| IVOD_ID |
16276 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16276 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-23-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-18T08:31:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-18T15:37:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
07:05:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302ddf0f9f44450827e57dbed544b35c5f3caedb79b8bfb08e799c8f6bad09281cb895ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、交通部公路局局長、法務部及內政部警政署就「偽變造車牌或其它隱匿車牌方式之查緝與防制暨如何有效杜絕無照駕駛猖獗之亂象」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查(一)委員洪孟楷等24人、(二)委員黃健豪等17人、(三)委員林俊憲等17人、(四)委員王鴻薇等18人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條條文修正草案」案、(五)委員鍾佳濱等19人、(六)委員許宇甄等17人、(七)委員陳素月等20人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條及第十二條之一條文修正草案」案、(八)委員林德福等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條及第十三條條文修正草案」案、(九)委員徐富癸等19人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條及第十五條條文修正草案」案及(十)委員林思銘等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第二十一條條文修正草案」案。【第（十）案各黨團若未提出不復議同意書，則不予審查】
三、審查(一)委員傅崐萁等20人、(二)委員陳雪生等29人分別擬具「發展觀光條例第二條及第七十條之二條文修正草案」案、(三)委員許宇甄等20人擬具「發展觀光條例第四條、第五十三條及第七十條之二條文修正草案」案、(四)委員林倩綺等21人擬具「發展觀光條例第三十六條及第六十條條文修正草案」案、(五)委員王美惠等16人擬具「發展觀光條例部分條文修正草案」案、(六)委員伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe等20人擬具「發展觀光條例第五十五條、第五十五條之一及第五十五條之三條文修正草案」案及(七)委員游顥等38人擬具「發展觀光條例第七十條之二條文修正草案」案。【11月18日、20日二天一次會】） |
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還沒還沒還沒 |
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初席委員已足法定人數先來開會請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議議事錄時間113年11月13日星期三上午9時至中午12時59分地點本院紅樓201會議室初席委員徐志傑等15人、列席委員林德甫等17人、列席官員數位發展部部長黃燕南等 |
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主席陳昭及委員數月報告四項宣讀上次會議議事錄決定議事錄確定討論事項一、二審查一百一四年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部支通安全署數位產業署單位預算本任會議由數位發展部部長黃燕南等報告後藉由委員林沛翔等22人提出質詢軍經數位發展部部長黃燕南及相關人員分別予以答覆 |
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決議 一、報告及詢問完畢二、委員徐思潔所提書面諮詢列入記錄並刊登公報三、委員於諮詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分請數位發展部盡速以書面答覆四、第一案及第二案均令者其進行處理委員預算提案於12月3日星期二中午12時前截止修建散會宣讀完畢 |
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好,我們議事錄等一下再確定現在介紹現場的委員首先介紹李昆哲委員林德福委員洪孟楷委員接下來介紹我們列席人員首先介紹我們交通部陳世凱部長陳部長給部長一個掌聲大家互相打氣一下這個公共運輸局監理師林福山司長 |
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法治署許宏達處長、陸正吉道安司蔡淑冰副市長、公務局陳威瑞局長、高速公務局趙新華局長、運營運營所林記國所長、觀光署周永輝署長、 |
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也謝謝法務部、法務部檢察師郭勇發師長。好,郭師長謝謝你。法務部廖江憲參事。廖參事,謝謝。內政部警政署李政曉副署長。消防署預備調查組沈益哲副主任。金融監督管理委員會保險局陳清源副局長。好,陳副局長。 |
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農業部林業及自然保育森林育樂組李允忠組長教育部秘書處李啟光專門委員經濟部國貿署戴婉容主秘好戴主秘好謝謝國防部政治作戰局政戰綜合處張景泰處長好張處長 |
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1929.938 |
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1948.269 |
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衛福部疾管署急性傳染病組楊靖惠組長。接下來是我們數位部資源管理師江振南科長。以及我們數位產業署黃美靜記政。 |
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1958.43 |
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1981.636 |
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司法院行政訴訟及懲戒廳何孝剛法官、何法官謝謝以上是我們的列席人員本次會議進行第一偽變造車牌或其它隱匿車牌方式的查緝與防制及如何有效杜絕無照駕駛猖獗的亂象專題報告第二 |
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1986.482 |
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2003.738 |
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道路交通管理處罰條例及發展觀光條例等兩項修正案的審查。好,那我們這個先確認一下議事錄。那我們交通委員對於我們上次會議的議事錄有沒有問題?好,沒有問題。我們議事錄確定。 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
2010.37 |
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2021.074 |
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接下來我們就針對於我們有兩個法案要修正案的提案說明到場的委員首先請林德甫委員說明 |
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2031.525 |
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2049.895 |
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謝謝主席還有交通部陳部長還有所有列席與會的各位官員還有各位同仁我想本席有提了一個就是本院林德福、蘇清泉等16人有建一部分民眾裝撬牌器、電動窗簾式遮蔽車號的裝置意圖規避公共危險 |
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2057.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
2074.998 |
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而且超速、蛇行、逼車等等違法違規的這些行為或試機從事不法的行為使警方檢舉民眾不能辨認其車牌號增加查緝上的困難那針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
2077.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
2087.423 |
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該行為應要加重來處罰本席提出交通道路管理處罰條例第12條與第13條修正的草案原處罰是新台幣2400元以上4800元以下的罰款 |
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2097.225 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
2120.385 |
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那本席把他提高為新台幣3600元以上10800元以下的划緩並吊銷其車牌是否有當進行公決謝謝好謝謝林委員那因為今天我們提案的委員比較多所以每位待會會計時兩分鐘接下來有請洪孟楷委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
2135.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
2163.411 |
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主席感謝。假車牌嚴不嚴重?非常嚴重,非常氾濫。今年8月,台南漁會前理事長槍擊案,車手掛假車牌,讓全台警方全國查緝。8月,通緝犯開賓室掛假車牌趴趴走,國道警住處逮人扣槍毒假車牌。 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
2166.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
2183.168 |
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十月三重警當街開9槍逮捕你偽造車牌駕駛副駕一人副部中彈還有11月也就是上禮拜五開槍畫面曝新裝毒蟲掛假車牌拒檢衝撞警連開13槍破窗逮人 |
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2190.884 |
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2202.622 |
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這還只是有上新聞媒體版面的重大刑案沒上的呢?假車牌現在氾濫程度超過你我想像根據交通部的資料 |
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2204.275 |
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2220.772 |
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一百一十年查獲偽造車牌95件逐年增加一百一十一年169件一百一十二年251件到今年十月底已經1012件這個成長幅度比例之高之快之廣 |
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2221.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2245.845 |
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害人聽聞八月更是高峰到達將近300件所以現在我們是要從源頭管理源頭嚇阻假車牌兩個部分第一網路販售等一下部長我們也會針對這個部分好好的來救教因為到此時此刻我們在查都還是查得到假車牌的販售狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
2247.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2264.569 |
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但第二個本席以及我們其他委員都是過去長期關係交通的部分我們也提出相關的修法一定要重刑重罰甚至沒路車輛因此本席的版本雖然當初提案的時候有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
2265.39 |
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2292.504 |
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相關的部分但我絕對支持更嚴格的版本我絕對支持這次所提出來最嚴厲的版本直接沒路車輛更是我們可以來支持的方向所以本席也會提修正動議我也拜託各位交通委員會的委員今天在詢答完畢之後如果召委能夠處理我們就要直接處理真的沒有時間再等了 |
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2293.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2316.761 |
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一日我們放縱假車牌在外面趴趴走就是一日治國人一般民眾的安危以及我們警方執法的難度越讓國人危險越讓行車安全危險越讓社會秩序危險這點我們責無旁貸一定要趕快把這個漏洞補起來所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
2317.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2336.697 |
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我們感謝召委再一次排案我們希望大家共同來趕快把這個漏洞補起來嚇阻假車牌要告訴所有犯罪集團以及有心、僥倖的民眾絕對不要用假車牌來想要做任何違法、亂機的事情謝謝好 謝謝黃委員接下來有請鍾嘉斌委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
2353.952 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2366.788 |
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謝謝主席底下未必待會有機會質詢要拜託交通部陳部長我們法務部的郭司長內政部警政署的李副署長特別詳細的瞭解假車牌為什麼嚴重 |
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2368.749 |
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2391.216 |
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因為罰則輕啊,大家都這樣講,怎麼輕?如果我是嚴重超速的話,那可以處六千到三萬六,甚至要吊扣六個月。但是呢,如果你假車牌呢,被抓到,才罰三千六到一萬零八百以下,罰太輕。那因為罰輕了,使用量就增加了。什麼人在用假車牌?第一違規祭典。 |
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2392.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2419.707 |
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他寄臉後他的車子不能用啊他如果是開明慧的車他去拿個小車牌來車主繼續開第二種要來犯罪作案什麼樣的人以前犯罪作案都用髒車啊那髒車還要去偷啊現在呢掛假車牌就可以逃避啊ETC啊那個沿途的照相他就逃過了所以呢要怎麼辦除了加重罰則之外本席的主張還要加兩個第一個末路 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2420.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2448.995 |
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如果我是自己的車因為我車主違規祭典我被吊扣車牌被吊扣我去弄個假車牌我車繼續開被抓到了車子要沒路我的名貴的車被沒路我捨得嗎一個方法第二個方法銷毀很多的犯罪車輛它縱使你把它沒路後它會再拍賣拍賣的這種犯罪車價格很低犯罪集團再買回來用就好了所以只要使用假車牌作案的車子抓到了銷毀 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2450.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2479.213 |
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才能杜絕這個車輛進入犯罪集團當作髒車的循環使用。所以呢本席在這裡我所的提案就是除了加重罰則之外針對不同的行為樣態是屬於類似像違規祭典他用一時方便的你給他沒路如果是用來犯罪作案的你就給他銷毀這樣才能有效的杜絕假車牌的犯案才能保障我們循規蹈矩遵守守法的用路人駕駛人的安全以上 |
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2481.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2484.755 |
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好 謝謝總委員接下來有請黃健豪委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2497.743 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2523.885 |
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好 謝謝主席感謝主席今天安排這個假車牌的相關修法本席在今年9月26號的質詢的時候就建議說假車牌的處罰應該要加重當時也提出道交條例那這個部分在10月25號順利來通過一睹來覆違那包含說過去的確提到金額3600到10800元其實相對非常非常低所以價格我們第一個罰款要提高把我們版本是6000提高到這個 |
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2525.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2550.235 |
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六千元以上、三萬元以下的罰環那當然更核心的重點是沒入車輛這個部分我們希望一定要能夠確實來執行什麼樣的人會使用假車牌第一個就如剛剛前面幾位委員所說的可能是因為他車牌被扣住所以他必須上路所以他使用假車牌但是我們去想想這問題我們之所以要扣他車牌就是希望他不要上路結果他買了一個便宜的假車牌讓車輛能夠繼續上路那這個罰則本身就是無效的 |
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2553.576 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2574.936 |
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所以為了杜絕這樣子的逃避逃避懲罰的規則的方式我們應該去用核心問題來處理就是來摸入車輛那第二個我想假車牌這幾年下來也嚴重造成警方辦案的困難假車牌我們雖然過去強調說有電子長城很多的犯罪行為無所遁形但是這幾年尤其今年以來我在9月的時候就 |
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2575.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2603.878 |
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預想到今年可能會破千件我那時候想的是年底破千件沒想到現在假車牌的查獲數量就已經破千件這表示說假車牌氾濫數量已經嚴重的影響治安它不僅僅只是交通道路的問題它還是治安的問題所以在假車牌的問題上面除了罰還之外更重要更重要也希望能夠確實執行的就是來沒入車輛讓這些使用假車牌上路這些民眾他不能再使用 |
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2604.198 |
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2622.343 |
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那才能夠完全執行到法律的效果否則的話這些法律形同巨文就像我們提到的就算你罰款再加再重但是很多6000到3萬以下即便是6000到3萬以下很多的犯罪集團他根本不在意這個價格所以最核心的問題我想還是希望能夠確實來執行末路車輛這個罰則以上謝謝好謝謝黃健豪委員接下來有請游浩委員說明 |
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2641.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2660.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
謝謝 謝謝趙偉那在那個發展觀光條例第72那本期在這裡要特別針對提案說明那在7條之二的話裡面所描述的一些相關單位不管是舊國團、香客大樓或是國軍英雄館或是景光山莊其實過去的話當然有提到說因為疫情的期間啊 |
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2661.041 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2675.195 |
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那時候在申請合法的過程中他那時候因為爆發行政效率或是諸多的原因那其實有提到可以的話在這個條例的話是希望能夠針對期間去做展援輔導合法那其實過去在這個 |
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2676.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2694.009 |
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旅館工會他們所提的這個訴求上其實他們最主要也是希望是在非法民宿或是日租套房這種的類型他們並不是要針對救國團或是日租套房甚至更正救國團或是香客大樓或是國興英雄館等等的一些旅租業者 |
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2694.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2721.182 |
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那其實在如何能夠在交通部或是觀光署或是相關的單位來輔導這些像是救護團的活動中心或是國際運行館或是教師會館等等那能夠讓他們能夠合法化政府是應該可以的話是加快輔導的動作或是甚至輔導的一個效果而不是因為這個期間上因為疫情而讓這些全部都關門還全部都面臨倒閉或是甚至全部收起來 |
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2721.462 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2743.102 |
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因為這些過去都有一個歷史的一個因素在那我相信在政府其實中央部分如果要提出這個發展公安條例在這個期間之內的話我覺得展現有其必要性尤其是在疫情期間相信過去公安署有許多的討論所以我覺得在今天應該是針對這個問題我相信它的延期還配合疫情 |
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2743.582 |
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好,謝謝有委員。 |
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2769.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2773.791 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
接下來有請許宇珍委員因為他兩岸一併說明三分鐘謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2785.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2796.207 |
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謝謝主席首先我針對這個觀光發展條例的修法說明因為我們現在這次修的是台灣觀光發展條例的第4條、第53條還有第72條的修法的草案 |
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2802.31 |
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2817.326 |
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那我想現行條例中第53條的規範將侵害國家法益與社會法益的行為置於同一個處罰那這樣的安排不僅會違反法律體系的邏輯也跟法益原則相當有所抵觸那所以我認為如果把兩者混為一談容易讓輕重失衡的處罰成為這個法制體系中的漏洞 |
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2825.214 |
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2837.748 |
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那因為針對觀光發展條例第72條的條文所涉及的這個特定住宿場所的部分因為其實我們當時的這個全球新冠疫情的爆發徹底的打亂這些場所的經營節奏那也打亂他們當時想要針對這個部分來申請合法的一個執照 |
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2845.316 |
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2861.016 |
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那不管是從國際英雄館到青年活動中心然後從我們的農場度假村到這個商客大樓這些特定的場所不但承載著地方經濟的重擔那也是許多基層員工賴以為生的基石那因為 |
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2874.111 |
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如果因為疫情而造成這些數千家庭的生計跟地方的經濟的穩定也將會受到威脅所以本期提出修法講言五年的申請期限是希望給予他們時間和機會讓這些單位能夠有一個喘息的空間 |
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2878.835 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2894.184 |
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那也能夠讓他們能夠轉型升級那重新站穩腳步讓政府能夠更有充分的提供輔導的一個支持那另外針對道路交通管理處罰條例因為現在假車牌的問題非常的嚴峻尤其2023年透過ETC查獲的假車牌的數量924輛但僅僅2024年的前5個月就已經激增到837輛 |
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2905.77 |
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2922.298 |
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這個數字的背後不但是案件數的攀升更是嚴峻的一個警訊有提醒我們現在的法律對於現行的這類的違規的行為的威脅力幾乎蕩然無存那所以現在的這個道路交通管理處罰條例對於假車牌僅除以3600元到10800元 |
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| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
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拜員的罰款如此輕微的懲處對於違規者來說完全都沒有什麼效力所以假車牌的問題不僅僅還有罰款過低導致它所衍生的是對整個交通秩序的挑戰 |
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三、三分局的一起的查緝行動中警方就發現了一個這個假車牌車主竟然是透過社群媒體廣告在超商以貨到付款的方式輕鬆就拿到一個假車牌 |
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四人分局也偵辦了一起住宅棄案中嫌犯利用掛有假車牌的機車作為犯罪工具讓警方追查困難重重所以假車牌的這個犯難成災不僅威脅到人民的安全也助長了各類的犯罪的滋生所以希望能夠透過這樣的修法把假車牌的這個問題能夠徹底的解決為人民建構一個安康富利的社會 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝徐委員那今天提案委員其他的這個委員都不在現場那我們就接下 進行下一個流程待會我們在 |
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今天那些單位報告因為還蠻多份報告總共有9份那我們大概會請4個單位來報告除了交通部之外法務部、內政部、這個警政署還有教育部這4個單位做報告那時間的部分我們馬上交通部大概20分鐘共用共用20分鐘你這邊寫22分鐘20分鐘那其他3個單位5分鐘好不好那我們現在就請交通部陳部長報告 |
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主席、各位委員、各位女士先生今天應邀列席貴委員會就偽變造車牌或其它隱匿車牌方式之查緝與防制暨如何有效杜絕無照駕駛猖獗之亂象進行專案報告 |
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並就審查紅委員孟楷、黃委員健豪、林委員俊憲、黃委員洪威、中委員嘉賓、許委員宇貞、陳委員素月、林委員德福、 |
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3073.718 |
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3092.697 |
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徐委員傅奎、林委員思明等相關委員擬據道路交通安全管理處罰條例共十案修正提案以及副委員坤祺、陳委員雪生、徐委員宇貞、林委員倩祺、 |
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3094.537 |
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3121.786 |
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王委員美惠、吳委員麗華、有委員浩等相關委員擬據《發展觀光條例共期案修正提案》提出本部建議處理意見供貴委員會參考。首先有關社會各界關注偽變造車牌違規課題近期使用偽造號牌案件急劇增加嚴重影響車輛 |
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號牌的管理,進而危害道路安全以及社會的治安本部已經跟內政部警政署、財政部、數位發展部、經濟部等部會積極從不敢賣、買不到、不敢用三個方向展開各項防制作為 |
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包括修法、比照危險駕駛提高罰環上限並且當場一致保管車輛使偽變造或者是蒙領牌照以及其他未懸掛有號牌情形者均以最高額來處罰偽造、變造或蒙領牌照者直接沒入車輛 |
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並罰非汽車所有人之汽車駕駛人與汽車所有人處以相同之處罰。源頭主決境外輸入 |
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進口貨物查緝通報機制以查獲三件進口偽造號牌由警察機關進一步溯源偵辦將輸入銷售者移送法辦在網路銷售資訊部分公路局已建立網路平台查詢程式並且持續查詢追蹤查獲案件及通知業者馬上下架並且移送警察機關偵辦 |
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在下架41件已經下架41件跨機關查緝當中今年到現在為止公路局會同內政部警政署共同合作已經查緝查獲使用偽造號牌違規的件數達到1012件並同溯源追緝以刑罰移送859件896人 |
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3255.336 |
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令因應近期無照駕駛造成死傷事件本部再邀集相關單位討論研擬加重罰則以及加強輔導病情病重的措施加重包括當場移置保管車輛 |
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比照危險駕駛提高罰環上限提高吊扣牌照期間提高不能考照的年限等等的罰則之條例修正草案以嚇阻無照駕駛的現象 |
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續依程序陳報行政院合轉立法院審議加強輔導的部分對於未成年以及高齡無照駕駛者並將邀集縣市政府研議建立一套統一一致的輔導防制追蹤標準機制並且納入年度的道安評比 |
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本部已經匯商相關機關以及公民團體擬具互為配套周延的這個防制之處罰條例修正草案第21條無照駕駛當場一致保管車輛並且 |
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繳扣其牌照,繳扣牌照車輛違規上路,可以依第12條再默入,克證陳報行政院合轉大院審議。有關相關委員會為加重偽造號牌及強化無照駕駛管理擬據道路交通管理處罰條例修正提案。 |
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原建請考量可並後續行政院版本修正之後再中整處理。至於相關委員擬據發展觀光條例修正提案的部分本部為促進觀光永續發展、落實觀光立國的願景交通部以及觀光署在去年9月15日同步改組 |
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改制之後觀光署及左手研擬發展觀光條例部分條文修正草案並完成草案預告與法案以及性別影響評估檢視作業。近期將報請行政院和請大院審查。 |
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以上僅先摘要說明本部提出報告重點以及建議處理的意見接下來分別請公路局陳局長、公運司林司長、觀光署周署長向各位委員做詳細的報告再一次感謝各位委員的關心以及指教謝謝 |
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主席、各位委員、各位女士先生接著就偽變造號牌及其它隱匿車牌的方式查緝防制以及如何有效杜絕這個無照駕駛進行相關的一個報告首先在這個偽變造號牌這個偽造號牌的這個違規統計部分111年169件112年251件那今年的增幅比較大到10月份為1012件不過 |
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在這個行政院九月跟十月有召開跨部會的車際會議之後八月份的這個偽造號牌是259件九月份下降至181件十月份下降至137件那在跨機關的合作斷元以及稽查九月份的這個偽造號牌的這個件數有下降的趨勢那另外在變造號牌這三年平均每年大概是50到70件整體而言變化不大 |
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那引力號牌的部分在零有號牌未懸掛不依指定位置懸掛平均每年大概就是說這個是2000到這個1000件那有逐年下降的趨勢那塗抹或安裝其他器具不能使辨識號牌的部分每年約2000到3000件 |
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那在這個偽變造號牌的查緝部分我們有相關的一個措施那第一個部分就是源頭管制要買不到主要是阻絕境外的一個輸入那公路局已經跟財政部、關務署跟經濟部、國貿署那有做相關的一個合作針對貨品輸入 |
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如果有疑似未照號牌的話就移送警察機關來偵辦。藉經已經有三件那另外在阻絕網路的資訊的部分我們對於這個網購平台的業者也多相關的一個協調那目前包括蝦皮購物、露天市集集、雅虎、拍賣、身家都已經有配合自主檢視下架那另外在社群平台部分包括臉書、LINE、YOUTUBE |
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導應也透過蘇衛部協助通報業者下架,迄今也有41件另外公路局對於網路我們也做了相關的一個巡查每天做相關的定期巡查迄今也有查獲512件通知下架而且移送警察機關偵辦另外在跨機關偵查器的一個部分 |
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3567.068 |
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民眾向監理裁決機關申訴遭偽變造號牌的資訊以及已經被吊扣、註銷、吊銷這個車牌因為它不能再上路那大部分都是有可能會被偽造號牌所以我們把這些資訊都提供給警察機關納入AI的巡防系統那加強查緝另外在各縣市的停管機關也有這個揮名單那協助我們查核通報 |
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另外在修法加重處罰部分也就是不敢用跟不敢賣那部裡面已經對於這個道路上關於處罰條例第12條85條之3的草案提出相關的一個修正主要就是罰款額度上限要提高提高到36,000元並增訂 |
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其他配套措施包括違規入案源頭管理及防範錯誤的舉發另外受害者如有需要換牌的話也免費更換號牌 |
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3628.137 |
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第二個部分報告就是這個杜絕無照駕駛相關的措施包括要納入家庭防制的功能那這一個未成年人違規我們也要求這個監護人要共同參加道路交通安全甲型那另外對於地方政府包括地方政府的這個大文匯報 |
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學校、教育單位、民政、社福單位也一起納入整個無照駕駛的追蹤輔導那對於就是說這個無照未滿18歲可是他即將滿18歲我們也給他輔導那目前有機車駕訓的一個補助那也輔導他們來考照那從這個下半年也輔導了接近快900位完成了取得駕照 |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健 |
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這個部裡面現在也提出要修正處罰條例包括移置保管車輛、比照危險駕駛提高閥門的上限等等那最後整個的偽變造號牌無照駕駛我想交通部這邊會依循行政院的施政目標就精進法制面、查緝面、防偽的供應鏈面以及網路平台的一個部分跟相關部會合作讓這個偽變造號牌不敢賣、買不到、不敢用 |
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那而且另外在無照駕駛包括相關的措施以及強化偏鄉的供應書的供給及修正法則希望來減少無照駕駛的情形發生提供這個民眾更優質的交通環境以上報告 |
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3726.625 |
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3741.519 |
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主席、各位委員、各位女士先生那今天應邀列席貴委員會那就貴委員會審查這個包括黃孟楷委員等相關委員共有實案處罰條例的一個修正草案那提出交通部的處理建議意見供貴委員做參考 |
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那首先就有關於這個洪孟楷委員等總共提出7案那針對修正條例第12條跟增訂第12條之一那主要是加重使用這個偽造號牌的滑板額度加重累犯的處罰 |
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3780.546 |
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那增訂末路車輛處罰的規定那針對這個部分的話交通部的建議處理意見交通部已經邀集內政部、警政署、法務部還有相關指甲室政府、公路局等相關單位已經完成嚴密大陸交通管理處罰條例第12條及第85條之3的修正草案那科證函報請行政院核轉答應審議那針對 |
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3807.344 |
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十二條及八十五條之三的修正重點主要包括第一個違反號牌使用規定現行最高罰款一萬零八百元比照危險駕駛修正提高到三萬六千元那另外現行條文這個禁止其行駛這個部分也修正成當場一致保管車輛那另外也明文規定 |
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只要使用偽變造或蒙領號牌及其他車上只要沒有懸掛有號牌的情形均按最高法36,000元來做處罰有關於只要是偽造、變造、蒙領牌照者 |
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直接冒入車輛銷毀另外這次也考量這個併罰非汽車所有人的汽車駕駛人與汽車所有人一樣處以相同的一個這個划反那因為這個部分有牽涉到這個疑似保管程序這些相關的部分所以這個考量建議考量可併後續行政院版的一個修正條文中委這個審查但這個尊重委員會審查的結果 |
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那另外有關這個林委員德福修正12條跟13條這個對於這個安裝其他像捲動車牌這樣子的方式使之不能辯論其號牌的部分把他移到12條的這個部分那這個部分的話其實只要是這個牌照擅自裝置與可控制變動的旋轉架上面那這個基本上已經是屬於現行12條第一項第7款就是林友號牌不依 |
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委員黃健豪等17人, 委員黃健豪等17人, 委員黃健豪等17人, 委員黃健豪等17人, 委員黃健豪等17人, |
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只要是這個相關車商或者是這個車廠擰用試車牌照供報位及牌照吊銷、吊扣其他車輛來使用這個本來就有條例第12條第一項第五款這個牌照皆供他車使用這樣子的一個這個適用那只要是請領試車牌 |
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沒有依照這個領用試車的目的來做使用的話那現行這個條例在15條第一項第四款已經有這個領用試車牌不再指定的路線跟區域內來試車都有這個相關的一個這個試用規定所以建議應該是這個無需來做徵修訂的一個動作那另外有關於林委員失明 |
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提案修正處罰條例21條加重無照駕駛處罰的這個部分那這個部分的話交通部已經邀集法務部、交易部、衛務部、內政部、警政署、直轄市政府還有入權及兒少團體完成隱匿道路交通管理處罰條例第21條、第21條之一、第67條及第85條修正草案那交通部會商各機關目前完成的一個草案的修正重點 |
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包括第一個無照駕駛現行最高罰款兩萬四千元比照危險駕駛修正提告到三萬六千元並當場一致保管車輛五人內違反兩次者均按最高而處罰這個三萬六千元那另外一個部分現行這個就是說吊扣牌照出犯一個月這個兩次三個月三次以上這個半年的部分全部這個加重這個 |
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出犯1個月提高到3個月那2次由3個月提高到6個月那3次以上由6個月提高到這個1年那並增訂這個一致保管汽車史同時就扣繳期這個牌照那另外有關於只要是這個無照駕駛 |
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那進行這個致人重傷或死亡是禁考4年那這個部分也修正致人重傷或死亡則終身不得考慮那受傷部分這個4年不能這個考慮那另外有關於這個林委員有提案就是說 |
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未成年人無照駕駛跟法定監護人並同參加道安講習的部分這個部分現行在條例授權訂定的講習辦法裡面已經有相關的一個規定所以有關於修正條例提高無照駕駛跟滑緩跟延長吊扣牌照這個部分的話盡情可考量並後續行政面板來統整做審查 |
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針對這個委員相關提案的一個這個部分那交通部非常感佩委員的提案那但是對於這個防制偽造號牌及強化這個無照駕駛管理部分那交通部已經會商相關機關及民間公民團體凝聚互為配套的處罰條例修正草案將這個陳報行政院核轉這個大院來做審議所以這邊敬請就是可併行政院版在中委做一個處理那以上處理意見僅敬請各位委員參考 |
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何俊仁議員 |
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主席、各位委員、各位先進。交通部公路局警就各題案簡單的做一個報告涉及到發展公路條例總共有11個條文我們就併案、併條的方式來跟大家做簡單的報告跟說明有關於第一案、第二案、第三案、第七案 |
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都涉及到有關於這個我們目前希望能夠這個領有的這個旅館業登記證希望能夠展現的這件事情是因為發展公安條例第24條第三項它已經規定在104年刪除的理由主要是包括國際英雄館、教師會館還有青年活動中心 |
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因為這些都提供不特定對象住宿休息那麼甚至許多經營的方式都採取委外那麼實際上確實跟旅館業 |
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沒有什麼差異因此四涉10年的弱力條款需要向地方主管機關申請旅館業的登記等項目使得繼續營業這個部分建議維持現行條文那麼有關於林委員、倩儀等21人提案修正第36條跟第60條的修正部分因為四涉 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ |
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處罰條文必須要尊重監察院委員視察的時候提醒水域管理機制的重要所以這個部分呢建請全條都維持現行條文那麼有關於徐委員、宇甄等20人這個還有王委員、美惠等16人提案第53條的修正的部分 |
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我們是建議因為整個發展觀光條例的推動那麼也包括了各對觀光產業的發展那麼我們確實需要能夠確保消費者旅客的這個權益那因此我們建議還是維持現行的條文那麼 |
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接著請大家再參考一下書面資料第五頁也就是王委員每會16人還有吳委員、立法等20人提案修正的第55條之一修正的部分因為 |
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他涉及到裁罰的標準那麼我們希望能夠在體力上能夠一致那原則上是希望能夠把下限能夠做一些統一那至於有些違條的部分就是按旅宿業規模一截為了一體適用所有的這個違規項目所以我們希望能夠給予一些適度的裁量 |
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那麼接著是針對55條之3這個修正的部分因為有關於日租套房已經有按照這個相關的這些租賃事業在做經營管理所以涉及的部分我們希望能夠 |
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建議不予爭定。最後其他有關涉及到第54條、55條、55條之一、57條原則上競表同意。那麼以上進行各位委員參採、支持與指教。謝謝。好,謝謝交通部的報告。接下來有請我們法務部檢察師郭勇發司長來做報告。 |
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主席、各位委員、各位女士、先生、大家早。今天奉邀列席貴委員會就偽變造車牌或其它隱匿車牌方式之查緝與防制暨如何有效杜絕無照駕駛猖獗之亂象代表本部列席報告並被質詢。除書面報告之外,口頭檢要報告如下。 |
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首先是使用偽造變造車牌的現行刑事處罰規定依照目前的司法實務見解汽車牌照系公路監理機關所發給依道路交通安全規則第8條規定屬於行車之許可憑證屬於刑法第212條所列的特許證若加以偽變造應適用刑法第212條之罪論處該罪的刑度為一年以下有期徒刑 |
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另外,如果藉由偽變造車牌或其它不正方法詐得國道高速公路通行利益之行為可能另外涉犯刑法第339條之一非法由收費設備詐欺得利罪該罪的刑度也是一年以下有期徒刑。 |
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再來本部已經嚴厲修正刑法偽造文書罪章將積極推動刑法修法以符合罪行相當原則本部在113年11月12日刑法修正研修小組第308次會議以進行提案討論並納入本部修正刑法偽造文書罪章的立法政策 |
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在修正的方向本部研擬修正刪除刑法第212條的偽變造特種文書罪依照各該文書的本質回歸適用偽變造的公文書或書文書的規定加以阻斷簡單地講如果是偽造牌照 |
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並加以行使的話以目前的刑度是最高可以處到7年有期徒刑而修正的理由刑法第212條課題的文書性質上仍然是屬於公文書或屬於私文書所以如果在偽變造的情形仍然要依照偽造變造公文書的方式來處斷並在其法定刑度內酌情處良 |
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第二個理由因為特種文書罪的重要性並不亞於一般的公私文書如果有偽變造的行為不僅其情節沒有較輕微而且侵害公共信用往往更較以一般公私文書來得嚴重 |
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第三個立法的修法的理由是刑事特別法已分別對偽變造護照及國民身份證的行為設有較高的刑責處罰而現行對汽車車牌的偽變造行為則上罰有刑事特別法的加重處罰規定 |
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結於本部將持續督導所屬各檢察機關在偵辦這類案子的時候能夠精進偵查作為積極的查處。 |
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而有關於修法部分本部以原理刪除刑法第212條的偽變造特種文書罪使特種文書依其性質回歸到偽造、變造公文書或私文書的罪者來加以論處以上報告敬請各位主席、主席及各位委員指教謝謝好謝謝法務部的報告 |
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接下來這樣我最後請一位就是我們內政部警政署啦林副署長來做報告那其他六個部會的報告請大家參與書面 |
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主席、各位委員、各位女士先生今天奉邀至貴委員會就《偽變造車牌或隱匿車牌之查緝及防制及如何有效杜絕無照駕駛之亂象》列行報告以下僅就本署相關查緝及防制作為提出說明第一,我們建議修正道路交通管理處罰條例加重處罰 |
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為防制汽車嫌掛偽變造車牌衍生治安及交通的問題警政署在今年9月3號邀請交通部及交通部公路局及各警察機關召開延伸偽變造車牌防制工作會議建議修正《道交條例》第12條大家對末日偽造車牌車輛加重處罰、後製共識 |
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本署乃於9月9日韓警交通部建議修法令建議無照駕駛屬於危害道路交通安全行為其所造成的危害不亞於9號駕車我們亦原體修正建議提高罰則第二大部分我們目前是跨機關合作來杜絕未照號牌 |
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交通部已洽請經濟部國際貿易署徵修限制車牌輸入規定以阻絕偽變造車牌與境外。有學者建議提出車牌防偽功能之建議,由交通部於11月15日召集相關機關研商提升車牌防偽辨識功能,希望能全面杜絕偽變造車輛以維護民眾的權益。 |
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另外,財政部官務署配合加強進口貨物查驗,如有發現疑似偽造車牌後品時,通知監理機關確認偽造車牌,再通知警察機關接續遵辦事宜。第三,我們加強查緝起地無照駕駛。 |
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本署在6月21日通令全國各警察機關加強取締無照駕駛將取締無照駕駛列入常態性的重點工作並加強校園宣導、結合教育家庭及社政單位防制未成年無照駕駛 |
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學生無照駕駛通報教育局、內管輔導為成年無照駕駛舉發家長並一致保管車輛維護交通安全秩序。第四、我們利用科技設備強化查緝能量不足將持續推動全國員警運用智慧警勤輔助系統警用行動電腦、辨識可疑車輛強化偽變造車輛之查緝量能。 |
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目前的執行成效偽變造車牌的件數分屬在7月29號特別在通令全國各警察機關加強查緝使用偽變造車牌的啟蒂目前舉發道交條例第12條第1項第3款使用偽變造車牌的件數在112人有281件 |
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今年一到十二份有一千零五十六件,跟去年相比增加了百分之三百九十六。另外查後刑法第二十一、二一二條 |
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及216條販賣或使用偽變造車牌的件數 112年一共130件139人今年1月到10月已經查後774件802人跟112年相比已增加了644件可以說我們警察機關已經有在加強查緝使用偽變造車牌的這個 |
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的這個工作另外我們對於取締無照駕駛的件數在今年1到10月舉發的違反道交條例第21條及21之一無照駕駛共102,228件目前我們更通令全國各警察機關在持續加強取締無照駕駛的違規行為 |
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以上兩項交通違規的太陽都是警方目前的工作重點我們會持續加強來取締執行以上報告恭請各位委員指示好 謝謝這個警政署的報告說明今天各機關所送的書面資料會列入紀錄刊登公報 |
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本日議程中道路交通管理條例第10案委員林思明等18人提案因為各黨團沒有提出不附議同意書暫不列入本日討論事項的議程我們現在提案說明委員剛剛我們林建祺委員到現場時間兩分鐘 |
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主席那各位出席的夥伴大家好我這邊針對這個《發展觀光條例》第36條跟第60條的條文的修正我這邊說明一下我先用一個反例來討論一下這件事情也就是我們在這個條文裡面將危險海域明確定定禁止進入但是我們從來沒有見過遊客 |
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我們是否從來沒有見過遊客看到這個就不會進入這是一個很大的問題違規的行為依然還存在很多人明知不可為而為那所以這樣一個禁止常常都變成一個無效的告示牌我提出這個修正最主要是一個讓這樣一個管理用教育意義來處理就更為有效度因為 |
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可能很多人會想說那我們如果禁止那沒有禁止出了事你要負責嗎但是重點是請問你禁止了沒有出事嗎 |
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那禁止對於發展觀光有什麼效度那如果我們用警示的話我們可以把海邊的管理從命令走向引導然後從禁止來走向提醒那因為你的那個命令禁止讓許多人還怨憂欲試尤其是各位可能在水上經常不是經驗太多但是我是經常在水上活動的那這樣子一個禁止反倒讓許多人懷疑而且還更 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 更生氣說到底有什麼樣子的原因我們必須被禁止所以我們這邊我這個提案最主要是更積極的一個管理許多人擔心這個修法對危險度的一個有沒有可能會造成這樣子的關係 |
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接下來那權責誰處理可是呢我們用禁止的一個狀態是不是我們只是做到我告訴你囉但是有什麼事情那到時候中央退給地方地方又退給中央我想這個部分不是一個基本來解決問題的一個態度所以違規行為的行為存在那如何讓這樣子一個管理的方式更有效度所以 |
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我並不是要降低法律的作用而是要提升法律的效度所以我們如果將禁止改為警示並適度的調整罰金不會因為所謂的罰金而導致更無謂的一個管理這個是我這一次這個修法最主要的一個目的好不好就以上的這個補充感謝大家 |
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好 謝謝林委員的說明那我們現在就進行合併的詢答先宣告以下事項第一 詢答時間初期委員5加2分鐘 列舉委員4加1分鐘第二 委員發言登記於10點30分截止本委員會除外第三 各委員如有臨時提案請於10點 |
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現在已經10點了10點30分之前提出以便議事人員會診第四暫定10點30分休息10分鐘第五中午原則上不休息現在就請登記第一位林國成委員發言 |
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好謝謝主席我們請交通部陳部長陳部長還有我們那個公路局陳局長陳局長還有我們林狐山林司長林司長 |
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好 部長早我想今天除了審查之外我們本會之委員也提了滿多針對這些加重末日等等這些加重華者加重華者等等這些提案那我想在這裡我特別要提醒部長 |
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也就是從這個問題在91年立法院就每一個會議交通委員會每一次都在談但是從91年到現在12年了問題都還沒有解決不但沒有解決問題更嚴重 |
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那這個問題出在哪裡呢是我們交通部的問題或者我們法規的問題或者警察執行不力的問題我說實在的我為什麼只請商會上來部長你要負政治責任 |
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那執行單位那個陳局長那規劃單位就是林司長所以我說實在所有問題就在我們交通部嘛要怎麼樣去做所以啊因為時間的關係第一個假車牌的問題的患難部長你應該很了解第二我就感覺到很奇怪啊從91年到現在 |
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已經經過日新夜異現在過去是隨隨便便91年就可以偽造現在不是部長現在在網路平台就可以去買到我也感覺到很奇怪難道你們都不知道嗎所以剛才各單位都已經講得很清楚每一年增加每一年增加雖然這個牌子 |
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車牌看起來似乎不重要但是不要忘了所有任何的刑事案件通通駕車牌來 |
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所以這還有交通安全這是很重要的所以作案也都是假車牌所以這個問題不要把它當成是一個小事我就感覺到很奇怪91年到現在從來都沒有改從來每一次提案你們都要修可是修到最後沒有辦法對症下藥這是我們交通部政策這個部分部長 |
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你認為本席提出這些給你的建言你認為從91年到現在12年都沒有辦法解決能不能在陳部長你的任內把他有一個有效嚇阻或者新的方法去做這些黃假車牌這個問題部長你的看法 |
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報告委員這個假車牌確實在這兩年變得特別嚴重那您剛剛所說的從91年開始就有這樣的問題那不過這兩年確實嚴重度也增加了那這個不只是影響到道路交通安全的問題還影響到治安的問題那我們也非常的重視所以當然我們現在 |
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在今年我們有跨部會、跨單位的這個查緝的作業也在做那也面對新的這個販賣的模式我們也在做因應包含公路局其實有做每一天有這個巡查機器人在網路上去巡查包含委員所提供的這個網路上有在賣車牌的我們每天都在巡查只要查到 |
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馬上就會交給執法單位馬上就移送請執法單位協助那是一方面那二方面其實今天我們在這邊報告的過程當中也提出了相當多的我們確實把罰則提到很高包含汽車的沒入的部分我們也都提出來了包含整個最高罰則可以到3萬6的部分我們會積極來做 |
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部長我們說實在的我們我們宴會裡面的同仁都已經提了這些就代表什麼就代表是真的有必要針對法的基礎上去做改變然後我們的黃換部分要去做創新所以我很簡單啊部長因為時間的關係今天看起來案子也蠻多的我也不要利用時間我給你建議啦 |
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有時候你們在編列預算到國外去考察我不曉得你們在考察什麼東西這才是真正要考察人家的做法借鏡國外即刻提升防衛你去看看人家先進國家我跟你講 |
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你雖然牌照看起來是一樣但是我警政單位只要一測就知道因為報私撤銷那個車牌我跟你講我一照就很清楚耶人家這些國外特殊的特殊的字體這很重要第二無線攝影頻道的技術 |
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第三、黃維晶片這些人家都在做阿那為什麼我們不做阿一直在講91年講到現在12年都沒有解決之道 |
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每一年就是在講這個假車牌的問題所以我說實在的我們當民意代表的人看到這樣我們以重心長不是說我們針對問題只有指責但是沒有建議那我們建議你們又不做 |
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這個假車牌所有問題你可以去看一看重大犯案通通都是假車牌而引起所以這些部長我真的非常以重心長的建議 |
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借重國外的技術人家是馬上可以看得出來的我警察機關只要一射我就知道你這個是假車牌人家都可以做為什麼我們不能做不要忘了我們的技術我們各方面 |
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都不亞於任何一個國家欸那為什麼我們都不做?就是因為我們不作為啦!保證!過去我對你做痛點的啦!委員長的建議非常的具體我也請公路局這邊大家研議一下怎麼樣讓他在防偽的這方面怎麼樣做提升這個部分確實是有需要的我們會盡量開除最後我要必須要去提醒部長啦吼無照駕駛的部分不是只有提高就可以解決 |
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這些要社會教育社會教育我們輔導的機制也是必用對 所以這些東西真的我還是希望希望部長在這個部分像黃偉這些技術不是不能做無照駕駛平船這個是非常嚴重你看看發生命案的都是無照駕駛有照駕駛最起碼的話他有交通交通的這些規則的基本觀念 |
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但是無照駕駛他不曉得啊這些東西真的要廣為宣傳然後然後這個部分加重其刑之外我說實在很多問題只要有刑責我告訴你現在喝酒酒駕 |
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造勢那不是很重的刑罰處罰嗎這些當然是有嚇阻作用雖然民主國家但是不能解決在這個部分真的一定要去做所以我最後還是要建議國外偽造的這些方法要盡快刻不容緩趕快研究去吸收不然我告訴你你們交通部所有的國外倉房我跟你講今年審議算我絕對把你們刪掉 |
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好 謝謝委員好 謝謝林國成委員接下來有請林沛翔委員發言好 謝謝主席有請交通部陳部長陳部長跟我們公路總、公路局的陳局長跟高工局的趙局長高工局趙局長 |
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部長、兩位局長我記得上次本席在質詢的時候因為基隆市有常態性塞車基隆市他們現在跟台北交接的國道1號上面有常態性塞車那時候交通部部長也跟盜運說要給本席說有關這個臨時入權撥用的這個study那現在我據我剛剛才看三分鐘之前現在基隆跟台北還在塞車那我想請問有關這個臨時如果遇到臨時入權 |
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需要解決交通問題請問這個研究報告做好了沒有?這個我上次有跟委員報告我們會來著手進行那這個部分是不是請局長來跟您回答跟委員報告因為現在的法令規定本來就有就是說塞子因為一般的客運他雖然有他行駛的路線 |
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不過就是說基本上在用塞或是事故然後這一條路線他已經阻塞了不能就是行駛的他當然可以就是說行駛其他的替代路線那這個部分的話法令有規定那我們也請客運業者就是提出就是說他們如果說在比如說這個高速公路有相關的一個用塞的話他比如說從國一改走國三或者是其他的一個路線這部分沒有問題好 那我希望未來這個SOP這個能夠盡快能夠越來越及時只要業者提出 |
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歐盟總人口多少人? |
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黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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東南亞的話我們是算新南向是18國那如果南亞是6國那這個部分只有講東南亞的話呢大概就是目前的差不多6億6億左右因為印度的話就已經佔了印度不算對印度跟東南亞是分開的因為我們的觀光政策來講現在是補助東南亞的旅客來台一個人5000塊應該超過6億了對超過6億 |
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那我們現在看到的就是說這就是本席很不能理解的地方歐盟4.5億那東南亞6億加起來差不多10.5億將近11億的人口那我們中間還要補助他們的這些來台的來台旅遊的費用那我們直接看到據我所知最新的報告差不多中國大陸將近14億人口對吧 |
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那我們很明顯的就是說我有點不太理解以商業的角度來看或發展產業的角度來看我們很直接的去掠過我們旁邊的14億人口的市場然後我們一天到晚想去拉至少要跟我們差不多16個小時以上的飛機或者是我們還要補貼人家5000塊的顧客來去衝我們現在的人數 |
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我如果看了沒有說因為這份報告這份都是目前我看到的報告我們現在報告已經跟我講說我們現在只要有從台灣到大陸的飛機載客率已經恢復到如同2019年的時候的將近八成的載客率是不是真的 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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但是我們目前的航班跟航點其實比過去是減少滿多這就是我等一下要提的東西不好意思部長既然您都講了因為我們現在在我現在看到的數字就是說我們現在差不多希望說我們今年能夠衝到1000萬人次不過目前來講我們差不多在750萬左右老實講現在已經是11月28號我們有很多很多的因素導致說我們現在這個回復到這個我記得沒有錯是2019年我們的人數是1184萬人次是史上最高 |
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可是如果說剛好也是輪受查了一下就是我們最高峰的時候光大陸的人次來到台灣就差不多418萬那如果跟現在750萬加起來剛好回到2019年那個時候當然2019年的時候那個大陸的旅客也沒有這麼多但是很明顯的就是說我們現在 |
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因為我們的專攻人數的不夠多所以我們現在實質上我們觀光產業的產值逆差高達7300億當然我們可以講說因為天災、因為颱風我們可以講很多理由但是我想請問署長我們是不是還要去爭取大陸旅遊客這塊市場跟委員報告一下2019年的時候入客是271 |
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那您剛剛那個數字是4年2015年418對但是我們在算的時候是這樣子就是我們歡迎各國來部長那個署長我只是想很單純說我們還不要爭取大陸大陸旅遊市場我們也歡迎啊也歡迎啊沒有說不歡迎啊 |
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那如果是這樣子的話我本席常常聽過一句話啦其實本席像不是預設立場的人我想部長可能很能夠理解那一句話叫戰爭是政治的延續而政治是為了經濟而服務到目前為止臺灣都希望能夠發展成為所謂的觀光大國 |
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因為觀光財基本上是成本目前我們知道除了不計垃圾跟社會成本之外觀光財應該是目前來講成本最少的財源所以說當我們的觀光業者我們要發展觀光大國但是我們很刻意的去忽略到全世界將近快五分之一的人口去忽略到這麼大一塊市場的時候那這樣其實對我們的觀光業者其實也難怪他們會叫苦連天啦 |
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所以這邊我會在這邊本席會建請我們的會強烈建議建請我們的觀光署甚至交通部來跟路委會來談一下有沒有可能只要恢復到在在這個疫情之前的直航點就好了 |
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像幾個點我就直接講像是說濟南、長沙、西安、合肥、南昌、天津、溫州等等這些都是在疫情前我們有的執行點這不是說我們現在去設新的航點而是疫情前我們就有執行點是不是能夠把它恢復我想部長跟署長認為呢 |
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是 這個部分我們的立場還是很希望能夠多一些觀光客來臺灣包含中國的觀光客我們也都很歡迎那不過飛航的部分其實有一些是商業上面的機制就是說它的需求有沒有到如果有到的時候業者就會提出申請那提出申請就看國安單位跟那個陸委會那邊他們的判斷那這個部分我們當然是希望說多一些人可以過來我們是非常歡迎的 |
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所以從交通部的觀點來講是樂觀其成對吧 |
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好那希望說我今天因為質詢都有都有在錄影都有在各方面都回答那我是認為是說與其一天到晚觀光業者不停的向我們請命說我們需要活下去我們需要活下去不如就是說明明那邊有一塊很大的市場那我們不去談然後我們一天到晚去找這東南亞的客人我們要付他200塊美金我覺得這個思維邏輯上好像哪裡不太對勁委員有一個釐清一下就是我們全球啊每個國家都有些優惠措施 |
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謝謝林沛江委員接下來有請李崑澤委員發言 |
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好 謝謝召委請一下陳部長還有林副山市長、陳文睿局長、趙新華局長還有周署長來 周署長 |
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好,部長我看我們偽造車牌它的逐年增加確實都是造成交通危害那當然數次會說話我們看到高工局統計疑似偽造車牌的車輛數以及通報的件數或者是因為偽造車牌被刑罰移送的件數跟人數或者是因為偽造車牌被盜交 |
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處理條例舉發的件數都以驚人的速度在增加那數字都整理在上面那 |
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在過去我也要求說我們針對防衛的技術要來進行強化以及進行加強防衛功能的可辨識性來減少相關的查緝的速度跟時間不過我們今天要更進一步具體的來做防制這種偽造車牌我三個這樣簡單的建議第一個部長我們還是要進行跨部會的合作 |
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警政署、交通部警政署以及財政部的官務署、數位部等等。那我們 |
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主委部要協助的是什麼協助這些網路的購買資訊的下降另外也加強巡查那對於財政部的關路署就是從曝光開始就要阻斷這些偽造車牌的流入那源頭的阻斷方面我們必須要強化車牌的環圍功能要持續精進相關的環圍的技術另外阻斷 |
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進外的邊境管制就是必須要增列專屬的進口貨品的分類號列加強進口貨品的查緝通報來溯源查緝另外阻斷網路資訊這是一個很重要的一個關鍵就是定期巡查網路的銷售的資訊 |
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下架包含網購的平台、社群的平台相關的車牌產品來部長你先簡單說明一下是報告委員您剛剛所說的每一項我們現在正在進行努力當中那等一下針對這個偽造的這個車牌防偽的部分我等一下請局長來回答那阻絕在境外的部分我們跟財政部有在合作那網路的部分我們也跟速發部也都有在合作所以我們現在每一天都有在巡查網路上只要巡查到我們就會拜託警政署 |
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協助那也會拜託這個速發部協助先讓他下架那下架的速度是請速發部那邊來協助那您剛剛所提到這個防偽的部分我是不是請局長先回答一下防偽的功能之前我們都有具體的建議時間的關係那我們再跟局長進行相關的討論那最主要的我們也必須要加強查緝強化車牌的防偽機制、辨識度 |
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二、董事長、董事長、董事長、董事長、董事長、董事長 |
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避免這種錯誤的舉發我們要保護受害者我們要來針對受害者免除他更換車牌的這一些製造費及行政費而且針對受害者進行重新的規則那對偽造車牌的犯罪人我們必須進行這樣的一個救責所以就他的一個責任這都是必須重要的一個工作來簡短的讓你來做說明 |
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保護受害者的部分我們目前也有在進行就是說免費換牌這是一個部分那另外一個部分當我們註記到確定他的號碼是被偽造的時候他的那個罰單罰則就不會隨便去處理我們一定會辨識過之後才會去處理好那接下來我要講的是觀光的議題部長我們達成旅客的人數今年的國際旅客人數本來是從一千萬 |
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黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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跟委員報告這個這個標準應該是可以突破這個標準可以突破這個不叫突破750萬還叫突破你今天是突破1200萬我要為你鼓掌說這是突破我們跟2019年所比較起來確實是有落差這個部分一定要再努力那我們到了上個禮拜的總人數 |
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國際旅客來的總人數已經超過去年一整年所以今年是比去年更加成長不過這個數字跟2019年比起來世界各國都是跟疫情之前來做比較部長你不能用2024再比2023耶當然當然我要說的是說比去年進步但我們跟2019年比起來這個社會大眾是無法接受這樣的一個對比我們成長的速度還是比日台差距很大部長我們來做一個對比啊國際旅客的人次恢復的狀況啊 |
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我們跟其他國家來比是遙遙的這個落後這個沒有錯 這個確實是落後我們要再加起來2024年1月到8月台灣旅客的人次對比2019的這個同期日本旅客來台灣的減少了40%韓國旅客來台灣減少了14%那韓國旅遊局他們的旅遊發展局有做統計 |
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今年8月對比2019年同期旅客總人次減少2%而已日本返航的旅客平均都已經恢復到93%以上那日本觀光廳也有做統計今年1到9月對比2019年他們同期增長了10% |
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而且韓國訪日的旅客增加了31%人家做這樣的成績那個才有臉去說這是突破了另外我們來看聯合國的世界旅遊組織的報告2024年1月到7月國際旅客大概是7.9億人次已經達到疫情之前的水準96% |
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日本出入境統計2024年18月日本出國人次對比2019年同期是減少了4%那臺灣的整體國際旅客整體減少了38%保證這很嚴重的數字另外日本的旅客來臺灣的減少了40% |
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這都是非常嚴重啦!UN Twitter 的統計裡面其實它有很多跨國界的所以短途旅遊的部分其實是有增加那總數來講部長我們成績不好啦我們國內的旅遊品質不佳啦我們的這樣的一個價格對比國際啊 |
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沒有顯著的競爭力那我們來看觀光署的統計一至八月我們出國的人次達到1138萬人次國家風景區的旅客人次減少了26%全國觀光旅館的租用率大概全國平均大概是59%而已 |
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那我們看到臺灣到韓國的機票這麼便宜對比我們自己國內的旅遊品質以及我們的價格我們是毫無競爭力我們看來討論這個原因就是第一個品質不佳第二個價格對比沒有競爭力而且沒有有效的去推動我們觀光產業的轉型這很可惜這四年來一再的提醒我們 |
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交通部、觀光局跟觀光署的這樣的一個過程裡面我們不能只是補助業者補助業者只是幫助業者還有從業人員度過難關而已你真正重要的是推動觀光的轉型你要打造特色文化區域的旅遊品牌而且要做交通的整合跟改善服務另外你也必須做到資訊多元的友善服務 |
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我看在多年前我就有建議2020年3月我就有建議說我們必須要建立多語言的制定行程規劃的系統 |
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那當時韓國的旅遊局跟旅遊公社的網站也沒有類似的功能那2020年3月我跟交通部提質詢的時候提當時韓國也沒有但是現在2023年韓國旅遊局他們旅遊發展局都已經有這樣的網站了 |
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那我們官方轉型這4年都沒有具體的成績部長我們疫情期間日本他們推動這種數位的轉型資訊的整合人才的培訓還有相關的交通的整合跟品質的改善我們卻連一個網站都做不出來 |
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報告委員這個資訊上面台灣沒有道理做得比其他國家更慢沒錯所以這個部分確實應該要加強我們還是數位科技大國如果韓國做得到台灣也一定做得到我所知道現在觀光署有做一部分但不夠好不夠好、不夠完善、不夠完整這個部分一定要加強因為時間的關係我也不好意思再拖太久時間我最後簡單的 |
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五大面向的簡單的建議第一個要強化培訓地方自治團體的參與署長要多跟地方來對話溝通然後建立可持續性的觀光模式不是只靠補助要建立區域的旅遊品牌加強套裝旅遊的路線另外要強化人才的培訓數位整合這個是很重要交通的銜接跟資訊的透明化 |
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這個都必須要趕快連一個網站都弄不出來我們要做什麼國際旅客的這樣的一個推動旅遊呢?謝謝委員這個我們都持續在做然後我們有一個博覽會也是把AI跟旅行業把它做一些結合我們希望能夠把產業能夠提升成績趕快拿出來了好不好? |
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好 謝謝李昆哲委員先做以下宣告因為今天有臨時提案我們待會在徐富奎委員發言完畢之後處理臨題好 接下來請徐富奎委員發言 |
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謝主席,有請我們陳部長還有公路局陳局長陳局長還有林福山市長,謝謝好,市長 |
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部長、局長、市長早安我想今年偽造的車牌的案件確實明顯增加截至今年10月就高達1012件比去年的251件高出數倍甚至在8月份就高達200多件這很恐怖我想這個偽造車牌的不是只有單單的一個管理的問題更是造成社會的治安跟所謂的一個交通的安全的問題部長認同嗎? |
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是我非常認同這個道路安全是一方面那另外我們看到很多的案件都是跟治安相關的所以這也造成了治安方面的漏洞所以我們現在很積極在努力包含這個源頭的管制包含跨機關的查緝那包含我們現在正在著手要修法加重罰則 |
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好,部長我想我們現在也是積極在做這樣的一個危機處理啦我們把所謂的一個道路交通管理處法條例的一個罰金提高到三萬六千元然後並採取沒入跟銷毀一個車輛的一個措施但是這樣子的一個做法部長認為有足夠的嚇阻作用嗎? |
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我覺得把罰則提高當然會有一些嚇阻作用出來但是更重要的是源頭的管理就是讓它偽造的車牌沒有辦法進來這個部分我們也跨部會正在努力當中還有就是執法的部分我們也在跨部會努力當中 |
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當然這個分成兩個層面一個是民眾有惡意去購買可能做一些危害治安的行為另外一個可能有一些無辜的百姓鄉親他們並不曉得這個嚴重性所以我們怎麼樣除了在所謂的一個積極的一個處罰的這個層面上面怎麼樣針對這個一個法規的一個宣導包含提醒是不是觸及到所謂一個偽造特種文書件的一個 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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這邊我還是要提醒部長這個事情不是只有交通部的事情他必須要跨部會來整合包含我想這個背後這是一個很龐大一個非法的供應鏈從製造進口到網路銷售甚至這平台都看得到都買得到怎麼樣跨部會來做整合怎麼樣提出一個對策部長是不是有什麼樣可以提出一個具體的一個方式措施 |
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跨部會的整合的部分一直在進行當中,包含財政部也幫忙在這個源頭阻斷的部分,讓它進口沒有辦法進來,在海關的部分先阻斷。那速發部也協助我們在網路的平台上面如何讓它下架。那當然查緝的部分內政部警政署也相當的幫忙,在查緝的部分他們也跟我們合作,我們聯合在查緝有做偽造車牌的這個部分。 |
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本席還是要提醒這個上有政策下有對策當我們在做一些政策的時候犯罪說法又在日新月異像我這幾天我在高速公路上面其實不是只有偽造車牌甚至我們現在有些車子它的車牌上面給你裝LED燈或是做一些什麼樣的處理讓你快速都拍不到這個真的很多很多 |
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日新月異的手法我想這也必須我們的公路局跟相關警政組單位要來看怎麼樣來做這樣的一個查緝尤其高速公路非常的危險是不是在所謂的一個我們的一個公路警察局的還有包含我們國道警察隊的部分怎麼樣來做一個巡訪的處理 |
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那另外針對我剛剛有看到我們的報告裡面有提到無照駕駛這個部分那當然我覺得我們現在尤其偏鄉面臨一個問題就是所謂的一個未成年的一個無照駕駛跟老年人口的事故我想上次部長到屏東的時候我們也特別提到我們現在的路越開越大條大家速度都很快那尤其有一些交叉路口 |
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一些老人家經常就造成所謂的A1事故那我想除了這個事故之外那其實最大的一個問題你在於所謂的一個交通的一個普及性的一個不足啦公共運輸的部分要來加強是我想包含我們剛剛有提到不管是幸福巴士也好、小房公車也好甚至火車的一個通行的頻率你沒有這個大眾運輸的普及大家出門我就騎摩托車方便嘛 |
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但方便的時候就造成事故的明顯的增加這是一個很重要的一個點那尤其有些學生、家長、小孩子怕他坐公車坐不住所以他只好讓他買摩托車讓他去騎不用駕照啊才能造成事故啊 |
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這部分我們怎麼樣去加強這個部分一方面我們會加強輔導對於年長者或者是未成年未成年當然我們就列管希望他透過教育的方式希望他們家長要負起責任不要讓他做這樣的行為那對於年長者我們會輔導他盡量去考照那另外就是委員您剛剛所關注的幸福巴士的部分還有公共運輸的部分我們目前在偏鄉的部分我們盡量去加強就是說盡量在補助的方面做足一點讓他的路線、路網可以更廣服務到所有的鄉親 |
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是我覺得越普及大家就會越使用大眾運輸工具這是一定的啦是啊你估計一、兩間房間一房車什麼人要坐的金額就沒辦法支付嘛所以這個部分我們會優化到時候他叫車的模式叫車的模式如果可以用預約的他就不用用等車的方式小黃公車是對我們目前看起來是最好的一個方式是是是而且跟這個老人家又很貼近 |
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是 所以我們現在大力在推廣這方面那就拜託部長這邊能夠再積極來輔導我們屏東縣政府能夠強化這個這樣的一個普及率那另外我們小琉球是一個我們現在很重要的一個旅遊的一個景點那我想關公署這個大棚管理處 |
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比較遺憾的啦因為現在小琉球其實觀光署沒做什麼事情就將近有200萬的人會過去小琉球這個比常住人口還多但是很遺憾的現在目前面臨所謂的一個交通跟停車的一個嚴重的不足那尤其這個我們的目前的碼頭這個 |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健豪等17人、 五、黃健 |
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這也走無旁貸啦這搭配觀光的部分怎麼樣配合我們航港局做一個規劃是不是請署長說明一下對跟委員報告這個部分我們除了航港局的協助興建一些部分的停車空間之外其實我們也跟縣政府充分合作我們也希望這個島是一個綠色島我們希望以後的話能夠只有電動機車 |
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因為我們覺得這個燃油的機車其實對這個島嶼的破壞是蠻大的但是還有一些相關的法令我們跟環境部在討論這應該要積極輔導啦因為畢竟這個琉球的這個整個生態保育我想也是一條路路形態很多都用汽機車的所以這部分還是要請部長這邊再積極來處理 |
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好,那最後一個我想肯定的一個觀光困境這個剛剛我們李委員他們有講這個除了國外人口這個國外旅遊人口銳減之外連這個國旅真的也是肯定的痛明顯明顯非常的下降截至目前為止只有剩下185萬的人次就要去年這個大幅減少了將近140萬人那剩下一個多月署長我想你經常提到的微笑曲線是我想這個 |
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想法都很好啦但是執行面真的我們要去思考一下我們不只是在地的觀光業者苦不堪言甚至這些社區我想這個未來有沒有積極一個機會能夠跟他們合作讓他們藉由一些生態旅遊達到環境保護的一個目標也可以創造一些的一個商機這部分是不是我們來重新來檢討一下 |
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跟委員報告我們除了這個恆春配合恆春150週年之外我們覺得尤其是屏南的部分應該成立一個專案這個部分應該把墾丁拉進來我們會跟那個墾管處一起還有這個國家公園署我們覺得這件事情它涉及到兩個層面一個就是將這個秩序把它做得更安全更有品質 |
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也就是品質的部分應該要確保那第二個部分才是怎麼去隱刻怎麼讓它去有更有系統化的這些活動能夠按照這樣子一個發展去做一些隨意的活動這兩個部分我們會用專業的方式來做處理我們必要的時候我們會可以請警察單位來參與 |
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好 那我想恆春建成150週年是明年很重要的一個活動那我想藉由這個機會我們再請跨部會來重新盤點包含我們的內政部也好、交通部也好相關部會重新來檢視一下墾丁這個恆春半島這個國家公園到底有什麼樣新的一些特色或是一些新的玩法我想不要讓人覺得來坤町就是整個地方在玩而已 |
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不會有新的刺激我想部長也才能下去嘛一定要有真的要有新的規劃新的策略新的深度旅遊那甚至我覺得連這個我們未來這個高鐵這個搭配一些活動部分怎麼樣拉到這個恆春半島我覺得有很多的面向一起來努力啦那未來我想肯定是一個這個台灣的一個很重要的一個旅遊資源那也希望藉由這樣的一個處理能夠讓更多人來到屏東看見屏東的美好謝謝 |
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好 謝謝委員好 謝謝許委員我們現在處理臨時提案請總共只有一案請議事人員宣讀臨時提案一假車牌問題犯難交通部以表決心將重罰整頓交通部首要職務再積極盤點全國路段 |
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現屬之何以設置以達致保障用路人人身安全並同時對車輛扣牌案件進行更具效率之掌控進而緩解假車牌倉局以自不利主管機關管理之窘境公路局曾於2023年辦理道路數限定並原則委託研究案 |
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此項研究案與我國假車牌犯案問題關聯至深。交通部應盡數辦理並對外報告結果。針對上開事項,交通部應於一個月內向提案委員及立法院交通委員會提出書面報告詳載假車牌與全國各路段速限檢討之問題。提案人委員徐富奎等。宣讀完畢。好,請問委員有沒有補充說明?來,徐委員。 |
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好 謝謝主席我想今天我跟林議警委我們幾個委員提這個案子就是針對我們現在因為我們現在的道路的這個開闢都很筆直然後又很大條所以尤其在樹線上面往往有時候從70、80公里一下子降到40、50公里這個一不小心就會造成很多的一個違規事件然後甚至造成很多的一些問題也造成很多的民怨 |
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那針對這個部分公路局在去年曾經訂一個委託案但到目前為止還沒有一個具體的一個結果那所以本期這邊要求是不是我們交通部在一個月之內針對這個規劃案的處理情形向我們交通委員會提出一個書面報告那也詳載所謂一個假車牌跟各路段的一個速限的一個檢查問題以上補充 謝謝 |
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好的 謝謝許委員那我們行政機關有沒有意見回饋是沒有 我們交通部遵照辦理遵照辦理是不是是好那針對於我們這個臨時提案我們就照案通過好 沒有問題的話我們臨時提案處理完畢如果有委員對上述提案補簽列入記錄並刊登公報繼續請陳素月召委發言 |
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呃,待會陳樹葉召委發言完畢之後休息10分鐘。謝謝主席。請主席邀請陳部長。陳部長。 |
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部長早安今天委員會是針對偽造車牌還有無照駕駛的一個專報我們看到有關偽造車牌的案件數根據統計我們看到近5年來的偽造件數 |
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黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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有可能是就是酒駕被吊銷之後的或者是說販毒的發墜集團或者是車手等等他們會來購買這樣子的一個偽造的一個車牌所以也造成了這個整個治安或者甚至是其他用路人的一個安全的一個威脅所以在這個部分 |
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當然就是也牽涉到警政署還有我們交通部都要一起來合作那就我們交通部的部分我們對於偽造車牌這樣子的一個狀況我們目前的一個防範措施是什麼是不是可以請部長先講一下報告委員我們第一個措施是針對源頭管制的部分我們請財政部包含在海關的部分來協助我們然後還有就是網路的部分讓民眾不容易取得這樣子的偽造車牌因為大家都知道說現在 |
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數位平台發達很多人的偽造車牌都是從網路上面所以我們也請訴發部有在協助我們在做下架的部分那這個部分當然我們自己公路局每一天都在網路上面巡查每一天都巡查巡查到的時候有那個網路的程式機器人程式在巡查巡查到馬上就會送警政機關那移送警政機關以外我們也請訴發部來協助那是源頭的部分那另外 |
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跨機關的查緝我們也跟警政署大家聯手在做查緝包含高工局包含公路局包含警政署的部分我們大家配合在查緝那第三個部分是針對這個罰則的加重我們現在正在努力當中我們大概這一兩天就會送到行政院把我們的版本送到行政院之後那行政院大概在一個月之內我們希望在這個會期能夠完成整個罰則加重的這個修法的程序 |
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是,剛剛部長有提到就是源頭的管理嘛所以剛剛您講的那個都是就是相關的一個措施那其中還有一個就是防偽的一個設計嘛這部分我在上一次就是其實好像在上個月也有質詢這個議題那時候應該公路局有回覆說我們就是會有一些防偽的一個技術 |
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來防治這個不法集團的一個偽造、變造這個車牌。那我們也看到最近的新聞就這個月初就我們就看到了說我們查獲的這個車牌已經出現了說這個不法集團他們也可以偽造這個梅花烙印甚至是這個車牌背面的防偽雷雕的車號 |
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所以他們的技術也是一直在升級耶所以我們的這樣的防偽的技術好像快跟不上了 |
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當然他們防偽技術在升級我們的防偽技術也要升級所以請局長我們有什麼樣的升級措施各位報告我們現在其實這一個車牌的方位其實是多道的其實它有好幾種包括自體包括材質包括厚薄包括雷射包括前後面所以其實有好幾道其實就是說這個不法集團其實 |
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這一個偽造的這個部分其實我們還是可以辨別出來是真或假當然就是說因為有一些的這一個真偽的部分它其實是比較細所以就是說有些還要用一些設備所以我們大概在明年度包括檢證署也有給我們一些建議我們會再召集相關機關對於就是說車牌的防偽的功能的提升我想我們在明年度的車牌設計上面還會再做相關的一個規劃是 就是車牌的設計那有沒有考慮就是加晶片的這樣的一個方法 |
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這個部分會納入考量不過就是說目前其實包括就是像高雄局它ETC通過的有一些就是說這一個屬於這個不適當的一些就是說車牌或偽造車牌的部分其實它ETC的有一些資訊其實都有回饋到我們監理跟警察機關我們也都有相關來查緝 |
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是,好,那就是剛剛部長有提到就是我們目前也有提出道教條例的相關的一個修法,就是要加重罰款嘛,那本席也有提案,那就是針對第12條之一就是有針對這個使用偽造、變造或者是就是冒領的這個車牌、牌照,我們就是要 |
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來加重他的一個罰則那我提的是罰款是比較重一點那另外我也有主張說希望就是累犯的話要把那個車輛直接沒入我們新的修法裡面也有包含沒入車輛也有這樣子的一個主張我們會直接沒入不用累犯就直接就沒入就直接沒入那我們也是希望就是說就是針對這個偽造車牌的這樣子一個犯案的一個形態能夠多管齊下然後 |
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二指將指的一個犯罪數的一個成長另外我們針對就是有關無照駕駛的這個部分我們也看到最近就是說幾件因為無照駕駛所以造成釀造這個悲劇的一個狀況就是讓我們也覺得非常的就是感覺說這也是一個對用路人一個很大的一個安全上的一個威脅那我們看到無照駕駛其實有幾個樣態就是 |
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就是年紀大的長輩或者是未成年的還有包括就是吊銷駕照的所以這個部分因為我們目前交通部也是有要加重這個罰則那我們大概是會怎麼樣的一個修法 |
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我請市長回答這個部分跟委員報告一下就是說滑緩的部分的話就是比照無形駕駛有2萬4提高到這一個3萬6那另外一個部分的話因為無照駕駛必須要有車輛的取得所以對於汽車所有人部分連帶處罰包括牌照一個月提高到3個月3個月提高到6個月6個月提高到 |
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8066.976 |
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副副副副副副副副副 |
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這個目錄所以大概從法令的部分從這幾個部分那另外一個部分大家比較關切的未成年無照駕駛跟這個高齡者的部分的話另外有這個加強輔導這個變形的一些這個機制來做一個處理 |
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是,我們也看一下就是說我們看到近5年的那個無照駕駛的那個舉發件數那在整個就是累計5年的舉發件數高達67萬多那累犯的這個人的話是26萬多人次那我們光今年1到10月份就有22萬多人次那這邊我想在 |
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就是請教的部分就是說剛剛我提到就是無照駕駛的三個樣態可是他們無照駕駛還有就是有點區別就是說汽車的無照駕駛跟機車的無照駕駛那剛剛市長回覆的這個加重罰則的部分我們有沒有差別 |
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那是汽車﹖針對機車﹖跟我的報告是有差別因為這次就是只提高這個上限沒有去動下限那基本上就是考慮到這個汽機車的這個種類不一樣那另外無照駕駛可能發生這一個事故跟沒發生事故的情節也會不一樣所以這次針對這個提高這個上限的部分就是針對大家認為惡性重大然後可能要提高罰款的部分來做處理這個下限沒有動所以是還有一個 |
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就是對於車輛種類﹖對,汽機車其實到時候裁罰的時候會有一個差別,汽機車會有一個差別。就是有一個彈性的空間。是。是。是。好,那謝謝部長。謝謝委員。好,謝謝陳書悅、昭偉。我們現在休息10分鐘。 |
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二、倫敦縣縣縣縣縣縣縣縣縣縣縣縣縣 |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17 |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 |
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委員會裡面做一些修法的工作當然也就希望未來在交通上面不要再發生不幸的事件那昨天所發生的不幸的事件我們知道是大型車輛那對於大型車輛的管制其實有都在做進行另外就是查核的部分就是T查的部分的部分段也是在加強當中那我們昨天看到的不幸的事件我們看到第一排的這個公車其實大型的那個駕駛員其實沒有擋車而且他有做檢查確認那這也是我們公路局所要求的 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 |
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對 這方面的道路的標線跟標誌的指引我們希望能夠在11月提出來那我們希望未來人體的臺灣的所有的道路的標準跟標線可以更加的安全而且針對行人讓行人可以更加的安全這是我這一次要修改的重點那整體的整套的方案跟未來的指引希望在11月確定出來所有的縣市跟所有的單位可以來遵循使用 |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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當然未來會加強查緝啦對於這個造車牌我們只是加強查緝針對罰則的部分大家也有知道我們罰則的部分只要到三萬元除此之外我們也會針對車輛做末路的部分那所以我提醒到所有的民眾不要去使用樓上的車牌未來的罰則會非常的重會非常的重甚至連車輛都必須要末路這是我們希望能夠達到特殊的作用 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 ﹐委員黃健豪等17人、 ﹐委員黃健豪等17人、 ﹐委員黃健豪等17人、 ﹐委員黃健豪等17人、 ﹐委員黃健豪等17人、 ﹐委員黃健豪等17人、 ﹐委員黃健豪等17人、 ﹐委員黃健豪等17人、 ﹐委員黃健豪等17人、 ﹐委員黃健豪等17人、 ﹐委員黃健豪等17人、 ﹐委員黃健豪等17人、 ﹐委員黃健豪等17人、 ﹐委員黃健豪等17人、 ﹐ |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17 |
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平等、不外乎其他車輛輸出的情況那對於那大型客車的這個駕駛部分還在訓練與修修其實我們認為只要對用戶人來講安全能夠提升是我們能夠還是做得到包含未來提招的部分是不是應該要再更落實或者是說再更加強你加強什麼樣的觀念讓駕駛者可以更落實、讓車輛更安全這部分我們會回來加強請問 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 |
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二、倫敦縣縣縣縣縣縣縣縣縣縣縣 |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17 |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 |
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二、倫敦縣縣縣縣縣縣縣縣縣縣縣縣縣縣縣縣縣縣縣縣縣縣 |
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二、審查 ﹖二、審查 ﹖二、審查 ﹖二、審查 ﹖二、審查 ﹖二、審查 |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健 |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17 |
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黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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好,謝謝主席喔,那我們先請交通部陳部長陳部長呃,跟欸?今天觀光局署長,觀光署署長周署長 |
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好 部長早 署長早首先針對我們還是針對旅館業的部分當然今天會有一個要來審查所謂旅館的這個相關的條例那我想確認一下這旅館業裡面這管理規則部分對於消防的法規的部分的設置標準相對一般住宅是比較高的那我想問一下這個署長 |
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過去這些年包含這次所謂列管的這些項目裡面不管是相關大樓也好或是救國團或各項這個活動中心等等的這個列管的這些案例裡面有些過去幾年它通過了那還有一些還沒有通過那我想問一個核心問題在所謂在列管的這些這個住宿型的這個單位裡面他們的消防法規有沒有定期去檢查有沒有符合這個消防的規範 |
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一般來講都是由地方政府去執行那麼都應該要有符合那沒有符合的話地方政府直接開罰了所以第二個部分是應該說他的這個會館的部分跟旅行旅館業的部分大概應該要分開來看待是這樣子 |
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那對旅館業委員所指教的旅館業的部分不管是觀光旅館或是飯店一般旅館跟這個所謂的這個民宿我們都有執行對當然我說今天旅館比如說觀光旅館一般旅館或者是這種民宿有所謂的消防法規嘛那也是規你們在處理那地方政府會查驗他們都合格這沒問題我現在講的是你們列館的所謂的像剛剛提到的在今天修法裡面主要談到的像這個會館 |
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運動活動中心的活動中心、救國團、然後還有強靠大樓等等的這些他依然有提供住宿那提供住宿這些機構他的這個消防法規有沒有符合相關規範還是沒有符合所以沒有通過問題是這個 |
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我們只主管這個公安旅館跟旅館一般旅館跟民宿那其他的話就要按照相關的法令譬如說香客的部分那當然是內政部在主管所以這個部分應該是都在執行應該都沒有什麼問題 |
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那所以你意思是說像香客大樓它的消防法規有沒有符合可不可以住宿的規範不歸你們處理是不是因為它沒有營業的行為如果營業的行為就屬於我們的規範如果它沒有營業的行為的話那當然就是按照一般的權責單位來做管理 |
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好 謝謝署長那接下來我們討論其他的問題這個觀光逆差的部分我想去年有推估去年是逆差超過1400億元那今年預估會達到7300億元那主要原因我們連接一些社群的民調最主要原因大家認為說國內的住宿成本高是主要原因那再來是國外旅遊比台灣便宜那第三個原因是因為國內缺乏新的或新一年的景點所以導致我們這個觀光客逐年 |
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二、副副副副副副副副副 |
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其實你看前幾個基本上幾個原因都跟錢就很大很大的關係基本上價錢占了最大原因不管是出租成本還是國外旅遊比較便宜或是國內的物價過高等等它都涉及到錢的問題所以我不知道到底交通部跟觀光署面對我們觀光衰退這部分你們有什麼樣的解決方案 |
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這有兩個結構性的問題就是第一個就是現在出國的話大概就是國外啊國跟國之間大概都是航空的費用成本是比較高的那住宿的部分呢在台灣的結構來看我們是看國旅的部分 |
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國旅分兩個,一個是平日、一個是假日。現在的假日台灣的形態已經是五、六日了。平日是星期一到星期四。如果說平均房價來看,這個部分我們可以看起來跟差異性不大。 |
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但是因為我們現在旅遊的形態做改變所以在國旅的部分大概一日遊佔了我們的70%所以我們一直希望國內旅遊能夠增加住宿主長這個先打斷你一下你剛剛說到這個飛機票問題我想 |
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如果飛機票成本太高我想那是全球的問題不會只有台灣飛出國外的問題但是很顯然是我們出國的人是很多其他國家到其他國家的人數也很多唯獨其他國家來台灣旅遊的人數變少問題在這邊所以我想歸咎於機票成本成長我覺得不是主因啦 |
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那國內輸出成本的問題也是需要說這個交通部或觀光署啊你們應該去協調不管勞動部也好或經濟部也好其實到底成本成本一定很多原因造成的嘛不是只有不是只有補助可以解決的那到底成本為什麼為什麼會過高你們有沒有找過各單位來來瞭解過還是就是一直發發有一個部分是地價稅跟房屋稅那個逐年都增加的那因為是地方稅那這個對旅館來講他的成本確實是墊高 |
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那這就你們要去找相關單位來協調嗎?什麼時候會找他們來協調?我們持續都在討論什麼時候?有嗎?你們有開過那次的會議嗎?針對房價的部分我們可以專案來開一個會什麼時候?那我們也提供一個網站就是評價的這個我們叫旅宿網然後有些比較優惠的評價其實都在那邊我覺得你現在講的是治標啦就是說第一時間我提供這樣就像之前物價上漲的時候提供一個所謂 |
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有些比較便宜的網站或便宜的特別區域但是整體的如果你像提到說你的稅的問題也好或是人事成本的成長也好他是整體的嘛你看到偶爾短期促銷我可以提供便宜的給你沒錯但長期來講你整個成本還是高的啊所以今天要問的是說有沒有機會找各單位來 |
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委員在指示的應該是針對整個旅宿的業者他們的成本如何降低那這個部分有關於跨部會的部分我們是不是最近趕快來啟動幾個部分一個部分包含勞動成本一個部分包含剛剛署長署報告的就是針對稅的部分的成本這個部分看要怎麼降低這個部分我們來協助旅宿業者讓他能夠降低成本這是一方面那二方面其實台灣目前確實五六日假日的房價確實是相對比較高 |
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那一到四是相對是比較低的那大家很習慣都是五六日出遊所以當然是價格比較高不過我們現在還是有一些比較平價的旅館平價的飯店那這個部分我有請觀光署我們大家來整合一下怎麼讓民眾去了解或者是去取得到這個比較平價旅館的一些訊息讓他們如果假日要出遊不一定只有貴的旅館他們有一些平價的旅館可以去這個部分的資訊我們應該要趕快提供給民眾 |
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好 謝謝部長請你們要盡快的來處理這個很嚴重的問題不然這是其實衝擊到的是很龐大的就業市場不是只有旅館業而已因為觀光帶來的是周邊很多的效應不是只有住宿而已所以這部分要請你們盡快處理那再來就是今天也要談到這個所謂假車牌的問題我也是感謝交通部這兩天有新聞看得出來你們從善如流願意來採納相關的修法建議那當然這道理 |
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從過去幾年下來這個假車牌今年突然暴增我想問一下交通部有沒有掌握到底什麼原因導致今天假車牌的原因增加這麼多 |
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假車牌增加的原因幾個方面一方面是針對這個偽造的技術跟偽造的可以買賣的這個平台大家現在日新月異那二方面呢可能是因為這個被扣牌照的數字其實有提升這個部分確實有提升但民眾被扣牌照之後又希望使用那台車子所以他就會來買賣這個所謂的假車牌 |
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當然我們今天提出修法希望說能夠去阻斷說假車牌的問題因為交通有交通問題但是我們剛剛在提案說明的時候也提過了其實最核心的是治安問題當然我們希望說治安當然用治安方式來解決就當然說沒路車輛但是我們還是希望交通部去想一下到底從去年到今年為什麼假車牌你剛剛提到的假車牌的數量為什麼突然暴增這麼多去年就幾百件耶今年已經破千了那這原因到底是什麼是因為交通法規的改變所以導致很多人被扣牌 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 |
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還有很多一般的有一些人他不是真的他要犯罪他就是他就是要開車但他的車牌被扣了那到底為什麼車牌被扣我是希望說交通部能夠去檢討一下去想一下什麼原因導致這個車牌被扣那這個原因到底出在哪裡交通部目前有研究過嗎這個部分是不是請市長 |
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這部分跟委員報告一下當然就是使用這個假車牌的部分兩個部分嘛這個叫做那個牌照被吊扣、吊銷或塑銷那另外一個部分就是蓄意可能從事犯罪行為的那個部分那針對這個吊扣、吊銷牌照這個部分那吊扣的部分有一大部分是來自於車輛遇檢的部分所以剛剛委員有提到針對如何讓車主依照規定來這個定期檢驗這個是一個後面要去加強的 |
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董事長、董事長、董事長、董事長 |
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局長這邊還是提供啦後續提供給本席說到底你們分析說到底這今年跟去年差別在哪裡那為什麼今年成長這麼多這個是最主要原因那最後最後我們還是堅持說這個本來上次質詢的時候就提了原來的法則裡面就有末路車輛那我想問一下現在的執行所謂末路車輛會不會有困難 |
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就是懸掛假車牌、偽造車牌跟委員報告應該沒有困難好 那我們就確定的執行好不好是好 謝謝好 謝謝黃健豪委員接下來有請林俊憲委員發言好 謝謝主席本席邀請我們交通部陳部長好 陳部長 |
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部長你好部長你新上任是所以我覺得民生第一我都跟你討論一些關於我們交通上影響最多民眾的我今天要跟你講的是前幾天發生了一個不幸車禍台中的公車撞死了東海大學的一位女學生是那司機說因為天色太暗他只看到兩個黑影然後就撞到了 |
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另外在很多次的車禍發生的時候駕駛經常在他口述、口供裡面他都會講是行人突然間竄出來台灣被稱為行人地獄我們來看看那什麼樣的狀況下是行人最危險的時候我說的是一天的時段 |
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夜間真的最危險數字會我提供給部長當參考最近5年多來行人因交通事故而死亡最多的都是在晚上6點到清晨6點就是下半天黑夜的時候行人最危險 |
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那黑夜的時候為什麼最危險有可能是開車人不守規矩但是只要我這裡統計的是A1的交通事故你看白天跟黑夜其實照理講白天車輛是最多因為大家上下班那為什麼到晚上的時候反而行人致死是白天至少50%到一倍兩倍差別非常大 |
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所以台灣的夜晚是行人地獄裡面最恐怖的時候來 我們來看一下你看 這黑夜白天差多少來 下一張你這樣看得到嗎 沒中這瓶 有 有看到你看得到不是 這麼暗的天的狀況下你過網路安全嗎你開車都不一定看得到斑馬線 |
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這張是不是很亮是抱歉 這不是台灣這是韓國你在國外只要是有行人穿越八馬線的部分它的照明一定是特別加強一定特別加強政府為了解決所謂行人地域花了多少錢花了幾百億去改善所謂的危險道路危險路口光線這種光線那當然危險你要知道 |
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我們法律上啊行人的光線啊人行道的光線是有規定的喔部長我給你一個參考交通規則規範這是我們交通部自己訂的行人穿越道照明標準有在寫沒在做我們照講行人穿越道的光線啊你是要達到一定的亮度啦結果都沒有啦 |
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你看一看你是不是應該做一個總檢討啊否則啦回到上一頁你說說看這個顯不合理的分配啦每一年啊那麼多新人死亡啊他的時間啊都集中在反而車輛比較少的晚上然後肇事者經常最常講的就是說他看不清楚了人突然間竄出來了 |
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包括前幾天發生的臺中公車撞死大學生也是這樣子有一件車禍也很出名啊就我們的賴世保委員啊他不是撞到人那媒體不知道怎麼樣把他的行車紀錄器拖出來坦白講喔那看起來真的是很黑暗賴委員他也這麼講賴世保委員也這麼講他說那個光線不是很清楚他沒有看得很清楚 |
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所以我現在請交通部你既然有訂這樣一個規範交通工程規範行人穿越到照明標準那你叫照做那我再給你再給部長一個參考你在國外除了光線以外你車輛要到那個人行道你要讓它減速台灣完全沒有這樣一個設計你怎麼讓它減速呢最容易做的就是用物理性的東西 |
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就所謂的緩速道、緩速台來讓車輛減低速度了我再給你看一下一個是韓國的這個是新加坡的韓國的車輛你要來到人行道它一定會經過一個緩速台就是會讓你的車輛不得不減速 |
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然後我們台灣在過斑馬線因為我都從高雷站我都是習慣走路到立法院來我每次要走人行道我每次要走斑馬線我一定要從人行道跳下來 |
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因為人行道比較高嘛斑馬線比較低嘛是不是如果嬰兒推車你要推推或是你拿貨物要過斑馬線你要先從人行道跳下來才能走斑馬線你看國外都不會有這個問題新加坡、日本他們都把人行道稍微做高啦做高喔因為它旁邊要做緩速台那人行道做高第一個 |
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也幫忙先做高你從人行道走下來不必有跳下來的感覺啦比較安全以外你人你走也走比較遠啦因為他有一個他等於有一點高度嘛所以駕駛也比較容易看到那裡有行人但是我們這邊沒有啦台灣只會教育行人你出門要穿亮色衣服這什麼 這多愚蠢的建議啊 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 |
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兩邊要做緩速台,讓車輛經過它的時候,強迫它一定要減速。受理的工委,你看你的行人死在人行穿越道,案件有減少嗎?都沒有嗎? |
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我希望這個部分你們要趕快去改善報告委員您在說的那個光線的部分我們現在的道路改善的部分有把這個部分都納進來那還有很多的路段前幾天才剛出現一個死亡車禍這個我清楚所以那個部分已經有做檢討您剛剛在講的東海女學生我現在沒什麼時間我延續一下剛剛那個黃健豪委員所問您的問題那為什麼現在假車牌那麼多你們自己要統計 |
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檢察局有統計使用腳車牌的原因是什麼腳車牌什麼時候開始增多其實是去年就增多了來看這個表2022年一年我現在用的是嚴重超速的件數因為這時間點非常配合嚴重超速我們原本是超速60公里吊扣車牌2023年去年把它改成超速40就吊扣車牌 |
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所以這個案件吵在吊牌的數字多了4倍多了4倍從一年15520件變成6萬件變成6萬件我們修改法律的目的在幹嘛是希望能夠嚇阻啦希望能夠減少犯罪行為這是我們修法的目的啦你修了一個法結果那麼多人違規 |
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你如果多一點點就算了你多了四倍那表示啊你這個法律啊那會讓很多人可能是不小心就違法政府要超出多少拔掉人造車牌啊你應該先檢討啊你的訴訟有合理嗎公共電視台做了一個這樣的專輯節目跑去台灣找他說你的訴訟有合理嗎 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 |
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他抓到了就成長6倍這個是有抓到假車牌有抓到就成長6倍那有關係嗎?警察局我們的警政署有分析使用偽造車牌的樣態為什麼?什麼原因你們要使用偽造車牌?38%是因為他車牌被調控有將近4成我的車牌用烤的所以逼他要去用假車牌 |
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那這些被調貨車的車輛沒有車牌車子就不能開嘛那很可能是家庭用車啦我要載孩子啦我要載大人啦我要上班啦對不對那有的是營業車輛那不能做生意啊那怎麼辦剛好你剛有提到了假車牌現在很容易買啦就這樣弄起來就像火一樣燒起來了 |
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所以你現在抓到假車牌你就直接把車輛給沒路我認為使用假車牌還是有其他樣態啦如果拿來犯案犯罪那個車輛當然直接沒路啦那假車牌他做什麼事情那吊牌主要原因是超速那政府有沒有去檢討我們各地速限的合理性 |
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等等那我認為法律上還是要做一個比較現有的法律什麼樣的狀態下你的車牌、你的車輛會被沒路其實都是非常嚴重的啦你的重傷啦你弄海溪人啦弄溪人、擋凶車輛才有沒路我現在列出來給你看部長只有這些狀況下車輛才會沒路你現在使用腳車牌車子要直接沒路 |
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那我們的法律規範上就只要用假車牌就直接摸入嗎?還是有沒有再細分一下?我們未來新的修法的方向目前是只要使用假車牌車子就會被摸入。好,這我有時間的問題了,抱歉,我們主席已經站起來了。那這個部分我們在後續再來做一些討論,好不好?好,謝謝部長、謝謝局長、謝謝主席。好,謝謝林俊賢委員的質詢。那接下來我們請羅明哲委員。 |
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好 謝謝主席 有請交通部陳部長好 我們請交通部陳部長好 這個首先針對今天幾個我們委員修法的第一個提案 |
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那把我的看法提出來首先是無照駕駛因為10月份一個15歲的算青少年然後說偷來車開出去然後就撞死了三條人命那事實上沒有駕照尤其青少年孩子們 |
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他們不管是騎機車、衝出去或者開車不光是對所有的用路人非常危險對自己的生命我覺得也非常輕忽我看你們報告有特別來寫每一天無照駕駛每一年被抓到的案件大概都30萬上下今年1到10月大概22.7萬所以這數字是蠻多的其中一個再犯比率因為你們現在的規定 |
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罰款的部分是六千到兩萬四但是五年內如果你第二次第二次再來那直接罰最高的兩萬四那被罰兩萬四的我們發掘要重複比例高達39%其實這中間有個意義啦 |
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他可能每天都在開啦只是不小心被弄到兩次啦所以這個的部分齁這種不管是僥倖的程度或者你分析這個問題我是真的覺得我們交通部啊跟我們這個司長齁甚至整個監理體系啊你們真的要去好好思考到這個問題啦那目前這個是朝向提高罰款的方向來修嗎 |
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除了提高罰款之外我們針對吊扣牌照的部分如果他是累犯的話吊扣牌照的部分我們也會提高好那我們看看無照駕駛部分青少年的部分其實我們也是覺得蠻憂心的蠻憂心的那整個部分正好監察院的調查報告今年的4月11號也出來了嘛他這邊講說兒少無照駕駛警方雖然持續取締我們副組長也上來一下 |
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持續起立但仍然沒有有效的改善確實我們警政機關是在最後一線設防但是我們前面假設可以擋的不擋住漏過去其實現有的警力他們這麼繁忙不見得能夠有效去做處理那我們請問一下副署長對青少年無照駕駛你就覺得要怎麼樣去改善他們這些人的一個行為你在執法端你有沒有什麼一個建言 |
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目前我們路邊在交通稽查的時候那我們查獲到這些青少年無照駕駛如果是載學學生的話我們都會在剛剛我的報告裡面就特別提到我們會給學校希望能夠納入列管來輔導甚至於我們也希望說學校輔導他們去考駕照 |
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好 那也要輔導家長這個交通工具很奇怪尤其汽車就這樣被開出去我是覺得這個部分是整個社會要一起來做那我還是問一下警政署這個副署長那接下來講變造車牌我們看到這個數字剛剛很多委員都講了從109年來看到113年到今年還沒到年底 |
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大約可能會成長10倍成長10倍就是變造車牌被抓到的一個數量這個數字是滿可觀的尤其113年跟112年比的話 |
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預估直接成長3倍抓到這個數量那剛剛其實林俊彥委員講的我認為是一個確實的事實那我特別統計啦我沒有做表出來從去年6月30號我們新增把超速40公里認定為危險駕駛之後直接調扣車牌6個月6個月之後呢我統計了從7月1號開始 |
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到今年的二月為什麼這樣統計呢因為他有很多申訴期啊你統計到這個月他就想說還不一定還在申訴所以我們乾脆就統計到二月八個月的時間 |
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因為超速40公里被抓到的有6萬5千次那其中真正吊扣真正吊扣的先不要假車牌先不談這個真正最後被吊扣大家就6萬5就吊扣6萬5啊到底發生了什麼怎麼有人超速40不用吊扣呢 |
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結論是吊扣三分之一沒有吊扣平均吊扣比例是66%所以第一個問題剛剛林俊賢委員講的我也是建議你們好好思考一下啦如果修法不能執行或者抓到人之後他比較大尾他理由比較充足他含淚來他說他去接誰你們撤銷理由你們自己去研究我們來專題來報告這不是今天一個重點但是奇怪了就是這麼多人超出40%抱歉40公里 |
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然後沒事的你自己看吧6萬5只有4萬34萬3被調控就我剛剛講這8個月的時間那到底什麼原因呢那如果說原因有這麼多人可以免那是不是考慮你們是不是法律有問題啊那除了變造車牌之外 |
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還有其他的像我們中立前陣子抓到因為疫情都有口罩奇怪他的車也感冒了他的車牌也放口罩去遮各種招數都有那確實這個一定我們覺得非常有機率不管是他為了違法是一個治安後續大案件的一個問題 |
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第二個他是想他是違規避免我們飆車這等等的這個部分部長你剛才總結一下針對這個部分你們現在什麼時候會把案子送到立法院來報告委員我們希望在一個月之內能夠送到委員會來然後希望在這個會期看可不可以審議的可以通過那你這麼慢那我們要自己先審啦還是要等你啊 |
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我們會加速我們會加速快一點啊是是我們整體的版本已經都擬定好了然後這兩天會送到行政院那很快的速度會送到大院那部長或者署長 |
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法務部不用上來了你們覺得說你們現在要立一個法我覺得你們要稍微細節一點啦剛剛好多委員都在談這個問題到底法規是不是讓大家很容易違法呢是不是40公里是危險駕駛那是不是要修成50公里呢還是怎麼回事我們事實上常常在走突然 |
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平均時速假設60公里突然他寫一個公區公區30說真的你根本也沒有辦法所以這個的部分我倒是覺得警政署或者交通部也不知道是誰你們去研究一下有沒有那種變造車牌是變造成自己號碼的 |
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你聽懂我意思嗎我變造了半天其實這個東西就不是犯案啦我變造了半天就是過去的行為我變造車牌偽造車牌偽造成我自己行造的號碼這種其實我知道是不少喔他其實他只是想要開車而已啦他也沒有犯案那這個東西我覺得你們要值得去研究最後啊這個署長周署長其他請錄裂謝謝那個 |
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我們有提就是發展觀光條例70之二條來那這個的部分我是給你建議一下第一個 |
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我們現在想第一個問題我們給他10年的時間不管是教室會館、香客大樓甚至救國團的新年活動中心等等的他什麼事都沒做現在又要來跟我們要幾年如果是這樣我也覺得怪怪的如果是這樣可是我要真的做一個報告就是你們總共列館的這些零零總總包括香客大樓等等的118家 |
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一百一十八家因為現在數字沒有出來大家會想說哇好像三五千家跟旅館業影響的幅度大概多到一百一十八家那現在勒是不是都沒處理處理完畢的六十三間啊 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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轉型呂素月的有9家然後依照這個規費收規費啦我不不營利了齁包括景觀會館等等的還要轉做其他用途的好吧那我就參與啦或者會議場址總共已經處理處理完畢63家齁大概53%所以這10年不是沒有成果我現在講很多人努力在想要轉型上代處理的55家齁那我們來看一下 |
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因為大家都講說不要這個都救國團可是因為我覺得這種說法有點不公平啦因為數字怎麼說勒118家救國團也12家啦你就算總數他也10%百分之十啦那有更多的地方地方很多的香客大樓教師會館甚至娛樂勞工娛樂中心他還需要時間處理所以我要在這裡也要拜託觀光署跟部長 |
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他還有有意繼續要經營那在有很多案他已經在申請中了但因為疫情的關係說真的不是我們用疫情所有的工程因為延期軟硬體全部都延期那他們現在也提出來因為疫情兩到三年這個時間讓他們有一點延誤那這個正在申請中的又有33家而且按照觀光署給我們的回報 |
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這33家呢現在已經在申請中間的階段甚至要收尾了預計在明年到期日之前大概有12家可以申請到那後面持續要申請的有21家所以我在這裡是不是建議說這個審到這個法條的時候是不是能夠給他們一些彈性我們並沒有要改變你法律的本質呂樹葉本身就要合法但是時間他有些剛剛我講了已經有拼過了 |
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還在努力中的再給他一些時間我相信這是這個我們提的這個部分部長你看你怎麼說報告委員還在努力中的齁等一下我跟署長來討論一下看什麼樣的機制可以讓他能夠趕快齁可以趕快完成他所努力的方向齁那這個時間的部分我們也盡量討論一下看有沒有可能給他一些彈性好謝謝委員好謝謝魯明哲、昭緯的質詢那我們接下來請蔡緹參委員 |
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謝謝主席請陳部長我們請陳部長部長早委員早這個部長昨天有沒有看那個 |
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呃十二強的這個棒球比賽我昨天沒看但是有看結論你看到結論結論是大家很開心對你知道我們已經贏下比賽對我們要往東京去前進東京嘛對我們要往東京去好這個我想昨天國人都沉浸在這種喜悅跟振奮當中是那當然我也不例外啦是是 |
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我今天主要來跟部長討論我昨天晚上第一個時間當我們確定可以前進東京的時候我就跟交通部這邊做了一個聯繫因為我知道球迷朋友從昨天晚上因為大家都很希望去幫我們的國家隊應援 |
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去東京加油啦所以就我所知道機票的部分應該是相當困難因為現在本來就是屬於可能楓葉啦去日本的飛機本來就不容易機票本來就不容易買所以呢球迷朋友很多人期待是不是有機會可以有加班機啦 |
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那所以呢我今天在立法院有特別昨天我就先聯繫交通部希望說今天早上可否跟我們的國行做一些聯絡讓我們的國行清查一下可不可能透過加班機的方式或者在現有的班次裡面用這個大型的飛機對用這個方式來增加那個載客量部長不知道早上 |
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部裡面的同仁有沒有跟你聯繫這個事情?報告委員昨天晚上我們贏了之後要前往東京所以昨天的班機的訂票率還沒開始提升但今天開始我們看到訂票率一直在提升就是往東京的班機的訂票率一直在提升所以我們也是馬上請我們的國航大家開始去思考怎麼樣增加供給量 |
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包括增加航班是一種方法或者是換大飛機讓它載客的數字可以再更增加這個部分交通部會來努力因為看到國人非常開心大家真的很積極想要到東京去幫我們的國家隊加油是是是那所以因為我很清楚知道這個第一個要先透過國航有飛機這是第一個前提嘛第二個就是說可能交通部也要趕快跟日方做聯繫因為飛機去 |
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不是隨便開著就進去嗎他還要跟日方的機場對跟他們機場會做聯繫另外日航的部分也可以提供協助沒有錯就是其他公司如果非國航的他願意來增加航班我方也應該要來積極來協助他們增加航班因為這個是 |
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大家都很高興的事情所以我想我們應該預先可以準備到有這樣的事情這個是舉國歡騰而且不分藍綠講到棒球我想大家就忘了他自己是國民黨還是民進黨大家都會全力來支持所以你看趙偉一直點頭昨天委員交代之後今天交通部早上就開始在聯繫這件事民航局也馬上在聯繫這件事 |
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部長所以你可不可以隨時請部裡面的同仁跟我報告一下進度這個沒問題因為到底要增加因為我們必須快速的讓球迷知道這件事情到底有沒有可能增加增加的時間是在因為我昨天也提過大概球迷需求的時間大概禮拜二、禮拜三、禮拜四、禮拜五這幾天大概都是球迷陸續會到會往東京的時間所以禮拜二、禮拜三、禮拜四、禮拜五 |
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盡量來協調可不可以增加那因為我們訊息需要讓大家知道所以這個你可以在社群媒體上看到每一個人都在敲碗說可不可以增加班機這個事情那我也會請教育部來幫忙就是說到底這個 |
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門票的部分可不可以跟日方有一個協調跟主辦單位有一個協調可不可以讓這個門票的購買的資訊能夠讓大家更清楚這個因為教育部是主管這個棒球協會是教育部的單位是這個部分我也會請他來幫忙所以但是交通要先有機票然後再有門票才可以這個成行 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪 |
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後面球迷會陸續開始會過去所以這個希望國家把它當成一個大事這個是藍綠都支持的事情大家全力來把這件事情做好好不好好那另外就是說這個我請教一下署長 |
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組長那個我們每一年本席都會配合市政府市政府有提了一些我們觀光的一些這個補助的計畫就是通觀光署辦理這個區域旅遊品牌補助計畫那這個每一年本席都會配合市政府來爭取市政府所提這個計畫所以我們很多像鐵戰山我們分年一段一段把它做好那也持續了大概也我看6年的計畫有了 |
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每年都有補助那本席會發現像今年這個進度普遍都很慢那慢的原因到底是地方政府他出了什麼問題還是他計畫本身當時在寫的時候寫的並不夠好或者不夠詳細導致工程的進度都會拖啦那過去可能問題比較沒有但是我看最近就是開始會出現這個問題所以我也藉這個機會希望觀光署能夠督促啦就我們給地方政府錢 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 |
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中央可以協助的,那我們就協助,這樣不可以。這是小事啦,但是我是覺得不能進度慢嘛,因為明年我們又有新的想法要來做了,好不好,這個地方政府都要把它督促好。是,是,謝謝委員。好,謝謝蔡委員。接下來有請游浩委員發言。 |
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謝謝召委,有請部長。好,陳部長。 |
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謝謝部長那延續了剛才不管是我們的林明哲召委、黃健豪委員包括李坤哲委員還有蔡啟展委員有提到目前的話國內這個觀光困境、產業發展的困境也包含著就包括今天討論的部分的提案那這個部分都是希望能夠來振興觀光的產業那在 |
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對觀光好的一個政策或建議啊那其實是不分藍綠啊過去國民黨也曾經執政那所以國民黨智庫還有在上禮拜四召開一個座談會那有提到了許多很好的一個建議包括不僅是上面的五項的一個挑戰的建議甚至有包括是這個就是能夠讓入客那能夠如何能夠再來重新振興畢竟現在來台的人數畢竟確實是需要再做努力啊那 |
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本期這邊有一個智庫的時候的一個座談會的一個建議、建言書那我就想說直接就給部長因為想說你防忙之餘也能夠看一下這些國民黨智庫的建議沒問題謝謝委員 |
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好,那接著我們再看今天的這個議題就是在偽造車牌還有包括這個今天所討論的這個重中之重那我們看到一個圖表那這個大家可能都知道這個故事這是蒙面加飛貓的故事那在偽造或是在蒙面他有時候他可能做壞事 |
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他可能帶動更多的壞事或是有這個示範效果他還在逃跑的其實就是我們的人民跟百姓那我們看下一頁 |
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那所以說某一面就是不想讓大家知道那就是有些這個偽造、變造車牌他這個也是不想讓人家知道他同時他影響的也是就是可能是某一個車牌車主他是一個合理合法的一個駕駛人他的車牌那本席在這裡還是重申也強調不管是剛才許多委員有提到的一個修正案那包括是末路以及包括提高罰則甚至這樣子是等同於是一個危險駕駛的一個狀況那他 |
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甚至在最高罰則其實甚至3萬到9萬的這種競輸都是被一個考慮的一個範圍那相信行政院的版本到時候提出那也參考國民黨委員其實許多委員不分藍綠都有提出的道路狀況管理條例的處罰那還是要建議因為 |
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有幾位啦,就是說探險的行李有人走啦,太刀的行李沒人走。那我們要如何從源頭來去遏止它這個許多偽造車牌或是使用這個偽造車牌的這個動機,包括讓他們覺得說這是廖警的行李,所以說這個部分要讓這個消動部一定要在這個修法的部分來保護我們這個未來這個偽造車牌能夠去降低。 |
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那同樣的剛才在質詢的時候提到如果說今天來講通知那個速發部的話如果說網路上下架的這種速度的話大概多少時間內可以完成我們是每天都會在網路上巡查巡查之後馬上就會移送那移送之後的速度是不是我請局長多少一天之內可以 |
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跟委員報告因為他大概還是要查緝不過就是說像這一個網購平台的部分像這一個相關的這個Yahoo這個采賣的相關的一些這個網購平台的部分其實已經都下架了現在比較難的大概就是說一些比如說是自己的臉書LINE的那些部分的話因為大概我們透過這一個我們自己每天巡查以後 |
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其實在移送給這一個速發部然後也請相關的單位協助下架那這個部分的話像我們現在大概已經移了500多件那下架了41件局長那個我直接回覆這個我的疑問 |
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就是說其實訴發部他要通知各種的平台他下架的話他要請他們喝咖啡或是直接跟他們通知那是在一天內、一週內還是一個月內還是在半天內還是即通知即下架那我覺得這個部分的話交通部需要跟訴發部溝通因為在網路上面在下一頁甚至還在就與新知大家能夠來大家告訴大家哪裡買這個假車牌所以這個本期在這裡還是要建議跟部的平行聯繫是非常的重要好 |
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跟蘇法部合作。謝謝。那最後本席在針對發展觀光條例70之二的部分,那還是要強調一下,今天許多,因為剛才在提案說明的時候有看到部長其實講到救國團、講到青年活動中心,他也一直在點頭表示其實跟救國團跟青年活動中心其實一直都可能都有參加許多的活動,或是都有連結。參加過。 |
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對,那所以說這個剛才部長也提到說能夠給予說這個部分有一些寬容寬限因為他們畢竟是要轉型成合法的部分那過去他們在疫情期間也都配合了政府政策在做這個防疫旅館 |
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還我相信不管是救國團或是包括國際英雄館或是甚至這個勞工運動中心還青年活動中心其實他們在那段時間疫情他們也都在佩服政府政策他們那時候也是放下了手上那時候在申請轉型的這個過程那也是不斷地在做努力 |
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那本期還是請這個部長還跟署長還能夠在這一案的部分還給他們一個期間因為輔導轉型的話其實他也要有成效因為過去的話他們並不是衝突衝擊著原本的旅宿業者他們是一直並行並存了幾十年 |
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那而現在來講像國軍英雄館他也會因為這樣子他才評估要不要熄燈但是這是大家所不樂見的他們還是有他們的意義跟他們的族群存在那如何能夠在輔導轉型的部分能夠拿出成績以及在 |
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他們過去在防疫期間的這個也算是防疫有功配合政府政策我們現在給他們一些空間緩衝就像魯明哲照有剛才所提出的數據一樣那是不是能夠來配合讓他們盡快來輔導成因為他們很多案子還在申請中這時候給他們斷頭的時候那其實傷的都是這些所有員工家庭的生計啊 |
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報告委員還在申請中的就是還在努力當中的這些案子我們會盡量來輔導他那對於這個我們的期限如果到了之後還需要短暫的這個寬限期的話這個部分我們跟署這邊來協調一下看要怎麼樣去輔導這些業者 |
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所以說可以趕快一些寬限的期間嗎?這個部分我們還要再討論希望說能夠用最短的速度啦大家不要再去去做這個時間上的調整但是我們用最短的時間能夠來協助但是我坦白講就是在這次的提案的部分還是希望給他們一個合理的一個緩衝期那因為這個部分法不修那他們沒有這個緩衝期那所以說今天他牽扯是很大包括那時候配合防疫我是覺得如果可以的話 |
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部內跟署內應該要積極的來協助?如果他現在已經在這個申請的過程我們希望能夠在明年底明年底之前看可不可以全部把他們輔導到合法那我們就在這緩衝期內盡量給他們一個輔導到因為這個修法必須要給他們一個空間那就有在這個交通部公關署這邊盡量來協助他們謝謝 |
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好 謝謝有委員接下來有請何新淳委員發言謝謝盧昭偉主席我們是不是請部長好陳部長還有公路局跟警政署警政署今天是來陳局長李副署長副署長好部長好局長好來副署長好 |
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謝謝部長我想今天很多委員跟本席一樣都在關心這個假車牌的問題那假車牌媒體報導也很多那我們也相信我們警政署也跟各地的警察同仁們也很用心用力的在打擊在抓但是防不勝防剛剛有委員在講即使到現在網路上都還看得到在販賣假車牌 |
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那我現在就要請教我們要打擊假車牌當然修法是我們一定要做的但是上游要防堵下游要查緝那源頭的打這個假車牌查假車牌是第一步對不對這個我想你部長也同意那要怎麼查假車牌以公務局給我們的一個統計數字今天很多委員都提到那現在呢在針對網路銷售的這個部分要怎麼阻絕第一個我提 |
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我看到公路局給我們一個資料10月17號建立一個所謂的網路平台的巡查程式是嗎?局長?好,那我們對,10月17號開始這個網路的平台的查詢程式的查貨並通知業者下架512件還沒請到上議院那這個512件裡面那為什麼到現在連有委員跟其他委員跟我都在網路上還看得到 |
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是網路平台不配合呢?下架不夠快嗎?包括數位發展部都說有跟其他這些社群網路平台呢有建立一個通報下架的窗口那包括Yahoo等等的這個網購的平台也都說願意配合但是速發部那邊給我們的資料是下架41件一個下架512件一個下架41件部長這個數字你滿意嗎? |
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五百一十二件是我們通知啦通知而已還沒有下架嘛對不對那速發部那邊是實際有下架的是41件但你看喔光是這兩個數字就告訴我們什麼這下架的效率有夠慢 |
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你已經巡查到了你通知業者要下架512件你通知了那速發部呢負責去溝通建立的通報下架窗口可是已到目前為止我看到的是41件512件裡面只有41件下架那難怪我們委員先在國人在這個平台上面看到可以買這個或甚至能客製化偽造的車牌比比皆是啊 |
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部長你認為這該怎麼辦?黃委員我覺得這個數字上確實有落差但是網購的部分都已經下架了那現在比較麻煩的是他個人的臉書或者是他的LINE的群組的部分這個部分是還沒有處理好那這個部分應該要我們會跟訴發部這邊也來協調看一下怎麼樣加強所以你要怎麼辦? |
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我認為警政署可能也有拜託一起啦警政署也有一個通報下架的窗口嘛那至於呢這個速發部跟警政署跟我們交通部拜託你們跨部會去這不是只有喝咖啡聊天的事情而已這是非常要審慎的去面對而且要積極的查處跟解決問題啊不然的話你看這數字落差這麼大 |
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好部長這是第一個第二個我要跟你講一件事我們要查假車牌之前要先比對比對它是真還是假那就是什麼建立資料庫以你們現在有建立的資料庫有兩件事一個是公務局說建立一個疑似偽造號牌的揮名單揮名單那目前在這個揮名單裡面偽變造、吊銷、註銷會繳回等等是不是171筆 |
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應該不只啦。灰名單是171筆。各位報告。來,我現在就是要跟你探討這一件事嘛。你所謂的疑似偽造號牌灰名單,現在的171筆,這個到底包含什麼東西嗎?因為你說要交由警察機關或停管機關要合作,要把這個灰名單提供給警政單位,就是警政署,來建立所謂的AI巡防系統。 |
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各位網友我們現在所有的就是車牌被吊扣、吊銷、註銷因為代表就是說他車子不能再用了所以他比較有機會說他可能會去使用假車牌所以這個吊註銷的這個大概幾十萬筆的資料全部都有給警察機關 |
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另外171筆是民眾就是說因為他已經來就是說他來報案申訴說我的車牌已經被偽造了所以這個還有另外已經被偽造的171筆那為什麼叫回名單是因為你還沒有辦法證實他到底是不是偽造車牌還是所以像檢察機關其實他們就是說我們把所有的這個資料都已經在他們的AI的資料庫系統所以像檢察機關現在辨別非常快 |
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那我可以請教嗎那在公路局像體系下所謂的AI巡防系統圖的這個會名單裡面可能會巡查到的除了ETEC還有哪些系統可以 |
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現在其實包括就是說我們警察機關還有監理機關還有這個地方的停管機關大概就是說三個機關合作所以中央跟地方都有達成共識三個機關聯罰對路上行走的或是停車的大概就是說那個資料庫裡面都有這個可能因為你的車牌已經被吊註銷不能所以你不可能在路上還會再行駛嘛所以他一查出來的話就有可能這個車牌 |
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副處長知道嗎?AI巡防系統 |
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我們本來就現在就有在建置警察的補助系統現在就有在建置那交通部給我們的資料我們會輸入進去輸入進去以後我們警方在巡邏的時候透過那個系統如果發現是偽變造車牌就會攔查起地 |
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那現在各地各地的這個警察局統統都有這個巡防系統是全國一致還是給地方政府市警局﹖可能就在我們警方的設備裡面在警方全國的設備裡面那只是每年編的預算是要來更新升級我們的AI巡防系統嗎 |
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因為目前那個我剛剛在那個報告裡面的那個系統裡面是現在是有六都裡面有幾個幾部的車裝置在裡面那這個對嘛這個系統部署長你講出真相了那再來明年不是全國都有也不是你剛剛回答我的是在你的警政署的巡防系統裡面耶目前是沒有 |
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三、四、五、六、七、八、八、七、八、九、十、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、七、八、九、十、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、 |
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副所長你要先問清楚再來回答我啦因為我看到有這筆預算嘛所以你們要建立這個AI巡防系統不是 |
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以現有的系統嘛而是你們另外在建制我要跟他說它比較數位化、科技化現代版的一個AI巡防系統以六都才在試辦而且呢全國以六都來講有這個AI巡防系統的警車根本不到10%嘛那你這一筆預算執行下去之後你認為幾年內要建制到 |
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百分之百還是你原來的KPI就沒有達到百分之百因為那個有一個中長期計劃啦詳細的計劃我不是很清楚分三年來來來你事後給我這個書面報告我要知道你要建制的期程你即將要花多少預算我什麼時候可以國人可以預期說我可以建立這個全台灣的一個AI巡防的一個聯防系統 |
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為什麼這個重要這個要搭配剛剛我問交通部不僅僅是公路局的一個監理系統還有地方政府的停管系統還有你警政署自己的AI聯防系統這樣子加起來才能夠讓這一個假車牌也好偽造車牌也好我們才能夠真正的去判讀真假也才能夠真正做到百分之百的防堵嘛 |
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這個是我們的用意,我希望預算編下去,極快下去,要真的做,要再做,這就是我想說的,要強化數據資料庫,要加速查緝量能嘛,那也才能達到什麼,我們現在不是只有修法,修法當然一定要修,我之前有提版本要修刑法、修道教條例,包括我們願意等願版, |
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但是呢要抓得到才能夠罰得到也才能遏止啊執行面也很重要啊是不是部長你同意吧是非常同意委員的說法所以我拜託是不是在接下來用最快的時間最快的速度跟警政署內政部警政署跟我們地方政府還有呢跟相關包括數位發展部很重要我們從源頭到 |
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後端的查緝到剛剛說的利用數位化、科技化的一個聯防系統這個每一個事情都很重要都要做到修法當然我們支持好不好是,好,謝謝委員畫布會的聯防我們會來努力,謝謝好,謝謝何委員接下來有請陳雪生委員發言 |
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好,謝謝主席。是不是請交通部陳部長。陳部長。部長早。委員好。馬祖大橋的進度如何? |
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目前還沒有送到我們部裡面還沒有什麼行政院還沒有回到我們這邊我有去再問行政院的進度因為上次跟委員報告就是說國發會的這個整個的規劃評估報告已經送到行政院送到秘書長那邊那最新的進度剛剛我有再問一下院裡面大概院這邊的話是把這個國發會的這個評估報告把它就是說先就是存掉 |
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局長你問院裡的誰?你問院裡面的誰?我問那個交還處的處長交還處的處長他怎麼說?是把這個國發會的評估報告把他這個紋存那基本上就是說並沒有再把他們的意見這個要求我們交通部去做相關的一個回應他已經要求8次、10次、20次啦還要求什麼?還要求什麼? |
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我打電話給公民秘書長公民秘書長他說不知道沒看到這案子不是說到許內閣秘書長那裡再分判分判下去嗎 |
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那你們要去問啦,你們如果連問都不問,我每個禮拜最近讀。報告委員,局長剛剛的回答就是他有問了。部長,我年齡有點大了齁,時間很短,不夠用齁,拜託一下好不好。部長你不是說幫我問嗎?有一天回來不是跟總統要見面?我們其實都有問。總統有沒有說什麼? |
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我沒有跟總統問這件事,有跟院問這件事啦,那目前就是在祕書長那邊嘛。拖嘛,一直在拖啊。到底做還是不做?乾脆一點嘛,是不是?他沒有給我們一件證。 |
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也跟委員報告因為院沒有再給我們新的這個意見的話基本上其實回到112年的你每個禮拜給我回報一次好不好我每個禮拜追追到下一次總主席我還會問好不好反正部長你有來我都會問啊我不問不行啊好不好我不曉得我還能活多久啊拜託了好不好你很年輕欸我們兩個年齡不一樣好不好 |
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那我們在開車啊開車碰到人行道我們要停下來嘛行人在那邊打電話在那邊聊天那你看怎麼樣行人過馬路也應該要專心過馬路要遵守那就嘴巴講一講是不是 |
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應該...應該如果是看...局長你有機會你修個...修個什麼行人穿越法吧?行人穿越不要那個嗎?行人在...我們...我們要走不停...沒有錯...我就是看到...行人我當然要禮讓嘛...我要等嘛...我不能... |
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紅燈好不容易等到綠燈等到一個綠燈以後行人在那邊拖拖拉拉的那邊來這邊去我們車子不要開啦行人的部分也有罰則行人有罰則嗎罰500塊說明一下跟我們報告在應該是78條它裡面如果說行人在穿越馬路的時候吸吸這些相關的部分是罰500元 |
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我們尊重行人啦,開車的人當然我們尊重他嘛前幾天你看前面一個公車後面一個公車追撞一下就死亡了好不好這都是問題啦好我現在接著要問那個高雄馬祖航線高雄馬祖航線誰關心啊?我看國民黨裡面只有我一個關心民進黨只有一個誰?許智傑許智傑委員正好在下面許委員謝謝你啦 |
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那天你假動你沒有到馬祖來黃牛了好不好不過下次希望好不好希望有機會來早上我找了我早上開了一個會有品公司的問題最嚴重那現在有品公司問題解決了他的保險因為一到三月份從現在到三月份他會透過另外一個方式來保險那四月份跟那個美國的債保公司還要再簽約會把這個納進去 |
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我油品公司全國各縣市全部都是中油的,怎麼馬祖是我們馬祖縣政府代管呢?莫名其妙嘛。好,他現在也投降了。保險的問題解決了。車子、油罐車,我說我要新的。我前面跟他講要舊的,他現在沒辦法了,我說我要新的。他說舊的馬上運來,11月份就要運過去了,他速度比我快了。 |
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還有油罐車也過去11月底也過去人員訓練大概已經訓練完成了四個人訓練完成了那現在剩下的是油料都完成以後我前天打電話給昨天打電話給中華航空公司謝董事長他說第一個油料的問題如果能夠完成第二個降落費 |
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機場降頭費如果能夠減免的話,我也打電話給何局長,何局長今天沒來。如果降頭費能夠減免的話,他說固定航線他願意飛。 |
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但是票價原來50個、70個嘛對不對?你油料是滿的話,那只要油料是滿的話70個。他如果可以油料問題解決可以再到70個。這個部長知道嘛。好啦那現在新聞媒體在報導啊,我們馬祖的新聞很熱門啊。現在不是打詐嗎跟打騙嗎?誰騙你知道嗎?我跟縣長變成騙子了現在。這問題很嚴重啦,我想把部長應該也加一個進來嘛。對不對? |
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打騙他說11月6號飛時班飛完時班呢公共署不知道又給了幾個錢我們現在最少飛到元旦假期飛到元旦元旦就停掉你律師局元旦就停掉嘛最少我剛才說最少我們希望他的運量可以真的起來你講最多我不要講最少你不要講最少11月6號你看風風光光的這是馬祖 |
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內內部長沒有去?有啊,我在裡面部長你覺得這個風風光光的首航起飛,飛完以後 |
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然後元旦就把他停掉你心裡面有什麼感想沒有,報告委員如果我們的運量跟那個那個大家很願意去搭乘的話旅客宿夠的話這個沒問題啦就可以一直飛下去啦就可以一直飛下去你看喔一個縣政府我們不希望一直用補貼我們希望它真正運量可以起來那這個部分我們一起來努力一個縣政府一個交通部一個立委跟老百姓講的話 |
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人家如果當我們在放屁的話你說說看你說說看我們飛這個高雄馬祖航線只是飛兩個月飛起來跟紙做的滑翔機一樣飛起來好玩的 |
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不是這樣嘛 是不是這政策欸當時一開始的時候那個時候應該就對外講是時斑嘛那我們也讓它延長可以至少到元旦假期那我們這段時間也在努力希望跟高雄的那邊的觀光業者大家一起來合作去找客源有啊 成居賣市場 |
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將來也會幫忙,他說他會有配套。那我們希望這個可以讓他運量上來之後一直延續下去,這個很好。他這個錢不是什麼縣政府、高雄市政府、觀光署去給錢,沒道理嘛。交通的便利、行政安全、交通部本來就要負起主要責任嘛。是不是?怎麼扯到縣政府勒?哪一個?你看那個臺北市油管那個民航油管那個松山機場嗎?桃園市政府油管那個桃園機場嗎?沒有嘛。 |
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這廉價限制怎麼會扯進去管這個事情呢?這行政便利的問題啊。這樣好不好?元貸嘛,包機至少嘛。但是你給我承諾,不能停。因為油的問題,油品公司要解決了。中油要解決了。油罐車啊、訓練啊、車輛啊、保險啊,全部都解決了。 |
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那謝董也跟我講,如果這個油料的問題能夠解決,還有降落費能夠減免,他願意飛,他也願意了,那剩下就交通部啦,不是啊?你跟我講...如果華航或華信可以不用補貼的方式願意飛那當然很好啊但是他油料要解決啊 |
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油料不是委員剛剛說您已經有努力現在中油也不是我管的你是中央政府我這裡是立法院我管不了他們是不是我沒有行政權油料我們來跟他們行政權是你們你們要去主動去溝通怎麼是我在那邊我不講話就沒事我一講話就來了你看我今天上午主持一個會議我有點生氣了火爆三丈全部都OK了 |
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那我不出面的話全部都躲起來了怎麼這樣子勒?我們政府做事情不是這樣子吧?是不是?部長,11月6號包機起飛高雄到馬祖航線元旦我不管,你不管,因為你公務很忙啦底下民航局不管,公安署不管,不就停擺啦擺明就是擺爛啊是不是?然後我們都被打成詐騙集團 |
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我們是最大宗的,不好吧?交通部會幹這種事嗎?你說,你當個部長。我們來努力讓它持續飛下去。不是努力啊,這一定要做的嘛,還努力。我們現在正在努力齁,跟旅行業者大家一起合作攬客,我們希望多一些客人,那未來當然有商機的時候,航空公司必然會一直飛。現然也跟參謀總長講了,跟參謀總長沒東西要講了。 |
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他們部隊裡面,將來也鼓勵阿兵哥坐飛機。如果是部隊也可以達成而且有優惠的話,其實這個是蠻好的。是是是。欸?召委你先坐下來沒關係啊,不要急。部長你答應我好不好?不要停。 |
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我很希望他可以持續飛下去我後面還有許智傑委員欸你走著瞧好了我很希望他持續飛下去許智傑委員還會問你喔我那天前幾天去高雄連其邁市長都有在跟我講這件事表示高雄也很在乎這個航線那我們也很希望他能夠持續飛下去那個其邁是現任市長嘛下一任許智傑委員虎視眈眈的許智傑委員你要努力一下我下去沒關係好不好我招架兩分鐘沒關係剩下你要幫我講講話 |
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因為藍綠都幫忙一下嘛這個我們一起來努力部長很難看啦元旦如果真的沒飛很難看啦有啦一定會飛到元旦不只是我難看縣政府難看你也很難看什麼至少什麼至少一定要飛下去好不好對啊我們現在努力讓他一直飛下去又努力不努力不行我們現在沒有在努力嗎我努力那麼久了他們還說我騙委員在努力我們也在努力 |
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一起努力一定不能停好不好不然你講個話嘛一定不要停你講個話這句話你都不敢講我來當部長好了是不是我們努力讓他一直飛下去啦我們現在真的一直在想辦法那我永遠一直在努力當中這件事情非做不可我跟你講下台如果不是下台我不是想對不起我不是想下台如果元旦以後真的停掉了 |
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我辭立委你辭部長好不好我立委辭掉你部長辭掉我們一起打個賭一起幹這件事情我們兩個一起幹好不好我把立委辭掉啊我們一起努力啦又一起努力一定要完成好不好送你五個字一定要完成固定航線好不好稍微對不起啊又請你坐下你可以站起來了我先下去 |
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那請許智傑先生上台講話。好,謝謝。好,謝謝陳委員。接下來有請許智傑委員發言。好,謝謝主席。我們還是請部長,不辛苦。 |
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部長辛苦 委員好其實當學生兄講的也不是沒有道理我知道部長也很努力那我們要知道問題出在哪裡其實馬祖航空從一開始高碼這一條線坦白講我們也爭取了很久當銀行局說可以飛的時候其實我真的很高興我們真的爭取很久終於成功了 |
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但是我後來才知道說我以為是一直飛下去是固定航班他是包機對結果後來說飛了十班禮後不是高雄的十班禮啦十班飛機啦十班飛機飛了以後呢啊就停了所以其實我們做政務官或者是行政官員在思考的點就是說我這一趟去是什麼 |
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目的會有多久應該要跟人民講清楚如果你一開始就說我們只飛十班後續我們要看狀況評估這樣子人民也許 |
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會覺得說那我們趕快一起努力,看有沒有辦法時班有再增加。當時其實有講清楚啦,就是時班的包機這樣。但是齁,那個一開始宣傳的時候齁,那個要宣傳在前面。你了解我意思嗎?時班要宣傳在前面,否則飛機飛在前面,然後後面才講時班。那人民會覺得說,那個有落差。 |
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黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人 |
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到底後面有沒有什麼規劃?是,委員您那天質詢完之後跟陳雪生委員也有特別質詢這個問題所以我拜託觀光署我們再繼續加碼然後讓他至少要到元旦假期元旦,至少到元旦好啦好啦,那個這個就請交通部、觀光署繼續努力啦因為我那一天也看到馬祖縣政府他們一開始第一個月他們出了500觀光署出了100嘛 |
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那我本來想說公共署再撐個200他們再多撐兩個月應該沒問題所以我那時候覺得公共署應該沒問題有這麼做那後來發現馬祖先這麼說我們自己準備一個月那就很傷腦筋那當然就是說我們現在去思考馬祖高碼這條線最大的問題要克服的困難 |
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不是每一次的補助而是剛才部長有提到固定航班那固定航班其實最大的問題是油品的問題部長應該可以去中油把馬祖航空因為馬祖有個叫馬祖油品啦他們自己獨立的公司啦那馬祖油品你要叫中油去接中油不願不想去接你馬祖的你現在都了結啦 |
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你馬祖最了不起,要叫我去接動員,我中邮不來啦但是呢,其實我講一個最極端的就是說馬祖航空就宣布公司結束,假設是這樣那馬祖的油,誰要負責還是要保持馬祖有一些油,應該是中油 |
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所以我覺得可能要拜託部長跟經濟部跟中友去溝通啦就是說這類是最根本解決的問題這個解決以後我們才有機會固定航班這是第一個問題那第二個問題剛剛學生也提到了軍中軍中的飛機飛回來那個也要協調啦你們都自己背 |
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沒有要坐飛機當然你就沒來人數就沒夠所以軍中我們有很多的將士兵 |
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他們回來南部其實不只是高雄左沿你可以把小港機場、高雄機場要想像成南高屏這樣一起思考我想南高屏都會來當然就是說它基本上高雄機場的功能絕對不是處理高雄的人的問題所以這兩個問題我是覺得部長可以花一點心思請大家去溝通這兩個問題解決 |
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這個問題大概就解決啦但是什麼時候解決我現在我剛剛學生中提到我又不是部長我也不能講什麼時候可以解決那要拜託部長這兩個方向我們會盡量想辦法讓他的運量能夠起來運量起來其實固定航班那就不行其實我剛講這兩個問題你想辦法去解決馬祖問題高碼問題大概就解決了是是好所以希望說部長可以再多努力一下好那另外呢最近我們高雄機場發生了那個計程車排班 |
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說去要檢查那個什麼五等親以上那個已經拿掉了嘛 對不對有什麼現行法令除了機構牌方計程車可與機場內營運載客外其計程車T開頭的包含多元計程車等只能接送駕駛員配偶及五等親內的家屬我如果是我朋友載我去這樣就不行了 |
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那是針對多元計程車的部分是的機場其實從民國70幾年開始就有這個排班的機制我知道從過去到現在一直都有那幾十年的時間其實我一直都在想解決的方法啦機場這個問題其實我們高雄最近也炒得很熱那我是接力部長有兩個方向部長可以去思考一個就是如何讓去的人民都坐得到車我要坐得到車你不管給我什麼車嘛我坐得到嘛 |
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他們現在習慣叫Uber好像一叫就來他們大概可以保證他們坐得到所以Uber不能來嘛那多元計程車、排班計程車如何保證讓人民坐得到車這是第一個那第二個為什麼排班計程車會不夠或不多我會說那些有的在基地有樓車齊齊跟小工他會用這個、會用那個 |
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二、佩珈菇等18人、 二、佩直道等18人。 |
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他現在雖然有加50塊的那個那個就是在機場搭正在50元那但是呢這一個50元如果再加上七八十元一百不到一百五十塊那輸去一定會怎麼賺會怎麼賣啦所以要如何去保障就是排班計程車它有一定的啊比方說擺擺擺擺兩點鐘還要再開一座報啊還要又回來擺對 |
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好,所以大概就這兩個角度。我也希望說機長、那個部長跟我們的公務局、民航局思考一下。就是說我排班計程車,假設啦,你去餐廳有一個低銷對吧?我低銷就是我在機場坐排班計程車,當然人家排了那麼久,你坐不到200塊好像很不好意思啦。比如說你有個低銷, |
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阿你加50歸加50、低銷歸低銷,那也許反正我的低銷,假設低銷200啦,我是假設你們再去評估啦,我去即使你不管再到我就是差不多200塊的低銷,也許我排辦經理人會覺得說我這樣去排有計單,所以要如何讓排辦經理人車覺得他去排, |
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黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人 |
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兩邊顧及啦那車的部分一定要確保夠因為當時要做排班計程車的目的就是希望說旅客到了要馬上有車可以坐所以有用排班的機制所以你可以看部長我剛提到的高雄到馬祖這一條航線如果可以繼續大概這兩個問題要去思考是機場問題人民坐得到計程車排班不說排一波貪一百個 |
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阿這兩個問題去思考我想把這個問題思考一下由解方當然多少那個細節你們就去衡量一下看怎麼樣比較適當我想這個問題就有機會解決當然會很辛苦尤其是油品的問題我想 |
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中友也很辛苦啦那當然也要你現在把他想起來放著比較不然他突然倒閉你還是要處理啦是是所以要怎麼樣去做一個平衡點可能拜託部長再跟經濟部再協調一下好好好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝許委員接下來有請邱若驊委員發言 |
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13760.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
謝謝主席 主席請交通部陳部長還有觀光署周署長周署長 |
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委員好部長好、署長好我們先來看到觀光的部分那其實這邊要提到青年活動中心過去常常是學生社團辦理團康活動的好去處嘛然後也是很多人學生時期的回憶那我們在我們臺灣的宗教活動宗教文化活動也很盛行那民間的宮廟常常有進香的活動這些香客大樓也是這些香客還有民眾的首選在參與宗教活動的時候那 |
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特定對象住宿場所一八長觀光條例第70條之二之規定有10年的緩衝期將在明年的1月21日落日也是這一次本次修法的重點之一那這邊要針對我們發展觀光條例就叫部長還有署長幾個問題今年11月3號的時候全國各地的國軍英雄館提供了住宿的服務請問部長知道原因嗎 |
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是不是我請署長好不好對不起那個也是因應這個條文的這個規定啦他用地沒辦法取得旅館用地的話他沒辦法進行旅館所以這個部分他就對他們沒有辦法來申請這個登記為旅館業那部長署長你知道目前觀光署列管全國特定對象的住宿總共有幾處我們現在全宿裡面還有這個針對33處裡面在做輔導對 |
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13853.765 |
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列管的部分嗎?列管的部分當時是有118處當時有118處那目前轉型的情況如何?剩下目前86處的部分大概分3個部分一個部分呢他在還是在努力中另外一個就是退場3分之1的部分退場另外一個就是還在觀望 |
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是列管中的是有31處那當時根據11月份的資料統計總計118處其中是有86處還在做列管當中那全國118處特定對象住宿場所目前只有9處他們完成了登記那只有佔7.6% |
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本席不惜質疑目前我們觀光署是否有來積極協助這些業者來做轉型我們一直都在努力而且我們在定期每一季幾乎都有開會在做輔導那今年的部分是3月還特別邀集了相關單位 |
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13907.085 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
13908.306 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
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就本學長解答目前還有21處的業者他們必須在1月21號才能取得旅館業的登記嘛那部長、署長如果沒有完成修法那他們這21個業者他們要怎麼來做自救按照法令規定要退場要退場是那我們剛才有看到那其實有一轉型的業者是相當多的那這邊公共署有沒有有沒有來成立專責的機構來進行輔導 |
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蘇長當初我們公關署有沒有成立部長也在提到了就是有一部分還在繼續努力但是我們覺得還在繼續努力明年他們1月21號還是要有一個因為我們當初是104年嘛還是在我們希望這個10年114年內把它完成是比較好 |
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是那本期這邊也要提到因為疫情的關係那有意轉型的業者他們也都是在積極的辦理當中那因為當時疫情的關係那造成嚴盪那這邊我們先來看到部長請問您知道這個這個價目表算不算是提供特定對象的住宿場所 |
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這個駕木錶對看起來不一定是特定對象吧不一定是特定對象那這邊吼那本席直接就跟部長說吼這個是海軍四海一家我們來看看海軍四海一家的資料他的主管機關是海軍嘛那開始營運的時間是民國39年8月21號那他的地址是在高雄市的左營區那他的優惠對象是現役的軍人、軍爵還有農民、農眷與國防相關的人員 |
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這邊部長這個場所它是否為我們觀光署列管的對象目前應該是對但是高雄市政府它屬於地方政府他們也會分工來做列管 |
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14054.255 |
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署長您提到高雄市政府對他並沒有說到我們觀光署列館在裡面清分的時候是市政府裡面他沒有提報嘛所以他沒有提報那我們這個條文都已經推動10年了對對所以高雄市政府他有本身有去做分工是由那個部長請問交通部要不要來做檢討 |
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這個部分我們就一直在檢討沒有什麼問題因為這個目前的列管的部分的定義是透過22個縣市政府那他有沒有來做登記他是不是縣市政府提報公司政府就表示他要退場 |
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他目前並沒有退場我們目前得到的訊息是海軍司令部有表示說我們在1月21號之後他將會歇業或者是轉做其他的用途確實是這樣子所以署長您確認他明年會來做歇業嗎我們在3月開會的時候國防部也表示這樣子他沒有其他的意見 |
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署長您就是最好先回去就是請相關單位提供資料我們再去跟他們了解一下我們再去跟他們了解一下是不是真的有要追查是因為本席今天會以我們這個世海一家為例是因為如果政府橋下單位可以不做旅館業登記那卻要求國軍英雄館然後還有青年活動中心他們要來做旅館業的登記那這樣子不免會讓其他單位所以是不是有雙重標準應該也是要做旅館業登記我也特別利用這個機會澄清一下譬如說 |
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有些公司行號他自己提供給自己員工的他也沒收費沒有這種營業的行為我們剛才看到他確實是有收費對這要查證請署長先去做查證不確定的我們就查證我們高中市政府時間一到我們就請高中市政府要查辦 |
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那這邊本席也要希望這次的修法讓有意願登記的業者我們公安署這邊也要來協助他們這部分我們會來協助那我們接下來看那個防偽車牌那本席在上個月16號在委員會當中也有針對變造車牌來向部長提出進行跨部會的 |
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14189.73 |
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寫上那上週五的時候公路局有邀請我們警政署還有高工局針對防偽車牌進行討論那針對防偽的部分那本席了解到交通部比較偏向實務面那所以找了警政署來進行研議那部長知道這個會議嗎我知道他們有開這個會議是那會議的會議討論下來有初步的規劃嗎可以跟委員報告嗎 |
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跟我有報告就是我們是對於就是說防偽車牌的相關的一個未來的一個設計那請警政署、公共局給我們一些意見那基本上就是說大概有初步達成明年度大概防偽功能的一個增加的一個規劃的一個共識 |
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| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副 |
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14239.763 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
14256.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
報告委員我們這個提高罰則的部分目前在我們修法版本裡面有我們會提高到三萬六這個部分我們當然是朝這個方向那包含車輛沒入的部分我們也會把它加進來也就是說整體罰則都會來提高跟增加OK好謝謝部長說明以上謝謝委員好謝謝邱委員接下來有請林德福委員發言 |
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| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
14298.156 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
謝謝主席是不是請陳部長陳部長部長你好我想立法院預算中心指出103年統計一二年八月無法追討通行會的這個案件數大約有差不多312萬件那 |
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14302.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
14326.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
欠收的金額差不多兩千零七十七萬那主要原因就是這個偽變造的車牌或遮蔽車牌等以至於沒有辦法掌握用路人的資料此外通行會預期未繳開單者每筆差不多三百元的這個罰款那出估應該有上億元的罰款 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
14328.166 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
14336.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
那這個本席今天這個這個整個也有法案進行審查針對懸掛這個 |
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14341.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
14368.668 |
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撬車牌的車輛提高處罰如果大家有共識針對使用撬車牌的車輛也應該要直接沒入車輛本席也贊成部長你有沒有贊同報告委員我們目前修法的方向除了這個罰則罰金的部分增加到三萬六之外對於沒入車輛的部分我們也有把它修訂進去我認為應該要這樣子才可以杜絕才可以防患因為吼 |
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偽造車牌、撬車輛的這些車輛所積欠的國道通行會預期未繳罰還者,交通部你們後續認為要怎麼處理比較好?跟委員報告目前我們是在加強就是說去跟他再去做吹頭 |
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我認為 你看怎麼處理你給本席一個書面的資料好不好那個部長 是國道這個施工養護的必要為了保護施工人員的安全近年來開始使用反撞車這個避免施工人員直接遭受到車輛高速的衝撞但是根據高工局統計2023年 |
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則有超過121件等於是平均三天就發生一次反撞車的事故而上週連續兩天在高速公路與快速道路都有追撞反撞車事故的發生那我請問交通部追撞反撞車的問題 |
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有沒有辦法有效的控制呢?這部分那個跟委員報告這還是用戶人要專心駕駛因為仿造車它是非常明顯的一個車輛那我們現在看到就是說有一半以上它是開啟輔助駕駛就是人就沒有去注意那路況另外有一些是疲勞駕駛所以它直接就撞上去那這所有的一個那個事故的部分都有都有在做一個那個跟公警的部分來一個協調那看怎樣來做那個 |
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那我請教這個運輸安全委員會是不是能夠提供給交通部改善的建立看會從調整道路養護的方法著手還是強化緩撞車的警示效果跟委員報告我們所有的每一件的那個事故都有送那個運安會來做一個那個我是希望能夠把方法提出來怎麼去杜絕怎麼緩緩好不好 |
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這個還是要用路人他要注意路況才有辦法說完全杜絕那我們這部分我們只能盡量的一個防止而已盡量宣導請用路人在開車的時候不要太過依賴那個自動輔助駕駛的系統自己要專注 |
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本席以觀光安全的角度來提醒陳部長兩件事一個是觀光風景區公共設施要做好維護另外一個是遊覽車的維修檢測要落實這兩件很重要因為上個禮拜阿里山某座吊橋旁的景觀台的木棧道斷裂造成一死四傷 |
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出意外的不是吊橋而是旁邊的景觀台的木棧道尤其今年風災、地震、頻傳本期是希望這個著名觀光風景區的公共設施要做好基本的安全維護 |
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部長你的看法呢?是,報告委員您剛所提到阿里山的那個案子齁他那個是轄管是鄉公所鄉公所他們的一個建制啦齁那當然不是在不是在觀光署的一個建制裡面但這個部分我們也會再去巡查齁我們會去巡查去要求說地方政府他們所轄管的一些觀光類的這個這個製作或者建設的話他的安全品質要顧及這個我認為很重要當然這個案子很重要因為齁你定期要去巡視 |
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因為你有的久了其實你這是疏忽並不是說他故意但是疏忽以後就造成很嚴重的問題出來因為像今年5月、10月分別發生遊覽車火燒事件本期也希望交通部要落實遊覽車的安全管理要求業者做好遊覽車的維修 |
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讓遊客開心出遊安全回家交通部真的要硬起來要好好的處理部長您的看法我們會來努力這個定期巡查的部分其實一直都有在做我們也希望不要再發生意外最後一條日本台灣交流協會公布2023年的版日本人在台安全的這個 |
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安全指南提醒日本人在台灣外出時要請務必要注意防預防這個交通事故該指南提到台灣人口約為日本人口的五分之一而已但是到2021年台灣交通事故的數量超過了日本國內交通事故的數 |
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數量交通事故的風險比日本還高北京市希望交通部要努力改善行人安全的問題對觀光客長距的景點比如說台北101、北門郵局周邊的這些行人穿越道優先補助地方政府的設置、科技的執法以洗刷台灣交通負面的一些形象 |
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部長,你的看法呢?好,這個部分不只是觀光客在意啦更在意的是我們的國人所以這個部分交通部應該要來努力讓行人更安全我認為這個很重要好,謝謝好,謝謝委員好,謝謝林委員接下來有請賴世寶委員發言 |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請交通部的陳部長陳部長陳部長我在這個地方有質詢過你就是自由貿易港區現在還囤積著 |
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家樂園跟電子園家樂園電子園到現在為止都算是違禁品都不合法家樂園不合法電子園不合法因為這裡面來講大家擔心的是家樂園電子園啊裡面有那個大馬的萃取物 |
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而且不要忘了最近幾天前行政院的卓院長還指示把伊托米子當作二級毒品當然這個跟那個是另外一件事情可是可見的我們現在行政院很重視反毒反毒那現在自由貿易港區的囤積的電子煙加熱煙我記得上一次我質詢過你你說一個月內要給我一個答案現在有沒有答案 |
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好,報告委員我會請那個民航的部分那個航港局趕快提供給委員那但是自由貿易港區是這個樣子委員您在說的是他可能會到境內來但自由貿易港區的東西是不會進來的他們是直接走出去的自由貿易港區相關的條例第15條規定很清楚違禁品不能夠進去啊 |
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結果你們現在禁止軍品都已經放在那裡就照規定不可以放啦如果你說我只是轉一下那裡面放麻煩可以嗎放炮彈可以嗎那不可以啊不可以啊而且現在大家一推二百五喔這個自由貿易港區主目的事業儲管單位明明就是交通部 |
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我得到的訊息是你們現在推給衛福部衛福部拒絕啊他不要當主管單位現在沒有人主管單位但是我們的法律規定你就是主管單位的主管是 |
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跳起來啊!你不能說他要擺舞啊!但是在查的過程當中因為當然你們要會他啦!但是主管是你!那個地方是我們沒有錯啦!對!主管是你!跟航空公司跟航空局他們有在查這個這個你把報告盡快給我!我上一次一個月前我就執行過你你答應我一個月給答案怎麼處理到現在為止我所知道你們一直要推想推給其它單位也推不動!另外一個大家都知道 |
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今天來講大家很關心這個觀光的問題我們現在觀光逆差7千億了對不對我們說要把觀光業那個吳淵聰的產業產值要破照居然沒辦法破照了對吧這個跳票了吧造園的產業不可能了 |
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這個我們要努力啦他除了國外的旅客進來之外我們還要包含國旅請問你今年750萬的外客可以達標嗎?應該是可以啦750萬這個沒有問題原來是1000萬 |
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這個250萬怎麼來就很簡單開放入客入客平均一年有270萬幾年前270萬就OK了我們很歡迎入客來我們很歡迎入客來但是對岸他們有些政治上面的限制你應該也清楚他其他的省份大部分是不允許來台灣的目前是只有開放福建福建可以到媽祖跟金門但是對岸那邊有限制那個不是我們這邊限制的 |
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有個東西啦你不能夠一推一推250全部都推給什麼陸委會啊交通部要挑起來你應該在院會裡面你要提出一個建議我現在告訴你有個方法你仔細聽喔自由貿易港區就是好的解方自由貿易港區什麼意思就境內關外境內關外 |
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的概念就是我們當初要推自由經濟示範區的時候就是這個概念說讓入客入貨可以來這裡形同它是關外它不是台灣的所以你那政治東西可以拿掉它就只有來這裡啊 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 |
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委員這個建議很好,我們來建議一下,我們來建議一下,但看對岸接不接受啦,如果對岸接受的話,我們內部我們來討論。所以我剛才,我看了新聞啊,就覺得說你這部長毫無作為啊,就說啊,陸委會沒辦法,這沒辦法,你要想。 |
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對不對,自由貿易港區是好的企業法,好的企業法,境內關外,在台灣境內但是視同關外,所以,大陸的路客來這裡呢,欸,這不是來我們家,那就很多的市府就拿掉啦,這個東西你想一想啊。 |
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好,我們朝著方向來討論一下,討論一下比較可行的。因為現在看起來只有陸柯,而且陸柯大家也知道他的消費額是日本客的兩倍啊,平均的兩倍啊,消費力強,人就多。我們也很歡迎陸柯來討論。很方便的,現在你問你卡住嗎?卡住這個是解放,自由貿易港區是解放,可以嗎? |
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好,我們朝這個方向來討論,好不好,你們規劃一下吧。好,謝謝委員。好,謝謝賴委員。接下來有請羅志強委員發言。有請部長。好,陳部長。 |
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請問部長你知道2016年到2023年平均每年違反道路交通管理處罰條例第21條的各項各款包括未領有駕照、偽造、變造、駕照、駕照、吊銷、吊扣等無照駕駛的總案件量是多少每年平均每年大概30萬件左右 |
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我這邊看到是27.7萬件每天大概將近760件那這還只是抓到的路上無照的黑數不知道有多少那絕對是臺灣我們道路安全的一個重大隱患對不對是沒錯 |
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那我也看到交通部在10月底召開記者會說這個宣布要推動修法主要方向是四個第一個是提高相關罰環1.5倍然後第二延長吊扣牌照期間第三個是車輛當場一致保管 |
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期滿才能領回。第四、致人輕傷4年不得考領。致人重傷死亡終生不得考領。請問還會有其他修法方向嗎?除了這四大點以外。報告委員目前我們大概修法方向就是這四個重點。事實上道教處罰條例21條去年4月也修訂過。 |
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那麼六月上路當時修法方向其實也差不多就是提高罰緩嘛對不對然後增加調扣期間嘛那你知道去年修法之後違反這個道交條例第21條更緩各項的案件有明顯下滑嗎報告委員沒有明顯下滑對所以這次我們才會再推動一次的這個修法 |
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所以其實去年修法方案跟今年大部分相同只是有加得更嚴一點是不是交通部10月能提出的方案能不能解決問題其實我覺得很多民眾還是會有一點問號因為去年已經加重一次 |
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這個加重似乎也沒有達到明顯的效果那今年再加重是不是能達到明顯的效果當然我覺得民眾中間就會有一點心理的疑惑比方說去年這個徵定道交處罰條21條第二項就是汽車駕駛在五年內累犯兩次以上那違反案件其實去年的平均是15727件今年反而變多了是16194件 |
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那另外包括說第三項就是汽車駕照被吊扣吊銷仍然駕駛去年的月平均是2064件今年就變成是2918件這兩個其實都是加嚴那為什麼結果反而數字是上升呢這兩項 |
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報告委員這個數字確實是上升那這個部分我們這次在加研的部分有特別在加入就是說汽車的部分要直接 |
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一致保管 直接一致保管然後另外就是牌照的部分就直接扣下來了這個部分我們也會再來做加強我這樣跟部長說啦當然我覺得那個部長你們現在修法當然是希望能夠透過提高罰則然後能夠去減少這些道路危害的一些狀況可是我覺得 |
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很多都是集中在所謂的駕照、罰緩但是我覺得其實還有一個重點就是車輛車輛就一致保管一致保管就是不能開的意思我覺得基本上除了一致保管期滿才能領回之外有沒有考慮到所謂的末路車輛的可能性 |
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末路應該是看狀況根本報告末路的部分的話大概先行第二項就是說無照駕駛如果致人這一個重傷死亡就這一個直接末路我講的是把條件所謂的這個含澀性再放大一點有可能嗎這個部分可能要整體和明信再做一個考量那因為無照駕駛的部分的話確實剛剛委員提到 |
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我這樣講其實你們的修法裡面有一樣就有效果剛剛前面講兩個其實都是比較屬於對人性的那你就發現其實你增加加嚴之後其實案件還是增加反而增加但是你們在這個道交條例處罰條例21條第6項 |
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是連坐嚴懲汽車的所有人這是唯一去年到今年有明顯減少的新規定去年月平均是1130件今年剩下890件所以我覺得有些東西你可以參考去年的修法的狀況但你對車子本身如果說有一些更嚴格的處置的話我覺得可能嚇阻力會更強 |
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當然現在有一些末路的規定但是末路規定可能太狹隘太狹限了那是不是可以考慮針對末路的規定能夠有更一體的一個研究是 報告委員我們到時候案子送來的時候是不是我們在委員會我們再來繼續來討論好 那我有再提那個法律案到時候請那個交通部再來參考一下是好 以上 謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝羅委員接下來有請洪孟楷委員發言 |
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好主席謝謝麻煩請陳世凱部長陳部長好部長近年來偽變造車牌氾濫假車牌讓人家生物痛絕就是因為它害人害己而且社會成本讓全民承擔本集特別看了一下你今天的報告專題報告裡面以及我們相關單位提出這個報告有講好 |
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15466.124 |
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你的報告第三頁要求說讓我們的查緝作為源頭管理讓他買不到第二頁買不到第三頁修法加重處罰不敢賣如果說可以做到的話本席認同而且本席在 |
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三個月前、兩個多月前踢爆現在的一個網路亂象之後我們也認為說應該要有更積極的作為去讓它買不到跟不敢賣但是如同我今天早上提案說明現在的狀況是什麼我們來看一下你只要打關鍵字這個是今天早上你看11點36分本席剛剛 |
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去社群媒體平台看的只要你搜尋關鍵字有帳號有下面一比一製作機車、汽車、貨車提供號碼就可再來洋洋灑灑有加ID專業定做台灣一比一車牌再來還有請勿上路犯法該不負責 |
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那他重點在於是他就是告訴你說你可以買仿真車牌啊來部長這麼嚴重的狀況跟氾濫的狀況源頭管理我們能夠怎麼做 |
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包括源頭管理的部分一部分是從海關的部分就是說官務的部分也有協助我們讓這種假車牌進不來那第二個部分其實就是您現在所指出來的這個網路上面的部分我們現在公路局其實每一天都有用機器人程式在掃有掃到的就會馬上移送那馬上移送另外我們也會拜託速發部那邊幫我們做下架的動作不過目前確實數字上有些落差我們移送了大概500多件 |
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那實際上下架差不多40幾件41件而已那中間的落差有一部分是在於說他是個人的LINE的群組或者是他個人的臉書這個部分確實速度慢了那我們也希望說是不是明天有跟速發部會議開會再討論這件事明天速發部也會召開會議再來確認網路上面怎麼樣能夠下架能夠再加速 |
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你自己的第二頁變造車牌公路局近三年違規的統計111年56件、112年50件到113年69件所以換言之其實你們從111年就已經注意到這樣的一個議題了 |
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那只是因為在今年是大幅的成長再加上本席之前提案說明沒有講今年的幾個重大的刑案它都跟假車牌其實有相關警政署也有跟本席私下有講幾個台南發生的重大槍擊事件為什麼那麼難抓就是因為那個車手都是用假車牌 |
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所以製造斷點製造斷點之後所以說才會變成是很多的重大型案沒有辦法去追究這個真兇那這些問題難道都沒有看到嗎本席現在只講我們現在到目前為止如果說我們現在討論當然提高罰則、目錄車輛本席都支持甚至本席有提的提案只要任何人行政部門或說我們委員有更嚴格版本我也樂意支持 |
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就是因為我認為是說現在這樣的狀況已經是太誇張氾濫到一個浪費國家資源而且浪費讓我們的治安已經受到嚴重的衝擊可是到重點在於是說那現在這一些部分勒 |
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是執法面的部分報告委員我們跟這個內政部警政署還有就是訴發部的部分的跨部會的合作我們也積極正在協調當中部長有沒有信心好你說跨部會合作但也已經那麼久了有沒有信心至少能夠不要讓國人那麼輕易的搜尋到我覺得有些時候是這樣子我可能不一定有犯意但是 |
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15748.244 |
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太簡單了太便宜了5000塊8000塊一個那可能就被我本來沒有我滑著滑著滑著我也就覺得說不然買買看會不會有這樣的狀況可能有來部長有沒有信心跟速發部如果說速發部真的沒有你說明天要開會那能不能部長跟直接跟速發部部長 |
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我們陳部長跟黃部長兩個人討論一下怎麼樣能夠解決至少讓如果說必要的時候再加劉部長嘛內政部也一起來嘛至少讓國人不要在社群媒體那麼容易找到這個資訊 |
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對 這個部分報告委員我會來請教這個黃部長在抒發部的部分能夠提供什麼樣子的協助我覺得這個議題要多管齊下各部會自己轄管的部分我們大家一起來努力那交通部的部分針對這個罰則的部分我們也提出了一個精進的方案那也是委員你們也一直很關注所以大家一起來努力這個方向好 所以你會親自跟部長來溝通我可以跟黃部長通電話好 謝謝 |
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來那最後一分鐘的時間我只在關心另外一個議題因為本席接到很多的陳情就是計程車的一個部分現在說掛牌的權利金要飆漲還說我們的靠行的計程車的車費也要被調漲從過去一個月1200元到現在有車行調漲到1800元甚至有人講是說出現聯合漲價的一個情況那 |
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部長之前不管是雙北或是高雄車行都有調漲那4月的時候交通部有下令說要請公路局來做調查但到目前為止我們到底有沒有違反因為好像也沒有一個下文可是調漲聯合調漲是事實甚至計程車業者有計程車司機有講說他不排除要上街抗議 |
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這兩個部分一個部分他的轄管是地方政府我們有請台北市的交通局要來查處這個部分那第二個部分在公平會的部分我們應該也有協助協助我們的計程車那你們查到的狀況現在半年過去了到底有沒有聯合調查 |
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跟委員報告一下4月份那個部分我們立即就把文轉給這個臺北市政府交通局那臺北市據我所了解的部分臺北市政府交通局這個公務處大概也跟這些公共會有跟他們做這一個回覆說明但是可能有些個案沒有處理到這一個相關比較細部的部分所以他們這個公會跟聯盟有在聊文所以我們在上禮拜立即再把這個公文 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 |
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有這些相關這個契約跟這個執行的一個這個機制所以請六都交通局這個第一個去這個查查做了解那另外部分也一邊提到如果說有涉及到聯絡壟斷的部分那請他們立即通報給公民會來做查處市長本席給你一分鐘的時間結果講完之後你沒有回答問題耶 |
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我們現在在講的是說連新聞都報導了小黃駕駛都已經跟我本席我相信可能很多委員也都有接到類似的陳情確實就是有調漲嘛從原本的這個靠航費用一個月1200元變1200變1800 |
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包委員這個查組是在地方政府是我們有講給地方政府請他們去查組但現在的狀況我們問路政司對不對你相關單位說到底有沒有這樣的狀況結果講了半天之後過了半年你六都還是沒有掌握啊那我身為中央主管機關難道可以放任嗎 |
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我不管是車廂政府或地方政府第一有調漲是事實那如果說有調漲的話有沒有聯合壟斷的狀況那第二很多人也在討論啊過去可能有時空背景計程車需要抗航費那但到底抗航費的意義是什麼 |
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現在很多計程車駕駛也問我們這件事我們說實在我一瞬間我也不知道你計程車司機已經考到職業駕照了那也是我們交通部的相關監理單位發的這個職業駕照可是你也不能上路你還是要去靠一個行這個是地方管轄目前他們沒有通報我們那這個部分因為您在要求我們趕快去跟他們地方政府瞭解一下他們目前查處的狀況 |
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因為現在真的很多的小黃司機他們認為是說他們羊毛出在羊身上但是好像被層層剝削他們就是最末端最可憐的就是我們會跟地方政府來瞭解他們查處的狀況什麼時候可以給本席一個回覆一個禮拜可以嗎兩個禮拜我們發文去問他們啊等他們回我們跟你們報告本席還是會持續的關心兩個禮拜給本席跟交通委員會委員回覆好嗎好謝謝 |
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賴慧媛委員賴慧媛委員發言陳部長 |
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部長先跟你討論一個時事的議題2024這個世界棒球12強賽火熱在進行尤其是昨天昨天我們11比3大勝澳洲你知道現在一群人大家就是11月21到25大家都要到東京去那這個機票都買不到 |
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是,報告委員我們今天確實有看到數據就是今天的訂票率非常的高到昨天還沒什麼變化但今天變化就蠻大的那這個部分民航局也已經在協調我們自己的國航兩個方面啦一個方面是加開班機第二個方面是有沒有可能我們直接小機型換大機型讓載客的量可以再增加這個部分我們正在努力啦 |
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二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »: |
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那接著我要跟你討論就是我們這個配合2050年今年排碳就是我們所有直轄市的這個電動公車在2030年可能就是說全面的電動化嗎這個有機會達到嗎那我先用台南市就是的案例來跟部長做一個探討 |
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黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ |
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二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、 |
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他就倒了一家然後退了一家為什麼因為這個補助的誘因是不足的部長你怎麼看待如果這是公車業者他如果在補助不足的時候他是不是會轉嫁到消費者身上來這個是最直接的嘛部長你有沒有一個比較好的好的一個方式來應對呢我們這個運具的電動化尤其在公共運輸的部分公車的部分其實我們確實有訂立出一個目標 |
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那目前我們其實全國的數字來看是有達到那個目標的進度啦今年2024年該達到的進度我們都有達到那台南的部分數字上應該也還是在進度當中嘛還在進度當中那未來確實委員您所說的就是這個誘因要充足的部分過去的運行到目前為止其實是都還大家都還能夠運行 |
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你現在有達到不代表你在5年內你可以充分的就是說把所有還沒有達到的這1萬多的一個數量那你國內只有3家就是國產國造的這些電動車牌目前已經到4家應該還會再增加 |
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二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »:一、二、審查 »: |
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全台灣這幾萬台的公車的一個淘汰顯然你是認為就是說已經是第四家業者審核通過了那所以沒有問題五年內可以做出這麼多的一個電動公車的一個補足嗎 |
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我們現在盡量一方面補助買車的業者二方面也希望說可以提供車輛的這些業者能夠健全一點經濟部也在協助這個部分尤其在國產化的部分也在努力當中那我們會跟委員您今天所提到的我們會趕快跟業者 |
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尤其是客運業者趕快來溝通說如果還有需要什麼樣的幫助或協助讓他們未來可以能夠快速的達標的話這個部分我們來跟他們協調部長在這裡跟你做一些建議這個就是說我們其實就是在這整體的研究裡頭有 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 |
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黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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自己維修的保養的一個能力啊那避免就是你的電商就是沿帶的保養那是還有就是烘台會用那不知道就是說部長你怎麼來看待這些?維修跟保養的這個部分是不是我們公路局其實有在協助啦有在協助他們客運公司自己訓練他們的人員可以自己來做維修跟保養就不會被製造商掐住脖子 |
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我覺得這樣子就是這樣子一個胡搗是很正向的可是你的量要大你的量要大你的量能大的話你就不至於就是說被電商就是掐住你的脖子那我們也在這裡這個是客運業者希望我們轉達的一個就是說這個他們個人的一個建議他們說電動車就是一直透過客運者來領取政府的一個補助 |
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可是這所有政府的補助相關部門驗收跟審查作業通通都是在刻印業者長期的一個承擔已經接近12年了喔那這個是一個好奇怪的政策啊怎麼為什麼這個補助款是電動業業者 |
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他這些車商領走了那所有的這些審查的作業而是客運業者要去那個來做的所以這個我想部長那個要注意這些問題那我也希望你給我一個書面的一個回應 |
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最新的電動車大客車的登記的一個數量你要必須充分去掌握還有各縣市市區的公車電動化的一個進度電動巴士國產化目前推動的一個進度那在跟那個主席借用一分鐘的時間接著就是要跟部長特別提到了就是那個討論T-BUS在我的選區執行上的一個困難因為 |
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黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人, |
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黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人, |
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沒有多少錢幾千萬而已你一定可以你絕對可以你再來再下一張這個為什麼為什麼只有幾千萬這個因為兩地的系統的整合卡關了那在嘉義的時候他的票務的系統跟那個南高屏的統一票務的一個系統他沒有辦法連結所以我希望就是說是不是部長你可以來幫我們處理這樣子一個很簡單的一個問題 |
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我們這個趕快跟地方政府來協調看要怎麼對大家要有共識啦大家有共識兩邊的地方政府都有共識就是沒錢 |
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呃跟我們報告補助上面的話其實台鐵的這個票差的部分其實我們是補助90%對是很高的對所以啊啊就是因為還切個切個那麼一點點錢哈是不是我們再把加把勁我們把那個把它促成好不好部長我希望就是說再談一下跟政府再談一下謝謝謝謝主席 |
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好 謝謝那委員做一下宣告待會發言到吳立華委員之後休息20分鐘接下來有請楊瓊英委員謝主席本席要請邀請部長 |
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部長好。我想今天我要跟您討論今天主席所安排的議題,也就是偽造車牌的事件。我們看到現在偽造車牌達到1012件。 |
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那如果以刑法來移送的部分是859件那有大概有這個896人那嚴重的影響整個車牌的管理那特別對於整個道路交通安全以及社會治安是有很大的一個傷害 |
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甚至懸掛偽造的車牌他不斷的不斷的去違規駕駛造成車牌被盜用的車主他非常的無辜他一直收到這個這個罰單那收到這個罰單雖然有的他沒有報案那就真的是史無對證了那有的有去報案他要花很多的時間去申訴而且他還要回到你的監理站去申請變更的車牌這非常的老民事件不斷的在報 |
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不斷地在報所以本席要提出很多的委員大家我們也包括本席也都提出了這個修法那你們到現在才說要提出修法那現在進度如何呢 |
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報告委員我們其實修法的整體的版本其實在交通部裡面有擬定了一段時間你到上週才說你要研擬嘛對不對那現在進度到哪裡已經研擬一段時間上週的報告跟社會說是說已經研擬了一個成果跟結論了什麼時候你預計什麼時候會送出來呢 |
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我們希望能夠在一個月之內能夠送到立法院一個月內送到立法院因為部長這個的確一定要加油一定要提起勁好好去做這個危害大家太傷腦筋了那所以呢我們現在看到你除了提高這個罰則對不對你們的修法內容方向提高罰則然後呢 |
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接下來對於變造的這些來源你要怎麼樣溯耕你要怎麼去斷源呢對不對溯耕的部分其實我們跟執法單位也就是說警政署的部分其實我們有努力一起在做但是成效就是越來越糟糕有在找源頭所以我告訴你你現在正在修你包括你要怎麼樣去追耕你要去斷源接下來還有一個也就是你讓使用者買不到 |
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他沒有出入就沒好啊就是源頭管制的部分對他使用者買不到啊還有一個不啊使用者不敢用啊你要多面向去啊如果你也一樣只有提高罰則那也是沒有用啊目前現況就是這麼糟糕啊包含沒入車輛的部分也是我們這次修法的重點未來如果會沒入車輛我相信使用這個假車牌的人應該會好好考慮一下會預計在這個部分嗎對 |
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會默入車輛在你這一次的修法的重點?對,在這次修法裡面也會納入默入車輛的部分除了罰則提高,另外就是默入車輛的部分我覺得應該會讓大家有…好,所以你一個月內將你們的法要送到立法院來那我們大家再好好討論因為這困擾了民眾,太困擾了那有些民眾因為被吊銷或只是吊扣 |
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他就在那個社群平台就買了一個買了一個假車牌了他也不知道違法這樣有沒有違法 |
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你去買那個車牌來搗咧,這樣有沒有違法違法違法嘛違法你們要大力去宣導它不只違法,它還涉及到刑法它還偽造耶,特種文書啊對不對是沒有錯,這個有刑法的這個有刑法的啊對你們都點頭啊可是還是很多人不知道啊啊我就被吊銷了啊所以我就去網路很方便啊他就寄一個車牌來給我,我就給他吊上去啊 |
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委員這個我們加強宣導加強宣導要讓民眾知道說這個是違法的行為以後不要再做這個一定要加強宣導因為 |
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本席也就是說你不要說因為台灣的民眾有很多很善良的是他的確需要車子他就想盡一些辦法他取到他最簡單的方式可以取得那這個就糟糕所以本席要求必須要加強去宣導加強去宣導那接下來我要請問說像這樣的一個情況之下很多民眾敢買變造車牌的幫兇 |
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那我們要怎麼樣去改善我們要怎麼樣改善因為你使用了偽造車牌的情況呢那你違反了這個很多的治安嘛很多的治安所以在這樣的情況之下我們看到今年到現在喔越來越多這樣的現象 |
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你看他好像不重要但是他就是困擾著每一個人的家庭這個真的是很困擾所以呢你跟警方這邊的橫向聯繫你們有沒有聯繫的管道跟平台來掌控這些最新的資料其實報告委員我們跨部會的協調跟跨部會合作目前在查緝跟這個從源頭管制的部分我們目前都一直在進行當中都一直在進行當中好 這個就是部長我要 |
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讓你講我故意要讓你講你現在都有在查緝當中可是結果論是不好的所以我請你去精進方案好不好你們的聯絡平台你們的聯絡管道要怎麼去精進這是我今天本席今天所要質詢的重點好不好你去研議書面資料給本席多久給本席 |
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本席也就是希望說我們看到社會面向都是你們辛苦現在在做但是做來成績不理想的時候拜託你們要怎麼去調整好不好來無照駕駛這麼嚴肅的議題你看到東湖高中生的事件偷開了阿公的車上路了新竹17歲的孩子 |
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晚上就把你開出來了部長你看到這些無照駕駛造成這樣子的嚴肅的議題你有沒有什麼方法你即使提高罰則也就是罰則罰錢 |
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他還是一樣偷偷就開出來怎麼辦有沒有什麼方案可以去因應一方面提高罰則包括未來的這個車輛我們會一致管理讓他們有警惕心之外針對年長就是65歲以上沒有駕照的這個部分我們會盡量輔導他們去考駕照那對於年幼也就是還未成年的這個部分我們也會加強輔導跟教育單位做輔導而且要列管 |
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要列管就是說這些人員第一我們要列管學校要關懷第二就是說針對家長的責任的部分我們也會把他加進來就是家長如果發生這樣的事情家長要一起來上課部長你講到這個重點我們一起來討論你政府是不是應當從家庭的觀念養成這個監製的這個監製的機制那也就是因為無照駕駛他本來就是未成年 |
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所以家長本來他就是有責任那所以呢無照駕駛他不只是一個交通安全的問題他是一個社會安全的問題對不對也因為基於這樣的原因你要怎麼樣去做是不是這個家長的部分他的一個 |
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連坐對象這是必須納入裡面的要不然你一個小孩他就未成年啊那這怎麼辦呢你要怎麼樣去推廣啊對不對你只好家長你要有責任去管控這個孩子啊 |
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對,在這次的求法裡面我們把家長的責任也都納進來對象納入嘛,同不同意對,沒有錯應該要納入,好好的去宣導,好好的去管控好不好,不然這樣子我們對一個未成年你也沒他什麼責啊那這怎麼辦呢,所以不能造成這樣社會的一個不安嘛那連帶這個你贊同把家長納入在你們的這個類別內嘛對不對 |
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吳春成委員發言 |
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主席有請陳部長、公路局陳局長、觀光署的周署長 |
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副部長好委員好辛苦了到這麼晚不會那個我在立法院都在推動這個人口的政策是部長知道嗎我知道有聽說針對壯年的部分對對對壯時代壯時代好在43天臺灣就進入超高齡社會交通部準備好了嗎交通部有這個有在為超高齡社會做一些什麼政策的調整嗎有沒有 |
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報告委員幾個部分一個部分針對公共運輸的部分確實超高齡之後很多的長者他們需要更多的公共運輸尤其是比較偏鄉的部分這個部分我們有在做努力那另外針對這個坦白說我們這個公共運輸的這個公車業者、客運業者他們的這個駕駛不足我們也把這個年齡有調升讓一些比較超過65歲以上的還可以繼續來做駕駛昨天在喜來德那邊就發生一個 |
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車禍、一個車禍對不對有死亡車禍就是年輕的公車駕駛者然後撞死了這個高齡的行人好OK這個這個現在目前這個我們到我們溫德公路局根據這一個的調查現在 |
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現在這個駕車肇事率是隨著年齡增加而遞減年齡增加從這個表來看18歲到29歲有2900多件每10萬人70歲以上只有1100多件事實上是人口的最低 |
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這是駕車造勢70歲以上的是最低的所有00層當中最低在行人當中出事的隨著年齡增加而遞增最年輕的只有10.66件70歲以上只有最高有46.66件 |
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這一個我們從去年113年1到8月65歲上高齡者的交通死亡人數前十大原因當中第一個排名第一名的是重型機車 |
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重型機車死亡最多占所有死亡當中的57%高齡者騎重型機車非常危險第二就是行人行人走路高齡者走路很危險占了19%第二名第三個是什麼 |
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自行車、騎腳踏車危險占了9%第四個是當乘客、坐車當乘客占4%開小客車占3%這個沒有錯吧 局長沒有錯那現在目前公路局上面我來看請問75歲是不是要 |
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要換照?要取消他的駕照?75歲要再做認知功能測驗之後才能夠繼續就是說擁有駕照那為什麼他已經是出事最低的為什麼要特別有他特別待遇呢?他跟委員報告其實高齡者跟這個跟年輕人其實都是在事故的統計上面其實是兩個高峰 |
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六五以上一直到七五其實都還是算是高峰高峰是高峰所以剛才從那個那個是你們統計的數據嘛他開車出事是佔3%是最低的嘛那你不開車他就會變成前面騎腳踏車騎車或者當行人嘛對不對 |
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你剝奪他開車的權利他就會變成風險更高嘛你到底是想要降低那個風險還是增加那個風險這不是剝奪他開車的權利我們只是做體檢確認他的跑路速度夠快那每一個都要體檢我只是說這個重要政策其實這個隱含的是叫高齡歧視這違憲你知道嗎剝奪你要剝奪這個叫壯實在的開車權利嗎行動移動的自由嗎 |
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請檢討這個政策接下來我告訴我們部長現在75歲以上的人你看那個2024年有160萬人這些已經都被歧視了都要吊銷駕照了到了2050年會多少呢 |
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會到420萬人這些人都要被你列管嗎這個真的要檢討這個政策好不好要檢討這個政策另外一個不好意思再借我一分鐘就是另外一個就是觀光觀光產業建立交通部來鼓勵發展壯遊 |
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因為現在我們對所謂引髮想像的旅遊業都是坐著上車睡覺、下車尿尿把那個安全係數引髮旅遊搞得非常無趣其實這一塊 |
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這一塊我們從這裡振興國旅狀實在是主力啊主力從你各種的數據旅遊最多的包括非假日旅遊最多的錢最多的最有時間最有錢最有意願做什麼結果我們對這塊是任其方無 |
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任其方無而且這一塊台灣如果內部旅遊把它做起來還可以吸引觀光台灣是這一塊聖地耶寶島聖地旅遊中的交通部在這一部分好好的重視因為為什麼都不重視其實我推廣的各個部位我很清楚都是叫做年齡歧視我們都覺得你年紀到了一個程度以後就不好了隨便啦輕輕菜菜啦 |
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就是都這種觀念然後呢甚至去剝奪它的價值的這個違憲的這個權利我希望因為部長你很有心的你年輕嘛年輕有為很有新的觀念拜託把它來調整所以OK最後因為已經進入超高雄社會明年要有一個新的氣象不然政府毫無作為這個會被人家笑的啦所以我是不是可以請交通部全面檢討第一件事情壯世代的駕照政策 |
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第二個是撞車牌的觀光政策。可不可以在一個月之內提這個檢討報告給我的辦公室。好,沒有問題。可以齁?沒有問題。好,謝謝部長、謝謝委員。好,謝謝吳委員。接下來有請王洪威委員。王洪威委員不在。下一位請鍾嘉斌委員發言。 |
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二、主席、在場委員先進、列席政府專協長官員、會場工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生我上午在提案說明的時候已經有邀請過已經有先謝題了現在請大家來答題請我們交通部陳部長法務部的郭司長警政署的李副署長早上已經有謝過題了我要問的 |
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來,部長好、司長好、副處長好。部長,我的主題是假車牌要處末路銷毀方能嚇阻違規的罰單應向假牌的犯嫌追查。部長你知道嗎?哪些人在使用假車牌下一頁?我就跟你標示了嘛。是。要作案的人嘛。對。 |
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另外一個呢最近因為我們違規祭典很多車主啊他被吊罩那車牌被吊扣是不是這樣子那他的車豪車啊他怎麼開放在那裡不捨得啊買個假車牌來開嘛罰則太輕大量使用是不是這樣子確認齁OK往下看那為什麼我主張要末路銷毀車輛才能嚇阻犯罪呢副組長 |
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一般來講如果犯罪集團偷了張車掛上假車牌我請教一下他抓到這怎麼處理他的車輛是不是算是不是叫做犯罪所得犯罪集團他偷了車去犯案這個車是怎麼如果沒有找不到屍主 |
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蔣主席說世界的車輛當然是要先扣起來扣起來然後呢會不會拍賣犯罪所得拍賣嘛那到最後一段時間才會一起拍賣好部長要知道吼因為他被視為是犯罪所得法務部司長吼所以呢他就會被法拍你們知道嗎像這種犯案的車輛啊作案的張車法拍價格很低啊 |
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所以犯罪集團在哪買回來啊繼續犯案啊部長有沒有要求因為反正掛假車牌嘛部長了解了沒有所以如果說我們不把用假車牌犯案的車輛當作犯罪工具目錄銷毀他就在那邊循環嘛 |
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部長這樣了解了齁?好那接下來另外一個那如果我開豪車呢我的車三四百萬啦但是我被吊扣啊那我就弄了一個假車牌我沒有犯罪喔請問這輛車扣到了怎麼處理?拍賣嗎?末路嗎?銷毀嗎?還沒想過對不對?末路後怎麼樣? |
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末路後怎麼樣請他告訴他末路後怎麼樣根文包括末路後議規定可以銷毀可以銷毀其實我是覺得要大概區分一下用假車牌的目的我是認為末路銷毀這次出手很重很好打擊犯罪集團不要讓這些髒車無限循環但是如果他只是因為他買了豪車他用了假車牌他要來開開過過癮其實啊 |
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你讓他拿不回去他就已經很痛了是不是這樣子你們回去研究一下這題我沒有答案往下看那使用假車牌的這些違規罰單向誰拿我的車牌被人家拿去中假車牌了找我拿嗎不是嗎那現在以後呢我使用假車牌這個時間的違規罰單找誰罰 |
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當然是犯違規的那個人啦這個被害的車主行為人嘛 對不對就是行為人好所以這就是我們這一次修法本席提案的兩個重點透過加入末路銷毀來阻卻犯罪集團用假車牌用髒車繼續犯案但是我們要思考一下如果它是豪車 |
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他沒有犯案那他使用假車牌要怎麼去處罰你們要去斟酌以及最後我主張我們在使用假車牌之間的交通違規向行為人追查做得到嗎這個沒有錯一定是這麼做的沒有錯好那所以今天的本行就是這個提案然後也希望部長跟我們的司長還有我們警政署還有法務部未來 |
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對於日新月異的犯罪手法,我們要及時的透過相關的行政監禮手段來與嚇阻。部長同意嗎?同意。好,謝謝。是,謝謝委員。好,謝謝中委員。接下來有請吳立華委員發言。 |
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謝謝主席。有請部長。陳部長。 |
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部長您好今天那個官官發展條例我有提修法版本那最主要是我居住偏鄉所以我關心偏鄉的官官發展那長期以來我觀察其實對台灣來講山地丘陵佔了國土三分之二以上 |
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也就是說如果我們要發展觀光大概就是在山地丘陵區域所以觀光發展條例其實對我們來講很重要那這其中我覺得我們目前遇到的困境就是發展觀光要有吃、有住、有交通但是山地都居於劣勢那前幾年要特別感謝我們交通部、公路局 |
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他有修訂一個叫做汽車運輸業的管理規則也就是開放小客車、自用車投入偏鄉的運輸那我也有參與那為什麼這個很重要因為我們到山上去幾乎都是禁止甲乙類啊 |
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那些路那你甲類乙類都不行那有什麼好觀光發展所以對我們來講自用車、小客車如果它也能夠有合法的牌我們就有生意可以做我們也可以帶我們的客人進去觀光所以我覺得這個部分很好但是有一個部分就是住困難重重 |
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因為我們受限於那些水保法光是要變更地幕就很難所以要在山上蓋大飯店除非是以前現在是幾乎不可能 |
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所以我們也很高興觀光署在推動民宿我們也都在努力的在協助推動然後呢我們剛剛才推了一個就是露營場的合法化那也可以但是公告上路兩年以來合法的沒有幾家欸很難欸既有的要合法沒辦法反而是新設的它可能還有點辦法 |
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所以我覺得在這個部分如果我們的發展觀光條例再有所限制的話那真的是扼殺了我們偏鄉的觀光發展所以我想說的就是我們目前會碰到的我就不講露營場裡面會提到的就是民宿 |
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那民宿呢?如果我們現在要關於這些沒有上位登記的也就是非法的要去處理它的罰則的時候當然我同意你把它分類觀光旅館或者是一般的旅館以及民宿我同意觀光旅館罰則要把它拉高一點所以呢到200萬我覺得OK |
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但是我比較有意見的是說即便我們用行政罰罰的行政裁量權去控制它的樓地板跟天花板我覺得也蠻危險的 |
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其實對很多民宿業者來講這個是很沉重的負擔可能會扼殺他願意被輔導合法化所以這個部分我自己的版本是希望還是要分等級啦但是如果不要分等級我們用法律的體率給他寫幾到幾萬我也沒意見但是我希望那個樓地板要低 |
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讓那個行政裁量不至於造成去扼殺他們的發展這個是需要分等級沒有錯啦對 我的版本要分等級好不好那我希望這種民宿的我真的希望他的樓地板不要太高因為我們都還在輔導他他都還不願意咧結果我們還要把罰則提高他就更不願意那另外一種我關心的你們上面是我是他有的人說他是日租套房 |
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其實我們是因應永久屋也就是莫拉克風災之後政府有輔導永久屋可以做接待家庭他自己也住在裡面但是因為觀光客來沒地方住啊所以呢我們會把它叫做接待家庭但是它有點類似現在所稱的日租套房那如果這個地方也去處理它那我看都完蛋了 |
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其實大家來偏鄉來山上觀光沒有地方住啦他們願意去搭配政府的輔導願意成為接待家庭願意成為民宿那個真的都已經謝天謝地了啦更何況真的很難他要碰到好多消防法也不容易他光是他的安全結構他的水保法他的變更地目很難不是不願意真的要碰到的法規太多太難了所以部長請教您的看法 |
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是,他如果是日租套房的部分可能他這個短天期比較難注意但他如果願意做Long Stay的話可以來研商一下看是否協助他我希望這個部分我們還是去細部的討論一下不要傷害到他們的發展好不好好,那謝謝部長、謝謝署長謝謝主席好,謝謝吳委員有關陳委員你要 |
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好,那時間控制一下,好不好?好,請李昆城委員發言,完之後我們再休息。謝謝主席,我們請部長。好,陳部長。 |
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來 部長好那相信大家都很關心早上我看這個包含這一個我們企常委員他有在問就是說現在台灣都已經晉級了然後打就是預定在禮拜四下禮拜四就要到這個東京區段去打球了那這個包含我自己在內我在昨天發現這個5比1可以晉級之後就開始上網去訂機票我也是訂不到啦 |
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這不管不是只有我我相信很多球迷是訂不到那這個聽說這個早上已經有協調我們國航的這一個這個這個飛機航空公司也要來做這一個加班那不曉得現在有沒有比較對就是加班嘛或是說換比較大型的飛機不曉得有沒有現在有沒有最新的訊息 |
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這個部分我還沒有掌握最新訊因為早上到現在都還在備詢這個部分我相信會有好消息啦因為民航局他們今天早上開始就一直在努力這件事昨天晚上就有人在反映他們今天早上就在努力這件事所以最快單案的時候會知道這個消息 |
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呃我們看今天今天我們晚一點看會不會有消息有的話呃我們會希望航空公司多宣導讓民眾知道那也會讓委員這邊也先知道好那現在就是說這個偽造車牌部分齁那這一個交通部有打算這個提高的這一個罰則 |
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那甚至就是說這個車輛可以沒入那我想請問一下因為這是涉及到修法那在修法之前有沒有什麼讓一個這個政策可以先來實施先來做把這個偽造車牌的這個數量再把它降低 |
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報告委員我們目前源頭管理的部分持續在做其實我們從前一陣子就一直在做那另外我們跨部會的稽查跨單位的稽查其實我們也都一直在執行那內政部警政署也相當努力也相當幫忙那抒發部也相當幫忙那財政部也是在源頭管理的部分部長你說相當幫忙可是我看他們查出來的數字好像有點落差就像這個抒發部有在嗎 |
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術發部就是說我在這個教育部跟這個衛福部也是一樣這個我在問這個電子菸非常氾濫你在網路上你打電子菸要買這個到處都買得到那他也是說他們這個術發部就是說這個已經很努力在做了那現在也是一樣啊現在你只要在網路上面打車牌就算我剛剛在在Google的時候打這個車牌這還是都有啊都還是買得到這個偽造的車牌啊 |
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對阿 那速發部速發部要怎麼樣去做就是說像這個衛福部跟這個速發部就合作電子菸的相關的關鍵字那就可以這個做下架那現在這個速發部要怎麼去做處理勒 |
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跟委員報告一下那其實我們也知道這個議題很相當嚴重所以其實我們有跟這個交通部去做合作那他們有提供關鍵的部分我們進行這個所謂的網路的這個巡查在網路平台的部分事實上是沒有那現在比較嚴重的就是在網路平台上面也說沒有 |
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是網路平台加我們熟悉的像一些蝦皮等等沒有但是出問題的是在社群平台確實是還有一些比如說我在Meta上面啊在Google上面啊對啊那這個你們管不到嗎那這部分我們也有積極的跟這個業者進行這個協作請他們積極下架那確實現在我看你們那個下架的個案很少啊 |
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18494.504 |
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18522.905 |
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確實下降速度比較慢所以我們今天跟明天其實我們有找業者跟機關來去這個為什麼是今天跟明天這個不知道你們講了大概兩三個月有了我們其實有但是就是發現到速度不夠好 那你們打算怎麼做呢打算怎麼去要求業者咧我們業者的部分就是要求他們要競速下降那如果真的是涉及廣告部分他是有車牌部分那我們就依打詐專法進行做一個裁處的部分對啊 因為他們現在有設這個法律代理人嘛 對不對所以我們都找到他法律代理人嘛 |
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18546.095 |
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對阿所以基本上就是說你在什麼Google或是說在臉書上面你要打這個關鍵字其實如果有的話你們是可以找他們的阿就是但他們現在有賦予什麼樣的這個法律上面的責任嗎他們的法律代表已經送過來我們進行審查那如果確實這是涉及廣告不實的部分或者是詐騙我們就是依打造車牌去做一個裁處不是阿那他這個是算是涉及到什麼 |
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18547.188 |
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廣告不實因為它是偽造車牌什麼廣告不實如果它今天是有廣告的部分又涉及詐騙我們就依打詐裝版但是如果今天涉及到是違反這個所謂的交通部的部分交通部這個部分它會依法的不行進入一個裁罰的部分對 因為部長因為這個情況非常嚴重我是希望說這個我們交通部跟速發部要來合作要提供一些訊息給速發部因為現在包含這個電子驗也是一樣啊 |
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18589.171 |
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那這個現在就是偽造車牌偽造車牌很多都是在網路上都可以買到的那你剛才講就是說除了在平台上面還有一些LINE的群組上面那你有沒有跟LINE那邊有做聯繫嗎有 其實LINE跟GoogleMeta其實我們都有跟交通部這邊進行一個所謂的聯繫傳播都有 |
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18589.771 |
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18607.251 |
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對啊 我是希望說這個因為如果修法是到明年上半年你才有辦法就是說修法加重加嚴但是現在如果說你在修法之前有沒有這個權宜措施可以把這個偽造車牌這個東西數量再把它下降 |
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18631.532 |
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副部長,您最後再回答一下。是,報告委員您所在意的其實是執行面的部分那執行面的部分我們其實有一些做法但或許不夠精進那您在關心的應該是我們希望要更精進包含跟數位部之間的合作那我們明天會開會討論一下看讓它下架的速度看如何加快好,那你們這個精進的措施跟作為大概多久可以出來可以給本席一個報告兩週兩週的時間跟委員報告好,謝謝,謝謝副部長,謝謝主席 |
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18637.742 |
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18637.945 |
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好,謝謝于委員。 |
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18641.959 |
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18667.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
等下休息之前做一下宣告待會休息20分鐘休息完畢之後我們還有委員要進行詢答今天詢答完畢之後針對於我們道交條例相關的一個修法剛剛跟部長、交通部長有溝通他們的版本會盡快的進來因為畢竟裡面是涉到很多的財產權的問題可能你們要思考一下確實有些不同程度的 |
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18683.128 |
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有些最惡劣的、有些中間的、有些傻傻的是不是都要用一招那我們等你們的版本進來再一併審議那發展觀光條路我們待會在巡查完畢之後我們逐條來審議好,現在休息20分鐘 |
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二、審查 ﹝廢話﹝廢話﹝廢話﹝廢話﹞ |
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二),委員黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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二),委員黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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19574.327 |
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| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
二),委員黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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19587.995 |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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二),委員黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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19661.051 |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17 |
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二),委員黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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19740.094 |
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19752.099 |
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19774.585 |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健 |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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19808.477 |
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19825.244 |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健 |
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或許能夠把這個案例作為有效解封性的方式或大力提供讓市民有所負擔,不限制的方式﹖但是我們都會在以後來進行報告﹖我們希望可以開始報告以進行這個結論﹖要報告有多年﹖我們知道現在很多的網絡、網絡網絡都已經到封信的階段了﹖要不然我們現在還要進行這個結論﹖但是我們將會提供來進行讓市民有所負擔﹖那我看看 |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 |
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19918.414 |
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好,我們繼續開會。好,我們接下來有請鄭正前委員發言。鄭正前委員不在。羅明才委員不在。 |
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19960.506 |
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19972.571 |
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接下來有請蔡易瑜委員。接下來有請林月琴委員發言。 |
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19996.755 |
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20000.077 |
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何秦部長好 陳部長好 部長午安那當然我相信今天很多人是問你的是那個排照的問題不過想問的是因為昨天台北市的公車事故部長應該有掌握狀況吧可是我要提醒部長的是因為國內職業駕駛 |
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20024.468 |
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20044.968 |
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考訓的制度的改革真的不能再等了因為上次質詢的時候我就提醒過我們的公車客運業的問題尤其是公路局8年連續在國外考察6次的公車客運的一些營運管理似乎這樣子的考察並沒有回應到你回來臺灣政策的一些改變 |
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20045.709 |
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20067.601 |
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所以我認為我們的源頭端還是在考訓制度真的要趕快動起來不要再待會兒因為從聚業一直走到現在又再發生這樣的事情那公車客運業的那個事故平常過去我們的統計數據也顯示公車客運涉入的交通事故的人數呢 |
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20068.854 |
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20085.129 |
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不減反增而且人為因素事實上是關鍵可是國內的職業大客車的駕訓本來問題就很多上次就也再度的有講過所以首先我們來看就是問題一就是國內的針對職業駕駛的那個駕訓的教育 |
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20089.753 |
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20092.336 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 |
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20105.569 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].end |
20131.063 |
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有管理上、辦法上要求的這些時數可是實際上業界的慣例這是我從業界他們取得的資料慣例上根本在做的時候跟你想像的就不太一樣甚至有共車的這樣的一個狀態照理講國外是1比1你的法規也是明定要1比1可是真實這樣做嗎也不是這樣做因為事實上有時候事實上是1比2一個老師要帶著兩個那怎麼去做 |
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20131.323 |
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20144.387 |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健 |
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20155.618 |
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20172.28 |
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是,委員是不是我們請局長先跟您回應好不好?是,也跟委員報告就是說整個的因為委員有提到就是說整個包括就是說從訓練到考照到這個駕照未來的管理其實這個部分的話當然部裡面就是說跟局其實我們有相關的方案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[787].end |
20174.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].text |
副副副副副副副 |
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20195.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].end |
20197.092 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].text |
委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪 |
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20220.592 |
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20238.174 |
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再來就是大客車的考照這樣的一個制度上有很明顯的問題也就是包含前面提到的我們的實習教學當中常常是沒有辦法落實我們的道路駕駛的訓練時數而且更何況我們的時數非常的低像這次的那個謝姓女駕駛 |
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20239.235 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].end |
20240.196 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].text |
委員黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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20260.472 |
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20270.18 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 二),委員黃健豪等17人、 二),委員黃健豪等17人、 二),委員黃健豪等17人、 二 »:委員黃健豪等17人、 二),委員黃健豪等17人、 二),委員黃健豪等17人、 二),委員黃健豪等17人、 二),委員黃健豪等17人、 二),委員黃健豪等17人、 二゚委員黃健豪等17人、 二゚委員黃健豪等17人、 二゚委員黃健豪等17人、 二゚委員黃健豪等17人、 二゚委員黃健豪等17人、 二゚委員黃健豪等17人、 二゚委員黃健豪等17人、 二゚委員黃 |
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20289.075 |
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在比較這個制度比較吊詭的地方就是我我取得自用大客車的駕照三個月在等待期的時候也沒有相對應的值錢訓練他就直接可以取得職業大客車的駕照這是讓我們擔憂了所以部長不知道你有沒有了解到國外的職業考照的加訓制度嗎 |
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20332.673 |
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是,報告委員其實這個部分的議題有蠻多的觀點跟看法那目前我們交通部正在整合您剛剛一開始所破題的其實沒有錯就是說整個考照的制度是需要改革那目前公路局這邊也已經召集了各個相關的人包含一些學者也好或者是路權團體等等大家一起來討論就是到底還缺了哪些需要加進去的部分我們趕快把它加進去 |
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20332.833 |
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20356.058 |
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你們都已經有出國去考察下一頁可不可以看一下國外的你看美國他們的是學科加數科總共305小時我們只有81小時這就很大的落差你把不定時車站放在路面上當中去跑的時候有時候傷害的是人命我覺得不應該用人命來買我們政府的法規歐盟也是280小時而且他們有回訊那這個回訊呢35小時5年平均一年7小時 |
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20384.599 |
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我們也有啊可是問題是六小時三年的話一年才兩小時而且坐在那邊聽課跟他的實務經驗到底有沒有被累計我覺得有點擔憂下一件最後就希望江部這邊是不是可以盡速改革我們的大客車的駕照的考訓制度這上次也提過而且最好事實上是學習跟值錢訓練都要並進還要改善題目 |
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20387.661 |
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20389.985 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 |
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20406.248 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、゚ |
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20436.53 |
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20450.937 |
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好 謝謝林委員接下來有請陳冠廷委員陳冠廷陳冠廷委員不在馬文君委員馬文君馬文君委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].start |
20452.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].end |
20473.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].text |
接下來請蔡易瑜委員、蔡易瑜委員不在黃國昌委員、黃國昌、黃國昌委員不在邱志偉委員、邱志偉、邱志偉委員不在接下來請陳佩瑜委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].start |
20478.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].end |
20481.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].text |
好 謝謝主席 那有請部長好 陳部長好 謝謝部長 謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].start |
20488.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].end |
20508.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].text |
好部長午安辛苦了今天早上一路下來有非常多委員已經跟您請教過關於這個棒球的事情那我就是再跟您確定一個細節我知道你們有討論到今天晚上會公布有沒有包機有沒有相關的方案那我們來往下直接看好了來再下一張好再下一張這個PTT上昨天晚上 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].start |
20508.979 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].end |
20524.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].text |
凌晨1點半就有熱心的網友在問我們把球團28人名單加上教練團如果都要讓他們做商務艙要38人可是這還不含可能還有後勤支援不管是心理師、營養師、體能教練等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].start |
20527.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].end |
20547.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].text |
熱心的網友還幫忙盤點這個飛機的型號說如果是什麼呢只能做多少個位置長榮只能包B77W啊點點點點點這樣但我想要問一下當然在台灣現行的法規範當中只有澳亞運可以做商務艙對吧 這個部長你應該知道但是這一次我覺得這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].start |
20548.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].end |
20565.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
榮耀在這群球員身上這麼多大家的關心那我知道他們明天已經要出發了飛機應該算是已經訂好了但是有沒有可能透過部長這邊的協助讓他們有更餘裕更寬敞的空間搭飛機到日本去然後目前你所掌握到他們這個訂的飛機的進度是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].start |
20567.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
20585.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].text |
報告委員這個是國家的喜事所以很多的民眾都相當的關注我們一方面在解決民眾現在要去東京訂不到機位的問題對這個謝謝部長我也很想去國際航空大家已經有在努力我聽說長榮航空也有提出這個包機的申請正在跟日本提出申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].start |
20586.596 |
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20604.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].text |
那另外針對我們的這個求援的部分我相信華航一定會提供很充足的協助這個部分雖然是教育部他們會主要去協調這件事情但是我們交通部也會去協調華航盡量提供充足的協助可以給我們的求援讓他們可以更餘裕的方式可以去日本 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].start |
20605.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].end |
20628.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].text |
好,那我想還是要請部長持續跟教育部跟華航這邊確定我們的團員來回的這個飛機的部分要讓他們更有餘裕然後這是全台灣人的期待好,那最後一個我想我時間有限我想要跟部長談一個部長您上任剛不久你一定不知道其實我們台灣經濟部財政部相關的國營事業都有相關的運動團隊的支持很可惜在我們教導 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].start |
20629.255 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].end |
20654.542 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].text |
交通部底下有郵政、有台鐵、有港務、有淘機但長年以來我們都沒有自主運動團隊這件事情部長你過去來自台中你自己覺得有沒有機會在您任內我們去促成郵政、台鐵、港務、淘機的自主運動團隊讓國公營事業的系統在這件事情上一樣支持國內體育發展支持國內的選手支持更多全民運動的可能性 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].start |
20655.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].end |
20680.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].text |
好,報告委員這個全民運動是相當重要的課題啦齁那我也是第一次聽到委員有在質詢這樣子的話題那我回去也瞭解一下郵政公司跟台鐵還有港務還有淘機為什麼他們過去都沒有針對這個相關的運動來做補助或者是自己來組球隊啦齁這個部分我先去瞭解那當然如果可以支持運動這絕對是好事我也會來跟他們溝通看有沒有機會可以來支持我們相關的運動還有我們的運動員 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].start |
20682.651 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].end |
20704.659 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].text |
那我確實我們在交通化委員會我們常年關注很多運動的題目可是當我們把運動的題目跟隨著運動部要升格體育署要升格成運動部之後我們更全面去檢視相關的問題所以我們發現交通部有這個可能性所以我當成今天就來這裡跟部長許願許這個願那部長剛已經正面的承諾說會回去跟相關機關討論那是不是有機會在一個月裡面給我們你們開完會議之後的一些討論那當然很難 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].start |
20711.462 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].end |
20711.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].text |
好,謝謝陳委員。 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].start |
20742.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].end |
20749.156 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].text |
好接下來有請葉元之委員葉元之葉元之委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].start |
20751.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].end |
20776.644 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].text |
好,今天我們登記質詢的委員均已發言完畢,做以下決議。第一,報告及詢答完畢。第二,委員鄭正權、陳冠廷所提書面質詢列入紀錄片並刊登公報。第三,委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆的部分,請相關的機關盡速以書面資料答覆。第四, |
| transcript.whisperx[814].start |
20778.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].end |
20791.544 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
討論事項第一案也就是各委員所提道交條例修正的一個版本等待我們行政院的交通部的版本進來之後另擇期繼續審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].start |
20794.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].end |
20817.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
好接下來因為我們要審查發展觀光條例齁我們現在休息五分鐘齁來佈置一下場地讓這個桌面上不該有的文件要換成我們相關的一些法條齁那也請現場今天所有列席的官員齁跟本條例無關的人員可以先席離席謝謝好現在休息十分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].start |
20830.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].end |
20834.873 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].start |
21368.442 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
21368.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
好 我們繼續開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].start |
21370.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
21382.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
接下來我們接續審查發展觀光條例的逐條討論現在進行協商依各提案條次順序進行討論並同時請議事人員宣讀條文如有相關的修正動議附帶決議一併宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].start |
21394.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
21409.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
好,接著我們進行《發展觀光條例》的協商交通部有提供建議修正的條文內容說明大家都拿到了嘛那個白色的這一本還有有一個交通部 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].start |
21411.003 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].end |
21425.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
針對我們各委員提供的條次他有做一個說明好我們就開始協商首先針對第二條來第二條部分是不是先請交通部來說明報告稿委各位委員就是建議維持現行條文就不修訂就不涉及到那個相關的增訂所以特別報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].start |
21441.023 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].end |
21455.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
針對特徵基礎事務的消息有信而見來我們第二條有提的委員、副委員跟陳雪生委員第二條的條文那個提案人雪生委員有貿易建議是第70條是2嘛那這個就不算是2那後面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].start |
21464.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].end |
21469.928 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].text |
將在114年1月20日起外國特定對象住所,像國際醫療館、教護櫃館、勞工、醫療中心等職業單位。那麼為什麼呢?因為這裡面關係到家庭生計等等, |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
21480.372 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
21506.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
雖然9年過去了但是呢但是這個大家都努力了齁時間還稍微不夠啦齁是不是可以展言展言5年啦本來10年嘛希望展言5年謝謝不管有沒有展言其實都不需要再另外定名詞啦跟學生文章好我們來聚焦一下齁第二條我們兩個版本修正的條文應該是增略第10項 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].start |
21507.893 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].end |
21526.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].text |
特殊對象住宿對不對他第二條條文是這樣我說他們提案提案的部分有4位委員提案那第二條的一個部分是最主要是第這是要第10項嗎裡面增加特定對象住宿多一個類別那這個的部分請大家來參閱我們提案的那個表 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].start |
21536.69 |
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21545.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].text |
阿針對於這個部份我們交通部我們觀光署是說建議不要加是不是對因為現行的條文都已經名詞解釋都已經很清楚不用再為這一類來增加一個解釋了好那各位有什麼其他的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].start |
21555.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].end |
21567.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
我們三大行業裡面旅行業、旅館業、遊樂區業裡面旅館業的觀光旅館、一般旅館跟民宿都有定義慶祝所以今夜就不用再等你了好 那如果這一條是最主要是增訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].start |
21577.228 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
21589.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
特殊﹑特定的對象住宿﹑這是第二條那這個部分只是為了70條所以後面70條但是不管他延或不延期都不需要增添那這樣好吧如果我們第二條維持現行條文各位有沒有其他的意見不同的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
21607.937 |
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21630.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].text |
第二條就是說不需要在定義的時候再增加一個特殊的這個好不好因為可能現在問題點不是這樣好不好如果有時間他後面法條可以再怎麼樣修再來進修因為如果後面的話可以給那個展演的一個實踐的話那第二條就相對就比較沒有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].start |
21632.399 |
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21646.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].text |
委員吳令華等20人提案第55條,這審訟要盡量考慮,也針對自主、無令、管理、安排、保留。委員吳令華等20人提案第55條,這審訟要盡量考慮,也針對自主、無令、管理、安排、保留。委員吳令華等20人提案第55條,這審訟要盡量考慮,也針對自主、無令、管理、安排、保留。委員吳令華等20人提案第55條,這審訟要盡量考慮,也針對自主、無令、管理、安排、保留。委員吳令華等20人提案第55條,這審訟要盡量考慮,也針對自主、無 |
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| transcript.whisperx[830].text |
的非正規旅行者：好,接下來第四條針對第四條的部分就依委員徐宇貞等20人提案修正那就把觀光局修正為觀光署好,第四條應該比較沒有爭議就是現在已經變署了就是把局這個字改成署 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].start |
21676.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].end |
21679.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].text |
好,各位有沒有其他意見?好,那我們就趙徐宇貞委員修正通過接下來第36條第36條提案人林 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].start |
21694.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].end |
21716.733 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].text |
您見其委員。來,36條,我們光順道一訣,隨遇海岸,建議維持原條文。還是禁止。那現在委員提的條文的差異在哪裡,能不能簡單說明一下。禁止跟停止。剛剛也特別跟委員報告了,現在我們國家的法律因為隨遇的那個變化很大。 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].start |
21717.193 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].end |
21730.025 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].text |
我們的海象記憶不是很好所以還是用禁止因為一般各國也是用禁止沒有說用警告就在發生所以還是用一次禁止對,禁止才能發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].start |
21735.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].end |
21762.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].text |
好 因為提案的委員不在現場這個部分原則上是把禁止水域有要修成警示水域警示跟限制在法定上用意應該差很多吧對 差很多所以還是要禁止才能夠進行這個法源的處理所以這個還是要禁止拜託各位委員維持現行條文所以現行的條文是比較嚴格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].start |
21764.207 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].end |
21764.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].text |
何俊仲委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[836].end |
21786.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].text |
謝謝我過去曾經數次都在關心有關這個水域的一個這個安全的問題因為這個在我們很多的這個旅遊觀光的景點也好或者是新興的觀光產業也好這個其實是現在很多不管是旅客、國內外的觀光客甚至自己國人的這個在旅遊觀光的這個一些套裝行程的一些安全的問題那安全我覺得是最重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].start |
21806.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].end |
21812.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].text |
委員黃健豪等17人、 何俊仁、何俊仁、何俊仁、何俊仁、何俊仁、何俊仁、何俊仁、何俊仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].start |
21827.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].end |
21829.276 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].text |
委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].start |
21844.221 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].end |
21861.893 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].text |
那未來的這個處罰的那個不同程度的處罰第一個也很難界定有所依據第二個未來一定會有爭議一定會有爭議那我覺得最重要的是我們不希望說以現在比較嚴格的法律罰休的反而比較寬鬆的話那未來發生了問題跟危險 |
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| transcript.whisperx[840].end |
21874.554 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].text |
人生安全、生命安全誰來負責任我覺得這個牽涉很廣我還是建議維持現行的一個條文好不好謝謝 |
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21875.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].end |
21898.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].text |
好 謝謝何俊臻委員接下來許智傑委員謝謝我贊成那個觀光署跟何先生其實海域那麼大其實大概開放的幾個地方就是開放然後那個地方才會有維護安全的人員其他的就是你沒有辦法到處都用警示那個很危險所以還是禁止比較好適當可以開放的地方再開放再派駐那個安全人員謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[842].end |
21923.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].text |
好 因為這一條各位委員還有什麼意見李崑哲委員這個水域禁止區域現在想要修法調整為水域的警示區域但是我還是認為海流危險區域的禁止遊客從事遊棄活動仍然還是有其必要性以上 |
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| transcript.whisperx[843].end |
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好陳雪生委員現在用鏡子都有很多人跳水自己不想活了那也沒辦法你用警示那個有什麼意義我支持觀光署 |
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好 那這一條如果沒有其他意見我覺得大家的共識因為台灣四周都是水域啦那這個部分要如果放鬆或者開放的話其實是不確定性很高那這個部分我們是不是就維持現行條文 |
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好不好觀光署的條文有沒有其他意見沒有反對意見好那這一條我們就維持現行的條文謝謝委員接下來53條有關53條的部分我們就尊重這個委員王美惠等16人提案修正那麼主要是條文的上限我們做一些調整 |
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本來上限是罰則是15萬以下的現在改成30萬本來是50萬以下的改成150萬那當然配合上限跟下限的調整還有廢止的部分呢有關於就是 |
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已經停止營業了或者是一部或全部的處分他仍然是繼續營業的話我們就罰原以前只有50萬以上但是沒有一個上限所以我們上上限修正為200萬元以下我們就按照委員的意思做一些調整好就是你這邊有一個你們自己的對照表嘛五三條 |
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那你現在是因為他們兩位委員提的版本文字還是有些不同你有去是都有對照都基本上都是一字所以就變成你這個這個的版本是不是那因為現在兩位委員提的版本基本上觀光署是朝向同意的立場但是把兩位會診在這張白色的第53條是這個觀光署的一個版本請大家參閱一下 |
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就是罰則有提高的對不對是罰則double對提高原則上是double對好那第53條看我們所有的委員有沒有意見最主要是針對於這些旅館的行業如果有這個侮辱到國家的榮譽損害國家的利益 |
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或者防害這個良善的風俗或者欺騙旅客的行為做這樣的一個處罰比原法規大概提高了一倍好 那剛剛我們觀光署說明各位委員有沒有什麼補充的那如果黃健豪委員 |
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謝謝昭偉。我想要請觀光署說明一下過去的案例裡面當然這個欺騙旅客、違反防礙三難逢火這個常見那過去案例裡面什麼是墊入國家榮譽、損害國家利益在旅宿業他們要哪些行為樣態屬於這個部分可不可以請觀光署說明一下 |
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會被裁罰的標準我們目前裁罰引用這個並沒有但是就是說這個部分是整個在通案裡面事實上是一部分也就是觀光旅館或者是一般旅館或旅行業、遊樂區業這個部分呢他們大概需要有遵守四件事情第一個要以國家榮譽為至上第二個希望以國家利益為利益 |
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第三、希望能夠維護善良風俗第四、不可以有詐騙旅客行為原則上是在這四個規範之下那引述的部分當然就是按照實際的這個材料比如說國際公安旅館是我們公安署那種公安署認定那其他的話就是由22個縣市政府來做認定以上簡單的補充報告 |
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好 陳雪真委員電疫國家榮譽 這太籠統了吧我舉個例子 譬如說總派國家利益前幾天那個老闆在天安門講中華民國萬歲關三天是不是那如果這個講說中華人民共和國萬歲這個就要罰兩百萬耶是不是 這個有道理嗎 |
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我覺得這些字眼,這個法源已經夠重了。已經夠重了,有一些這些字眼不要了。既然在台灣這個言論大家都很自由了,是不是?你在這裡面你要套上這個帽子,那你怎麼套我是不知道。什麼叫國家利益?國家利益,國家利益,像我講祖國的話那就是國家利益了,問題就來了,是不是? |
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這隨便個帽子我覺得這個政治上的一些語言不要盡量不要在這文字上出現好不好謝謝 |
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跟學生們報告一下他這是一個概念性的譬如說我們有很多旅行團如果在外面丟包不負責任或是在外面呢就是把台灣踐踏在腳底下我覺得都是不當的行為但是我們也目前為止是建議啦這個法令是這樣這幾個字我不同意 |
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這損害國家利益這帽子戴得太大了而且太嚴謹了你把鄰居車要逼到什麼程度啊是不是起碼給人家一點空間嘛台灣不是很自由嗎是不是搞得不要跟大陸一樣啊我們講大陸很專制台灣也滿專制的樣子看起來啊是不是越來越專制了 |
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對 這個條文就是從開始立法的時候就有這幾個字眼我不同意好 那個因為兩位委員提的版本沒有修到這個如果說有委員要提修正動議或未來在協商的時候你版本來得及進來針對於剛剛的字眼可以來修因為畢竟我們只能 |
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在修這個兩位委員的一個提案最主要是前罰款的方向但是剛剛陳學仁委員講的我覺得也蠻好應該要明確一下啦不然要你們自己的細則或者說處理的一些規則主要是處理哪幾項你還是要稍微具體一點 |
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不然的話大家也不知道怎麼回事但是今天修法的部分如果有人提修正或者未來再提另外的動議的時候我們再進行這方面的討論來黃健豪委員我剛剛六點時間查了一下過往案例雖然觀光署剛剛說沒有但是2006年的時候有一個新聞講說有一團大陸客他們來台灣的時候他們的名義是購物團 |
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後來團員不想去逛珠寶店想要自由行所以就跟這個當初報名的時候形然不符所以後來團員就後來還積欠旅費那所以旅行社就把這個大陸團這一批人呢帶到警察局去處理然後把人丟報到警察局後來當時的觀光局認為這個行為已經導致了墊入國家榮譽損害國家利益並裁罰旅行社15萬元這就是我查到案例那所以我是要問說 |
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把觀光客電報到警察局然後結果觀光局罰我們的旅行團15萬元這件事情的原因是因為電入國家榮譽、損害國家利益我是說這個裁量是不是有點泛濫就是說這個標準是什麼 |
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所以才問說到底這個法律過了之後過去有這樣的案例那以後呢如果今天因為所以我想這個當初這個委員特別訂了要經法院判決因為我想墊入國家的榮譽損害國家利益是一個很大的一件事情那如果把人丟包到丟包到就把觀光客丟去警察局讓警察局去處理然後結果觀光局去裁罰旅行團說你這個行為是墊入國家榮譽損害國家利益這件事情就是很奇怪很像民事糾紛變成上香到 |
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國家層次的所以這部分我還是希望說觀光署能夠考量一下到底訂這個修這個法案先要把這個金額又加高了之後會不會有更多爭議出現以上好謝謝黃健豪委員來部長你再說明一下吧這如果是原本之前就有的條文吼今天今天的討論 |
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今天的討論如果是針對金額的話是不是大家針對這個金額的部分下去做討論那原本有的這個條文的內容如果大家想要再做修正那就另外再來討論好不好 |
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林國臣委員我贊成陳雪生委員他的看法損害國家利益其實這些逛逛旅遊業其實沒有什麼國家利益不國家利益這個部分我贊成部長剛才所講的因為我們有委員提出來是金額的部分來修正 |
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但是如果是發現到陳雪生委員這個部分我還是建議今天就把它列入紀錄就是損害國家利益請主管機關要講清楚然後這些東西要刪除的話提另外一個案子去把它修掉這也是可以 |
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那所以應該是今天我們委員提案就是金額的部分是否得當是否可行那我們針對這個那今天等一下可能寫生委員可以提出口頭的這些動議然後順便在政黨協商或什麼的時候再來修這樣可能比較符合邏輯這是我的建議 |
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好 謝謝這個部分我想這樣在條文的罰則的部分委員感覺比較沒有爭議但是在有一些處罰的行為到底如何定義的部分 |
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其實可能一下也很難定義的到百分之百清楚那是不是這一條呢本身在修法的這個兩位委員主要提的項目他基本上沒有什麼爭議我們是不是這個部分讓這個條53條連同 |
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我們觀光署提的一個版本我們保留送院會協商請協商這個時候之前再請相關的委員如果有另外53條的一個版本修正版本可以來做一併的一個處理就是保留送院會協商第53條好保留保留好 |
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那我們這條就保留送卷會協商如果各位委員還有什麼其他的意見建議還是用提案的方式來做處理保留啦因為你講不清楚啊因為哪個定義是什麼你實在這個狀況五花八門你也講不清楚 |
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因為本來觀光局的條文沒有提到那個經法院判決的部分所以我就沒有發言 |
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那因為現在要保留所以我想說我還是表達一下司法院的意見就是徐宇貞委員有提到經法院判決確定這個部分因為墊入國家榮譽和損害國家利益這個要件我們沒辦法對應到特定的特定的規定的條文所以如果只規定經法院判決確定的話我們可能沒辦法確定說這個是指說是刑事判決確定還是也包含刑事包含民事或行政的判決確定所以如果如果要增訂這樣子相關的規定的話可能要 |
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看是不是在立法理由中說明一下舉個例子說到底這邊指的經法院判決確定到底是什麼樣的情形以上跟各位有報告 謝謝好 謝謝司法院的說明 |
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來 蔡委員協商的時候司法院在講因為就送協商了嘛好所以要麻煩你再來一次啦不好意思好 第53條我們就保留送院會協商協商的部分也請我們司法院來派代表列席來說明那委員對於其他的內容53條的部分有意見也建議透過我們提案修法的程序一併在二讀的時候來討論 |
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好那接下來第54條 |
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吳四條觀光局有沒有什麼意見針對吳四條我們就競表同意就是他是把15萬的上限修正為30萬以下吳四條是罰什麼是針對於我們觀光旅館或一般旅館還有旅行業是涉及到有關於第37條檢查不通過的時候我們限期改善限期不改善的時候我們再做處罰 |
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五十五條 |
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針對第55條是關於一些罰則剛剛那個吳立華委員有特別提到他認為是說新的法律修正的時候把民宿的部分也併進來而且他的罰則太高 |
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也就是對觀光旅館、一般旅館最上限是200萬那對民宿的話他認為應該要減半所以就是民宿的部分就簡略修正為100萬 |
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那這個條文的部分就按照王美惠委員這個為基礎那我們把原來的原條文原條文裡面有未依本條例這個未依本條例這個領取登記證而經營這個民宿者 |
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處新台幣10萬元以上、100萬元以下法源並勒令歇業把這段放進這個第三項就是網美會委員的第三項做補充以上 以上說明好 各位委員對這條有沒有什麼意見那你文字的部分要調整好好不好 調整好 |
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那就是按照王美惠委員他提的版本然後修正就等於民宿一些比較小型的業者的部分10萬到200萬之間是不是改成10萬到100萬10萬到100萬之間嘛是就是他的罰則比較稍微稍微緩和一點是 |
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好 那各位委員針對於第55條的修正內容按照網美會的版本然後修正民宿等業者的罰則降低這部分各位有沒有其他意見如果也沒有反對的意見那我們就按照網美會委員的版本修正後通過 |
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好接下來55之一條針對55之一條是我們是建議按照網美會等16位委員的提案修正那修正的條文如次就是為依本條例規定領取觀光旅館業、旅行業 |
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觀光、遊樂業營業執照或旅館業民宿登記證以廣告物、出版品、廣播、電視、電子訊號、電腦、網路或其它媒體等散布 |
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鄧浩波頌或刊登營業之訊息者處新台幣10萬元以上、150萬元以下華元並令限其移除、藉其不履行者得按次處罰。 |
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好那這個版本呢也是調整那個法則修正過對修正這只要是散佈假消息還是虛偽的消息是不是這個意思對都有違法好陳雪真委員是不是請公關署說明一下得按次處罰什麼意思按次是每天一次還是每天五次還是一個月一次按次什麼意思請說明一下 |
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就是已經處罰的時候就是他還在違規就可以再處罰一次對對如果是抓到以後他沒有改善再繼續罰 |
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侵犯案次什麼案次?案次嗎?沒有,譬如說他罰是10萬元嘛你今天罰他10萬塊嘛對那明天還沒有改善都沒有改善明天沒有改善再罰譬如說一定是合理的期限譬如說你會給他期限嘛對 |
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那你要給他期限有有有有你要寫一一有有限期限期對你要你要想說在期限之內沒有沒有沒有那個的話就借其不履行者的意思你這裡可能要加一兩個字吧不然裡面有點語病喔 |
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對,好,原來就不履行,那借其不履行,好那因為現在觀光業很慘,我們這個自己這個會不會大家都有份,我不清楚不過因為現在一扯到網路跟訊息有時候我可能做了一次錯誤的訊息傳遞我被罰了一次,其實網路訊息很難回收 |
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林國臣委員 |
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那個署長這裡可能啊因為這種東西現在這個電子時代特別啊尤其是這個網路等等還有旅館業等等觀光旅館業這個還比較OK但是有些旅館業他是用第四台那如果第四台撥撞的東西他也要被劃 |
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所以這個應該要較為明確化啦那金額我沒有意見但是這個部分是不是也請署長要把它講清楚不要說這個法條過了以後那隨時第四台所刊登的不雅或等等這些東西他們還是要去授法這個對各旅館業或其他行業是不公平的所以這個是不是也請說明一下 |
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應該是一體兩面啦我們通常都是以保障合法業者為優先嘛對那如果是非法業者那過去他就是他都是第四台那如果第四台所播放的 |
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的問題,那還是要旅館業來承擔嗎?這個是不是要把它講清楚?那是Cable的部分,因為這邊看起來應該是沒有這個意思嘛他是播送或刊登營業資訊這條其實很簡單啦,意思就是說 |
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如果你有那種詐騙根本不是經營旅館或者你的旅館根本就是一個違章或者甚至是什麼詐騙你跑去登廣告我抓到之後就叫你現起譬如說一天內把他移除你不移除還繼續登我就連續處罰 |
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阿如果,所以他這意思是什麼?Cable你要登人家旅館的廣告你就要叫他把旅館的執照拿給他看他才可以來,他才可以登嘛阿你當然你不,你不拿執照來看然後讓他登,那當然你這個Cable就會有問題嘛好,來,郭先生你聽得懂嗎?這條是在規範這樣而已阿規範這樣大家認定說以前喔發生了事啦現在大家對詐騙深惡痛絕 |
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王美惠委員等16人提案修正的版本再加上 |
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主席他這個應該他寫這樣我們就會誤解連我們看完以後我就會誤解你要很明確這是假訊息你要很明確所以我是覺得這裡面內容像副院長解釋了以後我就聽得很清楚可是文字裡面就有一點不太清楚所以這個還是要建議是不是有所考慮 |
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好他這個55之一條其實前面也是有寫清楚啦未依本條例規定取得觀光旅館旅行業觀光遊樂業的營業執照就是他沒有取得這個營業執照就是違規營業然後或旅館業民宿業登記證也就是說他根本不是他沒有辦營業的這些這些的店家或者商家因為他根本沒有這個執照 |
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那所以我是覺得應該可以啦各位還沒有反對意見我是可以就好那就我們就剛剛參照黃美惠委員的一個版本加上我們這個觀光署的一個意見修正後通過感謝感謝 |
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五十五之三條請觀光署五十五之三條也取得五委員的同意就不予增訂 |
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確定喔對對確定日租套房的部分另外訂他已經同意了就不訂訂日租套房的管理要點因為55之3條是新增的一個條文那就確實去溝通協調那如果五位委員等20人的提案也同意不予增訂那這個部分我們就是不予增訂這樣通過各位有沒有其他意見 |
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好 沒有 我們接下來下一條第57條針對第57條我們就建議依委員王美惠等16人的提案來修正 |
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主要是針對於這個履約保險跟責任保險的部分他是處新台幣3萬元以上50萬元以下的花園那麼也是做一些修正那其他的都其他的條文都沒有變好那對第57條的修正條文各位委員有沒有其他的意見因為過去那個很多大家交了錢就他連保險都沒保那這個是不行啦這個 |
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好,那我們第57條如果各個委員沒有其他意見我們就依照黃美惠委員點等16人提案 |
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有修正嗎?修正後通過接下來第60條針對60條部分還是請各位委員能夠支持也就是不予修正也就是它相關的法則是有三個部分第一個部分是對於民眾第二個部分是對於業者第三個部分是對於保險所以這三方我們是建議都不修正 |
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原本的修正是朝向減少罰款是不是本來是希望一萬塊減少到九千塊後來委員也認為說這個修改的比較幅度很小所以我們建議是維持不變 |
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好 那各位可以看一下第60條的條文是水域跟剛剛有講警禁止或者警示的這個部分有連帶這個部分應該也是應該是林委員提案嘛林委員提案那就可能比較減輕相關在水域各個個體的相關的罰則 |
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七十之二條 |
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也針對70支二條總共有4個案包括徐宇甄徐委員還有傅根吉副委員陳雪生陳委員還有游浩游委員都提到那我們是建議啦綜合考量剛剛在答詢中有特別做一些說明也就70條這案呢本條例 |
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中華民國104年1月22日修正實行前非以營利為目的的而且供特定對象住宿之場所而有營利之事實者應於一百 |
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一十年12月31日前向地方主管機關申請旅館業登記領取登記證及專用標示使得繼續營業也就將現行的法律所說的10年仍然是以10年的精神來做修正那於114年年底以上請求 |
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好 我們請提案人這邊有兩位陳傑森委員跟永浩委員要不要宣布一下這個我剛才已經講過了嘛你九年了嘛齁 |
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你9年多的經驗到現在沒有顯現任何的成效啊你主管部門不應該勒令轉型啊阻斷特定對象住所住宿場所的生存剝奪這裡面有很多家庭的生存權工作權、產產權造成社會重大的成本成本負擔所以我建議修正為15年就增加5年的意思以上 |
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好 油化委員那同樣的當初在疫情的期間那時候有提到在討論的時候這個其實往後給他們更充裕的時間因為他們也在持續地遞出申請也確實在想要讓他這個能夠順利地領取這個登記證他還能夠福道轉型那他確實是需要時間嘛那所以說也是一樣跟全學生委員一樣我們就是希望是到15年 謝謝 |
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李崑哲委員接下來林國成委員謝謝昭偉不管是第二條或是70條之二這個部分當然是包含訂定特定旅宿業或是延長非以營利為目的且供特定對象住宿之場所而有營利之事實者取得旅館業執照的實現 |
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那這個案子其實當初是有它的背景存在我記得當時是葉怡君委員提案的那也在我們交通委員會進行討論那其實當時最大的因素是什麼呢就是在於非以營利為目的且供特定對象住宿之場所而有營利之事實的場所這個是有不公平競爭的問題 |
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而且住宿對象實際上是非特定對象那在實務上其實是對合法的旅宿業是非常不公平的所以當然也是希望這些場所能夠積極的轉正所以才有10年的這個實現來去取得旅館業的登記 |
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那現在其實調資後我們部分先進同仁有說要修正就是再5年讓業者轉正那其實我們來看在目前我們對於現在已經有停業而且轉做其他的使用總共有4個地方那完成旅館登記業登記的有9個地方 |
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難若依規費法收取規費有16處及香客大樓水洗布施有3處還有12處在落日期限內已經取得旅館業登記證對這些依法辦事的這些單位如果修正是否公平大家必須要來討論一下 |
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那我想請教的是這段 |
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我們來看狀況如果說你要確定再給予延長那假如是要給目前還有列管的21家你要給他他有意轉正但是無法在落日的期內完成的業者是否要給他們一些時間延長5年那這21家能夠順利轉正嗎這個等一下署長來說明一下那 |
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五年如果再不夠是不是還有再下個五年這個關我主要的說明那我比較想請教這21家在目前這10年內他有任何轉正的動作嗎他有任何轉正的動作嗎如果延程三年五年有多少家可以轉正還是說這21家 |
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到底有沒有轉正的可能性以上請簡單說明請林國正委員發言完我們一併回答 |
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我想這個問題當然因為過去也有討論過但是我在想這些正牌的旅館業跟非正牌的這些休閒的這個地方第一 客人那種消費群完全是不一樣 |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健 |
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一部分的緩衝期那確確實實也有一部分的人把它合法化所以我們陳雪生委員還有幾個委員提出這個可以延長基本上我認為建議部長跟署長這裡應該要吵了這些那如何來擬 |
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如何來擬要考慮到確確實實這幾年當中他想要做但是你時間太緊湊那其實我比較傾向再給一點時間讓他們那第二個我還是建議 |
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如果你不轉正我有特別管理辦法來協助他如果我們這個辦法就不需要在法令上那你就可以特別像針對這些二十幾家這些來做管理辦法也起立 |
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就像台北市的違章建築在83年以前它所成立的那我就用特別暫緩執行的這些東西這個這樣來解套可能就會比較辦法但是也不是說叫你們都不管理你們另外有一個特別管理的辦法是你們來制定 |
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我比較主張因為有歷史淹源你現在說斬就斬這樣也不夠情理那如同有很多政府單位啊像這個幾個單位也是這種情形那如果你訂定特別管理辦法你們可以管理然後公安的問題來做管理這樣的話是可以解決這個問題那你們就盡量有辦法去有特別辦法去管理的時候 |
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那自然而然輔導他們輔導他們就會比較比較有一個成效啦那當然也不是說你們我說實在的有些在辦法訂定的時候你們就依法有機去做這樣的話可能啊這個問題才會解決所以我還是贊成讓他們延長這些時間啊讓他們去做一些你們合法的這種管理的的這種制度好不好 |
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好 那請那個署裡面先回答一下待會陳學生委員我先講一下好不好好 陳委員那個各位同仁齁光疫情去了3、4年啦當然剛才執政長委員所講的齁那有一些要轉型的他已經合法化了齁當然對他們是不公平的啦齁那問題有的範圍是小的有的範圍是大的齁 |
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那疫情就去了三四年大家說真的疫情期間大家共體時間啊杜曉月非常辛苦的都度過了啦吼那今天如果你用快刀斬亂麻的方式就給我殺死刑都可以現在都可以死緩了現在是不是甚至都要出獄了這個案子有那麼嚴重嗎我是建議就是說我們交通部公安署啊 |
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你應該確切的去輔導他讓他知道你這是不合法的你去輔導他當然我們現在是給他五年的時間剛才也有委員提出來說那我給你五年以後你這五年完了以後你是不是就我們就把你淘汰掉了是不是或是定落日條款等等 |
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那我是覺得如果把他訂6月條款又太殘忍了一點齁我建議就是說公安署啊能夠拿出一點辦法來跟他們業者去聊一聊他們的困難在哪裡為什麼有一些人可以合法化了那你們有一些人呢還是無法進行那當然死骨不化了我們就沒辦法了齁我建議建議交通部啊能夠用比較緩和的手段來處理這個事情當然我知道 |
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有一些公關旅館在抗議我也都了解問題希望大家共體時間因為每一個太陽都不太一樣好不好以上謝謝 |
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好 來 我們署長來說明一下跟委員報告一下過去這10年期間確實不管是公安署或是公安局時代我們都跟22個縣市政府其實還算是蠻積極在做輔導的工作 |
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那也確實有很多業者他就遵守法令規定我把它叫做也許是叫做模範生吧他們就早早就轉型了那或者是要退場他離開這個市場那現在確實有表達意願我們一定有做輔導的工作才能夠掌握還有意願說可能他時間需要一點時間而這一個需要一點時間的大概是21家 |
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這21家裡面其實太陽裡面最多的就是教師會館國際英雄館跟救護團的青年活動中心那國際英雄館呢其實他們動作也都能夠配合也就是說希望能夠在這個法令規定之內能夠完成如果不能完成他就是退場對那我們看的這21家裡面有一半你再輔導也沒用因為他用地啊就不是旅館 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副 |
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那當然他這個區域不同他的難度也會不大一樣那我們是希望是說剛剛在答詢的過程中部長也特別說好那我們在1月就是是不是就到12月維持原來的10年的基本原則所以我們覺得給大家給業者一年的時間我覺得應該是應該是算是合理的時間那其實主要是 |
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用地的問題無解那個無解的問題你再給他5年可能還是一樣我想說以上還是做簡單那至於我還是有一個原理原則請各位委員能夠支持我們如果對例外管理還要再另外定一個辦法其實對在法令執行上來講並不是一個常態所以我們還是希望能夠回歸到這個發展觀光條例的基本精神去做管理的工作還是請各位委員能夠支持 |
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我這邊也表達一下我個人的意見因為剛剛署長也特別說了大概有一半這個可能也沒辦法可是我們好關心另外一半施加就是他如果還要再拚他明明就有機會因為你們也看到了吧其實教師會館最多那當然相課大樓當然像青年活動中心勞工育樂中心其實都有啦那這個部分 |
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他們說明年1月21號有12家有現金可以在這邊完成但是我們接觸到的他們也是在那個前後搞不好差一天就沒有了所以我們一說能夠來幫忙他第二個是說有意願要經營的另外21家你說有一半那我比較擔心有一半他也有意願嘛 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 |
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黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人 |
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教師會館甚至救國團有12家還有勞工娛樂中心他們其實都是手上一大堆的孩子然後一個一個處理當然因為疫情的關係我們也想說因為疫情真的是很多的工程很多的軟體都讓他們去研我也覺得他們有提這個的部分再讓他們有一點時間這是我個人的想法所以我是覺得希望能不能給他們多一點時間林備長委員 |
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二、部長、署長、各位同仁如果說我們今天在修這個法的時候中間是沒有疫情的干擾那今天這個法修下來或許大家就比較沒有什麼爭議但是尷尬的是說這個疫情是不只是百年難得一見是幾百年難得一見的epidemic |
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全球都被波及到所以今天我們為什麼要修這個法也是因為例外不是因為說這個而且是既存在其事實疫情的影響導致說現在全球的通貨膨脹還有導致全球的原物料導致很多很多的不方便那這些這些這些我們現在看到這21家也好還是這些這些公司這些想要改想要變想要改改型的這些 |
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長所也好,如果他們不想改,那自然他們就自然就是違法但是我們不是預設立場而是幫在這些願意轉型的這些場所上面給他們多一點時間因為疫情的原因所以他們沒有辦法實質的去獲得轉型所需要的時間跟手續所以在這邊我正同我們剛我們剛召委跟油化委員講的 |
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主要是因為疫情這3年甚至影響甚至在3年以上所以我覺得應該要延長5年以上 |
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好 謝謝召委我在想請這個部長跟署長再清楚說明一下因為事實上這10年前應該是葉宜金委員跟我那時候也在現場其實那時候我知道這個整個緣由所以有一個10年的一個過渡期願意讓這些單位可以趕快進行改善那到目前為止就我們掌握的大部分現在動都動不了 |
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副副副副副 |
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其實跟地方政府有很大的關係還有整個區域的規劃甚至有的是在山坡地、保育區裡面等等那這些沒有辦法改變的事實才會導致有好幾家到目前為止即使給了他10年他也沒辦法去改變沒有辦法合法 |
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那這個問題我們第一個是透過修法延長時間就能夠解決的嗎那我希望部長跟署長這邊包括你們跟內政部有一些建築法規或者是跟農業部有一些地目的 |
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連應該說跨部會的一個聯繫會議裡面到底有沒有就這件事情來幫忙協助輔導合法化能夠解套在這10年間我覺得第一個要說清楚我們是不是真的有努力了第二個 |
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我印象中在剛剛你講的有一部分如果這10年間它可以合法的幾乎都轉型了包括就我知道的有一些教師會館也轉型了就是教育部向下它一間一間的檢討那有些景觀景光山莊或是新村之類的也在警政署的向下體系裡面也一家一家去檢討了能合法的它就合法了 |
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沒有辦法合法的他就收掉像台中的國軍義雄館在國防部的檢討之下他也收了是退府會啦所以我的意思是說這個第一個要請交通部跟觀光署能夠掌握明確的訊息來說明給各位委員聽 |
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第二個我也希望剛剛昭偉有提到湘克大樓的事情我們現在是做什麼處理就我的印象當中湘克大樓是不是在這一個的法案裡面的一個這個輔導合法化或者是我們現在用什麼樣的方式來做相關的規定我覺得一定要講清楚因為這樣子訊息才不會大家有所誤解好不好 |
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好 謝謝何委員接下來許智傑委員再來游浩委員謝謝主席其實剛我聽署長講說21家嘛21家有一些是土地問題嘛到底是幾家啊已經在申請像那個主席講的也許差一兩天一兩個月的我們不至於那麼不通人情嘛 |
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阿不過就是說我們就把那個21家攤開來看大概就知道啦那如果個別該處理的也許差1、2個月的那個應該也不用修法啦當然如果說真的是差1、2個月很多間那我們看實際的情況再來做決定好不好 |
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好 謝謝徐委員接下來游浩委員就是剛才有提到就是我想想執政黨的委員其實也提到就是協助輔導嘛當然有些土地的問題那個現在的話我是覺得過去的話不一定有積極的在協助但是其實這個延長的起見最主要是要給他們機會那其實他們既然有心要要讓他走向這個合法化要能夠輔導轉型 |
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那我就想這些跟過去都有歷史淵源包括都很有特色的這些其實更是發展觀光條例應該發展觀光的精神啊而不是把他們讓他們退場他們有些人在疫情期間當著這個配合政府政策防疫的模範生但是這時候就叫他退學 |
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然後我覺得說如果今天大家可以讓他們來趕快配合的甚至地方政府甚至包括共產黨政府如何能夠讓他們在土地使用上趕快轉型因為他們也在申請中他們也在努力啊那我在想今天有看到其實很多的包括直銷室的委員國軍運行館他們也要歇業吧這是逼著他們歇業啊 |
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那我在想現在給他們的期間甚至這些青年服務中心反而是更積極的輔導轉型那這個五年喔其實也是觀光署的成績啊那所以還是希望說能夠把它延長謝謝林國天委員其實特別提醒部長跟署長其實我剛才已經講得很清楚 |
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那我就很奇怪了這本來就是有歷史上的淹眼那為什麼那個時候你們還讓他們做呢所以這個很多事情是事緩則演這裡面不管多少家裡面的員工他還是有家計啦 |
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所以你今天如果再給他緩個5年到最後不管是定漏入條款或特別管理辦法這些就沒有這些都沒有這個法令的問題是你們來管理 |
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你如果是土地的問題那是你家的事啊我落入條款給你的啊我給你五年了啊啊你坐不來不符合我規定那就沒有辦法嘛所以我常講過我剛才也舉例確確實實我舉例像救國團欸在台北市疫情的當中他是扮演是一個防疫的尖兵欸人家全力配合了欸 |
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有歷史的東西我相信不管是相剋不管是景光山磚等等這類的東西那本來以前都是安全他們哪一個發生事情不要一窮不變拿那些法令來限制他們我認為保證我們說實在你是比較開明的做法啦 |
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既然立法委員有這種提案更何況三年的疫情對不對三年的疫情那你再給他五年我跟你講他做不到我跟你講你去訂漏路條款沒有人會怪你們沒有人會怪你們那如果你們去訂定辦法去輔導他們這也是一個辦法所以這個有歷史上的錯誤 |
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對不对 所以我還是建議這個應該是要給這種時間給他們去那個啦好 謝謝林委員我想這樣大家的來龍去脈大部分都知道啦那這個也有一些不同的想法啦那我想這樣的是不是因為雖然這個夜館單位法規的部分是觀光署但是 |
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涉及到一個單位包括了這個可能警政署的警官會館國防部的國警英雄館甚至教育部的教師會館甚至有勞動部的勞工的育樂中心還有農業部等等的領務局我覺得面向蠻多的我們是不是把這個案子就保留送院會協商好不好大家再給他一點院會嘛大家全宏觀去協商這樣的大家有沒有意見 |
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主席啊 我不同意啦因為剛才跟公安署講了老半天 那麼死古不化啊有疫情的問題在裡面嘛 你看執政黨委員有那麼激烈嗎 沒有吧是不是我們送宴會啦 我們就先出委員會啦 好不好先出委員會啦 欸 欸 欸表決一下沒事啦表決你有事嗎哪裡6比6 |
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六比七、七比六啊主席當然要表啊 主席怎麼可以不表主席不聽黨團的嗎好那個 表決啦報告陳委員這樣好不好 表決啦這樣的 大家稍微尊重主席幾秒好不好尊重我幾秒 |
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那我想其實在70之二條我們有四位委員提的版本除了時限要延長之外還有一些其他的內容還有一些其他的內容那這個整個的部分不是關一個15年因為真的有四個案子那這樣的我們這個部分就交給他們去綜合去考量我們保留送院會學商至少這個案子我們出委員會啦好不好讓他不要卡在這邊已經卡了這麼多年了啦好不好拜託 |
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不是一樣就出委員會啦不要表啦拜託啦拜託啦那最後一個這樣好不好你送去協商喔又有另一波的問題開始我跟你講你今天把它解決掉啦我知道今天把它解決掉了問題是這邊解決掉到了二讀會還是協商啊協商到時候他們去協商嘛你現在先把它表掉嘛好不好 |
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好好那既然我們提案的委員有堅持那我們做主席也是就是尊重啦好不好那我們針對於第等一下你要表決因為我剛剛講說因為還有其他的內容 |
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好來我還是要幫那個旅館業講幾句話因為疫情是大家共同承擔那我們覺得有合理的時間給他們你回去怎麼弄你弄配套啊你再講老半天還是表決啦對不對再講半個鐘頭還是這樣啊 |
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二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 二、黃健豪等17人、 |
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好 那我們提案委員這個議程的部分我們就針對於陳雪真委員的版本來進行表決那這個版本的內容請大家去大家來參閱一下就是時間延長5年到119年1月21號好不好 那我們來進行表決首先清點人數 |
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黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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好 我們進行表決贊成陳雪生所提的版本其中內容是這個期限展延到119年1月21號贊成的請舉手好 贊成6票好 反對的委員請舉手 |
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好,反對委員6票那我們評票齁那這個我是表達同意齁就是贊成這個陳雪生的一個版本好不好那本案按照表決結果通過 |
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那回來還有一個第二條剛剛那個既然這個通過了齁我們第二條的部分齁就維持現行條文好各位還有沒有其他意見沒有好那我們接續處理好 |
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協商完成做以下宣告今日協商結論免予宣讀授權議事人員整理作為決議列入記錄交通部建議條文及相關機關所送書面資料列入公報記錄另外針對今天的會議做以下決議討論事項第二案 |
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審查丸俊擬據審查報告提報院會討論第二、條次引述條文部分文字及法制用字授權主席及議事人員整理第三、院會討論時由本人魯昭偉、明哲補充說明第四、院會討論前 |
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院會討人權請問各位委員發展公安條例是否要交給黨團協商就直接交給院會就好啦好是不是要交給黨團協商不用 |
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就不用協商啦﹖直接給院會﹖保留給院會就好啦﹖好﹖阿等我們啦﹖好﹖好﹖好﹖現在休息11月20號星期三上午9點繼續開會謝謝大家 |
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吳偉 吳偉 吳偉 |
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三、四、三十、三十不要離開。好,請各位委員回座一下,謝謝。 |
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因為我們剛剛有還有53條有保留條文那這樣好不好我們院會討論前我們還是請問各位委員我們發展觀光條例是否需要交黨團協商因為保留條文那我們就同意各位同意有繼續協商黨團協商 |
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有36條因為有保留那還是要協商好那我們就決定還是交由黨團先協商還有沒有其他條文沒討論到的還是保留好沒有好那我們現在就休息11月20號上午9點繼續開會 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |
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黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 |