| IVOD_ID |
162582 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162582 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-18T10:22:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-18T10:43:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:21:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5617cf280bc2552a8b7aa084c3899b10086ae71f013336e0adf9c1769f7edb4799ca43a5534ac6bc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:22:15 - 10:43:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院副秘書長、法務部部長、衛生福利部部長、教育部部長、法務部矯正署署長、內政部警政署署長、勞動部、法務部廉政署率所屬相關單位列席就「青少年刑案嫌疑人於2024年創歷年新高，達4.7萬餘人次，現行少年輔導、矯正效能，包括校園霸凌處理機制、高關懷學生、安置輔導、保護管束、感化教育、職能訓練、更生系統、中介轉銜機制、追蹤輔導、逆境社工等，及《少年事件處理法》『行政輔導先行』施行迄今近兩年，相關制度之檢討與策進」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【6月16日及18日兩天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝主席那因為前面有一堆民進黨的立委當庭告發我說要研辦我那我覺得研辦是我說的啦好 沒有關係沒有關係沒有關係研辦不是他們講的那我想我也不太適合今天自己可能成為個案 |
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在民進黨口中所謂的犯罪嫌疑人的同時請部長來回答我個人成為犯罪嫌疑人相關的犯罪事實所以我想我前面就先表明一些立場以正視聽因為我如果不講什麼話的話好像以為前面那幾個民進黨立委站在這邊胡言亂語 |
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破壞台灣的法治精神啊而且呢不僅是破壞台灣的法治精神啊更是雙標自己啊我為什麼說雙標自己啊我上一次質詢的時候啊我就問我們的法務部部長啊2012年追緝二檢的事情今天台灣還有沒有發生從召委所接到的那些電話就知道 |
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這是個現在進行式當初為了追緝二檢的時候涉及到民進黨政治人物的貪污案不是播示範帶喔是播實際的硬訊光碟實際的硬訊光碟那時候的民進黨啊是群起鼓手叫好 |
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司法就是要這樣被監督二點就是該被追緝當年的民進黨不僅沒有說違反法院組織法違反個人資料保護法還是全面站起來鼓掌叫好全部站起來鼓掌叫好奇怪了今天的民進黨拿到權力了以後完全變了嘴臉 |
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至於說我放了示範彈偽造文書啊我必須要說啊這大概是台灣法學的第一大發現啊我鼓勵啊檢察官馬上啟動偵探啊我準備拜讀啊你們的起訴處分書或不起訴處分書啊我黃國昌為了對抗二勢力啊又不是第一天被告到目前為止啊到目前為止啊 |
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民進黨對我發動的誣告勝訴率是零啊上一個去台北地檢署前面告我的就許智傑啊他說 院會的時候不投票跑去找民進黨大佬無乃人吃香喝辣所以我講的不是事實只有許智傑去台北地檢署才按完零才按完零照片都出來了 |
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我算是這個人啊財新人厚我還沒有去追加告發他誣告明明知道我講的是真的還跑去台北地檢署按鈴告我丟人現眼啊丟人現眼啊沒有關係啊我最後只講一件事啊我希望民進黨 |
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不要忘了以前追緝二減的理想好好跟台灣人民解釋為什麼我民進黨在野的時候涉及到民進黨政治人物的徵訊光碟全部都公開啊後來在行政院當政務委員的羅秉成還直接寫專文 出席記者會公開徵訊光碟有何不可 |
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如果民進黨今天早上發言的那幾位立委沒有受過基本的法律訓練的話我是建議可以去拜讀一下你們前政務委員羅秉成律師的文章 |
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好這個是前面啦程序上面因為我不要我自己的事情請官員上來嘛這樣不好我們現在就切入要質詢的政體來有請我們的法務部部長麻煩鄭部長警政署署長署長 |
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可以了嗎 可以了齁可以 好 來第一個啊 王逸川啊之前用基地台訊號比對個人身份啊有沒有違反各執法通保法我知道部長的高度啦在這邊不會針對個案表示意見啦這個事情有沒有人告發 |
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這個已經有告發 這個在北檢在偵辦中所以既然已經偵辦了 好 沒有關係那我們就持續偵辦下去我關心的是什麼 這是聯合報這麼大的篇幅 五月詐騙財損上升騙走國人將近九十億我們來看一下 今年二月有降下來 |
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2月3月4月5月詐騙的案件數財產受損的金額不斷的上升這是國人關心的問題詐騙的被害人這麼多我們就非常的好奇我們政府打詐的具體的作為積極的打詐成效如何所以我在瀏覽我們相關打詐作為的時候來我看到的這一張照片 |
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部長跟北檢的檢察長跑去扣案精品拍賣會啊擺拍作秀啊這個照片啊拍得還蠻好看的宣示打詐的決心部長知不知道你去的這個拍賣會他拍賣的精品是哪一個案件這個是一個假投資的一個詐騙案受損金額多少錢 |
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受損金額的話 這部分我沒有統計奇怪 他們找你參加這麼重要的活動背景都沒有說明喔還是只要負責去拍照就好了這部分我想去做一個做什麼 去拍照這個已經新聞稿已經寫得很清楚啦對對對 所以我才問你嘛你有沒有真的關心這個案子嘛你有沒有關心打炸嘛 |
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還是只會負責去拍照作秀嘛 這個是我的問題嘛這個就是一個贊同 就是因為這件就是一個宣誓 這些罰扣的不罰所得非常好 宣誓不罰所得所以我才問你嘛 這個案件 被詐欺的金額有多高你知不知道 |
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這部分我回去再查30億不用查啦 Google一下就有啊全台灣人都知道了啦50億啊50億啊被詐騙的金額50億啊就幾十億嘛偵辦的過程我都如列出來啦查扣了不罰所得有多少 |
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法務部的所得就是這名牌包還有一些的虛擬貨幣那這部分因為個案這部分我沒辦法去記那麼詳細不會啦 都已經起訴啦對起訴 但是我想這是一個態度的問題我要講的重點是什麼這個就是你們法務部放出來的新聞來 部長看一下張款買精品LV香奈兒拍賣不罰所得追回10億 |
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這個是真新聞還是假訊息這就是一個統計的數字的成果的一個標準我跟副長報告回去看一下起訴書這個案子已經甄決起訴了起訴書上面寫得很清楚真正的兩千一百萬沒有十億 |
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沒有10億怎麼會沒有10億呢沒有10億你要不要跟我打賭有沒有10億我就直接跟你講沒有10億這個拍賣本來就是彰顯我們就是要是是是所以你拍賣賣了10億嗎想有這些不乏所得嘛對對對所以你查扣了多少不乏所得我回到我最原始的問題嘛剛剛部長說怎麼會沒有10億 |
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所以你認為有10億拍賣者拍賣的金額這個不是彰顯就是說所以有拍賣10億喔這是我們就是查扣的這些的不法所得所以有賣10億嗎當然不可能說賣10億因為我們查扣的那麼多嘛所以你剛剛為什麼說怎麼沒有10億這個怎麼會沒有10億呢沒有10億啊 |
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我現在就跟你講沒有實益所以我才拿出來質詢嘛如果有實益然後我現在還在問說怎麼會有實益那我這質詢不是沒意義嗎我清楚的跟你講啦我跟你講你說的實益怎麼沒有實際上的一些的效益呢怎麼會沒有呢你追回實益來看一下你查扣了不乏所得有實益你到現在還在拗喔我沒有在拗你是你自己沒有關係啦 |
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你不用想要把你的話塞到我的嘴巴我怎麼問的你怎麼答的所有的公民透過公開透明的直播大家都可以回去看好好的核對看我剛剛問的問題跟你回答的問題到底是誰在胡扯我直接跟你講重點啦我直接跟你講重點啦第一個這個案子我們的官員 |
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破大案了以後 浩大喜功拍照很會真的有關心被害人嗎真的有關心犯罪查緝的結果嗎 |
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然後放消息給媒體不好意思 現在是我講話的時間趙偉 請你可以制止他嗎我都得一個查詢的一個專案然後源頭的行政的一個管理現在是連趙偉在指揮會議部長都不管了嗎這個是司法法制委員會的規矩嗎 |
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趙偉剛剛我問問題我也給他回答現在我要誠懇的跟他講我觀察到的現象怎麼部長急成像熱鍋上的螞蟻不斷的插嘴啊可以讓我把話講完嗎這是我的質詢時間欸麻煩部長尊重一下委員在法務部要事後開記者會發新聞稿我都沒意見啊我為什麼拿這個案子出來講 |
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浩大喜功 拍照 擺拍 打詐有成效結果勒 放給媒體 說追回十億我跟部長講兩件重要的資訊第一個 根本沒有十億連一億都沒有 連一億都沒有 |
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如果我講錯我拜託已經貞節起訴的台北地檢署檢察官今天馬上發新聞稿駁斥我我絕對不會掌握錯誤的因為你知道嗎早在你們在處理這個案子以前這個案子我幫了多少忙我只是沒有公開講第二個第二個讓我覺得很詫異的事情是說奇怪在這個案子裡面 |
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是有查到黑道是有查到黑道怎麼查到黑道的時候像拒見法一樣那個部分就沒有了今天我也是公開提供情資啊公開提供情資啊給我們偵辦犯罪啊的檢察官理解來看一下這個是祖賢羅佩文的照片 |
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這是祖賢羅佩文的照片這張照片檢察官有沒有我不知道但這張照片是出現在什麼地方出現他跟鄭純俊以及其他黑道分子在聚會的場所這是現場照我黃國昌講話向來有憑有據這就是他們跟黑道分子混在一起的現場照在查金流的時候奇怪了 |
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怎麼沒有去進一步追查黑道的金流這件事情我今天在這邊公開提供情資給台北地檢署的檢察官做參考 |
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說你都不是很了解 現在又裝得好像說有啦 我們黑道的部分有在辦 沒關係啊我拭目以待啊 看你們辦什麼東西出來啊好 委員今天的意見 我們寶貴的意見 我們會轉給那個幫你來做訪問好了下一個問題 我上一次質詢的時候我直接檢舉法務部調查局的調查官拿密錄器去操商偷拍未成年子女 女孩子的裙底 |
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然後我說你們有沒有處理那次備詢的時候跟我說沒有處理來現在處理的狀況如何這個調查局在做一個一個一個他們考機會你作為啊調查局上面的大家長法務部部長你認為這應該有什麼懲處這個什麼懲處這要開會是是是作為部長啦以對調查員 |
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的標準你認為一個調查員去偷拍未成年子女的群體應該受到什麼樣的處分這個就依法 依法該怎麼處理嘛全部講空話你有沒有部長基本的態度你有沒有部長基本的態度你認為應該受到什麼處分我就是依法處理嘛依法來該怎麼做嘛 |
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該行政處理的行政處理行政懲處嘛該送應該要送什麼樣的行政懲處那如果說在如果該有涉及行政那就依法依法偵辦嘛應該要做什麼行政懲處這部分我沒辦法跟你講這是有要尊重調查局考機會的一個決定嘛是所以你沒有態度沒有立場嗎為什麼沒有態度沒有立場我現在講就是我態度我要尊重而且我認為的態度就是說這個這個此風不可漲這個我有一些此風不可漲嘛對啊這個該要不要嚴懲 |
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這個肝炎症就是由調查局他們作為機會嘛你不用急啦我沒有急啊因為我看你回答問題的態度跟內容你顯然搞不清楚狀況我沒有搞不清楚狀況你不要再給我貼書我現在就直接告訴你我這個不處理這個個案的問題嘛現在我就直接跟你講我質詢的point嘛每一個案子我只要把它拉到檯面上面來我一定做後續追蹤啊 |
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最後的調查局考紀會給他的懲處一大過一大過現在還在原職這個結果出來了以後我去問非常多調查局基層的同仁我接下來講的是基層同仁的心聲大家都覺得除了這種令人髮指的事情這一大過目前還在原單位繼續任職 |
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沒有任何的調子現在是要告訴台灣人民什麼我們給我們這麼敬重的調查官我們的標準是這樣這個是民進黨政府的性平觀念一大過還在原單位動都沒動我問了一堆人你們可以接受嗎沒有人可以接受 |
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大家都覺得讓調查局蒙城丟臉那天調查局局長派人來回覆我追的問題的時候我已經清楚的告訴調查局如果你們是這樣子輕輕放下的話會讓人對調查局的標準完全沒辦法苟同也會讓大家對於民進黨政府 |
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所謂的性平價值產生嚴重的懷疑再下一個上一次我說連政署可以洩露吹哨者的身份嗎搞了半天來請警政署署長委員好你知道最後的處分是什麼嗎寄了聖劍你覺得這個是在彰顯民進黨政府保護吹哨者的價值嗎 |
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洩露吹哨者的紛紛記憶之深切不痛不癢委員這個就是在處理的過程當中有的審判單位的文書上的疏失文書上的疏失問題是什麼原單位的人不就知道是誰投訴嗎跟委員報告就是說這個陳情的狀況我們就是有回覆陳情影的一個結果是這個結果是由誰回覆的是由處理單位的回覆 |
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就是處理他的單位嘛我跟委員報告以後我們有精進的空間啦這是未來我們這樣叫有精進的空間我請教一下署長你知不知道我們已經三讀通過吹哨者保護法還沒有開始施行嘛那你知不知道依照吹哨者保護法洩漏吹哨人的身份要科育什麼處罰有一些是有刑事責任的那我就直接放給你看嘛 |
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現在是還沒有施行啦 是還沒有施行以前 民進黨政府一直說我們很重視吹哨者的保護啊法案還沒過 我們現在就在做啦做得很認真啦這個叫做得很認真喔蛤 洩露吹哨者的身份 太可惡了深切一次這個叫保護吹哨者署長你自己可以接受嗎我們會再做精進 |
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要怎麼進去我們現在已經對於這個法的還是說下一次再發生的時候大家就有樣學樣嘛在機關內部我們不是要求平等原則公平原則嗎為什麼他洩漏一枝深切你要重懲我到底在哪裡我看不下去啦我會在這邊公開質詢就是我看不下去啦包括那個調查員的案子 |
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包括這個洩漏吹哨者身份的案子我敢在這邊公開質詢把我的標準講得很清楚我也要接受公民的檢驗嘛如果一般的台灣人民說黃國昌講話沒道理洩漏吹哨者的身份一隻身鑒很嚴重了要不然你還要怎麼樣那當然是我理虧嘛但是我不認為如此啊 |
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洩露吹哨者的身份一隻生戒這是在開玩笑這叫做保護吹哨者署長你聽得下去喔你認為這是警政署保護吹哨者的態度嗎還是以後跟警政署前舉的大家小心喔你的身份被洩露按照警政署的標準就是一隻生戒就了事了是這樣嗎 署長 |
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黃委員這個是沒有要洩漏他的這個意思這個是他處理文書的一個現實上面不就洩漏了你讓處理他的單位回覆他那處理他的單位不就知道他是誰這不是洩漏什麼是洩漏我有說錯嗎署長 |
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未來我們處理的這個方式應該是不會做這樣的一個處理這個案子之前就說不會啦阿發生了以後怎麼辦記憶之深界在搞笑喔在搞笑喔OK好謝謝 |