| IVOD_ID |
162842 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162842 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-25T11:01:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-25T11:16:19+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3c0085a4689617f5912ad7a17ed5ac83137b1f10ec760e8b2e30616ee03c0ffc50fbad783241faa65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:01:50 - 11:16:19 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請交通部部長、交通部鐵道局局長、交通部觀光署署長、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司董事長及台灣高速鐵路股份有限公司董事長率所屬相關單位列席就「交通部觀光署、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司及台灣高速鐵路股份有限公司人事調整及新任首長之業務展望」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【若開會當日交通部觀光署新任署長尚未就任，該署部分另擇期排案】） |
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主席謝謝麻煩請陳部長我們陳部長還有我們鐵道局楊局長好鐵道局楊局長兩位董事長還沒有鄭董事長鄭董事長委員好好部長好來鄭董事長跟鐵道局局長好來請來鄭董事長我先請教一下本來以為說要幫你點播一首陶金營的太委屈啊那當然你今天早上又說不委屈啊那 |
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大家說好話啦 新官上任 做一做啦但是我想先請教 十年的高鐵人可不可以講一下說你覺得現在的新任的石董事長你覺得有哪裡是比你更優質的地方讓你覺得是說可以勝任高鐵的這個董事長工作 |
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我想這個對這部分我沒有評論沒有評論我想石董市長他那部長在找您就說要從高鐵轉換台鐵的時候你那時候有沒有問過說誰來接高鐵我並沒有這樣的也沒有問也不知道說誰來接高鐵反正部長找你是部長跟您談 |
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是的部長跟你談就是說你雖然今年一月才從十年的總經理扶正變成董事長但是現在要你去接台鐵燙手山芋確實是部長有跟我講這樣的事情然後你也沒有問說那到底誰來接高鐵我沒有問沒有問那現在揭曉了你也不覺得有任何的奇怪 |
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我想重點是這樣來過來也不會重點是說我被這個指派的這個任務呢我是不是有能力去做這個事情好董事長我非常肯定您過去的專業我也認為說您現在願意來台鐵這個是要把台鐵整頓好台鐵我們很期待所以你提到三個部分安全準點以及便捷這一點本期肯定但要怎麼做來先請教 |
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現在台鐵也是有多事之秋啦不管是現在漲價的部分或者是說戰務員對旅客咆哮還是說其實更多是很多的乘客有一些乘客真的會有攻擊戰務員的狀況這也過去時有所聞嘛 對不對那你要怎麼樣來做會讓台鐵人覺得你可以真真正正跟台鐵人站在一起並且保護台鐵人 |
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我想最重要的陳國剛才也報告這個一定要告訴我們所有的員工我們是做的是運輸服務業運輸服務業最重要的是要以客的需求為導向以客最重要的就是安全最重要的就是準點那就方便便捷 |
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那在這個部分的話呢我們一定要努力來做那但是呢這個所有事情要做成一定是要員工來做的我也認為要有一個滿意的顧客的話一定要先有一個快樂的員工所以在快樂的員工之下呢我要一定要很care我的員工呢他是不是能夠足夠的安心所以他的福利這些呢是我要努力的一個重點福利努力的部分我有看到你上禮拜有跟台鐵工會有先做過座談了是那 |
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是企業工會嘛對不對企業工會是那產業工會有沒有考慮要做談我想我們來看因為目前來看我們先從企業工會來所以產業工會還沒有安排目前還沒有好 那各地咧各地的員工因為看到你們秀出的資料也是幾位代表嘛那各地的員工有沒有現在要去做一個整個來去做了解 |
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有的 我們陸續的會 計畫是什麼陸續的會到各區去像我上禮拜的話呢第三 第三天的話上週第三我就到那個台東去那台東去那邊的話呢就是有來自於各地的我們這個壘球隊的代表那事實上也是代表著整個我們全國代表你現在是行動治理嘛來 那請教那個工會這邊有提出來說希望能夠提高待遇的部分你怎麼看 |
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我想他提出來的這部分的話有兩個我想我們馬上可以來處理的一個就是我們的這個夜間津貼的部分我覺得這個確實這個夜間津貼一個小時120塊其實太低了是那這部分還遠低於現在10星 |
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是因為整個這個十幾年前訂的嘛那第二個呢就是我們的這個主管的加擠這一部分我覺得主管加擠這一部分現在也是跟市場的這個行情差太多所以我這兩部分的話呢那員工的話這個尤其在基層的這個夜間今天能夠安他們的心 |
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另外在這個主管進貼的話最主要是我們尤其是中間幹部他們很需要這個進貼來鼓勵他們否則的話像我們現在一個問題就是說我們有90%的員工還是原來的所謂的有公務員資格的 |
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但是只有新人的話轉正只有10%那這個10%跟這個裡面的話你一定要有一個激勵的作用那麼才能夠抓住他們的心我認為說一定要把我們的我這個內部各個就是我們的員工能夠把他們的整個環境 |
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工資的是友善職場做好以後讓員工能夠得到說這個公司是很care我們的那他才能夠服務旅客是啊 董事長但是你講了半天你還是沒有講清楚這個夜間加急跟這個津貼120元要怎麼調整我們現在提出來多久能夠調整我們現在再提出來來跟工會這邊再討論這個我們會盡快的來定案標準是什麼 |
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標準就是我希望至少就是說我們的物價指數十年來這個物價指數應該是最合理的最低的門檻讓我們用這樣來做過去我知道我們要增加薪水的時候用人費用跟我們的營收的占比有一個上限在那邊這是我們的Handicap但是因為今年開始我們調整票價以後我們營收的話我們分母變大了所以我們這個上限就會有空間 |
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好 本席也正想問啦因為才剛調整完票價不會因為這個夜間的加急以及津貼再調整之後又要再調整票價不會啦 不會不會啦 這你保證啦 好台鐵的管理我們給時間但是要看到成績便捷安全跟準點最基本的要求這一點不過分啦所以拜託鄭董事長這邊一定要說到做到我全力以赴 |
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來抱歉部長時間比較有限但是還是兩個問題跟我們地方有相關我一定要跟您就教雙城巴士上國道這個部分是本席過去一起爭取很久從去年前年我想質詢的時候你也承諾那現在已經有曙光是說預計今年年底會上路有可能那但是雙城巴士的部分造價比較高一台可能將近兩千萬 |
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那有些業者開始在講是說那現在是不是比照現行巴士也有補貼的部分來做一些相關補貼我們有沒有相關辦法報告委員我們公共運輸計畫裡面會放進來是所以這個部分的補貼我們會盡量來協助業者因為我現在也有聽到業者在反映對這個政策即便是上路了他們的成本是個問題那另外就是說但是未來可以再我們想說是 |
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優勢是大於劣勢嘛第一載的量乘客人數多大家可以上車的多也減少車體的空間所以說對於國道的通暢度減能減碳碳排也會降低所以這個政策我們是支持而且我們在往前推進那委員在關心的這個對業者的補助的部分我們的公寓計畫裡面也都會來提供補助不要說到最後過了可以上路了可是一直一台都沒看到因為太貴了買不起 |
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這個部分我會盡量來協助不過到底要不要買車還是由業者來決定是 但我們的補助辦法會在今年年底上路之前一起出來這個會同步 因為它是公共運輸嘛那公共運輸的部分我們該有的補助都會有好 但至少是跟現行的巴士一般巴士的補助的比例是一致的這個部分我會來討論來 部長 另外再請教 |
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本席的選區以及橫跨整個新北市的太阪輕軌最近第四次可行性評估被推薦第四次它橫跨的是泰山新莊板橋土城中和 |
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其實這幾個地方都是光聽名稱地名就是人口密集的地方那第四次可行性評估退回去年本席在請教跟質詢的時候就已經有要求說是不是承諾一個月內匯集相關的審查單位我們跟新北市政府也講清楚到底現在評審委員關心care的點是哪一些一次讓新北市政府補齊啊 |
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可是這一次的推薦理由上一次推薦理由是說跟六四線太近影響六四的維修補強主要理由這一次又說要請新北市在舊土地開發效應納入附屬的事業收入一律 |
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那這理由就又不一致啦上一次是說維修困難這一次是說這個效益太低或是說收入可能不符合支出你不能把周邊土地開發給納入但是其他的軌道建設有沒有這樣的一個評估其實也都有啊 |
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所有的軌道運輸這些評估都放在同步啦那也跟委員報告一下有一個資訊就是說我們針對土地開發效益還有他的附屬事業的收入的這個疑慮在最早的時候就已經有提出不是這一次才提出最早的時候就已經有提出那這幾次的修訂的過程當中應該是新北市政府那邊針對這一項他的說明跟他的這個修正做得還不足所以這一次我們又再提出了一次 |
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是那但是我本席在講的是說這一些都是通盤的部分是是那本來一個軌道的建設整個市的開發大眾的使用運輸的狀況我們都需要大家來做一個討論嘛對沒錯那所以說本席才上一次才會講是說是不是請匯集各單位到底你最care的點是哪一點 |
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那現在本席先確認因為你也講部長你也講說從第一次就有土地效益的部分那一直到這第四次所以現在土地效益是最大的問題 |
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收入就是運量的收入跟土地消費不能劃等號就不要混為一談那如果說能夠克服這一點是不是其他部分就沒有問題目前你不能第三次的時候跟我們講是說是因為64線太近影響64線的維修補強我想每一次的修正的這個提出的問題不會不會只有一個應該是好幾個啦是部長這就是 |
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那我們現在要一直歸納嘛我們現在期待的是說當地方政府送給中央政府來審議的時候我們希望是一直歸納問題而不是第三次的時候說這個六四的維修的問題就第四次退回的時候又說土地的問題那每一次都東跳一個西跳一個那永遠沒有辦法那無怪乎地方會認為是說明明有那麼多行經 |
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新莊、土城、板橋、泰山、中和這一些大家都期待的軌道建設結果卻因為一而再再而三被鐵道局這邊退回報告委員重點是在於該修正的單位要修正到完整 |
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不會是鐵道局的問題鐵道局負責提問題所以我們才會再講是說 部長所以我們才會再講是說請讓我們一次的討論讓大家能夠來聚焦到底你的考題現在著重的點在哪邊嗎這個考題從第一次就已經提出來了他們到現在考題還沒答對部長 來 部長 |
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如果趕快答對本席今天本席今天站在這邊是希望反映大家的心聲因為看到真的這不只是本席的選區是這席包括韓瓜很多其實您之前在台中市政府當議員的時候也為台中的軌道來做努力是啊 |
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當時也希望是中央不分朝野不分藍綠大家共同的一起面對軌道建設所以我們才會希望在去年的時候我是不是在這裡有去年的時候要求說希望能夠鐵道局找相關部會能夠一次的做討論來把問題釐清讓新北市府能夠來做一個完整的一個說明對 這個都有啦現在新北市府會最快的速度也說九月會再送件那針對這部分鐵道局長還有沒有什麼話說 |
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謝謝委員 委員去年特別是有質詢也只是希望我親自來召開這個會議那當時我也開了那現在所講的這些問題其實在當時都跟新北市政府有做過溝通那我們極度的希望新北市政府的修正報告能夠把這個土地開發效益因為所有全國的計畫土地開發效益都是納為自償性經費而不是納為未來營運期間的一種收入 |
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那因為這樣子的一個做法應該是新北市政府是首例那因為此例一開的話會影響到所有捷運計畫的一種所謂審議上面的公平性所以這一題我們是真的希望新北市政府能夠這個按照我們的這樣的一個期望去做修正那我們會盡速來協助這個案子往下一個程序來進行 |
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兩方部分都要一起努力但最重要的是地方的需求要被重視所以這也是為什麼如果說中央部會有很明確的講清楚那新北市府也要很明確的回答兩方來聚焦才不會讓地方一直有期待是說奇怪怎麼會一而再再而三被退件那我們在中間扮演的就是一個溝通協調的角色就是希望讓兩方可以持續的把問題點給釐清清楚了才能夠往下走嘛是的 |
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是這個部分是不是請鐵道局長也再讓我們知道是說上一次開會的一個內容是好不好那我們這邊該要求新北市府再繼續送件我們一定會要求跟督促我們再跟委員報告這都是地方民眾大家共同的期待我們再跟委員報告好 謝謝謝謝委員 |