| IVOD_ID |
16267 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16267 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-36-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-14T08:31:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-14T12:20:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:48:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8d241381c4f8c7fc10c4563b5e5bf20a7931ae751f1d0721edb79b8bfb08e799ba3602ec23e667a95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、併案審查
（一）行政院函請審議「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員徐富癸等17人擬具「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案」案。
（四）委員林宜瑾等19人擬具「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案」案。
（五）委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案」案。
（六）委員陳冠廷等17人擬具「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案」案。
（七）委員范雲等16人擬具「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案」案。
【第（一）至（四）案如經院會復議，則不予審查；第（五）至（七）案各黨團若未提出不復議同意書，則不予審查】
二、併案審查
（一）行政院、考試院函請審議「中央行政機關組織基準法第二十九條及第三十九條條文修正草案」案。
（二）台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「中央行政機關組織基準法第二十九條及第三十三條條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員吳沛憶等20人擬具「中央行政機關組織基準法第二十九條及第三十九條條文修正草案」案。
（四）委員林宜瑾等19人擬具「中央行政機關組織基準法第二十九條及第三十九條條文修正草案」案。
（五）委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「中央行政機關組織基準法第二十九條及第三十九條條文修正草案」案。
（六）委員陳冠廷等16人擬具「中央行政機關組織基準法第二十九條條文修正草案」案。
【第（一）、（五）、（六）案各黨團若未提出不復議同意書，則不予審查；第（三）及（四）案如經院會復議，則不予審查】
三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院人事行政總處及所屬主管收支部分。
四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於行政院人事行政總處主管「中央公教人員急難救助基金」收支部分。
【第三、四案僅進行詢答】） |
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三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案 案 吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 案 吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 案 吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 案 吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 案 吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 案 吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織 |
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報告委員會出席委員9人以足法定人數請主席宣布開會。現在開會進行報告事項請宣讀上次會議議事錄。立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第12次全體委員會議議事錄。實現中華民國113年11月7日星期四上午9時至12時21分下午1時至4時12分地點本院紅樓302會議室 |
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出席委員謝文龍介等12人列席委員洪文孟凱等6人列席官員法務部部長鄭明謙等人主席吳昭紀委員鍾憲報告事項宣讀上次會議事錄決定確定討論事項繼續並案審查委員廖偉祥等18人擬具接避者保護法草案等7案決議一大體討論完畢進行主條審查二明稱第一條至第10條第12條至第19條含對應資格提案條文 |
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委員楊秋英等21人提案第4條第5條第8條第12條及第17條委員林月琴等17人提案第7條第9條第13條第14條及第24條台灣民眾黨黨團提案第18條委員徐草欽等19人提案第18條委員吳宗憲等4人所提修正動議均保留送院會處理三（委員林月琴等17人提案第8條照案通過 |
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四）第11條趙委員吳宗憲等19人提案通過。五）本案審查完具擬具審查報告提請院會公決需加入黨團協商。院會討論時由吳召集委員中憲出席說明。六條次引述條文部分文字及法制用自用於授權主席及議事人員整理。經表決未通過動議一案宣讀完畢。 |
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好,我們稍後再來進行議事的確認。接著介紹道場委員及應邀列席官員。先介紹這場委員,我們歡迎黃委員國昌。接著介紹應邀列席官員,包括行政院人事行政總處蘇俊榮人事長,歡迎您。以及常務副人事長,懷旭副人事長。 |
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以及公務人力發展學院陳明中院長歡迎您。接下來介紹全序部政務次長張秋元次長歡迎您。那麼其餘 |
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為即介紹的列席代表請參院名單不再逐一介紹並列入公報記錄。好那麼本次議程排定討論四項四案。第一、二案分別為並案審查行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案及中央行政機關組織基準法第29條及第39條條文修正草案。第三、四案 |
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分別為審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院人事行政總署及所屬主管收支部分及中央公教人員疾難救助基金收支部分 |
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本日會議程序一本會往例。機關於報告時就法案及預算案一併報告。詢答時採綜合詢答。詢答後再依議程所列順序。主案進行首先是討論事項第一二案法案 |
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於尋答後進行審查。第三、四案審查人種相關預算案。本次會議僅進行尋答,特此在做說明。好,那麼現在進行提案說明及機關報告。首先,先由機關來進行。請任…那個主席不好意思。你不是要說晚一點嗎?會議詢問。 |
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謝謝主席我的會議詢問是今天我們要處理的法案包括了行政院組織法還有中央行政機關基準法請問一下主席為什麼要處理行政院組織法竟然沒有請行政院的秘書長來列席 |
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這個目前行政院有來表示首先行政院組織法由人事總處他們來做說明另外我們這邊有收到他們的一個說明就是本院指派本院人事行政總處書務人事長俊榮代表列席兩個部分第一個 |
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要邀請什麼樣子的官員到我們的司法法制委員會來練習這件事情那基本上官員的成績跟準不準價這個是主席的權責主席的權責我都敬表尊重但問題是作為司法法制委員會裡面其中一個成員我覺得有一些意見還是要清楚的表達之前 |
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在處理行政院組織法的時候一例都是秘書長來司法法制委員會裡面進行列席報告因為有很多跟行政院組織相關的事項恐怕對人事長沒有不敬的意思但恐怕不是人事長的成績可以充分的來說明的那第二個部分之前已經有這樣子的例子了 |
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我希望我們的司法及法制委員會在開會的時候不要讓行政院把方便當隨便應該適當層級的官員來司法及法制委員會列席做說明的就應該要來不要派一個沒有真正 |
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在慣例上面可以處理行政院組織法層級的官員來這樣對司法法制委員會乃至於法案審理的慎重性恐怕都不是那麼適當我舉一個最簡單的例子2023年我們 |
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基本上在處理有關於只是部會名稱的調整這一件事情當初的召委也是我們執政黨的劉建國那時候安排的行政院組織法的變動就是請立法院就是請行政院的秘書長來列席做說明 |
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希望行政院以後在處理跟行政院組織法這麼重要關係的法案的時候秘書長該來立法院列席報告就來立法院列席報告否則的話在處理相關的法案上面恐怕行政院對於立法院在處理相關法案上面應該有的基本的尊重跟過去的議事慣例恐怕有所違背那最後 |
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既然召委都已經做了決定也點頭了那我們當然是尊重主席的才智那是不是行政院來函的那個內容是不是可以給所有司法法制委員會的委員一份副本然後讓大家瞭解我們的行政院到底是怎麼樣說明今天秘書長竟然沒有來只讓人事長上來代打以上 |
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好,謝謝黃委員的垂詢在這裡主席也做個說明本來依例行政院組織法來到本會進行審查會由秘書長來代表行政院做說明因此行政院是有表示星期四是行政院院會希望我們在本週的排程能夠安排星期三來審查行政院組織法 |
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但是由於同一個時間關涉到的運動部組織法也是需要由教育部長來進行報告那麼主席也有跟教育委員會進行協調那本週週四教育委員會是安排教育部的預算審查所以等於是在考量到如果星期四我們本會排教育部的 |
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運動部的組織法的報告那麼教育部長就很難兩邊兼顧在權衡考慮到其他教育文化委員會本週四希望能夠由教育部長列席報告預算那麼行政院在本週四上午又是行政院院會那如果說我們把今天的會議安排在星期三 |
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那恐怕呢在兩者權衡之間我們昨天的運動部的組織法如果排成行政院組織法就沒有辦法由教育部長行政院秘書長昨天可以來但今天省行政運動部組織法教育部長就不能來 |
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我們相信我們在委員會的運作跟行政院還有其他委員會是基於互相尊重我們也希望能夠跟教育委員會協調他們心急是不要排審預算讓教育部來報告運動部的組織法那這樣子本週三昨天我們就可以排審行政院組織法那麼行政院的代表秘書長也可以依慣例來出席總之這個議程的安排的確很難面面周到也非常感謝我們本會委員的體諒 |
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因此我們本週三還是排運動部組織法本週四排行政院組織法本週三我們就有邀請到教育部的政部長到會做說明本週四排行政院組織法行政院秘書長表達行政院、行政院院會所以就由人事長來做說明也在這裡一併說明剛剛希望的公文的部分我們就提供給我們本會的委員參考 |
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那本席也會將剛剛的說明的來龍去脈險要的附上希望委員參酌好接下來呢如果沒有其他詢問我們就進行機關報告那我們機關報告呢呃是先請行政院人事總處人事長蘇俊榮報告請就法案及預算案一併說明發言時間6分鐘請 |
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吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案。首先請就行政院組織法第三條及中央行政機關組織基準法第二十九條三十九條的修正草案進行報告,為落實總統推動全民運動,促進競技專業發展及強化運動產業等重大的政策, |
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2377.548 |
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本次行政院組織條整規劃成立應動部,相關組織法案共計八案,成門大宴排入議程交互委員會陸續審查,表達最誠實的謝意並感謝各位委員的辛勞。 |
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應東部兼廣大各界建研及相關部會充分討論將以全新的組織架構成立在應東部下徵社全民應動署以及行政法人國家應動產業發展中心並承接原來由教育部監督的行政法人國家應動訓練中心及國家應動科學中心 |
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共計成立一署三個中心因應本次行政院組織調整系統部修正行政院組織法增設運動部及中央行政機關組織基準法將部的總數由14調整為15進請大院各位委員先進支持完成運動部及相關法案立法作業 |
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接下來就總署一一四年的施政重點及預算編列情形進行報告。在顏額管理方面,為落實顏額總量管理及妥善配置政務之言,本總署將持續引導機關應用數位科技推行自研討檢討業務流程,協助機關進行業務減量,同時配合行政院重大政策方向,社會關注議題,核實配置能力。另外, |
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2478.256 |
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告合速發部政策方向以及數位化及AI工具應用狀況滾動調整115年的嚴格評鑑進行方式以強化政務人力支援的應用效能。在公務人員培訓方面以打造台灣成為智慧國家為中心配合國家重大政策規劃辦理高階人才國家政務班及高階領導研究班持續發展公務人員AI關鍵職能 |
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2504.047 |
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規劃開辦多元的公務人員AI通識智能課程以及建設推廣數位課程本總署也積極推動人事資料雲端保存及文件電子化業務另外在符合資訊安全及法規前提下根系推動生成式AI服務以簡化人之日常工作及提供優質人事服務為目標在提升 |
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2518.006 |
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整個公務職場環境方面一一四年軍公教員工待役經行政院合併至一一四年一月一號起調整三個百分比是至二十五年以來首度聯繫兩年條薪 |
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2520.257 |
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2536.897 |
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為了營造公部門友善生養環境,持續推動員工托育服務,充實托育設施網站支援以及深化員工協助方案互效能。另外,持續了解各個機關公使及勤修新制落實情形以保障公務人員健康權。 |
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在一百一十四年的預算部分本總處及所屬稅率預算編列三千九百一十萬八千元較上個年度法定預算四二二九萬七千元減少三一八萬九千元稅出編列二十六億兩千五百零六萬九千元較上個年度法定預算二十六億五千一百四十六萬元減少兩千六百三十九萬一千元 |
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2566.738 |
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2580.785 |
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中央公教人員急濫救助金114年收入編列622萬3千元支出編列105萬3千元以辦理限職公教員工急濫救助貸款項目包含三病醫護 |
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2586.77 |
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三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具〈行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案〉 |
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提升及合理化三大施政策略推動專業及前瞻性的人力支援管理措施,落實國家勇氣發展的目標。禁請各位委員繼續會議支持。以上報告進行指教。謝謝。好,謝謝。那麼,其餘提出書面報告的有教育部國民及學前教育署副署長戴淑芬副署長。好,有沒有口頭補充? |
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其餘提出書面報告之列席機關如口頭補充其書面內容列入公報記錄。提案說明及報告發言完畢。相關書面內容請各位參閱並列入公報記錄。現在開始進行詢答。 |
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由於今日預計在詢答完畢之後我們會繼續進行討論事項第一案的法案之主條審查因此本會委員詢答時間為8分鐘非本會委員詢答時間為4分鐘均不再延長上午10時30分截止發言登記請登記第一位黃委員國常發言 |
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謝謝主席,麻煩有請人事長。請人事長。委員長。人事長好,辛苦了。處理行政院組織法,如同我剛剛會議詢問所講的,一例是應該要請秘書長來。不過秘書長今天很忙,主席也准假了,所以這件事情可能人事長就要多擔待。針對有關於行政院組織法, |
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因為要因應運動部的增設所以數目要增加這件事情台灣民眾黨黨團是競表同意這一點問題通通都沒有因為我相信成立運動部能夠發展有關於全民體育以及相關重要的政策是台灣社會的期待 |
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但除了有關於運動部的偵測以外另外一個牽涉到今天的中央行政機關組織基準法裡面的規定 |
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吳沛憶等21人擬具 «行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案案案案案案案 |
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為了要好好的去照顧這些新住民的權益也加速他們融入整個台灣的社會那增強彼此之間的認同感我們在上個會期三讀通過了新住民基本法在新住民基本法裡面第四條明確的規定內政部應該設置新住民事務專責中央三級行政機關 |
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為了因應這個新住民基本法的三讀通過我想要請教一下林市長依照目前中央行政機關組織基準法的規定我們三級機關的數目有幾個七十七十個那現在七十個使用了幾個現在七十個都用滿了都用滿了那下一個問題新住民基本法第四條已經三讀通過成為我國有效的法律案 |
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裡面也規定要設置中央三級行政機關所以現在打算是怎麼辦呢?行政院的立場我跟委員報告因為事實上內政部他也成立一個新住民的專責三級機關的籌備處要籌備多久?這個我可能要請教內政部因為內政部有提供相關資料我直接請教新住民基本法什麼時候要施行? |
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2872.259 |
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我們尊重內政部因為他整個分工還有人員移撥他檢討完以後他會見（施行日期是由誰定的?是內政部定還是行政院定?內政部會報給行政院來核定所以最後施行日期還是由行政院定嘛對不對?是所以依照行政院的立場什麼時候要施行? |
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呃...報委員我...這個部分我沒有辦法回答不是啊你今天代表秘書長來嘛所以我才說你承擔了很多你不該承擔的東西嘛要你來這邊練習回答你沒有辦法回答的問題行政院什麼時候施行秘書長有跟你做交代嗎? |
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2896.128 |
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2910.547 |
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昨天我有跟秘書長請示他現在就等內政部把這些相關的分工職長把他釐清以後會簽行政院因為什麼時候簽上行政院司法日期由行政院定行政院就要扛起責任 |
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不是行政院沒有擔當還推給內政部院推給部會不會太難看啊現在擔心的是什麼現在擔心的事情啊是新住民基本法我們三讀通過了以後行政作業需要時間大家都理解大家都理解但問題是你什麼時候施行總要給一個答案吧要不要遙遙無期嗎現在的問題是什麼 |
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2964.528 |
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給你們籌備給你們準備七十個三級機關全部都滿了嗎?是那七十個三級機關全部都滿了現在有打算要裁測哪一個三級機關嗎?呃報告委員我想這個到時候內政部送到行政院到時候是等到什麼時候?我行政院一定會通盤來檢討七十個對行政院的通盤檢討需要多久?這種話聽多了啦 |
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2983.369 |
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都是話術嘛。行政院通盤檢討。七月十六號三讀通過。今天幾號?今天十一月十四號。到現在都還沒有一個基本的方針跟策略喔。行政院到現在沒有基本的方針跟策略喔。 |
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3002.333 |
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新住民的權益是可以這樣被糟蹋的嗎?要等多久?七十個三級機關七十個全部都滿了三讀通過我現在就請教一下行政院嘛你們具體的法制作業你們具體的籌備現在就掛一個籌備處嘛啊掛一個籌備處我的問題就來了啊 |
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3034.479 |
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是要籌備多久?現在有關於新住民權益保障在施行以前新住民籌備處那個籌備處的人力有多少?人事長知不知道?他是一個任務編組因為雖然移民署一個組過來做整體規劃所以總共有多少人?這個抱歉我手上沒有這個資料 |
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3036.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
3049.45 |
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你是人事長是內在部承認阿三級機關署已經額滿阿會跟人事總署主計總署研議調整來跟你們研議調整開了幾次會 |
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3056.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
3075.339 |
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內政部講的阿 這不是我編的阿 跟你們演繹調整阿現在我就要具體的問阿 內政部到底是對媒體放消息講空話還是真的有演繹調處 到目前為止內政部針對這個演繹調處跟你們開了幾次會到目前還沒有 到目前都還沒有 是 |
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3086.107 |
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內政部是在混嗎?對媒體說要找你們演藝調處,今天在立法院承認啊,從來沒有找過你們啊!任市長你覺得內政部這種態度對嗎?你尊重內政部嘛!阿你覺得內政部有文我沒有在尊重新住民! |
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3102.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
3127.436 |
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事實上內政部也非常重視新住民非常重視啊 重視到在媒體上放消息感覺好像很積極說要找你們延逸調處今天人事長在這邊承認啊從來沒找過你們啊人事長今天會後回去發一個函給內政部好不好說委員很關心啊請問你們什麼時候來找我們延逸調處啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
3158.579 |
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可以嗎?報告委員我一隻卡電話要快一點啦!好!你給我換文給小班啦!不是啦!你們在那邊打電話打來打去的我覺得啦在這個時代啦所有的東西白紙黑字留下的紀錄比較好啦!否則到時候我們的國家足球隊又上場啦!各部會在那邊踢皮球踢來踢去的踢到最後不知道誰要負責任我給你的建議啊是發個文啦留下白紙黑字的紀錄啊這樣好不好? |
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3216.792 |
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讓給新住民的三級機關還是認為中央行政機關組織基準法33條又一併修正調整的必要?目前是朝為此上限就70個內部來做組織的檢討。那現在檢討是要裁測哪一個數?因為還在檢討階段所以要檢討多久?因為這個檢討的部分還要牽涉不是啦我建議啦你也回去跟行政院報告是 |
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3217.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
3232.046 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
因為今天你們來的書面報告完全沒有針對中央行政機關組織基準法第33條表示任何意見嘛是不是有寫在裡面我沒有看到沒有嘛這個例子很罕見欸 |
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3233.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
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通常行政機關對於不同的委員不同的黨團所提出來的法律修正案都會表示意見啊有的同意啊有的不同意啊有的方向同意啊內容文字要做調整啊但我拜讀了你們今天來的書院報告對中央行政機關組織基準法第33條沒有任何的書面意見欸沒有任何的書面意見所以現在行政院的立場是什麼直接無視 |
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五（委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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有立場啊就是在70個範圍內啊只是說要如何去做組織的調整整併這個內部還在溝通這就是問題嘛大家擔心的是什麼當你要裁撤掉一個三級機關的時候知識體大你覺得被裁撤的人心裡會不會舒服按照過去的經驗一定是非常不舒服嘛對不對 |
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三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案案 案件 三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案 案件 三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案 案件 三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案 案件 三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案 案件 三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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我講這是假新聞嘛 這假新聞嘛 |
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我們針對假新聞阿要嚴厲的駁斥阿我們痛恨假新聞阿痛恨假訊息阿誰對媒體亂放話放假訊息假新聞不用追究責任嗎卓榮泰在院會裡面阿回答文邁毓真委員說你要研議多久目前我們還要再研議 |
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言議就是我們會繼續努力啊所以今天任市長很稱職啊你今天來用的詞彙啊跟卓榮泰一模一樣啊可能跟我們過去這幾年一直在追問民進黨政府什麼時候要兌現選舉的政治承諾的時候一模一樣啊就是言議再言議嘛言議再言議啊現在有在關注立法院運作的人都知道啊 |
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要問你們問題的時候我們還在持續研議當中不斷研議當中主席站起來了希望今天人事長希望今天人事長把在委員會裡面聽到的意見帶回去行政院不要繼續用研議當作拖延的藉口當初新住民基本法我們三讀通過施行日期給行政院訂是要給你們方便不要把方便當隨意變什麼時候 |
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要施行遙遙無期。新住民專責機關什麼時候要成立也遙遙無期。這樣對不起臺灣新住民的朋友。這樣可以嗎?好,謝謝委員。好,謝謝黃委員。謝謝蘇理事長。由於議事錄之前已經宣讀完畢,尚未確定。現在先確定議事錄。請問各位,上次會議事錄有錯過以後? |
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沒有。那麼我們議事錄就確定。接下來我們就繼續邀請陳委員俊宇發言。 |
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副署長早 |
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我們今天要審查的是這個行政院組織法和中央行政機關組織基準法那也是為了因應運動部所屬的這個機關成立那需要同步進行相關的這個修法那我想從昨天的這個巡討過程中大家都對運動部都樂觀其成也抱著期待那所以今天我想就運動部的業務以及相關的運動政策來就教我們體育署 |
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三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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以這個現況對於這種各種場域訓練場館可能都有不同的這種標準的管理方式那對於公有的這個訓練設施社區化有沒有分級管理的這種相關規範或是策略我想請教我們副署長 |
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跟委員報告一下目前大概所有針對運動場館的標準我們目前是按照階段來做一個處理首先應該是針對棒禮球場的部分我們其實現在體育署這邊針對全國的所有的棒禮球場都有經過相關的一個盤點 |
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吳沛憶等21人擬具 «行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案》案 |
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五）委員 |
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吳沛憶 |
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議案相較於雙北地區應該要再增加我們目前只看到宜蘭縣就是在宜蘭運動公園旁有一個國民運動中心另外還有一座就是之前副組長您去參加動工的在羅東的全民運動館目前在施工當中也希望明年可以順利來完工應該是可以吧 |
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按照目前的進度應該是可以,我們也都會辦理相關的施工查核。好,那這部分就要再拜託我們提出持續的追蹤了。那我們從民眾的這種運動習慣調查來看,選擇到運動中心的人還是比較佔少數。這個原因到底是怎樣?我想請教副署長就是,我們要如何來創造民眾可以到運動中心的這個誘因?應該要如何做出這種市場的區隔?我想請教副署長。 |
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這部分可能也跟委員報告一下大概就國內的民眾來講目前有付費在運動的概念可能還是需要我們這邊再努力來推展再推動因為國民運動中心在之前我們大概也補助了各縣市政府這邊設立了31座目前也都有在按照規定相關的規定在營運因為他是用OT的方式是委外廠商這邊來辦理相關的一個營運 |
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所以OT的方式的話可能就會牽涉到相關一個收費標準的訂定可能就不會是像我們一般在田徑場那個學校田徑場或是公園裡面在運動是無常的所以有相關的這樣一個收費標準訂定之後這個可能就會造成民眾要進入到國民運動中心裡面運動是不是這麼可及他的一個這個價格是不是這麼親民 |
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議員吳沛憶 |
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議員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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是不是可以更有效的來提升並且推廣我們這個項目的一個增加的一個目標也可以提高這個誘因?因為目前這個階段我們其實也在推行新一個階段的公建計劃公共建設計劃是那個目前各縣市政府也都已經在申請然後陸續在核定當中委員這邊所提的有一些新興的運動項目那個在這些全民運動館或是熱火運動館 |
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議員徐富癸等17人擬具 |
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委員長早我想就教人事長就是如何來提升我們的運產中心作為行政法人的一個這個成效因為有關這個監督和評估的機制相關的規範是訂定在我們行政法人法當中但是我們對於這個運動產業賦予比較彈性的這種編制就是希望能夠達到更好的這種績效尤其在我們這個運產中心未來 |
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議員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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3934.672 |
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謝謝委員事實上人總他負責整個行政法人的一個業務推動就如同委員剛才提到我們都會以實際性把像我事實上我們現在最近每一年都在檢討政府 |
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對行政法輪的這些投資相關的事項就如同剛才委員提到了國發基金的引入還有目前經濟部他有相關運動產業科技相關領域的這些技術資源的引入事實上我們都是同步在評估評估之後假如有需要去修改行政法輪我們會去進行這樣的一個動作 |
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好,那這部分再請我們人總研議讓未來運動部還有相關的這個三個行政法人能夠發揮最大的功效那另外有關這個我們人事總署明年所編列的這個預算在給予這個福利制度規劃的這個計畫當中有編列 |
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一條151萬8千元規劃內容也包括辦理公部門這個托育相關政策那其中我想就鼓勵各機關能夠推動來設置這個職場托育設施的部分來做探討我想請教這個任市長我們到今年為止我們公部門辦理托育的服務的情形為何那是否比去年有顯著的一個提升的效果 |
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我跟委員報告一下截至到今年9月30號我們總共有197個托嬰托育設施那 |
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我跟委員報告除了既有設施去改善他有一些困難性像要符合蕭王法規還有拉羅城的限制面積的限制之類同樣的我們也有協調內政部的國土署在一些新建的政府的這些公共設施裡面要一流拖音拖幼的這些設施我們是用多元的方式同時在推動 |
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好 那我想對於我們這個托育設施的設置我們除了希望能夠持續擴大來辦理之外那對於品質的這個把關以及是否能夠符合家長的這個需求和期待也是很重要的所以我這部分我想請教我們人總這邊對於員工子女托育的這個需求我們是多久去調查一次 |
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吳沛憶 |
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五（委員 |
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好,謝謝陳委員,謝謝蘇人士長。接下來請陳委員發會發言。主席,我們請人士長。好,有請蘇人士長。委員早。人士長早。 |
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我們今天等一下稍後就要審查我們行政院人事行政總署的這個所屬114年度的中央政府總預算所以今天我們等一下稍後我們也會就總預算編列的一些部分來請教我們人事長那這個我想跟人事長在我們在這個就這個會期齁 |
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我們之前就排過兩次的質詢有關業務報告再來有一次AI的專題討論在9月30跟10月14號本席在這兩次質詢裡面都那時候有提出對於我們人事總署主政的有關政府AI人工智慧智能實施計畫的一些項目我們有進行過一些請教 |
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我看到我們這個在在11月4號的時候我看到說我們這個行政那時候我有提出建議說希望把這個這個我們AI 的這個人工智慧智能實施計畫我希望能夠列入公務人員終身學習10小時的必修課程已經納入了我知道對我現在在這看到我看到你們在在這個 |
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從明年度114年1月1號開始你們用這個這個願受人陪制第1130022209號的函你們已經把他這個從明年度的1月1號開始公務人員每年都必須完成 |
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這個課程,必須完成的課程裡面新增了人工智慧。這部分我首先感謝我們人事總書這邊的努力,也在這裡給你們肯定。 |
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那我今天我們等一下稍後要審這個總預算我就今天就很仔細的看了我們這個人總的這個相關今天有關這個114年度施政計畫跟這個收支預算我看你們的報告啦齁你們也在報告裡面也也在這個施政狀況裡面齁你們也重申了這個 |
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這個要提升行政院公務人員人工智能實施計畫那在這個重要施政計畫裡面也把這個AI通識智能齁公務人員AI通識智能都列在你們的這個這個重要施政計畫裡面那這個都很好這個我都肯定啦齁因為畢竟我們現在這個內閣是是號稱要成為一個AI內閣但是接著我看到你們這些這個施政口頭報告這些書面報告之後但是接著 |
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| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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4355.252 |
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在我們6月6號行政院所提出來公務人員人工智慧智能實施計畫裡面包括一些不是年度的計畫是長期的從113年度到117年的一個長期實施計畫照理講這個都是過去沒有的啦理論上應該要呈現在我們的預算上面 |
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但是我這樣我就仔細的翻閱你們預算書就是找沒有看到沒有看到我們的這個相關的這個實施計畫在我們預算書裡面欸 |
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謝謝委員給我這個機會說明那事實上我們在人力學院裡面有一個訓練輔導級研究裡面有一個項目是在職訓練研習課程的部分我們有編了400萬事實上400萬是不夠對對訓練輔導級研究裡面的在職訓練研習課程裡面有400萬 |
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啊事實上這400萬是不夠的所以我們現在同時也在這個禮拜二我們有跟國安會去申請一個專案的一個計畫是2500萬因為我們在編這個預算的時候因為6月6號才通過嘛然後114年本身我們的預算的編列是被我們在兩三在二月三月之間擬嘛沒有辦法直接就加入嘛 |
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未來我們會針對115到118一個比較長期性的…… 市長這樣的理由不太好啦是6月6號就已經宣示的一個重要的一個政策齁只有在明年度的預算的編列裡面你說來不及呈現這個這個是就就就 |
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民間的觀感我想恐怕不太能夠接受了你說因為二、三月你們就開始編然後六月六號才有這個計畫然後現在十一月的你們所提出來審查的預算裡面你說因此來不及編入民間的預算我換一個方式跟委員報告啦事實上我們現在同步假如明年要大幅的去推動政府機關不是假如這個是你們的實施計畫這六月六號你們公布的 |
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公務人員AI人工智慧提升實施計畫這400萬是BASE ON現有的基礎所以我們在禮拜二有去跟國發會申請一筆2500萬的一個訓練的經費明年就會來加入等於明年我們有2900萬也就是說你們現在6月6號所提出的計畫你們沒有辦法在這個預算書裡面呈現呈現只有400萬不夠所以你們 |
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現在跟國發會那邊來申請這個專案的預算2500萬通過了沒有目前在審查不過我有親自拜託吳主委他說如果沒有過勒應該沒有啦我們就只做400萬啦報告委員我非常有信心啦 |
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市長這個我有點哭笑不得你現在預算我拿預算書翻翻翻翻不到預算然後你說啊這個因為因為這個6月6號才決定的計劃我們來不及編列所以我們就就去現在跟國發會申請這個專案的預算就算預算到現在還沒有準 |
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這是我們六一六號大張旗鼓開記者會的。國科會的一萬名年有一堆五成,內地基中可以去做人工智慧相關的,我們有去國科會申請2500萬,這個目前是在審查啦,應該國科會應該會安置。好我跟你講,這樣了任市長。 |
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這個6月6號公布這個實施計畫8月7號我們卓院長去出席我們副首長這個副首長共事營的時候他那時候是對外正式宣布明年度的預算也就是我們等一下開始審的預算明年度的預算裡面我們這個有關AI的提升他要編列100億100億喔編列100億來做這個人工智慧的提升 |
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在哪裡?一百億的主體應該是在數位發展部數位發展部還有國科會那個主體會在這兩個部會主政單位是你公務人員的提升計畫是你主政對不對?公務人員的提升我不是說一定一百億都要點人種我沒有這樣說我是說這一百億在哪裡? |
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我委員報告其實提升人工智慧這個 |
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在整個行政院的政策裡面是相關部會的合作。主體會在數位發展部然後國科會。我上前兩次就跟你在質詢的時候就已經跟你我們就這個部分溝通過了。主體主政單位大部分他的六大計畫裡面四大計畫就是我們人總負責的啦。這個數法部只負責一個部分啦。 |
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時間到了我再一個問題請教個人也很關心有關我們公務人員近日發生的有中央部會有員工不堪霸凌輕生的案件我們大家也都很關心這樣子也都非常關心這個事情那看了結果我就趕快來了解 |
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五）委員 |
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三）委員林宜 |
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議員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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我們可以提供補助讓公務員能夠自行在民間尋求幫助這是一個思考方向請任市長思考我跟委員報告事實上員工協助方案有些是在辦公室進行有些我們會給同仁 |
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因為每一個機關他去洽簽的這些民間的諮詢的單位不一樣,我們會給他電話號碼,他可以直接去call,這個我們總組...你們現在齁,整個機制你們也欠缺,你們也欠缺這個有關危機啦、非自願啦、轉介這些,你們這些機制都不夠完整,事實上都不夠完整。那最後我就是希望你們這個部分齁, |
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接下來有請林委員私名發言。 |
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蘇貞市長 |
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委員早市長早市長我想我接續那個剛剛黃國昌委員他的一個提問就有關新住民基本法他在今年7月16號我們立法院就已經三讀通過那麼賴總統也在今年的8月12日已經正式公佈 |
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其中第四條就明定說我們內政部要設置新住民事務的負責中央三級的行政機關來統籌規劃相關有關新住民權益保障的相關的事宜但是我們看到今天的整個修法的版本裡面有我們民眾黨他提出就中央行政機關組織基準法第33條的這樣的一個修法的版本 |
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但是我們在今天卻沒有看到這個行政院就或者是這個相關內政部就這個版本或者人事長你就這個版本來提出相關修法的一個建議所以仍然我們看到今天33條的版本還是仍然維持局還有署的總數以70個為限沒有做任何的更動所以我們會覺得說 |
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欸 阿西立法院三讀通過的法律啊那為什麼行政院到現在還不願意公佈施行啊現在還不公佈施行 已經多久了從8月到現在 總統是8月12號公佈今天是11月14號 三個多月還沒有公佈施行所以到底 因為今天秘書長沒來啦 |
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剛才黃國昌委員主席也講說今天是由你代理到底什麼時候要公佈事情 |
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你有去問嗎?你能回答嗎?我有請內政部就是加快在執行過程中有需要我們人種協助的地方我們會因為這裡面我跟委員報告一下現在是成立新住民他籌備處那籌備處他一定會跟相關因為新住民進來以後他會跟就業有關會跟醫療有關會跟教育相關領域的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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5033.885 |
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5057.613 |
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我想法條也講得非常清楚就是要由設立中央的三級行政機關以統籌、規劃、研究、諮詢、協調、推動、促進新住民的就學、就業、培力、關懷、協助以及多元服務的相關事宜當然是很多的事項但是我剛才聽到說黃國昌委員問你啊 |
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5067.948 |
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說內政部已經跟你做協調有沒有?跟你開會做這個相關的事項的一個研議沒有?好像都沒有? |
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| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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5102.617 |
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5126.007 |
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我希望政府的相關部門真的要重視相關立法進程你現在施行日期你剛才提到有這麼多的事務要去做協調但是三個多月了到現在仍然沒有找我們人事總處來做相關的未來人力或者預算這些相關的一個配置的一個研議 |
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這樣對嗎?政府機關是這樣做事的嗎?行政效率那麼差嗎?我跟委員報告因為我們部會之間有他的一個分工現在有組織的內政部他移民署有成立他成立一個籌備處這個籌備處是一個任務編組這個任務編組他就開始啟動了再跟相關的這些大概要多久?據你所知 |
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5158.545 |
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吳沛憶等21人擬具 «行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案》案 |
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5172.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
二）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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5191.189 |
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5217.906 |
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我想我們針對這個我剛才提到的就是說今天運動部要成立從14所以我們今天的組織法的修正從14個部提高到15個部那我想基本上我們也贊成說我們運動部的一個成立我們也樂觀其成那我們大家一起來重視我們運動的一個發展台灣運動的一個發展但是我們有看到說今天我剛才提到的就是有關33條的修法 |
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5242.996 |
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把局數從70個提高到75個。當然人事長對黃國昌委員的一個詢答的過程中你是提到說你們的立場是傾向於不增加整個局數的一個總數。但是我很遺憾就是說今天的書面報告怎麼沒有把相關的修法的建議寫在書面報告上? |
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5263.7 |
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我跟委員報告就是因為70個的這個天花板我們不打算打開啦但是你的書面報告怎麼沒有把原因講清楚說明白為什麼今天是這麼忽略今天我們的修法的相關的一個版本你們沒有任何的一個的一個 |
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5265.061 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
5293.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
5295.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 «行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案 |
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5326.723 |
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目前提議署大概135位那未來運動部他的編制大概300然後提議署的運動署簽名運動署大概100個會有400個 |
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5340.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 «行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案案案》案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
5364.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
5381.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
5408.234 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
教授或吳教授之等他就可以進來另外還可以用聘用的方式進來就多元禁用因為也希望延攬更多有運動經驗的這一些專家進來我想你都要盡快的做相關的一個規劃包括我們剛才講的新住民基本法裡面未來三級機關成立相關的人力你要如何從這個民間或者是從考試來找相關的人才你知道提前部署 |
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5410.255 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
二）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
5441.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
5453.974 |
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謝謝主席有請人事長請蘇人事長委員早人事長早安大家都早安辛苦了昨天的世界十二強棒球賽你有沒有看 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
5455.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
5467.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
我沒看在準備今天的打醒之列。這樣子。你跟我一樣我也在開會可是開會的時候在旁邊偷偷滑手機喔。所以6比3台灣贏了韓國。我知道6比3。很好。我們一起關心運動體育。今天我們除了審預算同時在審查行政院組織法跟中央行政機關組織基準法 |
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5479.492 |
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5484.974 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案．一）行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案．一）行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案．一）行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案．一） |
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5508.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
5522.506 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
5523.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
二）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
5545.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
5560.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
所以我想問依據文化基本法成立的行政院跨部會的文化會報蘇仁市長每一次都參與請問您自己認為人事總處在文化會報扮演什麼角色? |
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5561.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
5589.447 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
大概陳盧委員所講的嘛我們都是insider所以我們會做兩件事情第一件事情是內部同仁的一個內化就是把文化的這個意涵第二個是在整個信念的項目裡面因為我們有很好的數位學習平台針對所有公共的 拓展對於文化知能的提升可以善用在我們的公共事務的推動上 |
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5590.287 |
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5600.834 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
第三點就是當文化部他有一些新的業務擴增我們再給予人力的支持事實上是有上個部分您說的非常好都是我過去也在這個位置質詢您要求我們對於人事的訓練人力的培育都要多有文化的思維跟觀點讓我們步步都是文化部透過我們優秀專業的行政 |
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5617.624 |
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國務人員能夠來內化跟貫徹您說得非常好但是就預算論預算還有您可以更直接來做的下一頁吳思瑤努力催生了文化禮經2023年上路當時是蘇貞昌前院長 |
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我們讓台灣16到22歲的年輕世代每人每年有1200點的文化禮金去進行藝文的消費除了要內化讓每個國人都有文化的生活之外也要促進藝文產業的振興發展有了文化幣其實還有我們的這個動資券 |
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也就是運動類的同樣鼓勵青少年投入運動的消費下頁公務人員是最早有文化幣的您知道嗎就是我們的文康活動會因為第一個字叫文嘛來文康活動是什麼 |
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二）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 «行政院組織法第三條文修正草案》案。 |
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所以呢,義文活動跟康樂活動兩大類。義文活動還放在前面喔,所以它叫文康活動。可是我們的文康活動的項目呢,都用在康樂類。我都很支持。未婚聯誼我特別支持,因為我自己也很需要。所以各類的活動,康樂類我都支持,但是義文類就是掛蛋。下一頁。 |
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大家非常重視文康活動所以預算執行率都是百分之百讓我們的德政可以加惠於所有的公務同仁你們的執行率百分之百這是好的非常好下一頁所以花得好也要花得對當我們2024年我們又讓文康費調升了嘛對不對 |
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兩千比三千是吧?今年開始嘛這是一個大大的大家的福利的提升成長了45%喔所以能不能夠拿文康活動來推廣真正的藝文活動plus我們監審運動部其實藝文活動還有運動的活動我認為都要一起來深化下一頁 |
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所以說呢我一直之前也提質詢過您要求過您我謝謝你們人事總署發函除了自己人事總署要求自己率先來多辦藝文活動你們也應本席的要求發函給所有的部會請大家在辦文康活動的時候不要在政康樂而親藝文阿有好嗎? |
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我跟委員報告大概政府機關的運作大概第一個先行文第二個我們會把它一年的執行的成果會回饋到它的一個績效考核裡面來好因為時間有限我今天在這裡特別提我後面還有國旅卡我下一次再就教於您其實國旅卡是另外一個同樣人事總處主管來下業 |
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人事總署主管可以來統合所有的公務同仁善用他的國旅卡去從事休閒、旅遊、文化以及運動類。 |
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三）委員林宜 |
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您剛剛也講要透過我們有新興的文化組織機關這幾年成立非常多不管是用這個行政法人的或者是用新立的像我們現在就有漫畫博物館要成立吳思瑤催生的台灣建築文化中心也要成立了又包括我們有一個兒童的未來館 |
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這都是政府大力投入文化建設的時候當然需要文化的人力所以您剛剛說人事總署對於作為文化推手在人才培育上這絕對是重中之重但是我請您另外翻轉一下思維你們對於文康活動就真的讓所有的公共同仁照顧他 |
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三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 «行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案 |
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讓議文類真正能夠落實包括人事總署包括各部會然後議文活動之外跟上我們最新的行政院組織運動部的成立全民一起來做全民運動就從公務機關開始這樣好不好 |
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我們會積極來努力就預算、論預算、預算反應政策預算的執行也反映了你們對於政策是不是有認真去推在審議預算的時候我會再提出相關的提案請大家都預先做好準備好不好我們要文化、要運動從公務人員開始步步都是文化部步步也都可以是運動部好一起加油謝謝好謝謝委員 |
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好,謝謝。接下來我們請鍾嘉斌委員上台質詢。主席,在場的委員先進。列席的政府金剛市長、官員、會長、工作夥伴、媒體記者、女士先生。有請蘇仁市長。請蘇仁市長。 |
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市長、委員長。我們這一次我要講的是高階專才短期專案協助政府美軍的薪資制度可以解決我們長期的需要讓您參考一下。來回顧一下我在今年也不又上個月的時候呢說問請教您啊跟書發部的次長誰是政府導入AI的組織機關?你認為呢?是誰?則吳龐大就是數位發展部。好是數位發展部他今天不在那成效由誰來管考? |
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我發現人種很積極 |
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美國政府也很積極,他在公共行政部門AI的應用狀況清單。他們有一個報告提到,他們不管是在環境社會福利,醫療保健交通,還有識別以及對退伍軍人的服務和樂島消營等等對於極端氣候。他們一共盤點了包括23個非軍事的機構,發布了200多個AI的使用方案。 |
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還有700多個AI的應用專正在開發裝中。你覺得人種相較於美國政府,你們有沒有很積極的也在希望協助各部門往AI,所謂的AI就是人工智慧,人工智慧大家所普遍的認知就可以節約或提高人力的運用效能,對不對?剛好人種就是負責人力的運用嘛,所以這也是你們投入AI的原因之一,是不是啊? |
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我們最重要的是在訓練每一個公務人員都有AI的DNA也協助他們在業務上能夠精進讓他們在人事效率上應用更高是不是這樣當然好那所以你當我這樣舉例你覺得是不是需要去盤點一下參考一下美國政府在AI應用狀況的清單並研議相對應的業務導入AI的可行性你覺得值不值得參考 |
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我覺得委員整理這個資料非常棒,我相信數位發展部的數位政府是應該是有責的。好,你還是很認為說,雖然人事總署很積極,但是政府的權責機關在行政院還是出發步。但是我們來看一下,服務型的智慧政府2.0推動計畫,這是不是人總在推的? |
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吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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所以你們是不是也是可以剛剛我提供給你參考的美國政府的AI應用狀況清單的可行性,相對應的服務可以納入你們的服務型政府智慧政府2.0的推動計畫? |
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你們還是講以人事為主嗎?我委員報告,他那裡有一堆肉粽,肉粽頭是在數位發展部。那我們這個服務型智慧政府,那是人事的,租給其他各個部位。所以你只負責人事部門的?對啦。我們的重點會在人事。但是人事部門,你們業務上只負責人事部門,但是所有政府部門人員的人事制度是你們主導嗎? |
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包括他們的薪資結構你們要來幫他們講話嗎是好那我們來看一下下一頁所以我們來看一下我們政府好像有一個跟美國政府一樣高階的技術專才他們是用短期專案來協助政府業務我們看到華爾街日報他一個報導 |
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美國的國防部要進行一個創新計畫去招募矽谷的高階技術專才以兼職的方式以中高階軍官的身份投入美軍的後備役協助網路安全跟數據分析很有趣美國的國防部他們的用人制度很靈活他們有可以從民間挖專才以後備役的方式他們有國民兵有這些的相關的制度那您覺得如果是用這個方式包括科技業以外物流、航空 |
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你覺得我們台灣政府可不可以參考美軍去招募高階技術專才一短期專案來協助政府導入AI及協助網路安全和數據分析呢?我覺得有機會因為在數化部底下有一個資安院那資安院是一個行政法人行政法人他可以比較靈活的去害這些人進來好所以在你任總的立場來講其實你認為給數化部當時在人事制度上就留有這樣的空間讓他去運用對嗎? |
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那你覺得他目前有充分的運用嗎?他有在運用一些資安相關領域的一個study好 那我們來看一下但是我們要看人總啊自己本身你們自己發的齁我在7月的時候呢我問了一個說相同的能力之下心事大於跟業界相仿才能保有優秀的公務員我還記得我那時候說的 |
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人總過去的思考都是說公務人員來互相比較我要提高這個人員的應用的這個機會留用他我把他跟其他公務員的薪資待遇相對拉高我那時候跟您提過這是不夠的因為這些優優人才不是在公務機關互相比較他是跟民間部門跟他同樣技術能力的人的薪酬來互相比較你同不同意他們是這樣想非常同意好所以呢你看你們人總在提到說公務機關的工程人員 |
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只缺林卜不易所以你們就在7月31號得到行政院答覆你們工程裡面的待遇提升方增加了專業加給3000塊然後在工程獎金的留任獎金上從5500提高到16萬這是人總去爭取的嘛是不是 |
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吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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6385.988 |
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6390.969 |
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十四點五 那就對了來我問你真正但是我們來看一下實況上媒體的報導不只你們要去跟民間部門搶財啊七月他就跟公務門搶財搶什麼人搶土木專財年薪兩百萬配車包租屋他加倍的行情他們認為什麼如果說政府的標案多他們業界缺人他直接跟你行政機關挖啊他所謂有行政機關更好啊你覺得目前工程人員的待遇提升方案能夠追得上業界嗎 |
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你們剛剛提出的這個方案能留得住專才嗎?有沒有辦法?我跟委員坦白的報告啦。這個紐開了會讓這一些流進來的土木工程的人員會更多啦。不然是這樣啦,是紐不紐啦。你也不可能去把民間的都收到啦。堅守你讓人家民間紐他,差不多啦。你要把民間紐啦,那麼困難啦。我們來看一下。再講一個。勞動檢查人員的低薪跟環境惡劣,你看。 |
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這裡媒體也報導囉官方訓練出師的職安專家都成為民間高薪挖角所以勞動部爭取加薪也補不滿啦近5年有300個勞檢員離開因為呢約聘、低薪、工作環境惡劣業界開高薪挖角根據你們自己提出的在今年的3月得到行政院得到的風險工程會你們呢把它提高到了5000跟3000你們認為這是編定的勞動檢查人員執行風險工作費的支給表當中能留得住嗎? |
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6494.114 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
我覺得政府機關有時候在挑不可能一下子衝下去收斷嘛你就收斷把那個紀律落差但是今天遇到這種狀況給你再參考一下美軍的做法這也是我跟國防部了解的美軍的新興制度他們美國是怎麼說他們美國的軍官的償備薪資呢他用給大學畢業生全部全國去比PR83吶 |
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則是說他們國防部要找的大學畢業的軍官來任軍官的是以全國大學畢業生的就職的行情的前面怎麼樣前面的PR83就是最前面的17%很高喔如果是士兵那就跟相同學歷能力的是90%啊 |
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所以我要告訴你有一個觀念我們過去呢假如說今天國防部他要去挖一個人一個技術的軍官在民間的不管是資訊的飛行的我們想說啊這個邊界是少校我用少校的最高性來挖你你覺得挖得動嗎如果他們去航空業去挖我跟你講美軍不是這樣挖美軍不是他說我這個技術人員我要挖你 |
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二）委員 |
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如果你的專長能力在美軍是要怎麼樣?中將還是上將?才能挖得動你? |
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你了解我的意思嗎?請你簡短回答,因為時間的關係。我年紀老啊,應該挖不動的啦。好,你了解我的意思沒有?思維的方向不是以我們公務機關來做比較,要以人家在民間的薪酬的水準來對應來挖稅,最後只有三個要求啦。第一,請嚴育談點美國政府AI應用狀況,請他們將具可行性的相對應的業務呢,納入你的服務型智慧政府2.0的推動計畫,一個月內提供一個書面報告給本席,可以嗎? |
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另外,仿照美軍招募高階技術專才以短期專案協助正為導入AI及協助網路安全數據分析的可行性,也提出一個參考的方案。可以嗎?我都幫你把資料找好了。最後,長期缺額的單位能夠參考美軍的薪金制度,來有效填補缺額並增加續任意願。這個就是你們需要的,這可以做吧? |
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主席有請任市長 |
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委員長我看了您的報告也聽了剛剛的詢答我直接做個結論我覺得民進黨對不起也瞧不起新住民禁法補償條例拖拖拉拉民進黨在欺負原住民 |
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新住民發展署你也拖拖拉拉在欺負新住民何其傲慢的政府我先來講第一件事為什麼我說你們在欺負新住民現在我們政府要成立運動部嘛對不對運動部成立我支持啊好事啊可是按照中央行政機關組織法規定的部的總數是幾個 |
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所以現在用滿了對不對所以我們就要修改中央行政機關組織法增加一個部嘛對不對但其實有另外一個做法啊另外一個做法是什麼如果不調整總和的另外一個做法是什麼 |
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就是去調整某些部把他併就撤銷一些部嘛廢掉一些部嘛如果是採第二種方式我想請問哈要廢掉教育部嗎還是要廢掉經濟部還是要廢掉財政部還是要廢掉文化部你為什麼不是採取所謂的廢其他的部來爭運動部的方式為什麼 |
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因為我們有評估過了這個有期執行上的一個困難當然困難嘛根本不可能的事情嘛你今天把原來的部會廢掉那原來部會業務怎麼辦你光移撥的過程的複雜度還有相關機關受到的影響變動的成本極大所以不可能是廢部成部啦不是嗎沒錯吧 |
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當然啊!我也認為不可能啊!很抱歉喔!這個邏輯遇到新住民發展署就不是啦!請問你喔!新住民基本法第四條規定是什麼? |
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七月十二號通過之後我們會成立專責的三級機關是啊 要成立專責三級機關請問成立專責三級機關我們現在中央行政組織機制人把我們的第三十三條規定的三級機關的機關數的上限是多少七十 七十個 又滿了嗎目前滿了 滿了啊 來來來 你們打算怎麼做 |
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我直接講啦 剛剛巡導已經講了啦這基本上齁 是同步在進行啦第一個就是內政部移民署他有成立一個新住民的一個籌備處籌備處 你都能講內政部成立一個運動部籌備處 然後不要改部會上線我直接問你嘛 你剛已經回答啦 你沒打算打破這70個上線啊 不是嗎是對啊 那我想請問你 你不打算打破這70個上線 請問你告訴我 |
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要廢掉哪個部?哪個署?哪個司?哪個局?要廢掉哪個三級機關?你的評估跟我講你不動上限嘛!因為不動上限你就非得撤掉一個啊!不然就併掉一個啊!不是嗎? |
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我告訴你邏輯問題在哪裡,任市長。我說真的,今天真的在叫你在那邊為難你啦。今天主席今天說真的邀的人也都不對啦。今天邀的人,待會兒我會跟你講為什麼不對,我先把這邏輯問題跟你講清楚。為什麼沒辦法?你今天裁掉任何三級機關,它的三級機關的業務,就有要移波的問題。 |
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那你光研議你要裁掉哪個三級機關就像你剛剛講的你在籌備處兩三年你都研議不出來啦你研議 光研議要裁掉哪個所謂的那個籌備機關你就這樣子把這事情擱著啦那今天如果照你的邏輯你剛剛也講啊你為什麼不要打破機關上限是因為你不應該膨脹元額嘛對不對盡量不要膨脹元額嘛不是嗎你剛剛回答的啊 |
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很好啊!非常好啊!就是我幫你翻白話就你前面的白話文可能遇到我在稍微謹慎一點你就文言文你剛剛前面講的就是不應膨脹啊我跟你講我沒有反對這個原則喔因為這實際上也是我最大的困惑因為我以前也在政府機關工作過當時民進黨說啊這政府這個機關太多要裁撤精簡政府啊 |
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政府還真的繼續做了很多精簡政府的工作。現在沒有,你講少爺不得了啊。這個機關成立,那個機關成立一大堆。但有的有具效成立我贊成。可是我今天就跟你講標準的問題嘛。 |
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你今天擺明非常鮮活的例子又在現在的狀況你對運動部你就沒有所謂機關不應膨脹、預算不應膨脹、緣額不應膨脹的標準存在阿我就問你嘛現在的那個運動發展署緣額你剛剛講過135人嘛對不對然後變成體育部分年階段要增加到400人嘛對不對 |
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對阿 四百人阿 橫空就增加兩百多人阿 預算就兩百億嘛 那我就跟你講你今天為什麼今天說違反了你剛剛講預算不要膨脹 人額不要膨脹的原因是因為運動不重要嘛 我接受這個論點啦 我接受阿可是同樣的狀況你就跟我講新住民就不重要阿 不是嗎 一模一樣的邏輯 |
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我跟你講你沒有講過新住民不重要但你的做法跟民進黨政府的做法就告訴你新住民不重要這不是你講的文字上的問題那我再跟你講剛剛我也看到在尋答的過程當中我也看到新聞說這個賴清德總統賴清德總統這個要這個延緩所謂的這個新住民發展署你剛剛否認嘛賴清德總統沒有這個要求嘛對不對 沒有沒有 |
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可是我要講的是即便他沒這個要求你們的做法也蠻像今天耐心的總有這個要求啊 |
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我只問你一件事嘛請問新住民發展署什麼時候會成立你覺得需要多久時間在不動你的所謂機關上線情況之下我剛才已經在黃國昌委員執行裡面有答應了我們會行文給內政部請內政部加速我告訴你我就是要跟你講這個問題你答不出時間然後你跟他行文內政部來來來這是我今天覺得最無法接受的地方啦今天單位有內政部嗎 |
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我連要問內政部今天都沒辦法問啦!我想請問內政部跟你在那邊當場協調都沒辦法!有問內政部嗎?有沒有? |
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今天審查中央行政機關組織基準法還有今天還有今天我們賣玉珍我們民眾黨的案子在裡面欸有涉及新住民的問題在裡面欸行政院秘書長不到內政部也不來我今天說你們瞧不起新住民對不起新住民到底哪一點說錯了完全沒說錯啊你們光今天的會議形式就瞧不起新住民啊 |
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我還是跟人事長講你在這個地方我必須先說一句話人事長本來就是在你的機關本位你就要守住預算的原額編制你就是不希望政府膨脹這是你的本分沒錯啦所以我沒有怪你 |
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但今天光讓你在這邊當箭靶子我就覺得就是對新住民非常的不尊重因為很多問題你還得行文內政部去回答你沒有辦法在這邊把事情釐清清楚我還是說一句話啦今天最快的方式真的表達對新住民的支持認同的話你就比照運動部運動部是增加一個部會他是增加一個三級機關層次還是差很多如果一個部會重要可以增加預算緣和可以擴大倍增 |
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為什麼新住民發展署也有三級機關為什麼今天你要卡東卡西到現在也講不出來你的籌備書要籌備十年嗎以上 謝謝好 謝謝陸委員 謝謝蘇務人事長接下來有請莊委員瑞雄發言謝謝莊委員 有請我們人事長 |
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委員老張人長其實我倒會覺得你的職務跟其他的部會不一樣一個政府其實追究的是一個有效能的一個政府倒不是說人一直擴張然後大而無當 |
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〈行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案〉案。 |
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議員吳沛 |
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那這樣到時候草草定案全新的一個部會變成到最後是換湯不換藥大家都坐白宮可是我也要讓你看一下整個運動部的籌備這些大事記裡面你看這個113年6月18號體育運動政策白皮書跟體育及運動發展部的一個規劃論壇有中部廠113年6月21號是南部廠113年7月11號是東部廠 |
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然後113年的7月15號是北部場8月15號是整個行政院 |
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7330.07 |
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會中院長宣布將成立體育跟運動發展部的籌備小組。到了9月9號,體育運動發展部諮詢小組的第一次會議。9月19號,第二次的一個諮詢小組的一個會議。9月23號,就是第三次。我為什麼去提這一些?就是說,雖然有這樣這些會議,我還是覺得這都很慘。 |
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都非常非常的一個倉促啦。就當然各個政黨我相信很多的委員都希望說有一個運動部的一個成立。我以為你覺得是升格,但是行政院說不是升格,不是輸在你,你要怎麼說輸在你,你就選出來就好了。但重點,重點,你好不容易經過多次的會議凝聚這次的一個組織法,一個組織法。所以我要請教你的就是說,這個討論過程當中,你人事總書家你到底有去參悟嗎? |
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7380.451 |
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你提供什麼樣的意見嗎?這才是重點啊。你有什麼有啊有啊,不然去啊,人家在說什麼我們聽什麼而已啊。你總是要有你的意見啦。啊重點你也知道我要問什麼,你這個屁股到底是怎麼生出來的? |
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這400個人大概他是分階段禁用啦因為說這個新的運動部的一個組成我們希望援引這些有運動賽事經驗的人到公部門來所以我們在任用資格上面也有開放就比照教育人員任用條例讓他可以進來那是一個教育人員任用條例進國發會相關機關有在用第二個就是用聘用的 |
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7409.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
議員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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7430.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
7441.606 |
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一百三十四、一百三十五差一個。好,那你這樣整個運動部你說要四百?這樣差幾個你知道嗎?兩百六十五?兩百六十五,但是那不是一檔喔,他要分幾個檔要補開的。分幾個檔?你前面如果說他的權責劃分清楚,你意思就是說,沒關係你運動部讓他成立齁,那第一天,第一年出頭就好。 |
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7465.562 |
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第三條條文修正草案．吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案．吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案．吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案．吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案．吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案．吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案．吳沛憶等21人擬具:「 |
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| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
五）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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7507.111 |
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五）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具〈行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案〉 |
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7536.701 |
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7537.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
徐富癸等21人擬具 |
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7557.113 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
7557.694 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
議員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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7576.568 |
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7596.62 |
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委員報告啦,那些中心那些人要補比較快,但是你若說無人員齁,我們還要提缺啊,提議行政缺,還要提缺,還要去科技,還要進來,它會有一兩年的一個時間差嘛,你若運動中心,產業中心,那些不用科技的組織嘛,那些直接就過來,那些人在補充比較快啦。我告訴你,院長。 |
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7604.453 |
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你還聽不懂我的意思。我的意思就是說,你甚至很堅持跟他講說,你的人也沒那麼多,你的五十個就夠了。 |
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7610.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
議員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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7632.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
7632.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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7642.967 |
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我當一個人事長我讓整個政府產生很大的一個效能又可以節省那麼多的一個公帑有什麼不對?所以我的意思是你既然參與了啊既然你認為要給400個 安捏風雪我就有疑慮是這個問題我 我委員沒想這三百個加一百個不是用花的因為從他的執掌組織執掌幾個師幾個科 |
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要編制多少人來推動哪些業務?主要以業務為主體,業務然後再攤出來,算算看要三百多要出來。業務一個計算的公式。那你幾年要曝光?你大了啦?你認為多少?多久?四年?那應該是新的部要提出來他的一個禁用計畫,我們再來全力協助他。所以你認為這幾年他們的業務就是很少的囉? |
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吳沛憶等21人擬具 «行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案案》案。 |
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國務令委員的行政效率,這是你任總努力的一個目標嘛。我去看喔,你像AI關鍵能力的一個培養,連任總署你們透過一等的公務員學習平台,這個都有些成果。可是你注意把它看,大家去都在衝啊,你看看,你簡單看一看。你的monitor應該就有了,大家去都英文而已。 |
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如果AI那麼多的一個功能啊,你去把它看,你光是英文的選讀課程就25萬人次,認證時數高達26萬小時,代表我們公立人都很喜歡這個平台,這是好事。但是呢,我比較擔心的就是說,你一些新的政策跟可能的方向可能就卡在這個。 |
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委員報告,今年7月開始,我們有6大類的課程。 |
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二）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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謝謝莊委員、謝謝蘇仁市長。稍後在政委員天才詢答完畢後的休息文中,現在請麥委員御正發言。謝謝主席。有請仁氏行政那個市長。 |
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蘇貞市長市長好。我想請教一下,不管是新住民、原住民,包含你,我們是不是媽媽生的?是嗎?一定是的。對。我們是不是人? |
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一定是的。所以是人的話我們是不是我們要在對話的時候是我們是眼睛看著對方?是不是?這個在上次委員執行的時候有繼續演講。我問你是不是?是。所以我們狗和人對話眼睛看哪裡?對不起我沒有養狗。你沒有養狗但是你有這個理念對不對? |
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三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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當初協商的時候我們三黨達成共識一年之後要成立所以呢結果呢行政院跟內政部說現在先成立新住民發展署籌備處工作小組明年掛牌成立新住民發展 |
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議員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案案 案 議員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案 案 議員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案 案 議員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案 案 議員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案 案 議員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案 案 案 議員吳� |
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我跟委員報告一下這內政部他有從那個移民署的新住民的相關的領域的這些同仁還有再加其他的業務他成立一個籌備處好但是依照中央政府機構總原而法第五條第三頁第三項的規定 |
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各機關應章、時機、元額數及人力列型編入年度總預算,但是我們翻了移民署114年的預算書,完全沒有相關的作業計劃,請教我們的市長。 |
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二）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 «行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案》案。二）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案。二）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案。二）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案。二）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案。二）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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資源的方式。第四（如果是用一波的沒有法源依據怎麼波。第五（如果是用資源的這樣的長期資源人事長你覺得合適嗎? |
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我跟委員報告一下因為整個籌備處的一個組織機關在內政部那至於明年明年如果要掛牌嘛假設是明年的七月掛牌嘛會牽涉到預算 假設但是這個依據法源在哪裡 |
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我跟委員澄清一下因為現在在籌備處直接在執行的因為在移民署有一個移民事務組60個60位他是以這一個60位為班底在進行籌備的相關業務 |
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議員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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二）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 «行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案》案。netesi |
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發文給移民署看他們如何提出新住民發展署的組織法才能成立新住民發展署的籌備處所以之前在2021年2月18號行政院將成立數位發展 |
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立法院三讀通過組織法法案之後才成立數位發展部的籌備處所以我要求我們的人事長你要跟內政部我們的部長劉思芳說不能這樣的違法行政 |
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三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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信心到現在剛才很多委員在質詢信心連我們有提出新住民組織法但是你連提都沒有提叫做信心嗎我跟委員報告一下因為內政部很重視這個所以他們很認真你要給他足夠的時間去把這個數的功能把它詳細規劃嘛 |
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我跟委員報告這是我們內部有在評估只是現在還在作業不方便講 |
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好,希望你今天講的到明年我們的新住民發展組會生出來,謝謝。好,謝謝,謝謝麥委員,謝謝蘇仁市長。那麼剛剛主席已經宣告,在鄭委員天才發言後,我們就休息五分鐘。那麼有請鄭委員天才發言。我剛剛已經宣告了。 |
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主席各位委員有請這個人事長有請蘇人士還有那個教育部請教育部的哪一位防副署長還是那個防副署長請防副署長委員長好我就直接問人事長好了那個這個運動發展部運動部 |
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五月份 現在是 |
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委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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現在要增加一個運動發展部而且還要修中央行政機關組織基準法第29條本來14個部要增加為15個部為什麼當初沒有去考量維持14個部然後去調整某個部 |
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成為委員會比如說早期就是這樣曾經有科技部對不對是後來國科會因為那個部有限嘛所以就把它又改回來國科會嘛所以為什麼沒有考量這個部分都有評估過都有評估過好這個當然你無法決定了這個部分好我們看 |
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這個新住民基本法剛講的新住民基本法8月12號公布了還沒有施行這裡面特別提到要成立這個三級機關也就是級或者屬那現在就涉及到這個屬啊級啊三級機關70個違憲到底你要改為71 |
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還是要維持70個現在有一個方向了嗎?就是70個不變動不變動所以那14個可以變成15個不這邊就會產生這些疑問了好這個今天個人資料保護法今天在經濟委員會也在談這個這裡面也提到要成立 |
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委員會成立委員會個人資料保護委員會按照那個籌備處的報告是說根據憲法法庭憲判是13號所以要成立這個個資會委員會事實上 |
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這個香港法庭他就提國家亦有義務與法律積極建制適當之組織也沒有說一定要這個二級機關也沒有說一定要二級機關但是你們現在就是弄成二級機關 |
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三）委員 |
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二）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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議員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案．一）行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案．一）行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案． |
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一百一十四明年的預算來已經是一百四十五億四千多萬所以希望行政院人事行政組織能夠支持一律法院的附帶結議何時增加好不好會跟人民會來討論好謝謝 |
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委員趙 |
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三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 案 吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 案 吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 案 吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 案 吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 案 吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 案 吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修 |
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我們何其偉大啊這麼小的地方啊不會這麼多啊其實部會應該要縮減啦組改組改越改越肥啊一直減高啦當然都很好啊越來越更多的部長更多的主委不過大家都搞不清楚老百姓搞不清楚Who is who啊來我第一個問題想再請教一下這個任市長我們都很關心的啦大家都關心啊 |
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明年的五月以後能不能全體放假啦? |
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老生再問一下啦。可以嗎?我委員報告齁,這個議題齁,我們正正的擺,有姚珊相關部會來。開會後,大家還沒有很圓滿的一個共識。你感覺在會議裡面,感覺上大家往一起放假的方向走,有沒有? |
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有沒有這個味道出來?有沒有?因為那不是我主持的我不知道啊你有參加嗎?我沒有參加因為我請我們副理事長主持但是我要委員報告因為這裡面牽涉到一個我看到的一個議題後來會一記錄到我這裡我內心也感受到 |
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提到那個偏鄉小孩子的授教權的問題這個坦白講對我內心是會有一點衝擊所以應該要放假嗎?還是這樣?不應該放假,再放到他們上課的時間就又退了五月以後不用放假就對了 |
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議員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案 案 吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 案 吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 案 吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 案 吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 案 吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 案 吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條 |
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欸!他們一個事業單位喔!你們人事總署管太多了吧!他們要對員工照顧福利!比如說啦!我們現在台土書!台銀、土銀、輸出論銀行!生育給小孩鼓勵生育不是嗎?你是要給多少錢你知道嗎?五千塊!啊你是要飯工股喔!燕灣工股喔!兆豐多少錢你知道嗎?12萬! |
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張華英行審議第三條條文修正草案案的三十六萬?對阿!我都主張審議第三條條文修正草案要一百萬啦! |
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啊 這個你沒在管你沒在管喔 這個東西他們有賺的錢他們給員工福利好一點啊 然後人事都說 喔 那主啊都人事長都說不行了因為什麼單一新婦啊我哥你都聽不懂你都說不行了 都說單一新婦你都說不行了 我特別來這裡就是 |
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8855 |
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8860.202 |
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我昨天才在財政委員會,他們都說主要是人市長有意見,說這是單立信奉,哦,你很大勒,人家賺了錢,人家要照顧員工都賣三天勒,照顧員工賣三天,啊給員工那個伙食好一點也賣三天,都賣三天,為什麼,你要講一個問題嗎?啊,委員報告一下勒,用職工福利金可以來處理那些, |
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市長,我跟你說啦!從上層董事長、台銀董事長、土銀董事長嚇到他們的工會! |
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8902.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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我今天特別來這裡問你這個問題。我公開質詢你。你好好地檢討這個事情。大家都認為一個國營的事業單位,他們要照顧員工是好事。大家必嘛齁。我喜歡工股,結果是台土輸。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
五（委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
8971.596 |
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吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案案 案 吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 案 吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 案 吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 案 吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 案 吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 案 吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文 |
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沒有,我跟委員報告,那是應該因為對那個不清楚,應該本身有一個職工福利金裡面條例,第二條那個可以去運用,這件事我會請財政部回來開會,大家講清楚要怎麼去進行。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
8997.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
現在我們休息五分鐘。 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
9336.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
9360.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
我們繼續開會請列席機關代表請回座那麼請會場的工作人員也請回復到原來的位置那接下來我們有請鄭委員鄭前發言鄭鄭前鄭鄭前委員不在我們請洪孟凱委員洪孟凱洪孟凱委員不在我們有請郭育秦委員郭育秦郭育秦委員不在我們請王委員洪威發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
謝謝主席。我請教,請我們人事長。請說人事長。 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
委員早委員早今天其實主要是我們的行政院組織法還有中央政府的組織基準法這次主要是配合未來運動部的一個升格所以我們要把14個部把它增加為15個部另外我想請教一下就是我們現在的新住民基本法事實上已經通過了 |
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在新住民基本法裡面也特別的就是說政府我們中央政府應該去設置有關於統籌新住民事務的三級單位可是我們在這一次的我們的這個不管是行政院組織法或者中央這個行政機關的組織基準法裡面 |
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| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
9428.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
二）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
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我謝謝委員給我這個機會說明一下事實上從大宴通過這個新住民要成立三級機關這樣的一個法案之後內政部他已經成立一個新住民的一個籌備處那籌備處的成員主要就是他移民署底下會有一個大概60個人左右的他 |
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| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
9517.548 |
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我上次的理解我上次的理解是我們到現在為止行政院沒有針對這個事情來跨部會做這個開會嗎內政部他內部已經開過三次會他已經有針對成立三級機關他已經有開過三次會他要去協調那個業務分工嘛業務分工之後到時候人員要移撥或者要增加多少人我們人總就會介入去幫忙他那所以現在基本上還是會在 |
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| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
9520.309 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 «行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案 |
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9546.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
9555.101 |
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我跟委員報告大概今天會後我們會詢問給內政部請他針對這個籌備處的一個進行能夠速度加快那同樣的我也會打電話跟內政部拜託加快處理這就拜託了因為吼就是因為我們在新住民基本法事實上已經通過已經通過實施那在這樣的一個狀況之下因為我們比如說我們現在看到當然 |
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| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
9595.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
有關於運動部的升格還有相關的這個署的成立其實在立法院裡面我看到部分黨派的委員事上都是支持的所以我覺得這個今天的修法應該是沒有什麼問題但是呢就也有人跟我反映可問題是我們那個新住民基本法已經都通過實施了為什麼感覺好像八字還沒有一撇啦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
二）委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
9619.706 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 «行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
9635.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
9638.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
主席,讓我多一點時間,因為現在川普上來,其實大家最關心的就是他有一個什麼政府效率委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
三）委員吳沛憶 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
9673.976 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
三）委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
9716.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
其實我們不打算去把那個天花板打開啦因為我覺得一個組織的運動當然就是變成無日無之的這樣子增加是不是你一直用家法思考我覺得對國家的整個組織運動也不是好事這個我其實是同意但是我還是爭取積極爭取新庶民的三級單位要趕快的成立好不好我會後會馬上詢問給內政部請他加數好謝謝謝謝委員王委員謝謝蘇委員事長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
9742.814 |
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接下來請楊瓊英委員,楊瓊英委員不在。請林倩琦委員,林倩琦委員不在。請羅明才委員,羅明才委員不在。請蘇清泉委員,蘇清泉委員不在。請葉元之委員,葉元之委員不在。請陳培鈺委員,陳培鈺陳培鈺 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
9752.962 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
9754.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
林委員剛剛在現場是吧?不好意思。 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
9784.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
好,那我們把林培育委員不在。好,那麼現在登記發言委員都唱名完畢。剛剛林倩琦委員在現場。我唱名的時候可能沒有聽到您在場。好,現在請林委員倩琦發言。 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
9803.905 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
主席還有各位立院同仁相關單位的同仁們大家好因為運動方面我們都一直很關心那因為自己本身也是選手所以在運動部的這個組織法我們知道今天是這個林委員你要邀請誰上台請輸入人事長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
委員長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
9835.658 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
吳沛憶等21人擬具 «行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
9853.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
9876.576 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
因為我本身是原住民,我們也知道在奧運今年的獎項,原住民的比例也佔的蠻高的。我們知道賴總統其實在原住民的這個區塊也投注了一些未來希望能夠再推動的資源。這個部分我就希望能夠先做一個提醒,因為目前這個資源在原民相關的單位。 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
9878.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
二）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 «行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案案件》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
9906.853 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
9925.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
這是我往下一個單項協會問題之前我要先做一個嫁接跟平台還沒有到這邊但是也就是說我們其實有提出一些相關的案在原住民的聘用比例上應該要有一定的比例當然這個是比較在署裡面的這個問題但是我們也請這個院裡面能夠在這個區塊幫我們做一個思考 |
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9955.531 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
至於這個行政架構上我這邊也很期待能夠有一個在體育運動部下面能夠有一個原住民相關的專屬單位來做處理我們可以做一個思考當然未來我們可能在法規上還有在這個提案上大家有機會做個討論但是如果有這樣一個機會那也請行政院這邊來支持 |
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| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
主席主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
10002.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
謝謝蘇仁市長,請回答,請黃副署長。黃副,那我想這個問題應該很多人都提過,那我們在巴黎或者是我們在很多的這個交流上我們都提到那個運動部如何跟單項協會的這個不僅是共存而是在政治不介入體育的前提下我們怎麼讓單項協會比較正常化,我想這個部分我不知道在 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
10004.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
徐富癸等17人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
10028.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具〈行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案〉案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
10053.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
10054.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
10066.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
10089.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
謝謝副座所以我這邊還是很強力的提醒你們如何在這個制度裡面在人的部分跟錢的部分做一個處理跟控管然後這個作為選手的我我們都知道整個單項協會一直到下面然後包括比賽的消失或者是比賽的狀況這個我們都整個體系知道很清楚但是除了你們有專責那如何在制度層面上能夠處理這個問題我想這都是我們應有的責任 |
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10098.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
謝謝林委員,謝謝房副署長。所有登記發言委員均已發言完畢,詢答結束。委員諮詢時要求提供相關資料或以書面答覆者,請相關機關盡速送交個別委員及本會。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
10141.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
接下來進行討論事項第一、二案法案之審查由於討論事項第三、四案人種相關預算案本日僅進行詢答所以與一、二案法案審查無關之列席人員可先行離席。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
10166.201 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
另外,為利於日後預算案進行審查。針對人總預算相關提案,請於11月21日下午5時前提出,於時不予受理。特別提醒大家,並請各機關於提案處理前利用時間先與提案委員進行溝通協調,必利後續審查。 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
10170.524 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
10187.949 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
在後續進行討論事項前針對先前黃國昌委員所提會議詢問本席之答覆以及羅志強委員尋及列席機關部分做如下處理一 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
10217.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
本周議程安排由於行政院院會固定於周四舉行由秘書長主責考量行政院組織法修正草案若由秘書長列席報告勢必安排於本周三審查為宜聯動的運動部組織法審查則需安排於周四然而主責的教育部又因教育文化委員會安排本周是同日審查教育部預算如此安排 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
10218.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
10241.238 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
是將造成教育部部長難以兼顧預算審查及法案審查。顧於協調後教育文化委員會周氏排審教育部預算本委員會周三排審運動部組織法周氏排審行政院組織法 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
10242.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
10269.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
那麼至於今日會議邀請列席機關名單如開會通知單所示未有內政部以上說明均列入公報記錄有關行政院秘書長來函指派書人市長代表列席之公文引誦本會委員那麼我們現在先暫時休息我們再進行後續的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
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好 那麼現在先在休息之前我們先進行討論事項請議事人員宣讀提案條文宣讀時間大約一分半那如果有修正動議亦一併宣讀宣讀後稍作片刻休息及進行討論為利於討論審查法案時請主要列席機關代表一致主席台正前方首長席的位置就座那先請列席宣讀條文那先請現在開始變更座位謝謝 |
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討論事項第一案行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案行政院提案第三條除徵訂第15款為15運動部其餘未修正委員徐富癸等委員吳沛憶等委員林一景等委員鄭天才等委員陳冠廷等及委員范雲等提案第三條均同行政院提案 |
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第二案中央行政機關組織基準法第二十九條及第三十九條條文修正草案行政院考試院提案第二十九條除第二項修正為部之總數以十五個為縣外其餘未修正 |
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台灣民眾黨黨團委員吳沛憶等委員林一景等委員鄭天才等及委員陳冠廷等提案第29條軍同行政院提案台灣民眾黨黨團提案第33條 |
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除第四項莫具修正為以75個違憲外其餘未修正。行政院考試院提案第39條第一項未修正第二項修正為本法中華民國99年2月3日修正公佈條文111年1月19日修正公佈條文及某年某月某日修正之條文其施行日期由行政院定之。 |
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委員吳沛憶等、委員林一景等及委員鄭天才等提案第39條軍統行政院提案,宣讀完畢。好,我們就先稍事休息,等候委員到場。 |
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現在繼續開會目前我們討論事項今天處理第一案及第二案主席在這裡做一個宣告討論事項第一案是并案審查行政院組織法第三條條文修正案另外我們第一案在這裡先做一個說明因為今天的第一案有七個版本的提案那是針對行政院組織法第三條第一案只有一個條文 |
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那第一案的部分呢有包括行政院考試院函請審議的中央行政機關組織基準法第29條及第39條那麼另外呢有吳委員配議的版本也是處理29條39條另外林一金委員 |
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鄭天才委員陳冠廷委員只處理29條條文修正草案。但是今天我們有台灣民眾黨黨團所擬具的中央行政機關組織基準法第29條之外他們有針對33條條文修正草案 |
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立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第12會期司法及法制委員會第12會期司法及法制委員會第12會期司法及法制委員會第12會期司法及法制委員會第12會期司法及法制委員會第12會期司法及法制委員會第12會期司法及法制委員會第12會期 |
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提案做說明。那麼對於台灣民眾黨黨團擬具的第33條是不是請口頭補充做說明?請。那我們待會在進行第二案的時候會再讓委員進行大體的討論。 |
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各位委員大家好,很抱歉針對台灣民眾黨所提的第33條法案,我們人事總署因為作業上的疏忽沒有特別去回應,在這裡跟大家致歉。 |
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待會我們在處理第一案的時候請委員在做大體討論的時候請任總準備委員在之前的槌尋當中、詢答當中有問到的問題請預先做好準備。好那我們現在就開始進行第一案的并案審查行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案。請問這三委員由於本案僅有一條條文是否審略大體討論直接進入逐條討論。好那麼依依的話我們現在就進行逐條討論。 |
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目前我們進行的條次是第三條目前有行政院提案主席這邊有包括徐富癸委員、吳沛憶委員、林一錦委員、鄭天腦委員、陳冠廷委員及范雲委員有六位委員及行政院提案等七個版本 |
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請問各位委員對於本條內容有沒有討論的意見?那如果沒有,因為條文內容都大體相同,是否完到行政院提案通過?請。 |
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謝謝昭偉那個行政院組織法第三條的部分偵測運動部我想應該是跨黨派的共識了那只不過說偵測運動部的部分那個施行的日期應該是行政院定是不是可以請行政院的代表說明一下大概什麼時候會施行行政院代表在說明之前也跟我們委員會提醒一下 |
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那個日期我們是在39條,所以在第二案的時候會處理到39條之後會一併處理。那麼如果行政院代表可以的話,現在可以先跟委員會做說明。好,謝謝昭偉還有各位委員。按照我們所掌握到籌備處的一個時程,大概明年8月會成立。 |
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八月是成立籌備處還是正式成立?正式掛牌所以什麼時候會開始籌備? |
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現在已經在籌備了現在已經在籌備所以如果我們今天順利的就這個部分那我們送出委員會那接下來院會完成二讀跟三讀那目前行政院施行的日期會劃在明年的八月是嗎是是嗎好謝謝謝謝黃委員的隨詢那請問各位委員我們對於本條條文內容還有沒有其他的意見 |
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那沒有的話我們本條呢按照行政院提案通過那其他六案內容相同好那麼本條諸條已處理完畢做以下宣告本案審查完略擬具審查報告提醒院會公決那對於本案有沒有要提議交掌團協商 |
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沒有那麼院會討論時由中召集委員嘉賓出席說明那條次引述條文部分文字及法制用語用字授權主席及議事人員整理好 |
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接下來我們繼續討論事項第二案,並案審查中央行政機關組織基準法第29條及第39條條文修正草案。請問在場委員本案是否要先進行大體討論,或是直接進入主條審查?因為三個條文。好,那麼有在場委員認為可以直接,三個條文就直接進行主條討論。好,那我們現在就開始。 |
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那麼我們現在繼續進行逐條討論那麼修正三條那麼第一個是29條那29條目前呢有包括行政院考試院會前以及臺灣民眾黨黨人提案以及委員吳沛憶、林宜瑾、鄭天才、陳冠廷等一共六案那內容均相同那請委員表示意見 |
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請問委員對於第29條有沒有...同意每個版本都一致嘛,同意。好,那麼在場委員同意,那我們第29條是不是照行政院考試院會前提案通過,內容均相同。好,接下來我們處理第33條,那麼是有台灣民眾黨黨團提案,那麼請討論。 |
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請寬委員其實今天早上在巡導的時候針對台灣民眾黨黨團提案第三條的立法子區已經說明得非常清楚了針對有關於目前我們在三級機關下面所設置的數目是以70個為限那現在行政院整體的組織上面都成立了一個運動部 |
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那同時配合新住民基本法要求必須要設一個三級的專責機關來處理有關新住民權益事項的維護那當然目前看起來好像行政院的規劃體育署裁撤了以後那升格為步那空出來的那個署似乎是要留給 |
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本來的體育部在體育部裡面在偵測一個全民運動還是健康數的問題是說那70個就還是滿額 |
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那70個滿額如果被中央行政機關組織基準法上面的上限給綁住的話那顯然新住民基本法這邊到底要怎麼處理就會陷入一個很痛苦的狀態那當然在立法者就中央行政機關組織基準法裡面我們就三級機關的上限把它往上調整那基本上是希望 |
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讓行政機關在配合相關法例的時候能夠有一個相對的彈性能夠存在不要說修了這個法那另外一個法沒有隨之做調整那對行政機關來講也會很困擾 |
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至於說到時候在行政機關內部是不是有需要再增設其他的三級機關這個到時候行政院提案立法院這邊還是要審議只是我們在處理的時候不要通常行政機關組織基準法每一次都隨之再做調整當然跟這個直接相關的事情就是有關於新住民基本法到底什麼時候才要實施的事情 |
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我可以理解人事長今天也是承擔了一些你沒有辦法承擔的事情這個事情也不是你可以回答的但是我覺得在法制作業上面我們會提出這樣子就希望能夠配合新住民基本法的修正 |
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好謝謝那麼吳委員要先發言吳委員發言後我們請行政機關答覆來請吳委員三個部分第一個確實成立運動部之後那有新成立了就是一部一署三中心我如果沒有記錯那所以說會回應在這個全民健康署的部分是不是會有這個 |
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在第33條的第三項的部分 這個我是要先問如果有一個數的話 那個有沒有配套去修這是我第一個問題第二個問題是說就我過去長期以來 在國會的經驗跟理解包括在地方政府也是 常常會有一些增設的新的機關包括我在市政府市議會的時候 那時候我們催生了大地工程處也催生了動保處 |
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所以每一個我想這個國家的法制地方中央都一貫當有一個新的機關產生的時候就會對應去修它的組織原額跟它的基準法所以它勢必是一個蘿蔔一個坑新增或新減然後或是刪減然後去調配它的 |
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三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案案 案件 、 行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案 案件 、 行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案 案件 、 行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案 案件 、 行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案 案件 、 行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案 |
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三）委員林宜 |
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但是我希望這個要回到制度就是一個蘿蔔一個坑否則這個就直接從70跳到75還不知道說是哪一個會新成立我覺得這樣在立法上我是沒有辦法支持的但是呢因為這個條文顯然是要行政院來回答我個人是建議這樣沒有共識的條文我們就可以先通過 |
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我本身對於條到75就理由是沒有辦法支持因為我剛剛我講了不能溢出空的增加五個機關在那裡 |
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三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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請行政機關說明因為我們昨天本委員會在審查有一個運動部組織法那麼有一個全民運動署還有一個教育部的組織法以及三個行政法人的中心那關於第一個全民運動署的部分跟今天第33條的聯動請人事總署說明 |
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到目前我們整體的一個評估還是維持70個就是剛才吳委員所提的增加一個就是減一個的概念就是維持70個維持70個那這個部分我想還是維持目前這樣的一個遊戲規則好那麼請問其他委員對於來請黃委員 |
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我再說明一次喔新住民基本法裡面已經是一個三讀通過生效的法律了他就是要設一個三級機關嘛我們在詢答的過程當中你也回答的很直接嘛除非裁撤掉一個三級機關嘛否則新住民基本法裡面要成立的三級機關沒有辦法成立嘛因為遇到中央行政機關組織基準法的規定我這樣的理解有錯沒有錯 |
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沒有事實上我們也同步在評估現有的70個裡面要去沒有關係啦評估的事情你已經講過了嘛當你們講要評估要研議的時候聽在所有的立法委員乃至於整個台灣社會耳朵當你們說要評估要研議的時候大家就不知道會等到什麼時候嘛要研議的法案研議個五年六年七年所在多有嘛 |
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這件事大家都聽過了啦那我剛剛問你就運動部的部分全民都期待趕快成立我們都支持聽到你說明年8月我們修的法就要開始正式施行我們聽了也很高興啊立法者立了法以後施行日期給你們定是希望給你們作業時間嘛但不是要給你們無限延宕嘛 |
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所以你們可以這麼爽快的說就運動部的部分明年8月可以開始做大家覺得都很好完全沒有要阻礙的意思但就會讓我開始想另外一件事新住民基本法7月16號就完成二讀跟三讀他沒有要成立部他只要一個三級機關 |
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新住民基本法一個在7月16號就已經三讀通過生效的法律說要設三級機關但行政院對於新住民基本法的這個三級機關卻不斷的要研議嘛要思考嘛要籌備嘛我今天詢他的時候我也請教你你要思考你要研議你要籌備到什麼時間今天你也不知道嘛 |
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我看卓榮泰也不知道因為我的蔓玉珍委員在院會裡面問卓榮泰卓榮泰說他還要研議嘛不斷的研議嘛持續的研議嘛一個不的成立一個不的成立喔現在法案都還沒有三讀通過可是行政院做得很積極啊馬上就可以跟大家講明年八月就要啦 |
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另外一個還不是二級機關部喔只是一個三級機關喔法案已經生效三讀生效囉然後你們行政院的態度是什麼要演繹要不斷的演繹持續的演繹我相信啦 |
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兩個截然不同的態度跟行政的效率看在不同的委員乃至於社會大眾的眼中大家心裡都有一把尺這到底是在幹什麼在做什麼事情那沒有關係啊因為司法法制委員會的慣例是什麼司法法制委員會的慣例我們也不會 |
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在這邊做什麼強行的表決嘛我們上次在修吹哨者保護法的時候大家就很和諧啊有不同的意見就保留嘛而不同的意見保留交付黨團協商再來處理嘛但在法案的處理上齁我先表達一下台灣民眾黨黨團的意見這個出去的時候齁請不要把33條丟包 |
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不要把33條丟包你要的就是整部法案就保留送協商看什麼時候要趕快召集協商派行政院有代表權的人來參與協商大家做協商的共識來處理我們都可以接受我們本來提案是本於善意 |
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給你們多一點彈性那你們覺得沒有需要這個彈性要一個蘿蔔一個坑那也可以啊我們到時候協商的時候再來討論嘛我要給你75啊你行政部門說不要不要我不要這個彈性以後要修的時候再來跟動一次中央行政機關組織基準法我也沒意見啊當初為什麼提案到75因為當初提案到75的時候我根本搞不清楚 |
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你們的運動部或者是體育部裡面的三級機關到底要有幾個嘛我只聽到一個口號說要一個運動部要一個體育部啊三級機關要有幾個啊那個時候我們提案的時候還沒有明確的規劃所以為什麼會提到75本來是要給運動部或者是體育部一定的空間去安排三級機關那現在行政院表明沒有必要留這個空間給你們 |
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我也敬表尊重要給你們彈性給你們空間你們不要那也OK但是我們提案最主要的目的新住民基本法已經是三讀通過的法律案了裡面要訂三級機關這個已經是當地喔已經是做出來的決定了那你們要籌備要研議三級機關什麼時候要實施講不出來 |
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體育部倒是講得非常的快那行政院的作業顯然複雜深奧的程度已經超越了一般人可以理解的範圍那這個條文岡委員有保留所以要保留我們競表同意沒有問題就保留但請不要把這個條文給第二包要就一起保留那就交付黨團協商以上 |
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在這裡先處理會議時間。上午會議時間繼續進行至議程討論事項第一、二案法案審查完畢為止。剛剛在提到說我們現在進行的是討論事項第二案,并案審查有六個案子,那六個案子包括三個條文。 |
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二）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 «行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案》案。 |
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所以第二案一定是依這樣的一個二案全案的方式送出委員會那每個條文29條、33條、39條的處理方式依委員會的決定來表達來請吳委員 |
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在第二次發言我剛剛是說如果沒辦法的話保留那我最後機會我還是把握機會想再做最後的說服就是說因為這一次的修法是針對運動部那聽起來大家朝野都非常的支持 |
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三）委員 |
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就如同以運動部的相關他有四個組織法要處理所以說呢當運動部要成立一個全民就是一署三中心都是新的他就會有去修教育部的組織法他會去修這個他的各署的這個基本法會去處理他嘛設置條例什麼的 |
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如果說民眾黨的委員對於新住民的這個部分那當然未來要回到內政部的組織法然後來提對於新住民要設在哪一個機關他叫什麼名字所以讓那個時刻當然再也都可以去push行政部門去爭取每個委員想要的對應的組織但是他勢必要回到內政部的組織法一併提出來 |
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所以我是覺得是不是可以讓運動部的這件事情單純處理 |
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三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具〈行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案〉案。 |
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三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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三）委員 |
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三）委員 |
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謝謝黃委員等一下我們主席先做一個意識上的說明那麼由於我們現在的討論事項第二案是六案合併那其中呢台灣民眾黨黨人的提案是29跟33條是在一個案子裡面 |
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另外的五個案子,他是29條跟39條,或者是說39條單獨。現在有一個困難,就是剛剛跟吳委員說明一下。因為第一,本院的議事規則沒有使用分開的動議。 |
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二）委員林宜 |
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所以我們沒有辦法把臺灣民眾黨黨團提案分成29條照案通過33條做其他的處理所以這裡面跟吳委員做說明一下謝謝那接下來請黃委員我說明一下就是說剛剛有委員發言提到說新住民是不是要再用一個三級機關來駕馭處理對這樣子的陳述我覺得可能要把它說清楚 |
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這已經不是新住民要不要以一個三級機關來加以處理這不是問號這是新住民專責機關一定要以一個三級機關來加以處理啊一定要以一個三級機關來加以處理啊為什麼一定新住民基本法已經是立法院三讀通過的法案啊這怎麼會是問號呢這是第一點第二點我為什麼要把時序講得這麼清楚 |
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七月十六號三讀通過。接著請問行政院,我看你們積極努力的程度啊,看得在很多新住民的朋友眼中會很心寒。現在不要給新住民的朋友戴上太大的帽子啊。說為了新住民延宕體育部的成立,不好意思喔,不可承受之重,無法接受。 |
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我為什麼說這是不可承受之重我再說一次啊 體育部我們贊成啊我從頭到尾沒有不贊成啊但事情要講道理啊新住民基本法是先完成三讀的欸你們一個二級的部喔可以這麼積極喔明年八月要開始正式施行時間都壓出來了一個三級的新住民專責機關講不出來 |
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我再說一次啊聽在所有新住民的耳朵裡面情何以堪啊情何以堪啊現在針對這個案子非常的簡單啊你三級機關的數字一定要調整啊你不調整你怎麼樣去符合新住民基本法的規定還是打從心裡就沒有打算要實施新住民基本法能拖就拖繼續拖看可以拖多久 |
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我知道很多問題人事長沒辦法處理啊所以我才希望今天有行政院的代表啊那行政院的代表要開行政院會很忙沒辦法來,召委準價我雖然不滿意,但我也是尊重所以我才說協商的時候就請他來說清楚嘛那第二個一個月的協商會去影響到運動部的成立嗎?不會啊 |
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因為施行日期是行政院定的啊。我不管是11月31號完成三讀還是多一個月12月31號完成三讀都是明年才要施行啊。你施行日期不是從公告日啊。所以我們沒有要延宕體育部的成立喔。這個話要把它講清楚啊。 |
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多一個月協商就是希望行政院派有代表權的人來說清楚講明白75個彈性他不要那可以到協商的時候大家討論嘛那是不是71個他說71個我也不要我堅持要70個那你就協商講清楚你要廢掉哪一個三級機關那否則的話讓新住民的朋友遙遙無期的等待下去我覺得恐怕啦 |
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三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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請問有沒有其他委員要針對33條發言。來請麥委員發言。謝謝主席。我真的今天聽到就是其他委員講我真的覺得很心寒。 |
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二）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 «行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案»案。netesure |
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但是我們希望的是要成立一個署是來去幫助我們政府多一個機關多一個地方第一個來讓他們可以發揮第二個是幫行政部門解決問題讓國際覺得我們台灣是友善的 |
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三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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我們是推運動就是讓年輕人少朋友讓我們全部的台灣健康嘛要多多的去運動這樣才會增加嘛我們生意力已經減少了還多一個部來增加是不是因為有更多人需要健康但是有健康裡面也包含我們的家庭 |
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三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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但是選舉的時候呢就說我們心裏面最軟的一塊就是新住民我們最照顧的新住民所以我們希望不是你們在照顧而已希望給我們機會讓我們為台灣來付出所以我們要一直來學習一直希望我們為台灣付出但是你們就是我們要在台灣付出是不對的是影響到我們台灣的發展 |
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三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 «行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案》案 |
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三）委員吳沛憶 |
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二）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 «行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案》案 |
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所以只是那麼簡單的增加一個數而已但是每一個人覺得好像增加一個數我們好像是影響到臺灣影響到大家的工作影響大家的發展事實上是增加是對臺灣更有幫助的我們要希望的就是依法來去成立增加一個數但是現在我們的組織法裡面我們是增加一個不也沒有經過任何的 |
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我們立法院來去討論就是說行政部門想要增加這個部是覺得需求所有都是覺得需求才要增加嘛但是我們現在就是人數很多我們希望增加就是專職專屬來去服務對我們台灣的發展是有幫助的也對我們在台灣學習有目標也對我們下一代更有幫助 |
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所以我們希望是有這個署來去做這樣子的一個掙扎的服務不是影響到其他署或者部但是我們覺得行政部門也好我們委員也好覺得好像是現在修這個組織法再掙扎一個署好像是最大的罪惡或者對台灣好像影響很大這樣我覺得聽了是很難過啦 |
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以上報告,謝謝。 |
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請邁委員剛剛在整個討論過程中沒有人說增加一個數對台灣是傷害沒有啊沒有任何一個人講到這句話我們整個一碼歸一碼啦也許邁委員講的這個是新住民的心聲但是我們今天的審查針對運動部運動部裡面我們其實這一條第33條修正也不是新住民你剛所所有的發言 |
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也許令人很感動,但他應該是在新住民基本法的時候討論了之後的發言,他不是在行政院組織法討論的時候發言。因為我們現在是,其實剛才吳世耀委員所講的意思其實很簡單,就是說今天我們是針對運動部的修法所做的配套,那配套目前運動部修法的部分還不牽涉到這個 |
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以70個為限這個問題還不牽涉到未來新住民這個按照新住民基本法要設立這個署的時候他也不是說招牌掛上去就成立了他一樣內政部如果是在內政部他要內政部組織法要修法他一樣就會跟運動部一樣他有相關的這些配套包括是不是要動到行政院組織的基本法來這個改變目前這個這個 |
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三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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之所以會在中央行政機關組織基準法裡面來規定這個70個上限它有它的意義就是說這70個上限它就是希望說不要組織本身不要不要再無限的擴大那我們今天每修一個法 |
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每做組織調整我們就一直把這個上限往上調我認為這個不是說不行也不是說調整這一個是天大的罪惡沒有,剛剛都沒有人這樣講只是說是不是等我們內政部組織法在新入名的這個相關主管機關要修正的時候那個時候再來一併討論這個雙方行政機關組織基準法這個這樣我覺得這個才是應該是只是在程序上面有所爭執而已好不好謝謝 |
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來,請問有沒有委員發言?來,我們請謝委員。主席、各位委員、大家早。其實運動補責我是有參與連署,所以剛才美委員在講文言,這是不一樣的。專門的共識就是說希望在這個體育部運動補責,對我們台灣現在很重要。 |
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但是你要想想我們的務生對一條八千多億到現在三條一千多億,疊疊高騰。啊如果說行政院還急速地說這三級組織安全最寒的到我這,這是每天宿客啊。對新住民我想沒有分洞牌大家都很關心,大家都很聽事。所以不需要在這裡沒有那些修分的對立。 |
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還利用這個規範我支持民眾黨這個案,我也是有支持的。所以我認為要慎重考慮。我也建議民眾黨在這班的總務省對議長的質詢應該要給議長適當表態。你們在這個委員會的質詢裡面應該有一個名字。 |
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所以若是進入協商,我個人是沒有堅持的。但是這個時候就是說,你們利用這順的時候,請移到標台。因為畢竟三篤同軌的法律,我也沒有希望行政院還在外面受到傷害嘛。說什麼,譬如中午聖誕節,三篤同軌法律案,結果行政院沒有執行。其實這中間有一點誤會。結果經過49天後,又回到原點。 |
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議員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案 案 令 行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 案 令 行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 案 令 行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 案 令 行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 案 令 行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 案 |
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三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案案 案 三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案 案 三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案 案 三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案 案 三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案 案 三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具:「行政院組 |
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來到這,代表新竹民的心聲,我也是一巴掌給他們尊重。好,謝謝。那麼本條我想主席這樣一個綜合整理,看看與會的委員如何。 |
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由於今日我們討論事項第二案有併了六案。六案分別處理29條、33條及39條。憑信而論以29條來說目前我們在昨日審議的 |
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三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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對於70個署的數量的規定因此行政院送來的版本及各種的版本基本上是增設了一個部所以今天才會有計準法第29條14個部會要增加為15個部會但是由於在運動部成立的這樣的一個配套當中那麼全民運動署他是取代原來在教育部裡面的體育署 |
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三）委員吳沛憶 |
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那麼行政院的版本及各委員的版本處理的方式是直接將教育部原所屬的體育署把它削減而改為運動部所轄的全民運動署那意味著包括現在臺灣民眾黨的提案他們修改的是29條及33條那麼目前動的是部會從14個增加為15個署的一個那個數量從70個增加為75個那這當然意味著 |
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以剛剛所主張的所謂的新住民署或者新住民三級機關那麼它不受到部會徵不徵社的影響所以我可以理解臺灣民眾黨提案14個增加為15個應該也是響應呼應要把運動部成立才會也將14改為15那至於75個署要不要調整 |
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從70條到75當然蘊含著未來如果我們新住民要成立三級機關他就不受到既有70個的限制但這要端視內政部組織法的一個修訂那由於目前陳如剛省委員所說的目前我們並沒有內政部組織法跟其轄下所屬的三級機關的調整 |
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所以我們不能確定目前行政院對於要新成立的三級機關就是來主管新住民業務的是要在內政部底下既有的三級機關的總數額當中去做挪移跟整併還是需要再增設一個三級機關 |
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那如果到時候行政院內政部對於成立新的三級機關有需求那當然就會影響到我們今天基準法第33條70個這個上限應否調整所以在這裏一併續名也跟麥委員說明一下目前其他的版本沒有去動我們的33條基準法當中70個數的上限 |
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三）委員吳沛憶等 |
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三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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二）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具 |
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三）委員吳沛憶等14人擬具〈行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案〉案。現在33條雖然沒有直接指明是要針對新住民成立三級機關來討論因為70個不代表不能成立新住民的三級機關提高為75個也不等於未來內政部他底下的三級機關會不會用到額外的這5個名額是不是要考慮到說大家討論的標的 |
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目前並沒有內政部組織法修正草案在場那是不是我們三十三條的部分再次徵詢現在有兩個一個意見一個是台灣民眾黨的黨團提案一個是不予修正維持現行條文那如果大家對於這兩個任何之一都沒有共識我們就只能保留所以我現在徵詢我們委員會意見那第一個就是依台灣民眾黨黨團提案來審查通過那大家有不同意見嗎 |
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剛剛吳委員是說不同意見。不同意見。那如果不予修正維持現成條文有不同意見嗎?不同意見。那我們33條就保留。好謝謝。那接下來我們進行第39條。那麼目前39條呢有行政院考試院版以及包括吳沛憶、林宜錦、鄭天才委員等三個案。那內容條文有些差異。那我這邊是不是容我? |
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有個修正動議在場請大家看一下那是不是先請宣讀一下討論四項第二案修正動議一中央行政機關組織基準法第三十九條對照現行條文第一項未修正第二項本法中華民國九十九年一月十二日一月一百十年 |
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十二月二十八日及某年某月某日修正這條文習其施行日期由行政院定制提案人委員鍾嘉斌聯署人委員審法會莊瑞雄陳俊宇宣讀完畢。 |
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好,那這裡呢因為主席這邊是這個對照條文就是39條的修正動議那這裡說明這純粹是大家請看對照表因為呢目前行政院考試院提案的文字內容跟自己行政院在92年11月6號所公布的有關於 |
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法律修正條文他的修正條文的施行日期的空白欄填注的體力的處理原則那麼這其實是行政院自己頒訂但是目前這個行政院跟考試院會前的提案內文 |
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二）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具〈行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案案〉案。 |
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及110年10月28日修正之條文後面其施行日期由行政院定之這是現行條文目前我們在場的條文內容它會在99年1月改成2月3日修正公佈由於修正跟公佈這兩個日期是不會一樣的所以目前行政院考試院提出的條文就把這樣的一個修正跟公佈的日期 |
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以後面的公布日期為準去做修改。那麼我們這邊的修正動議建議條文是把它單純化。也就是說第二項本法中華民國99年1月22日頓號110年12月28日及就是我們後來要修正的某年某月某日修正之條文。就是直接這樣講。 |
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這樣簡化文字之後呢就不會把修正跟公佈啊這兩個日期不一樣的事項呢涵蓋在一個文字敘述當中那麼也符合行政院自己在92年11月6號他所公佈的一個範例體例那請問各位委員是否同意呢我們修正動議呢將現行現在在場的39條的五個案子的最後的文字表述方式依修正條文的文字表述方式來通過 |
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同意嗎?好,如果沒有意見,那我們就照修正條文通過。謝謝。 |
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本案逐條均已處理完畢,作以下宣告。本案審查完畢,擬具審查報告提請院會公決。本案須交由黨團協商,院會討論時由中召集委員嘉賓出席說明。 |
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沒有附帶決議那麼條次引述條文部分文字及法制用字用語授權主席及議事領員整理。 |
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好那麼現在呢我們討論事項第三案第四案行政院人事行政總署相關預算案報告及巡查完畢做如下決議均令定期繼續審查審查會委員針對人事行政總署相關預算之提案再次宣告請於11月21日下午5時前提出與其不予受理本次會議進行到此現在散會謝謝大家 |