |
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中華航空局局長 |
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這個營運的航空站經營管理人就會對當事人就是對地勤的相關作業人員進行吊銷或吊扣駕照然後也包含通行證那相關的一個改善也會回報那對於如果有違規情節重大的話那就會報請民航局來進行移民用航空法來採取那第二部分就是相關風險的辨識就是航空站經營人 |
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每個月會召開空測安全會議,針對空測的跑滑道、停機坪等等相關設施來進行危害的辨識然後也會制定相關預防的一個應對措施然後進行相關宣導那空測違規的一個地安事件如果辨識出那113年桃園機場就有針對操作人裝備的議題全面檢視空測程序針對高齡裝備的維護保養還有一些漏油等等 |
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2961.699 |
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加強管理作為並修訂相關人員的作業跟操作跟保養程序那在整個機場來講航空站經營人跟地勤跟相關公民營進駐的單位其實要共同跨部門的合作形成一個整體的安全文化這也是我們安全管理系統裡面最追求的一個部分就是要共同來持續改善然後讓相關有效來降低這個跑道入侵或相關安全的風險 |
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那所以說在面對整個這個顯著的危害天氣作業民航局也會來持續督導航空公司落實事前的整備然後嚴格督促業者要遵守相關的規範那對於各機場跟地勤的落實安全管理系統提升安全文化然後也會透過相關的法規對於違規者來進行相關的裁處那透過定期跟不定期的查核來落實相關 |
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執行整體的風險降低那以上的一個報告 敬請各位委員指教那第二部分呢就針對我們民航局114年度的單位預算民航作業基金分預算來進行報告 |
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3004.61 |
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3023.663 |
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整個報告的部分以下就以前年度還有包含114年度的施政計畫重點預算編列的情形跟預期的施政績效來提出簡要說明首先在112年的預算執行公務預算的部分執行有關稅務的部分大概4700萬執行率102 |
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百分之一百零二那稅出預算執行的46億6千萬執行率是99.8那整個民航最基金的分預算的部分業務總收入的預算是115億2千萬那決算數是120億那執行率是104.4那業務總支出的部分是131億 |
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3055.88 |
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預算數是131億那整個決算數是128億執行率是97%那整個來講是本期有短處7億元那主要是以上收支相抵的一個結果那至於113年10月底的一個預算執行情形呢那整個稅稅入預算數的部分截至10月底那整個分配數是4200萬那整個執行是 |
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執行了103%那在整個稅出預算的部分截至10月底是4億5000萬元那佔整個執行數是3億9800萬佔整個分配數是88%那在民航作業基金分預算的部分業務總收入是到10月底預算的分配數是106億 |
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3110.345 |
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執行數是110億佔整個預算分配數的104%那整個業務總支出的預算數139億那截至10月底執行了89億整個預算分配數執行了89億所以佔預算分配的95%那固定資產 |
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建設改良擴充物的部分到10月底整個執行數是64億元那佔整個預算分配數的97%那有關明年度的114年度的一個整個施政計畫的重點 |
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主要我們還會是積極來擴展整個國際航權考慮整個國家的整體利益跟航空公司的一個需求來跟相關國家來洽簽跟修訂雙邊通航協定那對於整個國際市場的一個脈動我們也會在整個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
3176.383 |
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國際旅運市場穩定復甦的情形下來協助航空公司來提升運能供給然後進一步讓航空公司的航網來加密來加密全球的營運的航網那對於整個機場相關地形人力我們也會依據剛剛的報告來加強督導業者 |
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3202.339 |
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然後來落實相關作業程序來強化相關的變動管理那對於整個桃園航空自由貿易港區來講我們預計在明年會完成整個桃園航空自由貿易港區的全區開發然後也來持續吸引指標業者來投資進駐來加速整個自貿港的一個發展那第二部分就是在飛安的部分 |
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3226.058 |
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我們也會來強化整個安全資料的一個收集分析運用然後妥適的調配安全檢查人力跟資源來確保我們整個航空的一個營運那在於整個機場整個航空站跟運輸業者一個安全保安管理系統的部分我們也會要求各單位來落實然後對於整個 |
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3228.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
3234.373 |
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來台轉機的部分我們也會來推動一站式的保安來避免重複檢查來增加航空公司的營運 |
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3236.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
3257.499 |
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那在於整個空測認證的部分我們會督導各機場定期辦理跑道的安全會議研討來潛在的危害擬定經濟管理然後也會加時落實相關剛剛提到的安全文化等等然後對於整個相關助導航設備的一個韌性等等我們在明年會汰換這個跑道232 ILS系統還包含 |
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| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
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我們會將整個航管的備援系統來擴充席位來增強功能然後也會因應未來年來增加的運量來提供相關的一個設備等等來確保整個飛航服務的韌性那在整個機場的布局的部分推動的部分那我們會持續來辦理2045年民用機場2045年的一個整體規劃來賦予各機場的定位來進行策略發展然後作為各機場的一個指導方針 |
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那對於桃園機場的部分桃園航空城我們會跟續來辦理地上物的搬遷作業來相關安置配地點交等等那相關的機場的建設包含松山機場包含台中機場還有高雄機場、台東機場的跑滑道的整建 |
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然後還有包含南甘機場等等還有北甘機場的相關的一個工程跑道的延長還有這個部分會來持續推動那至於機場的一個相關的航廈整建包含松山國際機場的耐震補強工程還有航力系統等等高雄機場的第一期建設 |
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也包含了相關的防水工程等等至於四座離島我們會持續辦理相關的外觀風貌的改善工程 |
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在臺中機場的部分我們也會來積極推動相關第三航廈的一些新建工程等等相關規劃那在第四部分就是有關淨零碳排的部分我們會持續Follow國際民航組織來推動相關的一個國際航空業的碳底換等等作業那也會持續推動機場的相關車輛、橋墊、橋器等的優化等節能減碳措施那至於整個智慧機場等等也要導入相關的一個新科技的 |
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致於相關的一個航管的一個飛機離道場的優化程序等等我們會推動來這個這個PBN的這個相關的一個導航的一個措施然後也會來完成相關的一個航路的一個規劃然後能夠讓相關的離道場程序可以進一步的縮短 |
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那有關相關設施的升級部分因為國際的空中全球的一個航行計畫裡面有持續在推動這個ASPU的一個部分那我們的相關的新一代也航管的管理系統我們也進行在規劃中那對於相關人力的培養等等我們也會來積極 |
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進行專題報告． |
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培育包含這個航管的部分尤其重要所以包含航管、航電氣象等等的我們也會來積極招募然後對於新進在職人員來嚴謹的一個市值訓練那對於整個訓練的一個效能其實最重要的我們要發揮航訓所相關的一個訓練角色讓我們整個民航局的用人單位等等相關的訓練能夠達到用人一個 |
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政向的發展然後也讓他們學用落差來說想那再來第三部分就要報告我們整個預算編列的情形整個單位預算的部分114年稅入預算編列總共是500 |
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5400萬那較上年度增加了2%差不多2%那主要的整個來源就是罰款或者是賠償、規費、財產等其他收入那稅出的部分整個稅出預算編列了5億 |
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有限公司董事長有限公司董事長有限公司董事長 |
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收入114年整個總收入預算我們是編列了185億元左右然後上年度大概增加了38%點 |
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主要整個就是因為整個運量的上升還有飛機過境的價值增加等等所以我們相關的收入也會跟著增加然後第二部分是業務總支出的部分整個總支出預算數編列了147億9千萬元那較上年度整個來講增加了6% |
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那主要的部分就是相關的一些基本工資的調漲或者是相關的一個部分工程完工轉列財產然後還有包含一些離島搭乘航空機往滿居民的增加所以有一些相關費用的折舊等等來支出增加那整個本期的剩餘來講114年預估來講大概 |
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整個會叫剩餘的預算數是37億元會叫今年度短錯的5億6千萬大概增加了43億元那整個在固定資產建設改良擴充的部分呢那114年預算數是194億元那整個來講大概增加了增加了129% |
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109億元那其實主要呢就是因為是航空城的用地取得計畫我們在113年度是編列了1000已經編列了1094億元那114年依據續編145億元那高雄機場的等相關建設還有桃園機場等等各項建設其實也都有編列的相關經費請各位參閱 |
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那整個施政的績效來講我們期待就是說我們透過整個相關預列跟施政的推動能夠持續增加透過航約的修訂增加我航空公司的一個靈活的一個空間讓他們可以依照需求來增加 |
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航班也積極協助航空公司希望能夠來引進新機然後能夠調彈性調隊使用運能然後回應我們國內各機場各界的一個需求然後第三的部分就是剛剛提到的航空自由賣港區的新建開發我們希望能夠在明年度來完成那相關的一個保安還有包含航空器的一些汰換等等這一些我們都希望能夠來持續進行 |
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那在整個安全的部分我們也會來持續推動那在整個航空情報轉型為這個相關這個是有關這個飛航情報區的相關情報的一個推動等等 |
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好,謝謝何局長 |
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市長你是報告是今天你也是早上才拿到的昨天有看過嗎不能稍微短一點精簡一點因為社會委員辦公室都有你們書面的一個詳細的報告我也拜託一下能夠精簡一下因為交通部你們有預估這個民航局不會誤點10分鐘 |
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那今天已經到25分鐘了誤點率高達這個還蠻高的啦會差不多啦我想這樣的啦委員續部資料請委員參與好不好那謝謝何局長那接下來兩個單位拜託控制在5分鐘之內我們機場公司楊董事長 |
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主席、各位委員、各位女士先生大家早安以下請就機場公司以前年度的預算執行情形跟114年度的業務計畫重點跟預算變略情況提出簡要的報告首先報告112年度的預算執行情形當年度的總收入是165.03億元支出的部分是145.99億元收支相抵之後淨利是19億 |
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固定資產計畫執行情況155.65億元113年度到10月底為止執行情況總收入199.97億元總支出123.78億元固定資產計畫執行96.92億元接下來報告114年度業務計畫重點 |
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114年度業務計畫是以成為國際的空運樞紐帶動航空產業發展為作為方針提升各項重大的機場建設進度並提供更多型化的機場服務來提升機場服務的品質並朝完善機場各項的建設打造優質跟好的設施跟服務推動綠色永續機場三個面向來努力首先簡單報告第一個面向的部分 |
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完善機場的各項建設持續推動我們的第三航站區第三跑道建設計畫跟西側的污水處理廠的新建工程來提升服務的量能跟滿足未來的需求那目前在 |
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這些工程的執行部分113年度已經完成了發電機的汰換114年度將持續提升電力、污水處理跟供水水網的改善來確保各項設施的運作無虞那第二個面向是打造優質的設施跟服務面向那113年度已經建置完成第一航廈的自助行李托運設備跟航廈裡面的電梯、電動坡道的升級那114年度我們將根據汰換 |
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本公司將會串聯貨運資訊建立的整合平臺以增加航空貨運的效益並透過各項智慧化設施來優化我們的營運效能公司將會持續升級各項設備並提供優質服務 |
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第三個部分是推動綠色機場永續服務落實公司的ESG永續發展之外會持續透過機場檢判檢排措施跟機場夥伴共同努力以實際行動來朝向綠色機場目標邁進110年度預算編列部分運量部分114年度預估旅客運服務量 |
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會達到4723萬人士那航空機的部分是25萬5000人士營業的總收入因為量能的回升我們110年度編列242.15億較113年度預算增加了107.51億那增幅是79.84%支出的部分我們編列了166.94億較113年度預算增加了9.4億增幅是5.97億 |
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那是因為我們收入提撥了機場的回饋金跟噪音防治費的增加另外我們的第三航廈北登基郎廳開始啟用相關的維運成本也會增加那扣除我們的所得稅15.04億之後稅後淨率預估是60.17億元會轉虧為盈 |
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另外有關固定資產計畫我們編列了182.72億包括專案計畫的部分有162.37億那其中第三航站區的建設計畫編列了149.5億元第三跑道的建設計畫編列了11億元那西側污水處理廠的部分編列了2.87億元 |
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在一般建築設備方面我們編列的預算是20.35億元當然是辦理機場各項設備的優化跟升級那最後一個結語本公司將持續擴大機場的營運量能攜手機場的服務大聯盟夥伴共同合作向國際標章機場的服務品質看齊並由各項建設計畫的推動帶動整體經濟的發展敬請各位委員支持並會試指教謝謝好 謝謝楊董事長 |
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好接下來我們有請這個桃園公司是蕭總來做報告說明 |
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主席、各位委員、各位女士先生早安桃園公司就如何強化遭遇顯著危害天氣現象之飛航安全與人力配置暨如何落實地面勤務之安全規範提出報告進行委員指教 |
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桃園公司自創立以來自負盈虧目前員工約有2700人承擔國門地勤服務作業在近年地勤業者受人力成本增加的影響以及新進地勤業者競爭的 |
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情況之下,桃園公司為了保持桃園國際機場地勤營運不受影響、免疫維持人力的安邊制,如新冠疫情期間航班數大減,嚴重影響了桃園公司的收入,但是仍然承擔著 |
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口罩、防護衣、防疫物品等防疫物質的裝卸作業業務所產生的虧損皆由桃園公司自行承擔本公司往後能將繼續以安全服務為本陸力維護飛航安全提高服務品質為目標接下來報告有關於天氣現象的人力配置部分 |
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檢討異常天候大規模班機異常人類變質背景說明基本上地勤公司是配合航空公司的運作為主桃園國際機場異常天候多為夏季的颱風以及季節交換時的大霧其中與颱風發生時影響時間較為長各航空公司會依照氣象的預報 |
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提早開立這個防災應變的會議然後決定航班的一些異動那淘勤公司會根據各航空公司的一些航班異動做人力的配合全力配合這個機場的運作班表的基本安排淘勤公司的排班是以24小時輪班制然後根據 |
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勞動基準法的規定每個員工每日加班不得超過4個小時每個月加班不得超過46個小時的原則來做於班表的安排在天候異常的時候人力的配置剛剛已經有提到過桃園機場必須配合桃機公司的政策以及航空公司的一些預排的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
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在不違反勞基法的規定下,盡力配合航空公司的班機運動安排人力以確保地勤作業的順利 |
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相關的一些作業規範我們桃行公司有訂定根據國際民航組織以及民航局的相關規定有訂立一個防台防震實施系者作為我們的一個依據另外我們在人力配置部分會加強外部的溝通 |
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因應颱風期間的航班異動本公司會配合桃機公司及各航空公司的颱風應變計畫結論進行人力的局部調整並主動提報各時段人力到班的狀況提供給桃機公司作為應變的參考行情異常通報的部分 |
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提供給管理階層作為因應非預期航班異動的處理方面會根據實際的情況事先瞭解航班的異動然後 |
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寫請同仁以延長加班的方式來補充人力的缺口確保地面作業不受影響另外為了提高 |
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加班及到班的意願陶瓊公司針對颱風天服勤及加班的員工公司制定有用於限定現行法規的加班費跟補修的措施能提高員工的意願人力調度的基本原則 |
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會隨時根據天候、狀況、滾動式檢討、SOP加強本公司跟其他單位的橫向溝通以先客機或候機的作業順序在天氣異常的狀況下會優先配置人力資源、客機的作業以確保旅客的權益第二點在針對強化地面勤務安全的規範 |
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桃園公司依據IATA的地面作業手冊以及民航局的相關規定制定公司空測作業的規範SOP建立安全管理系統著重於空測安全之外同時也必須符合職業安全衛生的規範 |
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航空局在地停期間都有多項的作業同時進行比如行李的裝載、貨物的裝載、加油、加餐等等所以必須要大家都能夠有相互的配合避免危險的發生航跡作業區域是屬於高風險的作業區域可能造成車輛的碰撞、航跡的損傷等這些都必須很嚴格的根據依照 |
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作業規範實施作業的安全在作業安全部分剛剛有提到我們公司有建立安全管理系統收集各種風險的資料提供給第一線員工瞭解工作上的一些風險建立全員通報的系統並且獎勵同仁提報風險推動公正文化 |
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第二點是加強即便的查核機制我們公司有要求一線作業單位自行本身要針對每日的作業進行查核再加上我們有一個企業安全處也會由非一線作業人員進行即便的安全的稽查以確保整個作業上的安全幹部也會隨時 |
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進行走動式的管理隨時了解整個作業的狀況隨時提醒確保作業的安全第4點落實訓練公司會員工採取循序漸進的方式對於各種即便作業的機具的一些訓練做到精準確實的訓練以符合 |
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訓練完畢之後也會進行各項的考核在完全考核之後才能夠操作實務的操作再來最近幾年我們有提 |
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提高員工的薪資這是基於這個整個世界上在員工成本的提升也必須要提高公司的一個競爭的能力所以我們也針對員工的薪資部分也有做一些提高最後在就危害天氣現象的情況如何去做這個防範的工作 |
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逃行公司預計IATA地形作業及民航局相關規定制定本公司內部作業程序以確保異常天候狀況下的安全作業比如颱風接近的時候當地面陣風達到警戒標準時我們公司的作管中心就會以無線電通報各作業單位加強安全防護措施比如空櫃加榜 |
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拆櫃的時候的作業以及使用那個踢架時的安全另外也有加強其他根據桃機公司所提供的這個風速的資料也加強其他的安全措施比如說停放暫時停擺停放那個安全錐停止放置安全錐禁止使用踢架等等等 |
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並依照颱風警報的情況成立防台應變小組開始依據各階段的執行航空空測防台作業及空橋加榜整理空櫃擺放位置等相關預防工作以確保同仁的所有的安全以上是桃園公司的簡報 敬請各位委員指教 謝謝 |
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謝謝部長下次稍微統合一下因為其實每位委員其實想問的東西面向很多但只有本委員會也只有8分鐘大家稍微要把吸收一下好那我們現在進行合併詢答先宣告以下事項第一詢答時間初期委員6加2分鐘列舉委員4加1分鐘第二委員發言登記於10點30分前截止本委員會委員除外第三 |
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各委員如有臨時提案請10點30分前提出以便議事人員會診第4暫定10點30分休息10分鐘中午上原則上不休息現在就請登記第一位林國成委員發言好主席我現在提前提問題我還要拜託 |
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我們主席一開始就要要求所有立會的官員在做報告的時候我們不是來聽朗讀 |
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重點提示增加預算減劣預算你的特點還需要歷驗支持把重點報告有史以來委員會做報告沒有人這麼久的已經用掉我們50分鐘所以拜託我們主席雖然提醒不要那麼客氣該停就要停奇怪我們6分鐘一到你就趕快站起來 |
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他們就講了老半天所以我如果時間超過請主席也見諒好不好來請陳部長民航局何局長我們桃集公司楊董董事長好那個航軍局的邱局長邱局長 |
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好 部長我今天針對人力的問題來探討人力的問題來探討也就是現在我們一二航廈現在的人力到底夠不夠所以部長你針對這個各單位的人力配置以及現在我們一二航廈 |
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的現在的狀況到底人力夠與不夠這看你了解與否 |
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在航勤的部分我們會增加一些人力目前看起來的話一、二航廈楊董事長跟范總他們在經營的過程當中也有提過這個人力是比較吃緊一些目前他們也很希望可以再增加人力尤其最近整個航運的量一直在增加過去幾年疫情的過程當中確實有流失掉一些人才現在 |
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航運量上升之後人沒有地補上來其實我覺得對於整體的服務品質也會稍微降低那我以為您所提供的這個資料看起來可能不只是淘氣公司可能連這個航空警察局的部分也應該有些缺額 |
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所以我特別請邱大局長上來只是要提醒你為什麼會有公安的問題為什麼會有不明旅客可以到我們的機場裡面被摔死這個叫什麼這個當然警察局也有關係這個跟管理也有關係所以這個再再顯示一種第一 |
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就是所有人員怠慢二、人力不足所造成所以我們固且不談責任但是我們要把一個問題我市長會跟部長提出比較率先的問題是因為一、二航廈已知行之有年那這個人員不足當然要盡快補我現在問題看的是第三航廈我們在三年耶 |
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我們人員不足要修法耶我們到底要怎麼樣去規劃那這個部分我重點就是在商行下成立以後你們如何陸陸續續成立如何把人員補足 |
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這是非常重要我們第三航廈做好了以後是世界規模裡面算還是國際有名的一個航廈欸所以你們有沒有未以籌謀事先規劃以及如何去應對這些東西啊要特別去注意來回來那個 |
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再回來那一章我還沒講第三航廈的部分人力的增補的部分應該是在進行當中因為115年他就整體要正式來營運所以人力的部分其實目前都在規劃當中那是要漸進式的去補足的哪一個部分完成要補哪一個這個是要有規劃的楊董事長不是說我有在規劃你怎麼規劃呢要不要請楊董事長跟委員報告簡單齁 |
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非常感謝委員的關心那目前我們只有不死第三航廈的這個規劃已經超前在規劃那今年度已經開始陸續在徵聘初步規劃提供給我們本委員會的委員知道好不好這人力的問題是非常重要的是 |
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好不好那你需要部長支援你這個要牽涉到修法你不要以為你規劃出來只上當兵這個是牽涉到人員用的行政院要不要去支持行政院有沒有認同這是非常重要所以為什麼我現在就要提2027才會完工那我現在為什麼要提加上修法加上你們的規劃送一送行政院到立法院來 |
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那剛好是三年欸不要臨時爆火腳所以我特別要提醒這些或許部長每一次我跟你提的都是創新的東西不是指責因為你是年輕的部長你要有未以從某的這種部長的做法到最後才有辦法去面對這整個三行下的人力的問題好 另外一點來 何局長我請問一下 |
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本席在給你們調交通部民航局你們到底有沒有欠人在淘機的部分因為我們只有不要淘機我問你你的單位有沒有欠人目前來講我們的預算原額是有可是我們是進補好局長我不曉得立法委員給你調資料到底局長有沒有去控管為什麼我給你們調資料你們不給還有觀光署 |
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我跟你講我們交通首屬的委員調你們的資料這麼簡單的資料也不是機密請問一下為什麼不給這個應該要提供給委員的阿為什麼不給跟委員再報告一下因為我們沒有進駐在桃機的人 |
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我問你們的是交通部因為你們沒有進駐有在監督嘛你們人員不足還是會影響監督嘛人員跟員額這個都應該是公開資訊那也應該給委員沒有提供資訊對的我現在跟你講喔不提供的不提供的我已經講得很清楚是 |
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原因如果沒有告訴我立法委員很簡單調的不是機密資料不是爭議的資料怎麼怎麼怎麼會不給呢?報告委員如果我們的題目是說進駐桃機制公務機關的缺額或許民航局沒有在那邊進駐不過也應該要說明清楚不能新聞給你們你們不給 |
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要回啦一定要回我回去查清楚這個部分不要查清楚為什麼我調你們不給應該要給我是本委員會的委員跟交通有關更何況今天的議題是一樣的是需要這些人力來配置來幫你們講話為什麼不給應該要給這部分我們來檢討我跟你講 |
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我對我無所謂我不希望你對我們所有委員是這種態度因為不是機密的東西講快一點你們本來就是要公布的當你們講話還被你們在那邊調戲這什麼東西啊這個我們會來檢討好不好柏中尤其你交通部首屬其他的部會我當然有其他部會的做法是是是好另外一個何局長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
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我要問你兩個問題第一個我們無人機的檢查部分未來會越來越多無人機也是從這次大家非常重視的不管是戰略品或者無人機的遊戲機 |
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5190.323 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
5212.757 |
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現在都要檢驗行政業也要求你們要檢驗我就不曉得現在越來越多你們的編列預算跟收入預算為什麼本來是1140萬為什麼降下來870為什麼檢驗越多怎麼會收入也少然後開支也少為什麼 |
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| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
5231.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
跟委員報告有關相關的無人機檢驗來講目前譬如說像經濟部的部分是他們在檢驗那民航局的部分是兩公斤以上的部分兩公斤以上的飛航局我問的為什麼啦講的那個部分應該是雅創新興的不是 何局長 |
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5232.208 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
5256.548 |
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我坦白講你們資料不提供我就看得非常細連你們怎麼編我都很清楚你不要以為立法委員都來混的立法委員啊尤其啊我們這次很多是民意代表出身的我跟你講預算你們怎麼藏我們都很清楚但是我們都內行人我不希望你們騙立法委員應該是越誤越多 |
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| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
5286.015 |
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預算是要增加沒錯我們只能砍預算但是不是這樣要馬跑要馬吃草啊不能業務怎麼推行我們在乎的是業務不是在乎的是給不給錢的問題所以這點我希望部長還是要去監督一下最後一個我特別要提醒何局長你們國外旅遊的部分也就是國外考察 |
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5287.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
5291.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
為什麼增加這麼多為什麼本來23萬現在變成148萬原因何在 |
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5298.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
5317.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
你不曉得齁好沒有關係我只是提供我也不要圍欄你啦好不好我不要圍欄你這個就牽涉到我剛才跟主席報告的希望你們每一位首長要來立法院報告要聊露職長如何編列預算 |
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5319.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
5337.905 |
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不要照本先科這樣我們第一個其實我們也很會練啦不然你可以當部長我們也可以當立委你有兩把刷子我們也有兩把刷子所以不要照本先科我跟你講這些你們回去查一下我希望私底下給我 |
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5338.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
5365.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
給我答案不然的話我坦白跟你講在審預算的時候你不要以為立法委員只管大事考察費用的部分我請何局長特別向您報告是啦我不是怕給錢是認為有必要才花有必要當然我們支持啊所以我剛才點出這些我希望何局長回去趕快就這些問題但是我很在乎的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
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你們資料不給我我就把你資料看得更清楚我也希望部長不要因為這些小事影響你預算的大事這是我特別提醒跟特別懇求好不好好 謝謝謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝林委員也請交通部這個委員調資料的時候除了有機密要說明所有資料一定要限期要提供因為這是我們的職責好 接下來請下一位黃建浩委員發言 |
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好謝謝主席主席我們先邀請這個交通部陳世凱部長陳部長民航局何局長何局長跟我們中華航空謝董事長謝董好大家好這個一開始我想先肯定一下當然這個過去有講說這個 |
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華航的機組員空服員可以穿褲裝液體那當然現在我想這公司這邊有比較有一個明確的進展的確公布了新的這個女性客艙組員的褲裝的選項但是我們可以看到在這個華航內部的這個群組裡面我想這個 |
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過去你們公開的時候這個第一波的制服這個是由張淑萍來設計的我想問一下現在新增的這個褲裝還是由張淑萍設計嗎還是你們自己另外找廠商來設計跟委員報告這是我們自己設計的 |
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董事長你自己會不會穿這樣的衣服出門這種是事實上我們的組員有一些反應那反應了以後我們也都做改善包括如何去選擇比方說褲裝兩套裙裝一套兩套裙裝一套褲裝這我們都綜合組員的意見我們做了一些改善那這個部分事實上是我們等於是給組員一個選擇的一個自由 |
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董事長我要講的說像其實你們男裝當初當設計設計的時候就很好看了那現在女裝的部分你們重新做這個褲裝的部分我之前會提出來當然就是因為我們也是華航的這個熱愛華航的使用者嘛那當然說到很多的陳情就是說怎麼會這個服裝的色系我講色系當然色系怎麼樣當然見仁見智但以色彩來講 |
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不管是男裝女裝我想因為你們代表的是我國的這個門面嘛這個國際航空公司那我們當然希望說你們設計的設計至少一體啊如果今天換成這個庫裝的部分 |
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這個色彩也差了色彩跟這個設計上差蠻多我如果用乙圖收圖的話我跟這個董事長跟部長部長報告一下如果你去用這個新的制服、褲裝乙圖收圖收出來的大概卡通的話會像魯夫不好意思我是說真的這個乙圖收圖不是我自己講那再一半就是一些賭場的鶴館所以這部分我覺得華航作為這個 |
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我們台灣最重要的國際航空其實在設計上面應該要去考量一下專業設計師的意見那跟你們這個自己組員的意見因為我看這個這邊出來之後你們內部的留言底下留言真的非常的精彩我想大家寧願寧願不穿或差別有人甚至說寧願穿男生的也不想要穿這一張我不知道董事長這個語氣有沒有掌握到 |
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跟委員報告這個是因為要因應監察院有一個人權委員會對於這個組員的服裝的選擇我們是推出這個褲裝當然我們的制服已經用了大概十幾年了我們準備要換下一次要換的時候我們一次再來做一個修正 |
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好啦我沒有反對我說褲裝當然很好就是說進步的象徵嘛只是說這個就是說未來齁他們還會再做一次的整體的服裝的這個變更啦齁那到時候也會找專業的設計師做很漂亮的這個這個設計好提醒一下啦因為畢竟齁我想各國航空公司不然河南航空也好這個越南航空也好各家許多航空公司他們都有所謂的褲裝齁但是我想色彩上面或是整個公司形象上面它是比較一致化的那我想在這一次這個事件上看起來 |
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我覺得這個在設立上還是需要再進步一點好不好董事長 |
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好那現在同樣針對還是針對我們航空公司的排名我想2024年全球最佳航空公司的部分我想長榮進步了一名那華航退步了三名那西宇航空也從39名進步到35名那反而是華航從去年41名退到44名那我想這個這個評鑑在業界也算是算是具有指標性指標意義的所以想問一下董事長到底覺得自己為什麼我們跟這個西宇跟長榮會有這樣落差 |
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因為我個人我先講我是卡客所以我常搭華航所以我沒有搭別人所以我不知道別人怎麼樣我就覺得華航舒服但是到底發生什麼事情為什麼你們退步這麼多那個謝謝委員因為這個SKYTRACK我們本身並沒有接受他的評鑑那這個當然他評鑑我們都尊重那最主要是這樣子我們現在目前的產品還沒有一致性也就是說那個比較老舊的機型他的那個裡面的內裝是比較差一點就是說硬體設備 |
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那新的飛機呢當然都是符合標準的那這個部分等到我們所有的那個老舊的機隊全部太出以後這個時候應該是我們的產品是一致性這個時候我們再來參加他的評鑑這邊跟董事長謝謝既然提到機型的問題我想我也稍微點一下就是說到底現在不管是業界或是各界都在討論一件事情就是你們接下來換的飛機 |
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基本上很多是過去常常使用空巴的機隊你現在把它換成波音之後第一個問題是說這個波音這幾年的爭議相對比較多一點那再來是你們的這個飛行員訓練過去我想我有同學當飛行員他們知道每一種飛機每一架飛機尤其波音跟空巴是完全不同的系統 |
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所以你們在訓練飛行員的成本上面或是在舒適度上面還有主員在這個整個客艙安排上面的確就會不一樣所以到底華航要多少比例使用波音多少比例使用這個空吧你們用怎麼樣的方式來評估還是真的是政治力介入所以你們決定要來採購波音 |
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我想第一個這個政治力介入應該是沒有那我們自己在評估的時候是購機的時候我們會請那個國外的那個團隊顧問公司來幫我們評鑑幫我們評估那整個那個製造商的飛機其實嚴格講起來都是好飛機 |
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那這些飛機哪些機型比較適合於我們這個是比較重要到目前為止以公司來講的話現在空吧的比例是比波音還多那其實如果是一般來講的話大概一般的航空公司大概都是五十五十左右所以我想我們的評估是經過專業的那個而且非常審慎的評估這邊請委員回報好董事長謝謝我想這個不管是波音或空吧我想大家最做出的舒適度之外 |
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對交通部來講或對民營代表來講最重要應該是安全啦所以這部分的話這個播映的一些爭議最近有一些新聞出來我想董事長也都有看到我們希望你們要去針對這問題來解決好不好 |
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好董事長謝謝董事長可以先請回座那接下來我們談一下我們臺中國際機場的運量我想疫情之後我想這整個全臺灣的這個航空業都受到重創當然今年慢慢的有回升那我看到我們臺中國際機場的部分2019年的時候有達到282萬人次算是新高但是目前疫情過後到目前來講去年大概有回升到150萬人次但是我想這個跟 |
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樂觀的本來預估要到這個230萬人次的部分好像還是有一段時間的這個出入啦那當然就整個臺中機場的目前的規劃我們看到航班的部分主要航班都是在這個香港、澳門或是這個胡志明、越南的部分等等的就是航班數它相對比較少跟疫情前來講這個航班數減得非常非常多那甚至飛行的天數今天這個 |
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大家出國很清楚很明顯大家為什麼喜歡去桃園機場原因就是因為它可能航班的選擇性比較高但是在台中的話我可能有些天數我根本沒有飛機可以回來沒有飛機可以出去所以整個在這個調整航班的部分的話台中機場的航段民航局這邊有沒有什麼樣規劃可以讓台中機場的這個運量能夠提升要不然按照現在這種狀況來講第一個都飛比較近的地方那第二個它的航段 |
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時間點都不太好比如說這樣講好了去仁川大家很多人很多人會去韓國去採購去觀光你去仁川機場的飛機時間到那邊已經是晚上9點10點這將要出關就凌晨了嘛就深夜了嘛所以當然這個可能他的載客量他的業績就不會太好那桃機的話就不一樣他有早上的下午的晚上他都有選擇所以在台中機場的部分要怎麼樣提升我們的航段讓我們的這個這個客運量能夠提升 |
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跟委員報告第一個有關剛剛提到的就是說到仁川的飛機都是晚上主要是因為現在都是這個外籍航空譬如說即將加入的真航空或者是大韓跟德威 |
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這個部分因為他們飛寶級所以來的時候可能中午所以再回去的時候就會變晚上那這個部分在未來來講臺中的部分我們即將就是有這個沖繩的部分因為之前日本的部分大概也知道就是說有部分航線是飛了以後我們也積極在爭取就是成田跟名古也希望日本能夠盡快來達成這些都是疫情前就有的那疫情後到現在都還沒有回來 |
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對所以現在日本的部分是高松還有包含這個沖繩的部分那相關的這個仁川也會即將本來都是包機那也即將會轉為定班這個也是跟韓國協商過的部分那所以說相關的整個今年來講確實是恢復到疫情前的77%那我們預估來講希望明年可以再往前大概可以到85或90 |
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我要跟部長拜託啦就是說第一個是先把規劃的這個航空的期程是不是能夠把這個明確的期程提供給本席讓我們知道說到底後續航空在台中的航空這個航空站裡面到底有多少的航班可以飛那再也要提醒一下你們2040的設定的目標台中機場要達到1000萬人次 |
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我想2040距離現在也沒有很遠但是要達到一千萬現在才一百多萬兩百萬這樣的人次要達到一千萬我想還要很長的距離如果航班長這樣子的話我想達到一千萬是很困難的所以航班的部分我想要增加吧是不是是 報告委員航班跟航點的部分我們會持續來努力尤其跟我們的國際航空大家都在溝通那這個部分比較確定的這些航班我們可能再提供給委員 |
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好 這個部分我們來努力至少疫情前的這個航班要讓他回來吧是 是不是 好不好好 部長 局長 謝謝好 謝謝委員好 謝謝黃委員接下來有請李昆澤委員發言 |
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謝謝魯明哲召委請一下陳部長還有華航謝董事長、機場公司楊董事長、民進黨局何局長 |
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來部長這次我們的棒球隊前進東京這是國人最振奮的一件事情那當然要去到東京的這個去程是由WBSC就是世界棒壘球總會他們的安排包括我們臺灣、日本還有澳洲 |
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三個隊伍各分配到12個商務艙其他是由豪經艙或經濟艙來座位去的時候有安排回程WBSC沒有安排他僅僅協助一般的機票處理也特別謝謝蔡奇昌會長全力奔走謝謝交通部還有華航全力的協助我請問一下謝董事長 |
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來我們這次的飛機是波音777應該吧是的沒錯來那我請教部長我們這一次除了隊員之外那隊員的家屬呢是否也包含在裡面報告委員這一次他們回程的部分我們華航真的謝董非常幫忙派出777之外那我們的這個商務艙的部分可以擴增到讓球員可以坐到28席 |
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那另外委員一直在關心的就是他們的家屬包含我們隨隊的這些員工還有就是記者的部分可不可以都包含在裡面嗎對可不可以同一班飛機我們這個部分我們讓他同一班飛機華航原則上是OK的是可以做到的謝謝華航這次全力的協助那我現在要 |
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請教一下部長還有機場公司就是我們交通部應該要落實身心障礙者的這個權益的保障那不管是聯合國的CRPD就是身心障礙者權利公約在2006年就已經起草 |
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那我們身心障礙者的權益保障法在1980年它的名稱叫殘障福利法2007年修法改名正名為身心障礙者的權益保障法那身心障礙者權益保障法它有兩個重要的意義第一個就是保障身心障礙者的權益第二就是避免他們遭受到歧視或者是不公平的這個一個對待那我們來看這個 |
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身心障礙者權益保障法第38條它也有明武規定就是說公部門及公務機關必須員工總人數在34人以上者禁用具有就業能力之身心障礙者人數不得低於員工總人數的3%那我們來看接下來兩張的相片部長我請教你你覺得哪裡有什麼問題 |
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這是桃園機場公司的招聘公告那你覺得在裡面來第二張 |
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你覺得有什麼問題是 報告委員身心障礙的數量或許有達到剛剛您所說的那個3%的這個標準但是我們是不是不要把它限定在只有行政類的這個管理類的這個部分會不會值等太低啦應該是所有要開放是不是身心障礙者權益的保障不是只有這個原來的一個問題而是在於我們依照 |
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多個國際人權組織他們相關的所提出的這種間接歧視的一個定義就是說雖然法律政策或是規範的內容以中性的表達方法呈現但是卻造成特定團體啊處於不對等的一個劣勢沒錯 無論說的沒錯 |
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我們對於這樣的一個相關職位的這樣的一個禁用我認為第一個我們要落實對身心障礙者權利的保障第一個是每個職位身障者都有權利去爭取沒錯而不是限定說只能擔任某個特定工作 |
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只有限定在行政管理只是第二個為了保障鼓勵身障者擔任某些工作的這個權利其實是可以在某些領域來進行加分是這個才是更進一步具體的這樣的一個對身心障礙者的保障我要提醒楊董事長逃機是跟國際接軌重要的國家門面那出現這一種 |
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隔離政策的這樣的一個歧視的行為我認為是真的要深自檢討那1950年代美國就提出這種隔離就是歧視的概念許多判決都明確的指出雖然做一樣的事雖然做一樣的事但是出現區隔這就是歧視的行為你們在你們的招募的這個 |
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公告裡面然後說這個是身心障礙者的這個爭取的職位這就是一種堅革的歧視這就是一種隔離那我要提醒陶器必須要立即的改善 |
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第二交通部等下再統一說明交通部跟本部所轄的所有機關也要全面的檢視有沒有這樣的狀況公部門你沒有主動去保障身心障礙者尊嚴跟權益我們怎麼去要求民間來楊董事長說明一下 |
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謝謝委員的這個提醒這個公告內容我們表達的不夠清楚我們所寫的保障的那個科系的就那個專長的部分是最競爭最激烈的專長就是一般行政的部分所以我們用保障那個一般行政的禁用的員額裡面有申請障礙人數那其他的都還是一樣跟平常的情況是一樣的 |
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我們會做一個比較補充的報告在那個招生的這個這個要前逃改進我接下來請教一下民航局 |
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民航局我們當然對於飛航的改革在2015年復興航空的空難之後我們不管是飛航的系統它的安全系統或是它的這個一個操作的流程或是起降的流程有更多的這樣不管是民航局或是民間的業者都有很加強這方面的相關的改革 |
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我們看到民航局的統計我們渦輪、螺旋機、飛機全毀失事例從2016年到現在失禮直升機全毀的事故例2017年到現在失禮要繼續的保持下去當然國際的有它的一些失事例其實都是像渦輪是高達1.21 |
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2016年是平均從0.98上升到現在的1.21這個是我們要必須保持我們好的這個飛安但是我們還是有隱憂 |
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我們民航局在2023年發生的事件重大的飛航事故而造成兩人死亡這個局長應該都很清楚那雲安會有做統計近10年來飛航事故的因素跟人相關的佔了66.7與環境相關的佔了48.5與航空器相關的佔了24.2 |
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來 局長我們航空器如果發生這種航空器的緊急逃生它是運輸工具裡面最難的安全是不可忽視的那我們針對與人相關、環境相關與航空器相關局長我們有沒有具體的改善跟要求的措施 來說明一下 |
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有關跟人相關的部分就是剛剛報告也有提到的就是第一個就是操作的一個遵守這個操作手冊的部分標準作業程序的部分那第二個就是公司應該對相關的人員給予足夠的相關的資訊也好訓練也好包含相關供他們做在操作過程中所需要具備的一個專業 |
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那我想這個是人的部分我們要去做一個更完善因為人的部分其實所有的事件發生一定都跟人有關因為這個人在操作所以這個部分是我們長年以來一直在追求的部分就是希望在人的造成的因素的部分來降低 |
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好 局長您也提到人的因素了我們來看看我們相關飛航的安全業務的檢查人力其實是缺乏的 而且是心血不足那從運安會的報告我們可以得知人員的狀況及這種導航的因素是我國飛航事故的主要原因我們民航安全業務各類檢查員的年齡分佈他平均年齡是54歲 |
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其實是有點偏高了另外更重要飛航管制員的員額統計我們編制員額是589人那預算的員額有480人那現有員額是385人我要提醒局長值班時數平均是將近200個小時遠超過國際的平均120小時 |
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這種飛航安全的檢察員或者是管制員他跟飛安關係是最為密切的那我們看到人力不足超時工作或是造成這種過度的頻繁是會嚴重的影響飛航我必須很嚴格的提醒局長我們民航局有掌握這種狀況嗎有沒有什麼改善的措施 |
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跟委員報告第一類就是這個飛安檢查員的部分因為我們要求的航機務相關的檢查員都要在基本上有一個資格條件就是在業界應該有相關的飛航時數或者是經驗年資所以在這個部分他進來的時候其實已經有相當的一個時間所以進來的時候大概應該都是40幾歲以上 |
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那在進來之後呢因為我們有採兩種一個是約聘或公務員那報考公務員的部分就是我們知道他其實他的專業跟一般是不一樣所以我們特別去設了民航特考的類科供這一些人報考那第二個就是約聘的部分我們就盡量招聘不過近年來尤其疫情過後其實是比較警長我清楚了所以我講 |
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跟你講重點就是說我們的值班時數都將近200個小時遠遠超過國際平均的120小時管制員的部分我們是行政院有給我們員額163分5年合撥那5年進來後其實因為他續念招考大概要11個月的時間才能上線所以陸續目前今年也會再招考31個就是說每一年30個5年從110年到115年 |
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加強飛安好不好加強飛安那從2015年復興航空空難當時我還代表家屬跟復興航空談判相關的這個賠償事宜這個是永久的傷痛我們不希望再發生這樣的事情所以我們對飛安必須要嚴格的要求以上請部長嚴格的督促好 謝謝委員 |
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好謝謝李昆哲委員做以下宣告待會發言到陳樹葉召委發言完畢之後休息10分鐘接下來有請許富奎委員發言謝謝主席有請我們交通部陳部長、民用局何局長、中華航空協董事長 |
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部長、局長、董事長早安那我想這個12強棒球賽實在是讓這個臺灣的社會這個真的是這個很激憤那尤其最近這個昨天大家到今天一直在討論就是所謂的一個班級的一個 |
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目前回程的機票大概平均一個人大概多少錢? |
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這樣子啊那個去程如果去的人買來回的話買來回票的話沒有多少錢的問題因為台灣這邊已經買完了除非是去程做的是單程那回程沒有票的我們會在網路上讓他訂那訂的話你訂到什麼倉庫就付什麼價錢因為很多年輕人齁這個哇哇叫啦說這個票太貴了也沒有啦我們有考量到這個問題啦 |
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這個請委員放心這個雖然有市場機制但是華航身為國家隊其實都蠻體恤大家不過這一點還是要請部長跟局長這邊還有我們董事長這邊幫忙因為這次真的是一個這個協調的過程當然時間很短那未來面對這樣的一個情形我們是不是有一個更 |
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嚴謹的一個SOP的一個處理的一個機制然後未來包含跟我們的國級的航空還有跟這個外國的一個機場的協調部分部長這邊有沒有什麼樣的想法報告委員其實我們這一次民航局跟華航都相當的幫忙尤其民航局也跟 |
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不只是華航跟其他的航空公司也都在協調那這個過程其實啟動的速度算是蠻快那不過每一個航空公司的狀況不太一樣我們也不能夠去強制要求一定要換大飛機或者是要增加航班因為這也牽涉到跟日本那邊或者是我們要去的目的地的國家的這個機場能不能地勤能不能負荷的問題 |
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那不過委員在建議的SOP就是未來如果國家有這樣重要的賽事的時候可能我們民航局就先提高警覺馬上注意到那如果有好消息傳出的時候我們需要出國去比賽的時候這個部分民航局會馬上來啟動 |
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因為我們都期待我們臺灣的隊伍都有機會打進國際賽那也應該要做一個超前部署的一個準備是是好謝謝那另外我想我們都很羨慕尤其我們左院長大概這個月8號有到小港機場去視察那也關心我們這個第一期第二期這個高雄國際機場航廈的一個進入那部長這部分應該如期沒有問題嗎 |
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小港機場的這個改建計畫是沒有問題的目前都在進度當中這個不會延遲對 但是這邊我還是要提醒部長一下因為我們常常提到所謂的一個南台灣的這個科技狼帶也好還是觀光的一個發展也好屏東都不能置身事外也不能被排除在外那小港機場有做一個國際化的一個機場的一個條件但是我還是要提到我們屏東有兩個機場一個屏東機場還有一個我們的武力艇機場 |
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那我們在交通委員會考察的時候那當然也特別拜託部長跟我們的局長針對肯定機場這個未來的一個方向是不是有一個比較一個活化的一個策略那部長我想這個包含屏東縣政府我們鄒縣長也好還有我們的觀光業者還有很多鄉親還是期待這個包機能夠重啟這個包機飛航的這個部分 |
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那但是我在想民調局當然有很多的考量那局長上次我們委員會考察完之後有沒有一個更新的一個進度 |
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我想當然各界是希望有包機不過這個部分我們民航局還是會看看怎麼來推動它不過它真的它有它的市場性那不過短期來講的話我們跟觀光署已經有討論因為觀光署明年會在這個恆春半島有一個振興計畫然後包含這個陸海空的部分所以我們會搭配觀光署跟這個恆春建成150週年來看看如何推動這個部分 |
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好部長我想我們還是希望能夠去做一個短中長期的一個規劃跟火花的一個計畫包含短期我們應該專案我們的一個輕航機的一個長訓的一個基地還有作為一個無人機的一個訓練考照場那中期我們應該獎勵上路飛機能夠進駐然後也事辦我們屏東到臺北的一個包機的獎勵 |
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那長期當然我們是希望針對一個機場的一個跑道的延伸還有增加一個側風跑道的規劃讓我們大型的班機能夠來做一個起降那甚至未來推動國際包機跟搭配一個衛星的一個產業發射基地在屏東那目前有沒有可能我們來做一個跳島飛行的一個規劃包含恆春到蘭嶼、恆春到金門或是恆春到馬祖的一個航線的一個考量局長這部分有沒有可能來 |
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跟我們航空公司來協調一下有關委員講的要從恆春飛蘭嶼跟恆春跟金門因為這些都是比較新的航線就是委員提出來的那這個部分要包含它的航機等等的部分我們再來做整體的評估然後看看航空公司有沒有意願做這樣的一個飛航 |
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對 其實武力群機場的條件很好尤其我們今年6月我們辦了青陽機的這個飛行體驗真的是秒殺所以很多人對這個空中的一個旅遊的一個所謂的一個喜好度還是很高不過因為這個我們活化的部分上次因為我有提過我們的租金算得太貴了所以變成一些民間的團體他不敢來 |
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部長這個我們來研究看怎麼降低到可以鼓勵大家吸引大家進去那邊辦活動因為我們是希望能夠把遊客帶進來既然有民間社團或是我們官方的單位願意辦活動我們應該要樂觀其人來協助這部分我想住進的部分是不是可以營一個比較適妥的方式 |
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好 我們來研議針對不同的對象 我們來研議看看如何做調整對 讓他有吸引力 要讓他有吸引力其實我們現在的收費已經很低了 其實已經打蠻低了不過我們再看看啦 就是說也要再合規對啦 有一些有公立性質或是一些委員如果有這方面的團體 有這方面的需求其實可以直接來跟民航局講 那民航局來協助看什麼樣的費用比較符合他們的需求這樣 |
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部長那我請教我們竹田我們屏東縣政府有規劃一個無人機的飛行場部長有去過嗎這個我沒去過很棒這個環境很棒那我今年我前陣子大概有去看了一場就是我們這個無人機的一個體驗的一個活動那包含從這個國小的小朋友一直到很多的老人家他們都很喜歡這個無人機的一個操作但是很可惜的就是因為我們現在一個定義的考照的部分 |
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當地沒辦法做一個常態化那其實我們很多南部的考生必須跑到雲林這點有點可惜啦那這部分是不是可以請民用局來協助部分包含一個考照的一個制度還有一個場地的其實那個我們那個無人機的場地可以再做一個更大的一個規劃跟一個改善的空間這部分是不是可以請民用局來做一個協助 |
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因為確實比較大型的其實它是目前來講如果要有的話其實是真的要到這個雲林那一邊因為它因為機型不同大小不同所以每個場地有那因為如果比較大型對周遭的一個相關的要有第一個要有周遭環境的淨空等等 |
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所以他有一些條件那我們再來看看這個部分也要相關的所以我還是建議部長跟局長找個時間來參觀一下那利用真的是非常好的一個場域尤其我覺得像我們無人機的考照真的是很多的這個不管是這個小朋友也好學生也好甚至到我們的很多的青年人甚至中年人都很喜歡這樣那尤其我們現在結合所一個農業的一個操作 |
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跟所謂的一個未來的一個很多一個商業的一個是他們會舉辦無人機足球賽非常非常的精彩這部分再請部長來這邊來協助那最後一個我想 |
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我們有一個民間民眾有在一個公共政策網路有提到一個所謂一個開放寵物進入客艙的一個提案那我們民用局這邊有回應說已經請國籍的航空公司參考國外來做一個評估那不曉得這個案子目前的進度 |
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是吳前河局長跟委員報告目前業者的評估國際業者的評估據理都收到了那因為相關的這個他們考整個業者在考量的時候因為其實主要部分就是包含寵物的一個相關的一個處理然後包含這個 |
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其實主要還是有一個其他旅客的一個接受度然後再來就是航空公司端他對於這個航空器裡面空氣的循環等等相關的一些搭配所以目前參考其他國家來講就是說一些航空公司其實尤其跟這個我們業者有相關聯營的有部分航空公司也沒有提供所以如何讓這個讓航空公司願意來 |
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進行專題報告． |
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帶進來的那也有其他旅客因為他的毛髮造成他的旅客的問題所以這個部分還是相關意見其實各方意見都很多然後相關意見其實還是要需要時間來說還是需要審慎評估好這部分我想還是請民用局這邊應該要做盡快做一個公告因為這個畢竟這個貓小孩的這個議題也是很多人在關心這部分還是需要一個比較明確一個方向好謝謝好謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝許委員接下來有請陳樹葉召委發言謝謝主席 請主席 邀請部長還有何局長還有桃機公司楊董事長楊董事長 |
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部長早安我們知道這個桃機桃園機場是我們國家的很重要的一個門戶所以我們也知道桃機公司都有參與國際機場的一個評比 |
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主要我們參加的兩個組織就是國際機場協會的全球機場服務品質調查還有英國航空公司Skytrax全球百大機場的評比我們看到在 |
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就是國際機場協會的全球機場服務品質調查裡面它的滿分是5分那在這連續的5年我們的這個評比幾乎都是比較穩定的那可是我們看到這個全球百大機場的排名從108年一直到這個112年是逐步下滑而且是下滑 |
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| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
中華航空局局長 |
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對我們整個機場服務的一個品質當然是有一點的鼓勵可是我們也是希望就是說桃機公司在這邊應該還有很大的一個努力的空間那我先想請教一下部長就是說對這個整個桃園機場那個服務品質的部分你有什麼看法或想法 |
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7550 |
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報告委員 桃機公司其實都很努力不過我看這個數字上面從108年到113年我們現在是66名那雖然比前兩年有進步但我覺得這個進步的速度不夠快那也大概不一定能夠符合國人的需求跟想法所以我們在想說這個未來三行下如果建制完成之後那包含整個人力進駐完備之後可不可以讓我們的整體的這個機場的服務能夠再更優化 |
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這個部分我覺得桃機公司現在正在做努力也就是說第三航廈雖然還沒建制完成但是前置的作業他們目前都正在準備那現在雖然是只有一、二航廈不過一、二航廈目前的服務品質能不能在新航廈完成之前先優化這個部分其實我覺得桃機公司應該要花更多的心思下去思考以現在的狀況看怎麼讓它更優化那三航廈起來之後那是三航廈之後的事 |
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對部長說的沒錯了因為第3行下畢竟還要到2027年才會完工那到底是不是能夠如期還不曉得所以在第1、第2行下的一個優化我覺得是非常重要的而且是刻不容緩那我們也看到就是說我們這個機場目前也有就是推動這個智慧機場就是自助行李托運的設備使用可是我覺得這個也是一個時代的一個需求這也是剛剛部長所說的優化的一個部分 |
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那可是我們看到就是說有關自助行李的托運其實這個在其他國外就是外國的很多國際機場事實上也都是運用很普及了那我們看到其實我們國內在這個部分使用率卻是偏低的 |
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報告委員其實這個自動 |
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自助的行李托運可以加快整個機場運作的速度那過去的平均是大概4%而已其實相當的低那今年已經上升到8%不過還是你上面的標題是一樣的還是極低啦還是極低那這個部分除了盡量宣導之外就是航空公司的配合可能我們也要加強跟航空公司這邊來溝通怎麼樣鼓勵他們的這個旅客願意來用這個自助行李托運的這個部分那是不是董事長要不要補充一下 |
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市長補充一下正如剛剛委員提到的還有很大的成長空間對進步空間那臺灣的旅客有個特性就是我們的團客特別多是那團客的部分的資助行李托運就要看他的這個促銷或者是我們的鼓勵措施那航空公司或者是旅行社是一個相當的重要的一個協助的單位那這個部分我們會繼續努力那剛剛部長已經特別提到從去年開始使用有獎勵措施以後從4.7的 |
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百分比提升到10月份今年到10月份是8.1%左右但是這個幅度還會再增加所以我們會繼續努力 |
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是好我想我們每一個人的那個經驗都一樣就是最不喜歡排隊所以你如果等到我覺得是說不管是掛行李啦或者是在通關的時候露出鏡的時候大排長龍啊我想都會讓民眾覺得不耐煩所以我覺得說在每一個環節加快這個處理一個程序我覺得這個讓 |
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這個乘客就是旅客的感受是很大的所以那我們也知道就是說其實在整個評比的項目裡面我想這個楊董事長應該也很清楚就是包括登機手續或者抵達轉機購物安檢入出境登機所有的程序每個環節我想這個都是我們需要再去好好再做一個就是檢視看是不是還有可以再改進 |
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目前還沒有列入評比項目 |
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目前還沒有進入到未來的這個標準項目裡面去不過桃園機場在探盤查探認證的努力我們已經開始好幾年那到目前為止已經把機場裡面的這個探盤查我們做到了第三階段的探盤查現在今年正在做第四階段那個代表的意義是說我們自己的排碳量之外在機場服務共同服務共同會用這個場域裡面的排碳量或者是我們的員工進出的交通系統 |
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使用的這種交通工具它也有碳排量所以我們整個機場裡面的共同使用機場或者是服務的這些單位我們一起在努力當中那希望在未來的新規範出來之前我們已經做好了準備是好我們也要事先做好準備了那我們也看到就是說在114年度我們也有針對剛剛楊董事長所說的第4個階段第4期的一個機場認證計畫有編列所需的一個經費 |
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所以我們也期待就是說我們做好準備那未來當然就是說評比的項目也列入的話因為我想這個是未來的一個時代趨勢也有可能不久也會列入一個評比的一個項目裡面好那再來本席想關心一下有關地商行下的一個工程進度的問題 |
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因為我有關心就是這個第三航廈就是有關未來在跟第三航廈一二跟三的這個之間的旅客的一個接駁的這樣子的一個方式目前我們是採用就是自駕電動巴士的這個系統那這個也已經招標發包出去了 |
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那我們看到就是說目前得標的廠商是承運公司可是在得標之後目前你更換他的就是合作的這個分包廠商就是李立公司那我不曉得說這樣子的程序合法嗎是不是請部長回覆一下 |
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這個齁 其實淘擠公司都已經在研議當中也都在瞭解整個過程那包含魯昭偉之前也都有提到這個案子那這個部分我們現在積極正在處理當中下個禮拜應該會做一個決定這個部分目前承運公司已經正式提出要求那淘擠公司收到這個我們在處理當中按照合約的規定與法律的規定來處理 |
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是 那目前我們還沒有同意他變更就對了沒有 這個沒有同意他好 因為就本席所看到的資料裡面就是這個工程會的說明就是按照採購法第36條第一項的話他是不能夠更換的嘛 是不是那如果是按照第二項的話就是說這個更換的新廠商如果優於原來的這個分包廠商是可以更換的嘛這是例外嘛 是不是 |
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那當然就是說這個部分也有賴這個你們主管機關跟專業的機關去審核到底他要更換的未來的廠商合作廠商據說是公研院是不是由於原來的李立公司這個當然就是要你們去把關不過本席比較關心的當然就是這個安全的問題是 |
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就是說有關自駕電動巴士接駁系統我們在不管是監理法規或者是配套措施是不是都已經完備了是不是請部長說明一下 |
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機場公司的這個自駕車的系統他是在一個封閉系統裡面所以跟相關的其他的建立法規他有不一樣的這個使用場域的這個限制我們比較安全那是沒有問題這點在技術上面是不是問題那我們現在遭遇到的困難已經在處理當中那現在會不會因為這樣子的一個處理影響到第三航廈未來的使用這點我們會特別注意而且會有一個配套備案會先準備好 |
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至於說合約處理的部分我們按照採購法的規定來處理目前這個承運公司也向公務工程委員會提出了申請要求調處那目前工程會也在處理當中 |
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是就是因為這個國際機場真的就是國家的門面那未來就是就是不管是國內旅客、國外旅客那在這個接駁的這個過程當中我們真的希望就是說這個安全性我們一定要非常的一個重視所以這個技術上的一個成熟度或者是不是有實際的一個時機我覺得這個都是非常重要要去考量的一個部分好 謝謝好 謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝陳樹葉召委那先溫馨提示一下這個待會休息期間因為我們隔壁鄰居202的那個會議室人口密度比較高一點巷道稍微狹窄一點其實我們通過的這個所有官員速度稍微快一點那廁所不夠用的話可以建議往上走或者到一樓去好 我們現在開始休息10分鐘 |
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有限公司董事長有限公司董事長有限公司董事長 |
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對,你已經推車之後,它才15分鐘,所以它還沒開動我沒有,我可以進來問議員,你怕那個航空會有氣象嗎?沒有,靠前鋪車沒有太多了 |
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本會議的主席 |
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本期視頻就介紹到這裏了﹗ |
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本期視頻就分享到這裏 |
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有限公司董事長有限公司董事長有限公司董事長有限公司董事長 |
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議員會議員會議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
本期視頻就介紹到這裏了﹗ |
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其實那一天結婚的關係是類似的好那有些被叫英雄活得不活得好但因為其實他們再怎麼樣就是再好因為民眾你知道嗎 |
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好 大家請坐我們繼續開會 接下來有請許智傑委員發言謝謝主席 我們請部長陳部長還有民航局長何局長 |
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部長你知道那個高雄飛成田機場那個機票大概多少錢嗎高雄飛成田機場這個機票我不知道多少錢沒買過機場知不知道最近的 |
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平常差不多都一萬塊一萬塊你知道現在多少錢你知道嗎最近可能因為那個大家想要去看比賽所以可能價格都調升了三萬九千對我在網路上也有看到一些桃園飛日本東北的所以你可以看這個我們南高屏的球迷真的是很辛苦單層那你看這個就是臺北桃園飛 |
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日本成田或者是羽田他們從小飛機改大飛機多了不少位置那當然就價格又比較低去的人又比較多那有沒有機會 |
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趕快拜託局長拜託航空公司有沒有機會就是說我調大飛機那這樣子我的票價可以降低你看我從一萬到三萬九直飛那你看那個價格阿現在好像剩下幾個啦各位數的票數啦各位數的機位所以這個其實你看有這麼大的需求阿但是呢 |
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又貴又沒有辦法達到那麼多人去有沒有機會這個是不是拜託民航局長拜託一下這個由民航局去跟各航空公司來協調看看是不是請局長 |
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有關就是這一次這個棒球到東京的部分其實民航局已經協調過好幾輪那我想有關高雄的部分因為還有幾天嘛我們也再協調看看好不好就盡量你看我們盡量來跟航空公司協調就是同樣的班次同樣的時間就是把飛機加大那我去的人可以增多價格可以減少那不是很好的事嗎 |
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好不好 這個拜託部長跟局長辛苦一點為我們南高屏 這不只是為我們高雄其實台南、屏東、南高屏都喜歡到我們都很喜歡去啊你看現在票價漲到三萬九真的是嚇死人好不好 這個拜託部長跟局長幫忙協助好 那第二個部長你知道那個臺北的大邱都有那個多元支付嗎這個我知道知道齁 |
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你知道高雄機場都沒有嗎委員在說的是這個排班的部分那現在應該已經有一些計程車他已經有這個刷卡機了昨天我已經有跟前天還跟部長講過第一個排班計程車有沒有機會讓他不要說很久還要多多的一百通口要有一個基本的讓他划算的價格讓他划算的價格他才願意來排班嘛因為來排班也才能夠解決出入境旅客 |
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那現在第三個就是如果能夠再有多元支付其實真的是方便達成 |
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這個已經有引進多元支付了有引進了沒問題了嗎跟委員報告有關高雄排班計程車其實他現在已經有部分車輛有這個多元支付那我們現在已經請他們還是持續鼓勵他們希望都能夠去裝這個多元支付是啊因為我現在我去還要挑說欸那個有多元支付的優先來排班排在後面是 |
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那這樣子其實他們又會吵架啦所以這個部分是不是請局長也協助解決一下我們再來協助第三個就是我們的那個高雄機場的興建事實上這個問題其實蠻大的現在半半施工啦半半施工就是說地勤能量夠不夠然後呢 |
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外籍其實我去拜訪了大概有十幾家航空公司的那有一些也想來但是他說那我們沒有辦法過夜因為那個停機坪空間可能不夠然後第三個呢這國際業者其實我們去拜訪的時候也有表示說如果可以有空間他們願意來高雄設基地那現在如果辦辦施工要16年 |
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那16年這三個問題有沒有機會解決?如果沒有機會解決,高雄機場可能就會萎縮。報告委員,這個過程確實是半半失功,因為我們邊改要邊飛航,那這三個問題是不是現在可以幫忙解決?先預把這個問題找出來,因為你現在沒有想到這個問題,你半半失功16年這個問題都沒有想到的話,高雄小港機場的飛機一定會萎縮。 |
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地勤的部分目前是台勤嗎?目前只有一家?台勤跟長勤 |
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場景是他們只能做自己的對 只做自己的台警是通通可以其他都可以支援其他航空公司都可以那我說的這三個理由這三個問題就是局長可能比較熟有沒有機會解決我想地勤的代理能量因為它是業務操作所以如果有業者來當然他能量需要擴充他會業者會去擴充那可是這個過業機品的部分確實誠如剛剛委員所說的因為我們這個滑行道要北移 |
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所以說有一些工地確實是會吃到這個機坪的位置不過我們透過那個時間帶協調的機制就是把相關的機坪所謂時間帶就是我們盡量把這個監理風航班的監理風把它拉平所以我順便提到底下就是我們其實該設一個目標不過16年齁人們一想到16年頭殼都崩起來 |
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那我這16年裡面比如說我停車場工程的完成電動步道的完成滑行道北移停機坪空間的增加等等我是不是可以把這16年 |
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在切割成幾個兩年兩年兩年或四年四年兩年四年等等的就是說我讓人民知道說我這個機場雖然在改製雖然在半班施工但是我這些問題其實我逐步在解決這個部分其實我覺得優先要想到的就是停機坪的問題啦 |
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如果這個沒有辦法過夜如果沒有辦法設基地那我高雄的飛機顯然在這16年之內很明顯一定會decay我在這邊可以大膽的做這樣子的預測但是今天身為部長跟身為局長一定是不忍心看到我高雄機場在沒落嘛 |
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那這三個問題就是應該要在辦辦施工的過程當中還要再想到這個問題然後如何在我這個 要對三個方面你知道為什麼嗎我今天辦辦施工我還有怎麼樣的機會來撬出一些空間對不對我來處理這個問題要不然一定是高雄市場未來一定會跌下來 |
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我跟委員報告其實確實像委員講我們其實這個停車場工程跟這個A滑行道北一其實它是航廈主體工程的前置工程等於是說它也是分階段技術上讓局長去克服那我的意思是需求上的問題有沒有辦法克服 |
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我們盡量把這個半班施工因為航廈還是營運我們盡量來做我瞭解委員剛剛講其實也是我們在思考的就是說如何讓所有的工程在進行中降低對營運的影響甚至它發展的影響好 局長你知道我意思嗎這個部分如果你沒有現在就開始想我就告訴你16年後我就是阿國永我就路來路這三條線就跑出來了所以你現在就要開始去著手思考我今天提的這些問題 |
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你如何去解決然後提早因應這些問題的產生我講外資航空要過夜是沒那麼簡單啦國際業者要有航空機器也沒那麼簡單啦你真的沒想我這16年就是第一我就在那邊死在那邊嘛我沒有成長的空間沒有替代的空間沒有怎麼樣去彌補這個問題產生我有任何解決的方案 |
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這樣我一十兩年就後裔了是不是其實不會就就那麼那個當然啦我們不會讓他下滑我們會預作準備會維持他目前的營運我就是先把這個問題點出來我想局長比我還內行局長也知道這個問題啦那部長可能還不是那麼清楚那為什麼要在這裡問為什麼要在這裡讓部長也知道 |
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那當然要給局長一點壓力啦這個問題你不解決就是問題一定要想個辦法因為幫忙事關所以我都沒辦法我兩手一攤那我就覺得 |
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不行做工程一定要就是長遠要思考我們希望能夠邊改邊發展對然後也要把解放也想出來比如說你看那個人家其他的機場你看這哈羅基基的這有嗎這新加坡的啦 |
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加上這個卡打你看人家機場都會想說我16年後或者是我在這幾年我怎麼樣去增加這些東西你包括泰國你看他們現在可以少連免登機站就是主要機場清邁4年完成目標24 |
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小石新加坡現在可以第一個免護照通關系統阿高雄機場、台北機場、松山機場、甘霧阿我高雄機場現在在改造、改建我這些東西、先進的東西我要先收進來 |
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所以你看包括所有的其他額外的service那當然就是說我曾經邀求過美食街交通局旅館我也知道民航局有在思考但是呢現在我可能希望你們思考更多啦是可以做的因為說實在這12年後一個新的基金完成這半年半年慢慢思考我如果沒有想到這個問題想去放到時候出來的東西我沒有 |
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你所提醒的這個美食街的部分有在盤點空間目前正在盤點它裡面的機場的空間如果盤點出來之後那就看有沒有常常願意進駐我今天提這兩個基點的圖案部長有跟交通部看就是說你是在跟世界比較包括你看這個少年免簽證這現在不是很困難 |
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現在AI辨識系統就已經很好的了,其他國家都沒辦法,泰國也沒辦法做,我們台灣AI算是比人更強的地方,更有可能沒辦法做所以就是說,今天航線的問題我沒時間講了,我先講到這裡啦,就是說我希望說,我們真的做事情都要想前行啦 |
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我相信部長年輕有為我沒有參與政策你還在政策界所以你要看比我更久我們在看前面就是說我12年後我也70歲了但是我們現在開始看12年後的問題我們現在開始一項一項要去最起碼做到12年後完成以後我們變成國際性人偶遇的事情我們要有這個報復 |
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接下來有請林沛翔委員發言 |
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好 謝謝主席 有請陳世凱部長跟我們樓基的楊董事長 |
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部長、董事長我在看我們今天的報告的時候我覺得我看到的是一個充滿的企圖心甚至野心的桃園機場公司喔因為呢從2024年我們看到的這個預算是我們是負22億到2025年我們居然就可以正收60億 |
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9537.762 |
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這句話表示說我們中間還要付15億的所得稅這個是預算書裡面都寫的再包括說等於是如果我們這樣精算起來的話在一年之間桃園機場會成長率獲利成長率高達400%那我想請問一下我們怎麼做到這個事情啊這個聽起來一年之內從負債22億直接跳到正資產60億收入請問怎麼做到跟委員報告 |
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今年就已經轉正了所以今年稅前的營運大概估計會到七八十億好 那想請問一下我們今年人次大概多少我們今年桃園機場的人總人次多少大概會4400多萬上關到4500萬那2023年呢 |
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3535那是實際的數量實際的數量所以1月到7月我們拿到的數字是多少到底是2700萬還是1500萬的人次 |
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因為我現在這邊有兩份報告完全資料不一樣從今年1月到7月桃園機場到底是15000萬人次還是2700萬人次應該不只1500萬2700萬人次好那我想請問中間我們台灣現在講說750萬的觀光人次對吧那中間經過桃園機場有多少 |
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呃 這裡面因為我們的旅客人數裡頭有包括觀光跟我們國內的建築那可能詳細的數字我們還在分析那個750萬國外觀光客裡面多少來自從桃園機場轉機的或者從桃園機場來台灣的轉機的旅客大概300、400萬左右 |
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所以那我想請問 為什麼請部長上來想請問那明年的觀光人數 觀光人次預計是多少今年1200萬很可惜的沒法達標那今年差不多到最後應該是750萬左右那明年呢 現在就應該準備明年的報告委員如果要說設定明年的目標的話我跟觀光署他們的說法是說我們希望今年沒有達到的目標今年他們設定是1000萬沒有達到的目標我希望明年可以達到1000還是1200 |
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他們今年有修正到1000萬我希望今年的這個1000萬沒有達標明年就要達標要做到明年的這個1000萬的目標據我所知道據我所查到的資料來講的話我記得桃園機場差不多有全臺灣差不多九成到九成五左右的國際旅客都會到桃園機場來入境 |
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那如果是這樣講的話那目前來講桃園機場以這個數字來推的話也是相當是差不多720萬到700萬都是所以變成桃園機場目前的你說現在多少幾萬人次44004000多跟委員報告明天可能是我們超過4000萬的日子就今年對所以變成說要再多加700萬 |
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到今年的年底4400萬是總運量那到今年的年底我們本來定的目標是4500萬那現在這個明天如果到達4000萬可能到年底跟4500萬的差距是相當小的那有可能會超過但是因為那個要看後面的這個時段明年你們的預算4723那這數字我想請問怎麼來的 |
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只是因為當初2019年的時候因為醞釀到這個程度所以你們就設定這個程度嗎不是我們因為疫情之後掉下來以後開始在復甦階段那復甦階段那是很難預估的所以我們在早期的時候剛開始復甦的時候速度會比較快那其他的國際機場我們也看到他們的統計數字 |
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慢慢的就會減緩那我們希望明年的4723是我們現在定的目標但是在疫情之前我們的4868、69是我們曾經到達的高點那我們的自己努力的目標是要4869是歷年來最高了對那我們現在自己內部的努力目標是希望能夠百分之百的恢復但是這個要還有一些需要待觀察的地方 |
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以目前的進度估算我們是在2027年開始運轉所以工程的施工目前正在趕工當中我們在2026年希望能夠工程完工那有半年的時間要有一個施運轉的階段 |
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所以變成是說在20如果說你們要能夠確切能夠破所謂的4869這個障礙的話可能要等到2027年才可以如果明年的4723可以達到後年4869就一定會破 |
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不過如果這樣同時之間那變成是觀光人數觀光人次來台的觀光人次你們也要變成是這邊就布裡面也要因為現在旅客也要增加然後當然我們整體的運量也要增加其實第二個因為本席曾經在國外留學也在國外任職過所以我知道有一塊似乎是交通部也好還是桃機我不知道有沒有考慮過有關大型的國際會議中心在機場附近這個構想有這個構想過嗎 |
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因為臺灣的利益位置剛好是在亞洲的東亞的中心點那其實如果說像說我知道香港、上海、東京當然他們是因為自己有自己的產業但是似乎對於大型會議中心最後面我們都必須到臺北像是不管是世貿也好還是南港展覽館也好去辦上大型會議中心但是如果可以省掉這半個小時到一個小時的車程直接把大型會議中心留在機場附近或者是中小型的會議室留在機場附近是不是有更好的 |
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是不是會有更好的發展呢是 報告委員您的這個想法其實非常的好那淘汰公司我剛剛有詢問他們也確實有在做這樣的我們也有在評估範圍裡面但是這個還沒有做定案因為是這樣講就是說如果說大型會議像說NVIDIA那個黃仁勳來的時候的確需要大型的場館但是很多時候只是兩邊忽然需要見個面 |
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那其實這樣的客源是有的而只是過來開會的客源以前我記得兩岸相對比較緩和的時候那時候我們國際會議也比較多那當然我這邊也必須強調都上次我提過的關職航點如果能恢復的話會對於說這個兩岸的客源不管是觀光客還是台商回來會方便很多但是同時 |
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但是另外一方面如果說他們並不是要直接進來臺灣並不想說直接到世貿而是單純的在一個點在這個機場附近如果能夠見面讓他們能夠實質上展開會議的話或許對於我們對他們來講是非常方便辨明的事情但是對我們來講是一個很好的經驗開拓部長您認為呢是我認為這個是非常正面的一個 |
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該做的事那桃機公司也確實是在考慮這件事只是現在還沒有定案因為我們桃園機場是我們的主要機場主要機場旁邊應該要有會展中心或者是會議中心的這個設置其實對很多的國際旅客來講會是一個方便的事情那這個部分桃機公司也確實有在研議那之後研議的狀況可能也把委員的建議 |
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我為什麼特別提這一塊就是說其實如果我記得像其他的機場公司經營的時候在有關客運上面來講很重要的一塊不會只有是說一般來的觀光客或者是其他來這邊因為老實講shopping這個東西基本上是因為你在這個 |
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顧客的這個旅客的習慣上面你必須在機場附近久所以你會在那邊是另外一種附加價值出來的商城但是如果說我們講到會議中心的話會有人因為台灣的地理位置環境或因為轉機的方便而特地跑來這邊開個會然後之後再離開我覺得既然有這塊商機我在國外看過有這樣的進行的話 |
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其實桃園機場公司既然現在已經是公司化經營以盈利為主的話其實這一塊商機就不應該放過或許這樣可以一方面增加我們人次一方面增加我們的獲利能力是沒有錯委員的建議非常的好那桃機公司這邊也會做研究然後之後再跟委員報告他們研究跟討論的過程好謝謝好謝謝委員好謝謝林委員接下來有請游浩委員發言 |
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謝謝趙偉那有請部長好陳部長 |
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好部長好那部長就是剛才延續許多委員在質詢請教這個大家現在四方十二強那在這次協調班機主要是希望能夠擴大這個加大這個型號能夠讓更多的我們的臺灣的球迷啊能夠去日本那有提到就是臺灣機場的飛日本有剛才有委員關心高雄飛日本那我想問一下 |
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第一就是中台灣中張頭有沒有辦法增加班次或是能夠增加更多的球迷在中台灣可以出發以及包括目前因為時間也快到了那我是不是想說就是北中台這個目前的增加的班級以及班級的載客數是不是可以再重新說一下尤其包含中台灣 |
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報告委員其實這幾天民航局在協調的過程當中是跟各航空公司都在協調希望能夠增加臺灣飛到東京的運量所以包含北、中、南都有去協調目前為止 |
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目前為止只有桃園我們目前華航公司幫忙把那個航班的這個飛機把它加大所以增加了不少的座位包含圍城的部分其實華航公司也非常幫忙但是目前委員比較關心的是臺中機場臺中機場它目前沒有飛成田的 |
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那接著的話簡短的請部長回應一下就是新聞報導這承包第三航廈能源中心案東元電經總經理涉案列被告那地檢署18日發動第二波偵查作為 |
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那就想是不是讓部長跟就是機場公司這邊簡短回應立場跟以及對於第三航廈的進度還民眾擔心會不會有影響報告委員目前我有在新聞上面看到這個案子那我想一切就是依法來辦理啦如果有違法的事證有違法的事情我們完全就是配合司法單位的辦理那我相信淘氣公司也都配合司法單位的這個調查這個部分沒有問題 |
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有違法一定要抓那另外就是針對進度的部分我目前聽到桃機公司給我的訊息是目前我們北郎廳的進度是到明年年中我們的北郎廳可能就可以做好那我們整體的這個三行下的這個建制包含南郎廳的部分大概要到115年的年底那我們希望在116年也就是2027年可以來正式來營運 |
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好那因為這個議題因為現在就在偵查階段那所以還是希望交通部本於這個我們能夠讓第三航廈再讓我們的國際能見度更加的提升所以在這個進度上跟品質上那還是請交通部務必要嚴格的把關是是委員可以補充一下嗎請這個案子跟桃園機場公司有關的是這兩家廠商 |
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他們的工程正義的這個問題是我們航空機場的工程但是是他們兩家因為一個是上游一個是舊出他們之間的糾紛那他們所承接的這件工程目前的工程進度是超前以現況來講我們沒有什麼影響所以這是兩件事情OK那也是讓能夠有機會回應 |
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好那接著延續的剛才有提到的就是寵物開放寵物進客艙那本期想要直接就教的是之前有提到的時候已經有做一個溝通那包括國內的國際相關航空公司也有在做討論那想要直接請尖短回答一下那何時可以開放以及目前在溝通的航空業者航空公司有哪家是支持哪家反對那以及有沒有相關的一個評估報告 |
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那一起包括溝通的一個成果何時可以開放我是不是請何局長好不好好 跟委員報告已經初步溝通然後他們的評估報告其實有陸續進來評估的說明那這部分民航局還在會診中那主要業者的意見大概就是說寵物的如何讓他就是說他的處理如何就是包含他要用什麼樣的 |
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這是寵物的處理然後再來就是一個航空器本身的處理還有再包含這一個其他旅客的意見那因為意見進來之後呢其實業者評估來講他們初步來講依據他們過往載運這個導盲犬的部分的一個經驗來講他們認為目前都還是要審慎評估這個部分沒有一個具體說 |
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那局長因為時間有限那我也知道民航局是很用心啦那我還是希望說可以給本席集通交通委員會的委員相關的這些相關的一個評估報告或是一個內容那因為大家都希望不管是活體或是包括毛小孩上飛機的權益但是因為各家業者目前資料顯示是態度不同 |
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那我們希望這一件事情來講的話我們民眾的追蹤的認知可以不是停於在溝通階段而是說有一個具體的成果甚至這個讓民眾有知的權利那哪些航空業者他們是正向支持可以有這個做這段航空是可以帶毛小孩的那哪些是不行的其實我覺得至少要讓民眾能夠清楚知道 |
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目前來講他們的態度就是暫時都不會提供目前來講他們認為他們相關的這一些還沒有完備之前是沒辦法提供 |
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好 那我想說那就是一個報告給交通委員會是 謝謝好 那最後在這個標行李箱在基產大廳穿梭那這個電動行李箱的管制那之前部長有提到目前是各航空公司的規定那時候本席有提到希望交通部來主導這個規範 |
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那我們看到這個機場公司桃機其實在經營上是用心啦評比上我們繼續來努力啦那所以直接要就交部長那今天桃機公司在這邊那這個主導的規範那是不是在今天可以做一個定調 |
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是 這個部分齁 機場的規範可能由桃機公司他們來討論啦但上機的規範這個是有國際規範的尤其是離公司的部分在平常的這個行李上機都沒問題但是在電動行李廂在在機場奔馳的這種狀況來講 |
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跟委員報告有關在機場的部分因為我們目前來講初步先用券的因為十幾個機場都一樣沒有一個硬性的規定那我們現在民航局會邀請這個航警局等相關單位來共同來研商是不是有要增訂或修訂相關規定的必要那是不是在早一個月之內能夠有一個相關的結論來給交通委員會的委員我們盡速來演繹一個辦法好 |
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那最後的話本席還是針對今天的預算以及包括在無人機的部分是不是想請部長也直接說明一下目前交通部在未來無人機產業在您在部長任內以及希望民航局還在發展無人機的一個願景監導回答即可好 |
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報告委員無人機的發展是未來的趨勢所以在交通部的部分無論是法規面或者是制度面我們該修的部分一定會把它修好讓大家未來在使用無人機不管是你要考照也好或者是使用也好有一定的規範讓大家可以依循 |
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部長你以前玩過無人機嗎我自己沒玩過有那種很小台小朋友在玩有玩過對那我覺得有機會的話就是民航局應該跟部長來針對無人機的部分來做一些研究那未來來講因為在交通部相關的不管交通運輸其實現在各行各業其實都有應用無人機的實力那我在想其實在民航局的這個 |
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好 這個我會加強了解 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝游委員接下來有請何欣淳委員發言謝謝主席 謝謝趙偉我們是請陳部長以及我們桃基的楊董事長楊董事長 |
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謝謝部長好很高興我相信你也喜歡棒球那世界棒球十二強賽臺灣隊 |
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今年的表現是有史以來最棒的一次那前幾天蔡吉昌是我們中職的會長那他也在我們這個會議室也在質詢希望呢像很多委員一樣在關心去東京的這個包機或者是去東京的這個位置可不可以再多一點那確實你剛有提到桃園飛東京有但是呢台中沒有因為本來就沒有這個航線 |
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所以我還是要跟油耗委員一樣這不分顏色還是要為中台灣的民眾再爭取一下希望我們能夠再繼續努力那我相信蔡其昌會長也是我們蔡其昌委員也會積極的要求希望我們清泉崗機場、國際機場、台中能夠飛往日本的能夠成型 |
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這第一個那我剛剛講的這一次十二強賽在我們蔡其昌會長聚光爵偉我相信這一次的比賽的表現是非常的好讓我們國人都非常的驚豔而且呢大大的掌聲那我知道我們昨天出發去東京的時候我們給他最高規格的一個灑水門禮那我現在要講的是 |
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回來呢我相信他們到日本比賽也一定會繼續贏那繼續贏的情況之下民視會往前推那我們國人呢會非常的高興迎接這個史上最佳成績的這個我們臺灣隊的回來那回來我們桃集又準備好了嘛我必須講喔因為我們現在看熱烈的送他們去東京那 |
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接下來繼續贏回來之後呢一定更多國人會興高采烈非常舉國歡騰的到桃園機場去迎接他們回來那第一個我想到的就是我們機場的動線第二個我想到的是停車的配置第三我們呢上次已經有奧運的這樣子的一個經驗我們很多奧運的國手得了獎牌很多代表隊回來台灣我們粉絲國人熱情的來接機喔所以呢有經驗但是呢 |
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預期可預期的是如果這一次我們的十二強贏得越多場名次越好棒球隊回來的時候國人來接機的一定會更多部長有沒有準備好報告委員他們去是以英雄的方式歡送他們去那回來我們一定是用英雄的方式來迎接他們回來那淘氣公司在過去在奧運的經驗已經有了不過我認為這次的規模 |
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是 呃 |
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不管迎機場回來的接待歡迎的規格是一樣而且會比以往更高所以我們現在就過去的經驗跟這次很多單位都有表達用什麼方式來迎接那機場公司會全力配合包括昨天出去的時候我們也讓遊覽車直接上到我們要出境的那個樓層那這種是特別的規格那我們會用最熱忱而且是跟大家一起來歡迎他們回來 |
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那所以針對他們歸國的最高規格的一個歡迎他們回來的這樣子的一個計畫規劃開始開會了嗎?開始調整動線了嗎?開始籌備了嗎?這一定要的吧? |
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我們會做好準備那因為有經驗所以有哪一些需要去做廚藝的現在就已經在思考我必須提醒喔就如同剛剛部長講的來接機的球迷一定會比奧運代表會接機的粉絲更多 |
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那如果更多的情況之下那我們的機場動線、街機動線在不影響既有的這個國際、國內的旅客的權益之外那我們怎麼好好的規劃第二個停車周邊的交通那又是如何改有配套措施我覺得這個董事長真的要想啊會我全盤的思考 |
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會全盤的思考那我希望可以盡早因為我們已經在等著迎接臺灣隊的勝利回來 |
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那過程你們籌備的過程可不可以給我們交通委員會知道一下第二個那比照奧運我知道之前在我們淘機為台灣隊賀財所以我們有很多應援區很多特殊計畫甚至為了各單項的國手給他們應援所以讓國人可以表達他自己的心意所以支持他們那我們這一次有可以比照12強台灣隊的應援區嗎有打算嗎 |
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報告委員這個應援區的部分因為時間有點短我們趕快快速來討論看要怎麼做另外我剛剛也請我們桃機公司楊董事長他們如果可以的話跟我們的職棒聯盟也就是蔡其昌委員蔡其昌會長方面大家來溝通因為當天一定有很多的球迷要來 |
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對那而且是集中在一天跟奧運的狀況不一樣奧運是分很多天是那這個集中在一天的狀況底下可能光靠桃機自己去思考可能還不足我們跟這個職棒聯盟的部分來討論應援區的部分怎麼跟他們合作那球員區怎麼合作讓另外球迷區看要怎麼處理會比較完善大家一起來討論 |
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對我相信蔡其昌會長有豐富的經驗可以給我們專業的意見那可以跟中職跟我們桃機合作然後把這個準備做到最好所以拜託我們國人是非常期待而且強力的加油應援接著我就要再談剩下一點點時間我之前對於這個 |
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空服員的一個服裝上次就一直很關心非常安全最重要服裝其實是在展現他的專業還有方便他在飛機上的一個工作所以這才是空服員穿那個制服的重點而且我必須提醒部長你看一下包括你們民航局 |
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自己在這個網頁上都會跟國人宣導說打擊時怎樣的穿著 |
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因為一旦發生了任何的問題逃生乘客自身的安全是最重要的所以他的肢體必須要靈活的活動能夠最好的應變措施 |
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這是最重要的可是我們現在之前也有空服員的這個財政公會在說我們現在大部分的這個民航機的這個空服員的這個服裝要求女性穿窄裙 |
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那我們透過了很多的一個提案也透過了媒體也透過了公會的爭取所以呢我知道我們開始啟動了我們不要再有性別的刻板印象我們希望能夠給女性空服員多一點的選擇那現在做到什麼程度了部長你知道嗎 |
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報告委員目前像華航公司也已經有庫裝已經出來了雖然大家對於它的設計還有一些討論但它的庫裝已經有先出來了那我們的國際航空應該陸續也都會都有庫裝部長我今天就在跟你講最後這30秒就是因為我們國際航空都要慢慢來 |
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對於這個服裝的改善的時程呢我跟你講我到現在還看不到你跟我講華航有設計設計預計明年要上路但是明年上路到底是明年年初還是明年年底我不知道啦那第二個虎航本來就是庫裝那新宇航空呢有承諾他也要改善也正在規劃當中可是其他的航空公司都還沒有看到欸也沒有任何時程表欸 |
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我覺得這個服裝會改善了除了安全再來是性別平權而且是希望能夠讓我們的員工能夠有多元的選擇跟決策參與的機制是不是那我們已經從 |
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幾年前講到現在那去年我們在本委員會正式的提案通過那呢各個航空公司都說有有有有我們會研議我們會研議那到現在我覺得這個時程還是很落後耶包括華航的部分應該已經不只是設計出來應該已經在做了啦那之所以會是明年上路的原因是因為他們的組員蠻多的 |
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所以正在製作當中應該是明年年初應該就可以完成明年年初就可以開始明年年初就可以讓大家穿褲裝這個沒有問題好我希望華航給我具體的承諾然後給我順便報告好不好那其他的國際航空呢局長你自己也是女性欸我們怎麼去要求有沒有去道德勸說有這個部分這個部分長榮的部分我們已經有告訴他那現在我們會請他提出具體的時程 |
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基本上應該是都有一個設計上路的時間 |
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到目前為止都沒有啦華信也還沒有聽到啦也還沒有看到啦利榮跟長榮更不用說了德安也還沒有啊那我現在做這個表格是要告訴你是你要去積極要去溝通的幾家國際航空公司嘛我想連我們的國家人權委員會都已經開會而且呢也有建議有提議因為就我們多數的國際航空公司針對空服員的服役規範 |
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疑是涉及性別歧視嘛 對不對我剛剛一直在講這為了國際CEDAW我們都希望以這樣子公約為基礎上可以跟國際一樣我們不要有性別刻板印象我們應該要尊重性別平權嘛 |
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還有多元的選擇我覺得這個理念大家都支持那為什麼落實的時程這麼慢呢而且這也不是很難的一件事啊只是讓女性空服員多了一個選擇可以穿褲子她活動比較靈活她更能夠守護這個乘客、旅客的安全啊 |
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是不是部長是沒有錯我覺得這個應該要加速啦這應該要加速啦好不好我希望今年今年年底還可以再看到有更更好的一個進步啦好不好局長加油啦身為女性我們要積極的來為我們的性別平權努力啦好不好是謝謝委員好謝謝 |
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好 謝謝何欣淳委員拜託華航 你們反正就是剛剛那個圖片已經在做了嘛說真的有點 有點那個 有點驚嚇你知道嗎 |
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沒有 講真的 到最後以後不管是女性要考華航以前很擠的情況可能會看到這個服裝再來第二個狀況是如果你做出來的服裝很少人穿剛剛幾位委員關心的那個情況尤其你右邊那個設計是大家選的右邊那個設計我常見 因為委員就是穿肚兜不過第一次看到那個圍兜兜怕流口水的我真的覺得真的很像所以現在也沒辦法改了 一定是這樣子 |
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因為我看到褲裝很時尚的因為我們很時尚的是蠻多的抱歉抱歉耽誤時間接下來請林俊憲委員發言謝謝主席本期邀請我們交通部陳部長陳部長桃機公司楊董事長楊董事長部長你是我們桃機公司啊 |
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他有個目標他說希望明年在機場檢探認證就所謂的綠色機場能夠再提升一級我們目前是第三級Level 3希望能夠提高到Level 4 |
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因為我們今天本來就是有要討論如何落實地勤的業務所以我這兩個問題來跟部長交換一下意見我們先來看一下你如果要落實節能減碳就你要減碳的話第一個地面勤務很重要你知道我們現在的空測什麼叫空測知道嗎部長空測就是航廈以外的地方叫空測就是空間那地面上 |
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的運具啦運具就是你可能有載行李的啦載人的啦或者是拖飛機的啦你知道有多少台嗎4554台運具啦那目前啦電動車的數量有多少你知道我寫給你看啦333啦油電車有109也就是說目前的機場淘機裡面的空測運具 |
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地面的運具全部有4500多台只有不到10%是所謂的綠能車輛如果你淘機又自己定一個目標他說2030年他希望運具電動化能夠達到50%有可能嗎我再跟你來探討 |
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那你第一個先把這些運具你如果把它電動化、綠能化這很重要這幾千台在地面每天都排放碳因為他們都是幾乎都是柴油動力的嘛那目前淘機要開始改為如果你要求地勤的這些運具要用電動的話那電動車那你需要什麼你需要充電樁嗎 |
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過去民航局曾經協助推動民航局第一個設立充電樁第二個電費要補助我們來看一下如果桃機都自己定一個目標了現在的充電樁有多少台我給部長看一下現在有43座充電樁那是108年設立的 |
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那接下來的109年到113年到今年設立多少零啦過去5年來連一具充電樁都沒有增加啦那現在目標定到明年他說明年要增設6座只有6座喔那淘汰既有19座 |
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那你知道目前設立的這些充電樁把一台車輛既有現在桃機在跑的那個車輛充飽電要多久你知道嗎要8小時到10小時所以它屬於慢充全部都是慢充啦桃機公司現有的充電樁全部都是慢充充飽一台電動車輛運具啦要8到10個小時那你說 |
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現在在基調公司的三家地勤現在都有嘛 桃勤 桃勤可以做航空啦第二個 新宇也有 長榮也有他們怎麼會願意做呢然後電費補助也取消那充電樁啊 很貴耶一基頭要一百萬啦 如果你效率高一點的話 |
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那你現在民進黨的補助有沒有啦那你也不去設充電樁啦電位補助有沒有而且啊電路還沒有你如果地勤業者你要自己設立電路那他們怎麼會有意願那怎麼達到所謂的 |
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明年綠色機場還要升級這個目標做得到嗎也就是說我的主題就是你桃機想要取得綠能機場的升級那麼你要把地勤業務把機場所有的在裡面營運的都要當作你的夥伴 |
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而不是把減碳的責任推給他們自己去享受減碳機場升級的美名所謂的你要把地勤業務納為夥伴像華航華航最近就跟淘寢的費用協商好了這要肯定一下華航他們20幾年來費用都沒有調整 |
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那這樣地勤公司他哪有資源哪有經費去提升他該有的服務和設備嘛那現在淘氣公司也是啊 |
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那部長回答一次楊董事長報告委員在建制的過程當中桃機公司的策略我這樣聽起來應該是比較主要是溝通這些地勤公司他們自己去建制在裡頭的在他們裡面的讓他們自己去建制那這個部分委員的意思應該是希望說我們政府應該要更甚至是桃機公司要有更大的補助或者是誘因讓他們願意去改成電動化 |
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你經費上你電費有沒有補助充電座你叫他自己設他還沒有電力電力系統也沒有 |
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跟委員報告這個是一個必須要做的事情那怎麼樣加快腳步現在正在進行 |
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那第二個就是剛剛我們看到的這個現有的43座的充電窗都是桃集公司的充電窗是慢充的沒有錯我們現在第一個目標是現有的慢充要改成快充那第二個就是我們的三行下目前的建設計畫裡面也有帶26座的這個快充另外就是包括業者的部分業者的部分其實他自己本身的廠房他也有這些機具要停放的地方我們也希望那你們從來沒有坐下來談啊 |
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你都在那裡說話聽,你沒有跟他們說過而且部長,一共43座慢充要改為快充,明年一年才改6座,你要分幾年啊?對不對?速度要加快你只有6座,那你剩下的幾十座也沒有人要用,充一台車要充8小時到11小時在現在沒有辦法,大家不願意用,沒錯夕陽下山還在充欸 |
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那我再請教這個部分我們來加速電路有沒有問題啦就電的供應有沒有問題現況來講是沒有問題沒有問題那我請教你說淘機供電量沒有問題那我請教長榮地勤最近他要買10台電源機組他要給飛機用那這個電源機組就是他要有一種像這電池的電力機 |
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他要用買他要買電的啦淘氣公司說電不夠啦有沒有這件事情所以長榮最近要買他只好買再回去買柴油引擎的發電機啊是不是這樣我想這部分我還不完全清楚你不完全清楚我們回去以後會馬上查那以現況來講因為淘氣現在的第三航廈正在做長榮要買10台我再跟你講他買這個就是要回機用的 |
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阿你現在往綠能機場走他要買電池的發電機我那邊就是用電池在發電的阿要回頭去買柴油發電因為投機工業既定的電沒夠阿你剛才跟我說電能工業沒有問題那到底是那他為什麼買柴油的 |
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這個回去以後馬上查那在電的供應上面我們會來協調因為台電公司你不能只講你明年要升級你是不是要升級啊你能這個你能這個地勤公司他要他要他要用買電子的發電機你就沒辦法買啊你又叫他回去買柴油對不對連最基本的充電樁你也沒有然後你要改四十幾座你明年才要改六座 |
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謝謝林委員 |
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接下來有請蔡其昌委員蔡其昌蔡其昌委員不在接下來請陳雪生委員發言好謝謝主席是不是請我們部長陳部長還有華航謝董謝董事長好華航謝董事長何局長 |
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民用航空局局長和機場公司楊董謝謝機場公司楊董一起機場公司楊董市長部長最近華信有蠻好的表現我首先要謝謝,昨天我又跟謝董事長打個電話他確定,如果油料的問題解決 |
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落地費本來就不要合計上你看看奇怪相關的費用能夠減免減免一點為什麼?因為謝董事長有這個勇氣回答我這個問題那表示什麼?表示說希望虧損能夠降到最少是不是虧損我們不知道包機完了以後可能會有虧損可能會有盈餘也很難說但是我們已經致電國防部希望國防部的軍人 |
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他們有八百多個人,三分之一休假起碼三百多個人每個禮拜可以飛到高雄去往返對我們軍人子弟來講也是一個福音所以謝謝我們華航、謝董事長好不好今天在這邊謝董事長你講個話好不好,華信董事長你講個話好不好還是請華信來講 |
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主席委員我想提供交通運輸這個是我們航空公司的天職所以我們假如能夠克服困難的話我們一定會盡量促成謝謝 |
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好啦謝謝華信董事長好不好那何局長你要感謝他們協助啊當然你出的力量很大因為何局長為了這個事情幾天睡不著覺打電話給我他學生大哥拜託一下這個事情怎麼辦他非常大的壓力齁但是現在謝董這邊跟華信這邊也解決問題了齁 |
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那個我想如果航空公司願意提供運能來這條線服務,我們當然是樂觀其成那有剛剛委員提到的這個減免的部分,其實在南竿機場就是減免能夠減免就多減免嘛對,那至於其他的一些相關費用我們再來解釋一下其實這個也算守航,如果實在虧損的話謝董我想我會協助你們,鄉民安局看看要適當的錢好不好部長,我看你今天面帶笑容啊 |
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聽委員說到好消息我當然就面帶笑容我聽你們也要努力啊何局長是非常努力啦他非常精進業業當然民航局全體的同仁在他領導之下當然OK的啦我知道他們非常努力好不好那謝總請回好不好何局長這邊當然沒話講交通部 |
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其實部長你也很幸福很幸運你底下的這些局每個人能力都非常的強都非常的強你看民航局除了何局長之外還有方副局長非常優秀有機會你要提一下我沒有那個權利因為他幹了非常的久好那麼接下來要提什麼機場公司楊棟 |
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您的表現也是非常好,機場公司尤其第三航廈非常辛苦、非常努力這個下面同仁相親力也非常強但現在有個問題,你看這個圖片,這個場景部長、何局長、楊董你們看一下這個圖片這是入鏡,不是出鏡 |
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出境檢查出境檢查很嚴格入境檢查更嚴格出去以後還有狗啊還有防疫狗啊兩道關卡再來這入境檢查我給各位看一下今年的暑假的場景再下來這是什麼地方這什麼地方部長 |
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部長你看看這是什麼地方?入境的地方全世界你到每個機場有沒有看到這樣的場景?全世界?連中國大陸在內?入境有沒有這樣的場景?你看過沒有?這奇蹟欸這奇蹟啊這奇蹟啊排隊排多久你知道嗎?國人、觀光客從國外回來 |
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從國外回來興高采烈很興奮到家了到家以後勒對不起啊沒那麼快排隊半個鐘頭以上半個鐘頭以上我問過農委會啊當然農委會的權責啦農委會說哎呀現在還有百分之多少還有多少人我說你抓到幾個嘛牛肉豬肉狗肉的嘛你抓到幾個到底嘛沒有啊 |
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很少很少,微乎其微,個位數十幾位數十幾位啦那外面有狗啦豬肉竟然要罰十萬、二十萬、一百萬耶是不是在這麼嚴格的處分之下還有人敢帶進來嗎你說他神經病啊就不小心帶進來的啦不會故意去搞這個事情有必要這樣子玩嗎 |
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我找過民航局找過農委會廠商馬上就來找我了關山勾結我跟你講關山勾結啊絕對是關山勾結你們在座你們同意嗎你們回國的時候是這樣排隊你們同意不同意你們同意不同意你們同意的請舉手同意這樣做的請舉手沒半個人舉手啊你看我們在場的委員一樣好 |
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包含召委包含我們交通部所屬單位沒有人舉手啊部長你看得下去嗎我們以服務為導向嘛我們也希望速度可以快一點不是快一點啦這個快不得沒得快一定是半個鐘頭以上這家公司也動用了不少人員在裡面那我請問部長何局長 |
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我們各個港口國際港口國際的港口機場除了桃園機場這樣做還有哪個機場這樣做請你告訴我 |
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你要破口的話,松山也破口啦高雄也破口啊,你們也來這樣搞好了其實每個機場都是這個防檢局他們做同樣的一個檢疫的方式那我想桃機這邊因為旅客比較多然後它的入境長廊的問題所以可能排隊可能會比較多我幫你一個忙好不好我把防檢局這方面的預算全部砍掉個人主張所有的人事費、服務費什麼費 |
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有必要這樣搞嗎我們疫情都已經過去多少年了你們來應該戴口罩啊,通通戴口罩啊我這裡就可以傳染過去了,戴口罩嘛口罩都沒戴了,連醫院這樣都解除了我們機場在搞什麼東西當然不是你們交通部管的 |
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這防檢局啦,但是他檢查的過程其實可以更優化什麼過程?外面已經有狗了,外面還有人兩套阿全世界有哪個機場這樣搞的?有哪一個機場?部長?局長?沒有沒關係,你隨便講一個國家美國有這樣嗎?應該台灣比較嚴格全世界只有台灣欸 |
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全世界只有台灣這樣子搞的,可以這樣搞嗎?應該要更快速更簡化,讓旅客這樣排隊不好那你在外面再搞一套好了,那孫章機場也要搞啊高雄小港機場也要搞啊,都要弄啊,不只女子,碼頭我們台北港也要弄啊,台北港也要像這樣搞啊,你們該不該? |
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你是交通部的主政單位,不可以這樣搞的所以我主張房檢局所有的預算全部刪掉莊委,你要支持個人的主張那我需要去其他委員會刪其他委員會刪?沒有,我向黨團已經提出報告了我向黨團提出報告了,我們總統要支持我的決定 |
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我們董事長這是我的決定我想民進黨在座委員還沒有民進黨委員看得下去嗎?你們都沒有人投訴這民意院這是民意院你知道嗎?賴總統聽得到的話你聽聽一聽賴總統請賴總統聽一聽可以這樣搞嗎? |
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我們國員同胞罵死了,觀光客也罵死了全世界進出尤其入境沒有這樣的做法的疫情已經過去了嘛疫情的時候我們配合政府對不對大家沒有話講戴口罩李潔 |
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這個檢疫規定防疫規定我們都遵守是不是量什麼發燒什麼的我們都遵守連中國大陸啊你們講那麼專制的地方沒有啊也沒這樣搞啊何局長全世界有沒有哪個國家這樣子搞法的 |
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這比較特別,因為他是檢查豬肉的部分所以每個機場都一樣,因為是防檢局整個政策我強烈的提出質疑關山勾結真的,我們沒有調查權,有調查權我一定查到我跟你講我為什麼跟農委長以後馬上廠商就跑到我辦公室來跟我解說這個事情我覺得很奇怪,不是關山勾結是什麼 |
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這是民怨,賴總統希望你聽得到行政院座院長希望你也聽得到,部長今天在這個地方我希望你向上級長官報告一下,好不好?好召委,你要支持我的主張跟決定,謝謝防疫嘛,OK什麼防疫,不是防疫防檢局防檢局好不好,我要把這預算全部刪掉謝謝謝謝委員好,謝謝陳委員 |
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謝謝總委接下來有請秋洛華委員發言謝謝主席請交通部陳部長、陶基公司楊董事長陶基楊董 |
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部長好、董事長好我們現在看到桃園機場在新冠疫情結束之後客運量單從今年1月到9月的旅客人數來看那1到9月旅客人數大概是3347萬那相較於去年同期的2493萬多出了854萬人次另外在貨運的部分那根據桃園 |
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機場園區的鋼藥計畫預期2040年的貨運量會達402萬公噸代表機場不管是旅客還是貨運量都是增加的趨勢為了有效輸運 周邊的聯外交通必須建立完善請問董事長 淘機目前聯外道路有哪一些 |
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當然最外面是國道2號然後進來以後有台15線、台4線還有當地的未來目前正在進行的這個新國道的這個國1甲、國2甲那local的部分還不算在內 |
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是那目前還有那個省道台四線那南側會興建國道國二甲然後北側是國一甲那不管是國二甲還是國一甲那機場的聯外必須還是仰賴航站北路跟航站南路吧對那航站北路跟航站南路 |
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往航廈必經有幾個地下道那同時通往神道台四線處也設有地下道那由於地下道的它的上方是機場的是飛機的滑行道那所以這個地下道是不可避免的設施請問部長董事長這樣的說法沒有錯吧 |
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我們現在看我們2016年的時候6月3號桃園機場曾因為豪大雨的關係造成地下道淹水導致交通阻塞那也有鑑於全球氣候變遷常有瞬間的豪大雨的情形那我們就以極端的情況來說假如大量的雨水淹沒這三個地下道那造成道路中斷那部分旅客他還有那個 |
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基節來做因素但還是會造成很多旅客的不便那面對這個問題部長還有董事長那桃機要來如何因應跟預防是委員所提的是如果三處都淹水的話目前的第三航廈線道計畫是有規劃的滋洪池在裡頭所以跟現在或是過去淹水的狀況會不一樣不過這個問題我們確實還會再更謹慎的再檢查一遍 |
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是 董事長我們來看到下一張圖因為桃園機場它類似車站的導視月台嘛那道路的規劃也因此受限那目前只有兩條聯外道路那未來旅客逐漸增加然後還有預期的貨運量還有極端氣候的關係那桃機是不是有必要來研議第三條聯外道路的設置呢 |
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這個部分目前是由部裡面這個交通這個道路單位主管機關包括國工局跟公務局在做協助那整個部裡面對第三航廈聯外交通的這個計畫是大家一起合作的目前計畫到哪裡是報告委員其實他目前的第三的聯外道路應該都已經讓我們總經理來報告 |
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是我想跟委員補充報告第一個就是我們現有的主要高快速聯絡道路是在機場的西側那剛剛已經有提報就是我們目前在部裡面相關單位協助在東側的部分我們也會建立高快速系統那未來我們的航站北路跟航站南路都會配合這樣子的一個未來的系統去做連接之後道路規劃跟設計出來了嗎 |
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目前國際機場已經在細設當中現在明年就會進入發包階段了OK 好了 了解好 謝謝總經理那我們再來看到這邊有請我們桃園公司的蕭總經理桃園蕭總總經理 桃園 |
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機場過去曾發現有電纜被撿還有馬桶不通還有淹水的很多很多問題那今天我們不討論過去的問題我們看今年發生的問題要就教我們總經理幾個問題那以下是今年桃園機場發生的重大爭議那就本席了解 |
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桃機北跑道在11月5號還有25號單數日凌晨關閉進行稅休那目前還沒有傳出有班機延誤的情況那請問部長還有總經理那剩下三天的稅休有沒有信心不會再出現像3月的時候南跑道稅休的情況在3月的時候確實有發生過一個造成一些不順暢的狀況這個部分我們在這一次的稅休之前已經有做過檢討 |
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我們有特別召開會議那也拜託范總經理當這個整體的召集人所以目前為止看起來狀況都好那未來的三天我相信也應該不會出現這個問題所以部長可以掛保證?可以可以這個沒有問題那這邊要就教總經理幾個問題10月25號的時候有民眾跑到有門鎖的維修管道最後摔入出境大梯然後送醫不治請問總經理這個維修管道它有門鎖為什麼還會讓民眾喘入? |
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我是不是請范總來回答好不好好先好請范總是報告委員我想上次這個不幸的事件基本上我們的檢討因為它是這個民眾利用我們維修的一個管道一個管制門利用這個維修廠商的人員不注意的時候我們直接說你為什麼 |
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那這個部分就是維修人員的管制不夠確實所以我們也依照相關的合約來檢討同時也對於有關的管制做法再更嚴格那現在內部檢討到哪裡了那對合約商的懲罰是什麼已經做處置進行罰款 |
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法款所以這個報告已經出來了是那請再提供本期這個相關的資料是那接下來我們看到蕭總經理那個桃勤公司接駁車把不同航班旅客放在同一個班機上還有航勤拖車把拖行航勤的過程中有出現漏油那行李塞車民眾等了兩個半小時二航下B2的行李處理廠也發生火警這是桃勤的業務沒有錯吧 |
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報告委員那個火警的部分應該不屬於是桃警的業務那是因為是設施的關係那是由誰來做管理的我們負責的是那個清理的裝卸彩的業務那 |
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這個限額的管理的部分應該是屬於淘金的部分這個部分應該是不屬於我們淘金的業務那有關於那個機具漏油的部分那這個部分我們已經有針對我們類似的機具已經做一個完整的這個檢查然後再 |
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有關於班機旅客等候時間過長的這個事件是因為最近的發生是在颱風期間發生的這個狀況那當天的颱風當天預報的這個 |
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7月26日凌晨的班機預計只有兩個半小時根據省紀部在112年度的審核報告指出桃機公司行李運送作業未增嚴謹導致行李卸載還有入境旅客等候行李時間過長今年7月行李塞車的問題如你所說的是颱風的影響導致有密集的航班降落桃行人力只增加了13人是不是有人力不足的情況 |
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報告委員當天當班的人數我們臨時有請總共有39位的員工延長工時加班來協助處理那實際上真的是班機集中的太遠了原來的預報是從12點到兩點半之前這邊請教我們桃機的董事長桃機社有ADIP系統吧 |
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是 這個系統的資訊都有提供給相關單位都有提供給相關單位那怎麼還會發生但是因為這一次的那個是颱風過程颱風過程它最後在復甦的階段航機的這個原來的間距時間都跑掉了那所以淘金公司這邊在地形業務的部分在配合上面它的朝鮮部署比較困難所以依照董經理的說法不是人力不足的關係是數據不夠準確的 |
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他有可能是在那個短時間之內尤其是在深夜或者是在這種離峰階段的人力那這一次的經驗之後呢我們在整個房台或者是在這種特殊情況的過程會邀請所有的相關單位尤其是地勤作業的人員包括他們的主管會先做超檢部署去做預料預判那這個問題從現在從上一次的事件發生之後已經開始做了改善所以這個問題以後發生的機率會比較少但是人力的問題依然還是一個重點 |
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是也請還是要提升日後的整體效能OK好以上謝謝謝謝委員下一位登記發言的委員魯明哲委員有請魯明哲召委 |
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好 謝謝主席我想今天發言之前我想先問一個權益問題這權益問題也不光是我啦而且是這個整個交通委員會整體的一個在立法院交通委員會它本身的一個職權的問題當然不是請主席回答那我再直接請就請問一下今天我們這個桃機桃機公司來的所有夥伴請起立一下原地起立哇 這麼多齁 |
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董事長、總經理、董事長總,後面,後面有嗎?有,好,謝謝,哇,來那麼多,好,請坐下。呃,華航,華航來,好像董總都來嘛,剛剛高總是不是有來?高總,高總還坐那麼後面啊,你還往前坐啊,來三位啊,謝謝。那我們桃勤呢?今天來幾位? |
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兩位兩位嘛好我就想問一個問題這個在交通委員會我們開會是有一定的秩序不是我的不是我的希望大家遵守如果你的身份是列席官員歡迎你如果你的身份是委員委員秘書歡迎你如果你是交通委員工作人員你必須要在這裡請問一下白桃德先生先請例一下 |
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請起立一下你今天來這邊的身份是什麼沒關係你在那邊回應一下就好了不做記錄嘛你今天來這邊的坐在我們交通委員會的身份是什麼你是代表誰你代表什麼你是桃群的但是你剛剛我點到桃群的時候你沒有站起來桃群只來了兩位不包含你 |
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桃區有規定今天的服裝是穿運動服到場嗎今天是交通委員會一日遊嗎來玩耍的嗎你是代表董事長來是不是不是那你來幹什麼來總經理我這全問題要講清楚啦到底我們交通委員會沒位委員我們請你們來開會桃區公司你也可以說董事長、總經理誰要來誰不要來那我就請問一下 |
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我們交通委員會發函請你們來開會國營事業事實上華航他根本也算半民營的那你們今天來有什麼委屈嗎就是陶晶今天來有什麼委屈就是說我們是不是沒有資格邀你們交通委員會有沒有資格邀請你們有嗎 |
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有資格嗎那今天白先生來這邊代表的是桃勤還是代表誰代表他個人 |
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報告委員因為我們兩位桃園到任我們時間比較短我們對這個立法院的這個環境什麼都不是很清楚所以你們今天就來兩位嘛那第三位到底今天他是準備來做什麼呢你講他是來幫我們引導這個 |
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主席主席 |
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職務桃園公司總經理蕭國資另外一位是副總經理劉舉淵另外一位是我們行政處的JAS白濤德JAS對在我們公司裡面的職務是JAS他是JAS是所以今天JAS穿著運動服來這邊一日遊我講真的齁那我今天講今天的重點齁 |
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這個 我想部長 部長你知道嗎 我為什麼講權益的問題啊請大家尊重交通委員會啦也尊重自己的身分我可能 下一次我們沒有選上會去做別的事我就不是立委了啦我來這邊幹嘛大家看如果有緣還打個招呼沒有緣的話就掰掰了啦本來就這樣嘛尊重交通委員會也尊重自己嘛本來不是這樣嗎 |
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請問一下我們白先生剛剛在後面在助理群團隊講了兩套話精確的話我不太清楚邏輯第一個交通委員會有魯明哲的召委就是憑什麼可以邀請董事長、部長 |
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桃園公司是國營事業交通部投資43%華航49%我們可不可以邀請其實我們社會人士都可以邀請我們有沒有資格邀請桃園公司的董事長有沒有所以有人可能有疑慮不管是我們沒有資格或者憑什麼為什麼在質疑這個問題我們交通委員會的組密 |
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請問一下我們交通委員會到底有沒有這個權利資格還是我們有問題去可不可以邀請桃園的董事長可不可以 |
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你能不能回應一下報告再再報告一下依照那個我們憲法67條第二項各種委員會齁立法院各種委員會得邀請政府人、人員及社會上有關係人員到會備請所以是沒問題的好沒問題齁第二段話我們聽到的更離譜啊齁所以如果我要堅持的話淘請2000位員工的工會 |
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因為跟董事長關係良好不排除來這邊聲援、抗議耍流氓是吧桃園公司啊桃園公司請問一下你們員工有多少這樣我們以後不敢約你們嚇死我們了你們多少位那我不怕你好來請坐下黃航黃航你有多少位員工啊 |
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好好那是好你請坐坐舒服一點所以我在想喔今天這個權益問題我就問到這裡你來這裡你已經不是立法院的助理你現在是董事長的特助大家都知道你自己也宣傳了你今天一言一行 |
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你 你要傷害到如果你傷害到你的自己的董事長我覺得今天的是咎由自取不然董事長就請假就沒事了吧我有說任何一句話嗎你們還需要在後面在那邊講的風涼話在那邊嗆來嗆去嗎好 |
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就這樣那現在開始今天的質詢請交通部陳部長請陳部長民航軍何局長請何局長備詢跟桃勤的我們蕭總請桃勤蕭總經理好 |
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現在所有航班不管是準點甚至很多的一個情況這個以前是需要很多的機構很多的專業的領域去分析去研究我發覺現在真的不用了你知道嗎你就訂一個機票 |
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你隨便跟一個網站不管國外的公司哪些第一個網站他三不五時告訴你追蹤來的班機他說來的班機delay你就預備一下這個班機也delay所以你今天的準點你已經是全都錄了但全世界看到不用你宣布報告這是第一個的概念第二個我們相關的一些服務的品質在 |
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我們那班機的一個準點率我們看了一下112年按照審計部跟你們民航局提供的一個報告準點率在我們桃機的話是75.71我們鄰近的機場像香港贏我們一點點啦不算贏啦成田、張宜、新加坡、張宜機場大概贏我們2.5%到3%啦所以差距不大那何局長你覺得差距大不大1%代表多少 |
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他這個1%他的母數如果以起飛的來算大概112年大概10萬架次來回到20萬了就算一半了大概10萬架次所以少1%大概是1000架次 |
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一千那如果兩趴的話是兩千架次所以這個努力空間還是真的蠻大的比如說進幾個小數點真的很重要這個局長你覺得呢是委員確實你們也是這樣看待的嗎對這個都還有成長的空間都還有進步的空間好那部長呢 |
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是當然如果這樣算起來是2000加次影響的人數其實相當多所以當然要再進步所以還是要精細好不好這跟考試一樣啊從念書考到六七十分比較簡單考到八十分也還可以但是你要爭取那最後的分數啊那個編輯效益那困難度是非常高的我理解所以要更多的一個努力啦齁那但是我們來看看齁 |
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在審計報告我要待會問一下蕭總他就請教了今天就是討論那今天他講說一般的延誤的原因 |
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整個業務原因包括了來機晚到跟飛航管制其實有蠻多的是其他地點其他國家的一個因素就不太可控我們看到現在第4個排名的是地勤的一個作業搞不好是國外的搞不好是我們的再來不一定是你的 |
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可是地勤作業我們特別看了108年到112年四年之中其他的部分都努力降低多少降低一點點可是我們發覺地勤作業它是造成的延誤成長了10.8%我們請蕭總你說明一下好不好第一個審計的報告是不是事實第二個主要原因是什麼 |
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報告委員這個部分我們還沒有說很清楚的了解那地勤作業方面原則上我們都是根據這個航空公司所提供的一些班機道理的時間來配合作業那如果在於 |
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班機飛航管制的情況之下地勤公司對於航班正確的到離時間並不是有非常明確的訊息的情況之下我們會把人員留在機邊等候班機的運作 |
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這種情況之下會造成人員調度的部分的一些困難也可能會造成這個因為人員調度困難的情況之下會造成地形作業首先第一個我必須要說其實全世界的飛機都在飛我們自己的很多的理由對於很多的國際觀光客或我們國人來去其他國家其實對他變成不重要他也沒時間聽這些理由你是屬於這個 |
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什麼原因因為上班人就這麼少我也沒辦法可是因為其實人家會聽不懂但是我是建議部長跟相關單位真的去了解一下如果這個部分是單獨大幅成長的一個趨勢的話我覺得直接去值得去推敲研究提前找出解決之道這個應該要了解原因 |
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我們也看到地勤的安全其實蠻重要的我們看到在108年至5年之前當時交通部次長在桃居視察的時候當時董事長是郭榮忠也是前立委在整個討論的時候他講說最大問題就是SOP |
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要SOP要遵守去避免這些問題可是我們看到108年對比今年以同期間1到10月的這個部分相對於地安這樣的一個問題不是延誤地安的問題從7件變成9件其實幅度差不多跟總期的班機的量差不多可是我們是希望說 |
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有一些這種真的是人為的一些的問題我覺得這真的有沒有辦法能夠大幅的一個避免董記你再講一下好不好 |
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報告委員最近我們經常在針對這個安全的問題我們在內部有提出開會那我們一直在強調安全至上不管是任何原因不管是班機有延誤有時間的壓力 |
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也好一定都要按照安全的SOP來做按照機場的一些規定航空公司的一些相關的規定這個我們一直在持續的加強的要求另外我們在剛剛有提到我們做一些這個 |
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因為其實飛機有時候在空中天候的因素有很多好難控的 |
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14048.527 |
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人定可能不見得勝得了天可是在地勤方面我們覺得可控的因素比較多一點我們當然希望這個部分能夠有效的改善那剛剛這個我們邱委員這個也特別說了7月25號楷米颱風 |
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14063.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
14087.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
那過了到7月26號那個深夜很多的班機可能有delay或者在那個深夜才回來我們看了一下當時我們所列出來這5個班次delay時間比較久的抵達時間大概都是深夜可能凌晨1點到2點那行李到轉盤的時間當然當時講說有些人真的等了你看經過162分鐘將近3個小時這等等的對這種特殊天候 |
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這種調配是不是我們桃勤比長勤吃虧我不知道是不是私人的比較有彈性我也不清楚但是我還是要講就是對於旅客來講真的不管他是誰在處理這個我在想當天面臨這個問題的時候我們特別把你們的勤務表調出來 |
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你可以自己看一下在整個危機處理的部分你們可不可以再有一些彈性在逃勤主要當然是調整出勤的時間我們也請教長勤長勤他就調整出勤時間之外協調休假人員我覺得你們應該也有做的然後請派遣公司來增調人員出勤第四協調非現場作業人員趕快你在其他單位能夠有一些沒有安全來支援 |
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感覺他們的書面讓我們看到的方法比較多那我們有沒有派遣公司可以來來強力支援我們淘勤我也不清楚可是你看齁我覺得剛剛講說這個包括民航局你們很多的預測你找班你有預測啊找班的人力大幅的增加 |
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你的晚班14點開始你也大幅的調整原本像平常沒事的時候大概30幾人你也調整到100人但是隔1月的夜班你知道嗎我覺得那就覺得說大概飛機那個應該沒問題可是就出了問題我覺得有些部分是預測的問題你看到你平常日平常前後9日大概就61人 |
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14215.925 |
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夜班那可是你發生事情那一天你還是62人所以我是覺得齁這當然這個預測方面是怎麼回事啊是他們預測的不準嗎還是你們實在因為勞基法人動也動不了了還是你可以找跟他一樣調派遣公司來訓練服務嗎可不可以啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
14237.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
報告委員有關於派遣公司這個部分目前因為我們跟外面的派遣公司並沒有合約的這個部分所以我們可能在這個部分我們是沒有辦法請派遣公司提示調度人員來支援部長這個部分比如說人家有彈性工具對 |
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也就是說同樣飛機delay真的不是說只有華航服務的那個飛機會delay大家都有颱風嘛你說長航航空他服務的國際辦公室他也可能1點到2點到可是人家如果他平均一個小時就是比較快一點這個就是真的沒有理由啦真的沒有理由到底他的兵力不能派遣是因為會影響到勞工權利還是怎麼樣我不清楚但是值得去研究在應變的時候你要有方法 |
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是 其實如果長期做得到 淘勤也應該要做得到就是說長期它的效率在應變的措施上面可以做到更有效率那淘勤就應該要學習看怎麼樣做得更有效率因為這種天災的事不是我們能夠決定什麼時候來什麼時候不來那未來這種派遣的部分或許應該要我想跟這個蕭總說那蕭董你也不用這樣來因為你們是最大的股東但是我是建議啦你們真的要 |
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很多基層做上來的一些淘勤的夥伴他們從基層實在幹得很辛苦可是一到了 |
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高層現在副總以前兩個副總有一個是從基層他們來的一個是你們過來的體系因為最大股東啊那你要派人我們也沒話講嘛現在大概一條龍包括了可能這個總經理啊甚至副總啊都是國外啊可能是民航大家繞一圈回來的那這種部分你真的要搭配在基層幹起來的人 |
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| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
基層幹起來的人我是覺得這個的部分你們一定要去調整而且讓桃勤這家的公司在整個員工的升遷的管道他是有盼望的我真的不要全部高層全部包掉好不好那個謝董你能不能說一下好像現在你們包的包會計啊集合啊整套都是你們訓練完的人過去我覺得這個是有打擊士氣啊哎呦麥克風壞了 |
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是這樣子啦 淘勤的部分事實上他們內生的機制是有的那我們華航這邊只派一個副總在那邊事實上他那邊還有一個編制是淘勤本那個等於是他們 |
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資深的人工是可以有機會升上來並沒有杜絕他們升遷的那個管道對 現在總經理、副總經理都是你們的人嘛對對不對 你們派的嘛是會計集合有一些重要的也都是你們的人那這個部分有時候剛剛總經理他可能也是總經理也是你們派來的可是這樣很難的為專業說話你知道嗎 |
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他一方面又要承包你們的這個所有的Cargo也好或者客戶然後單價也是跟你們談那跟誰談談的人又是你們派來的總經理要跟你們華航去談坦白講很多的福利人力這個有點超越他們兩個的問題我希望部長關注這個問題好不好員工那個福利跟身兼的管道也能夠讓他順暢謝謝我也來了解謝謝委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
14436.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
請交通部部長陳部長民航局局長何局長 |
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14461.493 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
14463.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
我們目前至少我上任之後沒有做這樣子的討論 |
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14480.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
14496.396 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
沒有這樣討論也沒有這樣的計畫嘛那所以松山機場的存在事實上它除了這個民航之外當然它也有軍事相關的用途那我就要請問一下松山機場那麼事實上因為機場的存在 |
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| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
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所以它附近居民就有包含限高、限艦、禁艦相關的規定對不對就如同這個桃園機場也是一樣那麼所以長期以來我們民航局就對於這個國營航空站就有相關的補助的計畫那麼事實上大家都知道以台北市來說那麼我們很多房子都老舊 |
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那麼在松山機場周邊他因為限高的規定事實上他們也有就是會影響到他們的這個都更的一些相關的計畫所以我想請問一下 |
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我們松山機場如果沒有任何遷建遷移的計畫的話那麼松山機場是不是可以比照這個桃園機場給予相關的包含房屋稅跟地價稅相關的補貼報告委員這個房屋稅跟地價稅這個是地方稅那這個部分其實應該要用臺北市政府來做這方面的研議那我們民航局這邊看要怎麼樣配合我們可以來配合 |
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所以因為在桃園機場的部分現在是尤其對於禁線件禁線件的房屋稅是打7折嘛 對不對那麼雖然我們現在名為所謂的好像是照應相關的補助但是事實上你們的規定裡面針對房屋稅跟地價稅是可以一於補助的嘛 對不對 |
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我們沒有特別限定補助的項目嗎沒有特別限定啦但是也沒有指出說這個房屋稅跟地價稅是可以或不可以的對沒有錯所以呢在這個部分呢當然我們現在在臺北市也有一些我們地方和民意代表希望桃園機場因為對不起松山機場因為過去常常都在吵說松山機場要不要簽件 |
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但是呢其實後來大家都知道松山機場簽建簡直是其實是非常非常困難而且我們也願意維持首都要有機場嘛而且它還有這個軍用機場的相關的功能所以我在這邊呢我就希望能夠在台北市他們提出有關於包含禁線建的房屋還有附近居民受到影響的房屋那麼當他們全部都已經把它做一個 |
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整理跟研擬的之後我們交通部是不是也可以協助能夠讓我們搜山機場旁邊的讓這些市民他們所受到的這些影響或者他們所受到的損失允許給他們一個合理的補助部長可不可以 |
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報告委員 這個部分我們會納入討論就是說當臺北市政府有研議出一套辦法那民航局當然我們本來就每一年都有一些補助的經費或者是補償的經費那到時候看要怎麼討論大家一起來討論好 謝謝部長那另外其實我們也非常希望就是桃園有桃園航空城 |
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那松山機場現在不簽件其實它也可以發展一個小型的航空城過去當時在好市長的任內曾經有提出一個就是松山機場的一個相關的開發計畫也就是說 |
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其實松山機場的存在而不應該以去犧牲附近居民不管他都更的機會或者他有可能的開發的機會作為一個代價所以如果桃園做航空城那我們當然沒有問題但是松山機場也可以去規劃能不能做一個像小型的航空城這個部分是不是也可以請交通部能夠納入計畫來考量 |
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好 我們做整體的規劃對 做整體規劃機場的周邊包含剛剛委員所提示的這個補助的部分我們做整體的討論對 然後包含它這個進線線的區域有沒有必要劃到那麼大比如說像尤其在那個機場的後面其實它等於是在臺北市來講是一個說實在連那邊公車都很少然後 |
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接下來有請鄭天才委員發言 |
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主席有請部長還有民航局局長部長好還有局長好這個北南組在2020年1月28號舉辦這個北南組的聯合年紀那因為為了紀錄這個 |
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為了這個本席 |
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這個也曾經這個跟部落到臺東機場的門口來做這個抗議那本席在2021年9月27號也再次質詢當時的交通部部長也在9月29號 |
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召開協調會也在2021年的10月14號發文給民航局11月3號2021年的11月3號再次的質詢 |
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當時的交通部的部長當然本席也開過協調會都依法論理相關的這些這個回去之後這個民航局可以再參考把過去我質詢以及召開協調會的時候這些作為一個參考的資料 |
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那在2024就是今年2月22號本席也跟會同我們北南組的鄉親到臺北高等行政法院聲援南王部落空拍機案的一個那時候要開庭 |
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所以這個部分我們非常謝謝臺北高等行政法院在今年的9月19號判決撤銷訴願決定及嚴處分所以這個部分是跟我當初無論是召開協調或諮詢所採用的這些法院都採納當然現在很重要的就是 |
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這個部分我再次的簡要的說因為時間的關係民用航空法這個三四條第二項 |
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最主要是特別提到前兩項所定一定距離範圍由交通部會同有關機關劃定公告所以這個劃定公告你們就定了一個要點民用航空局為執行機場四周禁止、釋放有礙飛航安全物體定定這個要點 |
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然後在這個要點裡面也提到這個自機場標高起算之60公尺以上高度訂了這樣的一個規定那這個高度裡面有非常不合理的地方在哪裡呢就是禁止建築的高度禁止現建的建築物的高度 |
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這很高110...118.69公尺現建的我們的空拍機比這個低的低得多所以這樣的一個情形是一個不合理的地方我常常舉這個例子就在台東機場附近前面而已附近納魯灣大酒店很高我們的空拍機比這個低得多 |
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然後另外就是在台東火車站附近遙控無人機飛得比這個現建高度還低所以這個都是不合理的我舉一個案例給部長還有民航局了解在花蓮有一個部落那個沙崎萊爾族一個國服部落他們要蓋部落聚會所要蓋部落聚會所 |
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因為那個地方就是國防部的這個航空的一個一個航線一個航線按照國防部的規定不可以蓋那個部落聚會所因為會一個航線我就會勘了實地會勘我跟那個國防部的官員講 |
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旁邊就是你們蓋的那個瞭望台他們蓋的我們的我說我們的部落機會所比這個瞭望台還低我們蓋的部落機會所比這個樹還低這樣還不能嗎他回去簽辦之後就可以了所以這個部分是有空間的有空間的尤其是 |
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民用航空法在108年6月10日在立法院經過我們三讀通過之後把遙控無人機列了一個第九章之二本來沒有特別列了而且是109年3月31日施行要把它法制化 |
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法治化當然這個發生是在1093月31號之前但是因為既然要法治化表示之前的有問題 |
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表示之前的規定是有問題所以這個不是有空間的有解釋的空間我是老公務員30年我也不會讓公務員去違法所以這個是好好的參考我的過去的質詢跟會議記錄來作為一個妥善的處理就不要去罰我上次講的 |
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不要變成交通部民航局去處罰我們原住民的部落我希望不要發生這個我們依法處理依法辦理依法辦理謝謝委員好謝謝鄭委員接下來有請邱志偉委員邱志偉委員不在接下來請洪孟楷委員發言 |
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好主席謝謝麻煩你陳世凱部長好陳部長 |
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好 部長好委員好部長 這一次中華隊前往東京那我也看到說我們協助緊急加開國際航空的班機是 把班機擴大所以增加座位是 增加座位嘛那回來也都會有讓我們中華隊的選手有最舒適的座位可以回來是 沒錯 |
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那我想請教一下上個禮拜現在有沒有統計上禮拜在台灣大巨蛋打的比賽不管是韓國、日本、澳洲、古巴或多米尼加有多增加了多少的 |
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人員進來到台灣來做觀光這個我沒有統計我這邊沒有統計的數字部長為什麼本席會突然這樣問你看中華隊打進東京的時候就會有很多的球迷想要一起去加油代表這就是一個很能夠push讓這一個主辦國家看到觀光亮點的機會 |
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一樣嘛過去不管是你說城市有講說演唱會經濟不管是新加坡邀請到一個歌手大咖的來的時候可以帶動這整個經濟那一樣世界十二強棒球賽的時候在大巨蛋能夠打這個比賽那照理講我們應該要把握這個機會去讓很多韓國的球迷日本的球迷來台灣幫他們自己國家的球隊加油以外也順便來觀光那結果 |
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你說沒有這個統計代表可能在上個禮拜打完之後我們觀光相對來講都沒有想過說這是一個好的契機會不會有點可惜這個絕對是一個好的契機那我們在球場也確實有看到各國的加油的團隊也都有來所以確實是有一些觀光客的效益這個一定是有啦那不過委員在提醒的應該是要 |
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比賽之前我們先到那一個國家先去做宣傳讓大家知道利用這個機會所以本席就具體建議明年大巨蛋2月WBC世界棒球經典賽我們台灣要打資格賽沒辦法但是資格賽有三個國家包括西班牙、尼加拉瓜跟南非在2月19到2月26他們的國家代表隊會來台灣打比賽 |
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那2026年正式臺灣我相信也一定可以拿到資格賽了2026年WBC世界棒球經典賽有分小組預賽跟最終的決賽2023年我們是有爭取到在臺灣小組預賽的時候就有在臺灣打那個時候是在洲際棒球場跟如果沒記錯的話應該是斗六棒球場 |
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15420 |
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那一樣如果2026年未來再有這種重大大型賽事尤其是我們大家都覺得說可以一起加油的話是不是能夠拜託請觀光的同仁也一起把它納入變成是我們可以宣傳的亮點一起共同推廣不是運動的賽事就是啊這個棒鞋的事這個中華之棒的事啊這個是教育部的事這個是體育所的事沒有啊 |
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其實他是可以有很多機會大家共同起來就如同這個禮拜突然間大家都要去日本所以班機也不夠住宿也暴漲那賺錢的也是日本人啊也是日本人賺到門票收入賺到飯店啊所以部長是 |
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能不能未來不管明年的世界棒球健身賽、資格賽或者是2026年這種重大賽事甚至明年雙北市大運市狀運 |
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臺北、新北有辦試撞運我們觀光署是中央機關但是也不要覺得說這個是地方政府的責任一起來把它納入變成是我們宣傳包裝的其中一環這樣可以嗎?是,報告委員你這個建議非常好那未來只要面對國際的賽事有吸客的能力的國際賽事我覺得觀光署應該都要主動去各個國家去做這方面的宣傳那可以吸引更多的旅客過來絕對對臺灣的觀光事業有幫助 |
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尤其是他們有代表隊來打球的嘛部長另外一個部分今天當然有相關民航部分本席有看到無人機的管理我們現在預告修正無人機的管理規則要從16歲下修到14歲我可以請教一下這個動心啟念的出發點是為何 |
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主要就是為了要鼓勵這個中學生就是說希望他們有一些要在學校訓練或從小就是說從這個年紀他們需要一些操作中學生就國中七八九年級我們現在有多少學校有開這樣的課程 |
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或是願意想看因為7、8、9年級照理講都還是義務教育那當初我先提一下說之前無人機的駕駛的這個執照16歲的時候就已經有一些民間團體會覺得疑慮因為16歲還沒有成年 |
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那如果說他操作無人機真的有什麼樣的狀況不管是說他可能是撞到破壞到或者是說真的是掉落而不順有什麼樣的一個破壞或賠償的話16歲是未成年他有可能沒有辦法負起相關責任 |
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那如果說我們現在從16歲又要再下修到14歲那會不會更引發這樣的一個狀況其實主要放寬的部分是操作的學習證不是那個普通操作證或專業的所以他基本上學習證就要有專人在旁邊 |
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所以也是要有教練也是要有老師就變成是說我們這14歲因為我們要釐清是現在我們看到說他的那個申請資格16歲下到14歲甚至各類操作證的校期要從兩年放寬成三年所以第一校期是放寬第二年齡是下修當然外界會有疑慮那現在還公告期 |
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所以你剛剛只是確認是說你未來下修16歲變14歲但他也不是所有14歲的學生都可以他要使用要操作還是要有專人在旁邊指導所謂的放寬是因為他要學習所以要去申請這個證不是所有的學生說14歲你就都可以去操作不是是為了學習而需要的操作證那如果對這個沒興趣的人就不用來學習那學習的人就是要有專人在旁邊 |
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那剛剛講的校旗就是那你這樣意思還是說就放寬14歲以上就可以去考照啊可以來學習然後就可以考照那考到照之後我們現在講說考到照之後他能不能自己就操作要18歲 |
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要18歲才能操作是不是這個部分我覺得還是要再說明清楚一點因為我們有看到媒體報導以及現在公告期當然公告期完之後還會再修正是不是更嚴謹的狀況我們鼓勵學生學習的狀況但是另外一方面對於無人機的操作我們還是要有一定的一個規範標準 |
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接下來有請黃國昌委員發言 |
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謝謝主席 馬上有請部長還有桃基董事長陳部長、楊董兩位好 之前我就關心過我們的三航廈的標案裡面出現一個惡名昭彰的廠商叫李力 |
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那當然我用惡名昭彰這個詞聽起來是有點重但是過去的敗行劣跡我在好幾次的質詢當中也一路追蹤下來但我覺得我們國家的制度非常奇怪這種欺騙國人甚至騙到我們經濟部莫名其妙給他一個獎結果在美國的死機全部都是造假的公司竟然屢屢在我國拿到重要的表案 |
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全體國人看的是目瞪口呆這家公司到底是什麼後台後台這麼硬一直拿到莫名其妙的表案上一次有請教部長這件事部長也說你會回去查我後來就陸陸續續收到交通部的一些回函的檢討措施那我們就一樣一樣來看第一個 |
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回答的是說那一次的整個招標決標評選完全合法那我看了這個結論我看了就非常的訝異就要趕快再進一步拜讀這種詐騙的廠商拿到標案是怎麼樣如果整個程序都合法還會讓這種詐騙的廠商得逞那問題嚴重啦 |
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等於是我們合法的程序都攔阻不下來這種詐騙的廠商知識體大進一步看說那個時候去提出來的時機就因為要審查他的資格、他的能力、他的時機我看你們回答的內容是台鐵行控4.0 |
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問題是台鐵行供4.0我之前在質詢運安會的時候運安會說的是什麼啊那東西根本不能用啊那我的問題就來了我們一個重要的標案要評選廠商前面要有時機嘛他提出來的時機啊是一個爛得不得了的時機啊連運安會的主委啊都說啊這根本不能用那所以我們在評選的時候是什麼 |
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看paperwork前面只要有標案這樣就算數了部長你覺得呢委員您在提醒的這個我也覺得是有問題所以我才會認為說要再精進所以我們回覆您的內容裡面其實對於未來的評選的方式應該要再精進如果用現在的方式沒有辦法杜絕不好的廠商進來的話我們未來必然要精進說得很好 |
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今天部長在備詢的時候肯說出這的確有問題代表的是什麼最起碼還願意誠實面對問題這是非常重要的第一步誠實面對問題以後要怎麼解決問題我們接下來才要繼續看來T3運輸系統可能部長所講的未來要精進的部分對於這一種重要的 |
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系統技術譬如說行車管理系統以後要單獨評選嘛就不要全部混在一起嘛全部混在一起裡面重要的部分沒有單獨評選混水摸魚就過去嘛這一點我是認同的我們再往下看這個案子啊履行到現在那個包商是分包計畫你們還沒有核定他們就對外宣稱已經核定了是有出現這樣的狀況嗎 |
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我所知道應該還沒核定吧對啊我知道還沒有核定嘛但是部長你看一下我附的你們的會議紀錄請告那個包商啊不要對外宣稱已經經過建造單位核定以免產生爭議嘛那你會寫這樣的文字代表的是什麼代表是他們已經在外面放話啦請告他們啊不要這樣幹 |
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但我看實際上面的過程啊從2023年12月決標到現在分包計畫書到目前還在協調喔是這樣嗎 |
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現在在送審當中是不是我請總經理可以可以可以那個請熟的人上來回答這個問題好了啦就是我沒有要為難部長的意思我們解決問題比較重要是跟委員報告目前這個分包計畫是由陳公司還在檢討那最近有提不是啦我現在的困惑就是從絕標到現在分包計畫搞了快一年了搞了快一年還在檢討這樣到底來得及來不及啊 |
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我現在具體的問到時候時間到了這個系統真的能用嗎因為以我目前在看整個進度緩慢的不得了那為什麼會緩慢的不得了 |
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因為錯誤一開始就造成了嘛你在挑選的時候挑了一個莫名其妙的廠商進來當然後面問題一堆嘛現在看起來是問題越來越嚴重啊我左眼的事情啊是除了剛剛部長所講的承認有問題要檢討問題之外下一個是那目前的這個問題到底要怎麼解決那我看目前的進度是這個樣子我們再往下看 |
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目前提交的車輛行車管理系統的設計文件缺乏完整系統架構也沒有充分對應到你的需求那這樣還走得下去嗎這樣還走得下去嗎國家重要的建設挑到一個爛廠商出現這樣的狀況 |
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行車管理系統的設計文件沒有完整的系統架構也沒有辦法符合業主就是你們的需求嗎那這樣怎麼辦 |
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是我想跟委員報告目前目前的這個階段是處於細部設計的階段那按照里程碑成玉公司也在上週五提出了他的細部設計的成果目前在由我們的顧問團隊審查中我們會依照這個審查的結果來進行後續的處理所以你們到目前進度都還是on schedule嗎 |
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目前這個階段是按原計劃的里程碑在進行當中所以都還沒有直言對於應該這樣講他有按里程碑交出這個成果但是這個成果的好與壞我們顧問公司正在做嚴格的審查所以我才貼給你看嘛是9月12號的會議紀錄啊 |
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提出來的東西根本沒有辦法符合你們的需求現在就已經預見了後續的細部設計跟測試將發生整合的困難這全部都是你們交的文件 |
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報告委員這個是9月12號是由機場公司這邊的會議所以我們的確在那個階段已經看到廠商的設計內容的品質的問題所以預先請他要做檢討那他現在是11月15號已經提出完整的結果那當然我們就會依據他的內容的品質再來做審查來我們先看齁10月29號 |
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接下來有履約管理會議那就是你剛剛所講的在11月14號以前完成所有細部設計提供審查你們之前在11月19號的時候說在文件的數量跟品質上都有落差 |
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跟國際上面的標準對安全議題的分析顯有不足嗎現在這些問題都解決了嗎包委員這個就是我們在歷次的一個相關會議裡面包含我們的顧問這些的意見都是我們的顧問團隊所看到承運公司的當時的一個文件的品質的問題所以先跟他做預告那剛剛已經報告了他現在在上個禮拜已經把他的 |
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全部的設計成果提出來現在正在由團隊做嚴格的審查當中我這樣講好了啦你們前面啊在挑選廠商的時候沒有嚴格把關接下來後面就是一堆爛攤子後面就是一堆爛攤子我收到的檢舉是什麼我收到的檢舉是說目前這個履歷啊 |
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這個詐騙廠商阿現在是要讓工程會去施壓要陳韻跟他和解是不是有收到這樣的消息嗎沒有收到這樣的消息目前陳韻是不是希望把他換成工研院目前我們有得到陳韻的一個提出的請求他要把工研院再加到他的團隊裡面來 |
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事實上就是要工業院去做之前那個爛廠商該做的工作啦把他加進來沒有把他踢出去 |
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這完全就是在程序上面搞的技巧嘛明眼人一看就知道了嘛那現在他提出這樣子的申請你們會同意嗎包委員我想這個部分有一些會涉及到原來契約的一些要求的分工跟執行的內容跟相關採購法的規定所以這個部分也在我們審查的範圍這我瞭解啦即時將心比心站在你們的位置上 |
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我知道你們很痛苦因為連我在思考這件事情我都不知道你們要怎麼收拾這個爛攤子你讓他換那大家就會質疑你前面的評選公不公平你不讓他換他又沒有能力做下去那掩護的是我們整個機場的工程整個T3運輸的品質 |
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大家現在會痛苦就是因為這樣的事情我向來的立場我從來不介入私人廠商彼此之間的紛爭廠商之間私人要怎麼處理是廠商的事但是我們站在國家的立場遇到這種爛事遇到這種爛事最後就是全民來承擔嗎 |
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最後就是全民來承擔了我們現在面臨到的狀況就是這個樣子但是回到部長一開始所講的有問題但檢討到現在沒有人要負責嗎 |
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是嗎 部長報告委員 程序上以現在的結論看當時的程序可能有檢討的問題那我們現在也在精進就是對未來如果有類似的案件我們當然要精進那另外就是我也有特別要求雖然這件事情有發生這些的這個過程但是我還是要求桃機公司在整個T3航廈未來的整個運輸系統不能夠去delay到不能夠延遲到這是我對桃機系統的要求桃機公司的要求 |
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部長你的要求大家都聽到了啦我也不希望會發生delay的狀況但萬一到時候發生delay的狀況的話責任追究就很辛苦啦我最後只有跟交通部跟桃機有一個具體的要求這一種詐騙廠商該負的責任要他負 |
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該負的責任要他負沒有道理在這個過程裡面整個國家的利益因為前面的錯誤造成了犧牲結果最後付出代價的是全體國人而不是這個有問題的廠商這個立場跟這個原則一定要堅守住部長可不可以承諾好 這個部分沒有問題OK 好一定會依法來辦理謝謝委員好 謝謝黃委員 |
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接下來有請楊瓊英委員楊瓊英、楊瓊英委員不在邱毅英委員邱毅英、邱毅英委員不在蘇巧慧委員蘇巧慧、蘇巧慧委員不在陳冠廷委員陳冠廷委員陳冠廷、陳冠廷委員 |
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好接下來有請葉元芝委員發言 |
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麻煩請那個交通部長 謝謝好 陳部長部長好委員好我們今天是討論那個危險天氣對於飛航的影響大家都非常支持飛航應該要安全但今天我想會排這個報告應該有一個原因一個起源是因為11月4號的時候當時已經有颱風所以有一些航空公司他可能重落地 |
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大家開始檢討說這個問題要怎麼去解決讓我們的飛航更加安全那我當時看到部長是有對媒體震怒啦你是說是因為業者沒有落實保守派遣那我個人認為保守派遣是一句幹話啦什麼叫保守派遣部長 |
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保守派遣就是航空公司必須要評估那一天的天氣的狀況大家不要太勉強去派遣那部長你知道那一天那一天被你罵的那個業者之外還有其他業者那天也都有飛嘛其他家包括長榮包括華航可能他們飛的班機還要更多啦 |
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第一是比例上的問題確實那一天這不是比例的問題啦數量的問題嘛因為如果說很危險的話大家數量都要控制嘛你的意思不是說我原本我的班機多所以我就按比例減少我們的調查是所有的航空公司國航的航空公司都在調查不是針對某一間航空公司 |
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我只是想說你要講一個方案出來那要能夠落實啦保守派遣這四個字很難落實因為原本航空公司它能飛不能飛它有一定的準則嘛比如說它的能見度是要可以看到幾公尺然後它的風速多少機長才會決定要飛或不飛嘛大概會秉持這個原則 |
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而且這個原則是各家不太一樣有的業者他比如說他如果覺得不太能夠降落的時候他可以直接飛走他可以直接飛走就不降落有的業者是說好像他要先試個一次兩次之後才能直接飛走每一家的做法也都不一樣所以你喊出一個保守派遣那到底保守派遣到底是什麼意思 |
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是說我只要比我原本的規定保守就好還是說我們國家定一個標準出來要比我們國家定的標準保守這其實這幾個字我覺得要講得很精準啊所以我是不太知道說你講說保守派遣到底是什麼意思啊 |
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到底做得到還是做不到就我的了解喔那一天中落地的我們會特別啟動調查是因為那一天我不是在討論你要不要調查包含重飛包含這個轉降的比例是比過去的其他颱風更高我現在不是在針對那個個案說要不要調查問題我在講說既然你排了這個專案報告你就要拿出具體能夠把這問題解決的方案出來 |
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因為保守派遣四個字我覺得那個就是一個很空洞很抽象的講法就像當時那一天非常多飛機在飛有很多飛機在上面盤旋那為什麼它重落地主要原因是因為它落地的時候有一個很大的側風 |
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那那個冊封不是一直有啊那就剛好降落的時候有冊封然後你就把他歸咎於說是因為他沒有保守派遣我覺得這樣的歸因太抽象了實際上應該要定一個具體的辦法出來如果你只是跟業者呼籲說你們要保守派遣我跟部長講他不可能的嘛為什麼因為第一個機師的薪水很高啊第二個你如果 |
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交通部沒有一個立場態度說今天停飛的話乘客會覺得說為什麼你不飛還有就是其他家都有飛為什麼只有你不飛他會有很多問題出來還有再加上為什麼氣象署給的報告都不準這也是一個很重要的問題所以不是說罵業者你能沒有保守派遣問題就在業者而是說我們今天交通部甚至氣象署也要提高自己的準確度那交通部怎麼把那個準則定的那天沒有不準的問題 |
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而且我們每個航站他自己都有氣象的單位就是交通部也要定一個準則出來因為你只是講個保守派遣我覺得業者保不保守自由新政啊到底要多保守該怎麼保守然後這個是看他啊所以交通部不是推給人家就沒事啦 |
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我想跟還是跟委員再說明一下保守派遣就是因為颱風很難預測那剛剛委員所說的都對就是說每一個公司機型不同大小不同其實他的一個派遣的準則也不一樣那我們這一次的康瑞颱風跟前兩次來比的話那其實前兩次的重飛比較少這一次的重飛比較多那再來我們四家國籍裡面 |
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向虎航道一點他就自己決定下午就沒有再飛了所以每一家的派遣確實是不同然後也因為機型不同那我們會說保守派遣就是說既然颱風那麼難預測那你航空公司在派遣的時候就要特別掌握及時的資訊然後讓航機可以往後或者是往前盡量不要在那個颱風因為颱風的側風或者是各方面陣風都是很難預測所以為什麼要保守如果 |
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我想你講的也都對啦但是很難操作啦他們都會你講他們不會不做啦但是實際上就不容易操作所以講包牌錢這一句話就是都是一句廢話啦要就定出具體辦法出來第二個很簡單問一下因為之前我有關心我們那個太阪輕軌嘛 |
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我們新北市已經把研究再一次送到交通部去了那時候部長那時候剛來你有承諾我說你會立刻只要收到案子之後開專案會議內部在審查當中對 那個專案會議開了因為又過20天了因為那時候有講到本來就會針對每一個縣市政府他所送來的案子我們會做審查那目前在部裡面正在審查 |
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部長那時候我們講的是說因為這個案子已經拖很久拖一兩年了嘛然後而且每一次問題都是一次發現一個問題拖回去另外發現一個問題拖回去另外發現一個問題拖回去那時候我跟你講的時候你也有認同說我們是不是一次吧開一個專案會議我有特別跟我們部內的單位有交代就是說這一次如果還有什麼問題需要求證請大家一次來討論對對對那那個討論會開了嘛 |
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目前正在研議當中那大概什麼時候會有?您知道這個細節嗎?因為搞不好你不知道這個細節我不曉得那是不是有相關單位的有來?沒有來?沒有來?今天我們是明號講的那這樣子部長你回去幫我們關心一下好不好?就是這個案子已經送去了然後不要再像以前一樣就一直退就是有什麼問題一次然後那個賄賂還沒開的話可不可以早點開因為真的拖很久了好我請他們加速審查好謝謝部長謝謝 |
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好 謝謝葉委員接下來有請張家俊委員張家俊 張家俊委員不在下一位蔡奕瑜委員請發言 |
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謝謝主席那不是有請我們交通部部長以及我們民用航空局的局長何局長韓正思司長也邀請好司長好 |
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呃部長這個我先給你看一個統計表齁這個統計表他說現在臺灣的呃機場的貨運的一個統計那我們可以看出呃第一名的桃園齁他是166呃166萬跟第二名臺北高雄齁都是有很大的距離那從這個表看出來桃園機場佔了臺灣貨運的95.94% |
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那剩下的臺北、高雄、台中、澎湖幾乎只佔了不到5%而且這不到5%又以國內貨運為多也就是我們臺灣的國際貨運超過可能99%以上都在桃園這是為什麼 |
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報告委員這個其實在航空業他們有一個疊加的效應當各國的航班比較多經過那個機場的時候他們有時候會貨物交換或者是有集貨的動作所以它會有一個主要一個集貨當然是集貨的一個方便性那畢竟桃園機場它的航線比較多所以航線多他們在於貨運的一些轉運的時候當然是相對方便是沒有錯但是 |
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但也呈現出來說我們臺灣在於貨運這一塊我們重度依賴桃園其他的機場他相對的功能性沒有被彰顯出來那沒有被彰顯出來自然臺灣除了桃園是一個比較完整符合貨運的機場其他的機場他們在於貨運的基本的配備相對也不夠 |
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好那我要跟你部長那個講的那是大問題事實上我回到我要講的好我要回到我要講的就是說我們應該臺灣要有一個戰略佈局是現在台積電的佈局你看他現在在熊本對他有佈局他的這個晶片的一個晶片廠是但是 |
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我早上在跟經濟部長在對談的時候我也跟他聊到了說是不是類似這樣的晶片廠最後他們要到被使用就要經過封裝那經過封裝他有可能會考慮去高雄的像日月光這樣的封裝廠或者是台積電自己未來他們很重要的COAS先進封裝廠 |
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所以不管是在哪裡製造的晶片最後就是要到封裝需要去一個封裝的一個基地那嘉義正好就是未來台積電COWAS的重點基地所以如果這樣來了我要跟部長來提出一個想法就是說我們有一個水上機場在這邊水上機場的條件我們可以去看一下它現在是軍民合用的一個機場那基本上 |
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這一個機場跑道長度也不會輸給其他的機場你看跑道長度是跟台南一樣跟小港也一樣也比花蓮機場跟台中機場的跑道長度還要長那我們知道嘉義機場過去也有跑過幾次的包機當然是次數很少少之又少 |
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是不定期的包機但是如果以剛剛我講的他以晶圓然後跟日本的熊本以日生活圈的概念他卻是未來可以發展成國際貨運機場 |
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那我們是把台積電把我們的晶片的範圍因為我們要創造我們晶片的台灣要變全世界科技產品的日不落國要日不落國當然這一個國際貨運就很重要了所以我們未來我們的嘉義機場有沒有可能在部長的領導之下我們加強它整個貨運的裝載包括說它裝櫃、拆櫃、裝盤、拆盤裝車、卸車這些 |
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基本的配備來用就好這一個布局起來未來一定有航空公司發現說我從嘉義因為我不用在桃園再去等我從嘉義來做貨運的一個起降相對於其他是方便的尤其對於這一個科技公司來說好 保證我講完了來 純粹讓你來報告委員沒有 我要聽保證說好 |
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從嘉義到台南到高雄到屏東確實這段時間整個科技業難移的現象非常的明顯那我們整體的南部這個南台灣的這個貨運的這個思考我們也做整體在思考啦就是以南部的這個科技業的未來的這個運量有在做思考所以我們整體都會來做一個規劃那委員您今天在建議就是說嘉義機場的部分我們未來也納入這個考量裡面 |
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所以部長你們現在已經有在做南部貨運的一個國際線的一個規劃嘛對不對現在只是說每一個地方都有它的一個優勢當然也有它不利的地方我們嘉義有機場、台南也有機場、屏東、高雄也有一個小港機場但是部長我跟你講一個關鍵點嘉義的一個優勢啦我們這叫做落後的優勢你要在台南、在高雄你發展貨運機場你沒有辦法突破宵禁這一塊啊是是是 |
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那邊的人口那麼多消盡這塊是很嚴肅的問題啊那些舵車那幾乎在你看高雄小港機場在內的那些舵車小港你沒辦法面對這一塊嘛 |
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所以我們家依舊有這個啊我們水上那基本上還不到還不到那麼多的人口數要面對宵禁的相對於方便如果我們這個貨運的積散可以給地方帶來新的一些發展的契機居民也許會同意這個宵禁的一些干擾 |
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所以我覺得這很多因素疊加起來嘉義的水上機場是得天獨我覺得部長你們在做整體的未來南部貨運國際線的時候戰略思考的時候慎重來思考我們的水上機場好不好水上機場明明就好聽水上的機場咧聽到這個人說有台灣很厲害我們飛機都在水上水上起了大家說這台灣有夠強這樣好不好好謝謝謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝蔡委員好 接下來有請王美惠委員王美惠 王美惠委員不在賴士寶委員賴士寶 賴士寶委員不在 |
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好我們今天登記質詢的委員均已發言完畢做以下決議第一報告及詢答完畢第二委員王美惠、蔡其昌所提書面質詢記錄 |
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列入紀錄並刊登公報第三委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面資料及未及答覆部分請交通部盡速以書面答覆第四 |
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討論事項第一案到第三案也就是相關於民航局的單位預算民航事業基金的分預算還有我們淘機公司的營業預算這三案我們另外則其進行處理 |
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委員預算提案於12月5日禮拜四中午12點截止收件本次會議到此結束現在散會謝謝大家也謝謝幾位董事長、總經理謝謝你們 |
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有限公司董事長有限公司董事長有限公司董事長有限公司 |
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中華航空局局長陳世凱 |
| IVOD_ID |
16286 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16286 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-23-10 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-20T08:31:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-20T13:30:00+08:00 |
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