| IVOD_ID |
162603 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162603 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第26次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
26 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第26次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-18T10:48:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-18T10:58:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5617cf280bc2552a4300aae502e71e050c7c4ba622572b974c29659fdfe1d1e86c7d451d8d01ad695ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李柏毅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:48:32 - 10:58:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第26次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請內政部部長、行政院消費者保護處處長就「公寓大廈公設點交爭議及其處理與預防作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。二、審查「住宅法」修正草案等38案，詳見議事日程。【進行專題報告及詢答，並宣讀住宅法第(二十一)案至第(三十八)案提案條文，第(三十八)案如經院會復議則不予審查。】【6月18日及19日二天一次會】） |
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部長先休息,我先請署長署長有請謝謝內政委員會回歸正常來討論這個公寓大廈公設典礁爭議那還有這個住宅法的審議那其實我要先對於這個我們設宅其實也有出現一些問題來跟署長做一些政策的建議 |
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台中的社宅他自己蓋的社宅在2023年的時候被台中審計處發文要求改善的內容是說他的工程使用進口劣質低價的磁磚影響公共品質這個東西為什麼會是審計處來檢討 |
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所以我覺得我建議國土署這邊我們有非常多的社宅現在全國正在興建那政策上應該不會到審計處來發現應該是由國土署相關的這些單位在不管是在設計或者是在建造或者是在驗收的時候就應該有發現這些相關的事情尤其有大量的這些中國進口甚至可能 |
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進口到台灣來變成國產的這種現象希望國土署可以來解決這個問題不要到審計處來 署長感謝那過程當中 |
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我們的作業是這樣就是住入中心負責辦理設計跟這個案例是台中市的對我說明一下國土署的做法目前的做法都是我們自己中央的社宅大致上就是國土署是擔任所以主要的PCM那有些案子是擔任監照那我們在這過程當中其實都有一些嚴謹的標準那國土署也都會在過程中介入所以不會只有住入中心在做國土署也在後面做 |
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實質的監督所以過程當中我們的這些廠商的這個廠牌的這樣的部分我們大概會都按照過去國土署在辦理公共建築的標準完全都一致那這一點過程不會改變當然 |
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要防止這一類的部分的品管其實很關鍵就在說你的場驗跟實際的現地施作的驗收這兩件事一定要落實因為過去有比較多的行政單位過度信任場驗 |
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那但是會忽略了有時候廠宴跟實地施作的廠牌有時候會不一致這點我們也會來繼續來要求好謝謝謝謝署長如果說這個要求要包含能也監督到地方政府自己蓋的這個社會住宅我想這個是我們要持續去努力的方向好接下來我們其實今天都是講這個 |
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整套其實就是講居住正義也就是說從今天的排審是排審公共設施的典交其實在上個禮拜內政委員會考察高雄社會住宅的時候也講到了一個很重要的點 |
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附近的居民、里長等等都會反映這些社會住宅的一樓的公共空間是不是應該要作為各方面各方面的使用那在聽取地方意見的時候其實住入中心也盡量把這些納入其實很重要的一個觀念我覺得我可以接受花敬群董事長他對於社宅的公共空間的概念就是說社宅的公共空間它不只是這一棟社宅的公共空間 |
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它是整個社區的公共空間走進這個社宅不管是它的日照、公托等等的它全部都是整個社區可以融入的空間這個是必須要繼續的來推廣的一件事情 |
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那我在這邊也要邀請劉世帆部長重拾設宅853戶已經即將要完工落成那部長不知道什麼時候會來看那高雄的居住正義我必須要講一下今天大家在講的租金補貼來看一下現在目前我們國土署內政部國土署把這些縣市的這些負擔的比例是寫在這樣上面 |
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高雄的委員還是覺得不公平啊不公平的地方在哪裡高雄的社宅其實是全台灣規劃蓋最多高雄的社宅規劃蓋最多的就是為了讓很多必須要去租房子的人他有社宅可以住那高雄的規劃最多卻高雄在這個財化法之後拿到的補助最少 |
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高雄的委員最挺中央的預算那高雄的高雄市政府債財化法拿到最少的補助然後最後高雄的這個租金補貼的比例卻跟 |
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台中卻跟桃園差不多卻跟台中差沒有很多我覺得這些都是不公平的現象那這問題都出在哪裡出在我們財化法的時候並沒有把這些事情拿來討論財化法只是劃下去並沒有把租金補貼 |
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這個到底中央要付多少地方要付多少拿來討論我相信如果要討論的話不會是今天這個結果所以在這邊必須要來提出來對高雄的不公平之外我也要批評拿最多的台北市我也要批評拿最多的台中市台北市才化法多拿400多億再租金補貼只需要多拿18.8億 |
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他多拿400億喔但是他租金補貼必須負擔18.8億他居然說中央在欺負他我覺得這樣不行啦這是金孫嘛這金孫搶錢不辦事踐踏年輕人啊太不合理了這個我想要請部長來回應 |
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部長我重新說一次台北市在新的財化法明年度將多拿400多億現在內政部的這個比例要求台北市租金補貼負擔18.8億蔣經孫居然說不公平這不是搶錢不辦事嗎這不是踐踏年輕人嗎部長 |
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是 到目前為止台北市在六都當中申請租金補助的大概是最少的所以它所要分擔的比例就是18.5億左右而已那18.5億對於財政收支的統籌分配款最多補助的台北市來講其實它應該所佔的比例不會太高更何況我還是一再強調 |
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我們從今年開始地方上在申請租金補貼的時候就是地方政府審查跟核定的中央只是負責做抽查看它裡面有沒有資格不符合所以對於蔣市長昨天在議會或是在公開的場合裡面在批評中央的部分我覺得我很難可以接受 |
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因為我認為說租金補貼本來就是中央跟地方政府一起努力那你們通過了這些名單其實中央政府都非常友善根本也沒有特別去刪那既然沒有特別刪的話需要補助多少在115年到今年之前幾乎百分之百都補貼幾乎百分之百都給過 |
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但是現在中央確實碰到3月的時候的財政收支劃分法過了以後對於我們來講負擔的比重太高已經沒有裁員的基礎之下我們希望回復到原來110年以前的這樣的比例其實並不為過但是最後怎麼樣做可以比較好的這個比例上的分配的話恐怕還是要請這個行政院可以邀集地方政府一起來討論那我們都會按照行政院的規定來辦理 |
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謝謝部長其實這些都是財化法的時候應該要討論的事情部長你請回我最後再請請教這個署長一件事情新青安還有在執行嗎對新青安執行到什麼時候我們是到這個明年的六月底之前我們六月底過後我們就不再建議國土署要找央行現在目前有很多還會不斷的還會不斷的出來因為現在銀行在 |
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核待的這些過程裡面你不斷會傳出有一些年輕人他過去或者是他已經申請親親安那現在核待不下來的問題 |
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那何待不下的原因那當然有很多那其中一個年收入會被拿來做放大的討論年收入到底多少適用新青安我認為國土署跟這個央行要有一定的政策明確的讓這些可能即將使用新青安的這些購物的民眾可以清楚的了解這些到底我到銀行帶不帶得到 |
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根文報告啦因為這的確都是這個財政部跟金管會在掌控啦但是就我的了解的確沒有所謂的這個個人的年薪的這個問題那當然在相關的授信或者是建案本身的問題我想那個都是財政部跟金管會他針對這一個這個授信的這個狀態還有這個查核他會有一定的標準沒有沒有我跟你討論的不是財政部金管會這邊的問題其實就是說租金補貼還是編在我們這裡嘛 |
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是那你會看到大量的租金補貼的需求降低的原因是因為在那裡省不過嘛那我們既然要繼續推這個政策那裡省不過的話確實需要做一些詳細的討論不是只有用銀行的水位來討論還是要為了這些購屋民眾來想一下了解這個到時候討論的時候我們會反應好謝謝謝謝李博士委員下一位我們請 |