| IVOD_ID |
162759 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162759 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-23T09:29:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-23T09:47:10+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:17:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b58c4cf52db2e91a5dbc2e8f0bc3e82cb85017248ed72d8d5c7fa28b96d4b42cec6f0a0ad4d1e0835ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:29:42 - 09:47:10 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員、交通部首長及國家科學及技術委員會首長就「因應高齡化社會，我國智慧公共運具發展及目標」進行報告，並備質詢。【6月23日及6月25日二天一次會】） |
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郭文貴議員做詢答謝謝主席楊瓊瓊發言邀請部長郭部長 |
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我们看到媒体报道伊朗准备要封锁荷姆支海峡大家都知道荷姆支海峡是国际在运输运原油非常重要的航道那如果封锁了之后对我们的影响有多大呢请教部长 |
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我們現在還在評估啦我們有各種不同的這個所以我們有掌控這個訊息我們當然是從上個禮拜開始我們就掌控這個訊息上個禮拜開始那您認為評估了之後如果陳真那應該會陳真的情況之下我們影響會多大 |
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我們影響會根據國際油價的走勢做不同的推論譬如說現在油價來到80塊這個區間我們有80塊的做法當國際油價來到100塊我們100塊有什麼樣的對策包括我們要從哪個地方取得比較現貨的報價 |
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包括120、140我們都有做不斷的各種的方案去應對之那我們有多少的天然氣跟原油會從荷姆茲海峽通過呢我們大概目前來講這一個部分的話詳細的 |
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我們大概到目前為止大概會有多少我們現在目前所盤出來了目前來看應該是低於20%低於20%那低於20%呢這是目前我們所掌控的訊息所以換句話說封鎖了之後對我們是影響還是很大對我們影響就是說我們要繞過這個赫姆斯海峽然後這個影響對我們來講可能就是時間啦 |
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所以你的成本一定會增加嗎時間啊時間會更長嗎時間當然會更長嘛那個運費的部分啦運費的部分能夠攤底下來其實不多啦攤底不多現在是這個市場的行情在漲的時候會影響到我們的油價那這個是我們都有推論啦 |
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所以預估如果封鎖了荷姆茲海峽那麼原油有可能會漲我們都有一套這個計算的模式當然會漲當然會漲所以這個會針對我們會有影響我們一定要審慎對峙我們當然是非常的審慎的來評估所以我們有各種不同的 |
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各種不同的階段的影響評估我們在上個禮拜都已經做過好 上個禮拜開始應對接下來本席要跟你討論的我們請交通部次長也一併上來今天的主題高齡化我國智慧公共運具發展的目標我認為除了長遠的智慧運作發展是非常重要那公共運輸的部分我相信也必須要兼具的現狀 |
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落地有效如我們台中小王公車台中的服務員山海豚到梨山都是我們的所以在這樣的情況之下有很多的偏鄉所以早期大客車比較不容易進來的那所以呢我們民眾有時候等一班公車要等好久好久在這樣的情況之下 |
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有時候根本沒有車可以搭在這個偏鄉那所以呢我們台中市府就推出了小黃公車用計程車來取代大客車依照固定的路線固定的班次不僅它成本來節省也讓長輩讓學童讓身心障礙者以及讓通行者都能夠更加的受惠那盧市長上任之後呢我們更擴大 |
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小王公車的這個政策我也參與其中我也參與其中 甚至我們涵蓋了原市區以及我們縣區的三海屯總共21個22個行政區162里超過的班次有有這個26萬班次使用的服務的人次有達到178907人所以小王公車在整個補上運量 |
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不大 但是呢它實際上是非常非常的有效能因為它可以將需求的這個關鍵搭配呢可以降低成本所以在這邊要請教我們台中的小王公車是不是地方創新是一個成功的典範 次長 |
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包委員確實能夠把偏鄉的服務依照他的需求提供而且滿足是非常創新而且重要非常創新而且重要而且是一個成功的典範我們的部分就是您所知的幸福巴士跟幸福小房也一起來合作所以當時本席也特別低量本席也特別到現場去鼓勵所以本席要請教中央你是不是應該既然他是成功的 |
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而且是協助那在這樣的情況之下是不是應該要主動盤點全國還有哪一些的區塊他是否可以導入建立一個跨部位的協調平台從交通從經濟甚至在數位發展的一起來推動智慧型的 |
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小型運輸是謝謝委員這應該的這應該的對已經盤點到這個程度有些工作必須要重新思考哪些需求沒有被滿足所以你認同這個方向所以接下來我要請教經濟部長要麻煩縣市政府多幫忙 |
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縣市長我多幫忙 但是你中央要負責我們的經濟部長我知道這個對中央來講交通部他是主責但是我們經濟部我認為佔了很重要的角色也就是我們是不是可以透過中小企業相關的資源來協助車行的升級 |
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車輛要升級啊 車輛不升級 它拍出來沒有辦法這麼樣的迅速有效第一個 車輛升級 比如說我們導入了電動車 數位派遣AI的排班系統 讓小王公車它不只是交通工具 它更是智慧交通的一個轉型 |
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市長請你注意聽到 加雙市長是是謝謝委員的這個垂行這個部分我們馬上回來這個嚴明一下子好 非常感謝市長你聽到了部長願意要協助透過我們整合中小企業相關的這個資源所以我們希望小車也能夠有大力量那地方敢做能做的我們也希望經濟部他不是只有盤關就像部長我非常的這個這個讚許你願意 |
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一起跟交通部 我們從地方的資源 相關的中小企業資源跟交通部一起來做那在這樣的情況之下呢 我們覺得整個永續的在地的這個交通新模式 它是需要去落實的所以目前我們補助重大 這個大增運輸的部分都涵蓋在大型的營業者 |
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那對於剛剛交通部經濟部都認可的我們的這個小黃這一類的小型微型的經營者也應該要建立更友善的營運獎勵這個營運的這個獎勵措施讓地方真正成如剛剛交通部次長所說的他是地方創新地方業者也能夠投入帶動整個這個經濟鏈的一個成長那是否可以擴及到我們這種小型微型的一個經營者 |
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是謝謝委員吹薰這一部分凡是對我們國家這個中小微企業有幫助的這一些所有的這個推動活動我們中小企業署我們一定是不遺餘力全力以赴 |
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非常的感謝因為剛剛我特別先請交通次長來回答喔那這個呢在交通部跟經濟部大家都是非常認可我們在地方探求民眾的需求那麼多久時間可以研擬一套這個方案獎勵措施告訴我們讓我們地方的微型企業都能夠能夠得到政府的支持肯定跟落實 |
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是我們來跟這個中小企業署我想我們三個月內然後訪問這個所有的業者的心聲那麼看實際的這個可以產生什麼樣的效益我們三個月內可以提出來這一份的報告好那在討論的當中我也請交通部在這邊你要加入其中經濟部願意協助我們要謝謝我們希望在三個月內能夠得到一個答案交通部請回接下來本席要請問 |
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部長再生能源我們再來討論一下目標你一再跳票是2026年是不是會達標我們希望能夠達標但是部長我們討論的能源政策呢我看到2025年再生能源的配比是20%但是到今年的上半年我們初估大概是16.3%後來又說要到2026年11月份才能夠達成我請問2026年的目標會再跳票嗎 |
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報告委員2026年到目前為止我們很肯定的跟委員報告我們絕對不會讓他跳票2026年達到再生能源的20%不會被跳票因為北京今天看到這個在報紙上面你們說擴大無限量的發電量是否如此 |
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是否如此 是要因應這個2026年不會跳票嗎 是嗎是 我們現在在尋求各種的跨部門的協商我們希望以2026年不跳票作為我們最重要的一個方式以2026年 |
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不跳票的方式去尋找各種方式去落實接下來我們來討論原本強調的你的風光電太陽光的這個部分裝置容量2025年是達到20GW的目標但是去年也宣布是跳票了 |
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那你跳票也是延長到2026年但是我們看到光電的部分離20GW的目標我們還缺了5.49GW的一個缺口那學者業者都認為那一年如果增加兩個GW都了不得了那在這樣的情況之下都不看好2026年的這個打標會不會再延後 |
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光電的部分我們確實有碰到盧委員所垂行的這樣的一個困難但是我們在其他的方法其他的部分譬如說我們從這個風電還有這個地熱或者是水利我們希望能夠再加快 |
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所以剛剛部長你的回答也就是太陽光太陽光確定2026年還是達不到還會再延後我們2026年的11月達標還是我們第一個任務我們一定要想辦法達標我們只是說怕萬一 |
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怕萬一因為我們還仍然需要有一些地方政府的支持請問的是結果論喔2026年你達到20幾個月會達標嗎以目前我們的規劃會以目前的規劃 但是落實的腳程呢 |
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也是會 會達標落實的腳程也會達標是 但是我們需要所有國人大家共同的配合你有這個但是就是表示目前是有疑慮的沒有 這個是我們對於法彼此的認知啦那我肯定的告訴你會達標好 |
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2026年你認為太陽光電的部分呢是2026年會達到20%或是會達標那接下來本席跟你討論風電的部分風電2025年呢那麼你要達到5.6GW但是現在大概是3GW那進度會延後嗎也會不達標嗎風電我們會提早風電會提早在2025年你會達到5.6GW嗎 |
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2026年 我們還是2026年所以你的2025年要達到5.6計高的話是已經跳票所以宣布到2026年 請說明清楚那個是在過去的啊這個延一年也是在過去所承諾的事情好 所以你現在的封建是這所承諾的事情一定要2026因為你2025已經跳票 人民會怕啊那你現在2026 本席請教 |
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會不會跳票那個報告委員2025年延到2026年是因為COVID的關係所以當時上一任上一屆的這個政府有承諾讓他們延一年但我來接這個部長的時候就是完成2020年所以換句話說2026年你的這個風電的部分5.6GW你是要達到的 |
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是的好最後結論每年全國的電量上升不斷的在上升對不對部長需求量是上升的需求量我們都有估在我們計畫裡面當然是上升當然是上升那麼實際上我們發電量與20%的對應是有差距的因為政府的規劃在2030年再生能源的部分佔比是30%燃氣49%燃煤是多少呢 |
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2030年本期告訴你但是我們也聽到也看到考量便利的需求的成長率是2.1%對不對每一年的成長率大概2%2.1%是 報告委員您的資料是2.1那我們估的是2.4 |
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2.4還有需求那就是說我們每一年一直在增加好這個有個故事也就是每一年的需求電量是增加的所以屆時再生能源的發電量預計要將比2024年的330 |
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333億度會增加到2013年我們預估的2013年的976億度那換句話說是2024年的三倍所以本市要請教再生能源實際上的發電達到多少2024年及2025年到底數字是多少這個詳情的數目是請容許我回去再確認以後再跟您報告 |
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你頭腦現在沒有這個東西這個讓我們會害怕因為我們這個是最重要的能源政策而且2030年是確定要怎麼樣會有多少發電量這個應該我們的幕僚都有清楚吧怎麼會現在回答不出來呢 |
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您槌尋的完全正確啦是 謝謝我必須要準備啦所以我想下一次是不是請你提早告訴我我來這邊接受您執行部長 部長我已經非常非常 |
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理性的跟你討論所以我要的是2024年以及你預估2025年的數字因為已經告訴我們每一年的這個電量成長率是2甚至2.1 2.2現在你們估到2.4所以換句話說你們應該會知道 |
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到底我們2030年我們的發電量到底是多少才能夠讓我們很有信心的實際上你的發電量是足夠的嘛那如果連這個足夠的我們都不知道數字那我們怎麼相信是呢報告委員我是說我現在腦袋裡面沒有這個數字我必須要從我同仁那邊來接受這樣的一個訊息 |
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也謝謝部長你的誠實你的誠實我也希望得到正確的這個數字請會後數字給本席我希望的再生能源它不是口號因為大家針對於能源政策跟現實的落差大家都是非常關鍵在關心也鼓勵政府要好好的做民眾也希望能夠得到一個正確的答案嘛對不對我們完全的這個看法是一致的 |
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因為任何能源是非常非常非常重要因為我們不希望又再跳票又再失言企業的看盤查投資布局企業的投資布局他們關係的我們能源到底足不足他們要怎麼樣的來布局所以這一點是非常重要我要請部長我也感謝你誠實的回答你頭腦沒有這個數字但是這個誠實也希望能夠真正的去落實我們的數字 |
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問到以後就會給你問到以後給我這個應該是你頭腦裡面就已經有這麼重大的決策一起加油希望讓民眾能夠安心好不好不要再跳票謝謝 |