| IVOD_ID |
162794 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162794 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-23T13:03:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-23T13:14:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b58c4cf52db2e91a370e8ad099119e51b9483b76f331b600f8dca54ed19086aacbfbb2dae5f8c4225ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊曜 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:03:01 - 13:14:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查
（一）委員劉建國等17人擬具「老人福利法第四十八條條文修正草案」案。
（二）台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「老人福利法第四十八條條文修正草案」案。
二、審查
委員許宇甄等18人、委員邱鎮軍等19人、委員林月琴等17人、委員陳菁徽等18人、台灣民眾黨黨團、委員范雲等17人、委員邱若華等17人【提案第11006882號】、委員魯明哲等19人、委員傅崐萁等24人、委員洪孟楷等17人、委員邱若華等17人【提案第11010755號】分別擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第五十三條條文修正草案」等11案。
三、審查
（一）委員范雲等17人、委員何欣純等17人、委員羅廷瑋等16人、委員廖偉翔等19人、委員陳菁徽等16人、委員羅美玲等16人、委員劉建國等17人分別擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法部分條文修正草案」等7案。
（二）委員郭昱晴等19人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第十六條條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員陳冠廷等16人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第三十八條條文修正草案」案。
（四）委員陳冠廷等20人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第二條、第五十三條及第九十九條條文修正草案」案。
（五）委員徐富癸等18人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第十條條文修正草案」案。
（六）委員黃捷等17人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第七十一條條文修正草案」案。
（七）委員王鴻薇等20人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法增訂第四十條之一條文草案」案。
（八）委員柯志恩等18人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法增訂第四十條之一條文草案」案。
（九）委員柯志恩等17人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第六十條之一條文修正草案」案。
（十）委員馬文君等19人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第三十條之一、第五十條及第五十二條條文修正草案」案。
（十一）委員廖偉翔等21人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法增訂第五十條之一條文草案」案。
（十二）委員林楚茵等20人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第十條條文修正草案」案。
（十三）委員洪孟楷等18人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法增訂第四十條之一條文草案」案。
（十四）委員陳俊宇等18人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第七十一條條文修正草案」案。
（十五）委員林楚茵等17人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第七十一條條文修正草案」案。
（十六）委員劉建國等17人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第七十一條條文修正草案」案。
（十七）委員邱若華等17人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第七十一條條文修正草案」案。
【第一案至第三案採綜合詢答；本日僅處理第一案及第二案。】
【6月23日、25日及26日三天一次會】） |
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來選擇請主席謝謝主席,主席請下秀部長來請部長部長好 |
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部長我們衛福部去年有預告修正了身心障礙法的權益保障那有關無障礙設施我們將合理調整跟通用設計這兩個概念入法對不對那我 |
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我今天先跟你們的團隊討論一下合理調整跟通通設計合理調整其實就是比較像個案來做處理 |
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那通案設計就是以後我們在不管環境、交通、資訊、通訊等各層面都要依照通案設計的原則來規劃算起來算是一個全面性的東西現在是這樣子就是有民團表示合理調整 |
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會被誤用或者是被當成阻礙長期規劃的擋箭牌也就是說政府對於各項設施長期規劃改善的計畫讓國家邁向通用性無障礙環境會不會因為導入合理調整而延緩貴府府的看法是什麼 |
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不一定要部長回答我想不管是合理調整或通用設計都是國際的一個趨勢也是CRPD所提出來的名詞那當然對於軟體硬體的一個合理調整整個通用設計更是有幾個原則在做整體性的處理那基本上委員所提出擔心的部分是不是周代理市長 |
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各位委員報告現在無障礙設施的部分規定在生存法的57條它是一個義務一定要遵守合理調整是一個這次在修法的過程裡面比較新引進來的一個做法國際上新的趨勢目前在做法上面的話我們是比較傾向於用一個指引的方式 |
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讓各個相關的主要的目的事業主管機關能夠在他的目的事業裡面去訂定怎麼樣去做合理調整那通用設計也是一個他沒有到無障礙的程度這麼高但是他是一個比較讓更多的人去更方便使用的一個觀念他其實稍微和無障礙稍微還是有一點點不一樣還是有一點差別 |
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也就是說 因為我下一題就是剛剛您講的就是我們各項的無障礙設施其實它涉及很多不同的機關所屬權責那衛福部現在跟未來 |
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到底怎麼去協調各部會把通用設計的理念逐步納入改善設施你們現在有做法 |
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那目前有一些通用設計的一些比較這個一般性的概念那其實我們跟內政部這邊有在已經在這個建築技術規則的建築物的那個無障礙設施設計的規範裡面他就已經一步一步的有在一步一步的去做導入了就是說那他不是只有在做 |
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身心障礙者之於使用那一步一步有在導入那另外在這個特殊教育法裡面那也把這些概念都一步一步的在導入學校的部分也在進一步的導入進一步大概也有透過一些產業的這種活動或者競賽來去做相關的觀念宣導或者引入 |
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這個涉及跨部會的問題就是我們修我們的法可是同時也必須要橫向的跟其他的部會做統整的工作我們會跟各部會一起來,相關的部會一起來努力就上次身障者的個人有一個個人助理制度 |
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由個人助理制度就是他大概就是為了要照顧身心障礙者所以身心障礙者是可以透過申請來申請 |
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個人助理那現在多數的地方政府都設有60每個月60小時的申請上限這個應該不是中央規定的不是可是地方政府多數都說是中央規定的這個部長知道嗎我們應該沒有規定 |
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我們目前是沒有去設定在一個60小時的上限地方政府之所以會規定大概是因為經費不足對不對服務量能跟經費 |
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個人助理的部分他現在和如果他是同時可以個案同時可以使用長照服務的話其實在評估的過程就是他會把各種服務一起綜合性的去評估個案的需求用哪些各種各樣的服務 |
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對 可是其實我在想地方政府規定了60個小時當然有多少人力 |
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預算才能支應多少服務量的那60個小時確實是可能對於某一些有在使用的身體傷害者是明顯不足的那這個部分請中央跟地方還是要去做一定的溝通最後問一個時事的題目就是自殺率的問題部長我們 |
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我們在113年十大死因統計自殺死亡首度突破4000人比前一年多了164那特別是15歲到24歲15歲到24歲的自殺率從2014年每10萬人5.1攀升到2023年 |
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10.9也就是說從2014到2023增加了一倍增加了一倍那我們衛福部有計畫在提供15到45歲每一個人每一年三次免費的諮詢服務這個期限是到 |
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2025年也就是今年連體會結束會不會延長這個應該一定會延長一定會延長一定會延長因為我看你們的統計就是使用這項計畫的滿意度高達96%就表示這是一個很好的計畫那 |
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可是呢我最後再點出一點就是這個方案在112年推出的時候每個月平均可以服務到接近3500人可是從去年的7月到今年5月這11個月的平均量能 |
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降到只剩下2100人也就是說量能我們的統計就是服務的滿意度很高可是量能減少可是自殺死亡的人數增加不懂我的意思嗎這三個 |
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這三個數據是有衝突的這時間的關係所以我讓你們待會去做研究參考好不好好就是說到底為什麼諮詢的效果我們覺得不錯可是呢來使用這個計畫的人數降低 |
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然後自殺的人數增加這個可能到底盲點在哪裡報告委員可不可以請先生簡單的回應一下 |
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跟委員報告我們在去年8月份的確是有把這個心理健康支持的方案的這個服務的對象有擴大到45歲那其實除了新建市這邊推動的這個心理健康的支持方案之外其實在教育部這邊他們也透過修正學生輔導法來增加校園的一個輔資的人力那另外呢其實相關的部會也有推動他們自己的心理健康支持的方案 |
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所以剛剛委員特別提到說使用我們的心理健康支持的方案感覺上人數是有減少這個其中一個可能的原因是因為相關的部會也有提供心理健康的支持各部會所以你這樣子的說法就是是從去年7月其他的部會才推出 |
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應該是說相關的部會其實他們持續都有在推出這個心理健康支持的方案而且有在做一些滾動的修正所以說可能大家的這個服務方案越來越精進所以說不是除了衛福部的心理健康支持方案之外其實求助的管道也變多了 |
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你這樣子的講法我可能沒有辦法接受不過我還是可以讓你們待會去跟各部會討論看看因為我剛才講的這三個數據確實是有衝突的我們來把真正的原因找出來好不好好 謝謝部長 謝謝主席好 謝謝 |