IVOD_ID |
162837 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162837 |
日期 |
2025-06-25 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-17 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
3 |
會議資料.會次 |
17 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2025-06-25T11:24:26+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2025-06-25T11:41:20+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:16:54 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3c0085a4689617f5ebbc42eff417c1762e63c9c5beafd2002e30616ee03c0ffc35afc5b0a4ba0bcf5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
陳超明 |
委員發言時間 |
11:24:26 - 11:41:20 |
會議時間 |
2025-06-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議(事由:邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、經濟部部長、農業部部長及中央銀行首長就「因應國際經貿情勢變化,如何協助我國產業面對台幣匯率及國際能源價格遽變」進行報告,並備質詢。【6月23日及6月25日二天一次會】) |
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首先有請國外會我們的高屋主委高屋主委好 |
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你是國會最老的一個副主委不是最有經驗啦,不能講你老最有資歷的,這樣你就會笑出來完全同意那個委員的說法 |
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那在上週我來請教大西股計畫裡面有關於厚隆產業科技園區主管機關的規則那現在劉志偉的回覆是經濟部我們會跟經濟部切入作為中央目的事業主管機關我這裏面還有兩個就是另外的燭燃科學研究科 |
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劉指揮也答應說在兩週之內他會跟國務科會來進行協調所以在這我會請最有經驗最資深的高屋指揮今天劉指揮不在但是我希望你記得他講的話說兩週之內他一定會去協調一個進展來恢復本席這你幫我介紹一下好 |
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苗園館大溪谷計畫能持續的推動這都是我們苗園館所期待的事情但是現在厚農產業園區中央目的事業主管機關是屬於政府政府這個也確定了但是我們再去研究之後發現有一個問題大條體了因為這裡面有一個就是 |
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火龍科技產業園區是特定農業區但是農業部長有沒有在因為農業部有時候很難溝通農業部的立場 |
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就是特定農業區要變更使用的話一定要經行行政院核定的計畫或公共建設手續的計畫的用地鐵台電衣工委特定農業區要改變使用的話它是屬於行政院核定 |
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我現在剛才好像說完沒有合作那個副市長你也最了解厚隆那個科技產業研區叫做水尾田就是我們灌溉所在的孩子部長大概跟我比較小的我就不曉得你不曉不曉得水尾田就是以前我們在灌溉都要看那個灌溉的時候都要審產水我都經歷這個階段 |
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那很早很早以前他這一塊就農地重化了他現在在做什麼呢土豆 水粿 還有花生經濟的效益其實沒有而且他是屬於輪貫的地區 |
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休耕的地區已屬於大區輪輪班的第七地啊我現在常常遇到這個問題所以你們的規定是叫做國家重大建設但是高屋主委你們現在都在跟我講就是大溪谷計畫是國家重要政策喔這有點像你們不懂啊這文字遊戲我很怕你們都不承認啊 |
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我現在要跟高副指揮報告的是說,頭尊堯大西谷計劃是賴總統的尊見行政院長、左院長去苗栗,我們苗栗你們要好好開發,苗栗才能繁榮進步 |
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國安法會將大四股計畫視為114年到117年國家發展計畫發展的一個策略跟政策我現在要求行政院告訴我大四股計畫是國家的重大建設好像沒什麼人敢去答應 |
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我覺得肩膀要硬一點你這有辦法幫我協調溝通嗎好把它合同為國家重大經濟的建設這樣我們就開始推動了啊副市長我這跟你講不然你來看看你問我們來行的他剛好在灌溉裡面我們叫做水尾田啦那都多死於沙地實在不適宜耕種了啊會讓位很多的資源在那一邊啊 |
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我現在要拜託你行政院好像對於這一點比較不重視你可以去跟我們溝通我們只要是屬於國家重大的經濟建設 |
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你這樣有了解嗎?我跟委員報告一下,國營關心的竹南、投奉還有後龍這個三個區域,的確是納在我們桃園桃竹苗大細股的推動方案竹南跟投奉是屬於科學園區,然後後龍的產業園區是屬於產業園區那分屬於國科衛跟經濟部,那的確竹委有答應委員我們會在兩個 |
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禮拜裡面的協調因為不管是產業園區是科學園區的認定都是要由主管機關來做認定那我們會扮演中間協調的角色剛剛講到有關於後農的農業的這些農牧用地 |
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特定農業用地應該是不是他要必須要符合農業用地的變更使用的審議作業規範的要點那基本上他只要屬於重大的國家重大的公務建設的話他都可以進行變更那這個我們會在那個審議這個會議裡面呢我們去協調農業部那我們基本上因為這些認定還是必須要主責單位來來做認定可是我們會全力的協調 |
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你這樣子講有一點玩文字遊戲啊我以為沒有問題的你特種農業區一定要行政院行政院核大的國家重大建設他才要給你掛 我只要這幾億而已 |
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你告訴我這個屬於國家重大建設計畫這樣我就好了這樣你有辦法去完成這個大計畫因為那還是屬於農業用地我某個程度上不是啦 這樣推來推去我站在這裡站到生意講幾十天這樣講幾個年了怎麼跟你們說呢我覺得因為主委已經答應兩個禮拜內要做協調那是屬於國各位的現在我是要行政院 |
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因為我們裡面有一個法規規定如果你聽得好喔特種農業區要變更土地的話一定要行政院核准的重大監測我看那個法令有沒有規定沒有出來給你我現在是這樣你們聽得懂嗎 |
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行政院合併的中大公共建設,它有益於它的行政程序?好啦,這樣說到簡單的,你們這本事實在是很後悔的啊你也是念法律系畢業的喔?我不是念法律系畢業,我是公務員做很久,知道一切都要依法行政我現在問你,大四股計畫,是國家重大的政策對不對?是的那它是國家重大的經濟建設嗎? |
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發大聲對我們滿懷的期待,要不然你們自己玩文字遊戲我怕了我怕了,不然我不會這個問題一直的嘛你不要笑,笑不能解決問題啊主委已經有說我們會全力協調可是所有的作業程序還是要依照行政程序來對付我敢敢你重大政策,大西谷計畫 |
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從台中以北最重要的一個經濟經濟的最重要的一個建設你自己設政策我叫你給我肯定一下國家重大的經濟建設這樣而已你不要跟我談政策我們就了解我自己要的就是國家重大經濟建設這樣而已你給我發一個文來我們就交退下去不然我們會怕 |
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你這樣到底聽得到嗎聽得到聽得到我會表達我會表達給我們主委知道要怎麼解決你上位機關啊你們是計畫你們推動的啊你這個政策是行政院核定的啊我現在要再進一步請行政院核定是屬於國家中大的 |
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那個經濟計畫經濟建設這樣而已還是要用行政院合計我幾個月可以給我改革了好啦 多久我主委有說兩個禮拜包括這個 現在是講的是 |
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這個講的農業部他在特種農業區所以一定要行政院核整國家重大建設他才好過不然給農業部推來推去推到腳都會軟 |
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好不好 阿副處長你了解配合一下 拜託一下我們會配合行政院的中台的經濟建設我都要那幾年了 它就沒力了 國家重大出錯你這樣搞我搞得迷迷糊糊我們不打爛仗要推動經濟 補充對嗎 補充啊要推動經濟就是要腳踏實地對不對 |
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我們非常贊同這個委員的指教我贊成你的指教好 你有什麼要告訴我我做委員支持你們的政策各方面的好不好謝謝委員我還有一點時間 中央銀行的在不在有在 原副總裁在這個哈林盟的中央銀行 |
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委員好副總裁好現在大家匯率就跟你們有關係但是我一天吃飯有一個專家跟我說你要特別注意美國的什麼大額美法案對不對要說這一點裡面有一個金融科技法案他說美國的美債36兆它要轉化為虛擬貨幣 |
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如果你要拿到虛擬貨幣的發債錢,要把他36兆的美債買來,買他的美債才能發行虛擬貨幣,有沒有這個事情嗎?目前...要恭喜這位喔! |
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他們最重要是在這一條啊美國財政部他希望他的穩定幣裡面有一塊是由他發的公債來支持啦但是這個都是還在發展中因為過去已經有了那只是說會不會想起會不會成為很大的規模其實其實因為我們美債那麼多 |
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如果我們去把美在拿我們花零我們中華民國的那個新年貨幣等於之前的貨幣 |
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那個鮑爾委員 這是兩個不同的問題啦對對對 我想到不同的問題美國人會做的 現在付這個多少錢就花虛擬貨幣把美債降低下來用虛擬貨幣在那邊轉啊他們說這個才是大生意啊這個是我們一直在關注的發展計劃如果有這樣 你要怎麼樣大家可能還沒有注意到大額美的法案他說最重要就是這一條 |
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發行虛擬貨幣來美再來發行虛擬貨幣那個報告委員其實我們一直在關注不管是穩定幣或虛擬貨幣這些發展的情況那我想我們一直有在關注這個問題的未來的問題現在世界黨來黨去你來預估一下我們的匯率會升值到哪裡 |
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那個報告委員我們的我們固定的答案就是我們看市場你固定的答案就是不能講要配合美國來動作啊沒有沒有沒有我們有自己的啦有擔當的啦那個報告委員匯率是由我們自己決是央行自己來參與市場的啊我從42塊 |
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我們過去幾年我們也看到台幣其實它的波動幅度還蠻大的啦 |
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到幾個啦 我自己要知道到幾個讓外銷進口的人有一點應用的測試啊這個報告委員 這個也要看那個國際美元的走勢是怎麼樣你看美國那個什麼美食比貨幣有多硬總統講的話不聽欸啊你這邊也要跟我們講一下大概給我們這些台灣是貿易國家嘛你大概我們貨率會貶值到大概多少錢啊 |
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我們匯率,您是說升值還是貶值?沒有,沒辦法出口的就叫做升值,進口的要貶值,進口的要升值這個東西因為匯率它基本上有影響的因素有很多有國際的因素我剛才講過的國際美元的走勢 |
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國內的這些進出口的表現都會影響到我看是由天不由人啦我們是隨波逐流啦跟著大概也會跟著沒有沒有那個報告委員因為我們是一個那個管理室的浮動匯率在必要的時候我們一直在維持匯率的相對穩定的現在大家都在反對這個問題他們一講不做事情就會虧損了很多錢啊連我們政府還好嗎 |
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我們的競爭者也很多啊匯率是我們外銷最重要的一個工具啊所以維持匯率穩定一直是我們一直在做的事啊我是要問你一個答案你跟你們的總裁一樣手口如瓶稍微透露一下你在財政委員會可以稍微透露也在經濟委員會透露因為匯率跟台灣的經濟外銷產業是息息相關的大概多少 |
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也就是因為它不完全是由我們自己單方面能夠預測或決定的所以它是一個蠻複雜的一個市場因素在主導那當然央行在必要的時候我們會維持匯率的穩定希望促進台灣產業的發展是 |
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我們外交還能很順利現在還沒有發生現在是搶後期等那個對等期限一到的話對等關稅期限一到的時候可能會有很大的變化要特別的注意謝謝謝謝委員指導好 謝謝 |