| IVOD_ID |
16274 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16274 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-18T08:30:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-18T12:18:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:47:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/b41997f390c3528ef0f9f44450827e570fbe320b46af7546edb79b8bfb08e799b3637605411b44725ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案有關財政部賦稅署、臺北國稅局、高雄國稅局、北區國稅局及所屬、中區國稅局及所屬、南區國稅局及所屬、關務署及所屬、國有財產署及所屬歲出預算部分暨融資財源調度。（僅詢答）
【預算提案截止時間：11月25日（一）中午12時】） |
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完整會議 |
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向委員會報告請主任米蘇報告出席委員人數報告委員會出席委員已出法定人數現在開始開會因為主席陳立東委員他晚一點到所以9點到10點由我來代理主席那現在開始開會請議事人員宣讀上一次的會議議事錄 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議．事由．時間．中華民國113年11月13日星期三93分至13時50分．中華民國113年11月14日星期四91分至12時56分．地點．清仙樓九樓大禮堂11月13日．清仙樓101會議室11月14日．出席委員林德福等14人．列席委員黃國昌等34人．列席官員113年11月13日星期三財政部部長莊翠雲等． |
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113年11月14日 中央銀行總裁楊金隆、財政部部長莊翠雲、金融監督管理委員會主任委員彭金隆等、主席賴昭君委員（113年11月13日（針對本院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議（ |
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議案之審查程序嚴重違反立法院職權行使法、立法院議事規則等本次會議審查結果應屬無效且本次會議議事錄未依規定記載應不予確定提案人郭國文、賴慧妍、李坤成、吳秉瑞、吳麗華、王世堅表決結果贊成者少數本案不通過 |
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8事項宣讀第6次第7次會議議事錄決定議事錄確定討論事項依審查貨物稅條例11案1行政院函請審議本院臺灣民政黨黨團委員張志文等17人委員賴世保等26人委員蔡其桑等18人委員吳立華等19人委員陳冠廷等23人委員陳金蕙等16人委員賴慧媛等18人分別擬據貨稅條例第12條挑釁修正草案等9案2本院委員寬衡等16人擬據 |
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獲稅條例第12條及第12條之3條營修正查案本院委員郭國文等16人已據獲稅條例第12條及第12條之6條營修正查案審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案有關財政部及所屬單位稅率預算部分審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案有關財政部、國庫署、財政資訊中心稅出預算部分審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算、分營業部分有關財政部主管 |
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財務基金、中央政府財務基金、臺灣事項個案合併詢答。經臺灣民眾黨黨團代表黃珊珊委員、委員賴世寶、顏寬恆、陳金輝說明提案要旨。財政部部長莊卓盈分別就預算案及行政院提案報告並回應黨團委員法律提案後,藉由委員林德福等19人提出質詢,均經財政部部長莊卓盈等予以說明及答覆。委員蔡其章所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報, |
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並請相關部會議書面答覆．委員執行會及答覆．或請補充資訊．請相關部會議一週內書面答覆．委員密要求期限者從其鎖定。決議一、說明及詢答完畢二、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案有關財政部及所屬單位稅率預算部分財政部、國庫署、財政資訊中心稅數預算部分及附屬單位預算、分營業部分 |
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有關財政部主管債務基金、中央政府債務基金均另擇期繼續審查。3.審查貨物稅條例11案。審查結果。1.第12條條文照行政院提案通過。2.第12條之3及第12條之6條文均維持現行條文。2.本案全案審查完畢。偏案一具審查報告提報院會討論。院會討論前不需交由黨團協商。院會討論時由賴召集委員會員補充說明。4.各委員如果相關預算提案 |
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請於11月18日星期一中午12點以前送至財政委員會議事人員受見,通過臨時提案一案。113年11月14日,報告事項,邀請中央銀行楊總裁金榮、財政部莊部長翠雲、 |
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金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金融就美國新任總統的《貿易政策對臺灣經濟與金融穩定之可能影響與對策》進行專題報告並被質詢。談論事項一、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案行政稅率預算有關中央銀行股息紅利繳戶部分二、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分有關中央銀行含中央造幣廠、中央印製廠 |
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報告討論事項和平詢答經中央銀行總裁楊金隆財政部部長莊翠雲金隆監督管理委員會主任委員彭金隆提出報告後藉由委員林德福等19人提出質詢均經中央銀行總裁楊金隆等予以答覆決議一報告說明及詢答完畢二委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資訊請相關部會於一周內書面答覆委員另要求其見者從其鎖定三委員王志堅、何新淳、邱志偉所提書面質詢略略記錄刊登公報 |
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並請相關部會以書面答覆是審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案行政稅率預算有關中央銀行股息紅利腳庫部分及附屬單位營業附屬單位預算營業部分有關中央銀行含中央造幣廠、中央印製廠均另折及繼續審查五個委員如有相關預算提案請11月20日星期三中午12點以前送至財政委員會議事人員收件。訓斷完畢 |
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謝謝議事人員的選讀由於在場的委員沒有到達法庭人數我們議事錄暫時不確定等到其他委員到的時候我們再一併的確定那麼請議事人員選讀今日的議程 |
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討論事項,審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案有關財政部賦稅署、臺北國稅局、高雄國稅局、北區國稅局及所屬、中區國稅局及所屬、南區國稅局及所屬、關務署及所屬、國有財產署及所屬、稅率預算﹐稅出預算部分暨融資財源調度。（審查完畢謝謝,我們現在介紹在場的委員,吳秉樂委員 |
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在場的官員財政部的莊部長護稅署的宋署長會計處的李處長以及國庫署的陳署長和關務署的彭署長國有財政署的曾署長財政資訊中心的張主任以及北國的吳局長 |
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以及高雄國稅局的翁局長北區國稅局的李局長中區國稅局的樓局長南區國稅局的李局長行政院主計總處公務預算處的檢任視察李檢任視察好我們現在就請財政部的專務部長進行預算案的內容報告請 |
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主席各位委員先進大家早貴委員會今天審查114年度賦稅署還有五區國稅局及所屬以及關務署還有國有財產署及兩署的所屬歲出預算及融資財源的調度 |
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以下僅就各該機關稅出預算的編列情形以及融資財源的調度則要提出報告首先是負稅署編列了204億餘元主要是統一發票的給獎以及推行經費地方政府土增稅的短少補助還有地方政府移證稅的短少補助 |
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請參閱報告第一頁及附錄一臺北國稅局編列27億餘元主要是該局的中正分局辦公廳社取得計劃的經費還有人員維持基本還有基本行政經費請參閱第二頁及附錄二高雄國稅局是編列18億餘元主要是人員維持費以及基本行政經費請參閱第二頁到第三頁以及附錄三 |
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我們北區國稅局及所屬是編列了30億餘元主要是該局的盧竹基徵所、辦公廳社取得計劃的經費還有人員維持以及基本行政經費請參閱我們報告的第三頁及附錄式 |
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中區國稅局及所屬是編列了25億餘元主要是該局的東市基增所的辦公廳設新建經費還有人員維持費還有基本行政經費請參閱我們報告的第4頁以及附錄5在我們南區國稅局及所屬是編列了20億餘元主要是該局的東港基增所的辦公廳設新建計劃的經費 |
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以及人員維持費和基本行政經費請參與我們報告的第4頁到第5頁以及附錄6那麼關務署及所屬是編列了75億餘元主要是數位海關再造計劃臺中關第二貨櫃中西移檢站的軌道式貨櫃檢查儀的建置計劃以及基隆關 |
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的C16私貨倉庫的新建計劃經費請參閱我們報告的第5頁到第6頁以及附錄7國有財產署及所屬是編列了32億餘元主要包括了向海致敬的海岸清潔維護計劃還有被佔用國有非公用不動產加強清理第二期計劃的經費還有處理國有財產所需的稅捐請參閱第6頁到第7頁以及附錄8 |
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第二大部分是就融資財源調度的部分提出報告114年度中央政府總預算稅入編列的3兆1534億那麼稅出編列的是3兆1325億稅入稅出剩餘209億支應債務還本1415億還需要融資調度的數額是1206億那麼規劃移用以前年度的稅計剩餘500億 |
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那麼舉借債務是706億來做支應截至113年10月底中央政府所舉借的長期債務實際數是5,8780億那麼占前三年度明目GDP的平均數是26%到114年底中央政府長期債務餘額的預算數 |
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那麼依照公債法的規定是按照112年底抓政府長期債務餘額的實際數5兆8188億元聯同歷年特別預算融資調度的保留數2397億元再加上113年度還有114年度預計的債務舉借數 |
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我們在扣除債務償還數額後預估到114年底中央政府長期債務餘額是6到8098億元但是在這裡要特別說明的是113年度因為總預算的稅務執行良好我們原編列的舉借數並沒有舉借那麼到時候114年底中央政府長期債務餘額的預算數就會隨之減少 |
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那麼按照114年底中央長期債務餘額的預算數6兆8098億元來計算的話那麼也是佔前三年度的明目GDP的平均數是28.6百分比那麼也低於公債法所規定的債務存糧上限的40.6%而且比113年底預算數減少了 |
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1.1個百分點未來本部還是會持續的會同各機關來做開源節流那麼管控稅率稅出的差短減緩債務的累積維持財政的穩健以上報告敬請各位委員會議支持指教謝謝謝謝莊部長的報告那麼現在我們再介紹林德輔委員也在場 |
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現在出席委員已答可以確定意思錄請問兩位委員是不是意思錄可以確定好我們就意思錄確定我們要開始進行詢答先做以下的宣告每一位出席委員發言8分鐘必要時得延長2分鐘每一位列席委員發言時間5分鐘今天上午10點 |
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截止法院登記．現在依登記的順序．請登記第一位的林德武委員諮詢請。謝謝,謝謝主席。莊部長,是不是請財政部莊部長。那請財政部的莊部長進。 |
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委員長部長你好我請教因為內政部長劉世芳在內政委員會答詢時說新清安編列財源來自住宅基金而新清安政策是影響移轉動數重大的因素可能影響房價的升高劉部長表示要尊重主責的財政部 |
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那中央銀行的抗瓦內政部配合政策編列預算那我請問部長在新青安整個政策中財政部負責哪些區塊的業務跟委員報告有關新青安的推動事實上是主要是我們由八家公股行庫來主辦 |
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那因應這個因應這個央行升息為了減輕首購足的一個房屋的貸款的一個負擔所以我們的公股行庫是自行吸收辦碼是由我們行庫自行吸收那後來央行又在升息以後就由住宅基金來補貼這個 |
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深息的部分大概有一碼半的一個利息支出所以是這個部分是由住宅基金支出那另外有半碼是由公股行庫自行吸收這主要是這樣的一個情況那另外新金安這個清安貸款事實上從99年的時候就是由財政部來規劃以後推出的那在112年的8月的時候因為配合整個因為房價的一個調整以及協助 |
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沒有房屋的需要的自住的一個購屋需要所以推出了新清安主要是這樣子那我請問部長這些區塊業務的執行督導又分別是財政部的哪些單位或這個機關來負責這個業務主要是因為是供股行庫所以在部內是由國庫署來做督導那實際執行是在供股行庫那供股行庫在對於有關規範這個貸款的時候他必須按照 |
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央行還有金管會的相關所以及銀行公會的所有的規範來做核貸。部長對於外界質疑新清安政策的買賣移轉動數直接推升房價那我請問部長你認為新清安貸款是不是房價居高不下的元兇是嗎?房價變動或升上漲其實因素很多當然因為新清安的推出讓那個沒有房屋的他想要買房子的一個 |
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還有料整個上漲才推升它上漲的主要我說不是主要就是說因素很多因素包含這個預期心理包含原物料獲得工資等等它的成本上漲還有資金成本因素很多不是只有一個單一的因素 |
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那你認為政府有沒有必要我們針對這些來調整一些政策重新檢討新清安那個新清安整個貸款額度利息補貼以及補貼時程以便儘速讓過熱的房市冷卻下來你認為有沒有必要新清安推出以後第一個我們已經又在做了進一步的調整也就是在我們 |
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現於只貸一次應該是從9月吧9月開始就只現貸一次也就6月27日開始現貸一次也就是說你用了一次以後就不能再用你要珍惜使用這個新清安就是這個部分那另外呢也請公股航庫能夠加強的貸錢的審核強化貸錢審核以及貸後的管理第二個就新清安是幫助沒有自有住宅的人去買 |
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但是不能讓他買了以後就是想要去做投機投資所以只能限一次而且對於出租或用人頭戶加強檢核 |
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那部長第一波推出之後持續不斷至今已經到了第7波那我請問部長對於幾波下來的選擇性信用管制政策在回歸合理房價的效果上到底是民眾是有感還是無感呢?央行的一波一波推出有關所謂選擇性信用管制他也是看市場的一個整個情況來做事實的一個推出 |
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部長 |
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央行第7波管制措施媒體轉述對房產相關業者衝擊很大甚至於憂心恐怕殃及無辜所以央行提出一些排出性的條款那我請問部長第7波力道加大的信用管制措施你認為會不會有引發房貸市場斷頭潮的這些疑慮 |
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會不會對於央行第7波管制以後那個對於有些怕央級無辜央行也做了部分比如說繼承取得的或換屋的等等做了有一些比較 |
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對於財政部所屬的公股、航庫、房貸業務的推動會不會打折扣? |
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房貸業務其實第一個有銀行法72條之2的一個上限的規定那我們各個公股、行庫都必須要遵守除了這個30%這個限額之外呢他們自己也有一條警戒線是低於30%大概在28.5之間 |
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部長 |
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央行的楊總裁表示實施第7波選擇性的信用管制措施主要是看到房價一直上漲在之前央行也對國營的總量管制進行道德勸說剛剛陳如剛剛部長所提的銀行法第72條之2規範銀行所承作的土建農以及房貸業務總換款量不得超過存款 |
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和金融債券總額的百分之三十但八家公股行庫就有五家不動產換款的比例超過百分之二十八那我請問部長你認為公股行庫是不是黃價上漲推手之一?這樣子央郎之所以會有所謂道德勸說等等就是第一個是要穩定金融市場 |
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也就是說避免銀行的信用的資金過度的流向流向不動產那排擠到其他產業的需要所以希望各行庫要特別注意這一點那各個行庫呢因為銀行的道德勸說以及院長也提出來應該要做這個額度的控管也就是說對於需要的應該要優先帶給他比如說首購組織要優先帶給他 |
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那避免集中到過度集中在那個大額的一個承貸戶（但是本席認為說公股房屋負責政策目的又要經營獲利那我請問部長政府既是裁判又兼求援的身分難道不應該對政策執行所產生的一些瑕疵負責嗎?你認為呢?我想政策是因應時勢來做一些 |
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推出那當然也要因應時事來做一些調整或精進這都是需要的是部長財政部所屬供股行庫以經營不動場這個貸放獲利那金融業的這個營業稅稅收啊也歸財政部來課徵那我請問部長央行楊總裁有沒有對財政部進行道德勸說你認為有沒有 |
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他對財政部不是用我們不是我們彼此之間是都是政府團隊的議員大家彼此都應該要合作 |
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所以說在這個整個管制政策執行和公股行庫獲利以稅收考量下部長你認為能夠找得到平衡點嗎當然公股行庫不管做在金融業務上面都必須要遵守央行、金管會以及銀行公會所有的規範這是一定要做的部長114年度稅客收入編列2.77兆元創歷史的新高 |
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而且比113年度預算成長19.88%那我請問部長明年稅客收入的預算數字是不是一定能夠反映在明年整個經濟成長稅率上面成長率上面我們在編稅客收入的時候是有各種因素在討論那經濟成長是其中的一個參考因子當然還有其他稅制的調整以及各個稅務它的一個特性來做編列的 |
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換句話說若實在經濟成長上是不是代表明年景氣應該比今年會更好其實是財政部有沒有預估過明年第一季到第四季的整個景氣狀況 |
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根據主計總署的一個預算的推估明年的經濟成長率是3.26%這個是我們要參考的一數那至於明年的一個經濟我想委員你也很清楚國際政經情勢的變化是很快所以 |
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請吳秉立委員質詢 |
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主席麻煩請財政部莊部長莊部長來委員好部長這個這個11月5號美國總統大選嘛那現在是確定是川普當選那川普是共和黨的總統他除了 |
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當選總統之外共和黨在參眾兩院應該也都取得這個多數了所以這一次的選舉就以西方的媒體來講還是說向右轉是相當明顯的就是說以前的極端左派的這些政策可能都是會受到一些大幅的修正包括能源政策像川普現在 |
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選舉的時候就公開講說要讓美國的能源可以再開採不然美國就把頁岩油跟天然氣的開採都停掉了那這個世界大多數都是預測說這樣子油價會下跌 |
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另外一點就是他也要急得要結束這個地緣衝突所以地緣衝突下降低的或是停止的可能性都是有的這一些當然是一些外部的環境但是他的政策裡面其實有一部分很重要的就是供應鏈的重組 |
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因為他要把製造業再拉回美國所以他不是只有對台灣啦對全世界基本上他都是要加關稅10到20%那當然這個10到20%的最主要的目的就是說要讓製造業重回美國去生產那增加美國的就業機會那這一點不知道你的看法怎麼樣這一點是比我們台灣可以學習的接近因為 |
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在小英總統上台的2016年開始我們就推動回台投資計畫其實某一個角度來講也是要讓製造業重回台灣但是要重回台灣製造業重回台灣你要讓台灣有這樣子的環境跟基礎所以當時說啊這個水、電、土地、人才等等這些問題都通通要解決所以也是上一次我跟您請教的 |
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我們的政策如果要一致的時候是要不要考慮這一些電商低值劣等的商品2000元以下免關稅甚至免其他的稅金源源不斷的大量進來那一天我記得說一年是5500萬件嘛那5500萬件裡面的4000多萬件八成是2000塊以下那就是有4000多萬件的商品 |
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對臺灣的製造業不公平因為臺灣的製造業在這邊製造他要貨物稅他要營業稅還要一大堆的稅金這一些免稅進來臺灣的反而他的條件比在臺灣做製造業還要優惠 |
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這個樣子怎麼妥當呢所以這個當然不是說馬上要改變因為你有一大堆說什麼我們跟著國際走全球化現在已經在改變了我們的觀念要先改變現在是世界供應鏈重組喔是民主供應鏈川普要排除 |
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這一些流氓國家的製造業在世界上跟他貿易捏所以他對中國要課60%的關稅60%的關稅所有的學者都講課了60%的關稅其實就是停止跟你交易啦否則的話你怎麼受得了那你的東西沒有競爭力啊 |
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臺灣過去因為被中國打壓所以很多國際之間區域的貿易組織我們是沒有辦法參加的當然亞的RCEP我們也沒辦法參加但是這些區域組織裡面的國家之間的國際貿易 |
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他基本上稅比圈外的要低嘛所以我們台灣假設為什麼會有那麼多台商過去得跑去中國得跑去東南亞就我如果要做東南亞生意我在越南製造我在印尼製造我在這個圈子裡面的關稅是很低的但是我如果是台灣製造我要賣過去我的關稅比人家高啊所以我們自己要想說那我們如果營造這樣的環境 |
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所以現在的觀念是要注意是民主供應鏈重整那在這個供應鏈重整的過程中臺灣會有一些機會那當然也會有一些風險那我舉一個我們這個機會裡面我們已經在做而且急需要爭取的就是這個避免臺美之間的雙重剋稅的這個推動 |
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因為現在川普也要製造製造也要重回美國他也歡迎全世界其他國家的資金到美國投資啊那以這個為理由我們臺灣的資金到美國投資結果你美國要給我剋稅我臺灣自己也要剋稅那是雙重剋稅美國的財政部在10月29號有發布說雙方的財政部將於近期之內 |
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要對於臺美租稅協定相關的展開討論11月29到現在也半個多月了他說馬上就要進行開始進行了嗎 |
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根委員報告這個部分已經我們雙方都已經在聯繫然後敲日期也會會如期的舉行會進行討論對因為這個政策的轉變剛好是給我們一個機會如果他要吸引台灣的資金到美國去投資的話讓美國的製造業重新站穩腳跟的話他當然希望我們台灣當然希望說我們不要有這個雙重租稅的這個 |
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僅詢答．11月2 |
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臺灣的這個晶片這一些的貿易 |
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就是很重要的地方就是注意不能被中國變成用第三者來購買或是被他作為貿易轉口變成被他洗產地如果有這兩個狀況的話臺灣可能都會遭到美國很重大的打擊喔因為這個是未來川普政府會非常嚴肅認真面對的事情這個不知道你同不同意喔 |
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委員說得很適當外界的情勢變化的時候我們也應該要順勢推出相關的一些政策比如說川普在第一任的時候他的相關的關稅政策以及供應鏈的重組的一個變化所以台灣就順勢推出了投資台灣三大方案所以廠商在台擴大投資 |
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然後再加上COVID的時候我們的一些遠距的一個商機興起以及AI的新興應用的科技所以整個讓我們的經濟事實上比亞洲其他國家成長來得好也就是我們那個契機推出了這個方案那當然委員剛剛提到他新上任以後的關稅政策財政政策甚至移民政策等等的一個變化我們臺灣要怎麼樣的因應包括您提說的低價免稅這個要不要檢討討論的事這一點 |
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當然是我的建議我的看法但是如果我這個看法值得參考的話我希望你在行政院內部的會議溝通的時候提出有民意代表是這樣主張的 |
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因為美國也要針對這一塊啊這個中國對美國的這個低價的這個電商的包裹從1億4千萬增加到10億欸10億份所以美國現在財政部美國的海關也在針對這個東西在提出檢討那當然每一個國家的這個免稅的額度不一樣但是我們不能讓台灣的製造業就輸在起跑點上 |
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國有財產署委員長 |
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今年度就去年省今年的預算嘛是那時候的稅入113年稅入您的編列是247億是那明年度變成202億短少了45億什麼原因啊報告委員大家也知道因為現在政府在推動社會住宅那國產署已經提供了86公頃而且還準備了134公頃的土地要作為社會住宅 |
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以往這些土地我們都是拿來作為招標設定地上錢或標租但是以社會住宅優先的情況之下我必須要犧牲這些稅入的來源是好那這樣了解那雖然是少了因為我看那個比例相當大所以來跟你請教那如果是這樣的政策我們支持尤其在土地售價收入的部分我們會減了很多好謝謝你那加油好謝謝 |
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3973.996 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝吳秉瑞來繼續來賴世保賴委員來謝謝主席即刻先進有請財政部的莊部長莊部長委員好部長好齁這個 |
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4022.803 |
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明年的金融營業稅是不是確定不會再撥入那個RTC的準備金呢?是不是確定?對,因為那個營業稅本已經到今年底落日,所以不會進入這個金融業特別準備金。就是金管會那邊期待的也落空了。那簡單的問題你就快速回答好了。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
娛樂稅、印花稅其實大家滿多的爭議大家不同的角度不同的看法這個你們說現在娛樂稅要把它減半最高減半但是授權地方政府對吧 |
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我們按照現在課政娛樂稅所訂的各個項目的有一個上限我們不一定是減半就有往下調有些項目有調大部分有調部分沒有調那是交給地方政府嗎對本來也是讓地方政府去訂稅那原來是訂的是上限我就問你一個問題你一直在講說地方稅不能廢啊印方稅什麼等等的那要不要乾脆這個稅就通通交給地方政府他們自己訂 |
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在稅法通責裡面就訂這個．委員上次也提議過但是我們在開會的時候各地方政府都不希望這樣子 |
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4081.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
4083.945 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
現在看到川普上來以後加密貨幣比特幣屏幕在漲國內都有很多人賺到錢我們就恭喜了 |
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4107.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
4115.779 |
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課稅問題啊加密貨幣的課稅問題五區五區國稅局要不要一起來講一下你們各區有沒有開始課這個稅有沒有 |
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| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
4136.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
國稅局局長來先請臺北國目前就是有跟我們金管會這邊登記的總共26家那他們都有來辦稅籍登記也有繳納營業稅跟營所稅 |
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| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
4139.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
已經課了多少? |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
4159.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
有嗎?個人有嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
4159.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
4165.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
你剛才說是銀索稅是那個交易所,是那個交易所,那個場合,個人比如說我去買了賣了,你有沒有扣我稅? |
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| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
4165.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
那個現在我... |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
4187.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
我們現在指的是那個那些營業的部分對嘛營業的部分你沒有講個人嘛我現在問你是個人就是我去那個營業交易場所那我賺了錢我要不要繳稅 |
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4191.684 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
4203.463 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
個人的部分目前我是沒有統計資料個人沒有交稅?應該是部長啊還有或者是署長要回答目前對這一塊是沒有交稅的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
4213.617 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
報告委員我們現在稅法的規定是這樣就是加密貨幣現在是因為它不是貨幣嘛所以它是數位化資產數位化資產買賣你聽我把這個念完根據所得稅法第14條第1項第7類的課徵還有課稅的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
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因為我們所得稅基本上是要自行申報那我們會加強查核 |
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| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
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因為現在是金管會那邊他要立專法,我們會整個配,但是我們現在也沒什麼東西,因為原則是他自己申報,如果他有短路報,我們要有一個管道。當然沒有,你不要扣稅,跟你申報,我們給你主動去繳稅,現在因為你沒有扣,你無所作為啊。 |
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我們估計還是有一些場合的工具可以運用的。你們要只針對那個場合,交易的場合課銀索稅,沒有對那個個人交易的賺的錢課稅,或者是說請教部長有沒有可能 |
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因為我們沒有課那個資本利得稅有沒有可能也就是課一筆個人的交易稅了事這所得稅太難了還是這個要課所得稅來來請教 |
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是跟委員報告我想既然第一個已經定性上他不是貨幣而是一個虛擬的資產是一個資產那他的交易他應該要課徵相關的貨意應該要課徵所得稅那接下來就是我們要怎麼樣去查核去做查核的部分那我想這個部分我們再來做一個研議好了什麼時候可以對於加密貨幣的個人 |
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或者是法人他們的獲利、課稅的整個辦法什麼時候可以出來?這個部分是不是給我們時間?三個月可以嗎? |
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3個月可以嗎?3個月可以嗎?我跟委員報告其實現在我們有從平台不知道方便講就是說我們有從其他的資料來源去查他的數位化商品交易的情形我們有目前有在查沒有我現在就問你啦3個月內可不可以提出一個加密貨幣的買賣所得課稅的一個辦法好那我們來研理 |
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3個月好不好3個月3個月那再來一個也是小的問題那個5屆國稅局長可以請回菲律賓已經開徵了12%數位服務稅針對Amazon、Netflix、Disney以及Google的母公司Alphabet臺灣這部分有沒有在考慮數位稅這個部分我們是不是請署長來做說明謝謝 |
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報告委員這所謂數位服務稅其實在OECD在過去很多歐盟國家有課後來他們就定位說在現在所謂Peter 1跟Peter 2出來之後希望各國不要再繼續課數位服務稅那台灣一直都不是課服務稅台灣課的是所得稅那我們所得稅它現在有所謂射算課稅的概念 |
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其實原則上誠實申報但如果你沒有就核實申報我應該講核實申報就賺多少報多少但如果你沒有辦法舉證我們是用射算所得來課稅那換算的結果其實就等於收入的某一個百分比來課稅 |
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那個百分比是多少?大概我們現在是大概售算的利潤率大概百分之三十左右百分之三十的多少?然後那個稅率大概我如果講那個營運事業的話大概就百分之二十所以大概就百分之六是百分之六是吧?對對對百分之六對因為菲律賓他刻的一個mindset他中心思想是說我刻了又扶持我相關的比較 |
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4483.661 |
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需要扶持的這些產業他是這樣的一個概念其他國家其實也都開始在課了你們去研究一下好我們再看下一個題目這個我想請教一下川普對全球課高關稅這個我們現在因應怎麼樣他給我們課10%以上目前來講我們是大概大概3%左右對台灣的關稅他如果課我們大家都保護主義那我們也課他可不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
4484.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
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美國美國進入台灣的我沒課稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
4489.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
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對於川普他在選舉期間所提的相關的一些政見那最後怎麼去到他就任以後什麼時間會去落實或者落實的一個程度其實我們認為這個部分還是需要觀察以及怎麼樣的一個應對那我想我們都會做一些可以不可以講說如果美國真的對我們的到美國去的產品課高關稅 |
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部長聽好了,我們不排除我們對美國課高關稅有沒有可能?這計畫可以成立嗎?我講我科技老,講不排除可以嗎?關稅基本上因為我們是WTO的會員國所以我們會按照我們當時在入會的時候的一些承諾的關稅稅率來課徵 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
4538.789 |
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所以你的意思是美國即便課我們高關稅我們也不敢做相對的回應喔是這個意思喔 |
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美國他是總統依照他的行政命令所刻的以比如說是國家安全法相關的法令去做的加徵關稅啦他是一種加徵的一個概念跟那個原本稅率的提高兩個概念是不太一樣的那你沒有回答問題那我們的因應呢部長我們的因應就沒有因應根據WTO就這樣而已是吧 |
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4578.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
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好不好這個時間有限我再請問你我記得去年的時候我問了部長你在這裡這在這裡同一個地方同一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
4589.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
4608.595 |
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臺美從務課稅大概今年6月可以OK了結果現在已經是11月了還沒OK喔我可不可以同樣的問題你同樣的回答可不可以說我可不可以樂觀的預估只要川普上台以後大概明年的3月可以 |
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4630.808 |
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我講這個部分還沒有辦法做這樣的一個預估為什麼因為去年是因為一月份的時候眾議院已經先通過到參議院但參議院後來因為是包括法案的關係因為其中另外一個法案有一些爭議所以以至於我們這個在裡面接下來就碰到美國的大選所以整個是停滯在參議院 |
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那至於接下來我們也跟委員報告10月29號美國財政部已經發表聲明就是說會跟臺灣來做一個臺美ADTA的一個進一步的討論展開我們可以樂觀的預估沒有時間到了樂觀的預估明年第一季可以嗎我想這個時間上我沒有辦法預估因為我們和外交部以及那個數美代表處會合作一起來推動是 |
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4657.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
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這個你對自己這麼沒有信心喔,這個票票一次不敢再講了吼,嚇到啦吼。我們看,我們看,這個,針對要用第7波的信用管制打草房,會不會影響房地合一的稅收? |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
4675.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
4700.106 |
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房地合一的稅收當然會影響啊那要看那個移轉動數移轉動數已經價格的差距啦對我們就會我關心的是長照基金喔它的來源750億用途879億入不敷出現在第7波的新能管制打下來房地合一的稅收絕對影響只是影響多少你不知道啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
4702.992 |
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議員提出這個提問我們當然是來兩個禮拜啊那可以吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
4720.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
4720.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
提出來﹖ |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
4736.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
4757.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
這一次的新融管制因為如果沒有第8波就是最後一波了對皇帝合一會有影響但是影響到多少?影響到最後是長照激起的創意我們來收集資料以後做一個演繹事謝謝那就是一個月後給那個賴司法委員這份資料謝謝謝謝司法委員接著請郭國文委員諮詢 |
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4771.352 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
4775.237 |
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謝謝主席我們有請莊部長好 莊部長請委員好部長好 部長昨天那個海關博物館開幕嘛 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
4806.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
那1996年的我們的海關的這個辦公室所成立之後呢海關博物館算是一個教育館那基本上也是對於整個海關的歷史的重視但相對呢你對海關歷史的重視呢可是一樣是關務署對歷史建築卻感覺上啊相當的漠視為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
4808.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
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本席在10年的時候就已經去會堪考察過的北投育成中心的部分這是在1913年的時候以照目前為止是應該是非常久具有歷史如果我沒有記錯應該是最久的一個早期日治時期的一個溫泉招待所結果任由他方會 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
4831.149 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
4834.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
臺北市政府財政部有承接過這個財政部所屬的文化資產、文化身份的歷史建築嗎?有沒有? |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
4862.437 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
4876.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
臺北市有的時候因為他是文化主管機關有的時候他會移撥我們的移撥也是修復好之後才會移撥啦部長你不要做夢了啦沒有一個地方是很會花這種錢第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
4877.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
4892.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
我想要問你的是說他有承諾具體的白紙黑字的承諾書嗎?有正式來文的承諾書為什麼本席在詢問的時候你沒有提出來?你馬上告訴我啊! |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
4893.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
4920.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
你有辦法在明年1月的時候期末報告之後就順利移轉然後臺北市政府會願意花一億多元的部分的預算來修復我們北投育成中心這個部分我們關務你承諾本席你承諾本席跟委員報告關務署在11月7號的時候也拜會了臺北市的文化局我不管你那個流程啊你告訴我結果啦好那是不是我們關務署你去拜會的情形跟委員報告一下結果怎麼樣請說署長彭署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
4922.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
4942.904 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
報告委員那臺北市政府現在還是維持原來的一個承諾原來的承諾你要北撞奧伊伊啊不要到時候你又是找不到帳啊你到時候又重新改一個計畫又3年到5年明明已經100多年的建築物任由其方會又要任由已經本席到現在已經3年到4年4年後又3年又4年你要等到他150歲200歲才有打算修復他嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
4946.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
4971.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
所以報告委員所以我們115年如果這個移波沒有順利完成我們115年就會編列這個概算編列什麼預算那你如果明年可以編列預算你為什麼不早點編列預算就很奇怪啦報告委員因為當時跟臺北市政府文化局這邊談所以我們有編1億3跟1億4的這個你具體的承諾給我你現在都是修復計畫費用而已啦你如果沒有你要不要自己編部長 |
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4972.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
4999.689 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
委員這樣子齁因為11月7號也去拜會臺北市那我想這個後續我們會持續的我覺得我們會部裡面也會再跟那個臺北市政府請他們一定按照原來的程度我現在問你是臺北政府如果沒有答應你要不要自己編啊你聽不懂喔要問幾次自己編啊如果說他們好你要馬上給我編啊所有文化資產當中最多的財政部所屬的這個機關公股銀行包括國有財產署是文資大戶欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
5001.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
5018.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
你有沒有做一個總體的整理單單國產署就344個位置單單那個煙酒公司、台銀、核庫等等隨便一個房舍都具有高度的歷史價值但是你們沒有整體的去保存 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
5019.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
5046.146 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
都是零星片段個案處理啊部長你們承諾本席做個整體的規劃通常的檢討我們部裡面都有去彙整各機關或機構所管的那個歷史建築歷史建築和補給也會出示他們要去做按照文資法的規定來做後續修復跟利用我不是想要你調查我本席要你保存可不可以好把它視為財政部的資產之一嘛好第二個我要問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
5047.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
5072.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
本席問過本席看到你們常常在講什麼智慧海關還有一些那個通關的便捷性什麼這一個數位海關搞了老半天人資色彩還是很多同樣一個樣品有的在A公司從B公司進了同樣的貨可是到不同的海關卻有不同的稅率 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
5074.346 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
5075.568 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
這部分對於稅則編號的見解不一樣的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
5085.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
5085.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
一國好幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
5111.708 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
5113.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
那有的要退稅一個月、一個半月 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
5132.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
5145.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
財政部的退稅作業為什麼一定要有的在電腦上可以執行有的一定要書面一定要零貴部長這是不是都你管的為什麼退稅有的要拉到一兩個月有的就只有五天 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
5146.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
5168.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
怎麼差那麼多當然應該要更改進要更改進對啊你上次也這麼阿沙尼跟回答本席阿應該改進阿你整個報稅要變節化退稅應該變節化結果呢已經事隔快要一年了你的阿沙尼已經阿沙尼了一年了結果呢還是一樣牛步化沒有變節化做何解釋這個部分我們再回去 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
5172.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
5172.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
臺北國稅局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
5188.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
5189.372 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
本期還有一件齁 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
5206.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
5227.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
一直放在心裡你們沒有辦法說服本席的部分就是TISA的部分你們對TISA的部分就是維持生活所得支出可以扣除是從所得稅的角度來看本席是說呢你如果說從一個好的一個那個對有利於人民的政策的這個TISA |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
5228.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
5249.205 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
為什麼人家NISA可以做第一代做到第二代可以讓整個資產的配置更加的理性化而我們呢在稅制上的優惠沒有辦法除了所得稅之外以差的作稅把這一個不是鼓勵投資是鼓勵投資代替儲蓄的這個可能性把他拉高所有的工具都在你們手上 |
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5250.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
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阿這個大家告訴我有什麼好處我就舉一個嘛現在說在證券市場當中對於租稅優惠可以幫助整個證券市場包括人民理財的部分呢其實外乎有三種一個是NISA一個是 |
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臺灣三個投資工具就是少了人家兩個連ETF的部分的稅率也是1%而已啊他還是有優惠啊啊這種情況底下這麼好的方式為什麼我現在搞不清楚財政部想了這麼久反抗了這麼久沒有找出一個替代方案部長 |
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願聞高見跟委員報告有關TISA部分的租稅優惠我們和金管會其實都一直在持續的一些溝通中金管會找出一個減免手續會的方式解決不了問題我們也把各個國家在類似這樣TISA或NISA這樣的一個租稅優惠做了一個表列然後去做相互的比較 |
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其實我們臺灣現在對於這樣的一個經營的租稅的優惠其實優於其他各國﹖所以你要找其他的可能性不是從所得稅的角度而已嘛本席剛剛就跟你講過本席剛剛有跟你講過嘛你現在所謂的維持生活基本支出如果按照這個原則現在是負利率的情況底下他也沒有辦法維持基本生活支出啊那所有國人的金融資產的占比當中即便 |
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臺灣的證券市場算是正面的長期投資是好的情況底下你為何不讓國有這個機會呢透過租稅工具的方式呢部長請你回去再思考一下可不可以最後我再用一個短暫的時間 |
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最新的消息是造源計劃造源計劃是在本席要求國會會建立一個平台溝通結果溝通的結果呢新所謂的建立一個建構一個平台結果還是推回來給財政部處理推回來給財政部處理的這個公建計劃也好或者是物流倉儲也好捷運也好我覺得這個目前設定都很好的標的那我要問你一下你這個平台建置了沒有財政部 |
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將來會是我們在114年開始我們就會有一個促餐專案辦公室然後有一個平台專案辦公室專案辦公室然後也會有一個院級的跨部會的一個促餐推動的一個平台就是你們處理當然什麼時候完成在財政部這邊我們明年就開始了明年就開始明年就開始那院的什麼時候院級其實現在已經都在一直密集的在討論當中了院的只是會議平台而已啦就我知道是這樣子啦 |
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對 行政院還有財政部一直在開會總共保險基金還有3.27億我跟你講 外界這樣說只要保險基金的利率有3.5%就可以值得投資我說實在從實務上不只3%實務上我就理解至少要5% |
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所以你現在透過這個出餐的方式的時候你還要去統合一個可能性就是說呢他有沒有可能把這一個出餐的這個標的當中再透過組合性的投資像REITS的部分來combine在一起的可能性對啊這就是金管會一起加入這一個平台的主要的目的正常創造出來比較相對高的利率所得才能吸引更多基金投入這個公建跟捷運開發 |
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謝謝國委員的質詢下一位請賴會員委員質詢請 |
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謝謝主席有請我們的財政部莊部長還有我們負稅署宋署長兩位長官請 |
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委員好,是部長早安,部長今天要跟你討論就是明年賦稅署的那個稅出的一個預算其中統一花票的一個中獎的清澈的資料庫跟相關的應用系統的維護計畫這個是1億多可是統一花票給獎跟推行那個經費我們編了188億那統一花票的一個獎金的制度 |
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每年統一花票大概會花出多少獎金?你知道嗎? |
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5538.479 |
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我們統一發票的給獎最主要是按照營業稅法裡面的按營業稅的3%來編列那如果說在前面幾期的時候有些沒有來對獎金額有剩的話我們也會在年底的下半年的時候增加發的主數那你這個188億的話的3%大概是多少是他的獎金95%以上都是做獎金使用 |
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195億的95%是用來做你的獎金對不對?對 |
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那部長我再請教你在那個上個月你剛辦完雲端的花票那個花票推廣活動的一個這個記者會成果記者會那顯然你對你自己的一個推動你是滿意的是不是這樣子呢跟我們一直往前在推進那雲端發票站電子發票的比數已經60%了我們還應該還要再繼續往前推進希望大家都能夠把 |
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臺北國稅局總預算案有關財政部賦稅署、臺北國稅局及所屬、中區國稅局及所屬、高雄國稅局及所屬歲出預算部分暨融資財源調度 |
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臺北國稅局總預算案有關財政部賦稅署、臺北國稅局及所屬、中區國稅局及所屬、國有財產署及所屬、國有財產署及所屬、國有財產署及所屬、國有財產署及所屬、國有財產署及所屬、國有財產署及所屬、國有財產署及所屬、國有財產署及所屬、國有財產 |
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我想謝謝委員的鼓勵鼓勵也希望我們能夠更大的一個推進因為時間那麼長前面可能很快到後面就成為一個瓶頸就會比較緩慢所以這個部分我們還是會運用各種場合第一個讓民眾更容易去接近它更容易使用所以我們不管在那個APP上 |
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﹚廣告 |
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僅詢答．11月2 |
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這份你要領了要拿紙本啦就是這一樣的一個花票你如果中了獎了以後中了獎以後你還要再拿紙本那如果你忘記拿紙本的話還是你的油墨浮掉了就不能領獎囉那你的電子化的意義在哪裡部長你知道這樣的這個事情嗎 |
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跟委員報告我們不能講說我們已經滿意我們認為所有事情都應該要往前走那至於這個我知道這個掃描如果像這樣的一個電子花票你上了APP以後囉那你還是要帶著紙本才可以來領獎你們知不知道嗎負稅署署長部長你知道嗎請問你們知道嗎 |
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我報告委員齁像他如果這個我們叫電子發票證明連是紙本的對不對對他最主要是欠缺了一個載具就是我們講的譬如說手機條碼載具沒有他的手機條碼載具他這個就會儲存上雲端那你這個怎麼叫電子化呢那大家還要拿紙本才可以去得獎大家得獎已經非常高興了結果你告訴人家說你還要再拿紙本來那這個是電子化的電子發票嗎 |
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主席,您顯然已經看到這個問題了。如何改善呢?我跟委員報告,因為它如果變成一般的紙本的時候,就變成誰拿有那個紙本,就像你有對獎的資格一樣。所以我們一定要看到那個原來的紙本,否則今天如果有人,像之前發生過一些詐騙。所以你必須要在電子的那個系統裡頭, |
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委員會主席 |
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來做報告。好,顯然是你已經是造成擾民了,況且這個實在是一個笑話,完全都沒有電子化。那再來這一個,部長,傳統資本的花票,傳統的資本的花票,它只能用 |
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在財政部前面推動電子花票,什麼時候淘汰這種紙本花票? |
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總是有一個時辰吧,什麼時候淘汰勒?要營業人去換,那這個整個部分我想委員都是從那個變名的一個方角度來思考,那您剛剛所提的幾項就是說既然已經掃描QR Code進去,為什麼去對講的時候還要拿這個 |
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委員會跟委員在座報告那委員的建議我們也來做一個精進的思考好不好 |
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市長這個是辯名的角色是從辯名的角度去看顯然是造成大家很大的一個困擾所以我們還喊的那麼大聲就是說這個電子化這個顯然是少了哪一段我們沒有銜接上來那接著 |
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部長我再請教你2024年11月份的全國賦稅收入的初步的一個統計我們到11月份我們的時增金額我們已經達到3.3兆了叫同期增加了2728億那達成累積到那個就是我們整體的一個分配算數裡頭116.2 |
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這裏頭我們特別看到這一張圖裏面尤其是證交稅它佔了822億那其他的營所、中所還有營業稅這樣子讓不動動加起來也超過了800億那顯然從我們這個稅別的一個變化裏頭我們其實要講到的就是說今年的經濟其實非常的好那明年呢 |
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明年的經濟成長率根據主計總署的估測是3.26%所以說明年是會比較差的我們預期他是稅收會比較少的 |
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明年的我們的預算數是兩兆七千多還是比今年的預算數成長了近百分之二十大概百分之十九稅收的部分成長百分之十九點九對所以你是認為就是說今年前年的經濟成長率我們估值上修是4.03那看起來是今年是非常好的可是明年你們的預估才是3.15% |
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那我們的經濟成長力是不是會稍微下降呢?我們從那個臺經院這個最新的一個經濟預測裡頭我們從這一張報表裡頭來看的話部長應該是這一個數字是非常準確的有沒有問題?沒有問題嗎? |
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您這邊有關包含民間消費的年增率,這個會在我們的營業稅裡面去出現嗎?所以今年經濟成長力它能破4,那明年你只能破3,那我們可以請明年的這個整個經濟成長力它是沒有辦法比今年來得好,是不是這樣子呢? |
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跟委員報告我們在稅收估測上經濟成長率是一個參考因素但除了經濟成長率還有其他的因素要一併考量當然當然所以那我們如果就是在用全球的經貿情勢的一個不確定性的話這個隨著這個川普的一個當選美國總統的話那事實上這個不確定性就更大囉當然有他的不確定性存在是的 |
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是 這個其實大家都緊張了你看這個川普總統當選了以後他最主要的一個經貿的一個政見其實對中國是非常不友善的那對我們台灣其實我們也是高度的在警示那不管他的移民政策、他的財政政策、他的貿易政策其實我們可以非常清楚看到了中國近20年的經濟成長力現在中國的經濟是非常慘的 |
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那如果讓川普再這樣子前面性的跟他對幹的話我相信我相信這個狀況中國的經濟狀況會是更不理想的不曉得部長你的看法是怎麼樣是委員您說的然後很適然後事實上算是委員也安排了一個專題報告在上週 |
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一月二十就任以後實際落實的一個時間點以及他的程度跟規模會是怎樣然後會造成什麼樣的一個衝擊其實大家都在密切的觀察 |
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那所以說今年的稅收的時增數那預期是會比去年預估的那個預算數多多少就像你剛剛提到的明年的經濟成長率預估只剩下3出頭財政部認為未來我們還可以像這幾年收到了這麼多的稅嗎顯然是不可能的所以本席在這裡主張今年的稅收時增比 |
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預算多的部分絕對要留到明年的編列預算還有刺激經濟的一個預算不能不能像某些在野黨的委員主張現在就花掉了那明年該怎麼辦﹖是認同委員應該部長做對對對因為我們應該把預算時增數超過預算數的部分第一個減少舉債增加還債然後納入稅計剩餘作為以後的 |
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黃宏威委員質詢 |
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昨天有看棒球嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
6290.766 |
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我想這兩天全國大家都在封棒球那因為中華隊打出非常好的成績但另外一方面事實上也開始有一些討論就是像棒球的競技比賽 |
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臺北市的部分包含一些藝文團體還有一些地方的民意代表 |
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就開始一直有一個聲音說那臺北市是不是應該取消娛樂稅免徵娛樂稅主要是針對包含演唱會包含競技比賽那 |
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娛樂稅的稅法事實上現在也在我們立法院要再審查那我想請問一下在我們財政部提出娛樂稅法之前娛樂稅條例之前請問一下有沒有召集地方縣市政府來討論過他們希望是由中央來做主導還是要授權地方來免徵這些相關的娛樂稅呢 |
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委員報告,這個有關娛樂稅這個議題其實財政部不止一次的邀集地方政府來開會那基本上第一個共識他們地方政府都不贊成廢止這個娛樂稅條例因為他們認為這對他們來說還是重要一個財源尤其在縣市裡面的鄉鎮他收起的就歸這個鄉鎮那他們同意,他們會同意說由中央授權地方來廢除嗎 |
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免徵不能被阻我們對第一個在娛樂稅的項目裡面我們也做了一個檢討第二個就是對於我們因為現在娛樂稅的有關稅率是訂上限那這個上限我們也了解地方政府其實都沒有用到這麼高的一個限度所以呢我們就把上限往下降讓他們可以在裡面可以自行訂定因為現在本來就是訂個上限讓他們在裡面去訂定 |
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我可以跟你說因為最近呢我們其實我們國民黨團去拜訪了非常多的縣市很多縣市首長事實上都反映對於熱稅其實他們並不希望由中央來授權地方為什麼呢因為你想想看我認為當我們這個稅法一通過之後可能第一個作為領頭羊的就是臺北市 |
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因為臺北市我剛講臺北市有大巨蛋經濟所以呢臺北市非常有可能做相關包含球賽還有這個演唱會的娛樂稅的免徵但是其他的縣市政府未必他們有這樣的能力所以很多縣市政府給我的反應是什麼呢說第一個當然娛樂稅是地方的稅源 |
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2 他們認為應該由中央來統籌來決定因為這種好人也好壞人也好你不要丟給地方縣市首長來做嘛比如說我隔壁縣市他免徵了免徵這個將會到臺北市唱這個演唱會可以免徵娛樂稅啊對不起到我新北市或桃園市我就要科娛樂稅那大家壓力通通來啦對不對 |
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所以這件事情我還是認為應該由中央來做統籌你就把責任擔起來好那你一定會說可是地方不願意這個娛樂稅免徵因為娛樂稅就是地方的稅收那我請問一下娛樂稅一年多少錢 |
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全年大概19億19億但是我們現在是新的修正修草案在院裡面大概就是對競技還有藝文活動授權地方政府可以減免這都可以有訂那像高雄市他事實上他有很多演唱會他其實都已經在沒有免徵那個所以我就說因為財政比較好的狀況他就可以去免徵所以我在這邊要講我們一年20億 |
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其實對中央來講你稅收超徵今年稅收超徵起碼4千億啦20億對中央來講真的零頭都不到可是對一些尤其比較財政比較困難的縣市那個就是他們的主要的稅收之一所以其實中央來定哪些項目可以免徵然後由中央把這些的金額補貼給他們 |
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19億的這個娛樂稅稅收 |
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高爾夫球最多,但是現在沒有人認為高爾夫球應該給他免徵嘛,對不對?夾娃娃機最多,夾娃娃機每年都在增加,但是大家也不會覺得說夾娃娃機要給他免徵嘛,對不對?KTV、小鋼珠至於我們剛剛講的全部都排在集會後面 |
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所以我們在這個娛樂稅這一次的去調整跟檢討是非常好的事情但是呢我覺得不要造成地方縣市政府的困擾我剛講嘛你不要讓他一定要做黑臉嘛他做白臉呢他他要勒緊褲腰帶 |
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他做黑臉呢那他也很痛苦啊是不是所以是不是由中央你們現在的修法是第一項第一到四款是可以由中央中央來決對地方縣市政府來決定是不是你中央就把它決定下去然後這麼少的這個稅收啊我們去補助給補助給這個相關的地方政府是不是一個可以去考慮的方向 |
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委員您說的很實但是我們在邀請地方政府開會的時候他們並不這樣認為他們認為說還是要讓他自己決定因為他覺得這是他的財政自己權沒有我聽到的我聽到的都是希望中央趕快自己決定然後補貼給他們就好了 |
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部長,我不會憑空去講這些話,如果地方縣市政府都很需要的話,我根本不用浪費我的質詢時間,因為我就是聽到真的好幾個縣市長跟我講, |
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是希望乾脆直接中央做決定另外你們的修法說實在像有些電影是最離譜的啦因為電影原來呢是非常高這個國片30%其他的片子外國語片呢 |
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是60%那現在你們把它修到15%可是部長你也知道齁事實上現在各縣市有關電影只有0.5%到1%各縣市唷只有0.5%到1%連2%我都找不到了所以 |
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你們的修法這個稅率是不是有點太偏離現在實際的狀況?如果在我來看,我覺得電影院應該免徵。你知道很多的地方縣市現在連一個電影院都沒有了。現在很多都是數位串流,所以連電影院都沒有了。 |
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即便是六都吧其實電影的稅率他們定的也都很低只有0.5%有的是1%而已所以你們現在各個的所謂的現行稅率其實比實際的稅率啊實際現在各縣市的稅率差的很多所以這樣的修法已經不切實際了已經不切實際了你承認吧 |
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因為我們訂的是一個上限那我們也了解過各縣市政府實際上收的一個稅率所以我們就往下降當然您說現在往下降以後我們的草案往下降和它實際收取的一個稅率還是有一段距離那它在這個上限之下都可以自行去決定另外電影也是屬於藝文活動之中的一項我們也已經授權在這個草案已經授權地方政府可以去做全免也都可以的 |
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我必須講由中央來決定它是一個比較政策的方向我剛才講電影真的你現在電影把它全部取消我覺得都應該啦真的你做到再弄一個電影院其實經營起來都是很困難尤其你離開六都之後啊真的很多都根本沒有整個縣市一家電影院都沒有了 |
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所以我在這邊最後剩一點時間我還是希望針對電影、針對演唱會、針對運動競技由我們中央的部分從財政部就直接把它作為免徵 |
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那真的也不需要到地方大家來吵吵鬧鬧了啦你看比如說現在那個臺北市政府啊現在我看到也有些這個民進黨市議員說啊你沒有guts你要趕快把它怎麼免徵什麼之類的 |
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基本上只要我們中央來做修法其實臺北市就會立刻配合啦他會立刻配合的但是我覺得有些部分是不是由中央就拿出一個態度來我剛才講如果這個稅收真的像貨物稅我們說貨物稅不是很好的稅對不對但是貨物稅它的稅收很多你沒有辦法放棄這個稅收 |
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一律稅全部加起來20億而且我剛講最主要的貢獻我也沒有讓你免徵啊高爾夫球、夾娃娃機這些我也沒有讓你免徵啊但是這些根本已經聊勝於無擺在那邊只是在那邊做樣子的 |
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為什麼不能夠由中央來做免徵也是一個政策我們也鼓勵縣市去發展不管是大巨蛋經濟或者你巨蛋經濟或者剪唱會經濟棒球經濟隨便啦對不對這也是一個態度嘛 |
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所以您一開始也問過說我們有沒有去跟地方政府研議過這個事實上我們是不止一次跟地方政府討論結果他們的意見其實都已經歸納在我們這一次的修法草案裡面那我怎麼還聽到那麼多的不同的聲音真的就跟我講說拜託能不能讓中央自己聽下去就好了 |
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好,謝謝 |
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主席各位聯席觀眾大家好主席有請賦稅署宋署長宋署長 |
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租屋黑市 |
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依法規定,非自用住宅若供出租使用,除非確定是無產或非營業用使用之外,應按照當地租屋情況計入租用所得並入個人綜合所得,來繳稅。 |
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5區國稅局的業務重點在於查核個人非自用房屋使用及租賃情形列為各年度的一個集合重點以防止短報、漏報租賃的這種情況我們從數據上可以看到國稅局越查越少讓這些逃脫稅的人持續的逍遙法外 |
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111年度除了高雄跟中區國稅局查核比例略較109年度及110年度提升之外其餘3區國稅局的查核比例均為4年的新低再從其補稅件數比例各區都落在兩成以上111年度5區國稅局合計收入補稅金額8.41億元在補稅件數比例 |
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（補稅金額均不低下（這樣的數據告訴我們說（逃漏報主任所得還是一大堆（賴總統的政見強調要落實居住正義（但是逃漏稅的還是很多（ |
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能不能請署長告訴我到底要用什麼樣的方式才能把這些討論稅不願意讓租客申請租屋補貼的人抓出來那我還要跟署長強調就是說因為這個要討論稅而不願意讓租客進行租屋補助的案例滿街都是那這樣子這種情況之下民眾一點都感受不到政府 |
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臺北國稅局總預算案有關財政部賦稅、臺北國稅局及所屬、中區國稅局及所屬、國有財產署及所屬歲出預算部分暨融資財源調度 |
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請署長說明為什麼會越查越少用什麼方法可以確實查核這些防止逃漏稅的情況 |
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報告委員我們目前對於這種所謂的朱黑市我們大概或黑數大概有兩個方法一個叫羅波一個叫棒子那所謂的羅波就是像剛才委員關心的不管是公益出租人就拿租金補貼我們稱為公益出租人或是社會住宅的房東 |
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7212.787 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
在目前的住宅法都有給他一些租稅優惠每月批月1萬5以下是可以免稅的那他的費用率尤其社宅部分那費用率可以提高到60%所以事實上以我們現在的這種修正後的住宅法對於我們的愛心房東統稱愛心房東這樣的稅負是非常輕的 |
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所以不會妨礙我們現在的房客去申報所謂的申請租金補貼或申報所謂租金支出扣除那另外呢我們對於不符合這個條件的可能有些房東他還是惡意的想要去規避稅賦那我們就有所謂的棒子就是委員所看到的其實委員看到的有些是叫專案查核 |
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中央查核就是我們會挑多組別5戶以上10戶以上我們特別去看他的申報情形讓他申報不理想就是不如實的我們就會去加強查核另外我們有例行性查核所以委員看到的可能 |
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看到的是比較專案的部分例行性查核我們也沒落下另外我們從今年7月1號開始實施的叫房屋稅差別稅率2.0我們特別加重對於多屋而且是空閒置我們是加重課稅當然對一種房東對一種房屋所有人我們是特別減稅就是他有出租他願意出租只要申報達租金標準我們不僅不加稅還減稅那這一部分都是我們目前在努力的方向所以我們現在是蘿蔔棒子都有 |
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| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
議員議員 |
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我這邊有張表格,其中執行率只有1.79%這張圖表是到112年底其中理由很多,工程多次的流標、物價 |
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這個漲幅還有原編列物條經費不足還有天候疫情工人不足等因素的影響理由一大堆那物價計畫一再的延宕物價持續的上漲浪費的都是民脂民膏所以希望說我們負稅署能夠要明白就是說要隨時注意計畫有沒有落後 |
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每個環節都要做一個評估作業如果發生延宕應該要抓緊腳步去解決問題回歸正軌不然的話民眾會認為說你是在浪費錢那這個1%的1.79%還有最高24.48%這個部分這些執行率慘不能賭所以署長你有什麼要說的 |
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報告委員,因為農族集團所這樣子我們很清楚,因為我們主要是碰到很多問題﹖對,很多問題﹖很多理由﹖ |
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對,他已經這個今年已經標出去了然後呢這個禮拜就已經要開工了就要開工那基本上如果他沒有真的興建那經費其實就是沒有支用所以才會造成看起來支出率比較低一點但我們也很希望有自由的辦公廳所以我們北區國局這邊也非常努力的去辦理相關的事項 |
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好就是要求一定要檢討好不好是那再來就是討論雲端發票的問題那我們剛剛也提到其他我們很多委員都非常的關心這項計畫的一個量化成績績效那我有看到一個目標值是由115年的57%逐年調升到118年的60% |
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但是本期從預算中心看到報告113年今年的7月實際已經達到了58.63%已經超過58%距離118年的60% |
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只相差只有1.37那從現在到118年還有4年的時間那60%的目標是不是太輕鬆了那設定這個目標值就沒有挑戰性了所以組長你認不認同說雲端發票使用率的目標應該往上提升 |
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提早答票當然是好事 |
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提高目標的設定可不可以?是,我們會努力,一定會努力。好,謝謝,謝謝宋主席。我有請關務署彭署長。 |
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委員好蘇長好上星期一是雙十一購物節我們知道很多商家都提供了很多的優惠跟折扣那民眾也想藉這個機會一次的買齊那很多包裹都是從國外入境台灣那當然一定會有不法人士也要藉這個包裹大量輸入的機會想要 |
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偷渡非法物品來到臺灣我們要防止這些不肖人士的一個投機違法同時會實施的這些檢驗檢疫或者是低報貨物價格來逃漏這些稅費的部分甚至於是這個夾帶槍毒等這些危險物品企圖闖關的 |
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海關持續加強各項的查緝作為防止走私逃漏當然這裡面毒品棄貨案這個案例毒品棄貨收集不易AI訓練的資料不足 |
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那所以這個毒品尤其是新樣態的一個走私的樣態非常的多那走私的方法也都推陳出新所以我知道你們的計畫你們規劃這個次世代人工智慧輔助棄屍計畫導入生成式的AI強化人工智慧這些種種那編列的預算110年度編列了6472萬要增加這種棄屍能力但是我想要問的就是說 |
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這些計畫將結合氣貨案例影像、樣品、毒品樣本的模擬還有相近原子序列的樣本影像來進行深層式的AI學習但是我們要了解現有的氣貨案例是不是足夠 |
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僅詢答．1 |
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我們會擔憂的就是說這樣子的訓練的一個訓練值能不能相信時間不夠啦所以請這個署長說明一下實際委員這方面的一個提醒那的確就是說運用這個AI第一個一定要資料量要非常一個大所以對於資料量我們都有用生成式的AI或者是用我們查緝的或者是跟友軍比如說警政署這邊來聯繫來提供更多的一個數量 |
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謝謝主席,我們請莊部長 |
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請部長委員好部長好這個請教一下這兩天我看到新聞那新聞上面在寫說國民黨的這個財化法的版本鬧雙包鬧雙包就是說國民黨內部對於財化法修法也有不同的意見然後有國民黨黨團的人表示說這個 |
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黨團幹部他們又有一個共識就是說未來財務法修法的時候他們本來是要挖走6千多億現在國民黨自顧又提出來就是說要挖走這個3千多億的版本然後以修正冬季的方式提出來而且這個會拿掉首都稅的3%那不曉得部長有沒有得到類似的訊息 |
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跟委員報告我們也並沒有看到這所謂的修正的一個部分之前只是在媒體有看到對啊那所以你看國民黨的版本這個最後強行通過版本是挖了大概6612億那現在呢國民黨內部又有不同的意見不曉得是不是有一些要選縣市首長的人這個良心發現還是怎麼樣不知道 |
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委員報告 |
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第一個我們財劃法的部分除了剛剛您剛剛講那個垂直分配之外也就是中央釋出多少錢第二個是水平分配水平分配很重要一個用意在裡面就是要調劑營區以及均衡地方的發展 |
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因為每個地方的稅收狀況不一樣有好十幾個縣市他事實上不管地方稅或中央稅他所收起的部分都不夠稅出那所以這個需要靠水平分配的時候做調劑的營需然後讓各個縣市裡面的國民他其實都可以享受相同水平的一個這個我知道那現在就是說 |
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看來國民黨內部也有不同的意見有6千多億有3千多億這個圖就是目前在那個黨團版送出財委會是這樣的一個分配的模式就是如您這個畫面上那就是這個是財政部臉書上面的資訊那我看了一下就是說國民黨版本在水平分配的問題這方面第一個3%說要給臺北市這是獨厚特定的地方政府 |
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2.67%是按照人口數比例分配,所以對於人口較少的地方相對不利,擴大城鄉的差距。請教一下部長,按照國民黨的版本,水平分配問題是不是就像您所講的那樣? |
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確實根據這樣的一個黨團版本裡面我們根據他的水平分配所定出來的我們也去做過試算確實讓人口多的縣市取得相對的就相當的大的一個金額而對於部分地方政府可能因為他佔了67%就排擠到其他的一個分配 |
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現在已經被送出委員會了接下來是草野協商那在草野協商的部分的話財政部這邊要怎麼去做因應 |
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這個財化法的修正是一個非常重大的一個法案的一個修正應該要審慎的規劃不管是垂直分配的部分我想在公聽會裡面許多學者們都已經提出來錢跟權要同時均衡考量也就是說你必須要有四權先劃分清楚然後再考慮支出 |
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施出確認以後才有所謂的收入怎麼樣分配但是如果只考量把錢做怎樣的挪移而沒有考慮事權的分配的話其實第一個就在隨時分配上就已經失衡了那第二個水平分配的部分我們一再談到就是說必須要做到調劑營需均衡區域的發展這個我知道齁這個我們一直在談齁這個事跟錢齁要一起來談但是齁就是跟你講就是說齁 |
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現在如果國民黨硬要推不管他是6000多億還是3000多億那財政部自己有沒有因應的版本? |
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這個要審慎的規劃所以我們目前其實財政部之前已經開過兩次會召集地方政府來開會對於指標的部分我們其實努力的一直請各地方政府表達意見然後我們希望能夠縮小旗艦凝聚最大的一個共識在水平分配的部分先要把它安排好然後再考慮市權要如果要市權要重新調整的話再考慮支出面 |
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（僅詢答（ |
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因為我是蠻悲觀的啦如果按照這個國民黨這樣子要強推上次三分鐘就出去未來在朝野協商大概也不會就是說就算財政部有自己的版本或是說有自己的一些建議跟想法我覺得在朝野協商大概也會被擰壓過去啦但是我是認為說你們該要去 |
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這個據理力真的還是要想辦法讓社會各界來知道 |
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那這個我再請教一下這個之前這個也很多委員在問你們這個雲端種樹去的這個抽獎活動那我先問一下三個禮拜你們有一個檢討報告出來那檢討報告出來就是說你們說這個是跟廠商或是跟財政部內部的員工都沒有關係但是有一個抽獎資格的限定這個會有點問題 |
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就是說呢 這個廠商的抽獎的程式調高了參與者的重簽權重給予優先抽獎的機會那這個廠商是可以自己去調這個優先這個抽獎的機會給予他重簽的權重嗎這個是你們的規定呢還是廠商自己去做處理的那因為這樣子處理是不是也讓這一個最後那四會得獎的機會大大的增加 |
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委員報告我們的報告裡面有提到也就是說廠商在城市設計上他的邏輯其實是不是要已經跟我們原來要希望達到的一個目的已經偏離了所以這個部分呢我們也請調查局再調查有沒有相關不法的一個情勢那所以說這個是他自己設計的對跟你們沒有關係他也沒有來跟我們的主辦機關來做報告那他為什麼要做這樣的設計他有跟你們說明嗎 |
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在事前也沒說明啊沒有我說事後之後你們在做調查的時候行政報告這部分的話為什麼會有這樣的設計呢報告委員事後他來說明的時候他是說希望能夠很快抽出來因為這個要現場直播開講我想這個部分的設計啊我們應該會進一步的再來去做相關的追究 |
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不是啦,這個齁,不是什麼很快抽出來,我就是說你們行政報告出來,你們認為是說跟你們內部的人跟廠商是沒有關係的。 |
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我們第一個要確認就是說重複中獎從大獎的這四位要先釐清是不是我們內部的人跟廠商的相關的本人配偶及三星那但是這部分有沒有問題這個部分我們查出來是沒有都沒有我是說廠商去調高權重的調高權重這個部分跟我們原來就是說我們有抽獎有這個目的就譬如說我們希望你用載具用財政部的APP或者是說你要用我們的那個調查報告哪時候可以出來 |
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調查報告這個部分我們的行政調查部分已經出來但是調查局的那個調查結果到這個時間我們沒有辦法確定但是我們還是會對這個案子我們要會做全盤的檢討以及要做未來一定要做更好的改善 |
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這家大家現在還在質疑認為說你們還是沒有給出一個很完整的一個說明這個財政部其實這個抽獎然後是這個辦活動尤其是統一發票不應該受到質疑這個你們要做很大的一個檢討那請問一下因為明年統一發票的經費你們有增加增加了187億左右那現在我問一下你們這個雲端發票 |
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每一次每兩個月嗎?還是每個月?每兩個月開獎一次開獎的你們是說這個500塊現在是幾組啊? |
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8296.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
5百塊是多少?幾百萬組?因為那個是雲端發表的專屬獎項我看你們最先知道245萬組這個是這個是兩個月的嗎?還是全年的啊?245萬組這個是全年的嗎?不是一起一起的吧一起的嗎?一起一起一起一起中獎的5百塊有245萬組那你們明年規劃勒?因為你們這個那個經費有提高啦統一發報告經費 |
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給獎的獎金有提高啦那所以明年會提高到幾組勒?雲端發票部分我們會再算然後等經費過就是說預算通過以後預算通過之後會增加到幾組這怎麼會算不出來勒? |
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| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
委員會議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
8360.557 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
不會低於這個當然是不會低於啊你們自己編的預算都增加啦當然是不會低於啊好我們再來計算一下大概是多少啊會多少到300萬組要看經費的結果這樣經費就是有給你們你們自己就已經增加了啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
怎麼會算不出來勒?那我們會委員我們這個部分第一個會不低於現在的這個組數齁然後按照不低於這廢話啊對好我們再算一下以後跟委員報告不是啊那大概是幾組勒?300萬組沒有一下增加這個為什麼會算不出來?對好我們再算一下我問題是為什麼這個會算不出來? |
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委員我跟您報告因為我們通常都要去算一下今年的對齡率因為我們是一個經驗法則簡單講雖然我開舉個例子我開250萬組這種獎人有多少人但不一定每個人都會來領獎那我們都會去算過去那一般的領獎比例大概是多少 |
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8412.014 |
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8412.415 |
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預算提案截止時間 |
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總會算不出來說明年會增加多少萬?但是我們為了要嚴謹起見我們算好之後我們都會召開記者會然後對外說明要用公開說明那這個就是一個承諾了所以我們會比較嚴謹啦對 大家初估啊估不出來有許因為我現在手上沒有數字對今天會談你們的預算啊怎麼會手上沒有這個數字咧今天是會談你們預算 |
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啊沒有現在是只是答詢而已我當然知道啦我願意我可以我們回去以後如果順利通過我們哈? |
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臺北國財政部賦稅署及關務署及所屬、 |
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委員好 部長剛剛那個李昆城委員說這個國民黨的財化法鬧雙包齁我在這裡來鄭重說明 相信我是國民黨團這裡在財政委員會的召集委員齁這個國民黨財化沒有鬧雙包啦 我們就是只有我們通過去的那個版本那在這中間當然這個 呃 國民黨有智庫 智庫提供了很多種的 |
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不同的版本試算的給我們參考我們都有拿來看但是我們後來決定選用的版本就是上上禮拜通過的那個版本不過我不知道你們現在還有沒有打算還是不打算提出行政院的版本是什麼就是財政部這邊的院版 |
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跟委員報告就是剛剛講的財化法修正是一個非常重大的一個事情我們認為要審慎規劃但是你們上個會期我們已經說過給你們三個月去研究了然後你剛剛也說沒錯就是事權也要改變那所以如果你們一直不提出來那過了以後變成財政委員會立法院帶領著行政院前進我們往前走我們把 |
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蛋糕切好以後然後其他事權要改變的部分各個部會就要趕快跟上我們當然也說包括內政部其他部會就要事權就要跟上劃分就要跟上那等於是變成是立法院帶領著行政院這個前進所以到目前為止還你們也已經從我們上次從6月結議到9月現在都11月你們跟地方的溝通到現在你們都還沒有辦法拿出一個你們的板 |
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我們跟地方在討論的時候是先就指標就水平分配的指標部分在討論就如同委員也知道就原來要全部每個縣市都同意是不肯定的你們就是要也要縮小期限而且要凝聚一個最大的不是最後上次已經說只剩下幾項嗎只剩下一兩樣嗎 |
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有三個指標的部分還有一些爭議另外其實更重要的是後面的權重跟調整係數其實也要審慎的一個再做進一步的討論反正我們尊重這是你們的權利要放棄這個權利我們也是尊重你們反正立法是立法院應該做的事情權責那我今天要請教這個應該是 |
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金門縣政府之前提的綜合規劃裡頭要講的是一個要把金門打造成精緻購物免稅島是金門縣的願景這個是在民國99年那時候的縣長就說了希望達成全島免稅 |
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中央政府總預算案有關財政部賦稅、臺北國稅局及所屬、高雄國稅局及所屬、南區國稅局及所屬歲出預算部分暨融資財源調度。 |
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免徵關稅、貨物稅、營業稅、二退、煙酒稅、煙品健康復旧營業稅、出口限量退稅李島經濟條例第10條也有說（蓬勻金本麻族、綠島藍營、琉球這些營業人士李島經濟條例說（與當地交付的貨物或是提供的免徵營業稅這些地方免徵營業稅這個辦法你們定資的 |
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但是因為金門地區90%貨物都是從臺灣進口從臺灣島來進口所謂運費進口貨物課的5%因為現在這個稅制金門現在是免徵營稅但是造成競向無法扣抵這個就變成直接轉嫁到消費者身上所以事實上民眾是百姓消費者中端消費者是感受不到營業稅的優惠 |
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我們算了一下離島3個縣市以金門來講如果離島3個縣市實行3年稅稅損是影響很少的你看每一年大概金門的部分大概一年是3億元副會長我也請他來溝通過所以我們是希望說把營業稅的部分變成零稅率變成零這個我跟副會長溝通過很多次稅損的部分事實上也只有影響 |
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3億那如果再按照我看現在我們要通過的這個財化法事實上這個部分如果很大的部分營業稅是歸地方所以最後事實上它這個稅損是地方政府而不會影響到我們中央政府根本也只有3億元的這個部分你們那時候說影響租稅公平性不利在地的這個但是呢我們剛剛說按照這個財化法的這個規定 |
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這樣子事實上對中央的稅稅損事實上如果通過這個以後是沒有影響的啊所以說是不是在這個法律部分如果配合這個法律的這個相關修正對因為要考慮我們離島有一些地理條件啊什麼都不一樣你看世界各國對離島都有一些特別的國土發展的這個計畫那這個部分是不是也應該適度的做一些政策的這個調整啊 |
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不然90%都從臺灣進口商家沒有真正的享受到基本的商家反應這個反應很多年了都沒有真正的享受到減免這個就是免徵營業稅那個優惠這樣子也沒有辦法真正照顧到離島地區的消費者我請那個負稅署署長署長對這個議題應該我跟您討論過很多次 |
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主席 |
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作成我說的零稅率的話稅損就更少了現在以5%來算是3億如果只有1%的話只有5分那一年的稅損也才6千萬那就更少了對中央的影響太小了我跟委員報告其實我們在考慮一個租稅政策的時候有時候不是單純 |
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僅詢答 |
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等這樣的特區所以我們是說我們就一個金門島來這樣考慮了我想你還是研究一下這個法律部分因為如果以後財化法通過以後應該說還是地方的到時候少收也是地方政府少收也許在法院上面我們得一個什麼依據不然以後地方政府如果可以自己願意讓地方政府可以 |
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臺北新竹歸新竹我們基本稅損是我們自己承擔變成我們自己縣政府來承擔嘛那這個部分的話就影響你們更小了 |
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您瞭解我的意思嗎?我瞭解,但是可能要看財政部我們會願意為了促進我們地方的發展所以我們願意提供一些比較好的政策今天現在地方政府也自己提供一些優惠的獎勵投資政策因為離島比較遠有些人不太願意過去投資所以我們自己也提供一些營所稅的補助什麼各方面的政策還是沒有那麼多人去投資但是我們盡量在政策上給離島一些 |
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事實上又對中央的收入是沒有影響的。您了解嗎?這個可能你回去再研究一下。因為在營業稅,第一影響都這麼少,如果再散散只有6000萬,第二個還都是影響金門縣自己的收入,不是影響你們中央政府的收入啊。 |
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你這個再想想法律上我們怎麼來做好不好讓金門的地方有更多的這個發展第二個我要問請問的關務署這個是金門立島免稅商店有4家啦這個離島專做離島免稅還有免稅商店就是大的那種免稅商店而不是離島免稅離島免稅是有限量的你知道嗎限量啊什麼東西都有限額的4家那大的什麼但是這個當然有增加的這個免稅商店開啟增加一些就業機會啦還有旅遊像 |
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我昨天回金門去接待一些大陸觀光客他們都特別喜歡到免稅商店去購物對金門的這個整個當然很多產業還有觀光客會來嘛到免稅店去買那對金門的這個幫助也很大但是設立到免稅條件他資本要求5000萬以下那這個跟設立這個全臺灣免稅那種店一般的免稅商店資格一致這個很對這個當然這店不好做但是對於這個 |
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資本的這麼高事實上對這個金門的一般商家還是會相對起來辛苦啦所以說事實上這樣變成是財團才有能力去做我們要推的是整個金門都變成這樣一個區啦所以你看看這個部分的話是不是還是需要去再檢討這個法規的相關對於遇到免稅的部分是給比較寬鬆的這個條件啦你了解我在說什麼嗎?就是比較寬鬆一點不要說只有財團才能做這樣的生意啦 |
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可以嗎?去研究一下看這個有什麼好方法,或者在政策上面有沒有什麼可以幫助金門地方更多的,因為這是你們關務署這邊比較重要的,可以推行的,來研議看看喔那還有,剛剛也有委員問到這個就是數位海關的那個再造計畫那個部分6千多萬,很奇怪你們的那個合併版的這個 |
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這個計劃裡頭你們需要的錢是兩億六千五嘛齁但是你們的預算編列是兩億五千萬啦齁這個你們看到嗎你們的合定版總共是大概預估明年總共要兩億六千五百多萬但是一百一十人只有合編列兩億五是合定的寫得太高還是你們錢不夠啊還是你們不需要啊什麼原因因為我們整個行政院的科技計劃它是整個總數額的啦 |
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明年如果說我們沒有辦法編列在這裡面的話那我們會往後 |
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其他的115或116等那邊（還有你要注意再提問如果你要注意一點你們在113年4月依據政府採購法的三四條第一項規定徵求廠商對一些意見但沒有廠商提出來我在想說到底是完全做得太好了沒有廠商 |
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可以提出任何改正的意見或者是廠商不敢表達意見這個可能要思考一下跟委員報告還是有廠商來跟我們提供這個需求的意見也有提供意見有一家非常大型的國際然後棄屍計畫裡頭那剛因為袁昆文有問我只是簡單的在說金門市作為邊境這個棄屍計畫你們這個深層次AI這個棄屍計畫裡頭這個可能在金門地區也要特別注意這個部分可能也要加強到時候在我們金門地區 |
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陳玉珍委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
副稅署署長郭柯財產署 |
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| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
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委員好部長好媒體很多國人都非常關心這個很多稅務的規劃的議題那我想請問一下部長那新聞上我有看到有關我們遺產稅跟這個他後續的跟政經稅他後續的急劇因為從上一次我們修正是2017年那其實這幾年大家都知道物價指數調整的非常非常多 |
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在這一塊雖然部分新聞我已經看到包括消費者的物價指數比上一次我們調整的時候其實差距已經累積高達10%以上了那雖然部分的媒體我有看到有一些報導的數字但是已經10月底了那到底我要請問一下部長到底我們什麼時候會公佈完整的級距跟數字 |
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對,跟委員報告對於課稅級距的金額的CPI的上漲程度超過10%了對,早就應該調了嘛,對不對12.42%所以呢,我們在今年年底以前就會公告明年所適用的一個課稅級距的金額 |
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副長有沒有可能再提早一點因為媒體有沒有已經看到部分的資訊了我的意思是說因為你到年底那種明年人家來不及去做稅務的規劃要做贈與的話就來不及去規劃所以我已經看到媒體有部分所以有沒有可能再提因為現在已經10月了吧11月了吧 |
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我們在一個月以內就來做公告,好嗎?好,謝謝部長。包括不計預算總額、扣除額這些,其實現在物價真的調得非常多。所以我覺得有機會,當然這是兩件不同的事情。 |
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目前是在法律稅規定說要超過累計超過10% |
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| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
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才會去做調整那上一次在112年已經還有113年也都做過調整了對我知道每一個每一個項目調整的時間不同所以要去看他累計的我知道我知道你們有一定的標準但是現在時空環境物價這幾年大家面臨的挑戰又不一樣所以我在想說這一塊我覺得你們當然有有有有一定的調整的一個一個一個時間點跟集聚達到但是我覺得那個整個都要 |
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平現在的大環境時空我覺得再去做進一步的考量可不可以 |
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謝謝部長接下來部長有一個議題我先把國有財產署問完署長因為國有財產署閒置的土地非常非常的多我地方常常在辦會堪比如說颱風天如果是私人土地山坡地速打下來倒下來不小心打到人所有權人有責任要去做賠償對不對 |
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你的土地也不少,樹長的也很多我常常颱風前要去會刊地方政府說這個是中央的沒有錢來去做處理所以我覺得無論是你現在國有財產署閒置的土地要不要去做活用或要不要去做什麼樣的管理或者是野草長得亂七八糟的我覺得那個都要有足夠的經費然後要有人去做巡視跟檢視 |
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否則你就乾脆就是閒置的土地你看地方要不要用怎麼樣去做活用跟各縣市全國有一個更好的計畫來去做進行 |
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你清楚我今天議題很多我就不要占用這個時間我是做這樣子的提醒我簡單跟委員報告第一個就是剛剛講的如果可以跟地方政府像村里長可以做認養綠美化的部分我覺得你那個誘因要夠啦你給里長多一個這樣的規定譬如說停車假設停車是大家的需求或者是做縱速什麼樣的是大家的需求 |
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我覺得你應該多一點的彈性給對方更多的用意去做處理否則這一次我覺得樹倒下來從你國有財產署的土地也不少我們也知道委員剛剛的情形所以從去年開始我們寫了一個中長城計畫那就是整個環境的清理所以這一次颱風完之後環境的清理然後預算你要有一點錢去處理現在地方也沒什麼經費 |
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6都可能還好其實各縣是很辛苦所以你這個經費一定要編的足夠好我就時間不讓你時間到這邊再提就好我要做這樣的提醒我希望這一次我主決議裡面一定會提部長你清楚我的意思我覺得這個是有必要要做否則颱風來速打到人 |
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我前面去會堪地方都跟我講沒錢這是中央的事情然後你地方經費又不足所以這個我提醒做出去那第二個你們兩位請回第二個部長我要請問一下就是說最近健保署當然我們健保的費用其實很多都要撥補臺電也要跟你要錢營業稅也要要錢健保署提了一個構想就是說未來的營業稅我們的消費稅可不可以做財源性的撥補 |
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你的看法到底是什麼? |
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跟委員報告營業稅目前基本的稅率就是5%是法定稅率我知道但是健保署提出來這樣的建議就可以做健保的固定的比例來做支援你的看法是什麼?營業稅的調整涉及到有關實質租稅的負擔我清楚部長時間很長你直接你的看法是同意還不同意支持還是不支持另外也要跟委員報告在財政紀律法裡面有規定部長但我知道 |
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當然財政紀律法它要統收統資然後不得增加比例也不得成立基金的專管專用對 這個你我都知道我想石署長他其實是為了健保的一個更好的永續所以他有一些意見那這個部分我們也會去跟他溝通包含財紀法的規定跟營業稅率的一些調整那類似這樣的想法部長 類似這樣的想法 |
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院理包括中太院長或者是高層的更高層長有沒有去做過溝通?有沒有曾經做過溝通?院長有沒有關心過類似這樣的事情?因為健保的錢財務狀況當然也非常的辛苦所以有沒有做過類似的溝通? |
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這個部分因為涉及到健保署的業務跟衛福部的業務而我們沒有去參與這樣的會議這樣子所以院裡面都沒有人跟你做過溝通這件事情沒有純粹是衛福部內部的想法我想我們會跟衛福部這邊再做一次溝通對 |
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委員會主席 |
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委員會主席 |
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要怎麼去處理我們現在整個統收統支狀況未來要怎麼活用其實有一定的處理原則跟方式所以這個要怎麼處理我覺得我要提醒你這個還是要注意另外最後一點 |
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因為時間有限我要問一下有關於課稅的制度要怎麼去做調整部長現在所有的民間包括跟稅務制度相關的一些議題就是說很多民眾他仍然就願意花很多的時間跟成本去進行有關於課稅的一些稅務的訴訟你知道原因是為什麼嗎 |
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因為但是行政訴訟的案件有一半都是稅務的案件那其實稅務的案件它的勝訴率其實非常的低但是民眾仍舊願意花時間成本去做稅務的訴訟你知道原因是什麼嗎? |
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民眾申請提出這個訴訟是民眾的一個權益他們可以提出來了對但是他的救濟的途徑也很多但是民眾覺得有一些在法律的制定的過程當中其實很多民眾他的目的不是要逃稅他覺得他的目的可能有很多不同的原因但是稅務法規非常多多如牛毛所以很多情況 |
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很多時候他們也不知道哪些是必須要申報的或者是有時候他們收到了罰單之後才知道說這個應該要罰稅但是他也願意補繳我也關注到就是說在行政法裡面行政法院裡面他們也提到就是說好幾個案例他也提到就是說包括稅政機關對於具體的個案他也提醒你們說必須有一些你看到有一些是這個財閥有一些是違章情形叫輕者 |
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其實你們有一些裁量空間可以去處理 |
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但是你們這樣子第4條裡面你們很少去用到這樣子的法規就是說其實行政法院也要提醒你們有好幾個案例就是考量納稅人的行為嚴重程度還有背後可能有不同的原因不能只看漏報後面如果有補繳那後面就讓他補繳但是後面有一些財閥事實上要看他的狀況來去做調整否則的話你們就是行政怠惰 |
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我覺得第4條是可以適用但是有時候我開協調會他們有時候是不知道要繳但他們願意繳逃落的部分但是你們是加倍加重的懲處 |
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我覺得政府的目的不是要透過罰款來賺錢是要提醒是 謝謝委員我想剛剛委員提到就是行政訴訟的部分因為現在我們就有設置納保官所以民眾如果對於這個稅務案件如果有需要申訴跟說明他透過納保官來做處理但是有一些裁量的空間你較輕較重第4條也就是說對於這個 |
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部長,你們好幾個案例你們都敗訴,行政法院派你們就說你們應該去朝向去考量個人的狀況,所以 |
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主席各位委員出列習慣人大號主席有請財政部莊部長有請莊部長 |
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總部長 你看起來慈眉善目最重要的還是要體恤所有老百姓的辛苦現在物價飆漲事實上很多基層的老百姓很多年輕人是教苦連天一個便當以前六七十塊現在一個便當可能就要一百三、一百五 |
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實在是很辛苦啊所以我們看到今年的稅收又超徵接近快三四千億拜託可不可以優先考量一下把這個錢平均的發給每一個民眾一人一萬塊的紅包拜託拜託好不好 |
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委員我想這個部分大家都很重視所謂的財政紀律所以這個部分對於時增數超過預算數的部分我們會先從減少舉債增加還債然後納入稅計剩餘那委員當然提到有些民眾事實上生活的一個辛苦我們認為進入國庫以後由國庫做資源的調配 |
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臺北國稅局總預算案有關財政部賦稅署、臺北國稅局及所屬、中區國稅局及所屬、國有財產署及所屬歲出預算部分暨融資財源調度 |
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因為總是聊勝於無那至少對年輕人來講心裡是很安定的因為外在的環境變動如果一萬塊 |
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放在自己的口袋裡又溫暖冬天又到了實際上又可以自己來支配使用這才是對全民真正的照顧我們在這裡審總預算我們看到一筆下去國防支出可能就是5000億甚至因為現在川普當選了還叫我們要提高國防軍費那個都是天文數字 |
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那與其很快就通過這些民眾感覺不到的這個數字倒不如回歸給一點溫暖給民眾本席在這裡還是再次拜託部長你好好來審酌一下現在 |
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川普當選了那事實上台灣的整個經濟的局勢上上下下面對未來可能又有很大的衝擊跟變化那在114年的總預算裡面有沒有什麼樣大環境改變的時候部長想要去做的 |
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例如說剛剛講到物價飆漲所有的公股銀行今年的薪資會不會再調升今年就是明年了會不會有這樣的一個準備另外我看到一個是很辛苦的有一些這個國營的銀行每個月的 |
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餐飲費部長你知道他們一個月餐飲費多少錢是兩千是到三千吧七百塊你查一下有人是三千那個是民營的這個銀行辦公股銀行公股的銀行幾十年沒調他的餐飲費一個月是多少七百塊 |
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700塊的話部長那大概一天的話餐飲費是多少錢?22天大概就是不到30塊部長那請問將心比心啊你如果是這些國營銀行的員工一天只有不到30塊的飲食用餐費你覺得這個夠嗎? |
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這不是光光你現在當部長 |
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那過去過去一年兩年三年四年我們是希望一個永續的經營團隊你現在做其實很重要我看到現在民間的這些聘用這些金融人員啊薪資啊又高福利條件又好所以你造成現在這個階段你入局啊你要招新人啊你招不到啦好的人招到也留不住啊 |
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你光是講這個餐飲費好了最基本的吃便當一想到他就沒有心情做下去了別人同樣同工同酬外面吃的是大魚大肉不要說大魚大肉就一個便當可能是150塊國營的這些銀行的人員每天面對中午吃便當是25塊不到30塊 |
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那部長,不到30塊要吃什麼?總不能每天吃泡麵吧?國營事業我們的相關的機構要對員工的福利給予多餘照顧部裡面基本上支持趕快想出一個方法來另外一個就是川普的時代已經來臨了我覺得在這個總預算裡面是看起來都很保守 |
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| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
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那就是保守有餘開創不足比如說移政稅好了移政稅我們看到在去年度第3款地方政府遺產及贈與稅短掃補助4億7千萬那 |
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其實一陣稅以前最低稅率是幾%10%目前是多少最低限率也是10%然後有15跟20有10、15、20不過如果說要鼓勵臺商或者更多的資金回來配合這個金管會彭主委推動的讓臺灣打造成為一個 |
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資產管理中心部長你需不需要更多的臺商或是世界的有錢人回來臺灣因為川普當選臺灣比較不會戰爭了吧這個句話對不對我們當然歡迎臺商回臺來投資以正稅會不會重新再調整為10% |
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| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
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新加坡有沒有移政稅? |
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10447.05 |
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有沒有?新加坡沒有移政稅啊?香港有沒有移政稅?所以在這一個一個新的布局的稱號所以我說川普當選你有很多制度你應該去想一想是不是應該要充分的來討論一下我們希望愛台灣 |
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10472.533 |
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做大台灣做強台灣然後多多照顧這些年輕人你看看在新加坡新加坡啊他大學畢業平均的薪資大概是多少一畢業進入這些企業單位薪水是多少大概是八九萬九萬的新台幣 |
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好,我們現在公營這個機關的這些招新人員的時候,大學畢業考進來的話,底薪是多少?各個公司應該不太一樣,對。好,隨便你講兩間。臺營多少?臺營新進的員工?進菜啦,進菜講幾間? |
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大學畢業剛考進來啦剛考進來應該4、5萬吧差不多吧4萬沒有到4萬啦你們大概是3萬多啦不管啦我的意思就是說你3萬多人家新加坡就是9萬啦人才大量的流失啊 |
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沒有的話你去台灣查查看啊臺大職工系每次畢業的大概200個學生大概一半以上可能跑去香港跑去新加坡啊人才沒有留在台灣不為台灣的企業所留用好可惜啊所以部長希望你好好來思考一下包括川普當選以後國安基金現在的規模是多少 |
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目前是五千億五千億要不要思考調高到一兆以上讓台灣更有韌性讓台灣面對各種挑戰的時候可以更加從容的應付所以部長我覺得 |
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財政部部長不是只有管錢進出進出過路財神而已啊其實你的一舉一動可以帶動臺灣10年20年包括離島可能是一個長遠的一個發展所以拜託部長在稅制上好好思考一下怎麼樣對臺灣是最大的幫助包括剛剛所講的那個以外還有 |
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全世界沒有娛樂稅啊娛樂稅要不要重新調整還也有一個對你們稅收最穩定你們最開心的政交稅當沖現來的擠來不及當沖降稅現在已經快11月一晃就12月了你今年年底的日落條款就到了 |
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當沖降稅年底之前會不會過?你有沒有把握?目前案子在大院當然是由大院來進度是由大院我們也希望能夠在今年年底以前能夠定案那明年才可以順利的定案我們下午才要再協商而已你協商要送到院會還要待多久的冷凍期啊所以希望部長可以思考一下剛剛以上本席所說的質詢加油謝謝 |
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主席、在場的委員先進、列席的政府監事長官員、會長工作夥伴、媒體記者女士先生有請莊部長和賦稅署宋署長 |
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10688.506 |
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委員好部長好 署長好我從你們的土地呃 飼料成業稅啊有看到一個土地稅的一個實力側來看一下 來 |
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國務卿先生說這個漲價不能是地主的不勞而獲,平均地權要造價徵稅,漲價要歸公。請問漲價歸公的邏輯是什麼?是因為地主他的地價不是他的貢獻造成的,是因為政府的公共建設,是因為社會的繁榮,是這樣的嗎? |
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沒有錯,漲價歸功就不是自己的勞力、努力支出的,然後因為整個成長以後,那這個漲價的部分應該要歸功那地價除了會上漲,除了社會的發展,還有政府的建設投資之外,還有什麼會決定地價的不一樣?下一頁 |
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當然買賣買賣啦不是啦是關於我們都市計畫土地的劃分啦你是住宅區商業區工業區還是農業區對不對是啊所以這是由誰決定的地方政府決定的嗎政府對產業發展有需求都市計畫更動地主被動接受好壞全民運氣你就這樣公平嗎 |
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當然因為你劃分到不同的都市計畫的區位以後,自然對於地價的估算上就有不同了。是啊,那地主他完全不能決定非同接受,如果被劃成農業區呢?使用限制就不同,對,使用限制也不一樣。好,那我們來講農民,最近的國土計畫引起農民很關切。農民啊,假設呢,有兩兄弟,一個繼承糧田,他的農地呢,目前的國土計畫,他不可能變耕,用來做農業使用,但是氣候變遷造成農產欠收,他不見農農維生啊。 |
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但是如果他的地地繼承到的土地是貧瘠的經過國土計劃法都市計劃手段後呢他可能怎樣化為非農業使用資產暴增你覺得這樣子繼承到農地難道是一種原罪嗎繼承到糧田難道是一種原罪嗎理論上合理嗎 |
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現在的農民就算你繼承了糧田生產力再高豐收你的銷貨收入可能還遠不如一塊平均的農地去種光電或者都市計畫之後它的地價暴增你知道這個情況嗎?那你的全人類願不願意幫助農民? |
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幫助農民當然是政府整體的好那你怎麼幫助你作為一個財長怎麼幫助稅法我們來看一下來人民為什麼要繳稅因為要嗯繳稅繳稅是什麼人民要對國家有貢獻嘛對是不是我的收入越高我繳的稅越多對如果我繳的稅超過我應該對國家的貢獻會不會退稅 |
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因為如果你是超過的話當然是會有稅稅我是個農民我幫國家維持糧食生產維持糧田讓他做農業生產但是田富的價值很低啊過去的提案遠少於農民維持國家糧田的貢獻所以我們國家才停征田富嘛對不對 |
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農民對國家的貢獻遠大於他的田腹所以就不用繳了對不對那你財長你會支持嗎 |
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停徵填富你支持吧?你不會要求要復徵填富嗎?不會啊不會好那我們來看一下你知道土地稅法22條有一個規定喔農業用地是徵收填富對不對但是都市土地他如果是屬於公共設施尚未完整前仍然做農地使用者他是不是不收地價稅改徵填富? |
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對阿改正阿田屋就不用繳嘛所以就免稅嘛對不對假設我是一個工廠老闆我買了一塊工業區的土地但是因為道路還沒有完盡我沒辦法開始生產營運所以我就不會有營業所得稅不只如此如果我要維持繼續農業生產國家不會給我增地價稅還不會給我收田負對不對是不是這樣子 |
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對啦我都市計劃內如果化為工業用地道路會完整再我繼續做農業使用你是不徵稅的嘛22條寫得很清楚不熟嗎沒錯啦沒錯好但是如果我的農地上因為政府沒有給我做農業灌溉設施所以我的農地的生產力很低落那你政府要怎麼辦 |
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你不能給我免稅啊我已經怎樣我已經是免徵填付啦你怎麼補償我工廠的老闆可以免徵地價稅只要他繼續做農業使用我的農地上政府沒有做給我做灌溉設施你怎麼補償我這個部分在主管的農業部應該會有相關的一個類似他們有他們的一個做法你猜到了一部分但我再跟你提醒一個部分有沒有聽說過負所得稅 |
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負所得稅曾經在冒險的一個資料裡面,泰國的他姓一個陳總理提出負所得稅,用這個方式來解為社會不平等,有沒有聽過? |
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有喔?不只不用繳稅,國家要給他錢。什麼情況下呢?來給你看。您說的沒有錯,綠色環境給付,這是農業部的。因為農民他幫國家維持優良的糧食生產的環境,所以呢,會給他綠色給付。但這個綠色對地給付呢,比照司法院所認為的每一個人民的必要生活費呢,是遠遠不足啊。 |
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也就是說我們的司法院認為一個人民他應該維持生活的最低收入如果換在農糧署現在綠色環境給付的對地補助上是不夠的你覺得怎麼辦 |
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如果農民的年金所得加上農業部給他的綠色環境給付還不足以維持司法院所認為的生活所必須有沒有可能我們用負所得稅的方式來思考一下怎麼樣維持農民的基本生活 |
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| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
主席站起來了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
請言譽．如果經常農地有農用適時．當農民的年淨所得．加上綠色環境給付等計劃政策補助．少於司法院所定的每月生活所必須數額的年總和時．請用副所得稅的概念．來政策補足農民的基本生活．請就這個可行性提一個書面報告給本席．一個月內可以嗎?好,謝謝委員一個月夠喔,你長得這麼爽快我看你對副所得稅還不是很清楚勒? |
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需要多少時間?署長需要多少時間?署長一個月夠嗎?付所得稅喔! |
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| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
財政部的政策補助、綠色對地補助再怎麼樣也不能滿足它 |
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我們要解決農民因為農地被限制不得做其他使用但是農業生產又很難維持他基本生活這個困境國家要面對好不好謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
5百多億嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
11210.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
您可能要對著麥克風說在歷年來說其實我們對美國的差一直是在提升的就對美國的出口是在擴張的是的所以從川普他 |
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| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
進選時候的政見包括他對於所謂科徵基本關稅進一步提高不公平國家的關稅稅率這個部簽看起來他在1月20號就職以後應該會朝這個方向來進行所以我們目前2023看起來是400多億塊500億那我們是不是所謂的不公平貿易國家在我們的認知裡面我們會不會被列為不公平貿易國家 |
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這個部分其實在上週的時候我們的召委在委會有提到專案報告我們覺得要關注這個議題也就是說我們對他的這個差順差一直在擴大的話所以我們現在是一個要等著給保護費然後不知道保護費夠不夠的國家我們一直在插雷彈 |
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關務署這邊我們有所謂的關稅也是我們的工具那目前為止如果按照川普他們的智庫提出來的有幾個國家第一個是中國第二印度、歐盟、台灣、越南跟泰國如果按照他們的標準要提升所謂的平均關稅差距的話 |
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嚴重影響的大概是印度他會提升到88%逆差將近會減少88%臺灣也蠻嚴重會影響到59%第三名是越南44%也就是說他對中國的逆差還沒有像我們這個差距來的這麼大所以其實工研院我們也很擔心接下來會影響到的關稅我想請問一下如果他們提升關稅部長我們有沒有相對應的武器可以使用 |
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他們對我們加徵關稅我們也可以對大家加徵關稅嗎?我覺得這個部分變成是一個貿易的一個互相的一個報復那我們看到我們輸出到美國的主要的產品裡面 |
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11326.112 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
11328.033 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
所以關稅我們台灣的關稅沒什麼用是嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
11351.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
11354.382 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
因為我們是WTO的會員,所以相關的稅率我們是按照部委的﹗ |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
11368.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
11396.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
報告委員我們的那個稅率都是立法院要三讀通過是所以我們立法院要幫你的忙否則你沒有工具是嗎就是各部會如果評估的話這個是我們接下去要做相關的處理重點是我再講一條一次要付保護費要知道自己要付什麼保護費然後我們有什麼因應之道有什麼辦法可以應對我想這個是我們今天關心的焦點好嗎好署長請回我想請部長留步那請賦稅署署長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
11398.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
國產署署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
11403.561 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
11430.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
部長其實我們在司法院的統計裡面看到最高行政法院他其實有非常多行政訴訟的狀況那行政訴訟的數量裡面統計出來對第一名的叫做土地事件大概有118件的行政訴訟那這是最高法院稅捐事件大概是113件這兩個就將近佔了三成到四成所以土地事件稅捐事件大概都是財政部的案子對吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
11431.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
11449.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
你們一年有多少相關的訴訟案件?您是指司法院裡面還是行政法院裡面?司法院統計年報最高行政法院有統計第一名叫土地第二名叫稅捐第一個跟委員報告國產署這個部分大概他是屬於私權的部分所以他應該是走民事訴訟的部分 |
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| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
11474.314 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
在行政救濟的部分其實大部分他不會走到行政救濟那邊來所以土地的案件大概土地的案件大概可能就是屬於一般的民事案件大概跟國產署之間的其實應該沒有那麼大的高的數量我們現在統計的是行政訴訟案對行政訴訟來說土地的案件應該不會在國產署這邊的沒關係我現在問你一年要花有多少這樣的訴訟件數復稅數就復稅的部分請署長來就統計數字 |
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我跟委員報告目前我們手上的統計數字就是打到行政訴訟的如果是中央稅的部分佔比是大概百分之我以112年度為例大概佔比是8.45%就2744件裡面屬稅捐案件是232件 |
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那地方的部分呢是2319件裡面稅捐的案件17件占比是0.73%相對的是說國產署還有賦稅署其實跟民眾的官司其實不少那在112年的時候行政院曾經頒定一個計畫就是有關律師法跟專計轉任公務員條例增訂了所謂機關跟公立學校可以設置所謂的公職律師的制度部長 |
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這個公職律師的制度要延攬一定職業經歷的律師來機關裡面提供相關的服務還有參與法律案的研議但是在112年提出這個計畫之後財政部如果依照你們有這麼多的相關的訴訟也好不管是民事的還是行政訴訟你有考慮引進行政院這樣的計畫嗎 |
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目前為止好像只有衛福部還有國防部有來申請財政部從頭到尾連提計畫都沒有是嗎對我們大概調查過其實認為沒有這樣的一個需要因為目前相關的我們相關的訴訟會由我們內部的法務人員來做如果有需要的話也會委請外部的律師所以部長我想問一下請你統計你現在所有的機關你一年有花了多少相關的費用在請律師 |
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所以如果按照你剛剛講的那些訴訟因為行政訴訟是律師強制代理所以如果有的話是不是會變成賦稅署他的一個負擔 |
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這個部分我們來調查一下相關我們在所以我的意思是說行政院有這樣的計畫相關的單位有提出需求但是我們看到可能最多行政訴訟的機關叫財政部但是他們完全不甩這個行政院這個機制有點奇怪這個機制難道我們行政院推動來之後自己的機關都不願意參與這很奇怪 |
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我現在看到教育部還希望有17個內政部2個國防部3個財政部0個欸財政部有這麼多行政訴訟拜託我覺得公職律師如果是有需要的話其實可以節省我們的成本而且也可以讓更多在你的內部就可以做相關的處理如果你花的錢可以請到公職律師在裡面可以節省掉成本第二個也可以增加 |
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期關參與行政院推出這個法案推出這個計畫的好意啊好不好所以財政部所來不考慮行政院這個計畫不是不考慮我們還是要了解一下第一個就是實際的效益情況112年到現在了已經多了一年多了我們也調查過只有國防部還有衛福部所以其他的機關我覺得財政部也應該參與討論好嗎這是你算一算你每年花的錢跟你 |
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用公職律師花的錢還有效益上面我覺得希望你們做個評估尤其是你們訴訟大概是全部機關裡面應該是最多的我們在效益的部分再來考量 |
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那就麻煩一個月之內把這個部分回覆給我最後一個問題就是部長你這幾天大概都在討論財化法的問題啦財化法現在國民黨的修法版本好像還沒有確定但是民進黨還有行政院目前也是不推動相關的修法但是部長在今年11月 |
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蕭美琴副總統曾經參與了工商總會的慶祝大會工商總會在2023、2024的全國工業總會白皮書裡面都有明白的提出來他們建議要修正財政收支劃分法部長有看到他們的白皮書嗎? |
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所以如果說執政黨要用在野黨和修財化法是為了掏空國家所以也是把工業總會列為掏空國家的一個對象嗎? |
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最主要是說因為在沒有完整的討論審慎的規劃之前所以我們希望你們完整討論希望你們審慎規劃但是不是提出修正意見就是掏空國家我要再次強調工業總會也提一樣的意見財政部不要再假裝沒看見 |
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這個白皮書已經2023、2024的白皮書都已經做成而且副總統也是參加工業總會的慶祝大會我想還是一樣接下去財委會包括院會都會處理財化法我希望部長你們還是要提出你們認為多少的垂直分配是可以接受的 |
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如果在一個國家可以超徵4千億的情況下補足2千多億讓地方政府能夠多一點財源並不是萬惡不赦部長我希望在我們協商之前可以看到行政院的版本 |
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謝謝委員 謝謝 |
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謝謝黃珊珊委員接著我們請吳立華委員謝謝謝謝主席有請部長請莊部長 |
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等下會涉及到國庫署、賦稅署。委員好。部長好。部長,你有聽過小米酒嗎?有啊。喝過嗎?喝過啊。好喝嗎? |
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因為這個傳統釀酒的文化曾經就是在接觸我們國民政府時代那因為酒的取得越來越便宜越來越方便所以傳統釀酒文化就失傳 |
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現在很多時候甚至是透過部落大學大家會透過活動、研習、課程等等來辦理如何製作傳統的小米酒可是很容易被檢舉 |
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那被檢舉之後呢很容易就會被開罰像新聞這個畫面當年很出名的原因是他本身是頭目那按照文化呢祭典一定要有頭目他們親自釀的酒可是遭人檢舉整個那一次祭典的酒全部被帶走他們耿耿於懷喔 |
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他們覺得很奇怪到現在都還沒有還他們喔但是我要講的是說為什麼會有人檢舉 |
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因為就是有處罰的問題那有哪些法呢舉個例子像菸酒管理法還有他的一些相關規定現在有提到可以私釀自用他的規範是每戶100公升以下供自用就不罰但是如果你販售即便未滿100公升會開罰什麼呢私釀跟違法販售 |
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要不然你就要去申請制酒業者所以我們通常就是會去找一些有酒牌的像一般制酒業者、農民或原住民制酒業者但是他因為會涉及到土地的問題、廠房的問題其實手續很繁複 |
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而且門檻很高所以通常也不太有人會去做這樣的事情導致大家通常都必須要去找到一些有酒牌的合作但是利潤很低我要講的就是說他其實是不利於商業化那我們先講開罰的問題我剛剛提到的那些其實大家一直沒弄懂當有人檢舉警察來了 |
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我們都不曉得說他到底是怎麼認定的所以我想先請教請教那個部長以前就是被抓到有私釀販賣再犯的話他是加倍罰現在那個罰還在嗎因為我也關心過質詢過 |
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這個部分執行的細節我可不可以請署長來做說嗎?好,謝謝署長。我們這個都是按照菸酒管理法裡面的規定在處罰,沒有說加倍啊。那就是稅啊?稅?沒有,不是。稅的部分。 |
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包括委員目前對112年度來調查過因為委員關心這一點特別去調查沒有裁罰的案件就是沒有加倍罰沒有像有些他私釀喔被抓被檢舉他也不過賣個兩瓶然後他再犯結果變成以前是50萬後來變成100萬 |
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我明天主席法我非常確認112年度沒有財法的案件那沒關係先確認一下因為我有確認過應該是你們修掉了好沒關係那我先問一下部長如果說幫鄰居製作然後收取公本費這樣子有沒有違法 |
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那法律應該沒有禁止這樣做沒有禁止這樣做那再請教一下如果朋友來到家裡看到他自製的小米酒他就想要跟主人說不要送啦我補貼你一點成分這樣算不算販售違法 |
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那請問像這種祭典陳列在那邊的祭典用酒有沒有違法為什麼他沒收之後也不返還 |
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委員您是不是可以告訴我們實際案例,我們確實去了解一下到底是什麼樣的信息以及引用的是哪一個法規,確實是這樣好,那就再到辦公室,我會把這些案件做一個釐清嘛,對不對為什麼我要這樣子講,因為你就是有那個法債嘛 |
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所以就會有人檢舉嘛有檢舉呢那個認定也不知道怎麼認定然後就開罰其實這個是很微薄很小的事情可是我們的族人往往會面對很嚴重的一個罰則跟罰金說實在他們來澄清有時候我們也不知道怎麼幫忙其實你們的這些財稅局單位 |
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說實在也很同情可是法就是在那邊也不知道要怎麼幫忙而且是很重很重那我現在是要想第二個問題我要講的是財政部、國庫署、賦稅署 |
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第8條 |
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他的課稅啤酒是用每公升徵收26元其他釀酒他是每公升按酒精成分每度徵收7台幣7元那蒸餾酒類的也是每公升每度再制酒類呢他也是每公升每度 |
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料理酒每公升徵收新台幣9元其他酒類每公升每度徵收7元酒精是每公升徵收15元所以我們可以看到那個有每度的就很可怕了 |
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以我們一瓶1000cc的小米酒假設它的販售價格一般是賣350元可是因為它的酒精濃度15%它就變成要105元的稅金所以利潤很薄所以我們常常講文化不應該是只有在博物館裡面的博物館化 |
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我們文化如果沒有辦法邁向經濟的行為他就何以為繼無以為繼所以我常常覺得原住民的文化受到限制很多所以聯合國他們一直也很重視這個問題所以我要講的是 |
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其實我們在很多的像臺紐經濟貿易協定這個是我們前幾年很重要的第一個協定喔國際協定他就有原住民專章那當然很多年前我們在炒的米酒之亂他也是因為WTO的互惠原則可是我們很認真很努力的談判最後談出一個料理酒的每公升酒源 |
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我要說的是我們能不能夠也很努力的去為原住民在地的本土文化來去做一個談判因為這也是我們的飲食文化我們也可以用原住民專章的概念來去做研議調整我想聽聽看就是部長您的看法 |
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委員對於我們原住民的生活文化其實也是生活的一部分其實就是他們的日常生活比如釀酒也是他們長久歷史以來所存下來的那在這個部分能不能有一些特別性的一些做一些不同的規範我想這個部分我們可以研議好不好好 謝謝部長因為這個很重要啊我們看到其實這幾年我們也都被鼓勵 |
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生物多樣性、多元文化、文化來附贈但是原住民的文化這一百年來你應該很清楚日本人進來大概就死掉三分之二國民政府再來透過各種的法令我們的文化曾經一度真的是已經業客磨叽了 |
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那這幾年很謝謝從2000年以後從陳水扁政府時期非常的重視原住民的文化復正那族群主流化也是賴清德總統很重要的一個政見所有的原住民轉型正義應該要落實到各個部會 |
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所以像很多法令的限制那個是掐死我們的命脈所以呢很高興聽到部長您這麼說願意來想辦法研議那我希望這個要有期程要有積極性的作為可以嗎部長謝謝委員好謝謝部長那也請兩個署可以一同的來努力好謝謝主席 |
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謝謝吳立法委員可以提案修正菸酒稅法我會支持我們也會提接著那個你要不要跟孟愷換一下孟愷沒有來嗎還沒啦對的就是不是啊王世堅委員來了嘛讓他先那個嘛跟洪孟愷委員換一下嘛不要OK好洪孟愷你要先念嗎 |
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邱志偉、邱志偉、邱志偉不在、鄭振銓、鄭振銓、鄭振銓不在、鄭天才、鄭天才、鄭天才不在、葉遠之、葉遠之、葉遠之不在。 |
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租賃公司成了二職建商養地草房 |
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他們很大的幫兇也就是說我們本國銀行受信透過租賃公司受信的額度3892億裡面八家公股行戶佔了1359億而這三大租賃公司數條三兄弟最大 |
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他們佔了這1359億裡面非常大的一個額度是借給這些惡質建商那麽本來我們政府中央銀行的規定對於說行庫銀行貸款 |
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給建商本來有個限制限制就是說你不能超過當時存款金額的百分之三十有這個限制嘛但是額外開了一個巧門給這薯條三兄弟的時候變成薯條三兄弟是一個很大的破口所以這個部分 |
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我認為公股、行庫責無旁貸當然是由財政部因為你們掌管了公股、行庫的股份董事長、總經理都是你派的那這個部分你認為應該怎麼處理 |
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謝謝委員對於這個有關融資租賃公司的資金的一個運用那也跟委員報告目前八家公股行戶貸給融資租賃業的大概1100億那給三大融資租賃公司目前的貸款餘額是617億那至於剛剛委員所提到那個確實是就是說融資公司如果把錢 |
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借給不動產業者的話那就破了那個銀行法72條之二那個30%的一個變成一個漏洞甚至有沒有可能融資公司另外成一個投資公司然後透過投資公司又去代給不動產業者這個確實要非常的重視那我們這個部分呢金管會也已經正在處理那我們對於公股、行庫的部分我們也請他們在上個禮拜五還是禮拜十就已經請 |
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他們來告訴他們說這個要加強查核第一個 一個加強貸錢的審核第二個就最重要是貸後管理就是他的資金流向要能夠確實去檢核是不是原來跟你貸款的資金的用途是不是用在那個方面而還是走到另外一個管道去流到不動產這個部分確實要做加強的檢核如同委員所說的對貸後的這個 |
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那經濟部只能依公司法管 |
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我為什麼提到這個問題非得財政部處理不可因為公營行庫其他民營行庫那當然這不關財政部的事但是公營行庫他是我們財政部掌管公股 |
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而且掌管了他們的董事長總經理所以你有交辦他們去查查這點很好但是我希望你給他們一個期限他多久時間內給你一份報告可不可以查查說他在授信前的 |
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管理、待放跟受信號的追蹤這個部分（可以（他要一個報告給你可不可以（可以我們一個月以內一個月以內（一個月以內（對（好那我搞不懂的就是說我們這些公營銀行戶有的很規矩啦你像第一銀行這種就規規矩矩彰化銀行也算規矩我上次就跟你講過我覺得不可思議像土地銀行想方設法 |
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要把我們供股的錢供股行庫的錢這是來自於我們人民辛辛苦苦的血汗錢去存款想方設法硬是要把它搬給這些二值的建商就是我上個禮拜在講的啊總共中央銀行另外規定貸款給建商購買空地 |
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18個月內一定要動工的這一條規定竟然有2180億這麼大這麼龐大的金額裡面有1100億是由土地銀行另外其他公股加起來也1000億的資金縱容給這些惡質建商去買地養地圈地難怪 |
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難怪我們臺灣四處22縣市從臺北市帶頭一路下來每個縣市房地產都在大漲那導致我們一般生土小民買不到房屋那買到房屋的現在也變成屋奴因為高房價 |
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那我們的中產階級本來還有餘裕的全部大家辛苦的血汗錢都被這個高房價那導致高房貸全部成為巫奴所以我們公營行戶不應該當作二職建商的幫兇不能助紂為虐啦所以 |
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另外這2180億超過18個月供股航顧貸款給這些二職建商的部分這個部分我要求你也應該 |
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要求公股、航空他們對這個部分做出追蹤然後做一個報告給財政部可不可以（可以這個部分我們會繼續追蹤（請他們積極的想出怎麼樣的方式去追回這些貸款去增加他們的利息額度、抬高額度 |
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我逼死建商要不你就規規矩矩開工要不你就把錢還給我們跟銀行戶這樣才對嘛不是嗎另外第二個問題就是說我一直認為我們國家我們這個囤房稅率太低啦你現在把囤房稅率的最高級距你定為4.8那事實上在很多縣市政府齁坦白講 |
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有幾個縣市政府齁我用四個字形容啦陽奉陰違啦我們有訂了這個稅率額度但是他們又害怕得罪這些草房族們所以都適度多次把他們調降我以新北市做例子 |
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新北市2018年把非自用住宅稅率從2.4%降到1.5%新竹縣也是把非自住的住宅稅率從2.5%降到1.6%所以很多地方政府因為不得罪所以就陽奉陰違所以我認為 |
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是不是我們應該把稅率基準直接把它入到入法林 入到我們定 |
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的這個法律稅法裡面直接把它定到法律裡面這個稅率那才不會讓各縣市政府礙於人情礙於各種奇奇怪怪的方式那個部長你知道嗎我們從這5年來啊這5年來我們囤房的人數從45萬增加到54萬這5年來喔囤房的人數 |
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45萬6千8百人2019年到今年54萬5千5百人增加了9萬人來加入囤房草房這是不可思議的事情所以部長現在的高房價現在大家的草房、囤房 |
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我個人認為最直接的方式就是從囤房稅我們應該直接立法而且直接提高 你看法呢 |
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跟委員報告這一次房屋稅條例的修正以後把相關的稅率有做一些調整那而且是全國歸戶而且是全數累進如果說他的房屋超過一定的數額的話是每一間都按這個高的稅率來課徵那另外除了稅率之外我們還是要考慮稅基的問題 |
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我們也督促各地方政府要去調整他的稅基也就是房屋課稅限制一定要去調如果你的稅率只是稅率調而稅基不去調的話根本達不到這樣的一個加重持有成本的就是說囤房的一個持有成本的這個部分所以這個兩路必須要並進 |
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那另外呢因為我們這個囤房稅這個部分是今年7月1號開始實施明年就開單那在整個來看我們會按照他的實施的情形來再做滾動的一個看檢視有沒有要做滾動的檢討其實還沒滾動之前我現在就預見到啦就我剛剛跟你講的嘛我認為這個稅率過低你算最高級距4.8而已嘛那比方說像新北市像新竹市他們地方政府擅自 |
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去把這個稅率調降基本上就不對啊就違反我們財政部要求的這個精神第一個我們在囤房的部分1.5的部分最主要是它有出租的部分也就是我們鼓勵我有房子除了自住以外我閒置的房子我就要用高的稅率但是如果我出租的話我就用1.5是希望把空的房子釋出來讓房屋的租賃市場有更充足的一個屋源這個部分另外如果說 |
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他規定的稅率和行我們財政部有定一個參考的稅率基準如果他沒有按照我們的稅率基準而且比我們這個低的話他如果有稅損的話中央是不給予補貼補助的有相關的有些道理但是我把結論跟你講結論是現在我們整體啊我們國家到今年為止空污率5年內的新房喔空污率高達34% |
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每三戶有一戶是空屋所以已經到這樣的地步已經很清楚很明顯的看到有草房族、囤房族他們運用我們稅制上這一部分寬鬆、稅率過低他們加緊草房、囤房所以導致真正需要房屋的青年朋友們、深斗小民們 |
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這個購屋之徒遙遙無期不打緊現在連租屋都成了大問題所以租屋的部分我下次再跟你談部長我要求你的就是財政部要拿出態度拿出主張而且要堅定堅定的這麼說要求公營航庫對於空地稅對於借庫 |
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把大量的金額2180億貸款給這些二值高負債建商去買地、養地、圈地這個一定要提出辦法叫他們交出這個報告限期他們要去改善第二點對於貸款給鼠條山兄弟也是要求他們一個月內做出這個報告要不然 |
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今天登記的發言的委員都已經詢答完畢 |
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本次會議做如下決議說明及詢答完畢委員執行為其答覆或請補充資訊請財政部於週內以書面答覆委員要求期限者從其所定 |
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中華民國114年度中央政府總預算有關財政部賦稅署、臺北國稅局、高雄國稅局、北區國稅局及所屬、中區國稅局及所屬、南區國稅局及所屬、關務署及所屬、國有財產署及所屬、歲出預算部分暨 |
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融資財源調度均令則其繼續審查本次會議委員若有相關預算提案請於11月25日星期中午12點以前競送財政委員會議事人員收件本次會議議程已進行完畢堂友不在場委員補題書面質詢一併列入紀錄刊登公報並請議事人員協助處理上會謝謝 |
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一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、 |
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月19日,國有財政部財政部委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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議員議員議員 |
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6月1日, 中華民國財政委員會第11屆第2會期財政委員會第2會期財政委員會第3會期財政委員會第4會期財政委員會第5會期財政委員會第6會期財政委員會第7會期財政委員會第8會期財政委員會第9會期財政委員會第8會期財政委員會第9會期財政委員會第9會期財政委員會第10會期財政委員會第10會期財政委員會第11會期財政委員會第11會期財政委員會第11會期財政委員會第11會期財政委員會第11會期財政委員會第11會期財政委員會第11會期 |
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9月1日。﹗ |
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日。﹗ |