| IVOD_ID |
162709 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162709 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-19T10:19:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-19T10:31:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:12 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/19817250edeb8a73448f9a368c4ea9eaeab13042bab466e3fe48e1f12328ce24b9f0b68493ff28c75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴惠員 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:19:11 - 10:31:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、衛生福利部邱部長泰源、法務部、海洋委員會海巡署就「近三年菸酒管理法對於私菸（含電子菸 加熱菸）查緝成效與菸品健康捐經費分配及運作使用情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【6月18日及19日二天一次會】） |
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部長早安部長你們家有沒有人抽菸 |
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家有人抽煙抽電子煙還是抽紫煙紫煙紫煙那你想想看這個電子煙已經這麼普及了可是我們一直都沒有辦法那個主席暫停一下那個我的電腦跳不過去主席暫停一下出來 |
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是我們的壞掉還是他們壞掉 |
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主席我們繼續啦我想部長在這裡我要特別請教你一下就是說當你們家你的四周圍有這樣的一個抽菸的一個人口的時候那我們事實上有很大的一個困境因為我們抽水抽不到這個電子菸還是加熱菸 |
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這個2023年通過的1月12號通過 已經是790天了那所有這個 |
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就是我們的菸的一個稅戶跟那個健康狐狸間我們在這裡面臨到這樣的一個困境那部長 你有沒有什麼樣的一個看法竟然就是說我們之前的幾位委員一直遲遲的在質疑就是說我們的台酒公司送了五次送了五次的一個資料然後這五次全部都被退回是什麼樣的一個原因呢 |
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我們那個菸酒公司他確實有送件去申請跟衛護部申請所謂的要製加熱菸不過因為被退五次那相關的細節內容可能是我們國健署比較清楚國健署署長來你來說明為什麼台酒會被退了五次我不管另外那六家公司我就管台酒公司為什麼被你退了五次 |
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他寫的很差嗎?他的計畫寫的很差嗎?我們審查的最大的風險評估的標準那其實就是說所有的指定制菸品它的風險不得高於國內指驗的一個比較如果足以證明這樣的一個方式所以台酒公司送出去 |
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台酒公司送出去的所有的資料都不合乎你們的標準不是說所有 至少說它已經還是有一些那當然 因為它沒有辦法說服大家認同這個部分就是有些資料的缺少你已經不知道社會的問題存在哪裡 |
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上一屆我在衛環委員會 電子菸是我當召委的時候通過的結果2023年3月22號要去執行它 到現在完全沒有辦法執行為什麼我不請衛福部部長上來因為衛福部部長當初也是我們衛福部的委員其實我都認了幾次都會 |
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為什麼這些問題存在哪裡我相信所有的人在現場所有的人大家都搞不清楚只有你最清楚只有你最清楚問題出在哪裡為什麼讓這個這麼簡單的一個問題然後這個社會的一個對立面這麼大為什麼不要去處理呢 |
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你說你的委屈在哪裡 說給我們聽聽看我想這不是委屈 該行政來的時候 該有行政來的時候我們必須依法保障民眾最大的立法院那所以你能力很差 經過790天了你沒有辦法去執行它 為什麼審查的過程中一直都是要最完備最完整的情況下以民眾的健康完備那最完備完整 三讀通過了當初在立法院的一個送案就是不夠完備是不是這樣子 我可以這樣講咧 |
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不是這樣說,因為售遣給我們做這樣的審查,就要遵守審查委員對於相關的風險評估的一個審查我非常謝謝賴思寶召委今天排這個案子啊我跟你說,這個對我們執政黨的委員來講,我們是很委屈啊我們不知道怎麼樣去要求國建署啊 |
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國監署每一次在質詢的過程當中你同樣都是回答相同的問題你看連我們的台酒公司在上一屆換了就是跟這一屆是不同的一個董事長我們竟然要賭上這個台酒公司在半年如果沒有辦法通過的話執政黨的委員要他辭職這個有道理嗎 |
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當然是沒有道理啊 大家不好意思賣力啊是你的問題啊不是嗎我覺得這個讓我們很困境欸怎麼辦 |
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我想我們都會全力來協助五十萬的那也要依歸來辦理三個業內喔三個業內你可以提出我想我們會做最後的一個審查確認那也希望A組能夠把相關完整的資訊給我們最後的一個確認的審查要多久來 部長你回答 |
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第一個我想整個我希望健康署我們要求他把開會比如說委員為什麼投票不會通過他的理由以及缺乏的 |
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資料到底在哪裡,一次一次說清楚一次一次說清楚,不找三個業內,不能讓社會不瞭解你看嘛,你完全扣不到稅,然後你還要花到那麼多的一個社會的一個成本,那去抓他我想我們應該清楚的來瞭解這個過程,才讓全民知道說為什麼要這麼,走得這麼 |
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走得這麼辛苦是不是那要到790天到現在大家還這麼嚴肅的再來討論這些問題是你的審查卡關還是你其他的一個問題部長我們應該去面對這些問題我們不能把那個稽查的成本居高不下你讓這一些這一些其他的一個部會的這個社會成本是這麼高的沒道理啊好我們會站在人民健康以及他規劃的規定之下 |
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那個絕對是馬不停蹄來處理你的馬不停蹄要多久 三個月可以嗎我們很期盼三個月能夠不要期盼 我們用確定的因為這個是委員會啦 所以委員也必須要拜託業者能夠提供我們也希望業者真的是如果針對審查會提出的意見能夠 |
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符合就好像我們在科技上,科什麼的,我們就把它補好就好嘛你已經準備兩年,題目都給你們啊我是站在比較一個光穎的立場來看,其實行政單位也是努力 |
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505.201 |
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那專家寫者你不得因為當時兩年前就請這些專家寫者他們有他們的各種堅持或者是專業我跟你講這樣的一個模式我們必須要去做修正當已經很多的這個社會的聲音還有很多的 |
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委員在這裡提出了這麼多不同面向的一個問題你應該要去正視如果你再繼續不正視的話下一次我就再排 完全了解我們非常正視下一次就再排 謝謝部長來 那個我們那個彭署長署長來 請彭署長彭署長官務署的彭署長 |
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532.478 |
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560.894 |
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委員好彭署長 是那個我們就是這整個關戶數有幾個這個幾個關下面有四個關區有四個關區是哪一個關區它的規模是最大的以人數來說是台北關一千兩百多人最大那我請教你現在台北關它所有在倉庫裡頭囤放的那個寄放的物品最多的是哪一樣的一個物品 |
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目前加熱菸有20萬條是比較多加熱菸有20萬條那啤酒呢啤酒中國進口的啤酒多不多啤酒應該扣押的應該不算多中國進口的啤酒多不多他洗產地的多不多好那我再請問你太陽能板多不多 |
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589.513 |
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606.258 |
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都有那所以就是從加熱菸到這個那個中國啤酒到那個太陽能板跟委員報告扣押的沒有中國大陸的啤酒禮拜三我們到你的台北關來考察 |
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我們真正的去看到了到底就是我們整個關務署台北關存在的一個情況你到底是換了多少這個中國啤酒 換了多少太陽能板換了多少加熱菸 可以嗎老闆 委員 那個現在台應該是到基隆關因為那個中國大陸的啤酒是從基隆關好 那就去基隆關跟台北關 兩個關都看 |
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兩個關都看 好不好 趕快回去準備幹什麼準備就怎麼準備有沒有問題沒有問題 謝謝財政部部長我想今天本來要跟你討論一些那個菸煎的一個用途當然我們知道就是說長期以來這個菸煎的用途跟那個菸碎的那個用途其實是有差異性的 |
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那倒是特別要在這裡就是說 煙圈是不是夠那每一個人抽煙的人口其實一直在減少那當然我們知道煙圈是不夠的這個是來補助健保健保的一個它在一個總額的預算裡頭不足的地方那所以就是說沒有關係這個我們在私下就是說煙圈那個撥飽健保的一個強化健保的一個那個 |
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制度那我們私下在那個跟你要一些資料你再提供給我們那我們當然也看到國建署在今年也面臨到一個困境他已經開始就是去動用這個爭取公務的預算31億那我們希望就是抽菸的人口變少那我們也希望就是說 |
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這些抽菸的人口要共同的負擔我們國人的一個健康那在這裡是本席今天所做的一個質詢的內容謝謝 |