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| 會議時間 |
2024-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政、內政、經濟、教育及文化、交通、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、邀請相關部會首長就「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第4期特別預算執行情形及成效」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查行政院函請審議「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案(114年度)」（僅詢答）。
【預算提案截止時間：11月27日（三）中午12時】
【11月20日及21日二天一次會】） |
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財政部國庫署陳伯承署長國使館陳醫生館長中央研究院廖俊志院長國立故宮博物院蕭忠煌院長國家發展委員會國發會專方冠副主委 |
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2113.579 |
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2138.501 |
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聯名會的曾志勇主委、副委會的谷秀菲主委、行政法人國家原子能科技研究院的張永瑞副院長、行政院公共工程委員會的陳金德主委、 |
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2143.639 |
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2155.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].text |
內政部的董建宏次長教育部的鄭英耀部長經濟部的何進昌次長交通部的林國賢次長勞動部的陳明仁次長 |
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2171.214 |
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2198.502 |
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農業部的陳俊濟部長衛福部的邱太元部長環境部的彭啟明部長文化部的李遠部長速發部的黃燕蘭部長國家科學及技術委員會的吳承文主委 |
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2200.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
2204.06 |
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我們在場的林德福委員最認真的 |
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2222.527 |
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2230.705 |
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好,接著我們請下面的相關部會進行報告每位報告時間3到5分鐘我們先請行政院陳組記者 |
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2244.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
2268.382 |
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主席、各位委員、女士、先生今天應邀大院第11屆第2期聯席會議並就中央政府前瞻基礎建設第4期特別預算執行情形及成效進行專題還有第5期的預算案編列情形來做報告那第一個先就第4期特別預算執行情形成效來做報告前瞻基礎 |
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2269.122 |
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2277.765 |
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第一期到第三期到111年度執行期滿並辦理特別決算完均。第四期實施期間是112年到113年,最初預算數是2,098億,包括軌道建設537億、水環境建設451億、綠能建設127億、 |
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2292.19 |
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2305.695 |
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數位建設380億元、城鄉建設473億元、義營少子女化友善育兒空間建設14億元、食品安全建設14億元及人才培育促進就業建設102億元 |
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2307.876 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
2317.122 |
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那中央前瞻基礎第4期特別預算節制113年度9月30日之累計執行數1614元佔累計分配數1665億元之96.9%相互表那各機關編列和執行情形檢要說明如下依總統府主管依國事館編列預算 |
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2332.573 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
2350.689 |
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主要是建立總統、副總統、文物和重大歷史事件數位展示平台等。第二個,中央研究院編列預算數0.91億元執行數0.71億元主要是辦理綠能科技、產業政策四大主軸等二個儲能系統整合等。 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
2351.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
2376.513 |
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行政院主管一、國家委員會編列預算數1111億元執行數76億元主要是辦理5G創新應用計畫等原住民委員會編列預算15億元執行數13億元主要是辦理原民部落營造計畫等客家委員會編列8億元執行數5億元主要是辦理世界客家博覽會及2023浪漫台山縣藝術祭等 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
2380.094 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
2399.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
那河南安全委員會編列4億元執行數3億元主要是辦理綠能化電配電智慧管理與效能提升技術發展等。內政部主管編列預算數242億元執行數189億元主要是補助地方政府辦理都市排水改善工程等。 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
2401.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
2423.201 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
教育部主管編列預算數41億元執行數32億元主要是辦理高級中等學校智慧網路環境及學術網路提升計畫等經濟部主管編列583億元執行數490億元主要是補助直轄市縣市館河川排水治理等交通部主管編列預算數696億元執行數 |
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2426.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
2452.544 |
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二十五億元主要是辦理新北桃園的捷運建設計畫還有台南市鐵路地下化等那農業部主管編列六十一億元執行數四十二億元主要是辦理阿里山林業鐵路設施設備安全提升計畫等衛生福利部編列預算數四十二億元執行數二十二億元主要是辦理長照衛福據點計畫整建長照ABC據點等那環境部主管編列 |
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2453.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
2463.729 |
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預算數7億元、執行數5億元,主要是統合各部會資源、能量、共同推動水域環境營造及水資源削減設施設置等 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
2468.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
2493.101 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
再來是文化部主管編列52億元執行數40億元主要是辦理數位建設計畫強化台灣原生文化內容產製及豐富民眾的數位生活等數位發展部主管編列預算數177億元執行數124億元主要是推動非同步衛星應變通訊網路建置強化我國海南安全防護機制等 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
2493.941 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2516.709 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
國家科學及技術委員會主管編列預算數58億元執行數45億元主要是拜臨國家海嵐聯網中心限制等。中央政府前瞻計畫第4期特別預算執行至今已經轉向許多面向執行成效,所謂加速推動國家重大基礎建設化和持續促進產業轉型,提升國家競爭力、生產福利等效益,各主管機關將持續就各項 |
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2518.329 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2530.953 |
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計劃積極辦理本總書亦將持續督導各機關加速執行有關計畫提升預算執行績效以下再針對中央前瞻計畫建設基礎第5期特別預算來提出報告那前瞻基礎計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
2532.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2560.385 |
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截至第4期總額上限是8400億元．截至第4期址已編列7697億元．為更新發展前瞻基礎建設國家發展委員會和國家科學和技術委員會會同相關的機關來做先行的作業審查。行政院依據先期作業審查結果並完成前瞻基礎建設第5期特別預算實施期程是在114年度． |
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2563.126 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2578.715 |
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總金額703億元．主要內容如下．一、機關別辯列的情形主要包括．一、經濟部主管辯列207億元．主要是辦理、加速縣市管河川排水及海岸防護制防洪綜合治理計畫． |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
2579.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2604.812 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
交通部主管編列145議員主要是改善停車問題計畫提升道路品質計畫還有台海鐵路地消化計畫等政府主管編列127議員主要是辦理志向市及縣市高路網、校水道和都市排水改善等社會發展部等編列48議員包括補助5G網路建設和政府基層數位韌性強化計畫等 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
2607.173 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2619.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
農業部主管編列42億元,主要辦理市、直銷市和縣市管河川區域排水、上游及水區山坡地及土砂災害處理等。教育部主管編列41億元,主要辦理2030雙語政策計畫。 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
2623.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2638.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
提升公共圖書館建屋耐震能力的那衛生福利部編列34億元包括食品安全建設計畫、補助地方衛生機關、社區安老人活動中心等國家科學和科技委員會主管編列17億元包括提升公共服務網 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2639.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2661.641 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
網路傳輸效率雲端服務品質及建設公共服務內容傳遞網路等。那文化部主管編列14億元主要是包括文化生活圈建設計畫補助地方政府範圍藝文場館危險建築物、耐震補償工程等。那在識別編列的情形如下經濟發展支出是有415億元居所稅出總額 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2665.024 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2673.568 |
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佔稅數總額59%,教育文化支出171億元次制,佔稅數總額24.4%,社區發展及環境支出50億元,佔稅數總額7.1%,社會福利支出36億元,佔稅數總額5.1%,一般政務支出31億元,佔稅數總額4.4%以上,稅務支出財源所需703億元,全數已舉借債務之以上。報告,敬請主席和各位委員、女士、先生、會議、指教並領力支持。謝謝。 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2695.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2710.995 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
謝謝陳主席長接著針對剛剛主席長報告這些預算我們請各個部會3到5分鐘簡略的報告一下首先我們先請預算最多的經濟部經濟部是何次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2722.842 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2737.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
主席、各位委員,今天承蒙貴委員會聯席會議,邀請就本部前瞻基礎建設計畫第4期的特別預算執行情形及成效列席來做報告,敬各位委員不吝指教。本部第4期的前瞻基礎建設計畫共45項,特別預算580張, |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2741.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2744.636 |
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已達到1082百分比,為加速計畫如期如此達成目標與預期效益,本部逐月召開公共建設推動匯報,管控中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2764.023 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2772.531 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
禮成碑及確保工程品質逐項計畫檢討執行進度與問題,協助執行落後計畫提出因應對策,排除困難。此外,執行期間並依據廣考作業準則等規定於每季提報執行進度,送國外會証,11年提出年度 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2786.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2805.24 |
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指定績效檢討報告送大院來備查,僅就主要建設計畫執行的狀況及成效分數如下。水環境計畫水環境建設包含水與發展、水與安全及水與環境。第一到四期可 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2806.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2834.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
可增供常態水源每日40.74萬噸等可以改善相關的淹水的面積23.72、27平方公里營造清水空間452.27億元所以環境發展主要是辦理否則原水管、鳥水潭、人工湖以及白河水庫的更新改善增溫、南化、聯通管等水資源建設 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2837.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2852.069 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
以因應庫案的缺水風險及供應發展所需要的用水。水與安全主要輔助直轄市縣市管河川排水治理第4期以完成提防庫案及排水路的改善 。 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2854.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2883.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
公里增加自容空間45萬餘立方公尺改善淹水面積121.7平方公里所以環境為補助縣市政府辦理水域周遭還有淨水及清水等水環境改善工程再來綠能建設部分配合2050年進行轉型的一個政策本部前瞻計畫投入支援協助開發國內再生能源強化電力系統整合與儲能電網的部件 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2884.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2908.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
擴大碳封存等前瞻技術的開發其中強化電網運轉彈性公共建設計畫第4期已經完成龍潭變電所及東山變電所的儲能系統可依系統頻率高低、自動充放電另外,高雄海洋科技產業創新專區已經在110年1月11日啟用 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2914.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2926.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
海上中心引進包含水下技術服務及運維的技術。仁培中心已經取得國際風能組織及離岸遊器行業訓練機構訓練場域的國際驗證。 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2929.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2947.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
另外推動碳循環關鍵技術開發計畫以及減碳場域示範技術的一個計畫建立國內自主碳循環的一個技術第4期已經與中鋼、中油、啟美等公司合作建置5項的碳輔作利用 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2948.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2949.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
二、審查行政院函請審議:「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案 »: |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2963.012 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2965.693 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
二、審查行政院函請審議:「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算． |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2988.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2990.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
3012.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
3028.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
中小企業5G創新應用服務計畫以協助中小企業接軌5G創新應用服務及擴大創新應用場域共帶動4,576家的中小企業參與另外城鄉建設的部分本部推動強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
3029.548 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
3054.129 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
地方工業區公共設施補助方案與設置平價產業園區補助方案第一期到第4期已經同意補助138案共122.89億元另外為了新增生產研發空間與產業用地本部也推動提升加工區的用地效能創新產業升級計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
3056.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
3077.381 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
另外,推動城鄉特色產業發展計畫及推動中小企業城鄉創新轉型計畫,總共第4期協助城鄉創生業者1,112家。另外,在人才培育促進就業建設的部分,本部透過客製化培訓、代案實作等, |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
3078.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
3093.974 |
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等培育的方式引進企業數位轉型能力的中高階領導人才。另外,第4期共計培育4041人並充裕企業轉型所需要的新科技、軟體人才共計4780位。 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
3095.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
3123.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
另外透過補助企業開設優質的職階以實習的方式來培育學生銜接報考IPAS的能力鑑定最後軌道建設部分在112年的10月7號已經完成嘉義蒜頭糖廠五分車的延始故宮南苑軌道工程的通車可以活絡地方的光光以上報告敬請各位委員指正視角 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
3125.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
3130.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
另外針對第5期特別預算的一個編列的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
3134.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
3159.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
在水環境建設總共編列138.57億元包括水與發展的部分是辦理水庫防禦的隧道以及供水系統改善及集水區保育治理等水資源的一個工程在水與安全的部分是持續辦理直轄市縣市管河川排水治理海岸防護等 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
3160.193 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
3160.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
提供新規範圍及新規範圍及新規範圍 |
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3171.763 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
3183.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
第二項綠能建設部分總共編列16.75億元,總共有下列五項時間的關係我就簡略第三項數位建設編列37.08億元,總共有三大項計畫,請委員參閱第四項是編列推廣數位公益的服務,總共編列兩項計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
3197.116 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
3226.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
曾襄建設編列13.5億元包括開發在地型的產業園區以及公共服務據點的一個整備最後一項人才培育促進就業建設編列0.96億元以上本期所編列的計畫是當前整體經濟發展與治水工程所需要急需落實推動,懇請各位委員先進會議支持與指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
3227.778 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
3242.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
謝謝何次長其實我們下面報告的時候第4期的部分大概注重報告這個執行率然後講一下第5期要做什麼3到5分鐘好謝謝就請交通部的林次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
3254.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
3283.252 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
主席、各位委員、各位女士、各位先生今天亦要就交中央政府前瞻基礎建設第4期特別預算執行成效跟第5期編列請行跟各位委員會做專題報告進行各位委員指教那有關交通部主管前瞻計畫第4期特別預算部分本部主管的第4期特別預算共36項計畫編列695.837億元包含軌道、綠能、城鄉、數位及水環境建設等五大類別 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
3284.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
3304.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
引下各項計畫執行情形做檢要報告第一、軌道建設部分本部主管計畫包含台鐵、高鐵的連結城網、台鐵升級跟改善東部服務、鐵路立體化跟通勤提訴都市推動捷運、中南部觀光鐵路及軌道規劃作業等6大項、25項計畫總共編列511.616億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
3309.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
3324.689 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
節制一、三年九月底累計分配數是385.535億元執行數389.919億元這個執行率超過100%主要是含已執行應付未付數那中央執行成效包含安坑縣青軌 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
3326.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
3346.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
已於112年2月10日通車。淡海清軌綠山線在107年12月24日通車。南海線第一期109年11月15日通車。臺北都會區三陰線的部分已完成全線軌道的交織跟電聯車實施列的安全驗證。高雄都會區岡山路主沿線的部分第一階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
3348.385 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
3366.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
是R24到岡山車站RK1的部分在今年的6月30日通車。台北都會驅動檢驗系統萬大綜合樹林線的部分第二期工程分別在今年的3月1日開工跟28日進行開工典禮。 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
3369.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
3386.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
桃園都會區大眾捷運系統航空城捷運部分三標分別有相關進度請參閱。台南都會區鐵路地下化C214跟C213各有分別進度請參閱。台中都會區捷運南線計畫完成基本設計審議。 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
3387.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
3401.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
第二大項綠能建設部分包含營造深度減碳運輸環境及打造低耗能交通場域及公共充電窗設置及區域充電需求評估計畫兩項編列10.6億元至9月底為止分配數5.399,執行率82.63,執行成效請參約 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
3410.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
3428.904 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
城鄉建設的部分本部主管包含停車問題的改善提升道路品質計畫、海洋觀光計畫、油氣侵水跟觀光前瞻建設等五項計畫總共編例150.759億元截至9月底為止累計分配數109.622億元執行率110.639、執行率100% |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
3432.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
3439.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
重要成果的部分公路系統以合定683項分項計畫執行642項完工另外還有41項設計中預計明年114年全部執行完畢另外補助縣市政府優化道路1700公里 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
3449.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
3476.791 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
改善停車路問題的部分合訂各縣市整理規劃20件可進行評估59件補助20個縣市等請參與觀光前瞻的部分總共有24項亮點工程1月3年底完成12處亮點工程油氣清水計畫的部分港公司的部分在花蓮港、旅營大樓的部分在今年6月30號已經完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
3477.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
3481.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
社會建設部分編列4項計畫,編列19.748億元,累計到9月底為止執行17.068億元,執行率99% |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
3490.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
3506.975 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
另外,水環境的部分,配合水利署省道橋樑改善及油氣據點的建置兩項計畫,執行100%,其他部分請參閱。有關第5期預算的部分,請各位參閱另一本報告。這本報告我們編列了144.567億元, |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
3514.012 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
3523.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
軌道建設部分56.64億元,其中包含高鐵、彰化站及台鐵的轉行計畫3億4500萬元,辦理先期計畫及土地取得。淡海輕軌系統編列1.64億元,辦理先期計畫及專案管理建造。 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
3532.344 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
3558.042 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
台北都會區萬大綜合樹林縣部分第二期工程編列9億元辦理工程設計及相關配合工作桃園都會區當用捷運系統捷運綠線延伸到中壢火車站及土地整合計畫編列1.7億元辦理工程設計及施作高雄都會區岡山路竹延伸線第一階段及第二階段部分編列6.8億元辦理工程設計及施作 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
3559.694 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
3587.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
岡山路竹延伸線第二期2B的部分編列5730億元,辦理工程設計跟施作其他台磊集體支線、台南鐵路地下化、嘉義市鐵路高架化延伸以及機場捷域第三航站A14設置、軌道規劃等請參閱第二大廂城鄉建設編列76.991億元,包含海洋觀光、油氣清水、觀光油氣建設計畫改善停車問題等部分請參閱 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
3589.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
3596.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
第三大項綠營建設編1.545億元．包含氫燃料電池大客車示範運行計畫1.2億元．智慧電動巴士的部分編列3,450萬元．第四大項數位建設編列6.8億元．包含台灣光纜通道計畫4.8億元．民生公共物聯網數據跟都會區的強震預警系統．編列3,600億元．辦理地震的觀測系統設備． |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
3619.119 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
3638.359 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
第三項強化氣象資訊建設計畫編列8000萬元第4項編列5G提升效能的部分9000萬元第5項水環境建設編列2億5000萬元辦理縣市管河川跟區域排水2億5100萬元配合水利署來辦理整道橋樑改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
3639.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
3663.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
相關的建設計畫我們都透過強化審議跟規劃加強各計畫主辦機關的盤點以及定期召開重大工程督導會報來管控另外本部執行情會持續來檢討以上報告請各位委員會支持跟指教謝謝好謝謝林次長看交通部的執行率很高接著我們請內政部董事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
3678.942 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
3701.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
主席、各位委員及各位在場的政府同仁大家好請就前瞻基礎建設第4期特別預算本部執行狀況提出簡要報告請各位委員指教本部主管前瞻預算第4期特別預算執行內容包括水環境、綠能環境、數位建設與城鄉建設等4大類截至113年10月底為止總共執行數202億7千多萬元佔總分配額216億9千多萬元的93.42% |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
3707.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
3728.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
那其中在水環境的部分我們執行了縣市河川的下水道改善工程計畫那麼已經完成了水道改善工程221.7公里增加都市滯洪量12.33萬立方公尺那在水環境的部分我們整個的污水處置的方式包括從106年開始執行至今已經完成污水處理廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
3730.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
3744.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
功能提升規劃三座建置污水管線及檢視更新37,831公尺接管用戶累計47,366萬戶水環境改善17處營造清水空間65.40公頸其中第4期已經完成4個案子也可以完成水環境亮點1處在竹溪附近也創造清水空間受益人數達1300人以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
3756.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
3768.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
營造5.3公頃的清水環境提供3000㎥的滯洪空間在綠能建設的部分本部推動相關的綠能淨零轉型總共執行數1億8000多萬元舉辦了相關的研習會及培訓課程完成既有公有 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
3775.815 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
3798.694 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
建築物的能效評估達18件,計有建築物能效評估輔導計120件。在整個公有建築改善及避難空間的能效改善的部分,執行數4億1370萬元,已經完成補助中央政府15個機關以及地方政府20個機關的公有建築的能效改善,讓整個環境變得比較能節能。 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
3799.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
3807.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
有關數位建設的部分,內政部的雲世代雲端基礎建設總共執行數1491萬元,已經提供了514個系統的介接,年平均服務使用次數逾3.5億次。 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
3816.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
3832.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
在整個擴大災害訊息的部分,我們執行了1億1千多萬餘元,已經完成訊息平台與3家無線電視台的自動跑馬訊息的連結機制,也完成了119指揮系統派點重大案情的系統化及圖像化的優化。 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
3833.843 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
3848.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
災害防救及智慧應變系統執行數6,900餘萬元已經完成應變管理系統、全民防災一點通系統以及消防救災一點通系統等功能擴張,也配合國家防災日活動,扮演全國線網路演習。 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
3852.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
3873.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
警消微博網路系統移頻執行數4億3千餘萬元本部警政署的經營下已經完成了第一至第二期建設工程騰出4800百萬赫茲到4900百萬赫茲的頻道專攻5G使用今年年底也會完成第三階段移波騰出4700百萬赫茲到5000百萬赫茲的移波 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
3879.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
3899.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
本署的消防署的一波相關專案也已在今年10月的時候完成全國59站台的實地的查驗跟竣工在今年年底會完成全部的案件那在5G智慧警察行動服務計畫裡面我們執行數1億8900餘萬元那累積建置延展實境測訓9案SR的訓練達1000人次以上累積建置了22個警察 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
3908.524 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
3929.501 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
局的智慧化交通系統以及異地備份的系統一共108站等在消防5G場域的部分,我們執行了7100餘萬元,完成整個特種系統的開發在前瞻建設的部分,我們執行了108億5000餘萬元,已經完成無障礙空間的改善搭 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
3930.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
3955.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
一百零二點五四公里,綠化面積一萬多公頃公共道路排除障礙三百零七處等在城鄉風貌的部分,我們執行了十四點五七億已經合訂了四百五十一件新增級改善公園綠地約一百二十八公頃,新植橋木一萬多棵在加速推動地方創生的部分也合訂了三十一件公有建築補強的部分,我們也 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
3956.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
3970.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
執行了166件的內政評估補強工程45件以及拆除重建24件以上是本部有關第4期的部分在第5期的部分我們將編列相關的預算包括水環境34億、綠能建設5億5000萬、數位建設部分3257億 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
3978.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
4007.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
三千兩百五十七萬以及城鄉建設部分八十七億總共編列一百二十七億那希望能夠改善整個區域排水的部分以及綠能轉型還有數位建設希望將整個智慧防災跟雲端系統提升那在城鄉建設的部分我們特別提到我們將會編列六十五億的經費透過人本交通人本環境綠色交通生態路網還有智慧建設教育宣導等部分呢希望能夠提升整體生活環境的改善那對公有建築的部分我們也 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
4008.842 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
4022.198 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
針對這編列的22.3億來採算整個公有危險建築物的部分,那希望能夠獲得委員的支持。以上,謝謝。好,謝謝董事長。接著我們請數位發展部,黃部長,謝謝。 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
4040.668 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
4060.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
主席、各位委員、各位女士、先生大家好今天就應邀就前瞻基礎建設本部第4期的特別預算執行情形及成效及本部主管部門進行報告深感榮幸跟請委員指教及支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
4061.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
4083.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
根據國家發展委員會行政院府計畫管理資訊網及國家科學技術委員會政府科技計畫資訊網的資料統計本部第4期的整體計畫執行率是95.24主要是建構開放政府及智慧城鄉服務基礎建設環境、產業數位轉型、數位人才淬鍊、5G |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
4088.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
4108.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
基礎公共建設、縮短5G偏鄉數位落差、推廣數位公益服務、人才培育促進就業等建設。以上就本部辦理中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第4期的預算做簡要報告。敬請各位委員予以支持及指教。 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
4108.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
4120.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
並祝各委員健康如意。在第5期的我們的預計要執行的計畫裡面在以下也做一些簡單的報告我們目前編列的計畫是47億5534萬6千元那幾個重要計畫我在這裡做一個簡單報告第一個是強化公部門網路服務與運算雲端基礎設施計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
4133.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
4153.85 |
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這個計畫編列了1,354萬5千元,為強化借街政府公共網路交換中心韌性及政府公有雲環境,以提升雲世代政府公共服務所需的雲端預算,儲存資料雲端服務,強化政府關鍵服務韌性及雲端服務品質, |
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一、管理及硬體的維護成本．二、政府及基層數位韌性強化計畫強化偏鄉通訊網路可用性．這個計畫編列了4800萬元．為確保通訊服務的可用性．提升偏鄉、益城、孤島地區的通訊網路的韌性．使民眾在災害、災難的時候能夠隨時取得可用的資訊． |
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社會、經濟及國家安全提高整體通訊網路韌性第三個計畫是補助5G網路建設計畫這個計畫編列了26億9351萬5千元這是為了驅動台灣數位轉型使民眾能夠享受到高速行動網路及智慧生活的便利我國自110年就開始推動5G前瞻計畫 |
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透過協助電信業者進行5G建設．加速完善我國的數位基盤．必利產業數位轉型．並發展多樣化的應用服務．下一個計畫是強化偏鄉地區行動寬頻網路．韌性及禁用的基礎建設建置計畫．編列了2億2500萬元． |
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契用於偏鄉地區建置90台以上的行動基地台以強化偏遠地區行動網路的韌性確保偏鄉居民的數位禁用權利、縮短數位城鄉落差 |
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第六計畫是《台灣資安卓越深耕資安卓越中心計畫》編列1億5800萬元。這個計畫主要目的是規劃設立資安卓越中心作為亞太高階資安人才及技術創新的基地以加速我國產業創新 |
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及升級的指導,並完備5加2產業與發展創新產品及服務的過程,融入資安防護及設計。政府及基層數位韌性強化計畫 |
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機關資安防護提升計畫編列5億5千4百萬元為強化數位關鍵基礎建設安全防護推動數位韌性科技建置全國性資通安全業務推動系統下個計畫是普及城鄉生活應用計畫編列2億元透過公司協力我國智慧應用 |
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服務解決方案於國內場域淬鏈之後擴散並輸出海外加速完善智慧城鄉產業生態鏈協助業者優化我國行動智慧應用方案以促進行動智慧應用生態及帶動整體數位經濟的市場發展再下一個計畫是引領中小企業數位轉型戰略攻頂計畫編列的5億4千萬元 |
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系就同管理各行各業數位轉型政策的資源培育數位青年打造數位人才庫並針對跨域議題進行推動鼓勵各行各業提升數位營運能力辦理數位創新主題等 |
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下個計畫是AI應用與人才催電計畫編列了1億6千萬元提升AI新創團隊的技術能力及優化商業模式發展商品化AI解決方案、鏈接產業工協會推動產業推行AI應用實地驗證與建立示範案例 |
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最後說明的是數位特殊技術人才發展編列4,0286,000元是鏈接國內產學資源以資訊服務為數位轉型的顧問養成短期研習及交流舉辦數位科技與相關發展會加強培育數位轉型顧問國際化 |
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數位產業人才以及產育新興科技應用人才協助加速國內產業數位轉型以上就本部辦理中央政府前瞻計畫第5期特別預算報告敬請各位委員會與支持及指教並祝各位委員健康如意謝謝謝謝黃部長接著我們請農業部陳部長 |
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主席、各位委員、各位女士、各位先生今天奉邀到大院參加中央預算前瞻基礎建設第4期的報告及第5期的預算審查那以下警舊本部執行相關的業務請請做以下報告 |
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那有關於本部執行前瞻計畫裡面大概整個第4期的經費是編列65.99億那辦理的項目包括軌道建設、水環境、綠能、數位、城鄉等五類別的八項計畫那第一個部分是軌道計畫最主要是執行阿里山林越鐵路的設施設備的一個改善那辦理的 |
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內容最主要的包括整個路線的結構、邊坡安全的監測、車輛的構置及車站設施的一個整建的情形。整個成效阿里山已經在今年7月6號全線通車,透過本計畫可以提升整個林鐵的一個沿線的安全,包括乘客的體驗與軟硬體的品質的服務的升等。 |
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第二個部分有關於水環境的部分最主要的執行部的計畫是縣市管河川及排水整體的一個改善 |
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整個經費是約25億,殖水率達到百分之百。到目前為止,第4期的成效最主要是能夠降低積水區內的崩塌地及中高土石流的檢視區的災害,並增加整個溪岸穩定保持溪流的斷面溝通。整個的情形在 |
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全國的一個水環境計畫裡面那最主要是營造整個清水的一個空間那同時處理蓄分尿、多元利用及致雲共同化處理中心的一個建制那目前正依照民間的出產法及公共建設辦理前期的一個規劃 |
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有關於綠能的建設的部分,包括研發我們農業部門的碳位的技術及誘因,主要的經費是7.68億元,殖均力是91.69億元,整個的工作內容大概分為幾個部分,第一個部分是完成全台土壤表層的 |
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同時並篩選出有關於高碳會的一個靈系的品種跟適合綠葉地的一個適中的一個作物的一個品種那同時並釐清海洋碳會形成的整合的一個機制那在今年我們已經提送了五種就是有關於方法學的部分包括森林經營、竹林經營等的方法學已經在今年的10月28號通過 |
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那後續三項的部分我想在明年度一定可以完成那第四個部分數位計畫的部分是有關於民生公共物聯網的一個應用 |
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那最主要是在新竹竹東的一個郡路裡面做示範區應用新興科技去導入整個的一個郡路的一個控管然後建置整個水溫的一個監測那第二個部分是有關於公部門的服務網絡運算及基礎建設的一個設置計畫那這個計畫經費是0.59億那整個資金率是83.95 |
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主要的一個成果是建置高效能的農業空間的影像的一個倉儲雲端的服務然後同時改善我們整個的一個農情的一個調查透過的一個雲端的建置可以提供我們中央級地方在農業決策上的一個依據第三個部分是有關於農業物聯網的一個計畫那最主要是 |
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延續第三期的一個成果已經累積了80個農業物聯網的場域那同時也增加智慧導入到整個的養豬場及屠宰場的一個監管的部分同時我們也降低了提高了相關的新增率的一個的減減那在推動人物物聯網的技術擴散部分那目前針對臺灣智慧州的智慧場域裡面我們也透過了智慧場域促進相關的一個投資 |
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第4個最主要的物聯網的預期的作用相關於延續第三期的部分那接下來報告第5期的相關的編列總共編列了42.25億元那最主要是同樣延續第4期加強水庫及水區的保育還有縣市管核酸及排水區域的一個改善那同時針對全國水環境的改善計畫民生公共物聯網的部分那整個水環境的部分大概編列6億元 |
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那相關的縣市管河川編列的31.82億元那主要的是針對國有林地的一個治理還有波地的水土資源的保育以及水產養殖的一個排水治理還有農田排水、埤塘進入的一個改善那針對數位建設的部分最主要是針對民生公共物聯網的一個建設那同時 |
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我們針對強化公部門網路服務及運算的一個基礎建制那最主要第5期的預計的一個成果是以前期裡面所做的多元的土地的一個即時的一個限地調查及透過航遙測影像配合AI的建制能夠提升我們整個農業部及所屬機關及縣市政府對農地利用及農作物生產管理情形做有效的利用 |
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那有關於公共危險建築的部分最主要是針對高雄市動保處本身的一個環境辦公室的一個內政的一個評估那以向有關於第5期的預算那最主要是配合整個中央跟地方的相關的重大建設那進行委員支持謝謝謝謝陳部長接著我們請教育部鄭部長、鄭英耀部長 |
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主席、各位委員、女士先生、大家早安今天應邀就中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫有關本部主管部分第4期特別預算執行情形及成效及第5期特別預算案編列情形進請各位委員會執導以支持以下請就簡要報告一、前瞻基礎設計 |
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基礎建設計畫第4期特別預算執行情形及成效12年度至13年度本部主管共辦理10項計畫包括在數位建設方面辦理高級中等學校智慧網路環境及學術網路提升校園5G示範教室與學習載具強化公部門網路服務與運算雲端基礎建設實施計畫 |
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台灣學術網路服務優化等五項計畫預算約22億元在城鄉建設方面辦理充實全民運動環境、校園社區化改造、公有危險建築補強重建等四項計畫預算約30億元人才培育促進就業建設方面辦理2030雙移 |
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政策加速提升學生英語能力計畫預算約70億元合計共編列預算123億元一二年至一三年第三季指整體計畫 |
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經會累計執行98億元,佔累計分配數106億元的92.69%,將持續加強執行,達成各項政策及計畫的一個效益。第二,在前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算編列情形本部共編列41億元分3個項目來報告。一、 |
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在數位建設方面,第5期特別預算編列8.2億元持續辦理強化公部門網路服務與運算雲端基礎建設、台灣學術網路服務優化、高級中等學校 |
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智慧網路環境及學術網路提升、強化智慧學習及教學以及校園5G示範教室與學習載具等4項計畫強化台灣學術網路架構及服務韌性提供更穩定及安全的網路服務以發展數位化教學及學習環境並強化全國高級中等學校教師資訊教學能力以利 |
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學校教師生以數位學習及跨領域教學資源創新應用、傳播、合作與分享並持續透過5G推動遠宇宙教育應用的發展遠距虛擬直播共學資源偏鄉學校學生之沉浸式體驗學習以消敏城鄉數位落差二、在城鄉建設方面 |
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編列4.1億元持續輔導公共圖書館執行耐震能力改善工作及補助公共圖書館耐震能力補強工程等,協助地方政府加速提升公共圖書館建築耐震能力 |
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一、四年度預計補助45間公共圖書館辦理內政補強工作增進建築物耐久性與安全性維護民眾公共安全三、在人才培育方面編列28.7億元本部持續與國家 |
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發展委員會共同推動雙贏政策,為培育臺灣人才、接軌國際強化人才的雙贏能力及提升競爭力以高教階段將補助四所全校型標竿計畫、三所全校型重點培育計畫、九所領域型標竿計畫、十五所領域型 |
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重點計畫及30所普及提升計畫令國教階段增進雙語教學實施品質及提升英語教師教學能量預計114年培育1500位雙語教師協助推動高級中等學校以下學校應用英語教學 |
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英語進行學習、擴增高級中等學校雙語實驗班、建立國內外高級中等學校合作基礎等計畫在終身學習方面則持續自播線上英語學習節目預計114年累計自播超過1萬集讓民眾在生活中可以隨時隨地學習英語以上報告,敬請各位委員持續指教與支持感謝也祝福大家健康平安謝謝 |
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國客會務主委 |
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主席、各位委員、大家早安城門大院財政委員會安排列席報告深感榮幸接下來緊就我們前瞻特別預算第4期執行情形及成效以及第5期編列狀況跟各位報告國科會第4期的前瞻特別預算 |
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在各計畫的進度符合原來的規劃,截至113年9月底,經費執行率達到99.6% |
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5187.878 |
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5216.797 |
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本會肩負規劃全國科技發展的任務持續推動數位建設及人才培育促進就業建設計畫希望為台灣科技發展奠定根基我們在第4期編列的這個計畫總共有11項包含民生公共、物聯網、數據應用及產業開展強化公部門網路服務與運算基礎設施 |
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5218.979 |
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5230.975 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
海覽及5G雲端聯網中心資安卓越深耕學術型資安研究突破半導體物理極限與鏈結AI世代 |
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5232.148 |
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5259.722 |
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以及安生四代前瞻半導體及量子技術研發計畫顯示科技研發與人才培育其中在民生公共物聯網主要是國科會主辦在強化工部門網路服務與運算基礎設施是跟數化部一起合作以上這些數位建設的計畫 |
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5261.864 |
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其實我們有大部分是在協助我們的學術界提出這個學術研究的這個申請那另外還有人才培育的部分重點產業高階人才培訓青年科技創新創業基地建設計畫年輕學者養成計畫這邊也是屬於高階人才在培育 |
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5285.842 |
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5300.97 |
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包含搭配在產學合作的部分也協助產業界在承接我們科技研發成果做高科技產業發展的後盾那在綠能的部分我們有一個科學層公共建設計畫這個屬於我們在沙崙地區國務院負責做這個建設的計畫 |
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那以上我剛剛報告就是各個計畫我們現在總結在9月底執行率達到99.6%總共編列的預算是54億那再跟大院來報告就是我們在第5期前瞻計畫承襲第4期最後幾個計畫最後階段的這個 |
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5332.984 |
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5351.421 |
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這個建設總共編列了16.81億在114年其中只有一項是新增這個新增計畫是基於我們在教文委員會委員的強烈的建議必須要增加台灣的AI運算的順利所以我們開始在114年啟動 |
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5353.303 |
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5365.994 |
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一個綠能為基礎的新的AI資料中心的建設編了1.8億的這個預算啟動相關的這個規劃那後續我們會編入我們的正常的科技預算在後續幾年會執行所以到第5期的計畫114年我們總共編列了1.86億 |
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5382.834 |
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5410.509 |
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國科會是驅動產業發展的核心動能而前瞻基礎建設計畫為強化國家韌性構建產業前瞻技術開發及跨域高階人才培育的重要基石對於我國長遠發展實質關鍵預算有其必要懇請大院肯定支持同意本案之預算案謝謝 |
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5412.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
5416.95 |
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好 謝謝吳主委最後一位 文化部李部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
5435.971 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
5454.287 |
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主席、各位委員、各位女士先生今天我就中央政府前瞻預算第4期特別預算執行情況跟成效做專題報告深感榮幸文化部本期特別預算主管計畫截至113年9月分配到的數字是41.29億 |
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執行了40.08億計畫經費執行率97.07以下簡單的就辦理情況執行情況跟大家報告第一個我們執行的是數位建設計畫部分包括一、國家文化記憶庫及數位博物館應用計畫第二、5G文化科技人才培育及跨域應用計畫第三、5G內容 |
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5485.28 |
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5502.055 |
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內容力與技術力跨域創新生態計畫第4、營運場域之5G創新應用領域計畫第5、文化科技5G創新垂直應用產業建構及營運計畫第6、強化公部門網路服務與運算雲端基礎設施計畫 |
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5509.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
5514.894 |
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第二大項是城鄉建設計畫部分第一個是文化生活圈建設計畫 |
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5516.977 |
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5542.17 |
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其中包括文化保存、重建臺灣藝術史、地方管升級計畫、地方特色人口培育計畫第二項是加速推動地方創生計畫這是我簡單報告我們第4期的執行情況前瞻第5期延續第4期的一些執行的事情一共編列了13.84億包括數位建設 |
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5545.772 |
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二點八三億元及城鄉建設十一點零一億元這個延續了前面的沒有做完的部分一、數位建設計畫部分包括強化工部門網路服務與運算雲端基礎設施計畫編列了零點零七億元第二個 |
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5568.354 |
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5596.176 |
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引應產業之5G創新應用領航計畫編列了1.6億元。第三,5G內容力與技術力跨域創新生態系列計畫編列了0.4億元。第四,國家文化基金庫及數位博物館應用計畫編列了0.76億元。這些都是延續第4期計畫沒有做完的部分。 |
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5623.844 |
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第二大項是城鄉建設計畫部分這個部分分成幾個項目第一個大項是文化生活圈建設計畫9億元這一項是辦理地方上文化保存、地方管轍升級、地方文化特色及英文人口培育建立文化生活圈、促進公民參與、落實文化平權主要推動的情況一、再造歷史現場 |
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5625.816 |
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5649.97 |
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前面4期一共合併96案也一一完成第二、地方管轄升級計畫第三、地方文化特色及藝文人口培育計畫培養藝文欣賞人口及藝術專業人才提升縣市文化中心演藝場所專業營運能力第二大項就是公共服務據點整備計畫2.01億 |
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5655.009 |
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5681.064 |
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這個預算是補助地方政府辦理博物館、美術館及展覽館等藝文場所耐政評估及補強工程以改善公有建設耐政能力以上是我們文化部第5期前瞻預算的編列及計畫推動情況我們的預算幾乎全部用在地方希望大院支持謝謝 |
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5709.039 |
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好 謝謝李部長好 我們現在開始詢答先做一下宣告本會委員每位委員聯席委員會委員發言時間4分鐘必要時延長1分鐘4加1列席委員發言4分鐘10點半截止登記現在依照登記順序請登記第一位的林德福委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
主席主席主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
5738.24 |
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5746.183 |
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市長因為交通部觀光署2021至2025年自資65億8500萬辦理觀光前瞻建設計畫但是審計部在決算報告的時候卻指出觀光署先期規劃作業未盡確實也未落實審查的作業導致整個補助計畫 |
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5764.072 |
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5773.759 |
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審查通過後因工程用地無法取得或規劃設計沒有嚴謹、不力達成原定的效益。竹記長,對於審計部針對觀光前瞻計畫決算報告的說法,竹記長有沒有掌握整個預算執行的狀況?有沒有? |
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委員好因為我們在整個執行率來講其實是都超過95%那麼原來的計畫也跟審計部相關單位做一個說明跟報告因為有些確實在用地上在這個地方政府相關的權責裡面 |
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委員也很清楚就是說有些景區的景點的改善有些是老問題所以它涉及到一些用地、協調、相關單位那你們開始的時候應該要先去溝通協調結果你們現在那你們總是沒有辦法執行那也不必究責那後續你們要如何去善後呢這些都有評估過所以這些我們還是持續克服但預算執行的部分還是都能夠達成 |
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委員會主席 |
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委員指教的是哪一個計畫就是交通部觀光署2021到2025這個觀光全餐計畫裡面但是審計部報告只出來啊審計部報告裡面他有些對有些他有些譬如說日月潭的部分有些有困難也跟說明了你事後提個書面計畫給本席好不好是那個主席長好謝謝謝謝委員 |
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5887.734 |
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5906.852 |
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來,媒體報導今年地震跟颱風重創花蓮的觀光那交通部振興花蓮自由行補助方案也推動到這個3.0版本那總計有8.15億元就是8億多的預算在年底以前要用完 |
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5920.434 |
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但目前只有執行差不多六成而已我請問主席長針對花蓮自由行補助方案的預算執行你認為問題出在哪裡 |
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5921.85 |
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5948.609 |
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因為這個部分主要是動資第二預備金那這個部分我們也是一直督促說希望在動資二預備金的部分能夠在年底的能夠盡量把它執行但是目前花蓮最大的問題就是年外的交通沒有辦法引導整個旅客的前往那為了讓預算能夠發揮實質的效益請問交通問題短期內可以解決嗎因為你要去有困難啊 |
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5950.405 |
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交通問題這個部分還是要看交通部它整個一個規劃的一個情形來辦啦那這個部分我們是不是交通部能夠代表來做說明不能說只有一雙框在那裡那你們目前執行只有六成而已現在已經11月下旬了捏 |
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5970.526 |
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因為花蓮年外交通如果還是最大的問題按照花蓮今年已經有21家旅館業停業那有10家暫時退場或轉租有將近四分之一的業者的變動那明年補助又停止的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
5995.845 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
6020.222 |
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那請問面對明年花蓮觀光可能出現倒閉潮甚至於是四月潮那你認為有哪些辦法可以來避免出現這些骨牌的效應再跟委員報告一下因為這個涉及到預算執行的一個內容和它的細節是不是還是請交通部的業務單位來做報告比較詳細這個部分因為我認為說像這些部分存在的問題你政府 |
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委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
6046.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
6076.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
出國的人去觀光旅遊比在國內的多一倍這笑死人了你說觀光我一直認為說其實觀光局、觀光署你們過去這段時間你們就是沒有把原來這些觀光的點把它做好你看包括嘉義阿里山那裡你們沒有查清楚結果你看這一次在那裡旅遊的人摔下去一個人死掉 |
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6077.55 |
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那 很多都沒有去改善 也沒有去重視 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
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這個部分就是因為交通部他有答覆說這個部分是屬於鄉公所的一些設施啦那這個部分他們會這樣對啦我是認為這都要去重視啦因為振興花蓮有部分實質上的難度但如果是提升我國這項這個高教總體競爭力請問主計長你認為現階段有沒有推動高教前瞻計畫的必要性 |
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6110.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
6113.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
因為上個禮拜台大校長陳文章在立法院教文委員會呼籲政府要 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
6128.309 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
6156.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
提升大學的經費並推動高教前瞻基礎計畫也有學者指出大學是培養人才的基地需要一些更多資金去預助經費始終不足只能越來越向下沉淪本席也認為說從外國調查機構對亞洲大學排名的變化政府應該要正視學者對高教資源缺乏的問題的嚴重性那主席長 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
6156.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
6162.972 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
政府到底有沒有提升分配高教經費、增加人才以及培育的決心?有沒有? |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
6163.669 |
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6191.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
那是一定有的但是現在今年因為今年前瞻只剩下703億那這個部分那是當初是由國化會他整個去做一個整個計畫的一個分配因為有各項的一個計畫都提出需求那事實上還有很多有包括軌道的部分有將近4000多億一直還沒有編列預算沒有編到裡面所以這個部分也是我們將來要努力來來做一個編列的一個方向我是希望說要重視這些問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
主席,麻煩請陳主席長還有財政部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
6223.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
陳署長吳庫署跟負稅署還有宋署長、署長這個703億第5期的這個預算是因為前面兩次的特別條例總共匡列8400億然後第一期、第二期、第三期、第四期用了7000多億就是差這703億所以你這第5期就是這703億是不是這樣說是是吼那 |
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6252.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
6270.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
今年的稅收的預算的實收數遠遠大於這個預算數現在估計起來前幾天我在這個地方請教專部長他說應該至少會多3000多億那如果這樣子的話這個703億有需要舉借嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
6276.05 |
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6291.956 |
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因為703億它是114年度啦那現在我們113年度的一個剩餘的這個部分那我們就會針對第一個要舉借113年需要借債的一個部分113年已經不需要借債對就不需要借113年還增加還了 |
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對,所以113你要增加還,那還的部分就到累積剩餘裡面去,累積剩餘然後再做一下。對啊,所以我說可不可以移用這個今年度的稅計剩餘,因為今年看出來就是明顯會有大量的稅計剩餘,把它拿來這個703這樣就不需要舉債啊。 |
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事實上今年在編114年度的時候它也有移用以前年度的稅基剩餘也有移用500億然後因為今年整個稅基剩餘下來剩下150幾億那如果再有累積剩餘再移下去就會可以做再一年度的編略﹖對啦所以我才剛剛復稅署長才有講今年至少會多3000多億是是是那遠大於這個遠大於預算說3000多億當然是 |
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除了增加還款之外就是不用舉借之後還會有稅計剩餘啊這樣剩下的就已經不多了會不多嗎對對對你告訴我舉債因為這一次舉債的部分跟委員報告那11113的部分就是剩下152億那今年度113的稅計剩餘是112的嘛112對對那今年的稅計剩餘要等明年的7月審計部審定之後才能拿來移用所以這個部分是這樣子的跟委員報告 |
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那不能先用短期債款來支應嗎?因為你既然7月審計不審定之後就會有大量的稅劑剩餘出現啊。所以跟委員報告,像我們今年提台電最佳預算的時候,就是因為5月送,那7月的時候才要審定,所以剛開始也是先用借款,然後這個部分等到 |
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審定以後再把它轉作為那個證語剛剛各部會通通都講說這主要都是坐在地方嘛前面的總共加第5期的8400億通通幾乎都是坐在地方啦那現在財劃法如果照國民黨委員會的版本他又要給你挖6000多億那你這個財源的分配的合理性 |
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到底跟這個前瞻基礎建設也是要補助給地方然後你現在又統籌分辨書館又挖那麼多地方去這樣兩個東西是不是地方已經幾乎把你的錢抽乾了結果你還要編那麼多預算去補助地方 |
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這樣合理嗎? |
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主席 |
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是我也再跟委員說明一下因為我們總共這一次的總預算是3兆1嘛那3兆1扣掉那個依法律義務1兆8我們只剩下1兆如果減掉612億以後我們只剩下6千整個所有其他減掉依法律義務之外的錢通通要減半才有辦法去致應這個那另外一方面就是要取債啊是 |
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不然就是國家舉債啊。沒有啊,可以到40.6啊,現在才28啊。當年度那個短期的有限制總預算的百分之十五。那你就不要借短期的,借長期的啊。因為如果要這樣子惡搞,他就是要把國家的財政弄破產嘛。 |
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那既然要這樣報告的話,我們上有對策、上有政策、上有對策用這樣子惡劣的方式把財源都挖掉,中央政府沒有錢怎麼補助呢?是,長期負債雖然可以超到40%,但是當年度就是不能超過15%,所以你超過15%就是違法 |
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對啦,那所以你要想出其他的方法來處理不然的話這個東西如果硬這樣子折騰的話那國不成國啊你的整個財政破產你這個前瞻基礎建設8400多億都是在補助地方的占絕大多數結果他這樣還不夠 |
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統籌分配稅款我查過新北市政府的財政之前連續4年他財政都是剩餘耶都是plus耶不是minus耶結果現在還要我今天那天問議員他也答不出來我說突然之間照這個現在通過的這個如果是照財政委員會出去的這一個新北市政府突然之間拿到600多億要700億準備怎麼花沒有人知道突然之間天上掉下來將近700億錢要怎麼花 |
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你沒有計畫沒有事務的分配沒有權責的分配光給他將近700億我這個災難我難以想像所以要堅持加油是 這個部分是中央的確有困難以上說明好 謝謝謝謝吳秉瑞委員 |
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這個錢既然都是用在地方就是以後才會通過地方決定怎麼用怎麼用就不用透過中央來決定是哪個縣市發的比較多哪個縣市發的比較少接著請李昆城委員我尊重你啊你要不要再來拔麥克風李昆城委員 |
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請哪一位部長來? |
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我請這個主計長還有請這個交通部的次長陳主計長、林次長這個延續吳秉瑞委員的話題就是說在這個我們這次在討論是這個前瞻計算第5期嘛這第5期是最後一期了嗎?是最後一期了那最後一期我們編了這個700多億嘛 |
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好,那接下來之後因為前瞻預算很多都是做地方的我先講軌道好了啦很多這個地方的軌道建設包含新北市的很多的輕軌捷運都是由中央來做這個補助的嘛那我請問一下那如果說這個前瞻預算這個第5期是最後一期然後呢接下來那如果這個國民黨版的這個財劃法通過挖了6612億之後那到了115年之後 |
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新北市的所有的軌道、輕軌、所有的這些建設前要由誰來出?因為當初在核電的計畫的時候有分配就是說中央補助多少、地方負擔多少那這個部分將來如果財化法通過之後中央本身自己就沒有能力來做補助這個部分可能都要回歸地方,由地方來做負擔 |
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我舉個例子,這個115年度之後呢,中央有負擔的這個軌道建設有11件,那總金額是2175億,然後中央跟地方各有負擔,中央是1297,然後地方是877,然後115年之後呢,那邊的預算數呢,中央負擔呢還有833億, |
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然後呢這個前瞻預算結束之後呢改由交通部公務預算喔改由交通部公務預算編列的這一個軌道計畫呢115年之後呢有1912億那就要請教一下這一個主席長跟這個次長在未來幾年軌道建設這個大概還有2746億的補助款這個要做 |
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如果被國民黨版本財劃法挖了6610億之後接下來這些本來中央要負擔的軌道的建設 |
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那要怎麼去做處理?那未來都是要由地方自己出嗎?比如說我新北市現在南北環要做、山陰縣要做、萬大樹林縣要做、淡海的輕軌要做本來都是由中央來做補助的那接下來115年之後沒有錢在那裏預算然後如果財務法要通過之後那這些錢中央還有錢補助嗎?那是由地方自己來出嗎? |
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已經核定的計畫第5期編完沒有預算的就回歸到公務預算您提的那第二個問題是您提的也很重要未來交通部要提列到跟行政院申請的這個中央負擔的部分這部分就要由主席總書來配合總書來處理看看是否經費足夠那如果經費不夠的話可能就要做一點處理才能 |
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主席 |
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因為這就要檢討了,因為當初如果核定,但是中央實在是也沒有經費相關的財源。當初的核定是按照目前財務法的這個規模來做核定嘛,那現在財務法已經沒有這麼多統籌分配款可以運用啦,我們只剩下一千多億啦,那怎麼可能還要按照本來中央核定的這個比例再去撥給地方呢?中央的錢哪裡來? |
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因為現在如果說這個是前瞻計畫將來要回歸計畫型一個補助各部會的計畫型補助但是如果說我們優先要刪減大概也是計畫型的一個補助因為這是對各縣市的一個相關的一個補助的一個配套的一個計畫 |
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那所以計畫型補助就沒有辦法了嗎?對,因為我們計畫型補助有2911億裡面這個部分呢那大部分就是說我們要刪減6612億6612億刪減2911億之外還要再刪減3000多億所以這個部分呢等於是說各部會大部分都要刪減以上那有沒有可能這個採訪法通過之後 |
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本來新北市要出的軌道建設的經費本來有中央補助但是後來因為中央沒辦法補助他自己出的錢會不會多於他拿到了這個財務法之後分配給他的分配款其實我們算過了如果是計畫型補助大部分其實比較在 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函 |
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中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案 ：一、邀請相關部會首長就：一、審查行政院函請審議 |
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所以這個部分就是要請交通部再檢討對各縣市補助的一個比率好那最後我花一點時間就是說這個地下停車場的這個問題因為地下停車場現在你們有送計畫給國發會嘛已經有第三次修正了然後這個計畫的期程呢這個從106年9月延長到114年8月經費也從260億增加到320億了那請問一下那這個修正計畫今年會通過嗎 |
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各位報告我們已經提了就是停車場的這個計畫的修正那現在在行政院行政院就是說目前還在審查之中我是希望說這個能夠趕快去通過啦因為包含我自己選區這個有五個停車場五華、新谷、開源、六張大同都嗷嗷逮捕啦因為這個新北市政府他就說他錢不夠要跟中央來要 |
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地方抵稅有這個需求,那我希望說這個停車場的計畫能夠讓它通過,我們會盡力爭取。好,謝謝。謝謝李坤城委員。主席長這兩年不是都超徵喔,三四千億嗎?今年不是也超徵四千億嗎?這要列入考慮喔,錢要用喔。那個陳情非委員, |
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主席主席長我想了解一下依照目前國民黨跟民眾黨的版本財劃法的版本台南因為你來自台南你對於台南我相信在整個財務的狀況你非常的了解在整個國民黨民眾黨的版本 |
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在台南是敬佩莫作所調整的幅度是敬佩莫作所調整的額度也是敬佩莫作如果是這樣我是來自台南的民意代表我不可能接受而且我也是台南市的一份子我更要極力反對因為在這麼不公平的一個分配制度之下 |
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我相信臺南在六度當中我們很多的建設正在發展包括我們的鐵路地下化包括我們的輕軌捷運藍線、綠線等等我們正在往前邁進包括我們所有的相關所有周邊的道路開發生活圈道路 |
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這都需要經費我們才能往上提升到一個完完全全在陸網也好在我們水利資源充足的一個前提之下讓我們台南有一個新亮點台南是400年 |
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我們要如何在400年這樣的一個歷史古都當中可以幻化出一個新的科技發展我們有護國神山台南台積電南科在最近周邊的土地的成長已經超出了我們想像的範圍所以主計長 |
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他這樣的一個幅度對於台南公不公平?你認為你來自台南,你認為台南公不公平? |
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就我們的一個分析就是台南在直轄市裡面算比較低的那如果說因為現在是垂直分配和水平分配因為整個一個都還沒有定案只是在試算而已試算的一個階段那如果目前試算的階段的部分呢 |
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〈中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案), |
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然後只要地方有配合款計畫到位配合款到位我們沒有吝嗇一分錢給各地方啊不論你是國民黨執政還是民進黨執政都是一樣這個前瞻計畫就是當時候有這樣的一個方向跟利益基礎所以才有特別條例才有我們的整個預算的編列所以現在已經到了第5期了 |
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主席 |
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主席長,我們錢給了誰?我們不是給地方嗎?現在不是國民黨執政比較多嗎?民進黨執政才五個縣市耶!包括直轄市跟非直轄市也就五個耶!其他都是國民黨耶!我們有少給人家嗎?沒有啊!那為什麼要這樣戴帽子呢? |
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所以今天在審這個前瞻基礎建設計畫的時候我們為台南所爭取的我們要拿計畫來欸 |
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不是用口說的就可以我們是要拿計畫每一個縣市都一樣所以我們是從整個公路總局還有鐵道局我們的軌道建設捷運的部分鐵路地下化我們也是要經過可行性評估要經過所有相關的資料顯示 |
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不是隨便講講都可以還有我們水利署的包括我們在征文南化所有聯通管的計畫還有我們的山上淨水廠供水系統昨天我們要求所有的首相要回到島主台南我們就是要水給他我們就是電愛給他水要給他很重要嘛水如果沒給他的事 |
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請問他要怎麼去經營?所以我們利用了在整個特別預算將曾文南化聯通館的工程計畫臺南山上淨水廠供水系統改善計畫還有縣市館、河川及區域排水整體改善計畫這都在特別務省裡面我們有掃給了任何一個縣市嗎?來,署長 |
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中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期財政、內政、經濟、教育及文化、交通、社會福利及生態、社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及 |
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7500.04 |
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所以我們是整體規劃,對不對?整體規劃,然後整體給預算這樣才能把整個我們的治水面積可以擴大嘛,擴到最大嘛,對不對?這是一個串聯性的,不是看哪一個縣市,它是一個整個串聯的 |
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所以 這個很重要 好 我再問一下農業部部長 請問我們農水署跟水保署的預算 這不重要 這牽扯到我們整個農水署我們的農水牌 還有我們的水土波期 這都有關到人民的生命安全我們有掃給嗎 各縣市有掃給嗎 |
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是嘛!依照各縣市的需求我覺得今天不能戴帽子你要去處理財劃法都沒有問題不能戴帽子說中央都沒給地方預算這是不公平的 |
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所以我們也認為臺南因為這一筆前瞻預算我們地方說真的幫忙很多從農水署到水保署幫忙很多我們也爭取很多經費去幫忙到地方的發展所以我們認為該怎麼說就怎麼說不能有所扭曲還有一個很重要的不好意思主席國科會的這個AI運算資料中心建制計畫 |
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這個部分我們拜託我們這個國科會的部分因為國科會這個部分是由我們 |
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做主導對不對?AI運算資料中心就是我們臺南所設置的AI產業園區嘛對不對?是由我們國科會嘛可是我要問的國科會你有辦法一個人去串聯所有的各部會嗎?因為這個智慧、科技、大南方、產業、生態系這個不是只有國科會是要各個部門欸你有辦法嗎?你有辦法去串聯嗎?我們一定要各部會一起合作啦 |
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7660.8 |
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好,誰當Leader?是國科會去當Leader嗎?國科會來規劃未來這個園區國會來協助管理,是。協助管理,你有辦法去串聯其他的部會嗎?你們都是平衡的耶,你們都是平行的耶,有辦法嗎?這很重要耶。這是台南重大的一個AI產業園區。 |
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是,我現在是也兼政委,所以以行政院政委的身份來協助。所以你是以行政院政委來溝通所有的平行單位,是不是?是。這很重要喔。是。所以,我就是要問出這一點。 |
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因為你光由國科會這個角色你沒有辦法去串聯其他的部會但是你政委是可以的所以拜託今天會由您擔任政委來擔任這樣的角色一定是有所賦予你的責任我們期待除了預算這個在我們前瞻第5期是重點重點之後再怎麼規劃希望要給我們隨時一個計畫報告 |
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7711.941 |
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財政部提出版本有意見財劃法財政部提出版本有意見財劃法 |
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7737.649 |
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7759.074 |
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市長 委員好先跟你確認一下禮拜六會來到高雄嗎對不對報告委員一定會針對高鐵難營那我先問一下這個預定什麼時候交通部會做出最後的抵定的方案出來我想現在我們兩個方案都還在做評估那聽取地方人民的意見我們在年底應該可以做出決定年底就是12月31日 |
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三十一之前除了我這個禮拜六邀請之外交通部還有安排後續的說明會嗎?會有安排大概會有幾場? |
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7793.602 |
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現在規劃可能大概有兩場至三場左右兩場到三場我們希望妥善的溝通好不好讓這件事情能夠有最好的一個溝通跟解決是好 謝謝那接下來我開始請教那個國企先從國企好了啦齊坦白講這應該十幾年前國企正常來說在今年第7貨櫃中心就應該啟用的時候應該完成當時其實是一起的 |
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7795.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
二、審查行政院函請審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
7817.382 |
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7837.9 |
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人民安全也都會產生影響我的選區那邊其實有時候常常就發生這種兩輛貨櫃車夾擊小轎車剩下三分之一當場死亡這樣的其實不應該在進步的國家進步的城市發生啦所以次長能不能提前在二零明年可不可以動工 |
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市長,能不能努力在明年動工? |
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朝這個方向好不好?2025年來動工已經慢了十幾年了這一條路本來應該在今年是要通車的跟第7貨櫃中心一起啟用的結果已經慢了 |
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請審查行政院函請審查行政院函 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
7907.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
二、審查行政院函請審議 |
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7929.714 |
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7957.573 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
國期的話可以大幅減少它跟人相交錯機車包括一般的汽車交錯機會都大幅的減少好不好是好再來我請教一下我昨天我有跟院長跟部長有問高雄機場高雄機場2030年我希望一樣能夠提前完工我覺得很奇怪每次高雄的建設都會特別的慢現在的機場已經881要做了但是卻到要到2032年現在才2024你要8年後才能完成 |
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一個航廈的第1期還不是全部只是做一半的工程要花8年的時間次長不會太久嗎我想我這要說明一下因為現在那個機場新緬新現在用所以就有點是所謂的改建工程所以它可以做的時間確實是比較困難一點比較少一點我想這部分我們也在努力我知道你們常講的是穿著衣服改衣服但是我講的因為國內航廈其實現在 |
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主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
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此外,在航班、在航點、在客機、包括新的客機也要分配一些在高雄,包括在票價都要努力去取得平衡,不然南部真的無法接受,這個落差太大。最後我再問一個,這個捷運的部分、高捷的部分,現在有追加一些預算嗎?那這個追加預算的部分確定了嗎? |
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這個預算包括像黃線這些大概都有送上來我們做審議那大概有一些原則上我們都通過那大概就是一些意見請他們做修正所以原則上會照這個金額來通過照這樣的金額來通過我們希望全力來支持因為黃線可能要追加將近900億包括紅線也要追加300億左右我們希望計數來通過 |
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因為沒有時間了另外我希望下次再跟部長次長討論待會先注意高雄的交通的問題我認為還是南北向跟東西向還是要改善南北的88是全台灣最繁忙的東西向道路第二條在座以外也要再思考到鳳山到屏東的另外一條的不要讓那個有些是可以穿越性的車流不要在下面走好不好 |
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另外南北向幾乎遇到了大塞國一幾乎跟台南之間幾乎常常在大塞如果車禍就很嚴重應該儘速的思考像舞陽高架那方式舒緩掉了高雄跟台南之間的交通問題好不好這個下次再來跟次長好好來談先做準備好嗎好謝謝謝謝主席謝謝財政委員謝謝財政委員接著我們請林益勤委員 |
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謝主席有請國土署吳署長還有國發會詹副主委 |
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首先先來請國土署共同來維護我們永康跟新市居民的生命財產安全新市衛生排水抽水站興建工程補助經費評估大約2.5億需要中央來協助,實際上我們現在現有的基礎本來就是一個應急的使用,我想這吳署長很清楚 |
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8178.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審議 |
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8204.165 |
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8206.968 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院 |
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〈中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案), |
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8245.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查 |
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有,感謝委員,因為的確在上次楷米颱風、台南許多地方都發現抽水基礎老舊或是量能不足的問題所以我們當時有請市府重新再清查、檢討所有的這個抽水基礎的問題那你提到這個是在新市跟永康,尤其永康這一個是之前就已經曾經有傳出一些問題 |
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8283.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
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8299.551 |
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8313.818 |
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好 謝謝 那好 那那個 首長請回再來我想要請教的是湯南市鐵路立體化的延伸至永康地區這個計畫那當然我們交通部要來加速辦理可是這一案經過國發會會整個單位的這個意見 |
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10月24號已經呈報行政院,因為它事涉整個消除鐵路沿線發展的阻隔,拉均衡這個都市的發展。所以要特別請國會說明一下,到底各單位的意見如何?那目前到底還有哪些方面需要加強?副主委。是,謝謝委員的質詢。有懷疑這個計畫,我是不是請我們負責審議的國土處的副處長跟委員做一點說明。 |
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文化部理事長 |
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國定古蹟台南火車站修復問題 |
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8407.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
二、審查行政院函請審議:「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案 »: |
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國家文化記憶庫 |
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這是前瞻第5期特別預算也有編列這個經費,理論上國家文化記憶庫花費了公帑,它長年來所建設的資料應該是屬於全民資產,那本來就應該開放至最大程度讓大眾自由運用,可是這個很明顯是說,它因為欠缺系統性的規劃,所以它開放的程度不足,那我覺得 |
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甚至是他收羅的資料品質良又不起的內容引起爭議什麼意思我舉例來講國家文化記憶庫中就有收羅內容極盡對女性羞辱的能勢的選舉文宣那不過當然這不是重點真正讓人家擔憂的是說這種無關公益涉及私人權利的資料也在這裡面 |
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8499.709 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
二、審查行政院函請審議 |
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的工程還是必須得進行．不然我們要避免它對不特定的個人持續會造成傷害所以想要請部長掌握這個狀況也要請您說明一下就未來文化部怎麼樣去協助臺灣歷史博物館進食這個國家文化記憶庫的大整頓部長我想這個花了這麼長時間大概整理了300萬筆資料是來自博物館機關專 |
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中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案 ：一、邀請相關部會首長就:「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案 ：一、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函 |
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提報一百一十五年科技發展計畫裡面這個科技創新的部分繼續整理這些資料讓它能夠很系統克服給所有的民眾可以用好希望部長花一點心思在這個做一些整頓OK好謝謝部長謝謝主席謝謝謝謝李議員接著請郭國文委員 |
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有請國發會、經濟部、文化部、內政部、交通部、五次長 |
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好 我先就教育經濟部的部分我想最近有3次的大颱風來侵襲那目前的治水的部分就以前瞻計畫總共大概前面的4期加總累積起來再加上第5期大概600億但是目前的執行率大概只有8成 |
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問題是,淹水還是持續地發生,所以以至於本席選區當中包括流畜排水、海埔排水、總爺宗室、中本市白水、新崎排水這個部分我想就較於社長的部分,在這一次有沒有機會納入前瞻預算總金額是多少?請恢復沒有問題,總金額大概多少? |
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我請那個署長來 署長請 把握時間 署長好 謝謝 這次我們在8月30就核定了包括這幾個區域大概收將近7.5億元的7.5億元 對 不夠喔當然 因為治水是一里一里從下游一直往上游你第一次給7.5億 我這樣加總起來大概12、13億喔 你要算清楚喔 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函 |
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國發會我要跟你講前瞻基礎捷運算是前瞻但是台南是六都當中唯一沒有捷運的五都現在已經運行的捷運總共有13條目前興建當中的捷運總共有16條總經費是8434億台南連一條都沒有一到五期的推動都市捷運台南只分到2億2540萬占所有的總經費當中只有0.39% |
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只有0.3 這什麼規劃會而已即便你現在所推動的第5期2916億這裡頭也不包括台南捷運這個捷運的部分目前還沒有完全核定的情況底下預算的財務計畫當中已經有出來了藍線、延伸線還有深綠線深綠線才沒有確定這種情況底下國會所主導的台南捷運納入這個造園計畫的可能性大不大國會請說 |
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呃是呃謝謝委員水晶我們現在在推動的造型計畫當然呃首批就是地方如果有需要的話都會納入地方有需要可是你要面對一個很大的政治變數啊財法法如果通過的話你中央還有這種錢嗎你中央如果沒有這種預算編列的話那你要靠什麼錢 |
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請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院 |
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委員好 |
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部長你先上來就先聊吧部長我先跳過去一下齁我上次跟你提到的這個曾文熙文化狼帶他基本上是定位成台南的文史的副都心的概念台南現在所有想到台南就想到舊府城區那個觀光壓力太大了一來我們要解壓我羅列了這十幾項齁你看一下齁總共有四個無形的文化資產齁這個王傳文化的四個文化資產 |
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另外有11個有形的文化資產．不管它有沒有文史的身份．還有兩個活的博物館．也就是舊的牛鬚．還有包括這一個散化啤酒廠．都是在生產還在運轉當中的．這種情況底下．它足以堪稱成為一個文化互督心．我就叫你的部分．五期的前瞻計畫裡邊列了9億的文化生活圈建設． |
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期待這麼久的文化廊區、期待這麼久的文史副都心有沒有機會納入當中啊?有,這是在我們的2.0就是重建歷史的2.0你們有編這個預算有編這個預算,所以這個會納入而且這個區是我自己個人花了很長時間做一個山海郡我在還沒有來之前我個人花了18年的時間在這個 |
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主席 |
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市長,交通的部分我就不講了啦整個南科化的延伸出去的公務體系當中生活圈道路一大堆還有包括生活這個水平的提升還有包括周遭區域的整個生活資源區跟產業資源區你們扮演一個很重要的角色 |
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進行專題報告、審查行政院函請審議 |
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社宅優先公共設施以社福相關及教育為主社宅公共設施與地方政府及周邊居民共同討論 |
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謝謝國管委員 接著我們請代會員委員 |
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9024.2 |
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有請國化會副主委、北京副主委、農業部、文化部、農業部陳副總部長、國化部水利署署長我們先請國化會副主委 |
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國科會、國科會、國科會、國科會、國科會、國科會、國科會、國科會、國科會、國科會、 |
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9068.51 |
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政務主委跑去接電話你要不要先問別的單位這個文化部好來那我想這個前瞻計畫的一個特別預算在這個過程裡頭我們都知道前瞻計畫是為了均衡台灣的發展改善 |
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9108.968 |
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中北、青南的一個情況其實這一路走來非常的不容易我們不管是中央還是地方的公務人員還是我們這些民意代表其實我們都非常希望讓這一個國家這一個進步的一個計畫可以順利的完成那到目前為止就是這七八年已經累積了7697億那這個計畫到明年8月就會結束了 |
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那也是審查最後半年的預算也算是一個回顧那前瞻計畫的一個基礎建設的特別預算其實在這幾年臺南也拿到了大概是250億我們對照一下人口數臺南目前有186萬的人口平均一個人拿到1.3萬的補助這個對 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
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那我想在這裡我特別要跟大家做一個就是說其實台南它整體的一個計畫裡頭前瞻計畫帶動了整個大台南的一個新榮景那這裡頭我們知道就是前瞻的一期到三期補助了台南眾多的一個基礎的建設在下一頁 |
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這裡特別要跟我們水利署署長特別請教就是說我們的水環境建設在曾文南化聯通館的一個工程計畫目前我們已經支出127億了那也完工了那是不是有其他的一個工程會進行呢? |
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自水的工作是持續不斷的而且我們會加緊力道在第5期的部分我們預計就應該是會評比在河裂海岸水31億左右31億左右好,31億喔,謝謝那山岩溪的一個排水中下游的一個治理工程在這個前瞻基那個支應了47.7億,後續呢? |
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這個部分在今年的幾次颱風確實發揮很大的效果至於委員你所說到的右邊這張照片所需要的輕餘的部分行政院有特別編列了10億元左右來依照這個試算的標準來補助給縣市政府我們未來這個會跟台南市政府持續來協助 |
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好,那也順便就是再請教一下經濟部,那就是說經濟部有沒有代表在現場?好,經濟部沒有代表在現場的時候,就是沿水的這個雙芯拱葉跟葉金港的改善工程,我們都希望就是說有後續,那個經濟部代表,我們都希望有後續的一個執行面。後續我們在第5期有11億元在做水環境的部分,11億嘛,對不對? |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審議 |
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主席 |
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9325.844 |
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您剛才問到這個問題就是我來之後這個是前章已經補助了那在未來有沒有國際級的一個計畫規劃那你打算這個國際級你打算編列多少的預算總預算國際級的喔國際級對 |
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案內談查已經是我來之後全力要做的一個基地然後我們所有正在拍的片子我都安排他們去裡面看過部長你打算編的多少錢?打算編多少?這是以公建計畫支持這是用公建計畫來支持的一個預算我問一下 |
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二、審查行政院函請審議:「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案 »: |
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主席最後半秒鐘,國科會副主委、我們的政委 |
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9410.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
9432.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
我想在這裡再一次提醒你就是說我們六甲那個就是我們的工研院我們的AI那個就是機器人的一個園區那我們要實踐大南方這個科技計畫這一個應該是沒有問題的吧沒有問題我們已經啟動了沒有問題了那我們的生產製造的基地是不是可以擺在柳科第3期 |
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9438.485 |
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我們也按照這個方向規劃。也按照這個方向再進行。是。好,謝謝。謝謝主席。謝謝委員。謝謝財務委員。接著我們請賴世保委員。 |
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9477.723 |
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謝謝主席我先公布一個因為針對前瞻這個現在講第5期我們看第4期執行的結果執行率倒數第一名的叫衛福部就到9月底為止執行數除以預算數 |
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9501.418 |
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主計總署、文字遊戲、廚藝、分配事務就隨便講講今年現在已經快11月底了第二名客委會、第三名農業部、第四名國發會、第五名速發部你看衛福部執行率不到55,只有53.3,農業部只有67.9 |
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9506 |
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9506.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
請邱部長 |
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9542.065 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
9565.568 |
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委員長部長你早最近你很紅啊大家都在罵你啊這個波波的事情啊謝謝我就講一個其實啊波波整個的爭議啊是陳時中核定薛瑞元定案邱太元執行就邱太元爛了 |
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9567.219 |
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9590.455 |
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找到一坨什麼啦齁?這個你有沒有覺得委屈啊?我想政府的政策是延續的你有沒有覺得委屈齁?你有沒有覺得委屈?我們都會把它做到最好啊?現在沒有最好啊!現在人家要上街啊!這個禮拜天要上街啊!我們已經表達最大的誠意了我跟你講你根本沒有誠意!沒有誠意!你可以看喔! |
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9592.574 |
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9592.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
9627.978 |
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到偏鄉區、臺灣運營到偏鄉區執業幫助偏鄉的結果你們就用這個砍了來數字會說話第4期106年代110年這個郭沛生90名了就第5期就21名了今年就有3名了部長 |
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9638.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
9665.949 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
白紙黑字啊!假借波波要去偏鄉幫波波掀洗白取得執照扼殺了本土牙醫的生路這絕對要受譴責的啦數字會說話陳時中陳時中核定這裡面我就不要公文我都有啦陳時中核定第4期90名就他核定的報告委員我可不可以說明一下 |
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9667.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
9679.622 |
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那這個90名是上一期、第二期的時候那是由地方來報上來那地方的需求這一次只有報21名怎麼會長期90變21怎麼會長期因為已經我們都是這個計畫這個是在地 |
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9685.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
9700.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
在地跟離島的一個計畫所以他是地方上報上來那可能地方上只有他10年後因為這些人10年後11年以後才會進入等一下請教育部長一起來好嗎所以會有11年到11年他們預計已經就好像現在金門齁 |
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| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
9705.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
主席 |
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9723.191 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
9728.615 |
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五十名那個是原來的辦法那個從十年來一直都是五十名那你就你看砍了空廢給波波這個就是衛福部的妖魔啊那個沒有關係啊因為五十年五十年就是五十年這個不會變啦齁 |
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那另外大家擔心的只是偏鄉那個是不是有撥撥我倒還可以提你當初就是撥撥的大力推動者你當立委的時候就在推動撥撥開口門我們當立委都很清楚那個閉門的法案是我前程在未還從頭做到尾把他當閉門法案通過從頭復航到底啊我是貢獻非常大不要誤解我也不要謀破你這復航到底啊你要知道我完全沒有復航 |
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你完全,其實我今天來就讓你要有機會講說這裡面是陳時中定下來的結果你給他濫結果你還把他結合起來了這裡面是陳時中闖的禍對不對,他要獨厚薄薄結果你還幫他這套奇怪的你還濫起來因為我們的偏鄉計畫現在沒有你這麼怕他 |
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沒有撥撥,我們,我在講的是偏鄉計畫現在是以第一個一定要有執照,第二個是本國醫師、本國醫學院醫學畢業月薪。你們現在有24億就是給撥撥的話,怎麼沒有呢?24億啊,20歲的預算。現在我們已經公布的政策是沒完全,就是偏鄉計畫一定要有醫師,因為他50,而且限定那55個現在沒有牙醫的鄉鎮。 |
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然若一定要有一致執照,那實習以後才能夠考第二階段,第二階段考完以後,因為波波的形容不好,已經有一死人的個案,還有一些個案都可以不可以要求醫院公佈他們的波波醫生有幾個可以嗎? |
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臺大幾十年我最清楚 |
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不不基本上住院醫師我們沒有說就是有些有些地區的當然像美國的哈佛大學澳洲協力大學我們都說過了台大公布沒有敢公布為什麼其他醫院不敢公布劉總你敢公布啊其他醫院為什麼你不敢要求他們公布為什麼不敢你回答啊你不敢回答啊包屁啊 |
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財政部長 |
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委員好我看到說現在的教召在政大我的母校我畢業政大研究所我在政大教書教了20年結果怎麼會校園裡面變成一個彈藥庫你的教召放在放在政大欸政大政大我代表我不敢說我代表政大最少但是我是政大校友、政大老師我政大教授出身我強烈抗議啊怎麼教召可以放政大欺負政大 |
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你到底什麼樣?黨政局要退出校園結果現在把彈藥庫搬到政大這什麼意思啊?你要知道喔部長啊一旦政大你如果常態化什麼意思?他彈藥放政大萬一我們的敵人他攻擊就會攻擊政大喔校園變成一個敵方攻擊的目標你承受得起嗎?部長啊你講一下你講一下問題勒 |
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我請問你事先有沒有跟部長打招呼? |
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你回答我,時間到了,你回答我這個訊息我個人並沒有你不知道啊,校方也不知道啊,可惡在這裡啊黨、政、軍退出媒體,結果大喇喇的部隊開進去政大什麼意思啊?請問政大以前,請問你知道駕照以前在哪裡嗎? |
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教昭以前在哪裡我想教昭在過去有很多的公共空間都在軍營比較多啦沒有我跟委員報告我其實也看過在運動場這個各縣市的運動場這個也曾經那當然有一些校園裡邊他是不是有一些地形地物上他們需要特別使用到這個地形地物我想 |
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這一個部分啊,容我這一個事後了解再跟我們報告所以你跟我回答就是你根本事先不知道政大當然也不知道結果就大喇喇的開進去政大校園 |
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我講大學的治理這個部分可能委員的這個信息裡邊我想我們事後再來瞭解應該基本上一定會這個事先這個請求這個學校的一些支持怎麼會這樣一步步的讓部隊開進去這個大學校園裡面黨政經推出校園都說假的 |
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沒有我想跟委員講這跟黨政經退出效應應該是關...沒有關聯啊他們要在裡面一個禮拜勒 |
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在那個原創大樓那裡就在校園裡面就在裡面就看到阿兵哥根委員報告因為我本身也是政大的校友所以政大的許多地形地物他可能有許多這個這個演練上的一些需求我相信你你如果要當部長你可以接受我不能接受啦部長真的我跟委員報告我相信這個在大學是你你寫一個評估報告給我好嗎我是我們來了解跟委員做報告 |
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謝謝賴委員部長是不是有彈藥庫進校園的事情注意一下接著我們請黃孟凱委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
10147.849 |
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好 謝謝主席麻煩請我們教育部長跟交通部長政部長齁 交通部 吳次長 |
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來我先請教政部長政部長延續剛剛賴委員的質詢本席看到也覺得非常的離譜欸等一下您剛剛講是說國防部宣布要在政大做一個禮拜的教招事先都沒有跟教育部溝通是嗎 |
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10198.385 |
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跟委員報告我想這個內部裡面我再來瞭解我確實是沒有收到這個你不知道但是通常這樣一個我相信它是屬於大學的一個全責在大學在怎麼樣大學全責教昭以往沒有發生過那 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
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今天突然講說要叫招而且是20號有運洩、居洩的物資進入校園禮拜六有幹部進入校園25號有100名叫招員進駐28號行軍訓練禮拜五才解編換言之他的 |
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完成的訓練全都已經出來了那現在有同學看到也會現在已經有同學看到說穿迷彩服的阿兵哥在一樓大廳來來回回走動場勘就到目前為止我們教育部身為教育主管機關後知後覺不聞不問不過跟我們報告我們確實在大學之前有沒有表達過我現在我都還想問說之前有沒有表達跟國防部表達不合適 |
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有地形、地貌、教昭有影響,但是國防部有提出這樣的需求,那我們教育部難道就是認為說沒關係啦?好理啦?什麼時候?有沒有表達不合適,但是國防部霸王硬上弓就是要?還是怎麼樣? |
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跟委員報告就我們目前的一個辦法他是由縣市後備指揮部依國環部的一個整體規劃的需求來這個競洽所選定的學校來辦理也就是說由地方政府的地方的政府的這個後備指揮部然後直接跟學校來接洽的以目前的一個辦法是依據什麼樣的辦法誰定的辦法 |
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就這個場地來看這個部長現在重點在於你是教育主管機關我現在我推估是你跟我們一樣都是看到了報導才知道那如果這樣會有覺得事情更大條欸就代表是說今天國防部他想選定哪一個學校他直接自己去溝通教育部也不聞不問管不著那如果今天是政大本席的選區 |
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淡水河口也是先被國防部長講是說這個訓練的首要之區因為有可能會有斬首行動那未來會不會淡江大學、申理大學、聖約翰大學 |
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跟委員報告,我想...然後我們教育部都沒發動我們最在意的是不是影響到老師的教學跟學生的教學研究您覺得教招人來來來,部長部長來,部長您是政大校友嘛是您覺得說這有迷彩妝的阿兵哥進入到校園有一百名的教招人員有軍械、有武器、裝備、設備進入到校園會不會影響 |
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我這個我必須要在實際的情況裡邊我才能夠評估對不起跟委員報告因為我相信大學裡邊他有一套的一個治理的一個系統在是不是會影響到教學研究上他一定會有一些評估部長記不記得我們上個禮拜在同一個場地的時候所有大專院校的校長來是 |
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10390.009 |
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10415.146 |
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我是不是才質詢跟請教是說有沒有信心幫教育部這些大學校長解決柴米油鹽降醋茶的問題我也期許說你不要換位置就換腦袋因為你過去是中山大學校長我也肯定你過去在中山大學服務很不錯那如果說今天國防部選定中山大學你身為前校長要不要講講話你可以接受國防部來中山大學嗎如果你還是校長的話 |
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我想學校在這個場地上的一些使用基本上一定最高的一個規準就是對老師的教學、學生的學習教學研究上會不會產生一些干擾是嗎?所以部長我只問一句學校是為什麼服務學生、老師、研究是學校從以前到現在我們有想過說它要變成是教招的場地嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
10446.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
10469.061 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
我想基本上翻遍我們教育部的規定有教招場地這個是學校要提供的基本上它不是學校主要主要的一個服務項目您講到重點了所以部長這件事情教育部能夠怎麼印起來我想我容我事後這個會後了解然後再 |
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10492.689 |
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整個我掌握我再跟委員做一個詳細的報告很多國人都關心因為現在不是只是政大如果說政大沒有任何人講話那中山大學有可能是下一個我想跟委員報告以後全縣市我們所有的委員所在縣市你只要國防部一個命令都可以說我要借用學校場地 |
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| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
10504.345 |
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大學可以借用那高中能不能借用高中能夠借用國中能不能借用到周邊全民皆兵所有學校都可以能夠同意嗎 |
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10533.89 |
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臺灣是已經要進入準戰爭狀態,是不是?來,部長,你一個禮拜內正式的給本席...學校一定是知道的,跟委員報告因為他一定要經過大學校宴裡邊學校通過,他才會...來來來,部長,我本席的時間真的有限啦但是如果說你要講,我真的...因為我其實準備拍攝交通部讓你在後面站學校一定知道,廢話! |
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10535.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
10544.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
他都已經進入到學校校園都已經公告說20到28、25號要來叫招了學校當然叫招但重點是學校能不能拒絕嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
10545.433 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
10569.442 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
今天國防部已經找到了政大政大有沒有說不的權利那不然的話怎麼會說讓他們進入到校園裡面做教導那我剛剛從頭到尾一直質詢的是說當政大收到這樣的一個命令的時候有沒有讓教育部知道至少政大它的位階上來講國防部比較大那我能不能找我的主管機關教育部部長對部長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
10600.396 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
不是嗎?部長,你現在發言是有經過了解還是說你只是揣測?沒有,他們現在給我的資料是大學端一定要同意的 |
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10612.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
10627.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
部長,我很實在話講,你的這個回答我真的沒有辦法接受,因為以大學來講,如果說國防部,就像你剛剛講的,因為一開始又先推地方政府就可以同意了,不用經過教育部,那如果說現在這樣講的話, |
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| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
10651.754 |
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學校有沒有他的權利可以說不當然是可以的是嗎是我現在看起來是你完全不了解狀況根據委員報告真的我們現在整個大環境很多的思維也真的在改變譬如說我們在國防科技許多的人才也用我拜託一下好不好你是教育主管機關你要幫的是大學講話你現在一直 |
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10653.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
10675.381 |
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您把自己變成是國防部長了是不是我我我我從來不敢意願我的一個你現在是希望大學裡面都要軍事訓練合理化今天政大明天台大後天中山跟委員報告我還是說這是屬於大學不要開玩笑好不好大學的一個發展他們一個選擇這個我們就可以尊重謝謝部長 |
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10676.727 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
10682.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
是不是了解之後,給本席跟我們財政委員會關心的委員一個報告。來,教育部次長。幾個部分一定要在這邊幫我們地方的鄉親再發聲。第一, |
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10700.782 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
10723.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
但海輕軌二期的計畫已經10月底送到鐵道局要審理,那這已經來來回回了應該有3次了,到目前是不是能夠加快速度,趕快審理完畢?可以,我們可以再加速。太阪輕軌可行性計畫也在10月28號新北市政府已經送到交通部,應該是鐵道局在審理。對,鐵道局,是。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
10741.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
那這兩個計畫都是事關重大這兩個計畫什麼時候能夠給我們新北市府一個具體的答案我理解他們現在大概針對這些這個報告請各單位表示意見那後面我們會盡快的把這些相關的意見說上來 |
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| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
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因為這兩個計畫都已經來來回回了據我的理解應該有兩次到三次所以我們希望這一次就可以是最後一次是能夠合訂、盡速合訂可以嗎?是對好那再來前瞻計畫裡面有停車場空間的一個部分當然現在有延期到114年的一個8月調整經費又總經費增加60億變260億嘛那本席提出來因為 |
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淡水地區現在20萬的人口即將在這個禮拜就產生再加上你有看到相關的觀光景點淡水地區是過去這3年被國內國外人士認為是說最熱門的觀光景點之一對不對所以很多人講說淡水的停車空間只有20年前蓋捷運站的時候下面的一個停車場但是接下來都沒有比較大型的一個停車計畫 |
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那這個部分,若地方政府提出來,是不是有支持的空間?如果有需求地方提出來,我想我們全力來支持。好,那本期也會儘速安排相關的會刊,我們找地方政府、中央政府一起來討論,看是不是能夠選定合適的地點,我們來研議,請地方政府提出計畫,來爭取我們的停車場建設。好,沒有問題。好,謝謝。好,謝謝。謝謝洪夢凱委員。 |
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教育部要提出這個報告那如果中小學也進中小學部長是不是也會同意?叫招那部長同意嗎?接著請嚴坤衡委員 |
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主席、各位練習官員大家好。主席有請國發會、水利署賴署長、交通部五次長。謝謝主席。我先請交通部林次長。 |
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市長我想這次計畫第5期計畫交通部組織的部分超過144億我幫你整理軌道建設包含淡海、輕軌、台北萬大、桃園捷運系統、高雄鋼山、台鐵集集、台南市鐵路地下化 |
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〈前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案゚〉 |
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沒有一項跟臺中軌道建設相關,臺中的軌道建設零,零啊,真的是零所以叫臺中真的是,不只是我們這些臺中市的委員,臺中市的市民請回以堪這第一個,中央沒有把臺中的軌道建設捷運放在前瞻,我想要請問交通部 |
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這個前瞻計畫當中軌道建設是零那我們之前包括國發會還有我們這個交通部承諾的這個烏日大慶段鐵路高架化還有海線鐵路雙軌化的部分第一個進度到哪裡再來就是烏日大慶段鐵路高架化現在在等國發會核定那烏日的這個情況大家知道 |
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過去從大慶一直到豐原、鐵路高架超過300億都是由中央全額補助,地方不用負擔但是現在我們提的烏日大慶到烏日站的部分地方要負擔56% |
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財政部委員會主席財政部長 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
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中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案 ：一、邀請相關部會首長就：一、邀請相關部會首長就：一、邀請相關部會首長就 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院 |
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為什麼會有這麼大的懸殊這第一個我要請交通部拜託你多多的關心台中台中部我請因為時間有限我請次長你針對我剛剛提問的部分做一個一次性的回答簡短的回答快點好不好所以我簡直報告一下剛剛提到那個費用的部分前瞻預算因為它預算有限那剛剛提到的譬如說我們以台中南線它其實編在公建裡面 |
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請審議 |
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蘇長,我加快因為我今天要講的就是我們台中南山解水溝的部分那你也很清楚一期、二期已經完成一期、二期加起來是6.5公里的河道已經完成但是工程的完整性最重要第三期就是整個延伸到上游清泉崗機場 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審議 |
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跟委員說明,事實上我們跟臺中市政府合作過去投資了50億,完成了二、三期的建設剛剛委員所談到的第一期的部分,我想整個沙鹿淹水最嚴重的地方大概光田醫院,它若是能從臺灣大道那邊 |
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然後做一些提前的節流,導注到我們這邊來。主長,你剛剛提到的最重點,為什麼那邊會淹水?因為上游就在清泉崗機場,整個這個水都會往這個沙路的這個市中心來。所以我們剛剛提到一期、二期是在榮景段,榮景段已經完成了。 |
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主席 |
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主席主席 |
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委員好謝謝我們不好意思是我們的副主委現在就是說我們知道這一次八大項700多億對不對沒有一項在台中市 |
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沒有一項跟台中有關係,都沒有。然後呢,超過一半400億是要靠這個競爭型預算來爭取。就是地方政府,剛剛念到的任何一個地方政府提出申請計畫,計畫寫得好、說得好、受到青睞,還是說中央計畫最後拍板點頭要哪個縣市就哪個縣市。我們一到四期超過7600億完成的部分,台中市佔208。 |
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二零八、兩百零八億這個不用比較這大家都知道連高雄的零頭都不到高雄是一千兩百多億所以現在第五期我跟你講台中市在前瞻裡面比嘉義、比屏東更少人口是第二大、內基第六大但是我們呼籲就是說各部會還有國發會對於整個台中市的發展我希望是得到一個 |
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公平一點的來處理不管是我們未來預算的申請還有這個建設的推動跟中央的要求的補助拜託大家公平對待可以嗎是是一定跟我們報告其實因為第5期預算規模有限所以像剛剛您提的捷運建設很多是在納到公建計畫我們上個會期我們那個剛剛提到的那個烏日大慶烏日站的部分現在還在國發會 |
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不曉得什麼時間才會出來?我們會盡快處理。好不好?好,盡快。謝謝。謝謝委員。好,謝謝顏官橫委員。我們待會這個蘇巧惠委員執行完畢的時候,我們休息30分鐘讓大家吃飯。那30分鐘,中午,中午,到蘇巧惠委員的時候。這個就請萬美玲委員。 |
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教育部、交通部、公路局、內政部、國土管理署以上代表 |
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好部長先到我就先請教鄭部長部長本席也是政大畢業我們政大真的是一個校園非常美麗的地方我真的很沒有辦法想像如果說今天這麼美麗的一個校園然後我們看到穿著迷彩服的軍人走來走去走來走去的我覺得這個很違和的感覺真的問題很大那剛才聽你在說這一次政大這個叫召在政大是這個大學同意就可以是嗎 |
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跟委員報告我現在確實這一個了解就以我們現在目前的辦法是大學我們尊重大學中小學是要地方政府他這一個同意那大學是由大專業校是由學校來決定那也跟委員補充說明 |
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事實上他這一次的一個教召是在政大的後山那個創意中心他比較是不是本校區裡面的那個部長所以您現在講說您現在了解了嗎可見你之前一無所獲他是在政大的後山您的意思是這樣嗎是好那我覺得我們藉由今天這個議題來談那如果說今天教召到校園裡面去您個人身為教育部長您同意還是不同意 |
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主席主席 |
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主席主席主席 |
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請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
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那也就是說在我們雲林的斗南高中那麼它也有一個類似像教招這樣子喔然後是被徵用喔那我請教一下今天來出用那我大學還可以決定我要或是不要、同意那今天來徵用的情況之下學校可以拒絕嗎? |
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就一個暫時來看我看很多的條例它的情況是不一樣的部長那您個人呢一般來講我們學校當然以教學為我現在一樣問教育部長您個人呢在平時學校就是以教學為重所以你也不贊成教教在學校內基本上只要有妨礙到教學老師的教學跟學生的學習好部長很好 |
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蔣麗芸議員 |
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我想我的立場還是一樣只要學校因為第一個申請裡面它由地方政府來做決定那第二個是在教育部的立場我們希望不影響到這一個老師跟學生的教學還有學校的影響好 謝謝部長那您可以先回座我想我們就是不希望接下來我想先請教我想以上就交通部、公務局、內政部、國土管理署一起好 來這個我想這個交通部 |
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行人安全這幾年我們看到行人地域我們一直在討論這個議題前幾天立法院旁邊的鎮江街也發生了這個旱事我們看到公車駕駛可能年薪經驗不足那造成了這個生命的消失還有傷者那我們看到根據最新的檔案統計今年1到8月行人交通死亡數來到228人比去年同期多了6人增加了2.7% |
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本席在之前質詢這個陳士凱部長那他也有提到說我們交通部現在要降低行人死亡率到7%那現在剩下不到兩個月的時間也就是要低於353人但是我們看到這個數字我們目前的統計是在這個8月可是我們看到往年的數字大概9月、10月、11月是一個高峰所以有沒有這個把握可以做到降低這個行人死亡率7%?有沒有?做不做得到? |
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這是我們努力目標沒有把握只是目標好接下來我們再來看前瞻計畫城鄉建設中有提升道路品質計畫原來定110年到113年現在延長到114年總經費也從459億增加到19.99億來到479億 |
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國土管理署也在第5期編了65億來改善人行道路跟市區道路,對嗎?但是我們看,編了這麼多的錢但是我們的人行道總長110年8202公里112年8354公里只有微幅增加152公里1.8%全國市區人行道的普及率 |
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從36.68%增加38.04%也只增加1.36%我們花了很多的錢但成效不彰接下來我們來看全國市區道路22358公里減少成為21962公里減少了362公里我們越改越短所以我們看到 |
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我們錢花下去今天可能沒有太多時間跟你們質詢打詢但是會後這些要來回覆我到底這些錢花到哪去以上這三個數據這麼差再來還有一個最重要的一個點就是審計部提出了一個非常重要的點就是我們提升道路品質計畫完工之後我們沒有達到預期的效益目標國土署也沒有要求要檢討原因就結案這是這樣子沒有錯嗎 |
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國土組委會議員 |
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等到天荒地老然後成效不彰那最後我想內政部國土組跟交通部我們現在也有一個永續提升人行安全計畫4年400億那這個我們同樣是要改善這個人行道跟校園周邊的行車安全道路那剛才有講了我們都是1億個年度之後才來檢討本席要求 |
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現在這些案子我們要來檢討一下整個人行道跟校園周邊的行程安全道路一週以內能不能把過去我們現在執行不好不利的這個績效跟評比可以把它這個送來跟本席可以嗎? |
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最後一個主席30秒很重要我想這個交通部我們桃園後站有個廣義停車場那之前要解決我們鐵路地下化之後停車不足的問題原本是7億的經費後來決標8.63億當時王國才前部長有承諾要補助桃園市二分之一也就是3.5億那麼後來只有補助2.8億不打緊其中的1.7億還是我們自己撤回文化局廣場地下停車場的經費拿來補助 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查 |
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交通部兩位司長、運輸監理、科技資訊運輸監理、科技資訊林福山市長、黃興勳市長 |
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兩位司長假車牌已經變成犯罪工具那麼很多犯罪者他當然會使用假車牌來製造斷點增加警方追緝的困難度而且假車牌這幾年也造成我們無辜市民都受害很多市民因為假車牌收到很多實質的罰單有一位市民甚至 |
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這個一個月內收到是3張都是敗假車牌之士那麼這3年來假車牌從一年169件暴增6倍 |
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到今年統計到現在為止已經1012件啊暴增了6倍之多所以如果我們單單只是照你們現在交通部做的就是說提高這個罰款你們確實罰款提高很多但是這是簡單講五個字治標不治本啊為什麼因為他既然要犯罪了比方說 |
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責騙集團、車手他隨便跑一單欸! |
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詐騙的金額數十萬上百萬之多隨便他跑一單籌金也十幾二十萬他哪有怕你這個罰金你倍增你漲到一萬多塊他也沒關係啊不是嗎?那菜道集團更不用講啦 |
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所以我認為解決的方式啦當然你們也有去宣導說這個網路不能再去販賣會去查緝這個可是這些要犯罪的人要購買假車牌假車牌的購買已經形成一個特殊的產業鏈 |
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主席 |
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三年前我們交通部還補貼桃園市政府交通局還跟桃園市政府一同做了這個大型車輛智慧管理辨識系統結果這個實驗計畫做得很成功當然人家當時的桃園市政府 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審議 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審議 |
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這些結果我搞不懂為什麼你們不做現在我問了那個施策會他們說有啊這個技術他們研發很完整啦但是一直沒有看到聽到交通部跟他們有任何的這一方面跟他們做探討所以兩位司長你們看法呢就數位車牌你們就這樣不做了嗎 |
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這個部分跟委員報告一下第一個就偽造車牌的一個這個部分的話那跟委員報告除了這個法律就是說修法提高這個罰款然後沒入車輛之外那實務上那基本上公務局跟內政部警務署還有其他部分的部分從這個就是說不敢賣買不到然後不敢用 |
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二、審查行政院函請審議:「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案 »: |
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你還要討論多久?多久可以給我答覆?你剛講了半天我就是還沒聽到你有什麼期存你這個time table要出來嘛第一個你預估評估總共這樣建制要花費多少預算這個抓了你第二個你現在每年汽汽車車牌也發了一百多萬個啊不是嗎? |
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你喔 在短時間內打一份報告給我 給我們全體委員好不好到底數位車牌做還是不做大家這些先進國家都在做啦杜拜甚至人家他已經變成智慧車牌車子被偷了他車子還直接可以顯示我被偷啦 |
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人家到這種地步喔欸那個欸那個主席不好意思齁我再簡單一點說您兩位請回兩位請回好不好你給我做一份這樣的報告出來齁這個集成還有預算抓一下桃園那個補助才一千萬人家就做得那麼好好不好我知道這個花費幾十億跑不掉了但是應該要做好不好請回我不好意思我再請那個那個 |
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衛福部吼?衛福部吼?哪一位?廖司長是?部長來啦?你來最好!內政部董次長董次長吼?委員好部長、次長 |
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財政部國庫署每年都發函給各部會說我們各部會是不是應該要發乙類公債來籌措這些資金結果言者尊尊聽者渺渺除了交通部以外交通部這10年來至少人家跟財政部的幫忙之下推了7檔的債券 |
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那這些都很正確啊用在桃園這個航空城土地取得高速鐵路附近周遭周邊道路的建設這些都很正面那我為什麼找你們兩位提你們兩位啊是除了僅次於交通部以外公共建設最多的部長 |
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我們衛福部有長照啊不是嗎還有各大醫學中心、教學醫院大型的區醫院、部立醫院等等這些整建修建這些都有自償性不是嗎現在長照正需要尤其是全日長照那內政部也是啊你們狹下有那麼多社會住宅 |
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各項的公教人員住宅很多那我從來沒看到你們積極在辦理這一點那麼推動這些餘總債券的好處這個不用我說啦紓解公務預算的壓力嘛同時也引導我們民間的遊資能夠讓他們來參與公共建設來增加我們的國力促進我們經濟的發展 |
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有點這麼多啊那結果你們這麼多年來四個字四個字變於形式要花錢變預算就有啦預算不夠那用借的跟銀行借銀行借利息都不低欸我看了各大銀行平均下來啦借你們大概都2.5到2.7以上啦喔 |
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比他們借給蜀囂三兄弟還高。 |
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所以這麼可惡的銀行體系那我另外再說所以我希望你們打起精神好不好對你們狹下的包括醫院、長照、包括社會住宅這些有意義的公共建設你們應該除了預算之外那應該籌措民間的遊資做移種債券好不好做這一部分的研究可不可以 |
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蘇巧慧委員 |
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好謝謝主席我們請國發會詹副主委然後交通部五次長農業部陳部長水利署署長還有我們的環境部彭部長抱歉我們先請國發會的詹副主委回答那其他的因為是時間的關係因為各要你們一句話所以請你們稍微準備一下各個部長及次長不好意思不好意思請你們稍等一下好詹副主委 |
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我想今天我們來討論的是前瞻基礎建設的第5期啦那第5期的意思也就是表示我們整個前瞻計畫8年8400億終於到了尾聲那國發會作為一個這個計畫的主持人、主持單位我不曉得你在最後這一期的時候你要不要做一個總結和評論覺得這樣的一個特別預算在執行國家基礎建設的工程你現在對它的評價如何要不要再繼續未來 |
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是跟委員報告根據特別條例其實整個計畫結束之後我們一定會做一個總評報告那我要你的現在啊那現在每個年度其實我們也有都有做一個人的評價啦是是是是不是一句話就可以了嘛正面負面 |
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當然正面當然正面嘛這麼簡單的事情各個成績都在出來各個縣市都在爭取這麼簡單的肯定的一句話怎麼還要講這麼多次呢當然是肯定的啊而且事實上我們從歷任的總統來看連陳水扁總統、馬英九總統、蔡英文總統每一個總統都有在對公共建設基礎建設進行大的投資計畫前瞻計畫也不過就是 |
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是一樣在擴大台灣的基礎建設而已而且事實上成效卓著所以我在這裡今天的問題是問國防會有沒有打算在賴總統的任內再次提出我不管你叫什麼名字我不管你用什麼方式有沒有要對台灣的公共建設再次的提出相關可能的計畫 |
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跟委員報告因為很多公共建設都是跨期比較長的又是跨域的所以這部分我們都會跟各部會討論會繼續推動這樣是要還是不要就重大的公共建設一定會繼續推動這是沒有問題的我問你的是要不要編列關於推動公共建設的計畫啊推動公共建設當然要啊 |
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是對推動公共建設的計畫如果各部會跟地方都有需求的話叫行政院審議我們國發會一定會去繼續支持你至少可以就你個人表態吧 |
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這部分的政策當然是會繼續支持各部會再提的公共建設計畫是沒有問題的國發會這樣就太客氣了竟然叫做國家發展委員會對於自己國家的公共建設竟然不敢大聲支持我是覺得這樣子是太弱了一點那委員在這裡要求國家應該要提出這樣的計畫再繼續支持整個台灣讓我們的城鄉差距可以縮小的公共建設計畫副主委那 |
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請您先在旁邊休息齁我要的是這樣的計畫但是根據現在八年前瞻的經驗下來我認為有很多的標準可以討論一下比如說我在選區這邊其實我們剛剛也聽到很多委員質詢啊確實只要停車場、活動中心都是廣受歡迎的建設我要先請交通部五次長齁次長 |
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這麼受歡迎的建設停車場你剛剛很多委員都在爭取你每一個上來你都答應他那到底最後所有的預算到底可以落在哪一個部分這是怎麼決定的 |
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呃,聽張榮顧問吼,現在大概我們會...對啊,你每一個上來每一個都跟你爭取啊,每一個都說,次長你跟著我們去會刊啊,會刊以後是會協助地方政府啊,然後就答應,是這樣嗎?沒有沒有,這個還是要地方提出來以後,然後看我們的預算。是,其實是要地方提出來嘛,而且地方會就他所有要建設的可能他還會進行一個排序,不是嗎?是。 |
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所以到底這個地方能不能夠得到中央前瞻這種特別預算的支持其實最重要的因素就是在地方的排序啊那你們有沒有對地方的排序做過檢核他為什麼這樣排他為什麼不是那樣排 |
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主席 |
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我認為不但是在第5期因為第5期還是有這種停車場的爭取所以部內這邊應該要對於標準地方提出來的要做一個考慮這是第一個然後未來如果將來還有特別預算的話 |
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也應該要對地方政府的排序中央要能夠有一套能夠讓大家說服的旅遊標準這是我對交通部的建議那第二個的話不好意思我們要請環境部彭部長彭部長你可能會覺得這個跟你有什麼關係 |
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但是我們新北市的肉品市場它有很大的汙水處理問題汙水處理問題可以用在什麼樣的計畫能爭取到經費呢其實是環境部的全國水環境改善計畫但是很遺憾的這個計畫依然是要地方政府提出申請所以你可能根本從來沒有看過這個計畫也不知道要怎麼補助但是部長 |
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我想要為你這邊再多提出一個標準就是如果地方政府沒有提出申請的話那麼中央部會是不是可以基於考慮它的公益性還有影響的廣大性中央有沒有第二軌可以介入來支持地方的計畫我認為是應該要考慮的啊為什麼因為新北市肉品市場不是單純的新北市服務新北市民耶它是北台灣最大的屠宰中心啊 |
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所以他所影響的現在的狀況是你污水不處理那就是旁邊受到污染然後天天給他開罰單可是處理下去以後那這個預算到底要由誰來支付中央要不要幫忙中央其實一直很願意幫忙啊但是地方沒有送上來的話我們沒有辦法介入嘛 |
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所以部長我認為不管是在這個第5期或者是在未來的特別預算假設還有的話我認為像這樣子的計畫中央是不是有機會可以基於公益性影響範圍性介入調查介入支持 |
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好,沒問題委員,這個部分我們會列入考慮。我藉著這個公開執行的機會,讓你了解有這樣的case。好,那最後我想請,謝謝。那我想請農業部的陳部長和水利署的二署長,兩個是講一樣的事情啦。這件事情其實是,這次三坨的颱風,像新北的金山,其實受到很大的災情。那謝謝我們農業部,還有水利署這邊都快速的來進行了整種的修復和災補的部分。但是, |
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我也想告訴大家也是跟兩個部會這邊做一個討論就是既然我們接下來要做治水的工程也是有可能會用到前瞻的預算我在這裡再一次的公開要求災區的工程要列為優先支援的項目災區的工程要列為優先支援的項目不曉得兩個單位能不能夠答應因為它已經就是會有問題了嘛 |
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絕對同意委員這樣的一個想法,因為災區本身的一個附件,就是農水路的部分,我們一定會優先支持。是,水利署也一樣吧。百分之百認同,我們現在是朝這個方向協助。好,災區的部分,所以我想,謝謝兩位,謝謝陳部長和賴署長。所以我想我做個總結啦,我支持國家要繼續有預算支持公共建設,那不管它編列在哪裡,我認為要支持。 |
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那各項的標準我認為地方當然有自主權但中央也要保有適度的介入空間這是我的論點謝謝各位部會首長謝謝好謝謝蘇巧慧委員我們現在中午休息30分鐘請大家用餐12點40的時候回到會場接著下一邊開始就邱盈瑩委員謝謝好現在休息12點40回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
13044.372 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
13046.876 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審議 |
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13104.002 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
13104.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
響鐘 |
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13151.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
13152.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
二、審查行政院函請審議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
14991.904 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
委員會主席 |
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15038.676 |
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這是我們這裡文化部部長李部長齁 文化部還有嗎文化部有齁 在那邊要叫誰嗎 一起 沒有 |
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15042.533 |
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法定人數不足 |
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15070.448 |
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因為在這幾天來,本席和你們的部長都說到自己文創園區裡面,自己市政府有需要你們的協助。在這個過程當中,部長你知不知道這件事,來回答一下。 |
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我知道這件事,我還陪過委員去看過嘉義文創園區。是這樣嗎?是。在這裡我也感謝部長很低調去教嘉義市的文創園區,尤其你看到文創園區的對面是美術館,你有什麼感受嗎?跟我們自己管理的文創園區裡面。 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
15108.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
二、審查行政院函請審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
15137.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
15142.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
二、審查行政院函請審議:「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案 »: |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
15152.359 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
15152.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
委員會主席 |
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第一,整個部長都沒有交接下去喔!因為不是跟你們現任的部長,我後面會跟你們說,包括跟市政府,也有這個訴求跟要求,結果到某個位置,你們都沒有什麼規約或什麼嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
15191.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
法定人數不足 |
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15221.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
15242.855 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
市長謝謝你 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
15271.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
15317.069 |
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到現在都沒什麼事?我跟委員報告,就是整個嘉義文創園區現在大部分都是歷史建築。歷史建築?我才知道,我才知道歷史建築。是是是,所以現在你做整個因應計畫的修改。沒有啦,你簡單給我說,當時可以回答說,你要當時可以告訴他,自己是政府、文化、教育、社會福利、社會福利的常識啦,這才重要啦。 |
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15318.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
15319.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
委員會主席委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
15367.823 |
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市長,你說不用交給他們用,這樣對家庭是比較方便,你說這樣,我感覺稍微顛倒了。不是不是,表委員報告就是說,因為在使用上面,現在單純上面就是說未來嘉峪文創園區做好之後,整個修復、再利用全部都取得建造、使用執照之後, |
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15376.866 |
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他基本上的應用大概就是文化部還有深美基金委還有嘉義市在地的所有的大家都可以一起來使用這個空間 |
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來啦,因為市長沒地方在這,因為我這剩的時間,因為今天練習的時間很累啦。在這本學要跟你討論的就是說,你到目前為止,一國未來,你要怎麼WTO推動、怎麼做,可以讓自己做點嘗試的地方在哪裡,最無期間你們的考慮是什麼? |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
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15410.04 |
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負責任何事項?負責任何事項?我覺得要有前進,不是在原地這樣踏步,這樣我覺得不好啦!先有一個公共機關,要做的事情,我們要有基金,我們要有經過頭,不是今天說說的,要要資料還是沒資料,要要你們幾位還是沒幾位,這樣對 |
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15433.513 |
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15444.97 |
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我們的建構、文創、園區、包括家居、市政府都不好本身在這要求一國會來,本身所有的區委、電廠、他們要愛的區委 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
15448.951 |
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15463.548 |
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來這裡跟一星期來在我的辦公室說要如何跟市政府協商好不好來補充好嗎沒問題好謝謝好謝謝王美惠委員接著請張雅蓮委員 |
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15477.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
15481.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
市委主席有請衛福部,然後待會會請文化部跟故宮。 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
15495.732 |
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15512.233 |
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部長好,我想少子化現象已經是我們台灣目前面臨一個很重大的挑戰就是我們的出生人口數已經創下歷史的新低,達到13.5萬人然後我們也邁入一個超高齡的危機之中那我想特別針對於前瞻基礎建設裡面的一個 |
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15515.65 |
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中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
15530.891 |
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15532.091 |
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〈中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案), |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
15559.895 |
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15574.567 |
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我們在部件托育資源中心只有66.72%社區公共托育設施只有61.8%補助各縣市的偵測額上緊急與中長期安全機構的達成率更低低到46.54% |
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15576.428 |
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15604.306 |
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所以我們的預算執行率效率不佳那當然社家書是有說明說因為其實是因為營建成本的上漲導致多次流標以及地方政府規劃變更與行政作業程序的繁瑣已經函請了行政院公共工程委員會來協助改善這些招標文件但是我想針對於這些進度緩慢、績效指標未達標的情形我們是不是還有更具體的一個改善空間呢? |
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法定人數不足 |
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15612.552 |
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15631.092 |
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是地方政府工程標案多次流標、規劃設計多次修正,有時候變成結合新建工程手續要的費用高等等的這些,都是影響到社區公共、公共綜藝授資進度及經費執行會如議期。我們都有函請跟派員來督導。 |
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15635.436 |
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15656.741 |
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二、實地訪潮還請專家來輔導,從各方面的專家來輔導。所以我們也有盡力在幫忙他們來完成這樣的一個進度。對,但是我們是連續兩年都沒有達標。我們是不是還可以有更積極的一個諮詢效率跟資源使用成效的一個方案呢? |
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15684.1 |
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由資料呈現其實是有其實是有成長像我們已經大概有到達76.42%都已經結案了我想部長因為我們其實因為少子化是一個國家面臨到一個很大的挑戰所以我覺得這個還是要詳細的而且精進的一些做法但另外就是說我們在這個因為現在其實我們雖然有在討論這個彈性家庭彈性暈價跟 |
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| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
15689.402 |
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二、審查行政院函請審議:「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案 »: |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
15707.691 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
15708.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
二、審查行政院函請審議 |
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15736.107 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
15736.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
委員好 |
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15738.786 |
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15765.688 |
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部長好,就是我想請問一下就是說我們現在有一個叫做國家文化記憶庫2.0的一個特別預算案是我們非常重要的一個計畫可是一樣就是回到我們的前瞻第4期的執行是沒有如預期的像是我們的這個國家記憶庫及數位博物館應用只有到71.8%的一個執行率那你們是說因為系統防護啊、效能需求啊所以需要重新調整研擬細部工項所以才會延擋喔 |
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15791.787 |
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但是我們也發現在國家文化記憶庫裡面可做下載做非商業用途的授權比例也只有達到25.84%跟26.26%其實比整體54.56%都還來得非常非常之低所以我想文化部的資料庫開放程度是非常需要來提升的 |
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15812.594 |
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所以這個原因是不是反映了我們內部資料開放的流程過於繁瑣呢?我們有沒有一個具體的計畫來提升我們的授權比例呢?是,因為文化部跟其他單位不太一樣,它每一個資料都有可能有著作權的,涉及到著作權,我想這一點未來我們要去克服它。 |
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15833.367 |
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我想我可以理解但是我想這個因為我們的授權比例實在是太低了已經不到一半不到四分之一這實在是太誇張了我們是不是可以有進一步的簡化下載的流程授權流程呢來提升這些非商業利誘資料的可及性是我想我們回去檢討然後給你寫個報告 |
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15835.829 |
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15836.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
民間團體與教育組織合作推廣方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
15865.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
15892.961 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
響鐘 |
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15899.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
15926.514 |
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市長好我想我們經濟部的能源署在我們高雄的興達廠設立的高雄海洋科技產業創新區專區我們就稱為海創區好了那我想請問一下這項計畫總積分是42.63億後來因為展延現在增加到51.49億那第二期又多了一個深水池興建的工程又多了3.78億你覺得成效如何? |
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15929.531 |
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15930.836 |
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市長,您覺得成效如何?因為我們今天時間非常有限 |
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15943.574 |
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我們成效是有達到當初我們設計的有嗎?有成效?我們來看一下有沒有達到這個部分這個審計部的決算報告告訴我們因為你們的界面整合很複雜建制技術很高所以工程一切的展現重要的是當初我們說好要做在離岸風電廠的這個有關於實驗場域的騎乘 |
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15960.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
主席 |
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15981.334 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
15981.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
主席 |
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15999.159 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
15999.839 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
16015.166 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
16038.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
中鋼投資的興達海基這是我們國內唯二水下基礎工藝商6年虧了64億而且最重要是完全沒有風電的業務我們當時希望是能夠有風電的這樣子一個生產培植我們本土的人員培植我們本土的技術然後你旗下20餘家的協力廠商員工報了離職潮次長你有掌握嗎? |
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16040.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
16052.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
六年64億然後你是學氣管的好不好然後我們接下來再來看一下我再告訴你一個選項我們有為二的一個興達海基是我們中鋼的子公司六年課的64億另外一個世紀鋼在我們台北港 |
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| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
16056.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案 ：一、邀請相關部會首長就:「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案 »: |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
16076.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
16087.907 |
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請問這兩個為二的地方為什麼差這麼多?然後呢我們興達海基除了中東的子公司之外我們的國發的基金也有投資請問學氣管的次長你要不要對這兩個公司的命運稍微解釋一下? |
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16089.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
主席主席 |
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16110.073 |
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16117.735 |
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當初你們宣稱可以產生1.2兆的產值2萬個工作機會但是我就拿審計部的報告來喔第二個階段當中你們10個風場去年有9座是落後的而且呢海峽一期的風場本土化目標只有2成我們再往下來看你們當初告訴我們你們編列了2億8千萬左右然後你們給我們的升級輔導計畫裡面怎麼講你告訴我市場需求需要337座 |
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16137.381 |
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16139.302 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
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告訴我們跟我們要錢的時候告訴我們是339座你們做得到現在只有53座然後國內的供應鏈一年都可以慘賠到64億一年虧10億然後你現在為止因為WTO的問題現在已經想要拿掉國產化和政策的保護沒有國產化和政策保護你覺得這些供應鏈還有什麼辦法存活還有什麼辦法存活這些都是我們在之前已經提出來過了所以我真的還是要問的它的未來在哪裡 |
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新島海基目前為止連一張離岸風電的訂單都沒有繼續燒錢海創中心本來說是一個非常棒的訓練中心現在變成出海前的人員訓練中心而且台灣目前為止你不知道風電的技術多麼多麼的先進目前為止我們是9.58到9.5的MW但是你不要忘記未來是14到15的MW我們完全沒有這個辦法 |
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所以你告訴我們到底是怎麼一回事我們這個前瞻的錢還要繼續投資下去嗎目前的數據完全告訴你的落差這麼大還要再投資下去嗎你若要我們投資下去你是不是可以給我們一個理由給我們一個分析的理由而且我覺得台北港的世紀港訂單接不完而我們高雄的這個地方就連連虧損我真的覺得民進黨政府真的是重北輕難啦重北輕難啦 對不對 |
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市長我們高雄的這個部分就要到我們這樣子虧這麼多臺北的都可以賺這麼多我跟委員報告一下其實我們也在協助這個星達海基那是不是也可以有一些這個離岸風電的這些商機也能夠來給我當然也希望能夠本土但是你的數據我剛才還是強調數據會算數據差距這麼多數據差這麼多技術這麼樣不讓你前進你是不是要檢討你的政策 |
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16289.895 |
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16317.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
提供這個新打廠能夠讓我們這個部分符合你們當初所承諾的沒有問題但是經過這麼多年來我們以前提出這個問題沒有部分來解決而且更何況我們拿掉了國產的保護化測試之後你看這些該怎麼辦中央可以把很多錢給予中央的福利可是配合政府的政策還要國發基金進來結果竟然虧損連連你讓中央員工的很多福利因此受到損害我當然為高雄的中央講一句話難道不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
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16344.62 |
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我想我們會來協助新的海基我還是希望你若要我們放這樣的一個預算進去請你拿出你們可以解決的方法包括現在的問題、未來的問題還有我剛所點出了從8到9的Megawatts你們都目前為止可以未來已經到14到15了歐洲的部分我們還有辦法拿到離岸風靈的訂單嗎現在沒有當初你們告訴我陪日本土化你們可以拿到這些訂單我們非常好 |
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16363.246 |
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希望大家能夠透過國外的藝術精進可以讓我們國內也可以發展顯然廠商都撤離了還沒有達到這個一張一張訂單都沒有這個部分姿勢體大次長你務必給我們一個交代這才是我們今天審慎前瞻最主要的監督的目的謝謝好謝謝委員謝謝謝謝柯志恩委員接著請王煌威委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
16376.368 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
16376.608 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
16395.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
16419.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
好,市長,剛才我們柯志恩委員所講的這個新達海基,64億,他這樣封店嘛,對不對,通知封店。昨天呢,在我們的追加預算的諮詢裡面,我們特別來諮詢包含院長跟部長在內,也就是在上週金週刊有做一個綠店蟑螂, |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
16421.991 |
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16436.425 |
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也就是說現在包含全台的風電也好或光電也好事實上很多的資金很多的資源流入了綠電蟑螂所以我們要求院長一定要打擊這個綠能蟑螂 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
16438.186 |
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16454.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
因為今天不管是我們追加預算也好或者是我們的前瞻預算也好我們以為我們以為我們是要去發展綠能我們以為我們要去發展再生能源但是是不是我們只是在餵蟑螂 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
16456.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
16482.065 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
為這些綠能蟑螂所以在這個部分請經濟部在我們所有的國營事業相關在投資相關的綠能裡面不要弊病重生啊新打海極現在看起來是大幅的虧損但是我們還不知道裡面會不會有藏著其他的貓膩如同台鹽一樣台鹽的前董事長都跑路了 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
16483.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
16502.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
到現在已經快一個月了到底在海外還是在台灣內部都不知道前國營事業董事長太難看了這個拜託經濟部在我們整個執行國營事業的轉投資相關的綠能產業的時候不要變成綠能蟑螂的幫兇可不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
16505.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
16505.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
16535.447 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
16563.388 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
前瞻預算計畫執行到現在明年是最後一期嘛對不對但是呢這幾年下來前瞻製造了非常非常多的蚊子管比如說前一陣子就出現在屏東西市場它本來呢號稱所謂的五星級市場當時也是風光開幕啊但是呢最近呢發現七一層的攤商抱怨啊沒有辦法賺錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
16564.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
16587.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
所以這個屏東西市場大概很難避免最後又變成一個文字市場之前包含屏東市的6個停車場我也曾經說包含我們的審計部也有報告也是一樣啊也是文字館還有谷山的漁市場所以主席長我最後要請教你我們前瞻預算1到4期的資金來源是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
16593.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
16600.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
主要是舉債舉債好明年700億的第5期的預算請問資金來源是什麼也是舉債還是舉債好大家聽到了8400億的前瞻預算特別預算每億毛錢都是來自舉債 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
16614.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
16627.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
每億毛錢都是來自舉債當我們在這邊常常在那邊高聲疾呼說財政紀律結果8400億都是舉債我幫你算了一下啦8400億全部舉債 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
16631.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
16648.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
最後留下文字館而且是債留子孫舉債就債留子孫啊我們不可能在短時間內這一兩年內把8400億還掉對不對台灣人一人平均光是養錢占一個人負擔3.65萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
16651.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
16674.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
光是養前瞻,我們可以回顧一下前瞻到底做了什麼樣的事情。治水,常講治水預算,可是呢?淹水越來越多不是嗎?然後說地方的建設,但是文字館不是越來越多嗎?我們去回顧花了8400億人民有感的在哪裡?結果一人花了3.65萬是在養前瞻。 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
16677.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
16699.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
所以我們今天是要再去看明年剩下700億然後繼續是舉債的支出嘛舉債來支應前瞻所以我們必須說啊邊好邊滿借好借滿完全欸完全都是用舉債的方式我們到底要留給我們子孫是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
16700.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
16714.198 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
再留子孫嗎?還是再留曾孫嗎?8400億這也就是我們長期以來認為特別預算長期編列腐爛而造成了我們的財政紀律之敗壞財政赤字 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
16716.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
16719.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
謝謝王宏偉委員接著請陳超明委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
16754.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
16760.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
謝謝主席首先有請我們主席出陳主席長還有我們財政部陳組長委員好那個我先看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
16775.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
16800.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
我們的陳主席長其實這個前瞻計畫到第4期已經差不多尾聲了也就是要做檢討的時候我今天怎麼站在這裡呢除了苗栗縣受到很多不公平的待遇大家都覺得苗栗縣的財政困難苗栗縣被你們財政部跟紙巨部監控那我現在請你看一個表 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
16801.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
16815.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
我現在很簡單就以五年度108年到112年度那以五級縣市苗栗縣、嘉義縣、屏東縣來做比較這五年之內苗栗縣創會給中央是1387億嘉義縣354億屏東縣890億 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
16832.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
16846.116 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
那108年到112年苗栗縣得到中央的補助就是一般跟補助款跟同仇的夫婦配款苗栗縣707億、嘉峪縣841億、屏東縣1234億我苗的冠帖人中央基攤288億 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
16858.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
16862.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
16871.808 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
16888.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
這樣敢說嗎?所以我一直講,有替你中央創稅的盈餘,你起碼也給我們鼓勵一下,無極限制。今天白天把你們愛情、把你們討錢,把你們站在這裡把你們討下去,實在討得很不公平,討得很不爽。 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
16894.142 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
16911.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
主席長,這個都有確實的失敬,你放心。我十幾年都用這個表,你們從來都不敢,顏色太重。我說有母女的孩子始終沒有糖可以吃,你們這個政府到底是怎樣在看?不要互相忘,以前的主席長都很老奸。 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
16912.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
16937.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
我現在直接給你看、給你了解因為第4期了大概都已經確定了所以我希望說你新任的主席長跟你的財政部長都都可憐的苗栗縣但是我們努力分發向上每年都參照所以說以前借的錢就是今天已經這個成果已經展現了所以我希望你以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
16941.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
16965.105 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
多多關心苗栗縣主席長,你的看法怎麼樣?苗栗縣主席長,你的看法怎麼樣?苗栗縣主席長,你的看法怎麼樣?苗栗縣主席長,你的看法怎麼樣?苗栗縣主席長,你的看法怎麼樣?苗栗縣主席長,你的看法怎麼樣?苗栗縣主席長,你的看法怎麼樣?苗栗縣主席長,你的看法怎麼樣?苗栗縣主席長,你的看法怎麼樣?苗栗縣主席長,你的看法怎麼樣?苗栗縣主席長,你的看法怎麼樣?苗栗縣主席長,你的看法怎麼樣?苗栗縣主席長,你的看法怎麼樣?苗栗縣主席長,你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
16966.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
16976.961 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
整個加起來它比去年成長11.7那比一般的縣市還高我比一般縣市還要高我等一下拿給你看這個日劇是112年、113年沒可能到關你不要搞我好我是今天還沒看你們的錢出了多少還沒決算出來了 |
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16986.791 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
16995.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
以屏東來講,屏東才成長百分之七喔!我們是以一百一十四年度和一百一千五百三十一億欸!如果說拿一百七百空七億欸!他現在免費就不夠了! |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
17003.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
17003.952 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
我一樣的嘉義縣、屏東縣 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
17034.903 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
17044.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
我用這個三個縣市做比較,這個叫做五級財政。苗栗關加貼一百公倍億,嘉義關貼兩百二十六億,檳榔關貼兩百十六億 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
17052.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
17062.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
當然要提到財,還有從頭分配款分到財,有夠啊,它很油、很綠灰灰的,不然不是你們的,就這樣求負,我給你們攤到這裏,你們也給我們找補助一個、鼓勵一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
17069.251 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
17077.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
委員這一個部分是國發會的分配國發會我的經濟委員會拿來拿去 您是很會推的 我所以好好會監督您不是在國發會當然我當初是努力在開設 創造地方優良的投資環境我會多花錢 但是我歲數已經回來了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
17095.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
17096.082 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
17111.346 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
17111.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
有董事長喔? |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
17143.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
17151.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
主席長、財政部長,我苦苦抱怨,我做哈固的民意代表一春二春,人家又這樣,再講白一點好不好。 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
17153.855 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
17174.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
內政部的董事長委員好苗栗縣的警察局在蓋是最終核定是內政部以前瞻第4期要補給苗栗補治14.多億對對嗎?已經補了怎麼說要補完?已經補過了你現在還補11億而已?不,管府已經同意了已經開始興建了啊!我們是忍耐,你就是這樣求福 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
17180.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
17196.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
你現在還有人這樣很強辯的,你叫他們補充給我做。那個蔣正石要來跟我講,一直來拜託,他們連怕部長,他們蔣事長怕被換掉,這樣的執行立法,我是很不敢玩的。 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
17198.791 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
17207.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
您怎麼這樣講話?您的公文是同意補資14.8億捏?是。啊你們怎麼只有補資苗栗縣11.4億?啊物價上漲,我們現在自己苗栗縣要去你經測局的總局?警察、縣警察是屬於中央的? |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
17218.416 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
17219.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
主席主席主席 |
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警察局、縣警察局屬於中央的,地方出行人給你企業的,你自己的地方要企業來營的,要出來營,這樣更不合理。 |
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您以前別的情願補助,您來了解一下,您把您保證好好做。不要以為他有靠山喔。沒有啦,我們現在要跟他約啦,沒有辦法啦,不然警察要蓋就一次蓋好了啦。您再去那裡,沒力,明天我等您,到我辦公室來,為討文件對一次,好不好?好,謝謝。 |
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主席、委員、各位官員好,我想請衛福部部長 |
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委員好部長好部長今天啊本期想跟你一起關心一下食安的議題因為之前我在質詢這個前瞻4期預算解凍的時候就有反應過這件事這個1到4期的食安總經費大概只有佔8400億上限的0.47規模但我們在第4期 |
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解凍案處理之前就發現我們從今年1月到現在食安的風暴不斷所以提醒大家應該要正視這個問題並且在前瞻第5期預算還沒有拍板就必須要看到預算過低的問題不然就會讓大家持續陷入在食安的風暴中那我想問一下這次的前瞻第5期食安建設項目除了衛福部之外是不是沒有別的中央機關編列了是不是 |
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我想我們有核定,有關於食安有一個...第5期,第5期有增加我們編列的...不是,你這集的...第5期那個...前瞻啦!對,前瞻前瞻,我們...我們這個建設...你講一下沒關係我是食藥署的副署長,跟委員報告那個我們食安的第5期有編列編列的是3.5億元比那個第4期還要多 |
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所以是有增加的以上報告不過13.5億元換算在這個前瞻總上限佔的比例只有0.15%它的比例是下降的跟委員報告我們是每一期比較啦我們那個第5期跟第4期第4期是編了14.4億所以我們並沒有說有下降 |
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好,我們來看一下為什麼想要提醒你們這件事情。請你們看一下這個表,因為食藥署應該會知道說每一年你們的中毒案量的統計是按計的是嗎?我們每個月都會有統計。每個月?那你現在手上有沒有數據至今已經11月,你有沒有到10月的數據? |
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跟委員報告我們大概是每一季會公布就是每個季底會公布上一季的結果因為衛生局他要去做案例的調查因為我現在只有到第一季就是說2024年到4月的食物中毒案量不是人數是中毒的案量就已經超過以前一整年的全年的案量那你有沒有到第二季的數據 |
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目前統計中那會話我們提供給委員你心中有沒有超過去年你只要告訴我這個就好了報告委員有今年的實績統計案件確實比去年多是所以不是應該要更重視這件事畢竟你們前瞻只有你們在編實案的預算 |
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跟委員報告我們食安不是光前瞻我們自己本預算還有食安五環那個行政院有給我們食安五環的預算在做食安之後我還會再跟你們要最新的數據一直到10月11月許多家長非常的遊行才剛公佈營養午餐不可以放咖哩因為又驗出違法的蘇丹紅還有這種動物體內的針頭流到加工廠又流到營養午餐的廠商 |
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這些都是全民最關注的事情,我也希望大家可以在今年、明年繃緊神經,看要怎麼樣改善好嗎?是,我們會全力改善。對,我問一下,你們這個13億是不是大部分都拿來做食安署大樓的建設? |
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跟委員報告因為要有好的大樓空間還有新的儀器設備我們才有辦法落實食安的進行好這個我都可以理解但是您有知道現在地方第一線的食安稽查人力是嚴重吃緊嗎尤其是這個保齡事件之後這個臺北市衛生局稽查科貼招聘公告已經貼了5次到今年4月都補不滿還差兩個補到昨天我來 |
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檢查我的質詢內容還是差兩位高雄市也在缺人、桃園也在缺人我知道你需要新的大樓、新的儀器、新的設備可是如果你沒有想辦法解決你的預算可不可以編到他們地方政府疏解人力的這個部分呢 |
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報告委員那個稽查工作確實很辛苦啦那我們的食安計畫裡面有補助地方的稽查人力有確實是有不是從前瞻是從另外的前瞻裡面有錢然後食安的五環裡面從5億提高到10億新的行政院長合併提高到10億所以給地方的補助都有 |
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好,最後一題而已,一分鐘。也請部長注意齁,我們今天樓下在討論這個職場霸凌的事,也有人揭發說機關署的整備組組長,他有這樣土皇帝的行為。那羅一鈞說大概兩個月可以有報告,剛剛樓下這個勞動部說他們10天就可以有報告,你覺得像這樣子的事情需要拖到兩個月嗎? |
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我會要求那個機關署進速報告,因為他們已經成立小組,請外面跟內部的專家再瞭解,一定進速報告。好,謝謝主席,謝謝部長。謝謝。謝謝陳金輝委員。接著請吳立華委員。 |
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謝謝主席等一下兩個單位先原民會後面國發會原民會原民會主委曾主委國發會副主委曾副主委 |
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主委好委員好您很清楚我們原鄉就是原住民的鄉鎮它的財務結構絕大多數都是仰賴中央的補助而且比例很高我隨便抽三個 |
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以牡丹鄉來講,仰賴中央62%,堅實鄉56%,桃園區89%。所以呢,對我們來講,我們很需要中央的挹注。那你們原民會, |
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這年有補助地方叫做基本設施維持費,那這個呢其實對原鄉來講很重要可是我們來看一下,像以面積來看,我們全台最大鄉鎮面積排名全部前23名是原鄉 |
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所以原鄉是因為地區幅員遼闊我們所需要處理的地方的基礎建設非常的多所以對公所來講負擔呢非常的大那這幾年我們有前瞻的預算我們來看一下前瞻基礎建設預算以你們原民會來看 |
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如果我們看這個其中一個項目叫做部落內的公共設施改善成果很豐碩喔特別是像文件站這個部分空間的整建也得到很豐碩的成果那我們來看一下在第4期預算也就是112年到113年 |
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以這個我剛剛講的部落內的公共設施改善你們編了3.2億但是第5期1000萬所以想要問主委落差這麼大那麼編列的時候你們是怎麼評估那因為時間的關係你也先不用回答等一下統一回答 |
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好,為什麼我這樣問?我們來看你們別的科目以這個多元產業2.0在第4期的時候編了6億第5期編了4億你看這個落差太大了那我們來看以我講的這個6億然後編成4億 |
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他的一個預算跟決算你看原本7000萬結果實際是2800萬然後看各地方政府的執行率也都在兩成、四成、五成甚至有人是百分之八所以這樣的一個方式我就要提醒我要請教主委你看我們依賴我們百費待舉啊 |
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尤其是推動文件站之後全國有幾百個文件站幾乎每個部落都有這個是很重要的一個對我們原鄉的一個政策可是我們用的都是什麼你最清楚我們用的是閒置的派出所、閒置的檢查照、閒置的學校、閒置的衛生所等等等 |
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那些都是不安全結構的百廢待舉啊甚至你也最清楚知道我們有很多的困擾是來自於我們根本土地不合法也沒有建造也沒有實用執照連要爭取政府的補助都爭取不來所以我要講的是說部落這麼多傳統屋、入口意象、文件站、活動中心、運動空間集會所、家屋等等等 |
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我們太需要原民會挹注經費來改善,所以我想請教主委,你會調整嗎?你會願意去處理這些問題嗎?例如編經費去處理補照的問題,可以嗎?可以,我跟你講可以,我們可以來研究,而且我們也在往這個方向在走。好,那我希望一周內來說明好不好?好,再請教一下國發會。 |
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副主委您好剩下一點點時間我就快速講我要說的是這幾年對我們原鄉來講我們聽到地方創生都很興奮都很願意報計畫可是我隨便講一個以農業部來講我們可以看到我隨便抽一個他說經費編3.59億然後執行率53.88%這個執行率很差 |
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甚至他提到說促進青年參與才50人次這個質詢力不好吧但是我沒有要講農業部因為都差不多為什麼因為我舉個例子尤其是我們原鄉很辛苦啊我們碰到很多土地的問題法規的問題我舉個例子他想要做溫室不行想要做機設不行想要做加工廠不行想要做小型屠宰場什麼都不行 |
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這個怎麼執行?怎麼地方創生?你應該很清楚。好,那我們常常就在講,像我們處處受限制,原鄉大部分都在國家公園保留地、原保地、同地、同化區。他一旦遇到法規,曠日廢時,很辛苦,所以很難有執行率。所以我常常說, |
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我們好在國土計畫法上路有一個第23條給我們一個原住民族土地管制規則來解套可是我要說的是我們也應該要想辦法不能夠一年一年看著執行率不佳 |
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我們要去正視像是我常常講可不可以做一個沙盒計畫鬆綁一些法規找一些事辦場域而且要立法像我們原住民我們就很想要原保條例提升法律外接要不然我們怎麼面對水保法森林法什麼都不能做 |
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所以地方創生促進法我不知道什麼名字我不知道國發會有沒有這個想法那總之從105年開始講108年創生元年到現在快要10年了所以我覺得我們包括我們的融資的優惠針對這一些提供融資、租稅、金融的優惠應該要另立專法或專案的方式我想日本之所以成功就是我剛剛講的他都做到了所以副主委您怎麼看 |
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李坤澤委員 |
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交通部五次長、氣象署陳署長、鐵道局理副局長 |
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市長好 委員好我想氣象局升格為氣象署是我提案推動的就是希望在極端氣候的肆虐之下能夠更精準的來預報氣象的相關的能力來保障國人的生命財產的安全那我們對於 |
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氣象署要提升我們的電腦預算能力,現在已經是第6代的超級電腦,來,署長說明一下,我們現在是第6代的超級電腦嗎?而且是全球500大超級電腦裡面是排名69名 |
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我們第6代在去年建置完成在今年2月啟用裡面的CPU的算力是10個PETAGPU是2PETA那在3月的時候是69不過我們有超級大電腦但是相關的AI的運算的能力其實現在還是靠著傳統的我們相關的數據的相關的輸入傳統的技術或是物理天氣的模式或是資料同化的技術觀測的數據那其實我們 |
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請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院 |
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你看就有那麼多的颱風這種歷史資料是不足的因為首次有這樣的狀況那新型大的氣象事件是無法去準確的預測的那訓練模型需要引入模擬的數據那當然會增加儲存跟預算的壓力那這個部分我們有沒有做相關的考量有沒有做相關的規劃來說明一下 |
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目前其實在之前蘇院長就支持我們目前有一個計畫正在申請然後行政院已經原則核定基本上是一個9年的計畫總計畫經費是達到75億大概每年有5億的預算其中高速電腦的採購部分大概是38億左右這個很重要另外我有幾個具體的建議我們強化氣象資訊基礎的建設計畫 |
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應該要提升它的運算能力降低預測的成本剛才署長也有做了一點說明要納入更多的情境的模擬應應極端氣候資料不足的這樣的一個問題那更重要跟科技領先的國家來共同合作來提升AI的技術突破數據跟運算的一個瓶頸那建立全球性的這種資料的共享機制強化模擬的數據準確度來,署長簡單說明一下 |
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是,我非常認同委員的認知那我們目前這個計畫正在進行其實在過去3年氣象署已經投入了相當的AI的計畫我們也跟NVIDIA做了合作當然在未來在新的計畫裡面我們會加速進行那這個部分也是特別院長特別有要求我們要加速進行 |
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另外署長我在2012年來因為我看2011年的這種福島大地震所以在那個時候我就推動國家級警報的設置也要求交通部建立相關的細胞廣播系統那現在 |
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現在目前的進度呢? |
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18350.335 |
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| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
這個部分我們的修正計畫行政已經通過所以目前我們正在做發包的動作這個必須要加緊他的相關的速度好最後吳次長對於高雄的捷運黃線捷運現在是已經在動工那當然我們也會碰到相關的國際原物料上漲的這樣的一個趨勢或者是缺工缺料其實我們看到營建工程的相關成本 |
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對比2021大概都已經是上升大概10%至20%那部分的原料甚至上漲到30%黃線捷運就必須要追加相關的一個預算而另外一條更重要的現在在做可行性的這個報告可行性評估已經出來了現在已經進行到可行性的這個報告 |
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18399.151 |
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指限捷運的進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
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現在高雄市政府還沒送上來?相關的補充資料還沒有送上來?對,還沒有。我們會跟高雄市政府以及鐵道局還有交通部我們來盡速的加快它的一個進度。李副局長有要做補充嗎?快。補充報告一下,那個紫線因為修正了剛送進來,我們在審查當中。已經送進來,我記得是送進來吧?對。好,我們再繼續來相關的聯絡來推動它的一個進度。謝謝。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
黃秀芳 衛福部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
18477.273 |
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18504.763 |
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委員好部長好部長我針對這一次這個前瞻基礎建設第5期的特別預算當中就是有一個因應少子化友善育兒空間的建設那這個預算總共是4億7244萬那其實我要講的就是說我們針對少子化大家都認為少子化是國安議題那這個前瞻基礎建設的這個特別預算我覺得只有編4億 |
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四億七千兩百四十四萬確實是很少那另外我想請教就是說我們在這個這個少子化友善育兒空間的建設就是要建構0到2歲兒童社區公共化托育計畫工作內容 |
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18521.844 |
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有推動社區公共托育設施、布建托育資源中心還有增設或改善社會福利服務中心、整建兒少家庭福利館還有改善兒少緊急及中長期的安置機構這些項目那我想請教就是說在這幾年當中你們竟然有編這樣的一個預算那我知道就是說你們補助給地方政府其實有時候是 |
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18547.502 |
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18573.691 |
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幾十萬,有時候是一兩百萬,確實都非常的少那這個你們如果說要達到這樣的一個這個少子化有三育兒空間的建設其實你只有給縣市只有幾十萬、一兩百萬其實我很難想像說會有什麼樣的效益啦所以我是不是可以請部長先回應一下在這幾年當中你們這樣子補助這個地方政府那有得到什麼樣的效益嗎? |
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好,我們一到四期也補助了52億那當然每期從最早的6億到14億、18億、13億那今年的4.7億主要是針對要設立18個新設的推動這個社區公共托育及這個 |
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原公子女這個壽司大概有18個另外就是有編列、推秀散的一些會用還有整建一個兒少家庭福利館 |
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18637.453 |
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有關過去的成效是不是鄒家索可以簡單報告一下部長我現在要講的就是說從我們整個國家認為少子化確實是一個國安議題從去年我們的新生兒13萬5000左右那到今年在我記得在10月份的時候我這個諮詢部長的時候當時在10月的時候說才8萬多 |
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18638.834 |
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那其實這個新生兒的人數確實是逐年在遞減當中尤其是今年是農年很多人會認為說農年可能新生兒會增加可是我們從上一次這樣質詢你們提供的資料我覺得可能沒有增加反而是減少那這樣子的話其實如果說在我們的這個少子化友善育兒空間的建設這個是硬體建設如果沒有增加的話其實我覺得 |
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應針對少子化相關項目的預算增加。我也希望針對這部分你們可能還要再加強,或是再跟行政院這邊爭取預算經費。另外一個議題我想請教,衛福部在103年有委託中正大學辦理托育服務 |
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這個供給模式還有收費機制的研究那這個研究當中這個已經是10年前的一個研究那10年前的這個研究當中有說送托一名兒童的托育費盡量控制在家戶所得的10%到15%才能有機會增加家長生養第二名子女的意願那我想請教已經經過10年那整個社會的變動那我相信部長你也 |
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二、審查行政院函請審議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
委員會主席 |
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還有一個是104年的就是說你們是有一個全國托育資源中心訪視輔導計畫那其實這個當中也有建議就是說托育資源中心對家長提供的這個支持協助評價還算是非常的好所以就是說你們一個結論就是協助地方政府財源籌措及挹注有其必要性 |
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中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫 |
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吳佩奕委員 |
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18828.884 |
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18829.725 |
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謝謝主席。我請勞動部次長、國發會副主委。 |
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18867.35 |
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好,今天我們是進行前瞻基礎建設計畫第4期成效跟第5期預算的詢問那進入主題之前我想先請教勞動部次長因為有關我們勞動部的基層同仁因為遭到分署長這位謝宜榮分署長的霸凌 |
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18868.57 |
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18890.667 |
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然後請審這一個事情引發社會各界的嘩然那勞動部在後續的處置我想也非常之不妥所以稍早我們部長已經承諾會重啟調查那首先呢在這幾個層面我要提醒次長就是第一個 |
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到底在過程當中從分署長到我們的蔡孟良署長這個當中調查的延宕有沒有包庇知情室在重啟調查當中務必要去把它理清楚有沒有曾經獲報 |
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而未處置再來在你們的之前的公告當中這個勞發署的蔡孟良署長說他自請最嚴厲處分叫做送考機會那我請教次長如果分署長送考機會是由誰來評量是不是由署長自請最嚴厲處分叫做送懲戒啊次長 |
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最嚴厲處分送考記這笑話所以我在這邊再次提醒竟然要重啟調查當中有沒有包庇之情是無必釐清再來你們無必要去把它釐清除責任之後該上懲戒就要送懲戒好不好謝謝委員指教 |
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好 那再來我要討論的是我們的前瞻先看一下第4期的成效因為省基部有一個報告其實前瞻大部分的執行率是不錯其中像軌道建設甚至超過百分之百很多也在九成以上但是我看到幾項單項的項目的執行率很差所以我必須要提出來想要釐清第一個是勞動部我們有一筆整修職業訓練中心你的執行率是零 |
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這筆預算雖然不大1400萬請教一下是發生什麼問題是跟委員報告這筆預算是我們配合那個地方的勞工的相關中心的內政補強那是補助新竹市政府那今年3月以後新竹市政府 |
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19006.288 |
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19019.204 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
該相關標案陸續流標6次,我們協助他在做標預算和工期的一個重新調整,已經重新再做公告,目前進入評選階段,也有兩家的長安來投標,預計11月份會決標。 |
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19038.164 |
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好,所以如果待新竹市政府這個發報完成,我們撥補這個質詢就會進行下去?對。好,這我覺得其實反而比較事效。另外我要請教的是國發會,你們有一個這個人才培育促進,資訊率只有17%,連五分之一都不到,請問發生什麼事情? |
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19059.881 |
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是,跟委員報告那這一部分國防會主要是雙語計畫啦那因為本來有規劃是有要做行政法人但現在因為政策上雙語發展中心對,行政法人是那因為這部分的預算我們政策上有在做檢討所以暫緩執行可能因為主要是受到這個影響好,這個因為你們跟審計部的報告齁我要跟你講你們寫的是錯的 |
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你們說因為還沒有經過立法院的審議但其實你們法案上會期有送這會期沒送所以理由不在這邊所以請你們要務實的來進行檢討因為大部分其他執行成效不錯最後我要討論的是因為我非常的支持國發會做地方創生計畫也在我們前瞻當中現在我們前瞻要繼續做3.0的地方創生對不對對所以明年有沒有變預算 |
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臺北市臨建多元真案臺北市臨建青年培力公共站臺北市臨建公共公有空間活化臺北市臨建 |
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19114.099 |
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主要是他比較沒有來申請 |
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比較沒有來申請那這個我要請副主委幫我去注意因為我的選區在臺北市中正萬華區我們萬華區是在臺北裡面都會區也非常需要地方創生的一個區域我們地方有很多優秀青年團體他們也曾經去投過國發會青年培力工作站的這個案件那他們告訴我說其實都有需求 |
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但是有時候地方政府不讓他們提案對民間團體來講他們束手無策所以我希望你們要去來衡量都會區也需要地方創生尤其是在台北市每個區域的發展未必均衡所以請你們去來跟地方政府好好討論一下希望我們地方創生是真的可以落實到我們的社區基層當中好嗎好 謝謝委員我們一會來處理好 謝謝主席來兩位請回好 謝謝吳佩儀委員就請一位請委員 |
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主席,我前面先請我們的環境部的彭部長,後面再請衛福部的邱部長。 |
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二位好部長好那首先依據我們的那個氣候變遷因應法第10條本來就要設置專家技術的諮詢小組然後也要召開公聽會訂出5年一期的階段管制目標所以想問一下環境部目前法已經通過20多個月了那有開公聽會嗎 |
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19234.184 |
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19251.054 |
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第三期的話我們還正在確定這個數字尤其是現在巴黎氣候協定要增強這個決心那我們現在考慮這個數字要往上調但是跨級到很多的部會我們還在協調我們有一個目標了但是還沒有大家最後的確認 |
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19273.572 |
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這次要看預算 我覺得公務預算跟你的仔細去看你的公務預算跟這次提出來的前瞻我覺得有一點讓我們覺得氣候變遷署已經編列相關的1500多萬要處理法制的規定然後可是前瞻預算又編了1.7億是不是部長可以解釋一下好 我們請我們氣候署署長 |
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主席 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院 |
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看到你們在預算裡邊滿開心的是說你們有增加所謂的數位建設值得欣慰可是也讓人家擔心看右邊的新聞桃園這週發生了一場嚴重大火在桃園區春日路上不織布工廠一早就發生大火導致不僅是公安的問題那同時也混合空污還有水污染以上這些污染問題都是環境部的管轄範圍所以首先問環境部 |
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你的這筆預算要怎麼來運用,而且未來要處理像這種複合性的災難,如何提醒民眾? |
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19383.2 |
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包括委員這個是屬於這種所謂運用物聯網然後資料的這個整合的工作那當然啦我們現在這個其實你委員說的都是問題就是包含了空污、救災、廢水其實未來就要把它整合在一起我們會強調這種資訊化的IoT的治理變成一個更決策化的一個系統來推動這個事情所以在這個數位建設上關於噪音取締是不是有解還有是否會增加地方移動型的那個噪音檢測的設備 |
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對,也報告委員這個其實我們就希望能夠加強這個因為地方很多的反應還是這種所謂的改裝的車輛非常吵那通常我們的經驗是加裝這個檢測、偵測是有效的減少這個噪音好,那謝謝部長接下來我們請衛福部 |
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委員好部長我看到那個一樣的掃紙畫這一塊的確你們寫的執行率達83%可是整個竣工大概只有達到55%113年就有新聞在講說你們的部件工程一直在延拖執行率非常的差當時務衛衛部部也有講說不住地方政府辦理的室內工程案件可是由於很多都是我們的閒置的老舊建築或 |
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19437.254 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查 |
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19457.023 |
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有幾個在人家國發會就已經有提出來整個公共建設公共托育的量能不足品質不佳因為第1個部件目標沒有打標那第2個你的社福中心或者兒少安職機構設置未能滿足限制所以 |
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19474.821 |
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19476.602 |
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二、審查行政院函請審議:「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案 »: |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
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請審查行政院函請審議 |
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19561.501 |
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謝謝委員的指教我想委員提的都是我們在努力的目標那在達到達標這個部分其實我們結案也有大概達到最近的努力也達到76%那基本上我們的經濟措施當然就是我們一直開會推動匯報然後實地訪查然後我們請工程會和專家來指導希望該有的達標一定要達標那這個部分委員所垂行的當然就是硬體還有軟體的這個部分 |
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19561.721 |
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19562.601 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審議 |
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19593.285 |
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好,謝謝主席。有請文化部、農業部還有經濟部文化部李部長、農業部、農業部胡次長、經濟部何次長李部長文化部李部長委員好 |
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19636.187 |
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部長好我想這個歷史建物的這個活化跟保存其實對我們來講還蠻重要的那我知道其實我們在推動這個國家文化記憶庫計畫那最重要的就是在保存跟推廣 |
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〈中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案゚〉 |
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19662.757 |
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19690.814 |
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更進一步的就是把這個地方的文化的發展也讓這個全民來一起參與啦那我想呢透過台灣文化的一個路徑的推廣計畫還有歷史的這個文化資產的一個維護發展計畫還有再造歷史現場的一個計畫那這個都是我們文化部在推動的對嗎?對,這些東西對我們文化部來講是非常重要的一個那個計畫好,那目前的成效如何?可不可以簡短回答? |
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19692.034 |
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主席 |
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19711.175 |
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二、審查行政院函請審議 |
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19727.833 |
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19729.594 |
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何美的礦坑,地方文化局2020年12月已經 |
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19744.244 |
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19744.665 |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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19761.027 |
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農業部這邊是有分計畫嗎?具體?我們有派員巡查因為在礦坑裡面有岩石的掉落所以目前我們必須要有經費才有辦法來執行 |
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19805.354 |
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要有經費那我可以問一下這個經濟部這邊是不是可以來做協助的調查跟研究還有他要怎麼樣來做一個復旧的部分跟委員報告因為這個礦坑已經封坑了所以封坑之後我們經濟部就沒有再編列相關的這個預算因為所以其實他已經封坑也就是說他沉睡當中我們是換不行了是這個意思嗎對就是說他管理器官已經是由其他部位還有地方政府在主管 |
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二、審查行政院函請審議 |
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對所以沒有後續可以被經營的方向嗎?完全沒有嗎?是對好那最後其實我想請教一下我們剛剛其實有特別提到這些所謂的歷史的現場的一個計畫的執行的現況跟落實的一些挑戰 |
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19841.758 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審議 |
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19869.233 |
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19892.257 |
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確定這邊說已經封坑了也不再重啟那其實這個計畫其實就是停了就是目前為止是停止的好那截至112年底呢其實審計處這個地方他有說到96處的歷史文化的場域需要修復但是目前仍有5個地方是沒有營運的那這個部分我想可能最主要的原因跟招商 |
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19892.757 |
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19897.3 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
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19912.546 |
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我來回答委員,其實剛剛講說有五處,其實有三處已經開始活化,而且開始營運,只剩下兩個地方,就是大基隆歷史現場,漁會、政兵跟汐丘,這個是因為委員說的沒有錯,因為我們要辦理這個東西是要跟地方政府一起,招商也好,還有營運方式,目前已經朝著招商跟營運方向去做。所以是公司協力來說合作? |
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陳秀寶委員 |
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謝主席 請國發會詹副主委好 詹副主委委員好 |
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19992.503 |
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副主委好我們前瞻基礎建設計畫執行到現在是第4期總經費是7697億元只是到今天到第3季從112年到今年的113年的9月我們經費達成率是76.89% |
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20004.85 |
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20012.141 |
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那國發會議之前說預估在年底可以達成96%的目標從10月到12月兩個月要執行20%的預算1470億元真的可以做到嗎? |
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是,應該沒有問題。我想跟委員報告,您說的是經費達成率是用已經執行的經費除以全年的預算數。但是如果我們看我們的分配數,因為有些計畫會前面比較直行,比較晚。副主委這邊就說你們覺得是沒有問題的。那我再強請教,另外你達成了96%的這個目標之外呢,有4%,大概有308億元,這個是哪些計畫會沒有辦法達成? |
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20063.275 |
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因為還沒到年底,我們可能沒辦法直接跟委員報告不過從目前已經執行的幾個建設來看,可能在有關人才或是...所以你是以現在執行的狀況去推估的就對了目前比較低一點的大概是...我們前瞻基礎建設的綠能建設進行公正轉型的關鍵戰略推動計畫其成是從112年到113年底,總預算數是1.98億元 |
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20091.855 |
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但是當今年的10月底累計執行數只有0.95億元累計的執行率是48.09%而113年的預算數1.65億元當10月底執行數也只有0.63億元執行率只有37.89%請問副主委是什麼原因落後我們到年底之前有沒有辦法如期的來完成進度 |
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是是委員的確這個目前看起來不理想不過因為有些是跨年度的這些工作也是跨年度的那我們會在年底這個加速來推動那你們有沒有定一個目標到年底我們要有多少資金率我們當然希望整體我們的資金率能夠達到9成好 |
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那大家一起加油在我們國發會的網站上面我們這個執行成果上面有寫著完善公正轉型推動機制是指辦理業務研討會座談會一個場次那我們其他的擴大公民參與及加強社會溝通後持公正轉型政策的這個實證基礎以及增進社會大眾對近年轉型的認知這些我們都沒有辦理 |
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我們本來我們的目標是要召開轉型委員會的會議至少兩次而且要公布我們相關的轉型展望報告、辦理公聽會、座談會還有參採建議書至少還有11項等等這一些相關的我們都沒有做為什麼我們會只有召開公正轉型委員會議 |
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20169.841 |
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沒有沒有其實沒有其實剛剛委員提到的這些工作其實我們都在推動那也許是在推動中所以還沒有完成所以沒有放在我們的成果上嗎對應該說一直在進行啦因為這很多都是經常性的我們會辦理的工作 |
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20196.483 |
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那是不是我們會後也會提供一些我們做的事情給委員參考好那你這個一定要提供給我因為其實你們的這個目標跟你們的成果是有很大幅的差距那所以也讓我們關心我們所有的進展所有的計畫推動的民眾會去擔憂你們這樣理想跟現實的差距這麼大那對於這些反映出來的這些執行面是不是對影響我們未來2050年淨寧碳排這個目標有沒有影響 |
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20198.005 |
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20218.364 |
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我想這個今年2050的目標其實這個非常大有很多部會大家一直在推動公認轉型只是其中一個策略而已啦那其他的部分我想我們進一步環境部大家一起在積極領導這樣子啦副主委你會後把你們相關的最新的一些數據跟成果請你一份給我辦公室那這邊我要請教在113年我們與NGO |
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20221.867 |
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20245.605 |
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共同推動淨寧公正轉型相關活動委託辦理案8月5日,絕標A項目與B項目的八家廠商已經撥付第一期款項B項目兩家在10月28日完成議價為何共同推動淨寧公正轉型活動直到下半年甚至到10月底才能完成發包? |
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這個的確我們會要見討一下,也許我們行政作業程序上可能是稍微這個慢了一點所以發報之後你們這樣子的執行,你們這樣子的本身的這樣業務,你們有辦法把後面的,因為已經到年底了是是是,我們一定會努力啦,不過這個就像剛剛跟委員報告,有些計畫是比較跨年度的 |
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20270.705 |
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20271.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
陳秀寶委員 |
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20299.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
20299.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
陳培宇委員 |
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20327.557 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
20353.244 |
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委員好部長午安那在今天的這個前瞻的部分我想要談一下學校運動設施跟社區化的部分這部分目前我們要給予教育部高度的肯定尤其部長您在7月份的時候跟全國各縣市教育局討論相關議題的時候部長你也做了宣示全民運動推展第一步絕對是要讓校園成為社區運動新據點這是很棒的理想但是現實真的很骨感 |
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20353.724 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
20371.227 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
鼓感的地方來自哪裡呢?就是常常很多時候學校不願意借校園他們認為有管理的問題有收費的問題還有如果不合理的收費可能也會變成這些運動社區化推動的一個很大的門檻那這邊我其實要提醒部長其實在教育部裡面呢 |
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20372.088 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
20398.711 |
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教育部自己有一個教育部主管學校運動設施設置開放管理跟補助辦法部長這個辦法最後一次修正是在107年也就是到目前為止已經6年了其實相關的辦法法規執行的狀況跟適當的修正一直都沒有進度這個部分配合前瞻計畫我要在這邊友善提醒部長我認為這件事情在面對未來運動部的升格教育部還是要有所承擔這個部分好嗎?謝謝部長 |
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20400.293 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
20404.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
謝謝委員的提醒,我們來努力部長你知道今天是什麼日子嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
20407.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
20430.884 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
絕對不是我們在內政委員會選罷法的事情今天是非常重要的國際兒童人權日我們現場非常多大人應該99%人都不知道今天叫做國際兒童人權日部長我今天放的這個照片呢是最近這兩天有一個國小棒球隊教練要求小朋友在馬路上鴨子走路你覺得這是體罰還是訓練 |
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20433.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
20446.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
這不僅有交通問題﹖我想它是一個﹖真的是一個比較不宜的一個﹖比較不宜而已嗎?部長﹖不能﹖我簡單的講說不能用信念﹖可是在你們教育部的相關法規裡面體罰學鴨子走路叫做體罰欸 |
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20448.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
20454.518 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
不可以把體罰美化成訓練但是部長未來在體育署升格成運動部之後我們看到目前的規劃是你們可能在打算要把體育班交給運動部 |
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20472.054 |
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但是我要問如果又出現像現場這個狀況學鴨子走路會不會又變成未來教學現場的法外治權只要出現不當管教會不會到時候我們的運動部又用了舊的思維跟現場的教練口徑一致把這個認為是訓練部長你怎麼看後續分工的問題我想在這個體育班事實上他的教學還是在學校裡面包括體育老師業務的分工確定會在教育部嗎部長 |
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主管業務會教育部 |
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20544.625 |
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好 那我們等一下來往下看那部長我在上個月我們分別辦了兒少運動政策跟適應體育我們其實也很擔心因為我們看到運動部目前的規劃有一個適應體育司那我就很好奇學校裡面因為推動了普特融合那普特融合這個問題就會發生適應體育的事情到底是歸運動部適應體育司運動司還是歸教育部國教署 |
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20545.376 |
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20566.478 |
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跟委員報告基本上只要是體育教學這一個部分都是教育部教學這一個部分都是教育部那我們往下看會發生什麼問題呢如果都是歸教育部很多校園當中假運動訓練機敏的事情我們希望教育部未來要承擔起更重的責任那前兩天也有公務員投書公務員說 |
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20568.46 |
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20592.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
國教署跟體育署的命運大不同這裡面談到人員的問題、經費的問題、資源的問題也就是說我們來看下一頁目前規劃運動部300人、全民署100人可是未來在我們教育部本部學校體育你要怎麼編制在那個公務員投書裡面就提到如果最後學校的體育變成只有一個少少的名額10個人 |
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20594.346 |
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20615.796 |
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一個課,因為現在規劃成一個課,時隔要負責全臺灣3000多所中小學的學校體育業務,又回到以前那個年代,體育委會的年代,這樣會有問題也不長。跟我們報告,我們事實上不是一個課,我們是用一個組。沒有,我說學校的部分喔,在教育部的國教署。那一個組預計會有多少人? |
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20619.724 |
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20645.715 |
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法務委員,現在一個用組的方式來運作它的時候,有組長、副組長、專門委員,這樣整個加起來有20多個。20多,來,署長,你當署長很久了,你覺得這個公務員投書我相信你一定有看見,你的幕僚一定有幫你收集,他在講的現象就是學校體育現場的事情如果這麼多,而且加上部長剛承諾適應體育也會在教育部,體育班也會在 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
20646.235 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
20648.357 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
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20673.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
20698.309 |
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工作量超大,但是人員超少所以我這邊積極的建議神聖的評估體育班業務跟適應體育應該要保留在教育部希望不要造成第一線分工的困難再來運動部成立的過程當中相關的業務只要歸到國教署的都請國教署積極的規劃相對應的人力資源配置以上我們希望在兩週內可以收到相關報告,可以嗎?好,謝謝,請相關單位回覆委員兩週內喔謝謝署長,謝謝部長,謝謝主席,謝謝好,謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
20704.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
20705.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
接下來我們請李博義委員上台詢談 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
20730.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
20730.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
交通部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
20745.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
20769.239 |
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市長謝謝我看到我們第4期以及第5期的前瞻建設裡面有關於高雄的軌道建設那我想在這邊就教一下次長你會不會擔心高雄的捷運黃線未來的施作的金額在這一次送到部裡面金額大幅提升將近一千億 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
20770.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
20779.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
那未來有沒有可能行政院這邊再以特別預算的方式再來編列因為目前高雄市面臨的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
20781.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
20805.941 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
五座晶圓廠五座台積電二奈米整個台積電周邊包含高雄整個交通的狀況我們不希望未來成為新竹所以目前大眾運輸我們正積極的展開那我現在很擔心吼包含特別預算還沒有確定之外財劃法如果又把這些錢全又分到地方 |
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20806.857 |
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20823.064 |
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那整個中央跟地方軌道建設的這些比例怎麼樣試算這個是未來非常今年度明年度都必須要去注意的事情所以這邊我想請教次長先第一個對於高雄捷運黃線從1428億必須要增加到2348億而且經過我們交通部的這個核定喔 |
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20830.788 |
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20860.07 |
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那接下來高雄我在爭取的還有捷運紫縣目前規劃出來是1884億那這個預算我們到底要怎麼編列來市長你有什麼看法我說明一下齁剛剛講的那個黃縣市已經交通部已經審議過了那有一些意見就已經通過了齁那他們有一些意見請他們來修正那好像11月5號的時候他們有一些修正意見過來但是我們覺得還有一些在說明的 |
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20860.35 |
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20861.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
這部分預算目前看起來是沒有問題的。 |
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20876.721 |
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20901.97 |
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那未來還有這個900多億﹐增加的900多億﹐對 這個我們會剛剛講就如果沒有錢在預算沒有的話我們會編列在這個公務預算裡面好 謝謝次長我知道你也很支持那也很感謝你對於高鐵左營站未來從月台直下高雄捷運的這一個方案次長這一個方案大概需要多少經費我們的經費有沒有辦法來支付 |
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20903.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
20907.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
現在我這個跟委員報告我上一次我知道我也對這個非常的關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
20909.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
20932.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
那這部分上一次在9月10月的時候我到高雄去找台灣高鐵公司談了一下那現在目前我希望是我希望他應該開始先做規劃還有可行性的部分整個一起做可行性跟規劃一起做對一起做我是希望他一個階段他本來分兩個階段6加7我希望一個階段在這邊感謝次長10個10個月來完成 |
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20934.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
20935.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
二、審查行政院函請審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
20963.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
20985.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
這個我想這個一定會通非常感謝非常感謝次長接下來就是對捷運子縣我們目前可行性評估高雄市政府已經送到交通部這邊來做一些核定那未來的包括相關的這些作業我們也希望可以加速的來進行也希望可以用特別預算的方式來讓高雄市整個 |
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20987.743 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
21005.504 |
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因應整個高雄市的城市轉型,未來的AI、未來的半導體產業大舉進入高雄市,我們希望可以大幅的增進這些軌道建設,也希望交通部快速來做一些核定跟支持,謝謝。是,沒問題,謝謝。好,謝謝委員。好,謝謝博弈委員,謝謝。接著我們請張志倫委員。 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
21022.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
21035.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
主席、各位官員、各位委員,大家午安。先有請經濟部次長何次長何次長也來我們等一下到楊瓊英委員質詢結束的時候,我們休息10分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
21037.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
21052.877 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
市長謝謝你今天特別出席那我要請教市長就是有關於這一次我們前瞻5期的計畫裡面綠能建設也是在我們的這個前瞻基礎建設5期編列了31億5700萬 |
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21057.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
21081.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
主要我想是我們國家能源政策未來主要的目的就是希望進行排碳的部分可是次長像我昨天也有請教我們的經濟部郭部長有關於現在週刊報導所指稱的綠能蟑螂橫行的一個部分我們國外的合法優質的廠商他在報導中哭訴說他是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
21086.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
21088.252 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案 114年度（ |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
21102.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
21102.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
請教次長您的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
21122.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
21144.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
根文報告,這個發展綠能是國家的政策那當然就是目前有一些這個亂流那現在行政院針對這個打擊這些這個違法的這些部分我們也成立了一個跨部位的一個平台在法務部、農業部、內政部跟經濟部我們針對一些大型的案場 |
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21144.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
21171.058 |
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他如果有一些這種跟地方人士的這個部分有一些這種不當的這些違法的這些行為的話我們會做一些查處那另外大概市長你們有沒有跟行政院大家討論大概多久時間你們這個臨時的小組他的你的目標是什麼已經成立了這個小組已經成立了這小組的目的大概會花多久時間去完成你們的任務 |
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21171.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
21200.358 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
當然我們現在已經成立這個小組了而且成立一個群組那我們會針對一些比較大型的案場那會去關注一下他們的這個進度好沒關係那就拜託次長的部分你們要預期的有預算然後目標、時間那會後再希望說給本席有一個大概你們的大概的目標跟整個時程那次長因為昨天我要質詢部長的時間不夠所以我這邊要跟你公開檢舉一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
21201.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
21219.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
一據審計部的內部資料調查,國產署為了配合國家再生能源的落實以及農地農用的原則現在國土署把我們國家的土地出租給綠能業者可是綠能業者居然去跟台電簽約 |
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21221.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
21235.053 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
我再簡單講,就是國產署出租國有土地給這些民間業者,結果民間業者居然跟台電簽約時間大概是6到10年可是這些綠電業者居然跟台電簽約的時間長達20年 |
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| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
21267.777 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
所以這裡面有明顯的這個時間不相當我土地出租才5到6到10年可是綠能這些業者跟台電簽約卻是簽約到20年了這樣子我覺得讓人民的觀感非常不好這樣子未來會不會人民租房子也跟房東租兩年結果外面當二房東出租20年這樣子未來有幾個狀況可能會發生第一個未來如果這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
21269.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
21271.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
21290.739 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
21313.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
到底是哪些業者有這些通天的本領來去來去承租這些土地明明租土地的只有6年到10年可是他們居然跟台電簽了20年的約我還要再繼續跟這個次長說明現在這個國產署根本不知道有多少土地這些這個民間的業者跟台電有簽約的變成一個很複雜的三角關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
21314.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
21338.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
所以我想如果這個問題沒辦法去解決實在是會造成台灣未來整個綠能產業有一個非常大的混亂是不是請次長解釋一下跟我們報告一下就是說他跟國土署這邊有簽6到10年的合約那或許到合約這個租期結束之後他或許還可以再跟這個國土署這邊再申請續約他怎麼續約如果國產署不跟他續約怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
21342.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
21359.667 |
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對,那所以就是說,可能到時候會就整個土地使用的狀況,那會來做一個檢討。好,我是不是因為時間的關係,我是不是拜託次長,你是不是可以把這些這麼厲害的業者,他居然有這個能力,土地只簽6到10年的約,可是他有信心, |
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21360.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
21383.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
的綠電合約可以簽20年,這些業者到底是有哪些通天的本領來去做這樣的事情?可不可以做統計資料提供給立法院?那未來也請這個經濟部就這樣子有問題的土地只有簽6年到10年約可是跟綠能業者卻跟我們的這個台電簽約竟然20年,這樣時間上的落差可不可以做一個檢討報告?好,是 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
21385.658 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
21386.579 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
李憲秀委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].start |
21405.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].end |
21406.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
教育部部長、主席長、邱太元、邱部長、環境部彭部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
21438.808 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
21447.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
前瞻實行到現在,你覺得現在對於校舍的改進,因為校舍的安全預算其實永遠也不嫌多,包括地震瞬間 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
21449.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
21451.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案 ． |
| transcript.whisperx[755].start |
21465.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
21465.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
前瞻當時8800億的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].start |
21493.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
21493.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
委員會主席 |
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21502.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].end |
21525.054 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
委員跟委員報告,所有在前段時間...滿不滿意?滿不滿意?滿不滿意?進度滿不滿意?安全上有疑慮的也都少過一波,全部都做了改建...校舍的改建?你與其土土抹抹,還抱不如其實正本清源的方法就是校舍的改建?你滿不滿意?你回答我兩個字嘛! |
| transcript.whisperx[758].start |
21527.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
21540.109 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
你看你要編得到到110你現在有350億要做做銷售的概念你要到110年才開始做你如果當時第一年就有想法就早就可以開始做我跟你講幾個數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].start |
21541.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
21542.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].start |
21562.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
21565.938 |
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衛生教育品質這是我們要做的,我想我們跟我原的想法是一樣。 |
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一百一十三年 |
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好 我給你答案 因為我時間不夠一個是112年是113年是200億112年是240億好 這個部分我請邱部長回應我有沒有做醫療院所的健保的點值的補充有沒有維持健保的運作有沒有做點值的補充 有沒有報告委員 去年112年是有補大概將近179億那今年還沒有有就對 今年還沒有好 那我就要請問主計長 |
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主席 |
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請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
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21672.094 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
法定人數不足 |
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21710.036 |
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因為我接下來要關心醫療院所的環境問題。前瞻彭部長,前瞻現在撥了2億元用在推動廢污水資源化的管理也好,或者2.73億去改善水資源或污染的設施,用4.42億元來用於減碳跟氣候的治理。 |
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21714.699 |
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21729.81 |
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我們現在檢探的部分分三個部分一個是直接排放、間接排放還有其他的間接排放那這個部分我請問環境部在這一塊我們協助的衛福部什麼東西? |
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是,跟委員報告,我們現在跟環信部,第一個就是先幫醫院這邊做深度檢探你之前幫他開了一場會議叫做領航營對不對?是那怎麼幫醫院檢探?沒有做嘛對不對?你們現在部長沒來喔?現在正在做這個深度檢探會等一下你暫停一下,我今天沒有部長喔?有三點區開另外一個會 |
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有跟你講嗎?明天還會再來嗎?今天如果講不完,明天就會來。我明天有第二輪嗎?沒有?你繼續問,你繼續問,現在繼續問。那您是副部長是不是?我是次長,政府次長。那你可以回應我齁?是。不然我在這邊罵蔣老半天沒有用啊,招惹有意義嗎?沒有,你繼續問齁,我要問清楚。 |
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21781.397 |
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21805.237 |
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好,你現在環境部要求你公告一個修正排放流水的標準但是我們知道要配合你這個排放流水事實上在醫療院所他為什麼要放他放流水的時候他有放一個有效餘濾他加了濾在裡頭他加了濾的目的就是為了要滅菌,對不對?周部長 |
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21806.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
主席 |
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21826.914 |
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21841.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
所以他現在醫院醫療院所最大的問題是他沒有足夠的空間沒有足夠的設備他已經穿著西裝沒有辦法去改變太多其他的設施所以我請問你前瞻的預算在這一塊到底能怎麼協助幫助他你要怎麼幫他你有辦法回復我嗎 |
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21871.399 |
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跟委員報告你不是幫他開一場臨航座談會然後其他什麼都不管然後叫他符合你的標準他沒有辦法耶醫院醫療院所就這麼小不要看我們其他幾個醫院他怎麼樣去做這些設備符合你的標準他流水設備他沒辦法改地下水管沒辦法改他就是沒有辦法嘛那要符合你的標準要不然就被你開罰那要不然後面就是製造更多的病菌出來啊這個怎麼解決 |
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邱部長你要幫他背嗎?你不要幫他背啊!你不幫他背我後面就找你喔!根本報告齁放流水標準把那個餘率設定為兩個ppm以下是不希望說放流水裡面的餘率太多擺到水裡面會影響水平的設定你這個我都知道意思嘛!是!那你沒有去想說醫療院所現在持續的狀況是怎麼樣你怎麼樣去輔導他嘛!所以我這樣啦具體的結論啦 |
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21907.591 |
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21933.892 |
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因為你們有這些預算嘛你有水資源改善跟污水設施的改善計畫嘛你跟衛福部好好研究一下這筆經費怎麼樣協助他做改善好 謝謝看要撥多少經費我下一個會議會長謝謝委員對這個議題的關心我們會一起跟環境部一起來努力那結論要告訴我好 是不然我就再回來了好 一定好 謝謝委員 謝謝 |
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21935.656 |
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21952.792 |
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謝謝李燕秀委員。接著請黃建豪委員。好,謝謝主席。我們先請財政部國庫署跟公務署署長。 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].start |
21967.526 |
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21982.914 |
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好,兩位署長好,我想身為今天部長沒有過來我想針對我們這個國產跟進口酒類的這個討論我想這個WTO加入之後這幾年下來我們同時廢止了菸酒的專賣制度那我想台灣的這個酒類的進口也是逐年上升的 |
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22008.972 |
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近10年的比較,10年前國產酒類佔比高達67%,當時進口酒類只有33%。10年後的今天,也是去年左右時間,我想國產酒類首次佔比降到50%以下,所以這個衝擊對於國內業者來講是相對比較大一點。另外,其中影響最大的當然是我們自己國產署所管的,國庫署所管的臺灣煙酒公司。 |
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22011.774 |
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22034.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].text |
臺灣的公司在海外的銷售當然因為國內的佔比下降你們去找海外市場這個情有可原也合理但是海外銷售的成績我看在各國也是逐年的下滑那原因在哪裡呢我想原因第一個我們直接進入主題這個可能是關稅的問題我們在啤酒的製造裡面大概有兩個主要的原料一個是啤酒化一個是未烘焙麥芽 |
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22038.023 |
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國庫署署長,國內有沒有啤酒花跟未紅白麥芽的產業需要保護?我們的啤酒花的部分應該就是我們的台灣啤酒 |
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| transcript.whisperx[781].text |
委員會主席 |
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22069.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].end |
22076.941 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].text |
中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案 ：一、邀請相關部會首長就:「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案 ：一、邀請相關部會首長就:「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案 »: |
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22097.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].end |
22098.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].text |
李卓人議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].start |
22112.506 |
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22135.797 |
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一直在標榜說要來行銷台灣啤酒但結果因為它才是你們股庫所管的結果呢你的生產成本就比其他國家還高耶包含日本、香港、新加坡、馬來西亞、泰國、緬甸甚至菲律賓、印尼它的成本都比你低所以你這個你們海外行銷的時候你們到海外去你們當然你們的行銷的價格就很難去贏過別人了是不是這樣我們課稅的目的是什麼我們課稅為何會賣牙跟啤酒花的目的是什麼 |
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| transcript.whisperx[785].text |
這有關這個目前的這個稅率目前都是加入WTO的時候的約束的一個稅率 |
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所以加入WTO的時候有約束說我國要課未烘焙麥芽跟啤酒花的稅率達到7.5%是不是?是,當時這些稅率都是因為加入WTO跟各國談判來的。我們要課這麼高的稅喔?就是別我們的釀酒商以台啤為例,台灣驗酒公司為例,我今天要進口未烘焙麥芽跟啤酒花,進到台灣這邊要來釀酒,然後我要先課7.5%的稅是這樣嗎? |
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是,如果是進口這些啤酒花的話那你只能進口啊,因為台灣沒有啊是那不就表示說我們沒有辦法去扶持我們自己台灣的啤酒產業了嗎對,但目前的稅率是這樣,如果業者或者是主管…沒有,業者其實就是你們啦只是業者當台灣業務公司嘛,那就是你們啦其實對不對是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[788].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[788].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院 |
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22235.466 |
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這個是芭比爾這個是百味啤酒我想問一下兩位署長知道這些是哪個國家的品牌嗎知道 |
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22240.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].text |
中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案 114年度), |
| transcript.whisperx[791].start |
22264.964 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].end |
22291.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].text |
佔了百分之五十以上了所以他大量的賣為什麼因為他們有相對的政策補貼嘛所以打了我們自己台灣啤酒節節敗退所以今天這個問題提出來是需要說競爭是要公平競爭之前在執事長委員會講過嘛那其實這個問題是這樣今天中國大陸他大量去補貼他們的政策那加上啤酒進口免關稅所以他們當然可以低價的進到台灣的市場裡面加上這是美國品牌大家不會有什麼特別的質疑其實是美國品牌所以大家就進來了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[792].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[792].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院 |
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22338.725 |
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國辦的廠商也是我們整個我國該產業總生產量25%以上唯一的公司就只有臺灣菸酒公司而已也就是財政部所屬的國營事業所以你們什麼時候會鼓勵或是你們甚至是要求臺灣菸酒公司提出相關的申訴這個目前臺灣菸酒公司正在評估因為這個有關於申請反請銷的話是要由業者來提出那他有在評估 |
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財政部提出財政部提出財政部提出財政部提出財政部提出財政部提出 |
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| transcript.whisperx[795].end |
22384.414 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].text |
目前臺灣煙酒公司是司法公司所以可以由臺灣煙酒公司來代表提出所以你們會不會鼓勵我們臺灣煙酒公司去提出這個東西他是至於作為你們所屬的國營事業的這個狀況下面還是要看他們自己要不要 |
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| transcript.whisperx[796].text |
委員會主席 |
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22424.201 |
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是,我覺得我們這邊臺酒公司應該會評估市場的整個環境然後再加上去了解對方有沒有一些不當的補貼這些才能作為他未來申請反傾銷的一些依據那這樣的東西他去研議完了以後再做出申請案,謝謝好,組長謝謝,主席謝謝謝謝黃建豪委員接著我們請徐富奎委員 |
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22444.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].text |
謝謝主席,我們有請經濟部何政次、水利署賴署長,還有農業部胡政次。 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].start |
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22483.584 |
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委員好兩位政事還有署長好午安那我想屏東縣這個水資源很豐富那我們屏東縣有一個大潮州軟工湖那第一期的建設完成之後每一年預注了五千萬噸的水到我們地下的含水層但是第二期的這個案子一直評估到現在那本席覺得很可惜因為這個第二期的工程完成之後可以預注每年一萬五千噸的一個地下水的一個補助量 |
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22484.444 |
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22497.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].text |
這對我們南台灣的水資源是一個很重要的一個水建設那我請教一下我們經濟部這邊目前這個案子的進度跟我們報告這個案子我們已經報行政院那目前正在國發會在審理當中 |
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22500.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].end |
22527.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].text |
市長我想這個案子當然第二期的經費有包含一些相關的一些土地徵收還有一些建設但是這個案子是我們值得投資的一個重要的一個水資源的一個建設案子我想賴署長也非常的清楚那這部分主計長這邊是不是願意來支持我們這樣的一個案子因為這個經費要高達27億元那可能經濟部跟國會這邊有一些顧慮那站在主計處的這邊願不願意來支持這樣的一個案子 |
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22556.535 |
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我們是看計畫審議的情形,我們會來協助。好,這要麻煩主席長給我們屏東支持。那另外賴署長我想請教一下,就是上次風吹之後,我們要求整個屏東沿海地區的一個海岸韌性的一個檢視,包含我們的海堤、我們的離岸堤,那這部分我們目前開始啟動了嗎? |
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22557.943 |
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22583.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].text |
是在啟動的而且我們部長隨同院長去到現場的時候都已經有指示要提早完工包括下核海體的本身還有包括外面的離岸體包括外面的離岸體我們可能都會來重新來做一個檢討那現在我們預定在年底大概會發包年底喔對所以不過因為我們現在原本舊的離岸體已經有下限的狀況 |
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22584.657 |
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22598.557 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
還有一些地方是必須新建立案體的部分所以本期這邊是希望我們需要排個時間我們真的應該整個屏東沿岸要整個再巡檢過一次因為屏東是一級海岸的防護地區我們會審慎的來因應這個情勢 |
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22602.001 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
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那另外一個很重要的議題也是本席一直在委員會有質詢就是我們屏東縣有一些抽水站的設備非常的老舊那那個能夠抽水的一個容量也有限那沒辦法應付這個極端氣候的一個影響那這部分是不是也請這個水利署這邊這個目前提出大概有5個站2.5億的經費是不是請次長跟署長這邊也要支持一下 |
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因為我們這個已經請屏東縣政府做妥善的評估那至於說前瞻之後的下一期的協助地方政府的建設計畫現在國會會在審議但預算通過的話我們會跟屏東縣政府一起來努力 |
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那接著我想農業部的胡政司這次我昨天有去我們恆春、後壁湖漁港還有山海漁港看了一下那因為我們現在整個這次風災我們一些漁港的設施受到嚴重的損壞然後包含有一些的消波塊也都有受損 |
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這部分因為會有牽扯到所謂漁業署跟水利署的一個權責問題那包含我們一些的漁港的部分周邊都會牽扯到因為我們兩個有跨部會的一個問題所以有時候一些提案的部分沒辦法做處理那這邊 |
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布林恩是否願意來做一個整合?我們趕快把這些漁港的建設還有消波塊的部分能夠來做一個整合、來做一個處理。是,報告委員。在我們這個職責之內的話,我們非常樂意來進行。按照災後的這些相關的手續,我們會來協助。 |
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這次尤其我們屏東有很多的漁港建設這個已經有安全上的考量這次是不是我們優先請漁業署這邊來做處理?可以可以然後還有這次我們預托颱風有造成一些紅豆的一些災損那這個農業署的副署長也有去看過了那是不是我們可以趕快一併納入來這個讓農民能夠做最後一個農損的一個申請受理? |
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好,沒有問題,我們會請南區分署跟縣政府這邊一起來。這個教會速度啦。對對對,對不起,這一項已經公告,因為我們副署長在這個地方,已經公告下去了,謝謝委員的關心。好,這次最後一個就是針對我們草州有一個冷面包裝廠,那我想這個是我們做一個農產品的一個這個國際行銷的一個很重要的一個板塊。 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審議 |
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配合屏東縣政府,我們一起共同把屏東的農產能夠做一個最好的行銷。是,謝謝,沒有問題。好,謝謝。謝謝。好,謝謝許副區委員。我們剛剛先不是到楊瓊英委員的時候休息,但是因為他跟劉建國委員交換了,所以就到劉建國委員。那個,展鴻路委員。我請內政部。內政部齁?董事長嗎? |
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董事長市長其實我們內政部其實這個在前瞻裏面補助地方蠻多的而且蠻多都是那種基礎建設是但也有很多的建設我感覺這個進度是不是有不如預期 |
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進度不如預期我們的進度都有隨時在管控,而且滾動式在檢討都在九成以上真的嗎?對 |
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那你給我警察辦公廳社以及消防廳社在我們新北所有的預算額度然後他們的執行的狀況你給我一份在我們新北的警察辦公廳社跟消防廳社所有的部分我要所有的 |
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補助金額跟現在執行的情況,好不好?好,沒問題 |
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首長你都站起來了我想請問你一下我們有一個提升道路品質計畫這個人行道我們總共的預算第5期裡面有65億元他辦理的情況如何? |
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其實它都是延續給地方申請的所以這個部分其實大部分都已經有案子在排而且大概排出來的額度應該已經都差不多快要滿了我知道這個當然是有很多是延續性的可是如果從數據上來講我們全國市區人行道普及率110年底是36.6%但 |
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一百一十二年年底38.04兩個年度只增加一點我說明一下好了因為其實當時第一次在算的時候大概就是用以舊有可以設人行道的12米路以上來計算那後來因為我們因為整個社會的要求所以我們是把這個12米路的標準再往下降 |
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也就是說8米以上你只要有可以設的都希望它可以盡量設所以那個分母是變大那個分母是也就是說我雖然每年都有在增加但是因為你分母變大那這是第一個第二個就是說因為提升道路品質它其實有改善的方式改善的內容很多也包含了這個原有道路破損嚴重必須要重新更換也有所謂的側溝要改善跟人行道改善 |
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那所以在人行道的專注的項目或許沒那麼多所以才會有從去年開始有永續提升行人環境的這樣的一個計畫專注在做以人行道跟危險路口改善為主的那當然希望透過這專案的計畫能夠快速的提升人行道的一個比例所以慢慢就把它做一個分開來處理是這樣子 |
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署長,現在大家都覺得行人的安全重要,我們也很重視這一塊,那你既然分母變大的情況之下, |
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你給出的數據你應該就可以兩個數據讓大家一清二楚12米以上是多少啊現在已經增加到多少了我們後來增加了8米是多少啊可能8米的你那個基礎又很低啊那可能又增加很快啊 |
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謝謝張宏祿委員接著我們請謝亦鳳委員 |
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主席 |
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市長,我想請問一下,這一次的停車改善的這個計畫為什麼過去都是編列蠻多的,為什麼這一次好像只有41億啊?過去我看到有73億、有96億是因為執行率的關係嗎?主計長 |
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因為我們原來大概有260幾億,現在計畫已經算是最後一期了。對,那可是對於真的有需要改善的地方,我看到了去年的這個執行率都不高對不對?有些地方是確實是不高。 |
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對不對?那我們其實彰化的和美鎮他們有來跟我拜託他們有極確的需求因為他們的人口急速的成長然後他們又接近台中那很多人都有就是說上下班的關係或者是都有用車的需求那所以對於這一種有急需要停車改善你們是不是應該給予支持啊? |
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我跟委員報告我想那個停車場部分其實大概這種地方必須依他的需求依他優先順序提出來那我想我們公路局會依照他們的提出來的不管是可能性或怎麼樣看他的必要性、他的經濟性、效益性來再做一個評估我是不是可以請公路局我跟你講這個部分過去在李孟彥部長的時候其實已經答應了那 |
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這個部分已經有答應了,但是現在又換一個部長啊,所以我才要來這邊再繼續跟你講啊,我還要來拜託主計長勒,這還要他核可勒,對不對? |
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各位報告因為就是說整個前瞻計畫的總經費這個260億元那編列8年到這個這個明年8月其實已經都太冰冷了你不要跟我講那麼長我才5分鐘你快點局長你跟我講可不可以同意我們現在已經報行政院有新增一個這個修正計畫要再爭取60億元 |
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主席長,還有一個問題,就是少子女化,少子女化也是你們的政策,可是少子女化,我們有非常多的鄉鎮都沒有相關的經費, |
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那這個部分要怎麼處理?衛福部?他不回答。衛福部齁。邱部長。邱部長齁。邱部長我以前對你不錯欸。少子女化。 |
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少子女化的議題委員好少子女化就是0到2歲兒童社區公共托嬰計畫這個部分執行率只有7成多我們彰化縣對於衛福部的計畫向來執行率都很高就這個部分你是不是應該要協助 |
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我們會特別來瞭解特別瞭解有在協助一定要感覺那個關係很遠而且彰化的申請案件也相當多只是都還沒發包只是還沒發包 |
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主席主席 |
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楊瓊英委員 |
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謝謝主席、楊麒麟發言、邀請經濟部相關的提到哪一個單位就請來可以協助回答首先是經濟部產業技術師我們在第5期最後一期的前瞻計畫裡頭我們編列到了綠能建設2.1億數位建設27億所以總共這個向下是29.3035萬SE |
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軍委獎註 |
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好,所以我再次說明,也就是經濟部在我們的這個商業技術室裡頭我們第5期裡頭特別編列29億多的這個經費但是我們看到這些經費呢,我們補助的公園院是11億多占整個技術室裡頭的前瞻的第5期大概是37.8% |
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如果按照技術師所提供的資料在近5年裡頭你們整體法人的科專計畫發展的成果收入也是佔研發經費投入的金額平均比例是15.34 |
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但是在同期的工研院研發的這個收入裡頭呢比平均是14.77那換句話說我們花了這麼多錢卻略低於整體法人研發成果的收入這個這個收入比的一個平均率那這怎麼辦呢 |
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23473.184 |
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請說明跟委員報告一下就是說目前來講112年這個比例已經成長到20.4了那為什麼這個比例成長成長不容易是因為公園大部分的經費都投入在前瞻跟生技醫藥的一個研究 |
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所以在短期之內其實不太容易達成成效。那這讓人民覺得我的納稅錢到了前瞻又特別預算,但是我看不到方向啊。我看不到方向啊。你們有沒有預期我到底到什麼時候會有什麼樣的成長?你總是不能無底洞到最後告訴我急落落、膨脹沒有成果啊。 |
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所以我具體要求你應該具體策略強化你整個在補助計畫的後續執行監督研發成果的一個落實使用因為你只有研發你沒有去使用你根本把這個錢都浪費掉了而且也讓這個研發者很沒有榮耀啊而且沒有成效嘛那怎麼辦呢你們要怎麼樣去調整這個方案呢 |
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好,我們就照文的這個意思你去研討那個方案對那多久時間可以告訴我們我們是不是 |
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兩個禮拜內兩個禮拜告訴我你不能現在才告訴我說我因為科技所以我這前瞻最後一起到時候你說又是前瞻的錢那到時候沒有前瞻的錢那先前所投資的那不是浪費掉了嗎十幾趴這個怎麼樣比例人家也聽不進去啊人民的納稅錢那麼辛苦對不對我們願意支持但是要看成效嘛好不好兩個禮拜把方案拿出來 |
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中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期 |
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但是我們又看到經濟部你經濟部自己統計調查的財政部關稅署進口貿易的這個統計呢112年裡頭國內半導體設備需求是多少6858億他的國產比只有11體 |
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11.2%雖然你知道你比這個108到111年略有提升但是我們還是發覺在整個比例方面我們還是靠進口我們還是靠進口而且要有6858頁這一塊餅這麼大我們政府怎麼看待之呢所以我要請教我們過度的去仰賴整個海外的設備跟原料的供給 |
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我們只佔了十幾%尤其現在美國川普上任之後我們也不知道到底會有什麼樣的變化、化學作用所以大家很緊張所以市長你看到這個比例你覺得要怎麼辦 |
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我們的前瞻是5年 |
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這是五期這是最後一期我們到現在給我們的答案6千多億將近7千億我們的比11點多我們還沒有拿出這個方案出來所以次長針對這個議題我們要怎麼樣去強化整備我們整個半導體的這個關鍵材料跟它設備供應面的韌性 |
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這一個耐性是非常的重要讓我們整個材料設備有自主性跟國產化這是我們人民的納稅錢所希望的最重要的精髓嗎是那你們現在怎麼做你也把書面資料給本席好嗎多久時間給本席也是兩個禮拜兩個禮拜最後一個議題我們的這個水災災情跟這個淹水的問題水運署 |
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我看到我們一到四期水環境的跟水安全已經投入將近500億的經費來辦理縣市管理這個河川跟區域整合的排水系統整合整體性的一個改善這個大家很加油但是我覺得很納悶在第五期的方面你編列了101億又1000萬可是我來反推113年裡頭6月底你還沒有發包的 |
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你還沒有發包的喔你就有92項欸你的1到3項裡頭你還有70項啊治理工程你沒有發包欸這些就取消 |
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主席 |
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第一個,我們一到四期的執行率到今年年底絕對會超過95%本席告訴你,本席是針對你的這幾項嗎?那這幾項的部分,因為我們希望提早完工,所以我們是跨年度來核定所以有一些沒有發包的工程,它必須要先取得用地 |
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我們是跨年度來分配經費的包括有一些分配到第5期所以我們很有信心說第5期的包括101億都可以執行主席在這邊本期告訴你是第一期到第三期那你說你要跨到第5期才要來發報第一期到第三期的部分事實上我們已經執行決算的這個金額的話執行率是百分之百 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].start |
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23866.12 |
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你現在統計到8月份嘛本期統計的是到6月底以前你還有92項其中就是第一期到第三期有70項還沒有發報那你現在告訴我的是說告訴本期是說你我的是跨期是要跨到第5期才去發報那你為什麼要編到一到三期的呢不是跨到第5期才發報那你剛才這麼說啊 |
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到年底它會發包然後它的使用的經費會跨113跟114實際的這個工作進行的經費是你還是承認你還有這一下還沒發包你會預計到年底才要發包有這個信心嗎?是不是?因為我們增核了我們增核了這一些我們用滾動式的結構對!對!對!對!對!對!所以我知道你們水利單位很辛苦但是我也希望錢要花到刀口上好!謝謝委員長我們會加強管控好!謝謝 |
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謝謝楊強英委員接著我們請劉建國委員 |
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好,謝謝主席,有請代理處長。好,委員好。對,因為剛好看到你,所以要跟你寒暄幾句。我說你很辛苦,連續三次颱風,但是這種極端氣候,你必須要辛苦。你如果沒有辛苦,就沒有辦法去應變這樣的一個極端氣候所造成的損害。因為我們台灣第一大母河濁水區,就快要到漲潮的這種,過這個堤防的這樣的一個水位。 |
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那所以我們在106年的時候積極您跟我還有當時的公共工程委會的這個主委吳哲成大家同心協力的可以讓索爾西的這個三人炮的整治得到第一期、第二期到現在第三期的競會那也從107年一直到現在 |
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首長應該還記得吧,結果在112年是第二期的最後一年,其實成效斐然。也就是從以前的《三人報》這個東北京將近四個月時間,我們從原有的《三人報》的這個將近有59天,一直到去年度就剩下差不多2到5天左右了,應該是這麼講。但是你知道今年的狀況嗎? |
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23986.844 |
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24009.586 |
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現在又是東北季風,首長有掌握嗎?能不能簡單回答一下?我們現在掌握的話,這個禮拜因為它的風速超過10秒,每秒10米左右,又增加了一天。那基本上,今年的卓爾西的陽城的房子,延續過去的結果,過去時數每秒5公尺以上就會產生陽城。那我們現在可以控制到時數, |
| transcript.whisperx[869].start |
24011.806 |
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24036.094 |
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在每秒8公尺都不會有養成的這個問題那今年當然不幸因為楷米颱風讓我們之前7月多所投入的東西有一些損壞了那我們很快的就把它復原過來那當然我們的同仁也在第一線上非常的努力那我們會覺得說我們會延續過去的這個精神在行政院的指導之下跟各部會共同來努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].start |
24036.554 |
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24054.642 |
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我是要提醒署長我相信你有掌握不過那個反例的速度可能是不是要再加快因為以前我們有三個月的平台會議對不對那現在幾乎都沒有再開我覺得這是有問題這第一我已經有跟陳主委提醒過這件事情了那第二我們當然知道 |
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24078.754 |
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何大為來之後可能會造成原理我們相關的一些這些做法做回會有損害的一個情況但是我們很清楚有的是經常性有的是要臨時來做相關的一些做法上的工法上的一些處理那你都有衛星的定位在做整個掌控所以這一段時間其實坦白講非常的嚴重 |
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是,那特別是像這個禮拜或是像下禮拜的禮拜二之後,都是東北氣風非常強勁的時候,這個對我們養成房子是非常艱鉅的挑戰。那事實上陳政委也是多次的關心,不論是濁水溪養成的問題還有高屏溪,那甚至台東的養成的問題,當然我們現在...因為我的時間很有限,我知道 |
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24102.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].text |
社交署 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].start |
24120.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].end |
24148.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].text |
給司法署看一個表格啦,我不曉得這是什麼數據這個0到6歲國家一起養2.0這是賴總統推動重要的政策之一不只是政府的補助跟津貼的相關的資源到位啦那嬰幼兒的托育制度也是非常的重要我們可以看這個表格,請部長跟首長看一下你看你底下的這個部件托育資源中心,部件人數 |
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24149.58 |
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我們就看112跟113都已經達到125,達到400但是受益萬能次的最下一個112年度是98.87為什麼113年度是51.37能不能簡單說明一下時間的關係好,可不可以說明一下這個 |
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24168.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].end |
24192.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].text |
報告委員是因為疫情的關係所以有些稍微想調整疫情的關係應該部件拖曳支援中心會跟拖動社區公共拖曳設施遇到的狀況會一致嘛對不對對阿為什麼你的公共拖曳的設施社區公共拖曳的設施你的部件部件數113年100、113年125但是受益人數120是126、113年度是170 |
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| transcript.whisperx[877].text |
委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[878].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[878].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].start |
24234.58 |
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24234.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].start |
24250.748 |
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24270.687 |
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而且112年的下半年度跟113年度的這個狀況執行怎麼會跟疫情有關係?你總是要先在這邊打我啊!你事情要再跟我講什麼再講啊!公開來先回應清楚啊!你回應不清楚你事情下也不用再跟我講了啊! |
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跟我有說明,因為這邊的統計實施到113年6月,所以看到319,那如果是112,一整年是600多,就是還有半年的數據沒有出現。你對照你的社區公共設施嘛,你下面就是可以達標,你下面這個統計資源中心你就能幫我達標,而且落差值非常大。 |
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24299.735 |
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一百一十二年度就是九十八點八七一一一一三年度就是五十一點三七啊快減半了快砍半了但是你的公共托育設施我一直在講你一二可以達到一二六一一三還跑到一百七的啊 |
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請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].start |
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24364.365 |
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最少你要簡單的有辦法跟我們說明啊因為委員可以看到我們的托育資源中心在113年目標值是621他是全年度的那這邊提到的統計是到113年6月底是319所以他就是大概執行一半到年底的時候預計就會達到621這是我們到年底的目標值那因為現在統計只有半年所以他的那個達成率只有51% |
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24367.557 |
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24369.938 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].text |
好 我們休息10分鐘讓官員休息一下 辛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].start |
24392.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].end |
24397.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].start |
24439.127 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].end |
24446.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].start |
24469.778 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].end |
24475.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[889].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[889].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[890].end |
24538.241 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].start |
24583.367 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].end |
24590.253 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[892].text |
響鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[893].end |
24663.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[894].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[894].text |
教育部正部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[895].end |
25049.554 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].text |
委員好部長無安喔怕您那個坐在這邊太久沒有走動所以要跟您請教一個跟雙語政策有關的問題啦那先請問部長我想部長請問您那個每年度因為我們未來體育署要升格嘛明年度的體育經費在您教育部下面的是多少錢呢您大概記得嗎 |
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25050.635 |
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25051.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].text |
我們看到我們在前瞻裡面這個雙語政策的經費從125億增加到150億 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].start |
25074.679 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].end |
25076.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].start |
25089.326 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[898].text |
委員會指詢體育這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].start |
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25136.201 |
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關於雙語政策怎麼推動,其實非常少人好好來跟教育部討論今天就想跟您討論一個我認為這個雙語政策你們的六大重點裡面的其中一個我非常關心的就是你們的2030雙語政策推動重點裡面這邊就是你們的影像有一個是米平偏鄉落差 |
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| transcript.whisperx[900].end |
25138.583 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].text |
米平偏鄉落差 |
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| transcript.whisperx[901].end |
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跟委員報告我們在偏鄉這裡邊確實它是一個非常重要的一個一塊所以我們在這個雙乙的學辦我們有800名的大學生他們會進入到偏鄉去協助不管假日或者這一個寒暑假另外我們也透過這一個數位共讀裡邊來協助偏鄉的一些 |
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| transcript.whisperx[902].text |
有補助兩萬台的一個平板另外我們還有用酷英網這個部分能夠讓學童能夠自學包含我們也發展出這一個英語能力的一個自我檢測 |
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| transcript.whisperx[903].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[903].text |
因為時間的緣故我就不繼續就是我知道部長講的東西你們計畫書都有在你們的計畫書的第4頁就提到您剛講的這些方法那其中我最關注的是穩定偏鄉師資來源包含雙語公費生偏鄉合理援額雙語數位學習資源那我只是請問部長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[904].text |
更委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[905].end |
25278.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].text |
報告我們事實上在偏眼條例那邊有另外我們有13億特別來做消弭這個城鄉的差異對北鄉教育的一個教育那不是針對所有的不是針對英語的嘛那現在我想請問您英語的另外一個問題就是英語程度有非常好的小一的時候就程度很好那有非常差的那我希望雙語政策不是讓好的更好贏者全拿老師配合很厲害的學生教 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].start |
25279.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].end |
25280.975 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審議 |
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因為時間的緣故部長可不可以針對這兩個部分因為現在臺師大的林子兵教授就有說五大亂象英語老師幾乎產為全校的翻譯機每科都雙語反而亞苗助長部長你有回應說未來不會強迫非英語課的老師用英語上課 |
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我們一定要努力來用英文上課然後當然也有部分領域只要不是我們那一個學測那一個會考的一個科目國語、數學、科學這些東西我們基本上那其實中醫部在這個方面的政策轉彎蠻大的我想部長這不是您的責任報告我們沒有轉彎我們是深化 |
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因為我進來以後我特別要求我們國教署在未來從2024到2030有6年我要分兩個階段上的時期每一個階段從小孩子各年齡自我介紹包括學校的一個怎樣的一個比較生活化日常生活裡面的一個就是你讓我收個尾馬上好 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審議 |
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第一個,教育部是不是能夠請低限的英文老師,邀請他們來開滾動式的檢討會議?因為我認為英文老師他的方法、他的經驗應該是教育部最要聽的。是的。第二個,可不可以召集教育跟語言的專家展開諮詢會議,商討最適合台灣這種母語不是英語的、適切的教學方法,好不好? |
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主席主席主席主席 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
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謝謝范雲范委員,接著我們請游浩游委員OK,謝謝早委,那我要問有請交通部 |
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交通部吳次長 |
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市長好,那大家都知道臺灣有三大鐵路支線那在南投線的話是這個集集支線那牽扯到我們南投線的觀光命脈包括民間的濁水還有集集還有水利還有一直到車程那您也知道上次您跟院長有來的時候包括臺鐵集集支線基礎設施改善計畫 |
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它的執行期程108年到115年那在看到第4期的前瞻的成效跟第5期還在編列的部分的話第5期編列的部分在相關的經費是編多少?總共在這邊是編了3億3億那它總經費預算是23.63億那在編了這個3億那是不是23億等63是完全都編足?有沒有短少? |
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那目前來講的話短少多少? |
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現在我現在剛講了我們現在算出一切是目前是編組了啊如果有修正計畫那時候我們再來看從那個公務預算來編列好那本席也在這裡提出因為南投其實大家非常的關心這個支線的進度那尤其是第4期的成效再到第5期的預算編列那在這裡市長也確實承諾就是不完全編組嘛所以23.631在這第5期是完全編組那 |
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他的計畫期程是108年的8月到115年的7月那這樣子到時候有編組的話是不是可以在2022年的7月如期完工對 可以可以如期完工所以到時候就可以來進行這個通車典禮嘛是那就讓我們整個集集支線的這個包括 |
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〈中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案), |
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主席 |
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目前沒有問題啊目前沒有問題對OK好那太好了那本期在接著的話要針對部長就特別感謝交通部因為也剛好接著接我們回應藍頭的鄉親謝謝那接著的話要請教課委會 |
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科委會克加369級浪漫台山線8億的經費目前來講我們看到了桃竹苗還有包括是臺中、高雄、屏東甚至東部的花蓮都有申請8億多用了4億多包括克加博覽會 |
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但是在這裡在南投縣未來要成立這個客家發展所那其實南投縣的客家族群那基本來講有6萬多如果以廣義來講就是結婚的加起來將近有三分之一到四分之一是跟客家有淵源那本期在這裡要提出 |
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這個客家的發展他除了在客家縣市他在各個縣市其實都有客家族群那本席在這裡希望說看到前瞻基礎過去在客家族群的照顧都侷限於這個桃竹苗跟就是北客或南客那在客家博覽會未來在南投縣是不是可以在舉辦明年度的時候也可以在南投縣找個地方當作職場地或分論壇 |
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在前瞻的部分前瞻預算已經分配完了那我們會在公務預算上來支持各地的客家的在建設不管是活動部分那因為前瞻預算分配完我們看到第4期跟第5期資料都有顯示但是也因為這樣子更凸顯著在其他的縣像南投縣其實在客家族群是沒有被照顧到的或是較少被照顧到的 |
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平常過去一直以來到現在我目前為止也是都由公務預算來支持我們沒有否認客委員會的努力跟用心因為南投縣客家活動我都有參與只是本席在這裡提出是其實南投縣在客家發展所將來在明年成立之後 |
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二、中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案 ． |
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是跟委員報告這也是我們接下來的任務就是區域的發展整個要均衡客家的區域不只在桃竹苗連桃園桃竹苗的海線的客家的部分然後像委員提的南投嘉義嘉義也有很多 |
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二、中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案 ． |
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謝謝主席、立院同仁跟所有行政院相關的夥伴們大家好在開始前我是不是可以先請幾位主管第一位是教育部正部長第二位是園民會的曾主委可以請你們先出列那這待會因為時間比較緊所以我就先請幾位部長先上來然後文化部的李部長教育部陳部長跟觀光署的周署長 |
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經濟部是不太有機會但是經濟部也是有跟文化部相關的議題之後我再來繼續做一些處理 |
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好 那麼我們先從教育部政部長您好那在前瞻計畫的這個第5期你們的特別預算裡面有關於數位學習的這個計畫那這個是跟延續第3期、第4期在數位建設裡面就有22億的22億5000萬元但我目前掌握的數據我不曉得您大概了解這個部分的執行率有多少嗎 |
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跟委員報告我們事實上這一個前瞻預算的第4期裡邊已經達到超過90%那之所以原來的第三季會有一些稍微落後是因為它這個花包因為比較專業這一個全國的這個學術網路它比較專業複雜度高所以它流標了所以到第二標才標出去但是現在整個進度已經上來到目前已經超過九成了 |
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好的 那我想你也知道學術網路這個問題所以我這邊的數據大概只有31.63跟14.38那所以你們現在大概是在在這個數據以外大概還有多少的進程? |
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台灣學術網路的服務優化計畫在10月的達成率已經到95.97然後有一個是高級中等學校的智慧網路環境暨學術網路提升計畫10月的話已經到96.64跟委員報告 |
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好,所以你們後來有追上了所以我這邊就做一個提醒因為部長您也知道本席非常關注偏鄉教育資源的問題所以在你們這一期的預算在偏鄉這個部分本席這邊也請您多加注意然後持續追蹤,好嗎? |
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委員會主席委員會主席 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
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有的地方真的是還做得不好,我們還要去協助他啦。好,那你也知道問題齁,所以本席這邊提醒你,是不是在我們原住民的這個商品其實有很多很棒的,但是這個通路平台如果沒有有效的運用,那對我們的整個部落的這個產品也感覺到很可惜。 |
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主席主席 |
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主語教室的不足可多做改進? |
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委員會主席 |
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主席主席主席 |
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議員提醒議員 |
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進行專題報告． |
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所以這個部分我要請部長多加看管 |
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我們不希望很多這個地方的建設因此而被卡住。接下來我問一個,請問一下嘉義園村園區,你們W棟的這個無償撥用,請問是什麼樣一個狀況?就是嘉義市政府都已經將相關的這個經費都已經編了,可是為什麼你們不撥用給他們? |
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主席 |
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請部長多加注意因為嘉義市這邊已經有很大的聲音就是說這個原創園區他們其實周邊的這個設施都做得、準備得很齊全可是你們這樣子的狀況讓他們都一直陷於一個不知的情況所以請部長 |
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請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函 |
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這個不是以前在前瞻計畫裡面你們一開始是延伸到嘉義市嗎?為什麼現在在第5期都已經到了最後的機會你們沒有到嘉義市?沒有,嘉義市我們在用公務預算來下去編列你確定有嗎?確定那這個部分是不是可以請你們來跟本席做一個更細部的一個報告?可以,是好,謝謝,那謝謝交通部謝謝林千祺委員接著請林黛華委員林黛華,林黛華,林黛華不在王振旭委員 |
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謝謝主席有請經濟部水利署賴建信署長 |
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委員好,首長好,今天利用一點時間來跟您討論一下前瞻建設在治水方面的執行情形我本身是一個臨床醫師,那來諮詢這部分會不會讓你覺得有點訝異因為我在基隆長庚服務了20多年的時間,所以針對基隆道淪溪的整治,非常感謝 |
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委員會主席 |
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至少到今年為止有那麼多次的颱風跟強降水、強降雨基本上都非常非常的順暢那這一部分也可以請署長能夠進一步說明目前大輪溪整治的狀況還有後續要注意的部分 |
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跟委員說明,大五輪溪短期的工作都已經改善完成那大幅的提升了大五輪的保護標準,達到10年到25年的保護標準所以今年的凱米、山托爾颱風甚至是康瑞颱風在這個地方我們有支援基隆市政府包括抽水機的部分那至於現在在施工中的可能是那個 |
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明樂路就是後面那一段大概是在明年的這個訓期之前就可以完工了那原本有規劃一個中長期的措施就是在棒球場的部分那棒球場若是基隆市政部在改建棒球場的話順道會實現我們在水利法修正的淨流分攤的精神讓棒球場的有一些產生了滯洪池的功能的話那這個部分 |
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據我了解基隆市政府也就已經有做一些規劃但是這些規劃的經費我們也是有補助他但是他現在還沒有設計出來那我預估在前瞻的這個第5期的裡面可能他還沒有辦法去設計出來不過跟委員說明的是現在行政院國安會已經審議過了 |
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因應氣候變遷的後前瞻的協助地方政府的改善的計畫未來我們再來跟基隆市政府再來討論那這些工作完成了之後會大幅的提升大幅的沿岸包括寄進公路包括麥當勞那個地方的淹水問題 |
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好,非常感謝因為這個棒球運動場跟那個滯洪園區的部分也是非常重要要收尾的地方那第二部分就是有關於這個嘉義的鄉親針對於嘉義大嶺的鹿絕溝當然叫做鹿骨溝那是一個非常良好的一個水環境工程的一個部分那很期待在利用這一次的這個過程當中能不能夠也把這個水環境的改善 |
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請審查行政院函請審議 |
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這個部分的工作我們會跟嘉義縣政府一起來努力事實上我們也希望說嘉義縣政府有一個所謂空間發展藍圖的這個規劃那我們未來的前瞻的5期預算若是城門大院通過的話它可能還有11億左右的這個經費我們希望說透過一定的評比、客觀的評比那看看它能不能擠得上、擠不上好 謝謝署長的說明請回座 |
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再過來這一部分要麻煩交通部航港局的葉協榮 葉局長來 局長麻煩您 |
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之所以會麻煩葉學長是因為這個海洋的基隆國門廣場是一個非常漂亮建設到目前為止經過前市長林佑昌市長的處理我們可以看到第一階段已經在民國111年完成了那第二階段是要串接市區的這些工程這個部分不知道目前的執行狀況怎麼樣因為橋樑好像蓋了一半不會沒有錢蓋另外一半吧 |
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各位委員報告,非常感謝委員的關心這個是一個對基隆的未來港式發展很重要的工程目前的執行進度已經達到71.52%略為超前預定的進度預計在明年初應該可以完成這個部分 |
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我們在第5期的這個預算第5期的前瞻預算已經有編列相對相應的一個所需的經費所以這邊也要拜託委員能夠支持這個預算能夠順利的通過那讓這個工程可以順利來完成好 |
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請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院 |
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是,那各位知道大概到年底目前正在辦理細部設計那預計在年底可以達到30%的一個進度那明年可以來完成那這個部分我想在第5期的前瞻預算我們也相對應編列了所需的一個經費所以也要拜託委員來支持那我們希望能夠順利能夠來營造一個更好的一個市容跟港區的一個環境好,謝謝局長 |
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何新淳委主席內政部主席 |
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前瞻我們今天要審第5期特別預算案我大概從預算書裡面整理一下配置裡面其中城鄉建設是最多的221億222億多 |
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這一個我想請教一下這其中一個我最重視的一個城鄉建設裡面就是它確實對於我們地方建設非常的大那尤其我在地方上有聽到好多聲音包括我們針對很多人社區活動中心的一個內政補強或者是社區活動中心的一個重建那地方政府如果財源不夠或者是需要中央支持我們都是全力大力的願意給予支持 |
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地方政府沒有提案來爭取的話其實像我們民意代表不管中央我們都會結合地方的民意代表一起的來爭取也期待地方政府能夠提出計畫那我們中央來補助我現在手頭上的一個頭片聖河活動中心拖了兩年沒蓋地方的紛紛擾擾地方政府一直說是我們的預算還沒有過 |
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董事這個我有請內政部的同仁去現場去會堪過那呢我們也說得非常清楚當前瞻特別預算在這個會期如果所有政黨都能夠支持趕快的排審趕快的審查三讀通過我想我們一定會 |
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幫忙協助地方政府只要有提案不管是社區活動中心的內政補強或者是重建我們一定都是大力的支持對不對董事跟委員報告首先這些活動中心等等地方政府必須要優先解決它的相關的土地用地問題我們必須在合法的基礎上面去處理那所以地方政府應該負起相關的責任第二個我們會滾動式的檢討 |
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相關的案子只要地方提出來我們就會積極的協助所以只要委員、部分草野大家大力支持我們絕對會協助所以我再拜託一下除了地方政府該處理的一些用地或者是一些沒有取得建造史照的部分 |
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那我還是認為中央對於沒有建造始造的這種有歷史因故原有的一個老舊的社區活動中心我們還是應該要想辦法用什麼樣的機制來協助地方一一的盤點一一的來整建因為我必須要 |
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主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[980].text |
進行專題報告． |
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故事的這些老舊的活動中心我們如何能夠解套?第二個只要地方有提案我們儘速審查儘速的來補助預算來內政補強也好或是重建也好我要拜託內政部承諾好不好?會,我們會跟中央我們會跟地方一起合作我們會跟中央其他部會一起滾動檢討然後協助取得合法的身份我希望滾動式檢討而且預算能夠增多那接下來少子化的部分我要請教衛生福利部 |
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來 謝謝董事 謝謝剩下一點點時間喔 |
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市長,您好。要改善少子語化,托育政策很重要。我們過去數年來,教育部那邊做2到6歲的托育中心,0到2歲的托育中心是你們。我必須要說,0到2歲的公共托育中心,以台中市來講是嚴重不足。 |
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台中市現在全國第二大城市超過280萬人口我們現在目前只有45處那我們年輕的家庭不斷的移入年輕的人口不斷的增加所以我們需要更多的平價優質的托嬰中心所以這個部分衛生福利部是不是可以協助是的 因為今年的話台中市也有提出申請那我們現在在加速處理當中台中市提出申請幾處 |
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您會後把資料給我,那儘速的來審議,儘速的來核定補助好不好?那我再請教一下,除了0到2歲的投營中心,現在年輕家庭碰到的是什麼?2到3歲的專班,這個跟教育部有關係,還是衛生福利部?這時候教育部有處理得很好。 |
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有處理得很好嗎?我們台中也還不夠啊所以教育部現在有聽到是不是可以幫幫忙啊除了0到2歲的托育中心嚴重的不足之外這個2到3歲的這個專班在這個轉弦當中很多年輕家庭媽媽不知道該怎麼辦爸爸不知道該怎麼辦那如果這個專班不夠的話量能不足的話還是會影響到這一個年輕家庭的這個托育的問題好不好 |
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主席葛文請經濟部何次長主席總處陳主席長 |
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陳書長陳書長首先我們看到洋洋灑灑大概4000多億、8000多億的經費究竟它的成果展現在哪裡?民眾大概一般都感覺不出來 |
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那第一個我先講的是說有那麼多的經費可是最基本最基本的一些同工同酬津貼的問題我先請財政部這邊回答一下我們看到國營的所有的公股銀行裡面發現很大的同工不同酬的情況 |
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請問為什麼一樣是午餐費、伙食費有的是才750塊有的是3000塊那包括生育補助有的美胎補助才6000塊 |
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那合庫,像一般民間的銀行啊,它光是一台可能就是,像合庫是15萬,15萬。獎金的部分,也通通都不一樣。員工福利信託的部分,台銀、土銀、出入銀行,通通都沒有。我們可以看到, |
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這個民間的就不比啦,我們比其他的,核庫、第一金控、華南等等他每個月都相對有提撥啊,來鼓勵員工來認股所以署長,你是不是來說明一下 |
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我們在省那麼大的錢啊結果最基本最基本主席長你也應該了解一下這全部都是同工不同酬造成好的人才留不住為什麼伙食會一個月才750塊說明一下吧 |
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跟委員報告因為台銀、土銀跟輸出銀行是百分之百的國營銀行那另外您剛剛提到合庫、兆豐它是民營的公股銀行所以兩大類的這銀行的那個本質是不太一樣 |
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那因為國營事業它是屬於單一興奉制所以它的一些相關的那些剛剛說的那個餐飲那個 |
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請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院 |
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請問你,一個月的伙食才750塊,你現在吃個便當要多少錢?不好意思,因為他就是單一興奉,所以這伙食費700塊也不是說真的就是補助他的,不是說要補足他的伙食費,那伙食費的部分其實就是都含在薪資裡面的。 |
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那這個部分的話,我們未來再跟人事、行政院人事、行政總署再溝通一下。你們好好檢討一下,你看今天這個都是4千多億,那些員工心裡是做何感想?臺營多少的員工?土營多少員工?加一加上萬人耶。 |
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是6千、8千加上5千這個影響非常的大你們應該好好來做一個合理性的調整好不好好 我們來認真檢討一下那另外一個就是經濟部這邊好 委員好麻煩一下我們地方啊到現在目前為止還有多少地方沒有自來水可以喝你知道嗎 |
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本席來自新店深坑石碇坪林屋來跟委員報告,全國的自來水補給率大概95%我們希望每年透過這個前瞻預算,我們希望每年能夠增加那你這次有沒有增加?這次有沒有增加?有,我們希望這次的預算能夠也投入到一些屋自來水來,請賴署長好不好? |
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跟委員說明,除了簽簽之外,行政院剛剛在這個禮拜就核定了自來水改善的5期的計畫,大概有106億元左右。好,那別的地方我不管。清電深坑、石碇、坪林汙來,我們這一區你編入了多少,可以解決多少沒有自來水喝的問題? |
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我們全期希望全國改善6萬戶但是因為它是一個評比機制那這一次跟過往的計畫不一樣是因為我們隨著我們改善的戶數越來越高本來每一戶的成本只要超過60萬就不可能核定但現在的話超過60萬到80萬裡面我們都可以來解決用水最基本的民生問題啊你如果說比較偏遠的地區那你還有你的說法問題新店 |
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離台北101不到20分鐘,你說離市區那麼近的地方沒有自來水可以喝,這樣合理嗎? |
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委員你知道有一些案子我們希望跟社區來溝通因為譬如說彈梅里那個地方它需要5個加壓站那中間的加壓站社區都同意了最下面的社區不同意這個我們需要跟市政府一起來努力當然委員也一直知道我們很多多多來努力你做不到的地方你趕快跟我們說你唯一要做的就是趕快出錢 |
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其他地方的溝通事項,我們來努力。前瞻前瞻,希望這些很辛苦可憐的人可以真的被瞻到,而不是遙望不可及的美夢。讓美夢成真,行不行?今年要做了。 |
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請政政前委員 |
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謝主席,我想請教交通部、經濟部還有衛福部交通部吳次長、經濟部何次長衛福部周次長 |
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但是首先我想先請教一下交通部因為我們前瞻5期這個部分因為前瞻1、前瞻2、前瞻3、前瞻4其實裡面都有一個跟新竹市有關的就是輕軌計畫那輕軌計畫其實目前坦白來說這麼多年其實都還沒有往前走 |
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目前最新的狀態是新竹市已經跟新竹縣整合好,然後也跟園區管理局簽了MOU我們現在決定要由新竹市政府來做大新竹輕軌的整合可行性研究報告所需的經費,我想請問一下部長,這個部分可不可以給新竹市政府多一點的預算來重新針對大新竹輕軌的一個規劃 |
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現在這部分我們其實是已經有補助他現在是有新竹市政府就是跟那個代表跟那個新竹縣政府一起補助多少?現在新竹 |
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部長,你現在如果沒有數字的時候我想請你這邊的時候能夠具體滿足地方政府的一個要求因為前瞻8800億裡面其實本來有300多億其實在用在新竹市大新竹輕軌可是都沒有用,都沒有用那麼我們現在希望有一個好的一個規劃一個部分那如果說需要1000萬、2000萬的部分我想請教一下這個市長這邊是不是可以支持 |
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市長,接下來請經濟部 |
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我想在水域發展計畫當中前瞻裡面有一個部分是水域發展計畫裡面在講到要如何滿足地方上的用水我看到這邊的時候我們看到一個數字說到125年的時候大概每天會有67.59萬噸的缺水 |
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其中有18.5萬噸是在新竹市缺的部分那我想針對這個部分的時候我們目前有哪些計畫要來解決新竹市的缺水的一個問題跟委員報告這是比較舊的一個資料那目前我們的盤點結果每一個區域我們都是有還有一些供水的一個餘裕量所以這個資料我們在提供給委員那有些新的資料會有一些 |
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新竹新竹新竹 |
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〈中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案゚〉 |
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除了對於單位面積的用水量之外我們對於各個行業別即便說是半導體的產業我們都有各個行業別的單位面積的供水的評估當然也有先進製程的評估事實上現階段新竹的漁域的水量供給就是遠遠大於需求超過10萬噸左右 |
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現在有餘裕10萬噸每天?如果這樣的話就不用做海濫廠了啊 |
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還是你把海淡廠也算進去?如果現在每天有10萬噸的餘裕的時候我們還要蓋海淡廠幹什麼?那新竹未來持續會發展啊所以你說現在我們每天就有餘裕10萬噸的水你把資料給我因為如果這樣的話我們新竹市海淡廠不用蓋因為現在海淡廠在蓋的時候坦白說地方也有很多不同的雜音因為跟地方的溝通其實不是很成熟所以也有很多地方的人士在反彈 |
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針對這個部分的時候我們水利署這邊有沒有具體的做法第一個我們針對於海放的部分包括取水的部分我們會確實依照環評的要求除此之外對於沿線的管路的這個開挖的部分我們跟市政府已經做好合作那至於說對於漁民的這個部分對於海域的這個保育我們也跟漁民做相對的溝通所以我們在海淡廠的這個工程的計畫包括 |
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主席主席主席主席 |
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中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案 |
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主要是由縣市提報出來,如果提報比較低的時候,我們會再去跟他們了解一下。針對這部分,新竹只有兩家,是不是還有其他家有在申請?目前在申請是不是還可以爭取後續的部分? |
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王一鳴委員 |
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交通部務次長 |
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市長好,市長我今天要問你是有關於嘉義縣市鐵路高架化的這個延伸計畫那目前在前瞻裡面呢總金額它是173.48億到113年7月底為止它的分配數是1.55億執行0.55億執行率是35.48%那為什麼這個執行率現在只有3乘5 |
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剛剛講的是那個我們的延伸就是延伸民雄這部分嗎?對它前面大概招標有點delay啦那後面大概我們可以掌握到明年可以主理標的開工因為這一個整個計畫是2028年要全面完工喔?對那目前你這個進度看起來是落後的你可以2028順利完工嗎?可以,沒問題打包票齁?是 |
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好,那另外一個我要問的就是除了民雄這段的高價化之外通往嘉義市然後再往下走的水上水上這一段其實它也需要鐵路高價化但是呢之前好幾次都被你們交通部打回票但是李孟彥部長呢他在8月份的時候有到現場去看過 |
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那他當場開會的時候他要允諾要重啟這個高價化的評估方案我上次也問過了這個我們現在的部長陳部長那他又允諾回去要討論那目前這個案子你們的進度怎麼樣 |
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現在我們所了解因為這部分是要由現在縣政府要提出來的有縣長也說他要提出來對,這部分我們會來協助他好,那這個部分因為他涉及到重啟評估的這個費用還蠻高的這個部分是不是交通部你們在前瞻的預算裡面也可以著於補助 |
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我跟委員報告因為過去他大平台也好這個大概都有補助過不過我想我們對我們的權利來支持啦我們會討論一下我希望這個次長你這一部分來協助因為嘉義縣是財政困難的縣市但是他現在有遇到一個契機就是台積電要進駐所以他整個的發展是起飛的包括人口我相信未來也會成長所以在交通方面的需求很大你們陳部長上個禮拜到這個嘉義市 |
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主席主席主席 |
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周市長,你們前瞻裡面衛福部的整個長照計畫執行率不好看你自己應該看到這個數字,平均下來大概只有五成為什麼執行率那麼差?特別是像社家署有3900萬的預算,其實才花了200多萬 |
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主要有一些的工程修繕或者是建設的這部分的話那因為說在這裡面的這裡面的成本不斷的增加所以有時候會流標 |
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〈中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案), |
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響鐘響鐘 |
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但是顯然你們現在補助給地方政府還有地方政府自己編列的預算執行下來其實是不夠用的就服務的量能其實是不足的那這一塊我覺得有改善的空間你們目前編在前瞻這邊的預算通通都是硬體還是有一部分可以拿來譬如說添購車輛這個算不算是你們可以去提供的 |
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跟委員報告一下這部分如果有經常人的預算的部分我們來處理那如果沒有的話我們尋求其他的財源來提供民眾這部分的需求好,我要跟你講的是嘉義縣他現在老年人口比例老化的程度是全國第一名了是 |
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就是它將近快23%了所以它的確它的那個服務量能需求非常的高但是嘉義縣財政是列在第5級又是一個財政比較困難的一個縣市所以這個部分我希望這個衛福部回去之後你們調整一下就是主動去關心一下嘉義縣他們這個長照看起來這個量能是不夠的交通方面因為它有18個鄉鎮市所以它幅員非常大那交通的部分我希望在交通車方面這個服務量能 |
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這個我相信衛福部一定有資源我們全力來協助嘉義縣改善他們偏鄉這個長照交通量能不足的問題好不好這部分我們會來特別關心他們好 謝謝市長 謝謝謝謝王一鳴委員好 接下來我們請陳玉珍委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 有請速發部黃部長跟農業部好 我們請速發部跟農業部上台 |
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部長,你們速發布113年補助中華電信到今年第3季為止補助了中華電信及它的網路技術分公司23億多萬我想請問你記不記得在今年5月份的時候有電視台的名嘴在電視上公開說他們發現 |
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按照手機訊號分析指出他們發現在青島東路的這個小草跟在凱達格蘭大道的這個民眾還有跟那時候在這個青鳥在這個立法院外面那些青鳥按照訊號的比對是不同的人你記得有這段嗎?你記得這件事情嗎?記得嗎?你要說上面的齁 |
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那時候就爆發了這個政府應該說電信公司用手機監控民眾的疑慮那時候速發部曾經說技術上的確可能應用手機訊號分析用戶的個人資料 |
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但是呢這個需要兩個資料就是一個基地台的服務的用戶號碼還有電信事業客戶資料庫用來分析特定區域用戶來但是一般民眾呢拿到這兩同時拿到這兩個一般的民眾跟一般的公司同時拿到這些資料的可能性極低對不對這是你們那時候的回覆對不對 |
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對,需要有法律的依均,這個是在各自保護裡面,所以辦案是,這是在各自保護裡頭嘛,但是有名嘴公開在電視講說有這樣的事情那我請問啦,蘇發部,你們一年補助這麼多預算,好像補助電信的三大業者齁但是呢,你們任由他們來監控人民齁,那後來認為怎麼樣?中央第一說沒有,他們沒有監控人民對不對?他們就有說他們沒有這樣做對不對? |
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報告委員我們補助主要是補助像5G的建設對我知道我知道我知道嘛我們政府當然是補助各個5G建設基地各方面偏鄉我知道這些我都知道齁這個等一下我來問你但是呢你們在補助這些業者的同時你們看他們在做這些監督監控民眾手機訊號信息有做出調查嗎 |
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報導委員通信監察是NCC在主管 |
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你們奉勸這些業者一方面領我們的錢是來自國家領我們國家的錢同時來監控人民我們補助是基地站不是在後面的基地我知道你們補助基地站就是我下台所以我要說這個事情的發生是很嚴重的事情我希望你們趕快也給我一個報告你們知道的部分因為你們給人家錢嘛我懷疑他們會不會就是用你們補助的錢從中謀用去啊也有可能啊對不對 |
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一個禮拜內給我報告這個事件的報告那當然你們的這個補助你說這個偏鄉地區的這個部分你看請問你們有沒有補助我們今天的政法電信 |
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平鄉的補助就是在我們這個是對一般有沒有補助金門金門算是偏遠地區嗎金門應該金門有有嘛但是我們金門的民眾抱怨很多抱怨很多我這裡有很多資料給你沒有訊號啦什麼卡卡的啊什麼非常多常常斷訊啊報告委員我們在今年的前瞻還會再加強還會再加強這個部分我要給我一個檢討民眾的反應非常的多我請問農業 |
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一個禮拜給我報告好謝謝農業部委員好農業部我想請問你我們金門有一個養牛場驗出一個牛節節診對不對對8月30號所以8月30號我知道所以你們就宣布為了確保整體產業安全公告暫停金門縣的牛隻生鮮冷凍冷藏牛肉運往台灣台灣島運往台灣島 |
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報告委員 沒錯吧不是我們8月30號之後宣布目前在8月30號之前一直都不能讓它進來因為WOAH就是世界動物組織把台灣澎湖跟馬祖是我們是不施打疫苗的我知道昨天部長有跟我講反正我們金門跟你不同國我知道台灣金門馬祖跟你一國金門的這個施打疫苗沒有落實我先問你一件事情 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函 |
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為什麼?日本?什麼意思?WOH是這樣規定的,那叫做骨骼肌,骨骼肌本來就是可以進來,因為日本也是沒有打。日本也是牛結節診陽性,我們也是牛結節診陽性。沒有錯,可是他們也是WOH宣布的跟我們台灣、澎湖跟馬來西亞一樣的。所以是WOH告訴你說日本可以進來台灣,然後我們基本不能進來台灣喔? |
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中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫 |
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中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期 |
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一國兩制喔?不是一國兩制是因為金門沒有落實施打疫苗所以它到現在抗體不足所以我們怕它的不管是我們的這個口蹄疫或是鳥結節症會影響到台灣我們好不容易已經變成清靜我告訴你你們給我回答也不只是這樣子你們還說因為我們跟中國大陸距離很近 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審議 |
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我希望你是不是還要提出 |
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還是還是提出還是提出這種就是有沒有什麼方式防疫的部分來幫助金門因為我們你說我們跟大陸很近這也不是我的願意這個地理位置就在那裡所以除了撲殺消毒打疫苗還有跟我們一些提出一些對策好嗎對這個部分請你們協助可以多多支持 |
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接下來我們請葛如君委員質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席 有請速發部部長跟警政署副署長備詢黃副 副署長換一個 陳副署長 |
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社群平台臉書11月15日深夜下架很多無辜的正版的財經網紅的粉絲專頁截至昨天為止我們目前都還沒有辦法知道真相速發部案警政署某種程度各說各話那有很多人民眾在批評這些提供服務的平台在這個平台上面罵平台但沒有關係總之有民眾受害了有網紅受害了 |
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蘇發部黃部長、警政署詹副署長兩位是不是能夠先向無辜受害的民眾表示歉意?我們對這事情覺得不應該讓它發生因為這個是據我們兩邊的了解我們去調查結果是臉書在作業的時候他們內部的錯誤造成的 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審議 |
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副主長,我待會兒有機會讓您說明,你有沒有要表達歉意啊?我待會兒還會問啊。這個正如剛剛部長說的,這是META它本身內部篩選基礎的根基。兩位真的是要面對啦,我想至少部長要表達遺憾,但是我想請問我國廣告平台業務跟平台經濟的主管機關是哪一個部會? |
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廣告平台業務、數位經濟、平台經濟我們就是負責那幾個廣告平台的打詐工程下架、下對、下錯不是打詐了一碗嗎?你們的網詐通查網裡面就有提供下架通報的服務嗎? |
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法定人數不足 |
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不只是廣告啦第一你們有下架粉專啦這個網路上都有訊息我的部落格都可以傳給你看平台經濟也是屬於你們所以呢這次警政署聯繫Meta因為現在網路上有訊息嘛通知說這個有用戶收到這個就恢復了以後臉書傳給他的訊息是說警政署刑事調查局的法律要求 |
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警政署有沒有聯繫META?是直接聯繫還是透過主管機關聯繫?報告委員,我想我們警政署是有提供一些涉及詐騙的粉絲專業請問所以有聯繫嗎?你們是直接聯繫還是透過主管機關聯繫?有沒有自衛速發部?我們警政署本身跟META有一個聯繫的機制 |
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但是這次下架不在我們通報的名單裡你看很好玩啦現在警政署也說這個名單跟我們無關速發部也說跟名單無關然後你們每一個部會都要自己來聯繫Meta如果我是平台業者我到底要如何處理呢我想這個速發部部長您也理解嘛這種上下架的這種事情平台業者收到了可能還要跟你們double check要雙項查核甚至三項查核嘛 |
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不能這樣子訊息過去就直接下架這一次把正版粉專下架不管你是要推脫責任、表達遺憾還是道歉了事都可以但政府還是要負起責任請問這一次警政署或者是之前警政署你們這一次的粉專跟你們無關那為什麼有這樣的一個訊息呢?這個訊息是造假的嗎?是深偽嗎?是駭客入侵嗎?警政署要不要調查?有沒有人冒用你們的名字? |
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當然如果有犯罪先例我們警政署都會請教這已經不是如果啦網紅截圖啊他被下架之後收到這個通知啊 |
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你們有沒有反應?這不是如果啊!這不是如果!這個我們有跟Meta聯絡Meta是他們他回應什麼?就是他下下不是我們通報的資料那這Meta他們夠力以後是他們篩選我現在不好意思副署長我問的是這個訊息真訊息、假訊息、偽造訊息還是駭客入侵?要不要調查?這不是如果啊!已經發生啦! |
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| transcript.whisperx[1076].text |
二、審查行政院函請審議 |
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29212.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].text |
訴發部應該要肩負起訴政府部會跟平台業者溝通協調的責任所有部會其實也不只是警政署其實還有其他部會包含可能像經管會還有更多的部會其實都在跟這些平台業者聯繫那平台業者要如何查核你3個部會來3個名單4個部會來4個名單也有可能會讓他搞錯 |
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他搞錯當然他要負責但是我們政府不用負責有一個完整的溝通管道嗎?出發部部長能不能有一個統合的一個機制去扮演業者跟政府之間的這種溝通的角色我們可以包含那個委員我們有個打炸的指揮中心那打炸指揮中心的那個就是有那個來總統一來做部會之間的協調所以以後這種東西我們會協調 |
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那中心的負責應該是?打造指揮中心是由院長主持現在踢到院長這邊去那所以院長要出來負責喔?不是,我是指揮中心是由院長主持那當然我們有其他的部會在裡面一起來協調速發部是主管平台業者尤其是這些平台經濟、數位廣告 |
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我希望您可以在此承諾啦,未來如果有必要要封鎖帳號,希望各部會應該要有一個通盤的一個單一的這種聯繫,或者要在頁面上清楚標示,到底是哪個部會因為什麼原因要封鎖帳號,同時也應該要續名就記的管道,讓民眾有申訴的機會,政府內部也要有完整的記錄可供查詢,封鎖哪個帳號,什麼時候封鎖,為什麼要封鎖,內部可以記錄,你可以去識別化,但是應該要可以回溯可以查詢, |
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不然一件事情幾十個粉磚連政交所自己的粉磚都受害沒有人知道是誰的問題各說各話我們會協調那我們在內部會把這個效果做得更好最後不好意思主席再請財政部副會主宋署長下下不好意思 |
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29330.831 |
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因為近期你們最近有宣布說要來課稅所以整個產業為之嘩然關於虛擬貨幣我想虛擬貨幣是一個新興的產業在之前你們才講了這就是你們想要做的事情 |
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結果你們之前2024年3月20號才說比特幣沒有內在價值結果現在川普上任了比特幣大漲了破新高昨天晚上9萬4千美金你們現在就跑出來說要課稅了說它有價值了 |
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這個做法對不對啊?您對於這個政府這樣的一個做法,你們同意嗎?我想啦,這個我想我節省一點時間,先告訴您喔,處長就我們所知啊,其實全世界各國,包含泰國,包含阿聯酋,包含瑞士,都有租稅優惠我們要有棍子跟蘿蔔,不要看到新興產業,就想棒打它兩下然後呢,看到有錢可以拿,就趕快來收錢,等到暴跌的時候又不管它 |
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這個產業的振興跟我們的這種跟我們的這個民眾的這個不管是課稅也好這做法要並行啊不是不可以課稅但是要做到產業的鼓勵這個部分能不能請署長回去了解一下 |
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29426.062 |
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我跟委員報告其實所謂虛擬通貨的部分如果它真的是貨幣的話基本上是沒有課稅的問題但是目前在台灣把虛擬貨幣的部分是定位成數位商品數位商品就是屬於一般的商品它的交易所得本來它的交易本來就有1、2稅的問題另外交易所得也會有所得稅的問題其實我們從頭到尾都是根據主管機關的相關法律來做相關的課稅規範我們並沒有改變過 |
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好,我想齁,這個,你沒有改變過,你有改變啦齁,3月的時候你們說它沒有價值啦齁,沒關係,我想未來所有的政策推行之前希望做好社會溝通,三思而後行好不好,謝謝,謝謝主席。謝謝葛羅軍委員。接著我們請邱志偉委員。 |
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主席你好我先講一下心裡面的話我先講一下心裡面的話我們兩個都是召委我在經濟委員會你在財政委員會我做召委對於發言時間管控我以身作則分秒不差時間到我一定停止質詢現在講就開始算時間了嗎沒 等一下嘛我覺得遵守發言質詢時間是一個國務院基本的素質 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
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29518.134 |
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29542.989 |
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好,還有嗎?我們尊重每位委員的發言我4分鐘,一定是很準時第一個問題請國發會,是國發會哪位?國發會,詹副主委喔還有呢?我沒有說還有,就國發會而已啊好,國發會喔,謝謝不過我一起叫比較快我一定很準時,分秒不差我做給你看剛剛要扣1分鐘嗎? |
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29547.892 |
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29564.966 |
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這個國發會對前期的這個前瞻計畫第三期進度有落後第四期的執行率也沒有達到很好的情況這部分我希望說國發會你做一個主管做一個控管你相關計畫的執行你要跟各部會去協調 |
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第二問題來交通部交通部就是五次長喔 |
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市長,這個前瞻的經費在過去8年的軌道建設大概負擔了40%38%左右那未來還有很多的軌道建設需要很多經費 |
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29626.354 |
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你如果按照一般的這個年度的預算各部分的預算沒有辦法去適應這些龐大的這個軌道建設所以我期待是不是你可以續推所謂3.0或者類前瞻的計畫來針對未來要執行的重大軌道建設讓這個預算能夠得到這個確實 |
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不然你很多計畫提出來你用年度預算是沒有辦法支應的先是政府的財源有限一定要內前瞻計畫或者前瞻3.0您的看法如何?跟委員報告我想前瞻建設計畫裡面包括不只有軌道那這部分其實我覺得應該不是只有江部可以去做決定我們大概會配合我是針對軌道建設的部分啦對,但是這裡面剛講的 |
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前瞻的部分就不只是只有軌道的部分包括其他的我說的是關於前瞻裡面軌道建設的部分後面有很多新興計畫你如果這個前瞻計畫的裡面軌道建設沒有後續的經費來源那你很難去去完成後續的計畫這個我希望說你再去跟陳部長再好好討論一下這個我在交通委員會我也質詢過了另外凱米颱風啊 |
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造成輪船擱淺有5個船惡意棄之交通部是先墊前後追討這個部分你們怎麼處理這個應該沒問題我們後面剛剛講的一開始當然找船東嘛那包括那個保險公司那如果沒有就由我們來處理那這部分我們跟他追查好這個部分提出這個問題讓你們去注意好最後一個問題請文化部 |
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請文化部李部長部長你邊走我邊講 |
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文化資產這個修復這個各縣市都有這個預算需求但是每年的預算有限所以每年的案各縣市都有這個需求當然預算那麼的少我希望說你在明年度的計畫能夠多撥補一些滿足這些這個文化資產修復預算的這些預算缺口 |
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羅廷偉委員 |
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你們都欠台中市一千多億啊 |
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29819.786 |
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前瞻預算補高雄1200多億台中市拿到了228億今天我要來討個公道我從上任至今不斷地在關心水環境清水建設前瞻預算我要問一下次長您知道我關心哪個區塊嗎有所耳聞嗎還是要別人救你 |
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就是上次去那個會刊的那一條我們不只會刊過總諮詢的時候經濟組我也講過漢溪還有柳川四期我們先看一下城市因河流而偉大而我們現在看到編列的前瞻預算我要請問一下在這一次不管是水與安全相關的水建設請問一下次長在這一次我們台中漢溪有沒有去列入到相關的前瞻建設預算 |
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29878.929 |
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我們在第5期預算就是這一次的預算我們會把它列進來確定柳川你旁邊那一位確定喔會啟動我們會再來啟動這個就是一個評估的一個差很多啊你剛剛跟我講說會列入現在跟我講說會評估 |
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29908.169 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].text |
市長講清楚說明白因為我們是希望就是說地方政府這邊能夠來提出來之後我們這邊再來做審查是地方現在柳川3期已經完成了柳川4期有提出計畫那我想問一下柳川4期有沒有前瞻預算有沒有編列柳川4期要繼續做建設好 |
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你剛剛說地方政府要提出計畫嗎?因為這個預算事實上是有限我們是一個全國性競爭的計畫所以我們也會考量到各個地方政府所提出來的計畫的急迫性所以剛剛你跟我講說地方政府要提出計畫,提了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].start |
29930.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].end |
29934.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].start |
29950.145 |
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韓西的話應該是原來是市府啦市府管轄不要說原來現在現在的話就是我們這個水利署這邊可以來對啊所以如果現在漢西呢漢西本來就是你們自己提計畫自己去做建設啊怎麼會跟市政府有關呢 |
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所以我希望次長我已經多次提出找你們的國會聯絡人也一直表明了我對於水環境我非常積極尤其漢溪在我選區的東區柳川現在來到了南區一期、二期、三期做得很好四期市政府也提出了計畫我呼籲經濟部應該要關注台中市的前瞻預算拿到的分配比例已經少於很多縣市了 |
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29998.197 |
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30019.758 |
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可不可以多關注一下台中?市長你可以給我承諾嗎?可以,我們跟台中市政府這邊再來做討論柳川市期我可以麻煩你跟市政府討論市政府提出計畫你可以去輔導沒關係但旱溪我希望你們能夠主動提出計畫主動去協助旱溪來做整治這個部分您做得到嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].start |
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30043.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].text |
我們再來做研究幾個月可以給我回應等預算通過之後我們是不是三個月之內給上次我們還辦了一次會刊你也知道啦當時有承諾我們三至五百萬說要告訴我們要去做一些相關的部署去做規劃請問做了嗎那個漢西的部分 |
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30051.471 |
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市長,我要跟你講,河川局要稍微注意一下。我們當天所做的承諾將副院長也在現場。大家都劃壓了準備等待你們的預算到位了。結果呢,最近我們接到通知說沒錢了。 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].start |
30071.929 |
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30096.234 |
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答應我們的事情突然說沒有要等明年那你當下答應什麼所以我們很納悶嘛為什麼承諾的預算已經要到位的預算要逐步發包去施行的預算突如其來告訴我沒有了那你為什麼要承諾江副院長也在呢那不是讓我們都丟臉嗎我還是要呼籲啊次長我很關注 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].start |
30097.321 |
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30103.784 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].start |
30123.783 |
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30131.077 |
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一個報告,我不要報告,我要建設,我要看到的建設。好,我們希望能夠來支持。是。好,謝謝趙委員。好,謝謝謝偉。謝謝劉廷偉委員。 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].start |
30136.482 |
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30156.081 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].text |
我們這個剩下登記發言委員大概還剩18位那其中已經有一些委員提出書面質詢所以我們今天本來是開到5點半我們就讓所有的這個委員詢答完畢以後我們再這個休息那如果今天詢答完畢明天就可以今天就可以上會就明天就不用過來接著我們請盧縣議委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].start |
30164.961 |
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30169.425 |
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主席,我請原民會、經濟部、內政部、經濟部何市長、內政部董事長主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].start |
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30186.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].start |
30203.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].end |
30213.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].text |
不論營造是2億4千6百萬這是沒有什麼大問題不過我們比較多的編載原住民族多元產業發展2.0這個部分它的5年計畫的成果報告並沒有如實的呈現 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].start |
30221.789 |
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30233.131 |
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也就是說113年你預期增加原住民的收入是3萬1千塊然後有55萬人來增加消費那確實有這樣的一個成果嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].start |
30234.261 |
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30254.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].text |
我跟委員報告我們這個產業2.0是從114年才開始所以它的機會會比部落營造多一點因為也是最後一期我希望主委能夠去研究一下確實有沒有達到這個效果 |
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30255.68 |
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30266.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].text |
因為這個請比剛才所謂的部落營造多了一倍可是它這個成果如果說你沒有這個三萬一千塊的話你要怎麼辦?你要怎麼改進? |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].start |
30268.885 |
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30293.855 |
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我們會檢討啦,我們會檢討,我們看這個希望今年做下去,讓我們的這個事後之變...你的意思是說我們看不出這個計畫的相關效益跟具體成果所以希望我們一周內能夠看到你的成果報告好不好?好下一個就是原民會這邊還有一個我們剛才就針對那個計畫你的專案辦公室的專案成員是誰?得標執行的公司是誰?考核機制是什麼?你可以簡單的告訴我嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].start |
30297.243 |
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30297.603 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].text |
中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫 |
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30335.856 |
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其中期末的報告,然後我們也希望它像一些比較大的這個...那我們所有原住民的立委可以拿到你的所謂的檢討報告嗎?可以。OK,那我等喔。接下來就是我們還有8400萬的那個加速推動低幫創生計畫在明年沒有看到你們的編列,那你們要怎麼來繼續推動我們的創生計畫? |
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| transcript.whisperx[1126].text |
主席 |
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30346.089 |
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30367.448 |
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政經部關於我們原住民地區地熱的部分我們漁、花、冬都有地熱不過我希望有一個叫做原住民地區參與再生能源設置補助作業要點這個部分希望我們原住民是主體廠商只是合作的一個角色希望這個作業要點能夠再通盤檢討好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].start |
30368.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].end |
30371.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].text |
二、審查行政院函請審議:「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案 »: |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].start |
30394.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].end |
30399.849 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].text |
微型電網內政部臺東延平鄉代表會目前已經建物43年提出很多次修建或改建計畫希望內政部能夠支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].start |
30417.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].end |
30417.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].text |
吳春晨委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].start |
30451.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].end |
30468.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].text |
請國發會副主委還有其他的也一起上來吧今天前瞻預算是國發會的主管業務主委又沒來所以是不是其他的一起上來吧有預算的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].start |
30470.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].end |
30472.966 |
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我們前瞻預算建設預算8400億要花完了嘛 對不對那我要請問我們前瞻了嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].start |
30500.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].end |
30526.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].text |
聽了一整天,大家感覺都還是錢不夠、人不夠、什麼都不夠。這個到底要多少錢?這是一個潮流嗎?政府越來越臃腫、越來越肥大,後來很多需要的都被自己吃掉。真正國家的發展目標達到了嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].start |
30528.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].end |
30537.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].text |
最近川普宣布要成立政府效率部,有馬斯克他還號稱要把428個聯邦機構砍到剩下99個,消減率達到77%那我們呢?我們還要再更多嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].start |
30549.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].end |
30568.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].text |
這個方向應該要值得國發會好好研究一下你們是負責國家發展的方向如果國家發展方向完全沒有策略就是這樣子沒完沒了的那國發會大概可以廢掉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].start |
30570.276 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].end |
30597.203 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].text |
最重要的事情未來30年就是這件事情國發會最了解你們10月17號也宣布公布了公布台灣未來人口要減少將近1000萬人50年各部會看見了嗎?我們的人口從金字塔變成到金字塔叫天翻地覆在整個的前瞻前瞻不是要看這個事情嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].start |
30598.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].end |
30609.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].text |
整個前瞻計畫裡面幾乎沒有看到這個東西沒有人在為這個國家未來發展的方向在做準備都還在混在眼前 眼前都不夠用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].start |
30612.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].end |
30626.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].text |
這件事情會衝擊台灣所謂的四大衝擊教育的衝擊教育的大學生未來會剩下目前的三分之一教育部有沒有在準備國防的衝擊減少這樣剩下30%我們的兵力社福的衝擊達到56%經濟的衝擊幾乎全面性的衝擊我在這些預算當中都沒有看到這些東西 |
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30638.166 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].end |
30655.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].text |
閉著眼睛還有跟鄉鎮有關的提了一大堆的地方建設預測全台有三分之的鄉鎮會被消滅我不曉得前瞻計畫跟這些事情有什麼關係好像大家都沒看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].start |
30658.012 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].end |
30667.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].text |
倒數42天,台灣進入超高齡社會。各部會有關於超高齡社會的相關前瞻計畫嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].start |
30672.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].end |
30686.917 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].text |
從這些目前又提出來的這個第5期的計畫裡面我請問這個國發會自行評估一下這5期的前瞻基礎建設計畫有達成原先對未來國家發展的設定目標嗎?請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].start |
30688.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].end |
30711.091 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].text |
是,謝謝委員。那個我想前瞻計畫推動這些年來,其實它對於提升國人的生活品質,還有均衡台灣,譬如說一些偏鄉的照顧,還有我們一些經濟建設,譬如說有關半導體的研究,這個引進國際廠商等等,其實在這方面都有一些具體的成果。委員剛剛提到...等一下,OK,那我請問你給這個前瞻計畫打幾分? |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].start |
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30714.726 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].start |
30739.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].end |
30739.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].text |
韓國瑜議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].start |
30760.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].end |
30773.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].text |
禁制塔社會的思維在想這件事情這就是國家的災難整個國家的災難在這裡所有的部會完全沒有在看這件事情因為我的時間有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].start |
30775.367 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].end |
30793.715 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].text |
好 有些部會都已經在響應我在倡討的壯世代這個就是最近諮詢業剛結束我在這裡但是沒時間請各位上台蘇發部蘇發部做了一個壯世代董資樂園出現了壯世代的人潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].start |
30794.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].end |
30798.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].start |
30822.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].end |
30825.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].start |
30842.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].end |
30843.979 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].text |
二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].start |
30864.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].end |
30890.669 |
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不要把這當作一種自為末節所以如果今年明年2025年台灣進入超高齡社會請問我們的行政院有給這樣做一個什麼回應有回應告訴我們國人進入超高齡社會我們要做什麼所以請各部會在這一次第5期的一個前瞻預算當中要把這個部分納入你的這個預算的編列裡面以上 |
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黃珊珊委員 |
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主席、財政部國庫署署長、內政部次長、工程會陳主委、消防署署長 |
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主席長還有各位官員我想今天前瞻基礎建設其實是所謂的計畫性補助款主席長對吧 |
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前瞻是不是所謂的計畫性補助款?不是特別預算的特別補助款中央補助地方政府很多的費用包括公有建築物的耐震改善重鋪道路、新建停車場、捷運建設、環境治水還有觀光建設內政部次長我想請問一下依照地方制度法你剛剛聽到的這些項目是不是地方制度法裡面地方自治的事項?有一些是大部分是 |
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公有建築物的內政改善絕對不會是中央鷹館的事項嗎?所以前瞻計畫裡面所有幾乎都是地方政府應該做的事但是地方自治事項為什麼要中央來不住?因為地方沒有錢 |
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有些事情是基於公共利益以及為了保障人民生命財產安全所以中央可以代行之所以我的理解也就是說地方政府本來就該做的事但是地方政府沒有錢所以中央很好心還去借錢借了8400億的前瞻預算來給地方政府補助這個前瞻預算到現在為止有沒有違反所謂的事權分配原則 |
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內政部你是地方自治的主管機關要跟委員報告根據憲法的說明本來地方唯有辦法執行事務中央可以代替協助而且最重要的事情是我們的目的是為了保障人民生命財產的安全尤其是像內政補強這部分本來我們就應該要協助我都知道但是可以在地方來主席講這中間就是很簡單嘛 |
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我國的財政收支出了問題地方政府財源不足財政困難所以該做的事情由中央來補助就像剛剛次長所說的第一建築物補強竟然要中央補助重鋪道路要地方補助新建停車場要地方補助 |
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這就是回到我們現在財政委員會要修的財政收支劃分法財政劃分法裡面讓所有的地方政府都財源不足所以對中央政府必須要為起聯展現中央的權威來由中央來分配相關的預算今天的前瞻預算就是最好的例子所以主計長 |
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我們在這裡已經問過很多次了你到底要多少錢是不影響中央正式運作又可以下放給地方的從這個前瞻預算就看得很清楚有這麼多錢其實本來就是地方該有的但是我們中央把錢全都掌握在手裡今天的前瞻預算就是最好的例子主席長你到底算出來中央政府到底可以釋放多少垂直分配給地方政府了嗎你已經算了好幾個月了 |
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財政部負責財政部負責 |
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還有工程會的陳主委內政部的消防署署長我想請問一下避震跟海嘯的預警對你們的救災來說是不是很重要消防署 |
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地震跟海嘯是我們事先要來處理的因為火災、損失跟躲避海嘯都是消防署必須要做處理的現在交通部有一個交通部氣象署有一個海嵐建制計畫交通部次長請上台次長這個計畫多久了?從110年交商到現在你知道嗎? |
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110年招標到現在留標了10次由氣象署的地震中心他們已經招標了10次都留標而且從原來的預算25億要做800公里6個觀測站一直修正到只做200公里3個觀測站經費從25億暴增到27億到今天為止還沒有標出去剛講 |
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地震很重要、預警很重要、交通部這個案子這個海嵐線重不重要?市長你什麼都不知道是嗎?不是,我跟委員報告,那個剛講的,因為這個廠商相對廠商的專業性的部分比較少啦。是!那流標,然後大概會比較多。你110年到113年,3年了。第二個,來我今天特別請工程會的陳竺瑞。你知道這個計畫嗎? |
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他從25億800公里的6座觀測站修正到200公里3座的觀測站金額從25億暴增到27億項目變少金額增加這個是減相發包嗎?減相發包是合法的吧?還是不合法?減相發包也是採購法裡面的一種方式所以我想請問一下交通部 |
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檢像發包、修正、修正、再修正十次流標到今天為止如果今年沒有再標出去的話這個案子就要第一年的預算就要被收回了我想問一下中華民國政府對於這座海底的相關的這些電纜線我們的立場是什麼行政院還要不要這個計畫工程會會去協助檢討它的發包方式 |
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所以工程會會協助已經3年多修正了兩次我要跟交通部說了一下因為我們跟地政中心我覺得他們也很可憐啊他們沒有多少人要做這麼大的計畫氣象署總共的預算才26億他要執行這個20他自己的預算才26億他一個單位要執行這麼多的預算然後全世界沒有幾家在做所有的廠商都是拿去做 |
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請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院 |
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交通部是托我們來檢討不是檢討到年底就要最後一次投標沒有投的話你的錢就要第一年的錢就會被註銷了接下去要怎麼辦我想因為剛剛提到的主要是做這個做這個工程的該花的錢要花不該花的錢不要亂花這個重要的事情擺在那邊擺了流標10次是很離譜的事好不好 |
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地震中心很認真但他們做不到交通部、工程會還有甚至我希望今天在座的國科會一起來幫忙甚至這些海底電纜對台灣還有國家安全的影響甚至國防部是不是也要來參加好嗎交通部你可以做到一個月之內把這件事情的來龍去脈搞清楚第二個請工程會協助第三個幫忙地震中心爭取更多的預算不然就是把整個計畫重新做檢討可以嗎 |
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林淑芬、林淑芬、林淑芬、林淑芬委員不在、廖偉祥、廖偉祥、廖偉祥委員不在、林俊憲委員 |
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國土署吳署長 |
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蘇貞昌議員 |
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提早下平面,所以大大降低了國八的運輸效率和能量,所以現在把國八的高價延長,延長到國八去接觸到台江大道,然後呢,當你車子要往台江大道走的時候啊, |
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台南市政府想提出一個計畫就是讓台江大道能夠快速化那怎麼個快速化呢?就是台江大道它接觸到了幾個重要路口 |
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像海淀路、北上海大道、台17路的時候,台江大道我們把它立體化了就是說它不是在平面跟剛才這幾條台17、北上海或海淀路來接觸 |
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二、審查行政院函請審議 |
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這條道路,我不知道國土署的看法呢?應該這麼說啦,因為台江大道它的確第一個它寬度夠寬,所以大家習慣,就變成酒瓶的住宅區、商業區非常少,所以大家習慣越開越快,所以回去就是說車速都走很快,所以比較有車好,變成習慣開快之後,如果車上停車不想走,就衝過去嘛。 |
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所以他可能的做法應該如果不是追求因為全線如果高架快速化的話可能就是比較適合申請快速道路系統但是如果是局部的路口要做高架的話那就可以類似大概是有點像臺中的這個臺灣大道的概念就是說有部分是高架化就部分車道高架化部分車道高架化的做法 |
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那這個就是請市府再送一個評估的報告給我們齁我們再來研議看看它是否適合放入生活圈或其他的計畫裡面我會了解啦,台南市政府根本就是有這個計畫啦是就像我們說的那個局部高架啦是所以應該叫做快速化啦對你說台江大道不是快速道路啦是它是快速化對所以台江大道快速化就是那個我剛才說的那個整個中央路口齁是那個局部高架啦 |
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是,其實它可以從頭到尾,就是對於那個,對於我們檢測區域,起點開始起省,看是不是評估看看,是不是有幾個入口適合是這樣子的。一般政府三個路口啦,台江大道,台江大道到海田路,到白山尾路,到濱海,到17所,這三個所在啦。是。那這三,那這樣的話國土署的話可以,可以提出,提出,可以把它納入你們的計畫嗎? |
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應該這麼說就是他如果評估出來因為最主要是他要能夠符合生活圈的計畫目前的前瞻因為執行期限比較短那其他的部分可能就是列入這一種固定的計畫裡面讓我們再來評估看他適合放到哪一類的計畫去做改善我希望國土署能夠支持這個我們會來協助我們會來合作好感謝署長謝謝主席 |
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蘇緣之委員提出書面質詢徐曉欣不在 鍾嘉斌不在 |
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脈玉珍委員 脈玉珍、脈玉珍、脈玉珍不在。蘇清賢委員提出書面質詢。張家俊委員提出書面質詢。徐欣盈委員 徐欣盈、徐欣盈、徐欣盈不在。黃國昌委員謝謝主席,是不是可以麻煩有請組長。好,陳組長。 |
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委員好主計長好因為我們這個會期是預算會期所以我覺得立法委員在審預算的時候我們要負責任就要清楚地看那個預算書他只是說我最近看這個預算書我是越看越困惑什麼叫越看越困惑我相信這個預算書編列的內容跟方式主計長應該都很熟啦您從地方政府一路到中央政府 |
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旁邊有計畫的用途後面有說明然後說明會更具體的講說這個錢到底要花到什麼地方去嗎但我的問題來我有什麼問題我的問題是我花那麼多的時間在拜讀你們所編出來的預算書啊讓我覺得陷入迷惘我預算書看這麼認真有何意義啊 |
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為什麼我說我預算書看這麼認真有何意義啊?因為我後來發現這根本是作文比賽我為什麼說這是作文比賽?因為我錢沒有花到我在說明的那個用途我後來發現好像也都沒有關係 |
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我為什麼說我看了預算書看了半天以後我發現我在浪費生命看錯文因為後面怎麼寫一點都不重要立法院通過預算以後啊我愛怎麼花就怎麼花後面那些文字啊 |
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我不好意思講是廢話但沒有辦法發揮規範功能那我今天提出了這樣的問題我就一定要舉證嘛其實我今天下午在未還委員會我針對有關於啊這一次發生的不幸事件那位分署長的事情提出質詢的時候我順便就質詢啊他端午節送禮過年送禮 |
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中秋節送禮他可以從救安基金可以從救保基金從一些莫名其妙的預算科目甚至連在做廣告、做媒體的錢他全部都可以挪來買禮品 |
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去做他個人的關係我看了瞠目結舌啊那沒有關係今天勞動部部長答應我兩個禮拜他會做調查報告出來我等到調查報告出來了以後到底是浪費公帑移送法辦還是合法雲芝查汙不法我等到勞動部的調查報告出來以後我會再具體的請教主計長 |
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但我今天要舉證的項目是什麼來看一下我在看這些計畫內容的時候我以前一直在追原民會的主委你哪裡來一百多萬啊去出你個人的寫真集我就去找預算書啊錢哪裡來的啊今天我來請主計長仔細看一下齁他說 |
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我要推動原住民族政策法規內容有三項一個是要收集整理原住民族相關政策施政計畫97萬6第二個項目本會施政方針施政計畫及業務工作報告彙整編5萬 |
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第三個項目推動原住民族政策及法規編室外我想要第一個請教主記長的是他在內容寫這樣的內容這個內容是參考用還是裝飾用還是要限定你就要做這件事情來請教主記長這個主要是針對他的一個業務的一個需求去做一個敘述然後這個整個也配合他的一個計畫所以他花錢要不要受到 |
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這個限制那這個部分就是必須要跟他計畫的內容相關那如果內容不相關呢? |
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內容不相關因為一般我們的預算的用途別他有雲枝的一個相關的規定不好意思你講大聲一點我聽起來有點吃力不過真的不好意思再麻煩主席長因為我們預算用途別也有雲枝的一個相關的規定所以這個部分大概就是如果對我了解雲枝的規定嘛但我給主席長看一下這個雲層什麼樣子我剛說他花145萬出個人寫真集沒有冤枉他啦 |
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有很多人說他已經下台了下台不要追究對不起啊這個觀念我無法接受 |
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他下台了以後之前幹的事情都不用追究那以後大家有樣學樣大家都這樣幹就可以了嘛原民會主委可以出個人寫真集我速發部部長也長得很帥啊我也可以出個人寫真集啊沒有寫在預算書裡面不要擔心我可以找得出錢怎麼找得出錢我秀給主計長看來 |
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結果他說要收集整理原住民相關政策97萬6全部拿去出寫真集本會施政方針5萬也全部拿去推動原住民族政策法規也全部拿去結果寫了三個不同的內容搞了半天花的時候是同一個用途就是幫主委出他個人歌功頌德的東西 |
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結果還不夠 不夠也沒有關係我還有一個新的項目叫做辦理原住民族人口基礎庫規劃及建設研究連要辦理原住民族人口基礎資料庫的規劃及建設研究都可以撥38萬4去幫他出個人的寫真集這就是您剛剛所講的雲芝嘛 |
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來 主席長可不可以告訴我們全體的立法委員我花這麼多時間看預算書到底有何意義我花這麼多時間看預算書有何意義這上面寫的東西我不好意思講是屁話啦 |
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但趨近於廢話如果錢可以這樣花的話我認為我們在審預算書看這些內容毫無意義啊預算過了我愛怎麼花就怎麼花沒有任何的限制所以我想要今天特別請教不要說質詢我不敢質詢我請教你 |
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我請教您是這到底合法還不合法如果搞得這麼誇張都合法那顯然我國的預算制度有重大的問題搞得這麼誇張如果最後的結論是合法請容我這樣講我國的預算制度有重大的問題 |
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掛羊頭賣狗肉嘛先寫作文錢先騙到錢騙到以後我愛怎麼花就怎麼花沒有人管得了我啊來請主計長說明事實上呃這個部分是不是跟計畫原來計畫的用用沒有沒有那個我現在齁在預算書上面看到的文字啊請主計長您看一下 |
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我是索諾罵罵完全照抄過來沒有多一個字沒有少一個字這個就是我們立法委員看到的嘛其他的東西我們看不到啊我最後只能去追蹤這個錢到底怎麼花嘛那我想要請教主計長的教一下我們這些全體的立委預算編成這樣結果最後花成這樣這到底合法不合法 |
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這個合法不合法不是由我來認定而是說這個部分因為這個部分據我所知審計部它也有在進行查核那這個部分就是等於是說我們還必須要看它本身這一個 |
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主委他本身這個專刊的一個內容那是不是有跟這個計畫有相符合或者裡面有沒有諸作很大那這才能夠確定說這個經費到底是合法不合法這樣所以這個部分我們也必須要查證以後才能夠做好沒有問題喔 |
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主委部長您的精神你要查證我明天我會請辦公室送一本我剛講的寫真集到您的辦公室去因為你當然看完了以後你也可以做你的評價說這不是寫真集 |
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這跟原住民的政策本會的施政方針以及我們的業務工作報告根本就是在講這件事情不是什麼個人寫真集黃國昌質詢無憑無據胡說八道你也可以形成這樣的見解台灣是一個自由民主法治的社會嘛那但是我們就依法論法把它講清楚因為我這件事情 |
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我一定要打破砂鍋問到底到底這樣子幹是不是合法如果這樣幹還合法的話那我必須要講問題嚴重啦我們整個預算制度啊根本是形同虛設紀律蕩然無存啦我為什麼會擔心這個紀律蕩然無存啊我們的行政院院長卓榮泰告訴大家不要浪費公帑 |
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不可以浪費公帑這是全體納稅人大家共同的希望但在我的角度是這就是浪費公帑但問題是浪費公帑我們竟然還沒有辦法對它怎麼樣代表了這個國家出現了嚴重的問題因為我有看你們主計總處在跟人家上課的時候預算經費的使用應符合計畫內容 |
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預算費用的使用應符合計畫內容但是剛剛那個有符合計畫內容嗎?您現在沒辦法做判斷我尊重我一定會送一本到你們那邊去過兩個禮拜等到勞動部的調查報告出來以後我也會送一份報告給您我們一定要搞清楚 |
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我們過了預算裡面有說明我們本來以為是要做什麼好事結果錢拿去胡搞瞎搞胡搞瞎搞完以後如果整個最後的結論是這個查無不法謝謝指教那我們的預算制度就有需要徹底的檢討到時候再麻煩主席長因為主席站起來我後面其實很多問題其實後面也沒有人在等 |
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韓國昌委員 |
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陳素悅委員用書面質詢陳盈委員、陳盈委員、陳盈、陳盈、陳盈不在蔡易瑜委員用書面質詢我們剛好5點半耶這樣是不是提早下課啊今日登記發言委員經已詢答完畢本次會議做如下決議 |
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報告、說明及詢答完畢。委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資訊。請相關部會與一周內已書面答覆。委員應要求期限者從其所定。委員蘇清泉、陳昭之、蔡其昌、張家俊、陳樹越、邱毅榮、葉元之、邱振軍、蔡依 |
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所提的書面質詢均列入紀錄刊登公報．並請相關部會書面答覆:「中央政府前瞻基礎建設第5期特別預算114年度．令則其繼續審查。」本日會議委員若有相關預算提案請於11月27日星期三中午12點前競送財政委員會議事人員收件。 |
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本次會議議程已經進行完畢,堂有不在場委員補題書面執行,一併列入紀錄,刊登公報,並請議事人員協助處理。我們處理詢答的時候,請部長務必要到,不然可能會有很好的下場。來,好,三位,謝謝。 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審議 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
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二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審議 |
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本集完 |
| IVOD_ID |
16282 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16282 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-2-20,15,19,22,23,26-1 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[2] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[3] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[4] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[5] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政、內政、經濟、教育及文化、交通、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-20T08:30:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-20T17:32:00+08:00 |
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