| IVOD_ID |
162715 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162715 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-19T10:31:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-19T10:44:25+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/19817250edeb8a73c3b7dd545433c773eab13042bab466e3fe48e1f12328ce24004998842fe26b305ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:31:41 - 10:44:25 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、衛生福利部邱部長泰源、法務部、海洋委員會海巡署就「近三年菸酒管理法對於私菸（含電子菸 加熱菸）查緝成效與菸品健康捐經費分配及運作使用情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【6月18日及19日二天一次會】） |
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這個我們本委會我們是可以來肯定我們的邱部長我們希望邱部長都可以親自到了我們希望財務會所監督的各部會一定各部會所長我們有開會一定要親自到來 請謝謝主席請財政部莊部長 衛福部邱部長兩位部長請 |
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兩位部長好 主委院長有宣示長照3.0明年要上路我們看一下 按照衛福部的估算 今年長照支出是343億 明年增加到469億按照長照法的規定 我們的長照支出來自遺產稅 菸稅跟菸捐 |
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那可是我們看一下啦我們先看一下這個長照基金長照基金呢今年前五個月呢一族長照基金的四大主要稅收呢來自房地合一稅、菸稅、遺產稅跟證語稅那其實呢都減少了我們看一下房地合一稅呢這個前五個月呢是撥入了140億但是呢跟去年同期減少了44億年減24%然後呢菸稅菸稅也減少了 |
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這個雖然預租107億但是年減1.7%這個是長照基金 房地合約稅跟菸稅這個剝落金額都有減少好 那我們再看一下下一張表 |
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這個走失嚴重那也造成這個我們長照的財源短少我們從比較110年到113年110年的煙捐跟煙稅有780億然後到113年只剩下684億然後這3年下來短少了97億那請教一下莊部長好了這個煙捐跟煙稅少了97億是好事還是壞事 |
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有兩種來看,第一個就是說如果吸菸人口減少的話,那當然就是減少那如果是因為非法,就是所謂的私菸,私菸情況沒有能夠查緝到的話以至於這樣的一個稅或捐沒有能夠課徵到的話,那就是不是好事那部長你認為是哪一種可能性比較大?我們的吸菸率有下降嗎? |
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我想這個部分都有,因為現在大家對健康意識也比較強,那當然我覺得在相關的一些健康的宣導上也一直都努力在做那你認為走私嚴不嚴重?加熱液、電子煙嚴不嚴重?走私的部分呢,不管是我們海關也好,還有這個地方政府也好,都加強的查緝 |
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對 那我按照你們的資料啦這個113年你們查獲了這一個菸品件數有1120萬包市價7億然後112年呢 查獲了這一個1747萬包市價8.59億可見呢 走私是非常嚴重的好 那再請教一下這一個我們邱部長好了那走私 |
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加熱煙很嚴重 按照衛福部給的資料 財政部給的資料113年違法加熱煙比116年相比增加了130萬包然後到本年5月 查獲的違法加熱煙與去年同期相比又增加了47萬包 接近48萬包 |
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然後呢 加熱菸走勢這麼嚴重呢有一個很大原因我想剛剛很多委員都提到了是不是我們現在對於這個加熱菸的這個健康風險評估的審查一直遲遲沒有結果這個是不是一個造成一個很大的原因 |
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好 我想報告委員我想這個是有相關有相關對 部長你有認為有相關好 那這個為什麼我看一下你們資料啦現在是有有六家進入健康風險評估的十次審查是不是六家有六家進入十次審查那我看它後面都是進度不一樣進度有一點不一樣對 進度不一樣我看後面都是打三角形打三角形就是審查中嘛 |
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那請問一下這個打三角形審查的時候大概是審查多久了這個最長是審查多久了目前最長的審查就是第一家比較完整的審查他是從112年的6月底送進來的就等於是7月的時候送到112年那今年是114年 |
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那所以你們審查這個沒有delay嗎?就可以無限期審查下去嗎?我們原則上是希望6個月加6個月但是會扣除中間業者在補件的時間因為那是屬於業者他的不是我們審理的時間所以要給予業者更寬容的時間那所以6加6這個看起來也是超過期限但是我剛剛提到的業者在補件的時間那一段要扣掉 |
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因為這個都是我原先審查那其實這個我們不會特別去給你一個期限說你一定要哪個時候審查出來但是這期限也拖太久我問一下邱部長你會不會覺得這期限拖得有點久 |
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我想最主要是能和能夠確保風險的問題 這是最重要的問題但是呢 第一個 我是認為啦 署長 YES或NO我覺得就講清楚我們作為行政機關 你YES或NO我覺得講清楚 最怕拖 你不合格你就退掉 |
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立決合格就讓他進來讓他進來的好處當然就是這個煙稅跟煙捐其實也增加了這個本來要課的稅本來就應該要課只是因為現在你們沒有讓他合法所以就變成一種走私結果大家也在抽加熱菸但是稅也收不到現在的困境就是這樣子所以我是請教一下邱部長 |
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你認為這個從去年112年就有開始審查到現在也超過兩年的時間你有覺得這個審查時間有稍微久了一點嗎 |
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當然審查的時間是一件事情另外就審查的流程是不是有延宕這部分因為可能要有給他恢復的一個時間這個我都同意風險評估這個是法律規定的我也同意全民的健康我也都同意我們不會讓行政部門有延宕的 |
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但是我是覺得說我們也不要當鴕鳥因為你明明知道說現在加熱菸其實在使用加熱菸的很多從三個方面來那個第一個就是說審查委員的共識把那些規定啊標準大家寫了一個更多的共識第二個在這個部長啊這個我都沒有意見我的意思是說因為 |
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你既然有一個風險評估但是呢 就是你yes or no你要跟人家講清楚就是你不要懸在那邊你懸在那邊 我跟你講過了嘛這個走私的照常走私我們該扣的稅也扣不到然後呢 那你就審查在pending那邊那也沒有什麼動作我認為行政機關不能這樣子啦 |
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好我想我們一定站在人民的健康以及社會的一個像走私如果因為這樣真的是形成走私那就是不是一個好的狀況我們最是一個社會的問題最要解決 |
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我們政府就是要解決問題的我想任何問題出來我們就來解決請委員放心我們一定用最快的努力最大的努力來解決這一個大家所關心的問題所以今天不是是催促你說你一個月兩個月三個月就會要有結果出來我們會盡快開相關的會議絕對不會延遲任何的行程因為拖延拖太久了這就變成是說我們行政機關的問題 |
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所以我一直覺得說你如果覺得說那你交出來的報告不好不對你就退回去你就直接換個差也可以嘛因為兩年前那個時候我也是未還的立法委員我很清楚這怎麼組成的那都按照辦法在做可是一旦用這種審查的方式其實它的困難度就會真的會增加很多像美國的第一個Amin審呢 |
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美國審第一個加熱菸審了四年多所以你覺得兩年還好就對了我們不是依那個為那是因為美國他剛剛一直審那其實我們是有這個基礎在審其實應該不用到四年的時間吧對不對我已經從一直跟他報告我們一定用好意到社會的問題好意到整個 |
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民情還有考慮到專業考慮到人民的健康的綜合下我們一定依法來辦理我覺得都有共識啦全民的健康那也顧慮到有社會的共識然後呢我們也希望說合法化之後呢我們的菸捐菸稅能夠增加因為現在長照的確也需要 |
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這個其實都支持但是我的問點或是很多的立委的重點其實在於是說因為你在那邊不上不下太久了那個三角形已經放很久了嘛那你也不給個答案我認為這樣不對你覺得不合格你就退回去那你如果覺得可以你覺得你覺得可以那你就讓它合法化我覺得應該是這樣子做才對啦我覺得不能夠一直pending在那邊然後你也不做任何的決定啊是好 那我問一下這個莊部長 |
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我們是不是有發個文啊給這個菸商啊請教一下說為持續提升茶器、菸品含加熱菸的效能還有防堵網路販賣違法菸品請菸商提出著建與建議這個文的用意在哪裡啊我想對於茶器對我們精進茶器而不遺餘力那當然這個部分我們也想聽一下他們的一些意見 |
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那為什麼 我很好奇為什麼會發文給菸商你是認為說 因為他們比較知道說這個走私危害到他們的這個正常的營業是這樣子嗎所以你就發文給這些菸商因為我是覺得產生不發文給菸商然後去問說怎麼去防範走私這個有點奇怪啦我想我們是徵詢相關的意見然後來做我們精進的一個參考 |
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那當然應該我們也知道其他國家也都有合法的販售所以我們想請看看他們能不能提供那這些其他國家在查緝上面的做法做我們的一個參考 是這個應該是我們自己內部你包含警政署 海巡署我們應該去做處理的這個內部我們也會我們下周就會再開一個會然後請他們大家提供一些更好的意見那院長有給你回覆嗎這個國庫署是不是來說明好 |
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我們發函,那菸商他們也都有提供相關的意見但是意見大部分就是希望說整個茶器走私是主決於官外然後如果在市面上的話,就是在市面上的相關市場或者是販售地點去加強茶器這個部長不好意思,我是覺得這個是凸顯了我們對於這個茶器試菸 |
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可能齁這個在力道上面齁有不足的地方結果呢我們自己內部當然你說你內部當然是有去做檢討去做聯繫我看你們還要加開什麼匯報之類的但是去問到這個菸砂我就覺得說好像是變成我們行政機關去 |
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這個這方面查緝私菸好像有做不到的地方還去問菸商跟我們講一下要怎麼去查緝,我覺得這個很奇怪啦是,謝謝委員的指教,我們再來參考好,謝謝主席謝謝李委員的質詢,現在請顏光文委員質詢,請 |