| IVOD_ID |
162784 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162784 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-23T11:37:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-23T11:50:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b58c4cf52db2e91ab89330fb577eca0ab85017248ed72d8dda6ae3643212cc5f9307f5de316788b35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡易餘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:37:55 - 11:50:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員、交通部首長及國家科學及技術委員會首長就「因應高齡化社會，我國智慧公共運具發展及目標」進行報告，並備質詢。【6月23日及6月25日二天一次會】） |
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好謝謝主席那我們是不是先請交通部次長林次長林次長和公路局副局長副局長蔡委員長好次長 |
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那因為今天我們昭偉在關心的關於說這個老齡化他去使用的這個客運的問題那事實上我們也知道像是很多偏鄉也不用說到完全偏鄉像現在我們嘉義縣嘉義縣大概晚上之後幾乎就沒有客運了 |
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完全過去的客運功能完全已經沒了就是說不管是到台北啦高雄啦大家都覺得說哇這個投報率來越低可能承載的人數也少那就變得說沒有就沒有這樣的一個客運服務了那我想要請教次長那因為這種有一點是因為市場導向的然後造成了這個客運的終止那這樣的情況站在交通部的立場你們是樂見嗎還是你們覺得 |
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就讓它市場下去包園當然不樂見我們不樂見公共運輸退場的這麼快但是現在的狀況是可能委員也知道我們在疫情期間也很多私人運具是有註冊或購買 |
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那有一部分的使用者在那段時間是轉到私人運區去那第二個呢是我們也曾經注意到客運車的駕駛相對壓力比較大因為他會面臨乘客的抱怨或是路線比較長疲勞駕駛的問題甚至剛剛游委員也提到他可能會有用餐上廁所的一些壓力所以這些課題如果不能夠逐步來處理大概公路駕駛會不太容易找得到 |
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對因為你剛講到有所謂的私人的一個運具但是他畢竟他是不是很大客群他是懂得去使用這個私人運具的人他才有辦法尤其是在這種跑長城的比方我就是說如果從嘉義要到台北我晚上在趕不上最後一班的高鐵十點半的高鐵我趕不上了那我有其他選擇嗎好像沒有除了自用車以外就是轎車了 |
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但是客運這一塊就沒了所以市長你說你不樂見那交通部要提出怎樣的替代方式去延長這些客運的壽命也好還是他們能夠繼續提供服務 |
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跟委員報告這個全世界可能都面臨一樣的問題一個缺工第二個是這個駕駛人在超過65歲以上的時候其實有些駕駛他還有一定的能力像計程車的部分我們就放得比較寬那所以有關是否把駕駛年齡延長第二個是否能找到更多的駕駛來源 |
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包含我們前一陣子討論的這個外籍駕駛通通是我們努力的方向不過目前並沒有很好的一個結果啦市長這也是有很多矛盾的你說要駕駛年齡延長 不然你現在延長下去我們也沒辦法預見說駕駛年齡延長 |
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那後面這一段到底要延長多久延長到66歲67歲這個延長的部分還需要精細的討論因為畢竟不是說直接依照工序來處理有些部分還是要看年齡的部分 |
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那第二個是駕駛人的部分我們今天的主題就是智慧運輸跟自動駕駛能否幫助駕駛降低他的壓力以及行車安全所以我們也希望透過智慧運輸智慧公車的提供 |
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讓駕駛的壓力降低以後能夠用這個方式來吸引新的駕駛人員來進行當然啦我們期待未來可以有無人載具智慧運輸來取代這樣的一個客運的服務但是我覺得市長還是要去關注到啦在偏鄉本身的公共運輸的能量就很不足那 |
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又因為偏鄉然後你再說這個駕駛人數的一個限制的話這個在偏鄉更嚴重所以我們交通部還是要去顧及到很多不同的城鄉落差鎮下所在一萬人我要找個公共運輸就沒有辦法找不到而且本身地方的年輕人也不足他要說叫家人才知道 |
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所以為什麼會開始把幸福巴士導入幸福小房的作用大概是這個就是說用計程車來協助非特定路線的公共運輸那第二個我們同仁也在研議 |
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有些如果连幸福小房都没有那更偏远的郊区或是山区可不可以开放社会型的服务比如说这个团体协会来参与我们的公共运输服务这个在别的地区是有那目前就是还没有正规化来导入 |
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對 既然有方法我覺得就要去嘗試看看了這個大概就是對 記得市長你都講到說可能用一些工協會由他來扮演的適度的運輸的角色市長你要工協會扮演對不對但是你很多配套還是要先給他第一個就是說 |
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這個你叫協會去當駕駛他們的車他還是要符合規格但是我跟你說他們很多是會害怕的我之前有遇過一些類似消防的就是要帶老人去長照中間一小段對不對你知道 |
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他們駕駛是不敢把老人從車上把他扶到車下他會怕他會怕什麼他怕後續的一些責任問題他沒有受過正當的教育課是啊是啊他就會有這些責任問題所以所以我要說很多時候你們好 |
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大方法抓出來那剩下一些配套一些要解套然後一些讓這些駕駛人他們適度的一些責任應該要讓他們有豁免的機會不然他要塞車然後要救整車的老人他也是怕的應該是兩個方面一個就是提升他的職能讓他認識了解他要做的工作那第二個豁免的部分可能要思考怎麼來補強他 |
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這部分我想可以再想辦法啦偏鄉地方對於公共運輸的需求我覺得這個交通部你們在思考台灣的發展交通的時候一定要注意到城鄉的差距因為偏鄉的地方看是政府部門應該要顧好好不好謝謝委員好來市長請回那我是不是再請經濟部郭部長郭部長 |
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我們來討論一個時事的現在以伊戰爭看起來伊朗國會已經批准要封鎖赫默茲海峽 |
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那封鎖了赫默茲海峽大概整個石油從中東的石油大概會斷裂那如果以台灣對台灣的影響來說台灣有超過六成的石油或者也還有兩成以上的天然氣是來自包括沙烏地阿拉伯啦包括科威特包括 |
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卡達啦 這樣的一些中東國家所以會產生這樣石油供應的斷鏈跟天然氣那未來勢必可以想像 可能油價會上漲那油價會上漲這件事情兩個直接衝擊 中油跟台塑那部長 我們未來對中油我們因應油價上漲 我們要怎樣的對策嗎 |
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報告委員我想油價的部分因為我們還有一個亞林最低價這樣一個部分存在所以我想這個行政院他應該會去考量這部分不是經濟部的業務啦我們是盡量配合這個行政院的這個指示來因應但是我們有做了一些推估大概會漲多少做了一些推估不過經濟部現在關切的是這個20%的油到25%的氣 |
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其實那幫人 |
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這個供給上面不順利的時候我要怎麼來彌補這個市場的這個需求啦所以我們經濟部現在大部分都在著力於對量的穩定量的穩定啦介紹的部分因為我們有供應量的穩定很重要就是要有一些替代的一些能源的一些來源啦但是部長我現在我想要問這一題我比較想要呼籲的就是說 |
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我們中油 畢竟中油是國營事業啦那如果亞林最低價那當然中油就要去吸收要去吸收這一些油價的 |
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但是另外一間台塑,台塑面對整個中國的石化業產能過剩所以台塑已經面對很大的衝擊這次的油價如果上漲,對台塑是可以說雪上加霜,更嚴重 |
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台塑這間公司這樣經營下去壓力這麼大,勢必會面對台灣很多的就業市場,不然我想你一定知道,很多台灣的員工在台塑上班,你看賣料那裡,現在賣料那裡已經變成一個很大的鄉鎮,你看我們跟台北比較辛苦, |
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那也幾乎都是在台塑或是台塑的關係企業那如果未來台塑跟中油一樣面對油價上漲然後有面對這個油價要吸收成本的這樣的危機的時候雖然它是一些私人企業但是它已經大到我們政府應該要去關心它保證這塊是不是你可以 |
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思考一下報告委員我們現在大概就是對油價的目前大概在75塊到85塊這個地方我們還在評估那當然更高的時候我想我們會從這個影響CPI這個物價指數上面來看那根據我們的模型來推論如果油價上漲10%影響CPI大概只有0.3% |
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對於這私人企業因為他大到影響我們會來跟他接觸來尋求跟他做充分的溝通看需要怎樣來倒三缸我的意思是這樣我覺得跟台秀應該對話台秀這間企業已經這麼大這麼多員工在那裡上班所以我們也不想看到台秀有裁員的狀況一個裁員就是很多家庭他少了這樣的一個依靠 |
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所以台塑要怎麼讓它可以至少要撐過你說中國的產能過剩再加上這一次以異戰爭可能會面對的一個能源危機這個部分中有需要台塑這也是可能我們國家的台東應該也是要來關心當然我們就是現在台塑是大企業 |
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那大企業有大企業的運作模式現在我們經濟部主要還是對中小微企業我們著力比較深啦當然委員現在關注到這個命題我們會回去以後馬上召集我們部裡面的這些同仁來詳細跟這個你們應該思考一下啦所以我也沒辦法有大案啦因為畢竟還是智能企業我可以想像因為在我的選區我好多人都都是台所上班他們都會歡樂 |
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這員工在替老闆在擔心啦是是是 這個部分台塑應該是我們會去考量啦就是說基本上還是要反映成本啦我們還是盡量讓他反映成本這個部分我想我們會跟台塑然後我們整體所有的相關的同仁我們會來努力好 謝謝部長好 謝謝 |