| IVOD_ID |
162779 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162779 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-23T11:27:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-23T11:37:51+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b58c4cf52db2e91aabf0c47d60d295b9b85017248ed72d8dda6ae3643212cc5f615262e27cf63ed25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:27:31 - 11:37:51 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員、交通部首長及國家科學及技術委員會首長就「因應高齡化社會，我國智慧公共運具發展及目標」進行報告，並備質詢。【6月23日及6月25日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 請郭部長 |
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委員好部長好辛苦了這個本席請教一下部長您在5月26號還有6月21號都有針對這個關稅的問題對等關稅問題有接受媒體的訪問然後在5月26號的時候你有提到說這個關稅在談判進行當中不便對外透露細節 |
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但已經清楚了掌握美國到底要什麼國人可以放心台灣有把握拿到較好的關稅條件這是5月26號但是在6月21號呢您的說法好像有一點改變你說呢這個 |
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目前重要的變數在於美國能否在實現之前跟日本、韓國、越南、歐盟等完成談判若有結果其他國就會比較好談那想請問一下部長這兩個時間點上面有什麼樣的變化嗎 |
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報告委員我確實這樣子啦就是說美國他在談判這個關稅的時候他有分三個ROM就是綠色的黃色跟紅色的ROM他這次大概主要在談的都還是靠近在綠色的ROM比如說對美國比較友好的這些所以我們是在綠區就對了我們當然是18個國家都在綠區啦但是這個綠區的部分因為他在談判的過程每一個國家不會一樣 |
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所以我們當然啦就是說會觀察嘛我後來在講的這個就是說韓國日本跟這個歐盟 |
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我們在看這都是大的國家那他一定要美國一定要跟這些人談好嘛那這些談好這個基準他談好以後才會跟我們這些來談那我們剛開始的時候我們在談我們跟他談完了以後我們發現我們應該跟美國之間的差異並沒有那麼多 |
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就是美國要我們的然後我們這些沒有參加所以我在5月26號的時候曾經這麼講我們掌握了非常多美國的這個希望跟我們我們可能大部分都是在這種一些非關稅貿易障礙的部分比較多啦就關稅的部分我們其實沒有那麼大的這個差異所以那時候你談完你覺得是有信心的 |
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可以拿到比較好的條件我們談判的小組回來跟我們大家分享大概狀況是這樣經濟部是負責搜尋這一些市場資訊我們發現事實上到六月的時候美國在談的時候它自己的進度 |
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一直在delay而且我們發現說跟我們這個當初的這個simulation裡面有一點點小的這個差異這個小的差異是在於美國他們現在談判的過程裡面那個不確定性增加了不確定性增加譬如說這個 |
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美國對英國的這個車的關稅雖然調降回來10%但是他有限量他是限量他一定要在10萬輛規模以下才享有這些優惠的稅率那這個這個關稅 |
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只限美國跟英國兩個國家所以這個對我們在談判後面要談判的就有很多的空間可以來進行我們在發現說它可能不是一體適用不是全世界對美國來談判是多方的談判 沒有它可以談到彼此對等至於對等的定義是什麼我們當然要觀察 |
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他對日本對韓國因為這兩個國家對台灣來講是非常非常的重要因為我們有很多的這個在這個工業上面特別是輕工業資訊工業上面我們也是高度重疊半導體所以我們不能夠說我們今天談下來的關稅遇到比較這個不利的這個狀況 |
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那因為我們在過去碰到這個關稅的問題的時候總統總統也好行政院院長也好我們都一起去到各個這個產業去座談我們也充分的了解業者的這個期許啦業者希望我們在談判的那一組人能夠談下一個不歧視的關稅也就是說那部長那現在你的意思是說像日本韓國歐盟他們先談好之後我們才有辦法談嗎 |
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不是在他們談的條件的這個限制之下我們再來談嗎我們當然這個談不是我們主動美國說我們跟美國說我當時要說就可以了可是因為60天的緩衝起因快結束了對快結束了我們應該是會在因為我們是比較穩定對美國來講說台灣是比較穩定比較穩定的一個國家 |
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所以對於要跟台灣談他認為說應該是比較容易談的一個部分那他美國對日本跟韓國因為日本因為他有很大的利益在汽車上面韓國也很大的這個利益在汽車跟造船上面 |
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這兩個issue跟台灣都沒有關係所以他會先談完那其實我們台灣的優勢是在於我們AI的晶片跟我們AI的server那另外一個就是我們的傳統產業所以我們關心的是傳統產業的部分那傳統產業大概是競爭的啦所以我再請教一下部長就是說那你6月21號你的專訪我是覺得說奇怪那是不是沒有像你在5月底的時候談得這麼有信心呢 |
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我們當然是到目前為止談下來我跟委員報告因為這還沒有談完嘛所以我們應該是有信心不至於談出一個對日本或者韓國更差的這個關稅這個我們應該是具有高度信心好 OK那我先為了沒有時間到我再做一個問題我請這個交通部的次長好不好林次長 |
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委員好來 市長我簡短問齁這個你們是2030年齁客運車輛電動化預計要達到這個市區公車全面電動化的目標是不是是那我剛有聽到委員講說這個目標有可能會跳票是不是 |
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沒有目前還是照這方向來走因為去年2024我們是有達標那你說如果到2030年接下來的五年都要達標的話每年大概市區的這個電動公車大概要貸還多少 |
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現在一萬一千台市區公共車嘛那我剛剛報告裡面也有我們現在已經有三三三二八八三千兩百多輛設計跟已經使用中了所以還有七千輛七年一兩千輛每年所以市長是認為說還是在二零三零年之前市區的公車這個是我們的目標那我再問一下因為後面會越來越快那可是我們的這一個呢國道的這一個電動大客車勒 |
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現在我們在國道上面有電動大客車嗎同步在開發但是它的規格跟使用性能會不一樣我們現在在國道上面有電動大客車在跑嗎目前沒有 只有公路客運有一些我認真說沒有啊我問的資料應該是沒有啊所以現在在國道上面都還沒有電動大客車在跑就對了那你們預計是哪時候電動大客車會在國道上面跑 |
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這個我請市長回應好跟委員報告一下確實就是說國道客運使用的續航力跟這個相關的性能要求比較高那目前相關的業者在做開發當中那目前大概有些這個車型出來那目前還在做性能上面的這個調校我們也很期待希望說在今年年底或明年初能夠有符合國道客運的這個車子能夠出來 |
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今年底或明年初因為有業者在抱怨就是說他已經跟這一個電動車公司已經簽好約那個有這個路線可以跑那結果因為呢這個電動大哥車他做不出來結果他的路線也被取消掉了就有這種情況 |
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這個部分據我所了解的一個部分的話這個當然牽扯到他這個業者當時拿到這個案這個路線那對審議會我想也是公務局承諾的這個條件那後面他跟相關的這個電動大客車業者去訂定相關這個採購車輛基本上也有一個這個合約啦那我想說有一些這個業者 |
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兩方相關交車這個正義的這個部分的話我們是比較建議可能要循他們的合約來做處理司契約是歸司契約那大概就是按照這個法律途徑在講那我是認為說既然這個電動客車大客車是這個部裡面的這一個計畫不論是市區公車或是說這一個我們國道上面的這個電動大客車我們都有補助嘛對不對都有補助那我是希望說相關的配套措施尤其在國道 |
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客運的這個相關措施你要做好,不然你車子第一個你現在還沒辦法上路,第二個就是說它的這些充電裝之類的配套措施好像也都還沒有完成啊 |
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除了車輛本身的一個相關性能的一個要求之外那另外有關於在廠站端這些相關充電設施的部分我們對於這個國道客運或是未來一般公路客運的協助會跟現在市區客運一樣相關的廠站端這些相關的充電裝還包括這個充電這個智慧管理平台的這個部分我們公路局都會來做協助 |
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因為這個是部裡面的這個計畫啦我是希望說就好好監督齁能夠讓他順利的能夠上路啦好 謝謝社長好 謝謝委員 |