| IVOD_ID |
16275 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16275 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-18T08:31:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-18T12:31:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:59:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77dbf0f9f44450827e571fc48310b441d33dedb79b8bfb08e7991d158233403827a85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於農業部及所屬單位預算部分。
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於農業部主管，非營業部分：農業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金、農業特別收入基金及農民退休基金。(詢答)） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:20 - 12:31:00 |
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好,我們現在開始開會。請主評報告出席人數。報告全體會。出席委員13人,已足法定人數。我們現在開始開會。進行報告事項,請選組上至會議事錄。立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議事錄,時間113年11月14日星期四,9時至12時15分,地點紅101會議室,出席委員陳廷輝委員等12人,公教委員邱益穎、張家俊。 |
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列席委員、賴事保委員等23人。列席人員經濟部常次臨緊張。國發會副主委彭麗珮、各支保護委員會籌備處主任、理事、德技各單位相關人員、農業部、環境部、內政部、法務部、司法院、國家通訊傳播委員會、速發部、衛福部、交通部、財政部、勞動部、護衛會、園民會、主計處、總處等各單位代表列席。主席李昭吉委員歷於臨。 |
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報告事項先讀上次會議事錄決定確定報告事項討論事項一審查本院委員陳玉珍等17人已據《再生能源發展條例》第7條、第9條及第11條條文修正草案案。討論事項何便詢問委員陳玉珍與其 |
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徐宇貞及徐巧熙說明提案要旨經濟部長次聯緊張國發會副主委彭毅配及各支保護委員會籌備處主任李仕德報告後委員陳天飛等15人提出質詢經由各支保護委員會籌備處理主任經濟部聯長次國發會彭副主委 |
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1814.308 |
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1834.284 |
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衛福部郭專委、陸委會梁副主委、交通部盧代理副司長、財政部副署長、環境部梁副組長、紀鄉二人及喜達副登記發言委員．在場者外其餘軍委員．發言完畢。詢答結束委員．齊侃、邱益穎、謝一鳳、麥玉珍、林代化及張家俊所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報。 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
1835.204 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
1851.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
書面質詢和未及答覆部分請相關單位一周內以書面答覆並複製本會。二、委員徐巧熙等人擬拒《再生農業發展條例》第3條條文修正草案案。三、本庸臺灣民眾黨黨團擬拒《再生農業發展條例》第3條及第13條條文修正草案案。四、臺灣民眾黨團擬拒《再生農業發展條例》第19條之一及第21條條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
1858.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
1885.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
五、本院委員王宏偉等人已據《財政聯盟發展條例》第3條條文修正草案案決議尋答結束令定期繼續審查。二、審查一、本院委員王美惠等人已據《個人資料保護法》部分條文修正草案案。二、委員賴世保等人已據《個人資料保護法》第47條、第48條及第49條條文修正草案案。三、委員邱志偉等人已據《個人資料保護法》第21條、第29條及第32條條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
1886.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
1908.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
四、委員賴瑞榮等人擬拒個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案案。五、本院台民民眾黨人擬拒個人資料保護法第47條、48條、49條條文修正草案案。六、本院委員黃潔等人擬拒個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案案。七、委員徐宇貞等人擬拒個人資料保護法第6條條文修正草案案。決議行答結束令定期繼續審查。 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
1909.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
1925.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
三、審查一、本院委員陳亭碑的人擬拒離島建設條例第十條之一條件修正草案案。二、委員鄭天才的人擬拒離島建設條例第十三條條件修正草案案。三、委員陳玉珍的人擬拒離島建設條例申訂第十三條之一及第十三條之二。 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
1926.181 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
1943.092 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
條文草案案．委員陳玉珍等人以據旅島建設條例徵令第18條之一條文草案案．委員賴瑞榮等人以據旅島建設條例第二條第15條之一條文修正草案案．委員陳瑩等人以據旅島建設條例第13條條文修正草案案．決議詢答結束令定期繼續審查。 散會宣讀完畢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
1948.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
1978.333 |
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好,呃,有關議事錄部分,現在沒有,在場沒有委員。議事錄我們暫不處理。現在繼續進行討論事項,請一併宣讀。一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於農業部及所屬單位預算部分。二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於農業部主管．非營業部分．農業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金、農業特別收入基金及農民退休基金。今日詢答,宣讀完畢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
1982.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
1988.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
好,現在請農業部請陳俊基部長我們一併報告。 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
1999.456 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2025.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
主席、各位委員、各位女士、各位行政、大家早。那今天奉邀到大院經濟委員會報告114年度的有關於公預算跟非營利的基金的預算及相關的一個收支的一個情形。那首先還是感謝各位委員長期對於農業相關發展的一個支持。那以下針對報告用簡報的方式跟各位來做說明。 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
2026.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2048.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
那整個報告大概分為三個部分請參考那整個農業部的114年施政基本上還是架構在國家希望工程裡面非常重要去有幾個重點第一個就是完善農民的一個福利體系然後也推動農業的轉型升級確保糧食安全此外 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
2048.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2073.769 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
我們也會針對整個農業的生態環境的永續致力於相關的一個農村再生的一個實踐。那整個這個國家希望工程裡面大概我們透過之前所跟各位說明的透過智慧、韌性、永續、安心的四個政策的手段來達到穩定的農業生產、永續的農業生態跟幸福的農村生活。 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
2074.449 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2089.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
那這三個面向裡面不僅是除了農民福利跟農事效率的提升以外那我們也會全面推動相關的農業對雷氏的一個給付那針對友善永續環境的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
2089.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2090.426 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
發言委員：發言委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
2118.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2118.876 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
發言委員：發言委員： |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
2148.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2165.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
最嚴別來看的時候那最主要是比去年還少了大概4.78億那這個簡列的部分最主要是農田水利人和建設基金出資的結一款腳庫的部分那3.57億那這個等一下會說明以及全國農業金庫現金鼓勵1.15億 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2168.984 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2180.568 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
在稅出的部分整個農業部門的公務預算編列了1692.54億那其中一法律義務支出的部分大概佔了48%大概是818.98億公共建設佔了16%是263.07億那一般性的支出560億 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2194.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2222.034 |
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最重要的是科技研究發展去支撐農業整個發展的部分大概佔了百分之三大概49.97億那如果說我們跟去年的預算數相比的話整個農業部的114年供預算的支出比113年預算數增加了83.24億那其中增加的部分包括一般性的支出還有公共建設以及科技發展的支出那以下就這些部分分別說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2222.794 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2229.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分： |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2249.385 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2264.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
與相關的農損基金分別是29.56億跟18.34億那另外我們也增列了遠洋大型委員調的一個收購的一個計畫大概10.37億這些經費就是最主要是增加的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2265.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2293.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
那依法律義務支出的部分,占了818.98億那檢列的部分最主要是針對因為113年度我們增列了112年度那時候調整了月頭保金所增加的費用那這筆費用是單年度的在113年度編列但是114年度就不用編列就回歸到正常所以檢列了21.16億那增列的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2294.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2308.669 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
最主要是正列的撥補農業天然災害救助基金。這個基金也會說明從過往的27億增加到39億多。另外還有正列的漁業用油補貼以及農民健康保險的虧損部分。 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2311.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2328.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
所以整個依法律義務支出的部分大概我們從這個表來看的話農農福利今天大概編列了448億那相關的農民參加農民健康保險的補助費用大概27.78億那農民參加全民健康保險的一個保險費的補助是161.75億這是比較大項的部分請各位參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2334.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2340.112 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
公共建設支出公共建設支出公共建設支出公共建設支出公共建設支出公共建設支出公共建設支出公共建設支出公共建設支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2355.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2369.714 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
農田水利的部分也增加了11.89億那還有相關的森林永續經營及產業振興的部分增加了10.42億那這個三個大計畫的支持還有正業的農地重劃的9.29億那這幾個計畫其實凸顯了我們明年度會更積極的去推動相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2379.263 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2407.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
從治山防洪的部分從農水流的部分我們會加強我們的農業的一個基礎建設那在檢列的部分包括了26.14億是前任漁港前任漁港的那個期程已經到了所以去年有編26.14億今年因為期程已經結束了所以就不用再編這個部分是檢列的部分還有相關的冷驗的計畫也到去年到今年到期那我們明年度開始會 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2408.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2408.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
發言委員： |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2419.541 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2427.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
計劃主要的計劃包括生理容區經營的產業增進計劃41.86億那整體的資產防護計劃是45.79億那相關的蟲化區緊急農路設施的改善17.69億等那相關的還有漁業容區經營的基礎建設我們也比去年度增加的2.08億達到15.04億那有關冷鏈的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2444.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2444.227 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
發言委員： |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2463.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2481.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
那科技發展的部分114年度預算達到49.97億比去年度45.83億增加了4.14億那這樣的一個經費的增加也顯示農業部門未來針對科技發展去支持產業的決心是不會變的而且我們也透過相關的計畫原體像 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2484.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2499.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
國科委爭取相關經費,主要經費在爭業氣候變遷及近年台放相關科技研發。整個科技研發相關列表部分請各位參考。 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2500.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2520.212 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
那第二個部分除了公寓預算以後農業部主管的還有農業特別收入基金的預算編列那整個114年的基金的預算基金來源是464.45億那基金的用途是611.62億分別比去年度的預算案都有增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2521.173 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2527.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
相關的114年基金來源464.45億,主要是供戶撥補,大概372億左右。基金的用途611.62億,比去年還多56.36億。主要包括有關於農業經營的發展,還有增進農民所得福利等相關的計畫。相關的計畫等一下會做一個說明。 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2544.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2567.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
整個農業特別收入基金大概分為6個部分。第一個部分是農業發展基金。第二個部分是農損基金。第三是農村再生基金。接下來是林務發展及造林基金、天然災害救助基金及漁業發展基金的部分。整個業務的收入相關的請大家參考。 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2569.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2578.194 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
從農發基金來看的時候農發基金我們114年度編列了200基金來源是237.31億基金的用途是229.53億比去年度的預算案213.20億增加到16.33億所增加的部分最主要是增列了良正的業務12.36億等包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2594.324 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2621.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
我們現在目前預計要推的一級二轉三加三的一個政策8.4億左右那基金的用途裡面相關的農業幾個主要比較大型的包括農政的業務153.78億那利息貸款差額補貼的部分30億左右那穩定肥料的部分大概有15億那相關的農業保險也有11億那農民子女就學基金有8.25億及產業調節5.6億左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2624.825 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2633.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
第二個部分是農產品受淨喉損害基金。這個基金裡面整個基金的用途大概編列了169.14億,比去年度的150億增加了18.64億。整個169.14億主要是辦理對地綠色幾戶的118億。 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2644.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2664.558 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
還有整個產業面的一個調整的部分大概有50億左右也包括了養豬產業韌性高值化的一個計劃優化跟養牛產業、酪農養牛產業的計劃也在這裡做一個編列那整個基金用途較上年度增加了18.64億那最主要是增加了綠色 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2666.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2666.947 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
議員提供的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
2686.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2712.105 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
五十六點二七億主要是辦理農村再生的規劃相關的人力的培育那另外農村發展建設的部分有一百一十三點八二億那在基金用途比去年增加最主要是增加了兩個部分一個部分就是整個農村的人才培育就是去吸引再更多的年輕人進到整個農村的一個系統那另外也增列了農村的再生的建設跟發展的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
2713.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2738.234 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
有關於零物結天然及漁業發展基金的部分比較重要的是零物跟漁業發展基金大致變動不大最主要是農業天然災害救助基金編列了39.61億在這邊我特別跟各位說明就是天然災害救助基金往年大概編列27到28億由於近年來像今年已經連續有4個颱風 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
2740.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2762.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
相關天然災害造成農產損失,特別在農業發展基金的部分,我們也編列了比較高的基金來應付未來環境面前所面臨的農民災害損失。整個農業作業基金的部分,整個基金的部分,最主要大概整個業務的收入跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
2764.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2764.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
發言委員：發言委員： |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
2785.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2801.355 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
農業作業基金裡面大概有三個基金,一個是種苗改良繁殖作業基金,一個是序程改良作業基金,一個是農業科技園區的作業基金。種苗改良基金最主要是配合政策的種子的生產及推廣。 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
2803.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2811.084 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
續展基金最主要是針對續型改良繁殖的推廣的部分。農科基金最主要是針對農業科技園區裡面的園區的開發擴充改良及相關的徵購跟管理的一個事項。 |
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2818.715 |
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2843.87 |
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農田水利基金的部分,整個農田水利基金業務總收入是108.3億,主要是政府的補助及水利設備使用費的一個收入。114年度的總收入128.66億,主要是用人還有相關的設置維護跟折舊的費用。那預估我們114年底基金的淨值能可以維持到4144.75億。 |
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2847.836 |
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2854.78 |
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農田水利基金分為母基金及17個分基金,合計收入108.3億元,支出128.66億元,年底淨值4144.75億元。各基金的收入及支出情形請參閱。 |
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2872.523 |
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2882.409 |
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有關於農民退休基金的預算編列的部分那整個總支出的部分是2,255.5萬那比113年度的159.6萬增加了95.9萬那相關的整個的255.5萬最主要是投資業務的一個成本那我們預估110年底基金的淨值可以達到288.36億元 |
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2903.066 |
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2913.914 |
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那接下來跟各位報告有關於113年度的一個預算的一個執行情形那整個稅入113年的預算稅入的情形是22.53億那稅數是1609.3億那累計分配的執行包括累計的執行數目前稅數的部分已達到90.29%那我想我們會針對 |
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2929.085 |
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2929.225 |
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發言委員： |
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2949.761 |
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2975.054 |
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五百五十五點二六億,它的執行率是九十四點一七億那農業作業基金總額業務支出的部分它的執行率達到九十三點一七那農田水利事業作業基金的部分它達到了執行率達到十月底達到了八十二點二八億那同樣的我們針對相關的這些執行率的部分也會在剩下的兩個月的部分我想我們會檢視每一個 |
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2977.897 |
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計劃的相關的經費的資金力去盡量達到我們的政策要求。 |
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2983.906 |
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最後我想跟各位委員報告我們農業部將持續精進各項的農業政策作為然後同時以多元的輔導來協助產業的升級跟提升我們產業的競爭力逐步落實整個政策所揭示的自衛鏈性永續安心的一個農業來推動農業持續的不斷的向前進步那也再次感謝所有的委員長期以來對我們農業的一個關心與關注 |
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與支持以及不遺餘力照顧農民的部分那敬請各位委員能夠持續給農業部相關的指教期待我們一起努力讓我們農業永續發展達到明天會更好謝謝好部長先回座明天一定會更好在場委員已足三人請問各位同仁上次會議輸入有錯誤 |
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沒有錯,我們就確定上市一次錄。那進行詢答之前,我很快的介紹今天農業部列起的我們施署處的相關同仁。很快的,不用站起來。農業部陳濟俊部長、綜合規劃師蔡巧蓮市長、資源永續利用師莊老達市長、 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
3060.922 |
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3068.808 |
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農民輔導師陳俊延師長、修復師李一千師長、動保師江文泉師長、農業科技師李鴻熙師長、國際術師蕭東瓊師長、資訊師郭坤峰師長、秘書處蘇孟蘭處長、法治處吳芙蓉處長、人事處林建章處長、政運處江北鸞處長、會計處蘇文樹處長、統計處王淑娟處長、農家屬的部分是姚士元署長、 |
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3091.241 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
3114.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
一、由王振芳代理署長、動質與防疫檢驗署、邱垂章署長、林業及資源保育署、林華慶署長、農村發展及水土保護署、李正陽署長、農田水利署、蔡昇甫署長、農業金融署、李聰勇署長、農業與科技園區管理中心、謝聖興主任、林業實驗署、 |
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3116.537 |
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3141.162 |
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市長出國有公務請假由蔡正榮副署長代理、營業實驗所鄭麗燕學所長、實驗所張景怡所長、實驗所黃正芳所長、生物研究所鄧明中所長、農業藥物實驗所徐次鴻所長、生物多元性研究所楊家棟所長以及桃園苗栗台中台南高雄花蓮台棟。 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
3142.282 |
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3162.488 |
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茶飲料、總糧、繁殖廠、各廠的廠長、面政部及勞動部、行政院、主計總署的代表。現在我們要進行詢答。委員之前,主席願意做幾點宣告。每位委員發言時間本會員6分鐘,必要時得延長。 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
3165.186 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
3190.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
兩分鐘非本會委員四分鐘上午十點截止發言登記也是為了讓會議能夠順利進行以及每位委員發言時間的公平性以及不影響下位委員發言的權益在我們每位委員諮詢時間結束之後本席會立即請諮詢委員停止諮詢請各位委員能夠充分配合感謝好第一位委員諮詢請林大華委員 |
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3195.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
3217.699 |
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請回部陳部長部長您的結語說我們本部持續精進各項的農業政策作為以多元輔導協助產業升級提升競爭力落實智慧韌性智慧韌性 |
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3218.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
3219.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
發言委員： |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
3236.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
3256.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
議員： |
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3256.756 |
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3272.129 |
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農業部開始就要智慧管理有啦你們現在有做啦在成吉仲時代有做了一個所謂的平台他要離智慧化的管理還差得遠啊那本席也一直倡議你如何解決菜土菜金你所有的產銷的資訊能夠從部分 |
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3275.051 |
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3275.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
發言委員： |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
3298.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
3298.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
發言委員： |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
3318.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
3341.087 |
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所有的各部會喔部會只有農業部沒有做兩件事情第一個我們的智慧AI的導入智慧化基金這個是一個概念我如果在算力的導入當中去提升我們的生產的良率去提升我們的品質第二個節能減碳就在做這兩件事情而已農業部有做嗎 |
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3341.727 |
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3351.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
沒有。所以呢你導致你的這個12月到2月高利貸好現在止爆了那像今年3到5月香蕉過剩然後整年度的雞蛋生產過剩那只要颱風香菜我們動輒美金就六七百塊那你一定會說這個是颱風啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
3363.374 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
3363.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
發言委員： |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
3380.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
3407.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
溫室的種植啊好那現在包括斑斑有石斑這是為了因應什麼難道你們真的有這個前瞻性嗎是因為中國禁止進口我們的石斑有斑斑有鮮奶難道是因為你們要真的要這個要保護我們國內的弱農嗎是因為我們面對的紐西蘭的這個免關稅鮮奶免關稅到現在還是永久乳在替代啊 |
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3408.231 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
3428.288 |
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好那現在最好笑的是你們現在說不勉強不勉強各個學校去做你要不要班班有先來因為你的弱農的本身的量體不夠啊你也必須用替代的那個永久農來啊所以這在在在的從講到我們農業政策是缺乏產業戰略規劃產業的戰略規劃 |
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3431.511 |
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3431.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
非營業部分： |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
3442.887 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
3466.601 |
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只有全部的部會就只有農業部最弱五。好,我們來看走過口蹄疫之後的疫情管制。今年口蹄疫去年我們拔針一定要一年。好,那現在我們有市場嘛。那本席認為如果真的養豬業要有真的國家對在國際市場上能夠再現風華AI基因定序的基因農業兩件事情喔。 |
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3468.402 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
3489.191 |
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AI是來基因定序是一件事情我用AI來匹配基因定序又是一個技術這應該導入我的養豬業好我們來看左邊美國丹麥英國美國的美投豬的養殖過程我講的是豬本身產生我如何降低他百分之他美國能夠降低這頭豬在養殖過程當中的7.7的碳排 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
3493.433 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
3498.997 |
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丹麥它的生米頭豬的生產效益增加30%減碳26%英國是米頭豬的增加35%的遺傳增進率減碳10%他們還設定喔本身養豬喔不是講養豬的環境喔這等一下我後面會講養豬本身他2050年英國說他們要減碳80% |
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3517.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
3522.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
好這當中的技術在哪裡他為什麼能夠增加豬的生產效益為什麼他能夠豬本身生產的減碳他做到了飼料換肉率的提高他做到的實性考的品種的挑選他做到的體型加的種源的篩選 |
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3538.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
3539.068 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
非營業部分：發言委員： |
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3559.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
3577.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
那當然他的這個他的長肉就會快所以本席認為今天我們的養豬隊養豬國家隊如果真的要立足台灣放眼全球再次的拓展國際市場全基因體的AI育種整個之全部的基因定序 |
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3578.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
3579.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
發言委員： |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
3597.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
3607.676 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
這是多麼美好的一件事情但是他是民間自主來做臺灣特色農業的榮耀找回美味的種源歐滌、歐滌肉是臺灣味是臺灣因此的一個印象但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
3612.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
3640.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
基因不存實的臺灣市場上的黑豬存在三個問題第一個外表性狀差異大第二個生產效率不一第三品質規格不易控管所以我們當然很難走向高品質的國際市場這個這家民間公司透過了基因定序的技術找回了臺灣原生種的黑豬的DNA總源成為我們初始的目標平埔黑豬 |
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3641.834 |
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3649.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
民民貧苦黑豬由村發成畜牧場與臺大動科系畜產試驗所平科大等多個教育政府單位的合作經過15年成功選育出的品種這是臺灣首個民間自行育種 |
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3663.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
3664.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
發言委員： |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
3684.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
3710.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
當然有,我們民間做出來了。好,這樣的豬種有什麼好處?它能夠適應台灣亞熱帶且這個肉質以伊比利豬不相三下世界最好的豬伊比利豬算數一數二嫩度甜度優於市售的白豬這個都含進口豬好,我們看國產豬的過去跟現在好,過去我們在1997年口蹄爆發之前我國的豬口日本是20萬以上的豬肉 |
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3712.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
3713.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
農業部過去的養豬效益,在1996年我們的豬價每公斤58元,出口當時每公斤是豬肉152元。 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
3732.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
3752.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
二〇二一年我們不能出口但是我們每公斤價格提升了七十六點七就在這時候我看日本各國輸入日本的這個價格是不高於每公斤一百五十塊的所以你這樣台灣在今年七月一號這個解除台灣口蹄疫的疫區限制台灣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
3754.068 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
3754.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
發言委員： |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
3771.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
3779.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
好,走過狗敵意之後我們如何強化養豬的產業競爭力提升我國豬隻跟豬隻產品競爭力開啟國際市場的新契機為當務之急本席要講的是在今天講到國際合作如果我們台灣的種族只要導入AI而且用AI來做基因定序來存化品種它一定有一個特色耐思耐樂 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
3797.225 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
3797.245 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
發言員： |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
3816.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
3822.412 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
主席不好意思再給我一分鐘了那我就再批評一下農業部好了請你們看PIG333全世界的這個這個國際豬連國外都把我們的豬分析出來我們豬為什麼貴我們的飼料成本貴所以我們美國你看這是全世界成本每公斤豬肉成本生產最高的是台灣去看看這個期刊 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
3844.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
3855.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
好那產業政策沒有就算了本席主張由國營事業台堂開始展開我國的豬隻經營地序藉由國營事業的競爭力提升刺激整體豬隻的續產第二個比照台堂東海峰東海峰你們只做什麼你們做人員政策不是做產業政策你們用了這個早期他的豬的 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
3867.972 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
3877.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
排泄物來做早期發電這叫做能源政策不是農業政策所以呢部長您這個可不可以針對本席的建議一個月內提供給本席 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
3878.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
3889.887 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
我想有關於數位預總的部分我們會在一個月提供但是國營事業台當是經濟部所屬不是農業部所管我們會跟他我們一起來協助他們的不連花了6個多億哪一個農業民間可以花了6個多億來處理那個水聯的問題所以部長太落伍了請你支持我們的卓院長的AI內閣好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
3909.092 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
3934.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
來,官員請回座。下一行,邱毅英委員之選。 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
3943.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
3944.129 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
農業部陳部長 |
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委員長部長早部長我今天有三個問題要請教第一個我想讓您回答一下這個國民黨的委員說你們這個宣傳的預算經費農業部是排名在前三名那這個是不是又要來搞大內宣可是我認真看了一下農業部的預算編列其實跟去年是一樣的都是1.4億也沒有特別增加那內政部大概是增加比較多所以 |
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部長我還是讓您簡單說明一下你們這個預算今年的這個行銷預算準備拿來做什麼? |
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謝謝委員那我想我們的相關的媒宣的部分我們有幾個重點第一個重點就是說其實我們農業部門從山上的這些森林的防火的部分是需要不斷的去宣導以外那相關的這些病蟲害的防檢疫特別是疫病的部分從邊境從機場就像你們在宣導台灣的這個 |
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防疫非洲豬瘟禁止大家帶豬肉這些在機場的宣導等等這些都是在你們的所有的宣傳經費裡頭嗎那有沒有包含這個我們的農產品的行銷跟市場開拓的這些宣傳特別是我們現在在國外的時候我們希望說透過通路的一個確認在國外的行銷我們會更加大力道去處理 |
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部長其實我覺得就是說如果單就預算數字上看起來其實你們跟去年是差不多但我覺得幾個重要的大象我認為農業部可能還要再說明不要讓人家說你們這是拿來做大內宣拿來買網軍其實農業部也不需要去買網軍 |
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我們台灣的農產要外銷台灣的農產要開拓市場台灣的農產要宣傳甚至很多防疫的觀念要宣傳其實都是需要靠這個經費的我覺得這個部分農業部應該是可以去好好的去做一些宣傳就像我上次跟您提到台灣的優質米現在台灣的優質米已經賣到日本去了在日本的超市是可以買得到而且價格是比日本產的米是便宜兩成 |
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部長您同意我的看法嗎? |
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我非常同意,特別是在國際行銷的部分,包括我們的U字的米的部分,上次也說過了明年度一月份日本會組團來針對米還有其他的農產品會做一個有契約性的採購,那我們希望透過這個能夠讓我們的國產的農產品銷到國外去。當然不只米,比如說像台灣的荔枝, |
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發言委員：發言委員： |
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我非常謝謝委員對這個議題的關心 |
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因為這個三層本身我覺得第一個部分就是我們會精準的行銷特別是退休儲金的部分你越早去投保的時候你後續的時候退休也要領得越多可是部長很多年輕人第一個他不知道他能夠從農多久第二個他如果沒有收入他就沒有錢 |
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有誘因去想要加入退休儲金制度所以你在這個誘因的部分有沒有可能再增加一些比如說從農的他已經在農會有這個農保資格的我們確認他從農的我們事先提撥一筆基金或者是提撥一筆預算在他的儲金帳戶裡頭然後也告訴他這個農退儲金其實 |
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不用擔心未來可能會像勞保會破產等等或者是說把它列為其他的社會福利保險制度預算有沒有可能用多管齊下的方式去把一個這麼好的農退儲金制度讓他做一個加保的比例提升 |
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有沒有考慮過其他的方式去提到?那個委員所提到這個部分我們也曾經在多內部討論那先到一些規定的部分就是說我預播一些能夠讓他覺得說他的一個帳戶裡面但是不是他可以用的這個部分我們都在規劃那另外我們現在鎖定的對象是有一些已經從 |
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對,我想... |
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就算一個好的政策沒有人來參與沒有人來投入其實這個好的政策也都是枉然農退出金制度我們推了這麼久好不容易修法通過好不容易上路了那我覺得這個制度尤其是對於親農他們其實幫助是最大的未來到他年老退休的時候他其實就是有一筆固定的金額我覺得這個部分可能要請農業部再多加強一點力道 |
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第三個問題 |
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這個部長您大概知道你們的這個免登資材跟生物農藥的預算其實每一年都編的很少112年編了7000多萬到最後的總執行大概是10796萬那高雄市呢我高雄市大概只有分到837萬去113年呢 |
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發言委員： |
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發言委員： |
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發言委員： |
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我認為如果114年的預算你只這樣編的話我希望115年的預算能夠大幅的增加好不好謝謝 |
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非常有優秀傑出。謝謝邱委員。部長回座。下一位質詢請鄭正前委員。謝謝主席。我想請一下陳部長。請農業部陳部長。 |
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部長好因為114年中央政府的媒體預算宣傳費高達25.88億元那其實就是比上一個年度增加65%其實漲幅非常的多可是我看到農業部其實是持平農業部的那個媒體預算是持平可是呢在各部會當中還是排名前五大將近有1.9億1.9億多1億9千多萬元 |
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其中包括農業特別基金的收入4799萬多元。為甚麼大家會拿放大鏡來檢視中央政府的宣傳預算?是因為1450之前發生的 |
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發言委員：發言委員 |
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發言委員： |
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第一個部分有關於科技的一個研發成果的發表那那個是非常重要因為我們農業部門大概有16個實驗單位這些成果我們會定期的對外的宣導讓農民瞭解OK部長我理解其實這跟我想像你會回答的方式是一樣的可是我想說就是 |
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立法院預算中心也特別指出農業部的媒體宣傳費用高度集中而且多採限制性招標在110年到112年的媒宣費用裡面的時候前十大廠商有六家年年重複在各部會裡面是最嚴重的一個情況部長我想請問你你知道這六家年年重複的媒體是哪六家嗎我跟委員報告齁據我手邊的資料我們 |
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今年度本身的有關於媒體宣傳總共有8家那這個8家包括了那個臺市、華市、年代、山地、東森、民視、中廣跟凱洛。那總共有8家。 所以8家年年重複。沒有。我說以今年度來講我並沒有去比對上一年度的齁。那相對的就是說以我們的媒體的預算裡面有8家我覺得它並不是集中在一家或兩家的部分。 |
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重點還是用限制性招標年年重複而且整個院中心這邊就直接算出來就是年年重複的這6家廠商他只講6家你現在講8家那可能是有2家他沒有年年重複只有2家沒有年年重複有6家是年年重複那他們幾乎佔了整個農業部沒宣費用的4成以上 |
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我跟委員報告我們還是根據政務採括我想要跟委員解釋那個所謂的限制性招標不是就是一家理解 |
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市長這部分我們都理解我只是覺得說因為如果說我們預算中間會特別提到一個狀態有這樣的現象所以我們希望能夠避免接下來我們還是不斷用限制性招標然後能夠去讓特定的幾家媒體不斷的去宣傳媒體的宣傳應該要廣嘛對不對你一定也同意媒體宣傳要廣 |
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議員﹗ |
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會,我們會來改善。 |
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好 那這部分的時候我想說我就繼續的追蹤因為1450就從農業部這邊起來讓農業部不斷的背負起了一個養小編然後去養網軍的一個包袱我就當時不是你當部長所以我也希望這事情農業部能夠慢慢把它洗刷掉不要現在人家講到網軍就講到14501450就講到農業部我覺得這是不對的好不好我們會來檢討 |
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紅火椅的部分就是它的南線我們當時紅火椅防治的中心它的一個地域在什麼地方在苗栗頭前系那邊 對 |
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部長,拖欠息在新竹,不是苗栗嗎?我們的最南界市在苗栗,然後我們的防禦線是在投鹽溪。那這個部分,因為整個新竹市,三個區域全部都在紅火以的一個肆虐的範圍當中。那我們希望這部分,我們後續怎麼做?給本席一個詳細的說明。我們簡單的講,我們會針對比較 |
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新竹市的市區也有很多紅火已肆虐的區域,在市區都已經非常的普遍。 |
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農業金庫的現行的獨立董事他是怎麼提名? |
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現行的獨立董事是由農業部推薦然後由農業金庫那邊經過董事會去討論股東會去討論那我在想說因為目前整個農業金庫的獨立董事基本上就等於是農業部直接推薦可是我們整個販官股的部分在整個農業金庫當中只佔了41.6%位的股權 |
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包括農業部37.59%、農業信保基金的4.03%其他的部分其實是販農漁會的體系占了58.33%剛達將近六成的一個農漁會體系將近六成的股份可是他們沒有辦法去推薦讀懂 |
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部長你覺得這樣合理嗎?不過我想要跟委員報告就是農業金庫它不是一般公開發行的公司它本身是農會的上級的一個單位同樣是督導所以我們更重要的是它負責整個農業的金融體系包括我們的所謂農民貸款的支撐是部長我在想說因為這個部分 |
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只要是公司的體系他其實基本上就按照公司法去做就不會有問題我們按照公司法去做就不會有問題所以本席希望就是農業金庫獨董的部分也能夠比照公司法去改採候選人的提名制度只要有1%以上的股份他們就有權利去提名、去推薦那至於說董事會到最後怎麼決定那是另外一回事可是至少不要剝奪這些股東他們的一個提名權 |
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公司法來去做農業金庫的一個管理我還是跟委員報告因為農業金庫跟一般的公司不一樣他他肩負了很多農業的金融的政策如果純粹讓股東去提名的時候那會 |
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主席 |
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好,謝謝知名經濟委員。那個部長這個部分是要跟這個政委委員喔,詳細說明一下。好,部長請回座。好。好,下位質詢請陳庭菲委員。謝謝主席,請部長。請陳部長。 |
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委員長,我每次在質詢當中都跟您在討論一個叫制度的問題。基本上我相信從過去到現在,我們不論是農業的摘損、漁業的摘損或畜牧的摘損,我們其實在每一次有颱風過,尤其今年又特別。 |
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發言委員： |
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事必他一定會對我們台灣不論有沒有直撲畢竟他還會有一些氣流的影響所以基本上從康瑞一直到現在你知道我們是持續摘損持續摘損不是延遲性是持續性摘損這是很恐怖你看從康瑞 |
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發言委員：發言委員： |
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發言委員 |
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這是第一關嗎? |
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是。 |
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發言委員： |
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是因為當時候那個是全面性的自災所以有辦法第一時間全面性公告可是在各地方像在台南第一時間11月1號部長你還可以看你的LINE你第一通你一大早還沒開會之前就接到我的電話我跟你講科朋的問題我跟你講我們這些各品項 |
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但是部長你看喔 |
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發言委員： |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
5320.043 |
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5340.569 |
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我不知道是誰發生問題啦是政府發生問題還是農業部不積極我要跟委員說明一下也順便讓所有的我想包括我們的媒體朋友知道其實天然災害救助的標準他是由地方公所這邊去訴報訴報了以後 |
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確定了它的自災程度然後由公所確認以後提報到縣府縣府提報到農業部農業部再公告這是標準的流程但是因為大面積的自災農業部在第一時間我們就啟動了我們的分署跟改良場所跟漁業署的部分去看我們就採用主動公告可是主動公告的過程我們也發現了包括部分的縣市包括台南還有其他縣市公所就變成 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
5372.142 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
5390.148 |
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不怎麼想要去看這個我們都清楚所以我為什麼一直請你就把事情SOP講清楚這個SOP已經就在那邊了我們也要求就在那邊問題是你沒有要求嘛大家地方看中央中央看地方嘛誰受害農民受害是 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
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5412.455 |
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因為大家都沒有想到喔農民如果受損之後他的農作物產生自災他沒有趕快去做清理他沒有翻根他那些東西更嚴重啊他會造成下一季的收成有問題喔他如果在整個造成菌的影響 |
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那不是我們能夠去思考的喔所以我們農民都第一時間你知道嗎楊江瓜那一天那一天11月1號下午去看早上這邊假凍立法院假凍下午去看的時候他們已經翻過一番了捏他們已經趕快做處理了我說你怎麼這麼快有委員我們如果沒趕快處理的話有可能我們下一季就發生問題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
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5442.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
農民的感受度 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
5471.784 |
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很清楚,所以楊香瓜跟紅蔥,我說到目前為止,康瑞從10月底30號那時候一直到現在多久了? |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
5473.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
5491.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
農田水利事業基金、農田水利事業基金及農田水利事業基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
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5517.003 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
這是我們也要謝謝我們農糧署啦在我們吹的時候有去了解啦然後現在有一些問題我剛好要跟部長說啦楊江瓜北門區、將軍區、契谷區、安南區有達到整個綜合評估的救助標準現在在成合當中紅中頭也是安南區契谷有符合救助標準目前在成合中趕快公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
5518.104 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
發言委員： |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
5536.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
5561.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
這個部分還有蕎麥跟黑豆這個都是持續性持續性的自災你像蕎麥黑豆就是蕎麥是六甲區關田區黑豆是柳營區關田區北門區這個部分這個部分到底他們自災的狀況趕快速報居然還有區公所是拿3月份的資料給你們你們知不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
5562.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
5562.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
很誇張啊! |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
5562.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
5566.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
真的很誇張!來部長重新因為這整個颱風、四個颱風共辦的四個颱風是從康睿一直到現在都是持續性的。現在我已經叫他報報了,趕快去訴報了解整個狀況,已經泡在水裡兩十星期了。 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
5588.716 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
5613.002 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
再來就是我們番茄的部分是鹽水、將軍、北門、關田、永康也趕快去有些都還沒訴報我一個一個追我得到的訊息農民給我的陳情我一個一個追這些有很多都還沒訴報還有食用玉米整個狀況都不一樣山上將軍、家裡、西港、麻豆這些拜託部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
5614.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
5633.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
請你跟區公所趕快說農業局跟農業局說請區公所趕快速報我們趕快把它彙整起來該給人家的災損公告就趕快災損公告然後一個重點就是洋香瓜跟紅蔥頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
5649.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
拜託部長趕快公告,因為這個已經都達到了治災的標準了。其他的部分趕快要求各區公所趕快速報。再拜託。我們會繼續跟台南市政府聯絡。謝謝。謝謝陳提芬委員。請部長繼續跟台南市政府相關單位聯絡。好,請回座。好,下位質詢請謝一鋒委員。 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
5679.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
5681.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
謝謝主席。我想要請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
5690.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
5709.742 |
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市長,早安。你知道現在氣候變遷嗎?你說要提高我們的農業韌性。現在台北我們大家在穿毛衣。你知道髒話,或者是更難,現在是大太陽。代表了氣候環境的改變對我們農業的影響非常大,是不是?是。 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
5711.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
5731.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
所以過去以來我們強力的就是在支持農業部的科技發展預算但是我發現了在我們大力支持希望我們科技發展可以協助農業生產的時候但是在農民端發生了一個問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
5733.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
發言委員：發言委員： |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
5749.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
5750.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
我知道。但是, |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
5766.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
5791.583 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
從農民他們所接觸的生產的積雪就是說他們接觸的所有的不管是肥料也好或者是種苗也好他們會認為他們的生產成本因為技術的提高而增加而他們的收入卻沒有因為技術的就是說他們這些成本的增加而有大幅度的增加這要怎麼解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
5792.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
5816.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
我想要分兩個部分就是說品種的開發我想我們試驗單位會根據氣候變遷一些耐候性的這些品種那品種的推廣我們盡可能用推廣跟授權的方式處理那栽培技術的改良我們有農民學院還有非常多的這些說明會透過產交班來做溝通這個部分我想我們持續在做 |
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5816.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
對,他會認為說你補助的是機械。 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
5833.352 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
發言委員： |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
5849.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
5875.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
他們也會認為他們的生產成本就是業者就是那些基金業者的成本也相對的價格也會提高那造成他們成本的提高那現在又導致了我們可能我們需求不夠的情況下會導致他們沒有辦法獲得了一個就是說一個相當的收益啊是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
5876.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
5892.548 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
這個我想我們已經一直在集合就是說通常我們補助下去的時候農機區的價格就變高了就變稀釋了所以我們在前端的這些市售的價格我們會不斷的去集合跟滾動檢討不要因為我們補助50%結果它的整個售價也提高了40%那這樣的話對農民來講也是一種負擔 |
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5920.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
所以這個部分我想我們會來努力盡量去結合相關的事項的部分。 這個問題很大。我知道。 這個問題是在於我們今天在審預算我們都一直在協助農業部的預算。 是。但是我們希望說農業部的不管是科技的發展等等的都可以協助農民但是 |
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5920.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
發言委員： |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
5941.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
5965.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
當然我們知道公務人員有公務人員應有的法則但是在於災損的申報重寬重延重檢這個部分目前在基層的確沒有辦法達到那這個部分農業部也需要來檢討怎麼樣子簡化流程目前的確流程沒有達到大幅度的簡化 |
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| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
我跟您報告應該在這個月底應該在11月底的時候我們會把新的天然災害救助辦法重新更新那有一部分就是我們過往比較大的災害農業部都會有主動公告在這次四個颱風就已經呈現它很快速的可是相對的我們也發現說當農業部主動公告的越快的時候那地方政府就用喊的就是希望中央總安公告理論上來講 |
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農業部不可能面對所有的限制每一個品項所以後續的整個公告的程序我們會來做簡化 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
6035.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
然後做更大的一個彈性的處理才能夠達到從寬的這個跟重塑的這個態度。從目前看來的確沒有辦法達到。就是大家都沒有辦法按照說天然災害的辦法重塑重建。特別是彰化、雲林、嘉義、台南它面積比較大的時候公所的人力不夠的時候造成它的速度會變慢。 |
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6036.529 |
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6051.657 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
對 這個部分 這應該也不是公所的那個就是當農民申報的時候你們對於到底是不是補助的範圍因為有時候有耕期的問題你們也沒有辦法 沒有公告就確定他申請以後就去現勘了 |
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6081.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
對所以這個部分我想我們現看的人力的需求是現在目前最大的一個瓶頸啦那我們會看看天然災害救助辦法裡面有沒有辦法看看用什麼樣的方法來解決包括用天氣參數不要去現看用天氣參數直接判定那這樣的話就節省我們現看的人力喔好那還有喔像你你在推台灣的鮮乳標章喔是那我想要知道你現在推的怎麼樣 |
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6083.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
6112.183 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
我想從現在目前開始有一個那個CS本身還有一個TGAP的部分那這個標章我們會鏈接到產交履歷的部分所以我們現在目前應該在那個保久乳的部分我們現在已經開始在處理這個CS的部分CS的部分還有產交履歷的部分那我們希望說透過產交履歷透過CS或TGAP的認證標章讓我們的消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
6112.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
6115.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
為什麼從包周入開始?為什麼先入不行? |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
6116.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
6120.321 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
新的標章嗎?對,已經7月以後就設計過了。新的,已經貼在鮮乳標章了。已經改了。就是台灣的鮮乳標章。所以經過這個新的標章認證的就是台灣鮮乳。對對。那未來是連保酒乳也要同樣認證,是不是?也要認證,是這樣子的。 |
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6144.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
6166.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
我想要知道的是現在食藥署對於這個臺灣鮮乳的標章的看法是怎麼樣?他不是對臺灣鮮乳標章是沒問題他是針對進口的長效鮮乳有沒有那個名稱他們有疑慮他們專家會議此不同的意見我們是希望說他用長效乳 |
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6167.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
6191.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
好,不要先制,但是他們是覺得應該用長效先爐。所以他們還是不認為,他們還是需要保留先爐這個部分,是不是?對,所以因為這是衛福部他們專家會議的決定,但是我想我們還是持續的堅持我們的立場。好,那我還有一個意見,就是我們2025年傳統豬瘟是不是有可能會拔針? |
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6193.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
6198.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
臺灣的傳統豬瘟,你們已經提出申請了是不是?有沒有提出申請?那有沒有可能發針?絕對我們應該是非常樂觀以對,如果國內這段時間不會再發生絕對沒問題。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
6230.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
好,那我希望說你們可以非常嚴謹的處理這件事情,因為這牽涉到我們稻草要輸往日本的規定,是不是?一個關鍵,一個關鍵,是。對,因為稻草是我們臺灣農民在生產稻米的這個農廢碼,那未來如果...應該是生理制裁。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
6249.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
對,如果未來可以變成一個資材,然後變成一個可賣的產品的時候,到時候會能夠銷往日本,是不是?是。我們還是會跟檢疫,對方的檢疫談。好,半分鐘。不要再按鈴了。 |
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6257.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
6284.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
是不是所以我們這個兩個是有聯動的那這也會協助農民減少我們這個剩餘資產然後能夠把它變成可賣那也可以增加農民的收益對不對那你應該要想辦法增加農民的收益嘛那你不能夠都不增加他的收益然後就要提高他生產成本他們怎麼可以接受是不是好謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
6307.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
好,謝謝謝文委員。來,部長請回座。為謝委員精確的掌握時間,著實令人敬佩。足堪本會之楷模。待會我們鄭天才委員諮詢之後,我們會稍事休息。休息時間待會再宣布。下位諮詢請張綺楷委員。 |
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6331.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
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請農業部陳部長委員長今天草野立委都在問你這個宣傳費用的問題你知道前幾天周院長有在說嗎不允許這個宣傳會過度集中的標案你知道嗎對不對了解了解嘛其實剛才草野立委也問你這個嘛也我看我這調的資料 |
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我看你今年3、4、5、6這幾個月你這個宣傳費所有的這個標案都集中在幾個電視台啊三立從什麼用科技翻轉產業的養兒人重新出發農業專期的這個推廣三立、三立、三立、民視、民視、年代、年代、年代到後面都是中華、中華現在我們台灣電視台很多啊 |
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臺北市、東森、台市、中市?東森也有啊。我跟委員報告,我們今年整個宣傳會大概有8家的媒體進來。所以我們並沒有集中說在一家、兩家的部分。什麼三位跟六位都是這四間?沒有。 |
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你是議員要請教就對了是不是?沒有,我們今年度就有8家了,那不同的月份它根據不同的主題我相信會有不同的電視台或是媒體有興趣嘛。所以這個部分我想我們講說集中這兩個字對我來講8家其實應該是夠廣了啦。 |
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八家裡面還是沒有TBS跟東森啊?有啊!有東森啊!有東森有中森啊!那TBS也不是拒絕往來戶啦!對我來講不是!不是啦!對!那你今年八家沒有,再想一下!還有幾間很好啊?中市中天啊!環宇啊! |
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我想我剛才也說過就是說針對媒體的部分我們也會針對我們政策宣導的目的就如同委員所提到我們的廣度要夠那廣度夠的話我們會去了解不同的媒體的他的社群對象是什麼我們盡量開拓這個廣度以這個角度來思考我懂你的意思現在就是說我現在主要的主要就是市場嘛 |
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那過度集中這個就是違反左院長講的啦你現在還有背景嘛對不對那我更進一步要求你你剛講的我跟你共識是一樣的我們多廣一點好不好包括TPS可能想一下好不好或者其他一些優質媒體寰宇啦這一些好來那另外我們來談內容現在來看內容那個來我們看一下這個柏丁你看左邊這一張圖你有看過這張圖嗎我看過你有看過 |
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這是你農業部長一個單位做的這樣這一張在最近的農村流傳的很廣很多農民來抗議我先跟你討論一下右邊是我做的左邊是你做的啦左邊這一張你可以做你要做宣傳我覺得OK可是它有很多的地方真的是有汙名化供糧收購都跟我同感這樣你說短期內糧價上漲面積會增加面積增加你看右邊這一張 |
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你在100年的時候調了3塊錢,它隔一年面積增加多少?才0.7公頃。再往後面一年也是0.8,有像你說的面積增加很多嗎?沒有對不對?第二個,你這個文宣品為什麼會是引起農民那麼多抗議?你要嘛你就每一個年度都有啊,你從民國99年100年,結果你一下跳到103,那一下又跳107, |
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發言委員： |
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我們有一個共識就是慢慢來嘛我現在給你看的就是100年調高那一次大概3年3年都還是很低好OK那3年事實上不是因為公糧收購啦你只要乘起重費要去推了一個叫做倒坐直接給付嗎? |
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你這個土裡面最嚴重的農民是要抗疫最多的就陳其中在105年的時候開始在試行這個所謂的這個直接擠布的時候他導致去種的人增多嘛這個跟宮廷說過已經沒有關係了可是你把他扣在這邊你看看你看這個圖我右邊給你框起來105年到106到107他為什麼本來已經降下來了對不對他為什麼又跑上去 |
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就是因為有陳其中這個新的這個措施啊那你後來發現不對陳其中後來把這個取消掉啦結果你都沒有把陳其中做的到座直接起步這個事情把它解釋清楚 |
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農民跟工人收購不就是被黑鍋了嗎?是不是這樣?我想不是這樣子的齁。所有的稻作的價格跟稻作的面積基本上就是一個供需的部分。然後最重要的就是產地價格。你看以今年來講,現在目前的產地價格已經達到百台金已經一千兩百。 |
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部長,所以你是不是忽略了那個105年開始? |
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市辦106年開始擴大,然後107年前面實施的倒座直接給付。你有看到嗎?所有的波動都是在那幾年啊。你看你看你左邊你先出去的圖,你看喔。你看左下角這個,他的這個公糧收購這個量啊,本來你調高之後,慢慢慢慢,可是他成長很慢喔。一下飆很高,到54萬公噸、57、56。你整年出什麼事?就陳其頌的這個... |
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到時候直接起步阿那你再看喔往上面看往上面看你說開始一般的這個糧價開始往下掉對不對也是那幾年阿 |
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所以你先：我先說你先回去研究這個我都研究過我們研究得非常清楚了你從你這張圖你也可以看得出來當你面積提高的時候價格就降低對所以我們現在是希望一個合理的價格是在24萬公頃阿董說面積為什麼會增加就是因為陳其中給了一個沒有這裡有時候還有停灌還有很多天災的關係性影響所以沒有辦法所以我們在這個處理的時候我們絕對不會把單一因素放進去 |
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所以你從這個圖看得出來,增加的面積沒有像你講的那麼多。 有到27啊。 |
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公糧收購那時候影響已經很低了那時候是因為農業部陳其仲做了一個倒坐直接集會那你說不是單一OK我同意你要把整個整體去談可是你不能完全歸罪在這個公糧收購對不對 |
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好不好 這個再研究一下啦 這張圖我跟你講 這張圖是很多專家、很多農民 我了解 我跟委員報告齁 我也不是把所有的面積提高歸最在公糧的價格提高 我也沒有這樣講說百分之百就是公糧提高 我們的目標是讓我們的稻農所得大家都能夠 |
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我今天提出這個質詢是我希望你要看得到到時候直接幾乎這個影響。 |
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發言委員：發言委員： |
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6869.992 |
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| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
發言委員： |
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6884.144 |
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媒體在問說現在目前的雞蛋的行情一下高一下低是不是要農業部啟動聯合稽查嘛那我的回應是說 |
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當它的起伏有超出異常的時候,我們會啟動聯絡基查,而且要有證據的時候我們就會聯絡基查。 |
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好,我們在鄭天才委員之後,我們會休息齁。下一位資訊請鄭天才委員。請農業部陳部長。委員好。 |
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就去推動這個工糧收購能夠調高好我們看這個這一次康瑞颱風造成義理鎮鹽城部落的房屋整個房子你看被淹滿被淹滿 |
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表示這個土石流之多非常的嚴重 |
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您看這個,這個比較高一點的也被淹埋了一半以上,一半以上。比較低的部分就整個一被淹埋了,這個舊的房子。所以它這個被淹埋得非常非常的嚴重。所以像這樣的一個情形,這個不曉得我們農業部有沒有去了解這個地方?有,我想我們這個部分,土著類的部分我們有去了解,而且有給予協助。 |
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因為委員有在關心,特別我們也欣賞看。我們後續再跟委員說明。另外就是在豐濱港口,這次也是崗位颱風造成土石。 |
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發言委員： |
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7070.387 |
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7097.862 |
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海水溝上面大石頭等於堵住造成土石從旁邊還好家戶沒有造成人員的傷亡所以這個部分是也請農業部 這個也有處理我想我們也有經費有跟公所那邊聯絡來做經費的一個協助 好謝謝你也把書面資料提供 |
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好,我們現在談預算。這個114年度的預算,我是舉兩個案例,我們就以這個農村發展及水土保持署作為案例。你看我們那個整體性治山防災的預算,其中這裡面提到, |
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這個整個預算是45億多,其中投注在原住民族地區5億1000多萬,45億裡面有5億多投注在原住民族地區。 |
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我們看這個大規模崩塌及不安定土砂防撿災。這裡面投入在原住民族第7的有一億多的經費。這樣的一個處理、寫法到農業部或是水利所各或是水保署的相關機關可能不是很清楚。 |
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過去一開始經濟部水利署對於那個自來水的無自來水的一個處理一開始他們也是用原住民族地區我後來建議他們要以原住民族部落為基礎後來他們才了解原住民族地區是什麼呢?譬如說整個花蓮縣都是原住民族地區 |
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花蓮市是原住民族第7、吉安鄉是原住民族第7事實上原住民的人口、原住民的部落都集中在某個地方部落是不同的所以不能以原住民族第7作為一個範圍來去計算原住民相關的經費要以什麼呢? |
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要以原住民族基本法第二條要以部落是中央人民會所核定的部落所核定的部落作為一個來去計算或者是有涉及到譬如說這個涉及到家戶或個人為核心的也可以所以我們看這個農業部相關的這些預算包括主計單位必須要去了解 |
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農田水利快意整合、整體性防災、加強水庫集水期治理計劃、國有林治理五億多。 |
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農地重劃期基礎建設8100萬還有國庫補充到農田水利事業的基金3000多萬類似像這樣的農村再生建設及發展計畫農村三村綠色2.35億 |
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農田水利設施6點多億這個都必須但我建議放在我們原住民部落更好所以我的建議是預算書的自用說明就把它改為原住民族部落這樣的話會更符合實際的需求 |
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我跟委員報告改這個變成部落我絕對同意但是它不是重點重點是當不管是原住民部落或是因為整個現在那個土石流或大規模崩塌都在山區那山區的話不管它是不是屬於原住民部落我們會根據它的潛勢溪流本身的風險 |
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發言委員： |
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基本上啊,農業部的大部分會跟原住民族的部落會有關係了。但是不是全部。幾個例子,譬如說這個河仁、蘇花公路那個河仁到崇德這個之間,有一部分是我們的部落,有很大部分不是我們的部落。所以這個部分,你說全部要把它算進去也不太好。所以這個部分是一個跟那個農業部以及相關的屬,做一個溝通。好,我們看這個, |
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發言委員： |
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| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
發言委員：發言委員 |
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發言委員： |
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我跟委員報告齁這個是發言縣政府在執行的案子那我想我們農業部也不認同用這種方式應該其他還有其他改善的更細緻的作為去清除啦那這個部分我想我們會跟縣政府來討論不只是他們啦因為你們現在是屬地主義啊有的是你們嘛齁 |
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| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
發言委員： |
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7489.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
7490.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
有時候車手比較少。 |
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現在還沒有呀,拋不起來了。 |
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來,現在繼續開會。下一位之員請陳超明委員。首先謝謝各位。那有請我們農業部陳部長。請農業部陳部長。 |
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委員長好、部長好、部長好。我第一個問題跟你請教,不然我拜託會很多。我看你公共建設裡面有農產品兩年物流,你113年34.73億,到114年16.42億,你一次減20億。我每次執行你說苗栗要兩年物流, |
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你告訴我不會缺席,我信心實質,但是我看到預算的時候,我又開始睡不著覺了。這個到底有沒有啦,你要告訴我一下。我跟委員報告,第一點就是說,114年度的部分,我們是114到117,那整個大計畫大概將近有71億左右。那這個部分,行政院還在審查。 |
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但是他先編列了114那114的部分是最主要是處理那個之前還在興建的這個部分然後第二個部分就是有一部分的畜牧的部分有移出來 |
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我們已經在審查,審查通過的話,我們一定會想辦法去爭取預算去自印。 |
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阿我廟的管省府有的這兩年有的開一頁這個土地,要把這個做好,阿你說審查你盡量盡事,阿我同過好不好?對,我說114到117國安會正在審查我們的整體的一個經費,已經審查過的時候,我們經費的編列我只要聽你說有跟沒有,阿你告訴我有,我才會效果出來。這事情不是說 |
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還有一些前提就是說行政院要核定這個經費以後我們才會處理嘛。合定下來就是苗栗縣一定有啦。苗栗縣本身的審查計畫通過以後才會執行嘛。所以兩個前提要決定。農糧署市長你代表好好拜託啊。我已經拜託你十幾次了跟他溝通而已啊。這樣而已啊。給我加油一下。好啊。好,謝謝。再來啊,某地方我很擔心一個問題。 |
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我實在講,我發覺,我們說我們臺灣的農業很強,我覺得農業非常的脆弱,我為這個事情是給你們一個警惕,你講斑斑有先人,我們現在要加入CPTPP,我們是以前開發中的國家, |
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變成已開發的國家,你一個鮮乳,為紐西蘭進口鮮乳一百,因為我早就處理這個問題,我才知道。現在零關稅來,你現在一個鮮乳就搞到我們台灣整個鮮乳業變動那麼大。 |
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現在紐西蘭領先者還有其他的國家有很多先者在我們加日CPTPP我們以最高的水準我們跟日本一樣跟新加坡一樣跟美國一樣跟加拿大一樣全面開發農產品的進口你要如何運用 |
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外國委員報告就是加入CPTPP以後其實一個非常大的挑戰就是關稅的問題對那關稅的問題有立即降稅的有一些有他的時間點降稅的那雖然說以CPTPP本身現在的平均關稅率大概96%但是也有一些國家是例外的他的關稅不一定都是零關稅他有的是 |
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像日本就是70幾而已。我現在這叫做全消散,還你鍛鍊身體,你保管物流保管才好。你班班有先人,我再教你一個絕招。你不要只有靠同一,像黑松哪裡都有經銷商,只要他有冷凍庫,你再補一點錢給他送到學校,每一個人幾個瑕疵一塊就該關了。不要死守那幾個祭典賽。 |
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我感謝委員的建議。那我們在下一次的那個學校的學童的宣禮的部分,我們會有更好的更精進的方式。兩個原則。 |
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委員我告訴你喔未來我們在推動那個學童乳的部分有兩個原則第一個原則就是說我不會再讓我們的學校的老師造成任何的負擔那學校的老師 |
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再來啊齁 |
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你這個科技發展只有50億我看了一些資料今天昨天的報紙說農業科技我們的種苗、疫苗各方面就是等於晶片一樣 |
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我常常在看你們的科專計畫裡面,我覺得很難找,你要農業做好,我們就像胸片一樣,要有很好的品種、很好的異種出來。但是到這裡,我早就跟你們說,把你們科研的計畫理念,有好的新的產品,不要緊張,問題還沒問到。 |
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我常常看,你大公,噢,臺灣的農業行為,但臺灣又選到產品,我又不贊我肯定選到產品。 |
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我自己怎麼說這個問題,你們的風鈴我大概五本雜誌我一定要看,風鈴還有什麼農場椅什麼還有茶葉桌,這多看多擺地形,那你們有這麼好的研發,你應該要收取出來讓我們去了解,這裡這麼多禮物在哪裡,不像我在政科。 |
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因為我一直在看這些有沒有新的東西,看烏閣蜘蛛繩,如果你海邊把它種下來,那整個景觀不一樣,價值又高。你只用水供,沒有拿一些資料展現你們科技的研發成果。你們的成功研驗,你們的農業實驗所、林業實驗所、醫業實驗所那麼多,我就不知道你們在做什麼。 |
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我向委員報告,這點我們也在檢討,就是我們的臺灣的90%以上的研發成果都是我們試驗單位提供的可是他們的宣導我是覺得說沒有一些系統性的宣導讓農民知道,那這個部分我想我們會來努力由科技市這邊來主責。 |
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我感謝你很好,我有開始,我自己看了幾本雜誌,我還買以前的。我的詩繪裡面只有把這些紅蓮、農業的雜誌我自己都喜歡出。我們每一集都可以送給委員看。每一集都可以送給委員。每一集都可以看,因為看了可以再多寫,多新的。是。去炒賭也有本錢。我告訴你這是借的,好不好?好。再來一項問題比較嚴重。我們的農業金庫董事長有沒有來?沒有。 |
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我們有農金署的署長有來。好。講到這個問題就很敏感。您進口蛋的時候,就是超支阿。阿你農業金庫,齁,都中酒齁,這個... |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
8517.714 |
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中央市產會農政十五頁,不管多少,你先聽我說,你不要自己辯排,7.5億有擔保,7.5億沒有擔保,沒有擔保你這樣處理,你們都沒人講話,還是講家對講家,講家好辦事情,隨便通融都可以。 |
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我向委員報告,這個農業金庫的一個融資貸款的部分,它一定合於相關的規定。那它的擔保的部分由農信保這邊來擔保。報告主席延長兩分鐘,拜託一下。那大概一分半好了。不是一分半,都一分鐘而已。我現在請教你,你農業金庫換工股的,你占了41.62%。 |
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農業部37.59、農業信保基約4.03、Gaia 41.6但是換農業會的體系是58.33現在農業金庫的五席獨立董事由於農業部指派我們推薦 |
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這當然是法規的問題,跟現在的同儲分配款相關,誰當家、誰當錢,又有錢又有錢都不想放,但是你是還在出生的。我覺得農業基金庫的獨立董事,你也要 |
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民間的股份你也要尊重。你知道嗎?現在公司法跟證券交易法,裡面有股票超過1%就有資格推薦這個獨立董事。阿你現在泛民股50倍的 |
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沒有一點推薦的權利。我曉得這時代的背景,看你有沒有大作為。你如果這樣子去溫泉的換農業,那個換農業會體系將五十八%你也要留三個兩個人才有監督的作用。 |
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因為時間的關係,我跟委員報告,我們會後是不是再跟委員做充分的說明。好,這個改進一下,要有社會公平的觀念。我想我們會跟委員做充分的說明。兩分鐘到底你怎麼站起來,不是要給我嗎?你以為我問這樣敏感的問題你就跳出來啊。這個問題我也想了解,這個也一起來跟我講一下。 |
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這問題很重要,我也想了解。你也想問啊,問短一點,你要繼續的問,繼續的追,謝謝。繼續關心。謝謝陳昌平委員,謝謝。部長請回座。下一位質詢請楊瓊英委員。謝謝主席,邀請部長。請陳部長。 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
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委員長部長我們討論一個國際民生的議題美國勞動部在10月5號發布最新同工及強迫勞動製品清單再度將台灣遠洋漁業列入你看到這個訊息嗎有 |
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那怎麼辦?為什麼會發生這個事情?第三度為什麼?我跟委員說明齁就是其實勞動部本身就是美國勞動部那邊齁其實在近年度有來臺灣齁做一些瞭解那實際上經過他們的瞭解他們也確認了其實我們有非常大的努力了特別是但他一樣給我們這麼公佈啊沒有那我們怎麼應對呢?我想第一個請教 |
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你是台灣遠洋漁業季2020年又首度上榜耶!第三次遭受獵民耶!是怎麼回事啊?是真的假的?我跟委員報告齁,就是說第一個就是說他們的勞動條件的部分齁,他們是希望說我們的遠洋移工的部分 |
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發言委員： |
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愚民在愚上的作業的勞動條件我們做了很大的改善第二個他的生活的條件的部分當他下船了以後我們給他有更多的一些自由的空間部長你現在所說的跟他跟你講的都完全不搭嘎他告訴你說外籍移工遭仲介不實工資契約來欺騙 |
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被迫簽了仲介費、簽下了借貸契約、悲哉的龐大的債務,而且他的身份證被扣留,然後每天在18到22小時惡劣的環境工作,遭受到肢體暴力跟言語的凌辱。 |
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甚至他的薪資跟住宿數費呢也都被非法的扣除他講的這些到底是真的還假的啦你不要只講你自己人家提煉這些我給委員報告第一個部分就是有關於仲介相關的費用的部分因為我們遠洋漁工是境外僱用境外解僱都是在境外的對方國那邊在出名的 |
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所以我們在這邊所以我們現在透過外管的部分齁我們希望說有更好的那他所列的幫我們列這二名他講的屬不屬實沒有本期就很分開啊到底是真的假的嗎他是有一些誤會齁他是有一些誤會你有沒有澄清 |
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我們有澄清的部分,我們在他來臺灣的時候我們也澄清,我們之前在發布之前我們就已經已經經過非常多次的會議跟溝通,10月5號他發布了這個之後所講的內容你認為有不實,你有沒有發出澄清? |
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我跟委員報告齁我們也跟AIT的部分因為AIT的部分我們黃市長也親自有沒有發出澄清如果依照他敘述的這個真的是很恐怖我們應該有一些新聞稿在處理這是很恐怖欸 |
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所以我再一次請調因為我們現在臺美21世紀的這個貿易倡議正在談判談判到勞動專章這個是我們的機會如果他講的是不屬實我們要強制抵制強制抗議啊怎麼可以隨便跟我們列明如果萬一是有我們也要有我們的因應方案啊你不能臭名這樣子一直三次被列啊 |
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我需要檢討的部分。 那你叫我們遠洋漁業那些人怎麼辦?對,我都需要那個檢討的部分,我們已經在檢討,但是有一個非常重要的就是他們一直希望我們遠洋漁工納入我們的牢記法可是在我們的實務上因為我們是境外僱用境外解僱我們所有的那個勞檢的部分衛生安全的部分是沒有辦法跟國內的牢記法在一起但是我們確定了我們用同樣的精神但是我們用其他的方式去 |
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| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
非營業部分：農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業 |
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9005.874 |
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非營業部分：農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業 |
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| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
非營業部分：農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利 |
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| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
這個送到學校如果沒有冷藏庫半個小時之後就要倒掉所以學校也沒有辦法那老師也雞飛狗跳那現在竟然搞了一個最後討論了最後誰不負責教育部也不負責農業部也不負責到底誰要負責說那由學校你自行去決定你要不要現在還是如此嗎 |
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現在誰決定我學校沒有冷藏庫我也不敢說我不要啊還有叫學生一次帶八瓶的薄酒乳薄酒乳跟我們的鮮乳一樣嗎帶了八瓶的薄酒乳回去給誰喝啊你可以這樣子亂花錢嗎這個有幫助到我們的落農嗎那現在誰決定為什麼要限學校的校長於不義沒有人敢說不要 |
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發了薄酒乳這怎麼回事啊這麼多錢亂花我跟委員報告齁就是學校在這段時間特別是老師在協助的部分我們非常感謝但是在整個的整個的一個學校訂購的部分齁薄酒乳的確高於鮮乳他跟現在目前當然啊我沒有冷藏庫我當然要薄酒乳啊不要在內行的公寡行為啦要怎麼辦啊我們後續我想我們要不要這個政策要不要持續 |
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這個政策一定會持續。好不容易我們找到4年44億要幫助我們的弱農幫助我們的孩子搞得這樣子。我先謝謝委員那委員也提供一些意見就是說我們基本上不會再用今年像現在目前的共同供應契約現在怎麼做?我們後續我們會再去更謹慎的考慮兩個前提我們新的政策絕對不會讓學校的老師增加負擔一定會送到班上去第二個部分就是誰送? |
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就是我們會用其他的方式包括用我們現在的團散的方式去搭配去合作啦對就是合作的部分你看我們為了校園安全我們拜託便利商店學校旁邊有便利商店他們都有主機我說你加碼鏡頭對著我們的學校有什麼事情我們可以馬上調這個資料就有了人家都很願意耶 |
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你部長應該去研擬方案不管你談戰也好不管你什麼方案什麼時候可以研擬方案出來我想我們在這個月底會跟行政院報告報告完以後我們就會這個月底你這個研擬方案絕對不能再打擾我們的這個學校那真正的目的是要照顧我們的農農這個是目的好再來 |
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蘭姨豬扣關我們國內的國產豬肉競爭好不容易當時的農委會現在的農業部我們4年的養豬白益養基金輔導我請教部長你到現在今年剩下51億128.3億4年你剩下51億但是還是有很多人排隊申請不到 |
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為什麼當時你們的128億多你們一定有去針對我們的量體需求那你現在甚至今年上午是1億接下來要怎麼做我申請一堆的人在那排隊照著你的程序在走怎麼辦 |
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9260.327 |
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你現在告訴我兩個原則第一個也就是你目前所做的 |
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你持續在爭取預算。第二個,人家已經申請的,你是務必要讓人家達證成功。對不對?我們計劃核定的話,我們一定會想辦法讓它經費到位。這個我們一定會來努力。就是持續把它完成嘛。那為什麼你的128億當時,為什麼會落差那麼大?是錢亂花? |
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還是怎麼回事呢?還是挪用到其他的地方去?本席具體覺得邏輯很奇怪。我跟委員報告喔,128億的百億基金是專款專用,不能移到別的地方去。對啊,那為什麼會落差那麼大呢? |
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9328.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
謝謝楊委員謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
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請我們召委、求助委員執行。阿董委員不耐煩,沒有關係啦。像我這個時間就是說延長兩分鐘再加一分鐘。謝謝陳沙明委員當主席是非常的公正、非常的客觀,令人敬佩。謝謝主席。有請農業部陳部長。 |
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9408.625 |
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第二問題請教川普上來之後我們央行楊金榮總裁對於這個川普執政之後可能會產生的國際經貿的變局他可能提出建議希望能夠加強加大對美國的採購他具體的建議是央行總裁 |
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9436.802 |
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那目前從美國進口到國內的農業產品有哪些項目?大概金額是多少錢?我跟委員報告齁,就是跟美國比較大眾的採購就是我們的飼料的玉米跟大豆。那這個部分我想我們每一年或是每隔年的時候我們就會組一個團。你說是飼料跟大豆?對,飼料玉米。未來有沒有可能已經增加稻米呢? |
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農業部有沒有擬定相關的因應方案會加強對美國農漁產品的採購?對,我們對農漁產品的採購基本上是我剛才說的是以我們國內所缺的飼料玉米跟大豆。未來會增加哪些品項?大概就是玉米那個力道會加強。 |
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那個是他們現在特別是玉米跟飼料玉米跟飼料他每年應該是3.7百億美金喔那個3.7 billion應該是37那現在從美國進口值你未來可能會增加到未來一年可能會增加到多少這個我們還我們現在還在還在做精算品價會不會增加 |
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從中國出口值的佔比 |
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9522.676 |
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逐年是降低,目前大概是10%左右,出口值也大概到5億多。未來有沒有可能繼續再調降?因為在中國生產,出口到中國的確是有很大的風險。 |
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9552.225 |
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是,我想中國市場當然我們不會放棄但是中國市場以外的高端市場是我們積極努力的一個目標那以過去3年,應該4年之間我們消亡中國以外的市場其實從38億美元變成43億美元分散市場我要講的是你從中國的佔比是從20降到10對不對,這很明顯但是到日本的出口值卻沒有明顯增加去美國的出口值也沒有明顯增加 |
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所以你要分散東協市場那增加幅度不高啦沒有 我們是分散所以每一個國家增加的幅度加起來我剛才說的已經比過去109年38億現在變成43億了足足增加了5億但是 overall 來看啦你們整體出口市場是衰退的狀況並沒有並沒有在網上在這個大幅度的提升我希望要拿出積極的作為把這個出口市場能夠大躍進大成長 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位 |
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9621.402 |
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農民退休基金及農業特別收入基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農業特別收入基金及農業特別收入基金及農業特別收入基金及農業特別收入基金及農業特別收入基金及農業特別收入基金及農業特別收入基金及農業特別收入基金及農業 |
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9656.638 |
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另外,養殖漁業振興二期計畫,這個我去看過好多次了,我想王署長也知道,現在這個部分,我們在永安是石斑魚生產基地,目前永安LNG的海水管線供水面積只有450公頃,那你這些計畫裡面,第二期的計畫能不能優先把永安做的第二期計畫推動要點,推動地點。 |
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對,我想我們之前也討論過就是永安那邊的那個海水供應系統我們會列為一個優先但是也會再跟高雄市政府這邊來討論現在最大的問題在哪裡?現在最大問題在哪裡?跟委員報告齁,現在LNG廠因為往後延伸會那個要加壓的問題來跟高雄市政府來討論積極好不好趕快把第二期的這個落實到永安因為還有大概750公頃還沒有列入這個範圍嗎? |
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是 那後續我們跟高雄市政委來討論來往後延伸的問題第三個問題想討論這個我們農地的生產如果以農戶來看廣義的農家跟主力農家他的所得有差距然後這個主力農家是大概目前有21.2萬戶但是這個只佔總體農家的不到三成但是他的收入高達七成五 |
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這部分你怎麼樣你如果這個生產規模越大他的這個獲益能力越強嘛這沒有問題嘛好這種情況之下我們現在農地租賃的主要依據民法跟第375減租這些相關的規範但是又面臨到農業勞動力老化跟規模化的經營的需求那農業部針對這個問題你們有沒有規劃今天更完善農地租賃的專法或者配套措施 |
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我想現在目前農業的租賃的部分最大的一個問題就是口頭約的部分那口頭約的部分最主要也是375減租的一個陰影所以我們現在建立了這個租賃的一個平台但是其實我們也檢討這個租賃平台效果並不是那麼好 |
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發言委員： |
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| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
9775.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
非營業部分： |
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9813.096 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．非營業部分．非農田水利事業作業基金及所屬單位預算部分．非營業部分．非農田水利事業作業基金及所屬單位預算部分 |
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9827.883 |
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9828.604 |
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你那個農損的部分 |
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我們每年讓天災這個極端氣候從2021到2023啦你們救助的比例大概就是每年天災農損的大概三成左右不到三成你是有一定的比例嗎我們現在目前救助是用他災損的百分之二十以上時間到齁那你這個我這個問題再用書面回答給我好謝謝 |
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我代理主席啊,那個部長給我再講一下,我榮奉以感,我看到榮奉以感,將近百億,我給你挨個3億、5億很困難,你覺得要再給我倒數幹什麼,不然他們常常請我來代理啦,謝謝。來你來。 |
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部長剛剛陳代理主席講的請農業部多加重視好謝謝陳昊平委員下一位資訊委員請賴玉瑞農委員好謝謝主席請陳部長請農業部陳部長前面兩位委員都講得很好我都給予認同並同我的一併支持 |
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| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
9956.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
部長,我先請教,上禮拜有問到濾烈溪的問題,現在雲林、雲林以南都淪陷了,這問題嚴重,上次有講到20萬支,我看到你們在接下來有4個年度,並非1.2億的經費,每年大概3000萬來做處理,部長接下來要怎麼做? |
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9967.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
我想第一個我會把經費再做一些調整第二個部分就是經費什麼調整我想現在目前編列的部分大概是他是跟還有一些那個叫做 |
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| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
9998.719 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
埃及聖環本身的一些經費我們可以做調整埃及聖環本身的這些獵捕的這些動作其實可以複製在濾烈器的部分那相對的埃及聖環本身它有一組團隊用獵槍的方式去處理那濾烈器的部分現在是沒有所以未來我們會組一個團隊所以會朝向用空氣槍的方式 |
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10000.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
10023.608 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
有沒有一個目標啊?因為你四年每年三千萬這樣子其實第一年最重要的其實要趕快嚇阻下來如果你二十萬只是要慢慢漲到三十四十上去你越來越難處理了我現在就擔心的就是我們捕捉的數量遠比他繁殖的數量你一定要比他還要來得快他只會越來越多嘛有沒有預定這個量?對我現在先 |
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10024.088 |
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10053.042 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
不討論量,我先跟委員報告我們現在會用民間如果抓的話我們也給他獎勵這個獎勵金提高的話民間現在是大致500、小致200嗎?再加碼多少?比照嗎?我們可能會用變成500或800的方式變成500、800的方式去處理小致500、大致800對,用這樣的方式去處理加碼到小致500、大致800類似這樣子的概念,我們會精算預定可以達到多大的成效?量多少? |
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| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
10078.436 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
我們現在會協調縣市政府啦,因為過去這段時間...預定的目標咧,總要編的預算總要一個預定目標吧,20萬支...我們希望捕捉的那個支數可以逐年開始減少啦,對,因為現在...捕捉支數要增加,總體量要減少。對,所以我們每年捕捉的...有沒有一個預定的量? |
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10079.665 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
10089.603 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
必須要編出來找到一個目標值吧?我們希望4年內可以讓它壓縮到在這個高雄、屏東、以南那不能夠往北擴 |
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10091.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
10094.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
於明以來都已經淪陷了嘛,所以你應該每一個都要做,而且你不要只抓 |
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10113.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
10135.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
聽起來你好像屏東、高雄以南,那難道先放屏東、高雄,其他先抓?屏東、高雄現在也在抓。對,我跟你說,部長,這總體要數量要降下來。我希望看到有個具體的成果,比如說如果明年的目標先把10萬隻都抓下來的話,那你至少控制住了一半的數量了嘛。 |
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對我跟委員報告齁就是第一個部分就是各縣市我們一定讓他同步然後因為上禮拜開始我們密集的討論那到時候年度的目標我想我們會後等這個規劃出來以後我們再提供給委員當參考要加快那個速度啦你後面越賞越多你越難處理啦你前面如果有辦法在明年度把他控制比如說控制到10萬支甚至10萬以下的數量的話那你至少取得一個出息很大的一個成功你後面的控制就更好控制嘛 |
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瞭解我想我們會查這個目標來做加碼然後用更專業的方式去捕捉然後用人道的方式來做處理我認為這是一個好的方法我希望加大力道然後一定要統籌啦要不然你這邊抓完那邊跑這邊抓那邊跑縣市間沒有統籌的話由部會間然後由農業部來加碼來做處理我認為是個有效我期盼明年好不好至少降一半好不好 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：非營業部分：非營業部分：非營業部分：非營業部分：非營業部分：非營業部分：非營業部分： |
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因為前面黃色的大概在12月初大概陸續都會出來了啦應該影響是不大那應該現在看比較大的大概在會在1月的上旬、中旬的時候發生嘛對不對大概年就是年前的部分啦過年前開始如果量過大的話有可能會出現那時候但是就不會再做我還是希望加強做宣導跟說明好不好對我們會來強調那特別是我們在做警示的時候的育苗場我們現在想辦法控制苗量的出貨啦 |
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所以其實那個應該是說苗量超過一定以上告訴你你這些苗將來如果你虧損我是不服服你的。前面如果在前面出的應該那些還是要去...我們針對前端的這些疫苗檔出貨的部分我想我們會更想到一個方法 |
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我例如說你們要再更細緻去規劃出來這會後再給我要更細緻就是前面的你還是會幫他負起一些責任但是如果已經超過了我告訴你不能再種了你還硬要種硬要去拼的話那我就不負責那一塊了政策上應該是這樣比較公平吧後續的育苗廠如果你繼續出貨的話我們也不給他補助任何的育苗對就是要用這樣的方式啦我已經警告你超量的你還硬要再種的這些我就不負責了我也不補了 |
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公平性公平性公平性公平性公平性公平性公平性公平性公平性公平性公平性 |
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現在目前齁其實龍虎幫過去齁大部分都是銷中國大陸但是這幾年來齁其實內銷的部...國內的使用的部分也增加了最主要目的就是以前都是整隻在吃現在很多切片的部分那銷往其他國家的還有嗎?美國的部分其實也在推 |
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除了石斑魚之外其實包括虱目魚包括吳郭魚包括鱸魚包括 |
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我希望這幾個魚種都是很好的養殖魚種也都很好的競爭力我希望都持續的推出去好不好 |
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讓漁民有更好的收益我剛講這幾個都是很好的漁種大家認為是最好吃的養殖漁種所以我認為應該努力的推出去走向世界你看那個我們到比例持續都還得到三星高雄的虱目魚我認為就不斷的行銷不斷走出去才能達到最好的一個效果再來最後問一下過去基金其實也辦過由於秋刀魚都是石斑魚虱目魚都是高雄的五寶 |
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那魷魚過去在2015、2016都有辦過魷魚節部長可不可以再來支持臺灣魷魚節固定在期間來舉辦我想我們一定支持齁特別是一些魷魚的部分還有鮪魚的部分它在高頻的疫區有沒有它年度的那個那個所謂的活動的部分會帶領一些明年六月一樣是魷魚的高峰期回來的時候啦能不能每年固定六月來期間辦魷魚節好不好部長可以嗎可以可以來全力支持好不好明年等六月一起來辦好不好 |
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主席,我想請陳部長農業部陳部長 |
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部長午安應該還沒有那麼久還可以啦部長我今天想要質詢你有關於這個農業金庫獨立董事派任的這個議題您認為因為農業金庫有重要的政策任務所以現在不適合變更選任制度但本席想要請教您農業金庫的股權結構現在是什麼樣子 |
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農業部本身大概有將近37、38左右那民股的部分大概是50幾所謂民股就是農漁會體系將近六成都是農漁會的錢那農漁會的錢是誰的錢呢?就是農民跟漁民的錢所以農業部加農業信用保證基金就是飯工補股 |
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我想齁 |
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這就是本席要告訴你的。 |
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你們只有40%的股權卻占了三分之二實習的董事董事長也是農業部指派而有六成股權的農漁會 |
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農業部在農業金庫根本就是有權無責不可以不顧股東的權益為什麼不顧股東權益呢?你知道農業金庫現在的損益是如何嗎? |
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農業部沒有農業金庫基本上我所知道的部分大概今年是虧損54億是54億虧損累累但六成股權的農運會卻根本沒有辦法在農業金庫的董事會中出聲那最近的一個例子就是中央續產會向農業金庫借了10億買雞蛋 |
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請問續償會有擔保嗎?我想由中央那個農信保來擔保,然後他現在...農信保只有保5億,所以是有5億沒有擔保的,你等於左手通右手。我跟委員報告齁,15億不是借的不還的,他現在已經剩下3年多...中央續償會沒有任何的擔保,僅靠農信保就成... |
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農業金庫搬了10億這個過程是誰同意的?是誰同意的?就是農業金庫的董事會同意的董事會裡面有三分之二實習的董事是你農業部指派的 |
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所以你說的這個我知道但是過程有瑕疵啊他可以不用擔保就可以搬錢出去他今天是還了那如果他不還呢農業部要幫他還嗎所以你說的政策目標就是方便這些團體從農業金庫搬錢嗎 |
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是不是?這些錢有六成都是全國農民的錢那誰可以把關?你可以負責嗎?假設他閉環你可以負責嗎?你身為農業部長你覺得這跟誰負責沒有關係?中央續產會買單的事情已經成為弊案了 |
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你也是被告被傳訊了續產會也有人被交保如果這是一個正常的董事會發現一間公司還沒有成立就可以拿到農業部的單子他們不會覺得有問題嗎?現在農業金庫之所以可以沒有擔保把10億借給續產會問題就出在農業金庫的董事結構 |
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根本沒有人可以在董事會裡面起到監督制衡的作用。部長,你覺得有人可以在董事會裡面幫我們的農民監督嗎?我在講,我在講,農業金庫裡面剛才你講的五席董事全部都是農業部提名。 |
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農業金庫有它的相關農業金融法： |
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所以我現在就建議你我不是只要罵你我也不是只要criticize你我現在是要告訴你說本席認為要讓農業金庫走向正軌應該要依公司法第192之1條的規定 |
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讓持有已發行股份總數比例以上股份的股東可以用書面向公司提出讀懂候選人名單而不是用農業部一把抓這樣才能夠保障股東的權益落實公司治理你自己仔細看啊農業金庫它不是一般公開的公司它是依農業金融法它是一個特別法農業金庫存在的目的就是要支持農漁 |
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這個農民榆木體系的金融穩定那部長你說他有獨特的政策性任務所以獨董需要由農業部推薦這根本就是錯誤的命題嘛那請問台肥公司是不是也有重要的政策任務 |
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臺北市一個公開發行或是公開發行的不一樣這兩個不一樣臺北市港開發行不一樣這兩個是不一樣的你再去問一下經濟部部長、郭部長你去請教他一下嘛中小企營跟農業金庫也是一樣啊他飯工股又有將近30拍啊但是他也是疫情公開發行的 |
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只要有一攤以上的股份的股東就有這個獨立董事的提名權所以你的說法是不正確的嘛所以我要求農業部就這個農業金庫獨立董事 |
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可以如同台肥或中小企業一般回到公司法的規定,那你可以調整嗎?你願意調整嗎?你也可以修改嗎?你願意修改嗎?為了簽署 |
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農業金庫具有政策上的金融支持的目的。我的問題就是你包括你之前想要提名的董事長。 |
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農業金庫現在的運作到底有什麼樣的問題嗎?你還在講什麼政策目標?你在講什麼政策目標?我的意思就是說,如果你有站在農民的角色的話,你就可以把獨島的這個利... |
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部長請回座。 |
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議員議員議員議員議員 |
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好 謝謝 下位諮詢請李玉玲委員謝謝主席 請陳部長 請農業部陳部長部長 |
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農業金庫的運作 |
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農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及 |
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發言委員：發言委員： |
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部長你能看到到我們希望農業金庫運作的更好在這方面可不可以支持來做一個修正我跟委員報告我想我跟你都一樣我們都希望說農業金庫它有一個很正常的運作那現在它表面上它的虧損因為它本身是由地方農會轉存所以它的持股 |
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所以您知道是地方轉存上來58%所以是不是要給他們有監督為了58%的這個資金放到農業金庫不會被你們乾坤打挪移放到哪裡去我們都不知道他們是應該有可以監督的權益吧他們的權益不能被抹殺掉 |
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所以農業金庫它負擔的比較高的利率是給地方所以農業金庫它本身是是所謂的農會的信用部的上級的一個單位所以它負責一些相關的信用部的一個監督的部分所以他們一樣有上繳這些錢、存入這些錢58%所以部長不要忽略了他們的權利 |
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他們只是要有效的有角色的來監督你農業金庫的運作有沒有公平公開透明而且不會把那錢亂用出去一個很重要的就是農業金庫本身的經營管理團隊的好壞那是一個重要的部長你願不願意來承諾說你要做一個修正對這些58%的農業會才是公平的我們現在並沒有考慮去修正58%沒有權利提讀懂的話那你認為公平嗎我想 |
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讀懂的部分我農業部本身來推薦但是農業部在推薦的時候也會徵求各地方的意見所以相對的有沒有好處?我們也有所以在裡面有兩席就是農業會的部分所以我們也會所以就讓他們提嘛既然有兩席給他們就讓他們提嘛那不是說告訴你我要提這兩席就是這兩席不是這個態度啦所以部長我還有我的問題要問請你 |
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發言委員：發言委員： |
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我們都需要要穩定所以要被監督要被監督才會正常的運作好不好? |
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我們農業部有38%,可以加起來變42%,所以你不要說會災難,你要有誠意的、有態度的、一個要有魄力的,讓我們的讀懂是有專業性跟代表性的,好不好?你回去演繹,再來跟本席報告好不好? |
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| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
財政部長財政部長財政部長 |
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11321.384 |
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大陸的這個商務部啊又取消了臺灣34項的農漁產品這關稅的減免這就是讓我們農漁民的權益一再的被犧牲那現在的2023年大陸在4月的時候又宣布了這個貿易的限制要進行貿易壁壘的調查就是我國對大陸有2450 |
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| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
發言委員： |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
11365.396 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
11383.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
是不是?我跟委員報告齁就是我們縣市進口大陸本來830項因為稅責號列改變變成1077項那個1077項的一個限制最主要是去保障我們國內的農民的一個生產我知道要保障所以我希望部長你看到這個問題的時候你就要知道 |
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我們限制了他2455項1077項就是我們農業產品我們是不是可以盤整一下跟大陸的相關產品比較沒有競爭的比較沒有爭端的可以降低我們的這個爭端的話這些產品我們釋出善意給他開放這樣子的話我們的農業民才不會一再的受到犧牲這是我們一貫的態度我們可以盤整一下嗎我們可以一貫的態度沒有競爭的兩岸的部分齁 |
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| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
發言委員： |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
11432.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
11432.396 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
發言委員： |
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11451.02 |
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11467.051 |
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貿易創意已經在這個五月份在第二階段談判當中我們也希望說他可以合足我們進這個香腸肉鬆或者鳳梨這些產品在現在你們談的結果怎麼樣?第一個我要先跟委員報告就是說 |
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11468.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
11479.964 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
中國大陸暫停以後我們積極開發包括美國的市場那美國現在很多整個的一個大陸以外的外銷金從109年的48億我們現在就談美國部長 |
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美國還沒有開放牛內臟跟牛脊髓、美牛高風險的產品這部位所以它對我們這個談判一直從5月談到現在還沒有結果雖然部長你沒有正面回答5月到現在11月了將近半年的時間我要提醒部長是不能因為這個樣子而去開放要照顧到國人的健康 |
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11511.32 |
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| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
發言委員： |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
11541.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
11543.041 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
謝謝李昀造委精確掌握發言時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
11571.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
11574.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
來部長請回座謝謝下一位質詢請鍾嘉斌委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
11592.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
11611.071 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
主席、在場委員、先進、列席、總經理、市長、官員、會長、工作夥伴、媒體、記者、女士先生。有請我們陳部長、農糧署姚署長還有農田水利署蔡署長以及農業金融署的李署長李署長農業金融署 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
11612.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
11626.138 |
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發言委員,補充你好,有水這麼有殘啦,灌給石溪市農館啦,欠水的孫龍山,如何補充農民,我們來看齁,來請教一下齁,後期啊,我們政客常常在講啦,做事做事,越做越實,為什麼?為什麼做事做事,越做越實?有時候他的殘齁,紅頭水妹,紅頭水妹你說得太好了,我們看齁, |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
11640.256 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
11645.382 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
因爲農民看天吃飯,現在農民看天吃飯整天要不要做啊?對不對?那基金的契約都要做什麼樣的應用? |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
11652.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
11674.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
經營的不確定性、經營的風險愈來愈高。 我覺得很好。我們訪台的方法,就了了啦。 阿沒好水勒,是了了啦。 山陀河,我們屏東已經損失兩億啦。但是,三年前呢,我們屏東的大,沒好水,也損失兩億。請問齁,對於沒辦法控制我們的天候,我們可以數毫米薄嘛,靠酒酒、靠保險。 阿要怎麼讓農民和我們的收入,你要怎麼做? |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
11679.541 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
11690.088 |
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有兩個風險,一個風險就是說我們要想辦法用比較設施型的這些再別的方式。阿部長你都聽到我想要問你的,企業我們沒有改變,但是我們的農水路我們要去修建對不對? |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
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是。我們的農業的主宰,我們要補助給它運購對不對? |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
11691.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
是。所以說農業補助要做這兩項事情嘛。 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
11701.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
11702.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
農水到農業主宰給農民,會受到穩定增加嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
11702.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
11702.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
是不是? |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
11702.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
11704.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
是。好,來我們看一看。好,阿聖望你這個,是生有殘才有水,還是有水才有殘? |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
11714.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
11742.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
餐本來就在那裡,水一定要夠,餐才可以工作。不好意思啦,你有餐沒水喔,那餐就是什麼?就沒好東西了啦,對不對?所以說如果有什麼農民不想做,因為你沒灌白,我農地就沒辦法做農業事務嘛,我整個地方去做光電嘛,對不對?啊沒有啦,不然我就去拆地嘛,我每天怎樣?看電線、倒木頭、抽水嘛,是不是這樣?是。所以沒灌給用水就沒辦法經濟嘛,這是屬性嘛,經濟是不是要灌給用水?對。 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
11744.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
11744.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
發言委員：發言委員： |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
11764.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
11793.057 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
這個我們已經5.6萬,已經5.6萬,已經做到,這個已經做到啦。我好像沒在那五萬六千公頃內地的。我們逐年喔。 現在國土紀委發,國土紀委發有給我分說我的農地是有灌白沒灌白,給我分在農、農業、農利,有這樣分嗎?農業跟農利不是這樣分的齁?對啊,不是這樣分的嘛。我分作農業,叫我沒灌白,你要叫我怎麼做農?我們的優先齁,我們對,阿邦對農業的部分,我們的優先齁,去增加他的灌溉的渠道。所以說, |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
11796.944 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
我農民我本就農業,為就農利,我是在家裡單人館也會做來,還是我要去申請? |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
11800.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
11824.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
對於農業部來說,農一、農二都是我們要去照顧的基金,對,都要去做灌牌。農民現在請你請灌牌,你當時做得好,要多久?報告委員,我們有分長期跟短期,如果是他其中比較更做比較完整的地方,我們是用整個系統性來做,如果個別,我們給他每年每戶50萬元的這個設施相關的補助。所以灌牌是農民的農管,保證你要聽到最多,一項。 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
11829.439 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
關於農業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
11833.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
11855.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
我們說在土地上的土地、我們公共休息域完成前做農業用的水源是沒有在求土地借水,為什麼?我工廠、我老闆人我要找一個工廠的土地,但是沒得了,我工廠沒得開工,所以我繼續給他做農牧水源,你知不知道現在要求土地借水嗎?這種的不用求土地借水啦。 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
11856.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
11867.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
因為他做農業需要叫農婦嘛,農婦就沒有收嘛,所以說這第二條就是說政府還沒做到他公設的義務,人民我都運用第二,就要給他補充還是給他稅金的減免。所以農業設施、農田水利設施沒完畢,作業生、農民生產、收益,政府要有補充嗎?要沒有?好,謝謝。要有補充嗎? |
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11904.228 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
以你剛才提到的條例來著,其實政府應該更加強去做這個農水路的設施。好,最後兩題啦,說用息息不是人看施捨啦,農業部要提供農地表的建設是這樣嗎?要嗎?所以請你回去研究啦,農業息息不足,造型、農產不足,沒得收益,你是不是在息息完整之前要補充? |
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11910.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
拜託,保證回去研究一下可以嗎?這個可能需要一點時間,這個要全國的那個地區的盤點。 |
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好,下一位質詢請林俊憲委員好,謝謝主席本席邀請我們農業部陳部長農業部陳部長 |
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11955.725 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
11969.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
發言委員早部長今天來跟你探討一個問題這是我們台灣的藍輝我給你看這個照片這是今年二月今年二月二十三日在台南首辦的台灣國際藍展那個時候的賴清德總統他有去看不過二月他還要找一個大概就總統當選人的身份 |
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11997.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業 |
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12000.887 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
12019.934 |
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那時候賴總統在今年二月的時候致詞臺灣南展第十會選,他說什麼呢?他說,他當年做市長就有一個新聞,希望臺灣的南非可以像河南的郁金香一樣,真正做臺灣一個產業,可以養活更多臺灣人,讓南花成為臺灣在國際上可以代表的一種飾品。 |
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12042.396 |
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根據我們農業部統計,臺灣南瓜一年的產值有超過70億新台幣。所以我覺得農業部應該要重視南瓜的產業。這年有國際競爭,這年有臺灣特殊,而且它的產業季度現在已經很高了。但是其中南瓜最重要的在臺南的南瓜生機園區, |
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12079.268 |
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我發現他在衛街上根本在農業部裡面請問沒有人管理一點都得不到重視那裡農業部差不多大概在我們的農科園區管理管理的在下面大概你屬屏東這個地方是不是在屏東 |
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12104.221 |
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農業科技管理中心下面的農科園區管理﹖應該是4級單位﹖不只喔﹖我看這個這不是幾百級嗎﹖4級﹖4級單位﹖4級吧﹖4級單位 坦白講根本完全在資源上啦﹖或者是說如果國家要動作是一個未來重要發展的東西 我覺得第一個你要先提升 |
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蘭花園區的位階,它不會輸給任何一個有特色的產品。先這樣分析建議,我們應該像農街那樣,就是說蘭花生計園區,它可以合併在,我們有一個花卉所,對不對?我們把它合併,然後成為只屬於農業部的機關。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
農業特別收入基金及農民退休基金 |
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阿強委員在說的也是我們的一些想法就是說蘭花園區不能只是產業自生自滅的一個園區它需要一些技術的導入所以我記得在去年的時候好像也有委員有一個主決議附帶決議的部分就是希望我們去研議就是把蘭花園區跟我們試驗單位的相關的單位做整併那這個整併其實我們也先提了一個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：非營業部分： |
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去跟那個行政院爭取經費這是經費的部分現在問題就是說組織面的部分其實如果說照委員所講的蘭花園區結合農事所的話會分鎖的話它不會增加市級單位對阿這樣的話我想我們會來努力啦因為這樣的方式齁才能夠讓我們的園區能夠轉型跟升級第一個也不會讓你的組織變大啦對喔對你喔 |
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12221.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：農田水利事業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業 |
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12240.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
12255.32 |
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來部長回座下一位執行委員請牛許廷委員謝謝主席部長有請請陳部長 |
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12280.175 |
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委員好部長我要繼續追這個查開場的這個問題這2021年這個農委會以中南部產業產量大增推廣觀光旅遊等等理由編了12億元的經費打算把本來位在桃園市陽梅區的查開場的總廠南遷預計要遷到嘉義那當然嘛這對桃園來講那當然就很受傷嘛 |
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12284.219 |
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發言委員： |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
12304.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
12323.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
但是我要問的是後面的事情啊就是說總廠雖然保留但是他的業務只維持茶農指導的這一部分那麼有關於這個食農教育啊工廠啊技術研發等等喔這還是會難移喔那如果只留輔導但是其他的業務功能難移那請問他叫雙總廠還有意義嗎部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
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我第一個我以農業部部長的身份跟委員報告他絕對不會說只有一個福島的部分在桃園的部分因為茶葉的改良第一個是品種育成那有不同的品種像南部會著重在高山茶那北部的話可能有些包種的部分可能所以品種不一樣 |
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第二個就是食農教育的部分也絕對不是南部才需要食農教育。大家都要做嘛。所以這個部分也會都會去做。然後輔導的部分因為你的品種不一樣你的輔導系統。輔導其實是每個分廠都要做的事嘛。雙種廠的概念是我提出來的。所以我會去落實這個雙種廠本身不會把這個經費調到南部去造成他的經費缺乏。我想這個部分委員可以放心。 |
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好 這本席還是要把這個話講清楚喔 這有兩個問題啦就是說如果沒有辦法落實所謂雙總廠的精神的話第一個問題是我北部長期以來在農改這個總廠服務的這些不管在技術研發也好或是說對嘛這個我想我們一定會注意你這樣子難移之後對於你的員額有沒有什麼影響你會因為南部要增加總廠本席不反對但我的意思是說你有沒有增加員額還是說你要把北部的人往南部調我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
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發言委員： |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
12425.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
12449.949 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
那這個部分也要請委員來支持這是另外一個案子我現在簡直第一個問題是怕人才流失的問題因為有很多基層的員工反映說如果要搬到南部他可能就換到其他農業業務去嘛我們會尊重他的意願我們會尊重他的意願你尊重他的意願他可能對茶葉等等他其實是很有專業的那你會這樣流失其實是農業部的損失嘛對不對也沒有辦法適材適所這是一個問題所以你今天南部如果要加研發業務你要新增一些人手這不反對 |
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但你不要用調動的方式來處理不要去剝奪桃園本來的業務跟人力免得造成區域對立啦好不好一定是尊重現職員工的意願好第二個是區域平衡的問題啦就是說以前大家都其實長久以來從在探討經濟的時候就問說北部都以工商業為主南部以農業為主對不對那其實喔這個其實是一個刻板印象嘛其實應該都要平衡嘛每個地方該有什麼樣的產業都要有嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
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所以說如果資源你剛有提到資源不會移轉但如果資源真的不幸移轉放掉北部其實你實質上都會造成北部的滅農啦這個不應該是中央的政策態度嘛對不對絕對不會這樣絕對不會嘛對不對所以經濟作物的競爭力品質技術其實才應該是北部地區適合北部地區農業發展重點的項目啦 |
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所以我是希望北部查改總廠第一個總廠一定要保留第二個相關的研發業務以及等等他應該也要保留啦不要只是留一個名字而已,可以嗎?不會這個詳細的緣額的調度報告等等還有你相關的一些安排是不是會後提供一個資料給本席做參考?可以好,謝謝好,謝謝牛許廷委員部長請坐因為我們委員黃孟楷已經到現場我們中午不休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
12523.61 |
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委員長開會時間到諮詢結束。下一位諮詢請洪孟凱委員。總農業部陳部長。 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
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部長幾個部分快速再跟您做個確認第一就是本席當然有關注到這個綠烈溪的狀況那它是外來走它從南部現在好像說已經悄悄也有是往中部走所以說雲林線往中北部了是啊那現在的狀況到底我們什麼時候要成立這個專責小組能夠來去針對綠烈溪來打擊我想我們在原來的系統是由地方政府可是我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
12573.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
12573.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
所以這個禮拜內會同步啟動? |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
12613.773 |
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我們還要跟他們開會以後去確定他們時間,月底之前一定可以,這個月底。然後第二個部分就是相對的這些獵捕團隊本身,我們會用那個...因為現在我們有看到台南,他說那個獵捕的費用已經用完了,所以說還發公文說請獵人不要獵。 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
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12638.864 |
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對,那有人就講說這會不會有空窗期?不會,我想我們會跟簽字政府講,他們如果帶電,我們一定會補助。是,所以中央會有預算,請各縣市政府在專案小組成立之後。沒有上限,這個沒有上限。第三個就是說,除了列補的工具,我們也要去協調。是,現在有看到有空氣槍。對,我們希望都,以前太保守了。是。所以我們現在用更積極的方式,最後就是說, |
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12639.784 |
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12654.705 |
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民眾齁我覺得民眾參與的時候列補到的那個獎金有沒有我們也會適度的把它提高用這樣的方式我們希望說短期之內等等但是我再確認一下民眾一般民眾可以去列補綠綠西嗎沒有那個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
12655.586 |
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對,然後有獎勵齁。 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
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12698.411 |
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那我希望用那個小蛙半載欄以前在除的時候就是一公斤幹幾塊錢嘛,我會希望說適度的開放民眾去劣補的時候,所以這些辦法都會在月底前會出來?對,我們會把它處理掉。月底前會出來這些辦法?我希望說整個的辦法會完整的出來,然後再跟委員報告。好,那最後我請教,這樣子一個濾劣溪它沒有天敵嗎?另外我們能不能用生態的平衡去做來做一個控管?以我們了解好像沒什麼天敵,我不知道。 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
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12712.367 |
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他確實,所以他是一個很強勢的外來種,是不是?所以而且他繁殖速度很快,所以說部長既然這樣子我們就一定要注意,因為縣市以前縣市單打獨鬥,但是他現在已經是慢慢擴散。 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
發言委員： |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
12731.445 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
12752.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
我真的不了解說到底我們農業部或是教育部怎麼會一個利益良善的政策要讓學童有高鈣有鈣質可以吸收但是現在有人講說關鍵是全國統一的那個鮮奶的採購標案忽略各地方的自主性跟特殊性所以如果說各縣市自主招標 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
發言員： |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
12769.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
12796.298 |
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在現在目前的供農供應契約裡面有的學校本身他還在猶豫因為跟學生家長有的要訂保久乳、鮮乳的部分嘛那一直沒有辦法下訂那的確我覺得農業部必須承認的就是我們的產能的確不夠就像院長所說的就是我們當初的政策規劃的時候有些疏失那這些疏失我想我們現在的目標就是說讓學校盡量能夠喝得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
12796.778 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
12821.313 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
那後續的這些新的方法兩個前提一個就是不會再讓學校的老師有任何的負擔那現在他們的負擔我們非常感謝然後第二個部分也讓縣市政府有能夠自主參與的這些機制那這樣的機制的話就會讓讓現在的方式有所改變是部長我只因為主席站起來了我也很尊重主席這個嚴格控管時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
12822.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
12848.462 |
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第一線我們所有的國小、國中的老師跟校長他們怎麼講?他真的就講是說不知道為什麼農業部、教育部沒有看到他們的辛苦,好像以為他們平常都沒有事做。而頒布這樣的一個政策真的是讓大家真的叫苦連天啊。所以該檢討改進的部分請一定要...是,謝謝。好,謝謝侯孟凱委員,還有部長先回座。 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
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12864.841 |
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臨大夫臨大夫臨大夫不在賴斯堡賴斯堡賴斯堡不在羅賓才羅賓才羅賓才不在顏寬恆顏寬恆顏寬恆不在陳冠霖陳冠霖陳冠霖不在何欣淳何欣淳何欣淳不在吳立下一位執行請吳立華委員吳立華在 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
12878.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
12879.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
謝謝主席 有請部長請農業部陳部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
12888.716 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
12911.616 |
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來委員長部長好您辛苦了我在10月9號的時候我有問到就是關於高山農業未來的發展我們需要有一些些的水保鬆綁那只要用這種傳統農業的方式那當時部長謝謝您您有態度了表態支持未來在國土計劃法下 |
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| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
發言委員： |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
12928.729 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
12955.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
本法第22條所稱山坡地的超限利用因為我們現在的農業動不動就會動到所謂的超限利用那下面有說但不包括依區域計劃法編定為農牧用地或依都市計劃法國家公園法及其他依法得為農漁牧之懇職經營或使用所以我要特別請教一下這個及其他依法得為 |
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這個未來如果國土計畫法上路原住民圖管規則也通過那是不是可以來適用 |
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我想跟委員做這樣的一個說明就是在新的國土計畫裡面包括國土保育區、農業發展區還有成家發展區我先講在農業發展區的有可能跟原民部落有關的是在農山的部分那這個部分如果說他後續我想農業部會更積極的去輔導 |
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現在問題比較大的是在國保區裡面的部分那國保區裡面的部分如果他本來就是從事農業的時候我們會確保他可以繼續從事農業但是他如果要新增的時候可能因為國保區重新的定義就沒有辦法所以在農產的部分我們可以協助來看看用什麼方式能夠讓他更具合法性 |
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| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
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那如果在原住民族圖管規則裡面針對國保的部分如果有做這樣的一些例外規定呢? |
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這個可能就不是農業部自己一個部會能夠處理的但是我會把這個議題我會把這個議題我會表達這樣的一個方式好 謝謝部長那另外就是我在10月17號的時候我也有問到其實在原基法下有一個原民會的原住民傳統生物多樣性知識保護條例但是有點慚愧都已經滿20年了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
發言委員： |
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13065.163 |
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13090.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
因為在這個草案裡面第4條他有提到傳統生物知識的認定由本會、會商、中央農業主管機關為之所以認定可能原民會沒有這個能力必須要由農業部參與我也知道農業部其實之前叫保種中心在去年的8月叫做農業部升格之後的生物多樣性研究所我也看了一個預算 |
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| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
發言委員： |
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13113.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
13141.662 |
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我跟委員報告齁您剛才所提到生物多樣性研究所的研究其實它反而跟原民部落本身的這些植物的研究反而沒有那麼緊密的反而是我們試驗單位我們的改良廠包括以花蓮廠為中心的這個部分那這個部分我們有一個相關的這些原住民的所謂的早為原利跟原利再現的這個計畫這個計畫裡面我所知道大概是八千萬到一億一年喔 |
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有這樣的一個經費,那我覺得這樣的一個經費我們可以把相關的傳統生物的多樣性的知識認定把它當作一個工作項目去處理就可以。那原民會那邊我也會積極的請他們催促他們快一點。希望農業部給予支持好不好?會,我們會。 |
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主席不好意思我還有一個問題就是關於那個露營場的設置因為有很多很多的紛擾就是中央跟地方政府不同調部會跟部會之間不同調那很多我就舉一個簡單的例子這個露營相關設施外場地應符合現況使用所以這個外就很麻煩了我這邊有一個圖 |
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13185.724 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
發言委員： |
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13207.227 |
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13235.285 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
那最後就是我們林保署這邊我要特別謝謝因為我處理過的像山地門城谷一頭木那個山地村的舊組居地振化邊返還林保署很幫忙那在濁西那邊有個大分山屋即便上去要8到10天林務局也很幫忙齁那也都有成功的案例但是因為我們手上案子很多所以我還是需要林保署這個地方來跟我們做一個延商說明可以嗎部長 |
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13242.427 |
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致間請同仁跟到您辦公室去討論好謝謝謝謝部長也謝謝主席謝謝吳立法委員部長回座下回質詢請張雅琳委員謝謝主席我們有請部長請農業部的陳部長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
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部長好,今天我還是想要來請教有關於我們這個生物多樣性的問題就是在112年我們中央政府總預算案的審核報告其實裡面有提到提到有關於我們這個生物多樣性的部分他是這樣講就是90年的時候合定的生物多樣性推動方案永續會並成立生物多樣性工作分組由農業部擔任幕僚機關協調統籌推動我國生物多樣性的工作 |
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次金滾動修正我國推動生物多樣性之策略與計畫為截至113年3月31日止我國生物多樣性永續發展行動計畫於106年配合永續會組織架構以解除劣管所以現在是沒有機關來統籌管規劃及管考政府推動生物多樣性的執行情況 |
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也就無從了解我國生物多樣性工作的全貌那他其實是有建議就是請行政院研磨妥促並督促相關機關檢討改善但我想因為我們其實一直有follow這個昆明蒙特羅全球生物多樣性的一些公約那這個部分我們目前到底是怎麼樣去管考是不是應該有一個相關的組織來做這件事情呢我跟委員報告雖然說永續會解散但是相關的工作我們持續在做那詳細的情形我是不是可以請林保祖書長來說明 |
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好 我們簡單說明好嗎 謝謝好 發言委員 我們現在正在研擬就是所謂NBCEP國家生活端性策略那在年底應該就會草案出來我們還是會報從農業部這邊來報行政院 |
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所以接下來是林業署來做整個管考歸各部會嗎?還是只是一個草?我們也有在報行政院希望說可以就原本的那個在原本的氣候小組裡頭可以納入生物多樣性因為現在在國際上氣候的變遷跟生物多樣性是一起的所以我們也建議行政院到時候能夠考量在氣候小組納入生物多樣性 對 |
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好 了解那再來就是說我想部長也知道最近有一個非常轟轟烈烈的新聞就是台南的賽馬被遊蕩犬咬死了有非常多的馬匹死亡 |
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我想問一個問題就是說因為我們其實講生物多樣性其實跟野生動物的保育是非常非常的有關有關就是非常的有關連可是呢我看到我們第一個我們現在在農業部今年的預算裡面化解野生動物危害農業及冰危物種與人衝突經費時預算是跟上年度相同可是我們的遊蕩犬的數量明明就是增加的為什麼經費是一樣的這點我是很納悶 |
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委員 跟委員報告,我們現在處理那個流浪犬的預算,大概控制的預算大概會維持在4000萬左右,比去年增加大概一成。 |
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農田水利事業基金及農業特別收入基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業 |
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我們自己人對不到一萬喔這個落差非常大而且我們是持續的在增加而且這東西會造成不僅是最近的民權人車的衝突其中是非常多最近有新聞嘛就是有人為了閃遊蕩貓人就死了我想我們應該是要有更積極的策略來解決遊蕩貓我們是不是可以有一些相關的做法看國際上是怎麼去採用的去化解這些衝突的 |
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我想分兩個層次,第一個層次就是在前段的時候施主的責任包括進食餵養的部分我們會去加強但是委員所關心的這些後續的收容所的部分我們會更因為現在很多縣市想要做但是找不到地所以我們現在是要蓋所有的收容所收容所有的犬貓嗎?我們的策略是這樣嗎? |
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我們要加強它的週轉率就是說收容以後一段時間已經要去增揚因為其實我對於你們的這個週轉率要怎麼去因為其實要怎麼去執行我其實蠻納悶的啦我想我們會後來討論這個資訊落實這個週轉率的彈性跟監督管理品質 |
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您覺得這樣子的做法是﹖您的看法是什麼? |
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我覺得所有的動保相關的這些處理我們一定會跟警政單位來做一個協調那該處理我們還是會處理那我們也會跟動保團體做一些溝通啦因為這個蠻重要而不是無限上綱造成一些動保後面的一些議題更難處理我想我們會加強這部分 |
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對,我想就是說,我希望其實部長可以針對這個部分,因為其實警察去執法,因為確保我們的動保處可以捕抓這個遊蕩犬,我覺得這還是蠻重要的一件事情,因為就像光這一個禮拜就已經有這麼多的生命死去了,這是非常嚴重的一件事情。 |
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發言委員： |
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13651.8 |
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我們會來努力就是說動保跟野保的相關的知識跟相關的這些這些觀念的部分應該在課綱裡面從小就應該有一些課綱的處理我們會跟教育部來來看看怎麼樣那大概什麼時候我們可以有一個我想要跟跨部會討論可能需要一點時間但是我們可以透過相關的我們農業部的相關的推廣系統去跟學校來合作這個部分 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．非營業部分．非農業特別收入基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休 |
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| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
農業部陳部長 |
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部長,上次我跟你強調過漁業署的一個預算,那事實上我上次是講這個捕撈漁業,那現在講養殖漁業,那養殖漁業事實上是值得我們政府應該要投入更多預算,然後來 |
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對﹖ |
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總預算基本上做了一些工作包括漁電共生包括養殖專區包括供水系統其中供水系統我想我們在役主本來有要做一個浮流水然後去供給這個養殖讓他們有 |
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發言委員： |
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發言委員： |
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可以說明一下到底浮流水跟所謂的沼井取水有怎樣的不同?是不是可以說明一下?報告委員那個浮流水跟傳統講的這個地下水事實上是不一樣的因為它在這個含水層是不一樣的那麼基本上浮流水的取用是不會造成地層下陷以上簡單報告 |
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福流水不會嘛吼所以我現在是擔保歡樂啦歡樂說哇地方現在有一點是在在謠言吼不斷的擴散然後大家在那邊擔心這個福流水供應系統會對地方造成怎樣的影響所以我會覺得說一個進步的一個政策在推動可能一些說明的還是必要所以我想說這部分是不是漁業署這邊還是可以多下箱然後來跟地方來多一點的 |
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稍後我會要求與業主跟縣市政府一起合作,就是當他如果有誤解的時候會造成後面政策很難推動,特別是對浮流水的一些誤解。 |
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那這個部分我想我們會透過相關的座談會的方式,或者相關的這些專區的方式,把特定的一些漁民的部分的認知或是農民的部分有些認知不一樣的地方我們會加強宣導。對,我覺得這部分說明一下啦,因為我們推動浮流水本來就是為了要減少用傑水嘛,那你用傑水就真的會一人下線。 |
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我們用浮流水就是用新的水源來取代過去用井水照理這一個是一個進步的方向可是這樣的方向事實上鄉親有誤解所以我們盡快的人會來澄清那再下一個下一個就是說回到這個雜糧的部分那我們知道說現在玉米的價格跟烏鵝戰爭的時候的一個高價差不多到11塊現在玉米大概回到了 |
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發言員： |
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議員：議員： |
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不過我跟委員報告,當初要用脆米代替這些玉米的部分有一部分是因為COVID-19的關係它的那個傳孕不穩定造成我們國內的玉米量不足的時候的一個權宜措施啦那現在如果說玉米的一個供應穩定的時候大概就不會再用脆米的部分 |
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發言委員： |
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發言委員： |
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14070.951 |
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那所以我之前我有跟部長你提過我們現在有太多的河川工地河川工地在早期它有進展它大概都種植玉米因為它在二期的時候所以它在二期的時候那時候也都比較沒風態那它剛好那時候種植最大的好處就是由農民來管理這個河川工地然後讓河川工地它就不會發臭味臭味出來 |
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| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
發言委員： |
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14089.288 |
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14114.947 |
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看要怎麼來勾勒,所以部長這部分你們後續的決定是怎樣?我跟委員報告,因為委員一直在關心這,就是河川工地的部分,那我們上個禮拜已經做政策的討論,現在大概有一個大的方向是確定的方向,就是河川工地你如果領有租約的時候,我們會有適度的獎勵,但是這個獎勵的水平不能跟一般的土地有沒有一般的農地的獎勵水平是一樣的。 |
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因為當初在設計這個獎勵的時候有考慮到地租的問題啦。那相對的河川工地的地租是比較便宜的。所以我們會有一個比較好的一個設計。所以我們的獎勵不會完全比照一般的農地,但是我們會給予獎勵,但是我們會去設計他的金額。 |
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好,所以我覺得這件事趕快宣佈出來,因為像我們八千多個現在等那個水準,如果我們就收好,讓他們可以水,明年就可以讓農民上線,今年趕快處理好租約,然後明年就讓他們上線,就開始去那邊耕作了,這個東西起來,那等於是未來就不用在同樣的工作一直在那邊重複,好不好?好,了解。好,最後就三二變,我覺得剛剛亞林委員問了一個很重點的, |
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對,我們沿海地方,在鄉下地方這種野狗的一個狀況,事實上部長你說找不到地方,我都覺得說我們現在有那麼多在做漁電共生,在做還是說沿海地方正在做光電,那為什麼你那個光電你不能跟這個野狗的收容所就把它放在一起呢? |
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我們在收容所上面的屋頂型的我們是鼓勵的對就是說他本身的那個狗舍或是什麼他的屋頂型我們還是鼓勵的對阿如果是那一種那開放型的呢開開放型的就是你沒有屋頂阿那我們基本上喔我感覺這個可以討論喔就是說因為大部分都找不到地你就把旁邊用網子圍起來阿也是一樣可以讓他放在那裡 |
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對啦 這個我們來評估啦第二個就是說事實上你們應該要針對餵養流浪狗的人要開罰我一直希望說就是禁止在特定的區域禁止餵養應該有罰則啦沒有罰則就沒有用啦是啦是啦因為流浪狗很大的問題等於是有人餵養牠第二個如果是在養殖地區的話那個流浪狗自己會去抓魚那很厲害的 |
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謝謝蔡議員部長請回座 |
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14308.641 |
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聽到蔡議員的質詢如同長夜育明燈,育明可敬又可佩。來,下一位,馬文君,馬文君,馬文君不在。郭國文,郭國文,郭國文不在。岳元智,岳元智,岳元智不在。登記與發言委員除不在場之外,區域均已發言完畢,詢答結束。書面質詢以及位及答案部分請相關單位於一週內以書面答案並赴日本會。 |
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各位同仁,針對預算案如有修正都議或相關提案,其餘11月25日下午10之前,從經濟委員會辦公室一例後續會診,欲時不再收案。本日討論事項所列預算案詢答結束,令定期繼續進行審查。現在,散會。 |