| IVOD_ID |
162629 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162629 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第26次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
26 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第26次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-18T11:59:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-18T12:08:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5617cf280bc2552afdd2a287bc9114750c7c4ba622572b97a48dd392130a67361e89c52ab37a9fb15ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:59:31 - 12:08:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第26次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請內政部部長、行政院消費者保護處處長就「公寓大廈公設點交爭議及其處理與預防作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。二、審查「住宅法」修正草案等38案，詳見議事日程。【進行專題報告及詢答，並宣讀住宅法第(二十一)案至第(三十八)案提案條文，第(三十八)案如經院會復議則不予審查。】【6月18日及19日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席我們請劉部長還有這個國土署的吳署長劉部長吳署長有請 |
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委員好部長好請教一下有媒體講說政府有百萬租家庭的支持計畫從2024年到2032年要計畫增加要多蓋13萬的社會住宅內政部去年8月也有提出一個新建的計畫其中包含租金補貼包租代管都已經核定但是新建設宅的計畫還沒有被核定有這件事情嗎 |
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報告委員我想這樣子的一個說法太這個這個比較簡化你把它說明清楚是我想跟委員報告是這樣就是說賴總統當然他會延續原來蔡總統所說的社會住宅興建的部分但是因為社會住宅的興建在過去執行的層面當中第一個我們變成是找公有地然後用公務機關的預算然後蓋這麼多社會住宅 |
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那這樣子累積下來到所謂的20萬戶或30萬戶的時候所動用到的公務預算是非常的龐大跟驚人我想你應該了解所以我們在財務槓桿的這個情況之下要重新思考怎麼樣可以多元取得社會住宅 |
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那所謂多元取得社會住宅呢現在行政院也照會在協商當中第一個能不能讓這個私人的企業加進來譬如說本來是希望找這個所謂的這個保險的這個事業或者保險公司一起來加入第二個我們能不能看現在的國公營事業裡面他們原來就要蓋的這個社會住宅的話可以導入社會住宅另外一個有沒有可能透過 |
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都更或者是整體開發計畫然後在自償率大家是可以接受的狀況之下讓他們很多私人的資金可以進來然後我們用分回取得的方式那包括可能會牽涉到這個榮獎的部分那這些大概有三四個以上的多元取得社宅興建的土地跟資金正在盤點當中所以我們朝著這個興辦社會住宅的方向並沒有改變但是 |
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用公有的土地用公務預算來蓋這個社會住宅這個呢花費的預算跟成本確實是太高我們可能要做一下修正好那請教一下部長齁就是說你說這一個用公有的土地來蓋社宅的這個政策會做修正那其中有一項我先問一下現在有關於說地方政府他們如果說這一個整體的這一個開發不論是區段徵收或是做都更那如果 |
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這個我們有相關的規定要求他們有一定的比例比如說5%3%到5%要做社會住宅那這個是我們還要中央還要出錢給地方嗎還是地方他們自己要來就可以來蓋了 |
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我說明一下好了那當然我們是希望該社宅不會只有中央的責任地方政府本來就應該要擔負責任尤其整開地區在取得上相對是比較容易的那所以我們在這方面一方面要求這個地方政府要保留那有一部分呢 |
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如果是在這個區塊裡面有國公有的土地那這個部分我們會優先整合進來來做興建那如果他是屬於地方政府的那當然我們會希望地方政府你要自己要優先來做那也不可以說全部都要丟給中央來興建我想這個部分中央跟地方大家還是要一起承擔責任 |
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那第二就是說我們會先優選在區位比較適合而且確定大概開發以後很快就會有年輕人會有需要的族群會進來所以我們會選擇確定就是適合的區位再進來而不是全面大灑灑的方式其實有些區位比較相對比較偏僻的那也不一定都很適合我想這個政策的方向會朝這個樣子來做好那我請教一下署長 |
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那所以說現在關於這個整體開發地區的用地我們還要再去買嗎 |
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因為我看到這一個媒體有講說我們還要花費800億然後在整個我們計畫的4成以上還要再去買買這個土地有這個預算嗎我們現在目前來講是希望就國公營土地的話國公營事業的土地的話那我們就優先採用會是用租用的方式租用的方式那如果地方政府那我們希望他優先或是大家改用租用的方式來處理那這樣的話其實相對都是節省成本的一個做法 |
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所以就不用去買了就是用租用的方式對 盡量用租用的方式來處理那這樣金額就可以降下很多啦所以這也是我為所說明在多元取得的方式裡面這些都是其中的一種那也有一些用合作開發也就是它本來是希望朝向設定地上權的它是住宅區那我們就是用設定地上權加容積獎勵 |
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來多取得社宅這也是一種方法所以會用很多元的方式朝向最有利的方式來取得那我請教一下就是說這些蓋社宅的錢是從住宅基金來的嗎那我問一下現在住宅基金現在的金額還有多少說明一下我們到現在目前都是靠行政院撥補的所以每年大概都是到撥補 |
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兩百億兩百億這樣的撥補的話那有一些是從房地合一稅那有些就是從行政專案撥補所以當然會面對未來還是有財政收支花文法的一個挑戰所以我們也常常不斷思考多元取得也是用這個方式來降低整個住宅基金的一個負擔我這邊有個資料說一百一十三年的時候住宅基金的這個短處有達到一百五十二億 |
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行政院都會撥補我再請教一下除了行政院的撥補之外你剛剛署長有提到說這一個房地合一稅那房地合一稅是從這個113年開始之後就是說至少要提撥10%給我們的住宅基金那請問一下都有撥補到10%的這個他說不低於10%一方面給長照 二方面是給我們住宅基金那這兩年有撥到10%嗎 |
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到目前是還沒有啦不過運的這個目標是沒有變因為它那個部分是一個動態的因為它有一些會移到長照有一些撥給長照有一些撥到我們這邊本來就有規定說要給長照用要給素材機器用啊所以它是用這樣子雙向再調整對啊 |
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所以我的意思是說長照其實都有都有拿到足夠的錢另外一部分就是住宅基金的部分的話我看這兩年都沒有拿到百分之十啊是不過行政院還是會其他的不足的部分他還是會用他 |
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有夠用就可以了不是 因為就牽扯到就是說我們的這個租金補貼也是來自住宅基金啊是對啊 這就是環環相扣的啊是對啊 因為我們住宅基金本來是說可以從一部分從防疫核地稅裡面拿過來那也沒有拿到那麼多有 現在拿到 有拿到不到10%啦 對不對對那沒有拿到那麼多 剩下就是變成說由這個中央要來補 |
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那就回到剛剛部長提到我們這個財務法新的財務法通過之後有3700多億下放給地方了對不對我們中央已經沒有這麼多的錢了所以就是說如果這筆錢租金補貼是從這個住宅基金那邊 |
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補貼就從這邊出去的話第一個你從房地合約稅這邊過來的錢就不夠了第二個你又從這個中央又有3700多位到了地方去那我們又沒有這麼多錢補到這個住宅基金嘛那所以當然相對的也會影響到說我們對於這個地方的租金的補貼吧所以這是扣在一起的啊 |
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對啊 所以這個關於這個因為成本法已經沒有辦法這個新財法已經通過了那我是說關於這個房地合約稅本來規定說至少要10%給我們住宅基金的這個有沒有辦法去要求啊 |
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報告委員我們會來爭取啦這個應該是到我們住宅基金的房地合一稅我們會來爭取但是因為行政院他們在撥補預算的時候他們也有考量到說我們以租金補貼為主的部分不夠所以才會每年撥補200億那200億裡面如果你用這個房地合一稅的話其實他就差不多是這個規模啦所以他他從哪裡的稅收撥到這裡面去是行政院主計總處他在做的這個裁量所以 |
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對我們來講 我們收入裡面有這個Quota給我們那我們就很高興但是如果不夠的10%是按照法定應該給的話我們會去爭取對 還要去爭取 還說不低於10%呢是是好 OK 好 謝謝謝謝李坤臣委員 |