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| 會議時間 |
2024-11-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部數位產業署單位預算。【僅進行詢答；委員預算提案於12月3日中午12時前截止收件】） |
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好我們現在開始開會出席委員已主法定人數現在開始開會那請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第8次全體委員會議．事由．時間113年11月4日星期一上午9時至下午1時43分．點本院紅樓201會議室出席委員李坤哲等14人．列席委員蔓玉珍等28人．列席官員交通部部長陳士凱等．主席魯昭吉委員明哲報告四項宣讀上次會議一事錄決定一事錄確定 |
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一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱等進行專題報告並備諮詢二、邀請交通部觀光署署長等進行專題報告並備諮詢本日會議由交通部部長陳世凱等報告後繼由委員李坤哲等25人提出諮詢均經交通部部長陳世凱及相關人員分別予以答覆決定一、報告及詢答完畢二為林倩起等二人所提書面諮詢 |
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均列入紀錄並刊登公報。三、委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分。請相關機關建樹以書面答覆。散會宣布完畢。好,謝謝。那我們現在先介紹列席人員。首先介紹數位發展部黃燕南部長。謝謝。還有我們數位策略司蔡壽幹司長。 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算 |
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數位產業署代理署長林俊秀國家資通安全研究院吳啟文副院長行政院主計總署公務預算處陳台偉科長本次進行資通安全署和數位產業署單位預算審查首先邀請數位發展部黃燕南部長報告 |
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主席、各位委員大家好今天應邀列席委員會審查本部資通安全署跟數位產業署114年的單位預算深感榮幸感謝各位委員對本部各項業務的支持和指教 |
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本部會扣合總統國家希望工程政見所提出的打造台灣成為智慧科技島的數位政策以及建構以人為本的數位新社會提出數位發展三支箭作為未來施政的重點聚焦於積極強化打造強化數位韌性發展數位經濟同時兼顧防弊和新力積極促進全民數位轉型 |
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1954.625 |
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以下請梁署就114年施政計畫跟預算編列請行進行報告謝謝 |
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主席、各位委員今天應邀來報告本署的114年施政計畫重點跟預算編列情形非常的榮幸首先先感謝各位委員給予本署業務上的指導跟支持讓我們的各項施政可以順利推展僅次上最高的謝程以上僅就113年預算執行情形跟114年度的施政重點預算編列情形來分別報告 |
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一百一十三年度的預算執行我們分成稅入跟稅出那稅入我們有達標而且超標主要是因為我們的職能考試來應考的人比較多所以我們職能考試的那個收入負策評量的收入變多 |
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二、審查113年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算案關於數位發展部資通案件關於數位發展部資通案件關於數位發展部資通案件 |
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自動系統的基礎架構還有資安威脅情勢分析的案子整個加進來之後我們整個的執行率可以到91.38那114年的市政重點我們有以下的重點第一個是推動自動安全法來完善我們的法規實務的運作 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。 |
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第二點是我們會推動國家自動安全發展方案來提高整體的那個資安的整體發展策略的完備性然後來建立國家的資安聯防體系也會強化關鍵基礎設施的那個防護能量來 |
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降低資安風險那我們也會把防護能量擴增到民間單位因為關鍵基礎設施其實有蠻多在民間單位然後我們也會強化公司協防來增加我國整體的資安防護的韌性那第三部分是我們有做那個資安的攬柴跟訓練賠利的工作那這個工作我們會加強公司協力來提升資安課程的開發跟培訓的量能而且也會辦 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位 |
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2168.166 |
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委員會議 |
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包含綜合規劃我們有推動國家資通安全管理方案也會推動那個資安聯防的生態系那在通報業務方面我們其實是加強整個資安事件的應儲跟情資的分享還有資安建設的經費輔導培訓的部分我們會辦理那個資通安全的人才培訓還有只能轉換等等的費用那集合的部分因為在明年度我們會增加集合的場次也會擴增到 |
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關鍵基礎設施跟特定非公務機關還有其他的地方政府等所以我們也會全面推廣就是推加強我們資安的那個檢視跟全面建置我們的集合分析的環境也會加強我們的那個分析的能量然後在法規部分我們會推動資通安全法也會增加國際的合作 |
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2255.786 |
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那本署為了推動國家資通安全發展政策還有推展資安主動防禦機制跟建立資安聯防集合人才培育的的機制來強化我國的整體的資安防護韌性114年的施政計劃其實是已經是依據我們真實的狀態去橫著 |
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主席各位委員大家好今天應邀列席貴委員會報告本署114年施政重點 |
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2294.105 |
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以及預算的編列請請深感榮幸首先感謝各位委員對本署在過去在各項業務上的支持跟指教以下就113年預算的執行情形以及114年的施政重點以及預算編列來跟各位委員會來報告 |
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第一個是113年預算執行期在稅務的部分113年稅務預算是兩萬一千元那到十月底為止我們累計分配的預算數是一萬八千元累計執行數是八十一萬五千元當然執行率就超過不過主要是專戶的存款利息的收入 |
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那稅出的部分是113年稅出的預算是35億5000多萬元到10月底為止累計分配的預算數是31億8000多萬元累計執行數是31億800多萬元執行率是97.71% |
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再來是有關114年施政重點的部分本組依據部長規劃的三支箭就是打炸強化數位韌性以及發展數位經濟作為施政主軸並且推動各項措施來加速各行各業的以及社會的數位轉型以下類數 |
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第一個是厚植軟體基板建設優化政府的數位採購機制推動軟體及資訊服務業的發展並且協助產業來進行數位轉型我們會輔導資服業來轉型為雲服務而促進中小企業透過雲服務來開創一些新的商模以及新的市場我們會發展前瞻的數位科技培育跨領域的人才及國際合作交流 |
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2398.522 |
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2423.3 |
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我們會鼓勵業者開發數位創新應用並且積極促進商轉以及開拓商機並且透過數位科技的導入帶動各行各業數位能力的提升二、推動次世代通訊跨域的應用我們會加速業者提升5G專屏專網的整合技術並且與業界共同開發具有商業價值的應用服務 |
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透過數位內容軟體服務以及通訊設備的垂直整合協同網通業者、應用業者以及系統整合業者共同進行場域的深化試煉來發展數位經濟產業協助業者進行數位轉型 |
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三、以資料創新為核心發展多元資料的普惠工具。護導業界投入人工智慧創新的應用以及加速創新產品的商轉落地建立與國際接軌的AI的認驗證的體系來加速可信任AI的發展並且培育AI的人才擴大AI產業的應用促進產業AI化及AI產業化的目標我們會積極透過這個資工訓科技的應用來協助公司來打仗 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算：完整會議 |
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在深化資安的關鍵技術的研發並且促進資安產業的發展。我們會推動精明通用的這個資安的關鍵技術以及無人機的資安檢測並且促進國防資安的國產化另外我們會協助產業來強化通信基礎建設 |
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目聯網及公共等資通訊的安全來鞏固我們在全世界供應鏈的關鍵地位我們會以系統整合策略、跨域服務稱與國際的數位產業的協作推動臺灣成為數位技術數位科技解決方案的供應樞紐加速我國智慧解決方案的對外展示以及拓銷並且協助地方運用數位科技來發展創新性共通性的數位公共服務輔導其參與國際評評比如說ICF |
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並提升我國自衛城市的國際年間度在114年的預算的編列請指首先是稅率的部分114年稅率編列是八十萬兩千元較上年度預算增加了七十八萬元那主要就是剛說過的專務存款的利息收入在稅出的部分114年稅出的預算編列四十五億三千多萬元較上年度的三十五億五千多萬增加九億元 |
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各業務的編列情形如下首先是一般行政我們編了兩億六千多萬元是因為本署的人員的維持會以及基本的行政的工作維持等等較上年度增加一千多萬元主要是減類我們在華光特二的一個先期規劃的368萬元但是我們增列的我們因為打砸增加13個13個那個元額的人事會以及員工的薪資 |
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再來是促進數位創新動能轉型升級我們編列了42億6千多萬較上年度32億增加9億多主要是包括底下那第一個是在資通訊的數位升級的金額我們編列17億較上年度減列了高齡的這個1億4千多萬增列了我們的跨域軟體基板的1億9千多萬 |
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另外在策進數位跨域應用及平台服務經費的這個項目底下我們編列了25億9千多萬叫上到去年度的增加了9億多萬主要是第一個是我們要推展這個AI包括深層式AI以及建北式AI這個是對台灣未來是相當重要的所以我們編列了21億叫上年度增加7億多元然後第二個我們持續會 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算 |
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結語的部分本屬以提升產業供應鏈與全民數位韌性整合與學導各部位的資源並且從推動社會共榮加速產業轉型強化應變韌性的變相來強化數位114年預算西佩爾整體政策請請各位委員能夠會議支持跟指教最後敬祝各位身體健康萬事如意謝謝好謝謝林代理署長的報告 |
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現在補充介紹在場委員首先歡迎林佩祥委員接下來介紹李昆澤委員我們現在先來確定上次會議議事錄請問各位委員對議事錄有沒有意見沒有意見議事錄確定 |
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現在進行詢答先宣告以下事項詢答時間出席委員6加2分鐘列席委員4加1分鐘委員發言登記於10點30分截止各委員如有提案請於10點前提出以便議事人員會診暫定10點30分休息10分鐘中午原則上不休息好那現在請登記第一位委員林沛翔委員發言 |
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好謝謝主席有請黃部長黃部長其實我們都很清楚我們知道說速發部算是針對打詐的第一線那請問你知道到目前為止到今年11月到目前為止每一個月我們國家被打詐金額是多少 |
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每天大概3到6億嘛大概100億對所以每個月所以現在目前已經超過1000億那我在這邊看到的預算在這個應該是知安那個應該是那個數產署的另外一個裡面有一個有關是今年對老實講我覺得這個編列預算我總覺得有點怪怪的我們今年只編了3億來去針對數位的這個數位的那個智慧防詐 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算：完整會議 |
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委員會議 |
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因為我們當初期待部長過來就是因為部長是業界的人對吧那我其實是在看整個預算的時候我發現一些奇怪的地方請問一下部長以業界的角度來看一個所謂的Email Emphasis Threat Detection Platform也就是所謂的這個電郵跟惡意威脅的建制平台請問在業界知道這個平台要多少錢 |
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拜託請問兩年3800萬之後 |
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總共兩年花了我們納稅前7600萬那請問他的成效在哪裡?請問資安署吧請問資安署花了7600萬之後成效在哪裡?對於他這個EmailEmail and Visual Threat Detection Platform |
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這就是所謂的電郵跟惡意威脅的那個溝通平台請問你花了七千六百萬那我想請問說當部長講說其實幾百萬就有東西為什麼花七千六百萬那成效在哪裡那個包括那只是軟體還有維運維運我們剛剛沒有講維運的費用 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。 |
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我只是...而且其他的還有其他什麼資...我記得我那時候看到很多平台欸那這些平台到底發揮了什麼功用呢每一個都是1800萬、3000萬、3000萬、2000萬的這個平台至少4到5個平台對吧你們...對吧我只是...這個我需要...我都需要細部資料喔 |
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因為既然我看到我們都覺得很奇怪而且甚至來講說為什麼這個所謂的這個整體政府資通安全防禦技術即系統韌性強化經費 |
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總共14億今年就編了將近7億我記得沒有錯今年就編了將近7億那可是我直接進去看裡面那個預算書的時候好短啊三句話13億就不見了請問一下到底你們做什麼事情呢而且說給政府來做活用然後用宿外科技來解決重大社會事件要花14億對吧是你們自己寫的啊你們把那本書拿出來自己編的預算怎麼不知道呢 |
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我不會預設立想說你們亂編但是你們這些到底講些什麼東西部長你知道你自己下面編的這14億到什麼地方去了嗎委員你們現在講的是哪一個預算他們說他們沒有看到這一筆沒有資通安全署你們上面自己也有寫資通安全署上面整體政府資通安全防疫技術暨系統韌性強化強化經費總經費將近14億分4年辦理 |
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今年就要負責說負責6億9500萬這是你們自己寫的在上面啊那我直接看進去裡面預算書的時候裡面只給我五六句 |
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部長我很好奇我們國家納稅錢就是隨隨便便這樣編出來的啊報告委員基本上我沒有看到14億的這個這樣你們自己寫的耶這是你們先來報你們自己都不認帳啊 |
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我個人我從來不會預設立場但是你們這邊自己寫說14億資通安全署負責6億9591萬那我就很好奇說你們這個東西寫的說是用數位科技去解決重大社會事件然後講的說用什麼要符合政府的彈性那這到底是怎麼回事 |
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拜託部長如果連你都不知道的時候你們如果第一時間你們今天來這邊是來這邊就是來來幹嘛的報告委員這一筆預算是我們提的計畫是除了那個單數之外還有其他部會我們一起做的聯訪提的那個計畫預算那你們在幹嘛幾句你可以算得出來吧很短那七句就13億就不見了那為什麼會怎麼會有這種東西呢任性兩個字就代表13億嗎 |
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報告委員其實這個是所有的部會在4年要執行的預算並不是全部資安署資安署在整體的預算是7億在14年什麼叫做用數位科技解決社會重大事件 |
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報告委員我先跟您簡單報告一下資安署114年要做的事情第一個是對不起我是針對這個預算而且老實講資安署是因為你們編的資訊我們在看的時候覺得很納悶這錢怎麼會這樣子做包括剛剛講的這些還有資訊人才資訊人才交流流通平台1800萬 |
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就在你剛剛我剛剛講這個上面是報告委員這個我想請問這些平台的功用到底最後在哪裡因為我們當我們在看整個預算的時候我只能講兩個字疑惑而且我老實講我是我是當初去看的時候是以不預設立場情況去看的可是當我跟那些專業人士去討論的時候發覺說這幾筆預算好奇怪甚至如果說就拿直接上面來講說辦理國家資通安全政策3億對吧 |
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那3億那個數字難怪人家說一句話說要看細節魔鬼在細節裡面可是會覺得說哇這到底是怎麼回事呢我覺得我會我會請我辦公室每一筆每一筆我都需要詳細說每一筆每一筆我都需要資料因為我說真的我如果說動不動13億就7億就不見了那我會絕無法接受 |
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我今天老實講,部長 |
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你如果你是我在這個位置上面你看到這筆錢這樣亂用的時候你會覺得說我們國家的納稅及我們國家的財政如果說困難一天到晚取債是為了些什麼那我要請部長請數位發展部提供各項計畫細部的計畫的整表沒問題我們會說明但是那個剛剛委員看到很多事全部部會加起來的資安預算所以這個我們再提細部說明好謝謝 |
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好謝謝林佩祥委員接下來邀請林國成委員發言好謝謝主席請黃部長請黃部長治安署署長還有產業署林代理署長林委員早 |
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委員長好部長我要特別剛才林佩祥委員阿在做詢答的時候我建議阿我建議所有要說明的就說明不要簡單跟我們報告因為我們要很認真的來做執行 |
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但是你簡單跟我們報告這個是對院會非常不尊重的用意這點我想等一下備詢的官員通通不要對我們簡單的報告要很真心的很認真的來回答問題如果用簡單的報告那你的意思叫我們也是簡單來審一審喔所以部長這個我是給你建議因為數位部委剛成立不久 |
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其實任何編列預算因為今天主席拍這個測程除了詢答之外也要了解你們編列預算整個過程我還是建議我還是建議主計人員隨時要在旁邊部長 |
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可能是瞭解大問題但是小細節主計人員如何編應該他會比較熟悉這點我是一個小小的建議來第一個部長我相信啊你管不了這個第一個資安署對於員工編列預算去年跟今年差一千多萬 |
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這個原因在哪邊來回答一下來我請那個署長報告委員請我跟你講人眼一樣一百多人但是這個部分為什麼少一千多萬 |
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是,我們其實是配合部的主計的要求,那部的主計是說因為曾屬的人﹗沒有啦,那一千多萬是什麼啦他是說曾屬的員工有些時候常常被外面給挖走嘛,所以就是不是always都有人,所以部的主計是信我們就是不用滿編這樣子好來,主計的議員來,他編這個預算是少了一千多萬 |
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跟委員報告齁那因為人事事案你不要跟我簡單報告齁認真的報告好不好是謝謝那我們按照他的資安署的編制預算顏額那逐項去逐顏額去算按照他每一位都有他的職等職務類等那第二個就是說我們機關成立了兩年度 |
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來部長你聽的我告訴你們這裡面就是什麼兩種 |
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一就是加班費二就是獎金我就覺得很奇怪啊我們比對起來是這兩項欸你們人緣都一樣欸人緣都一樣欸但是我們比對起來確確實實就是加班費跟獎金的部分是大幅三減 |
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我的意思你們當然可以刪減但是我們身為民意代表我相信我們所有的立法委員一定是主張該刪的刪不該刪的不要刪但是不能回了其他單位但是授了所有的員工所以這點部長我坦白跟你講我們發現這一千多萬就是加班會嘛 |
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還有一個就是獎金嘛所以我們比對出來是這樣如果你們認為這不是這樣那為什麼今天我會提出這個問題讓部長瞭解你們自己要去看一看你用挪作我們的立場很簡單立法院的立場該用的用不該用的刪但是這些東西是我們職工的加班費跟他的獎金我認為這沒有必要欸 |
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為什麼因為這署裡面現在要面臨的挑戰是打詐的問題要不要加班你們只有欸聘僱人員三十幾個編列總共是一百多個人欸要加班欸你都不給他加班費啊你是要叫人家啦 |
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這是一個勞務的刻薄所以保定我給你建議這個部分你們好好稍微去調適一下我們不是針對預算是希望你們不要對這些職工對這些公務人員對以加班會跟獎金的苛刻我的理由很簡單保定我是歡迎這些給你啊這個也是代表我們所有的立法委員是有在看你們的預算的 |
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是有在看你們的預算的雖然一千多萬我們也可以打pass過去可是最起碼我們的立場是替所有的公務人員所有的聘僱人員他的加班費獎金不能少 |
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為什麼這個部分我建議部長好好去瞭解一下謝謝委員那主席好來謝謝委員那也拜託委員能夠支持我們的預算那這個有關於員工的法律義務我們絕對不會去刻口那在執行的時候我們也會請治安署的調配 |
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主席人員我跟你講我時間有限啦我還有議題啦我要拜託這個部分不要嘴巴這樣講那我抓出來就是你的加班費跟獎金是減少的其他通通沒有減少針對職工跟公務人員的苛刻這一點我們是不贊同的 |
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3725.462 |
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當然你們編列了預算我們只能刪可是這個刪下去怎麼辦呢這個我希望部長你們要亡羊補牢可以受了自己不要受了我們的職工這一點我認為你們以後責任很重大這個部分加班是勢必的因為你們面對這些新的挑戰你們說不加班我才不相信 |
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3726.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
3731.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署 |
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3747.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
3763.139 |
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有沒有被盜用?報告委員沒有但是我請市長做個說明簡單簡單簡單是沒有報告委員我們知道這個消息之後我們就有去查包括我們整個平台發送簡訊的狀況還有請電信業者幫我們查都沒有找到冒用的情況 |
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3763.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
3782.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
有喔高雄有一件喔欸我們召回在這裡高雄有一件你們這一件查了怎麼樣這個刑事檢查局現在在查啦那他們出過的那你說沒有欸對他們出過的想法是說那個是那個可能是偉茂的一個基地台是啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
3809.129 |
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那你們不是在宣導111短碼簡信是政府的東西是不會被騙結果你知道嗎騙的人是用你們111欸下去是詐騙集團連結欸那也沒有關係要查清楚好不好對啦不要黃部長的名字被人家去盜用那這個欸這個111就是你的招牌欸 |
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3810.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
3810.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
壯庫供給這個你知道嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
3840.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
3841.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
撞庫供給 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
3861.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
3864.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
3879.426 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
3905.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
我希望部長要去責成現在的壯庫供給是最新穎的東西所以拜託國定JDI資安署或什麼東西要全部動員去破解他這些不能讓讓讓最後一個就是我們的媒體媒體溢價化 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
媒體議價法到底你們現在因為公聽會我們開過喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
3913.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
3936.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
你曾經有一段時間也要來跟我溝通這個你能不能現在做的情形簡單二要跟我說明現在做到什麼時候我們現在就是這個需要跨部會協調所以我們現在就是在在行政院不是啦普通我知道啦你跨部會但是你們總是要有一個輪廓嘛那到最後才行政院去跨部會嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
3939.058 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
接下來邀請李坤哲委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
3994.531 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
謝謝主席請一下黃部長還有數位產業署林俊秀代理署長還有林代理署長委員長部長好我們臺灣的這種遊戲產業它的發展性的空間非常的大那如果我們看到PwC就是全球娛樂及媒體業的這樣的一個展望報告之中 |
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3995.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
3999.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。二、審查114年度中央政府總預算：完整會議二、審查114年度中央政府總預算：完整會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
4014.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
4041.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
遊戲產業的市場調查公司NewRule的這個調查報告2024年全球遊戲產業的產值大概是6兆910億元那2027年會增加到6兆9217億那台灣是數位的先進國家啦那我們在全球的市場所佔的比例不到3%為什麼是我們的 |
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4043.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
4065.235 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
能力不足還是政策錯誤還是預算不夠來請說明一下那個報告委員那個遊戲產業的確是一個很大的一個市場那的確這個我們都很重視那素產署本來就有一些Program在補助遊戲業者那當然這個我個人認為就是我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
4067.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
委員會主席委員會主席委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
4087.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
4110.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
不管是在相關的遊戲產業或是相關的應用方面我們不管是我們的科技、我們的人力、我們的數值其實都在世界來說都是名列世界前茅的但是我們的數位的這樣一個電競遊戲這樣一個產業它是最沒有國界的一個產業但是我們占不到全世界的3%來來請蘇亮簡單說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
4130.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
我希望台灣人能夠玩台灣的遊戲所以我們在109年開始就補助獨立遊戲因為這個他們都是很有創意而且很有製作能力的我們到目前109年每年補助8到10家的話現在應該有大概7到8個已經在發行 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
4132.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
4146.904 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
市長我簡單跟你說明一下2021年行政院就開始推行智慧國家方案就是透過獎勵跟補助的方式來讓這些整個國家的這些數位產業電競遊戲這些都能夠朝向這樣一個重要的無國界的產業能夠有實力的一個發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
4155.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
4179.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
但是我們來看數位部的補助其實是不夠的杯水車薪是沒有辦法建立良性的循環我們來看目前遊戲的製作成本手機遊戲大概是500到800萬單機遊戲大概是400到1000萬那大型的主機遊戲它可能要高達上億以上了署長應該很清楚但是我們數產署的獨立遊戲開發獎勵暨產品化的加值計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
4185.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
4194.709 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
從2020年到2024年5年之間總共補助了43款的遊戲平均每款補助180萬元這樣要怎麼做數位電競遊戲的這樣的一個產業推廣呢 來說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
4204.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
4204.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
委員會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
4225.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
4251.971 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
你現在號稱有100億但是我們看到我們整體數位部的這個預算編列這種創新軟體才編了大概1億9千萬今年喔明年是更少1億7千萬你看看你這個補助每款才補助180萬元而已那這個獎勵沒力啦沒力嘛你就預算也不夠然後誠意也不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
4253.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
4274.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
我們來看這個遊戲產業是可以推動世界來認識台灣我們有好的文化實力你看台灣國產遊戲2017年的這個返校那以台灣白色恐怖時期來做背景創作那我們看到這個玩家統計國外的玩家超過9成而且可以延伸更多的影視作品 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
4277.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
4305.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
遊戲產業我們來看世界各國也都改編很多影視的作品瑪莉歐、神奇寶貝、惡靈古堡之類的古墓奇兵、憤怒鳥還有文化特色的遊戲不管是信長系列、對馬、戰鬼、人中之龍、戰神、刺客教條這不只是電競不只是數位的產業它還是一種推動文化宣傳一個重要的途徑來簡單說明一下我們做了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
我們目前也希望他把臺灣的這個文化的元素融入他但是做世界的發行所以這個是我們我們現在也在找發行商報告我來具體建議啦我剛才都說你們這個遊戲才補助180萬做一個小型的遊戲都要400萬以上我們的這個補助啊真的是沒有辦法去推動這麼重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
4332.023 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
4349.046 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
4374.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
我具體的建議部長應該要爭取預算要增加補助金額及業者的名額第二在原有的補助基礎之上要舉辦玩家的票選期待遊戲的活動那得獎遊戲列為增加補助名額以及增加獎助的金額然後增加互動性同時也要促進遊戲的曝光跟文化的宣傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
4389.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
另外要建立講注政策進入良性的循環就是保留既有的講注政策之外應該要研擬未來來成立發展基金以投資的方式來輔助業者進行遊戲開發並且將收益滾入基金持續來擴大投資的規模來促進臺灣遊戲及數位應用的產業發展部長那你簡單說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
4401.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
4409.593 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
謝謝委員建議我覺得這個建議都很好那我想這個我們再回去看怎麼樣在我們的那個這個遊戲的這個一個計畫裡面去做調整好那現在我們還有一個重要的問題就台灣的開發遊戲啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
4439.793 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
但是收益卻過半都是國外的業者我們現在目前的遊戲平台大家都知道遊戲平台業者大概收取收益大概30%那跨國稅款大概10至15%那剩下的才由開發商跟發行商來依照協議的比例拆分或者是評分那台灣的開發團隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
4441.474 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
4465.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
大概擁有的收益大概只有25%左右那臺灣的遊戲產業的收益無法最大化那我們應該要協助國內的遊戲發行商來建立全球的行銷能力這個部長跟署長你也應該都知道我們現在很多的這種電競遊戲的發行其實都是跟中國合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
4467.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
4489.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
那其實沒有自己的發行商那這樣會造成很多的問題如果中國在這樣數位產業的競爭他要卡住我們我們的數位的電競遊戲發展空間就一下子幾乎幾乎會被團滅了第二他們也都會進行實質的審查那之前有一個遊戲還願 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
4512.204 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
委員本來是有上架後來查到說裡面有一個什麼鬍鬚有寫習維尼或什麼就被下架他下架之後他沒有辦法在其他地方再上市再上架了因為他們有訂合約嗎然後我們看到整個我們台灣培養了很多遊戲團隊也會被中國買走啊我們沒有自己的這樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
4518.905 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
4535.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
全球的行銷能力,我們沒有這樣一個平台來再說明一下,部長這要怎麼樣?委員這個建議都很好了,就是這個建議全球行銷能力。部長今天我來一直你都說很好,然後就是說你們目前都做得不好嘛。其實就是這樣。 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
4538.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
4550.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
因為時間的關係我最後再講一個我們講座計畫的審查委員全部都是男性其實我認為是違反性別比例原則那國際跟國內的業者去統計台灣的遊戲從業人員女性已經超過三分之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
4557.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
4560.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
4582.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
4587.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
至少不得少於三分之一單一性別不得少於三分之一這個沒有問題吧那相關的對於台灣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
4593.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
4619.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
電競遊戲的發展數位部的相關的補助以及政策我最後時間讓部長你再簡單的說明一下對就是剛剛的委員有幾個建議那個補助的爭取我們會就是說再看再去再去調整看怎麼樣去爭取更多機會不過目前我們還是覺得就是說可能要找最有效的補助方法就是說是不是要比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
4619.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
4620.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
接下來邀請林俊憲委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
4655.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
4659.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
社群媒體對於未成年的危害有沒有造成危害? |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
4677.269 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
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大人﹚我們總是成年人﹚有沒有辦法來幫助這些未成年人因為最近澳洲要定一個法律這個法律非常的引起國際注意澳洲準備要定一個法律16歲以下的未成年人禁止使用社群軟體澳洲這個立法獨步全球 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算 |
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來向抖音提出司法控告因為他們認為抖音的內容造成兩名青少年自殺請問部長知道這位訊息嗎? |
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那個澳洲的我知道,那法國的我...好,你大概了解,那你知道我們國內我們的兒少我們的未成年人使用社群軟體的狀況嗎?我引用一個數字跟你參考這是一個NGO的調查他說我們的未成年人大概是國高中生有95%幾乎全部都有啦,有使用社群軟體 |
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那最多的是Instagram。Instagram有78%啦。Facebook有73%。抖音有61%。也就是說額兆最常使用的社群軟體就是這三個。Instagram、Facebook還有TikTok。那平均每一個 |
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二成年人使用3.5個平台社群平台其中國中生使用最多的是抖音還有Facebook還有臉書高中生使用比較多的是Instagram這數字給你參考那我們的小孩子會不會沉浸在這些社群軟體裡面呢那經過他的調查這受罪也很可怕他一個禮拜要花35個小時 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算 |
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你就是說我們的下一代啊大概已經高度都是網路中毒啦就每天你都一定要在上面那你在網路上也沒關係啦重點是你在做什麼事那如果你接觸的比如說一個禮拜35個小時平均1天5個小時都在社群平台上那會接觸到什麼東西有沒有負面的東西啊 |
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但是這個調查裡面告訴我們有過半那56%的未成年人他們在網路社群平台會接觸到不良的東西也就是所謂的負面的東西那哪些負面的東西呢假訊息不符合年齡的廣告這前三名第三就是社群的影印還有訊息請問部長你對這些有沒有什麼看法 |
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確實這是一個問題那我那個我的瞭解是這個當我們觀察香港提到澳洲的做法那在因為這個東西牽涉到其實牽涉到衛福部牽涉到教育部所以我想我們跨部會會來討論怎麼去對這做進行一個防治 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算 |
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這些青少年都是我們國家的未來如果他們從小就沉溺在網路上而且有這麼高比例都接觸到負面不良的東西那當然會影響他們的心智發展甚至影響到國家的未來所以澳洲才會訂出這樣的法律也才引起國際上高度的關注例如現在很多國家都控告抖音 |
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因為它裡面有一些非常奇特、很不良的東西,像自殺。最近包括美國政府、法國、義大利都控告抖音上面,尤其對於青少年不利資訊裡面的自殺,他們認為是受到很大一個影響。 |
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尤其各國都會在防制自殺都希望把那個自殺比例降低就其中就非常不正常的就15到24歲的自殺率包括台灣這是我們台灣的數字也都是只有他這個年紀逐步的在增加除了他在這個年紀的心智發展還沒有很成熟以外我講的是15到24歲因為受到不良社群媒體尤其像抖音這種的傳播也會是一個重要因素 |
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我再給部長參考根據國際的統計全世界受到境外假訊息影響前五名的國家第一名是台灣第二名拉脫維亞第三名巴勒斯坦第四伊朗第五蒙特內國等等對外散播假訊息假訊息製造 |
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前五名的國家是尼加拉瓜、北韓、委內瑞拉、中國所以台灣也受到境外假訊息的影響那其中瑞典有一個國際很出名的 |
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雷典德堡大學2024年的報告他說受到境外尤其是來自境外攻擊假訊息最嚴重的國家臺灣已經連續11年殘年第一名首位就是我們受假訊息攻擊連續11年都是全世界最嚴重的國家那我們的假訊息主要從哪裡來?一定是來自中國那部長有沒有什麼辦法? |
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部長我記得你在7月的時候你曾經到我們委員會你也提出過報告那針對這樣的假訊息部長說要成立一個委員會來處理我不知道目前這相關的事情你做了怎麼樣包括那個我當時提的是說這個假訊息的判讀 |
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我們應該是有個獨立的一個委員會來判讀但是剛講這機制面啊機制面就是我剛講就是我們現在跟像剛講這幾個平台商是有一個管道就是說他們像打造法裡面讓我們納管四個公司六個平台我們用這個方式可以要求他們下架某些訊息包括可以包括假訊息 |
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那所以就是說確實有管道我們可以看到如果不宜的訊息包括假廣告或是詐騙或是剛講的這種錯誤的訊息我們是有管道可以叫他們下架先用這個機制先叫他們先處理那至於說將來這個真跟假的判讀我個人認為說還是需要有個獨立的一個委員會來處理那這部分還在討論中 |
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你還在討論我們都連續11年受到境外假訊息攻擊最嚴重的國家那部長也上任那麼上任那麼久了這個確實是需要在那個我個人認為說這個委員會但是當時部長有說啦那假訊息你要處理你比如你要要求他下架那最基本的 |
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打詐是領平台跟我們的配合 |
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有進行了如何?有嗎?效果有嗎?現在詐騙還是這麼嚴重喔?還是國人最不滿的原因之一喔?11月底我們會把這個納管包括法則跟下架事情會寫出來11月就這個月啊11月底就在11月底之後這個月底 |
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議員議員議員議員議員 |
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接下來邀請油耗委員發言 |
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李坤哲委員提到目前在臺灣的電玩產業速發部還有積極的許多的一些相關的補助跟計畫的措施 |
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目前來講在台灣的電競的產業的發展在競賽項目從2018年亞加達還把它列為亞運的表演項目再到2022年杭州亞運把它列為正式的比賽項目那本期在這裡還是就延續的也建議那數發部資可以針對台灣的電競產業以及電競的這個發展就發展能夠重點式的來做協助因為如果說這種 |
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議員議員議員 |
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對,沒有錯,對。 |
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那接著剛才林軍憲委有提到這實名制的部分那因為目前來講如果說數位發展部在打砸的部分在預算編列未來也會針對這個打砸的預算的這個部分來去做提升那可是這個實名制的話目前來推動的一個進程那想請這個部長是不是可以簡單回答一下 |
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對實名制我們現在就是說在網路上實名制我們有電子簽章法然後數位簽章也同時推動那將來就希望說用這些技術能夠很就是很就讓那個這些剛講的平台上可以很容易去驗證登廣告人是不是實名這個 |
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好,那拭目以待 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算 |
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這個目前來講就是速發部在於許多的業務的部分經費上其實是大量的外包啊那當然的尾半那尤其是像22億的一個經費幾乎有13億是對於國內團體的捐助補助那本市長直接請教一下部長 |
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那在這個部分來講他的這些捐助補助的名單也沒有在網路上面去做揭示那這些部分如何能夠讓社會各界可以認同數發部本身來講部長跟部內的同仁其實也都有專業但是卻都用這個偽辦的方式來去進行就像是一個採購中心或是轉報中心那這個部長要如何來去做改進以及如何來公告 |
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這個有公告採購 |
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好那沒關係那其實這個本席還是辦公室這邊其實確實也有在就是書發部跟相關的平台來去做瀏覽那其實這個經費上將近20億其中13億都是對於這個去做捐助補助的部分那其實訊息公告跟揭露需要改善啊需要加強啊 |
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不管是在技術的研發上或是在許多做宣傳的部分那我是覺得可以讓民眾是看得更清楚也可以讓我坦白講訴發部之前的話一直被評為就是都在做這個網軍跟大內宣可是我坦白講現在部長您是專業的部長那可以把這個部分去對訴發部大家所作的不白之願來去做洗白 |
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議員議員議員議員 |
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目前在鄉鎮市數位發展程度分類表南投縣幾乎都還有四個鄉鎮在五級區域其中有六個鄉鎮是屬於數位發展盲洞區 |
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那看了這個資安署以及數產署及數化部的本部預算那這個部分來講我想直接請教一下部長或是相關同仁在明年度預計會在南投提升這個數位落差以及數位的這種發展改善的經費預計會是多少的金額?那個數證師王市長 |
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因為其實22縣市我相信出發部其實一直以來都有針對比較弱的鄉鎮再去做一個改善跟提升所以說其實這個各縣市來講的話其實這資料數據其實都有那想請教一下在明年不南投的話會有哪些的部分目前預計以及提升的成效預計如何 |
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報告委員因為這個資料比較細我們是不是會後再跟委員提供鄉鎮不用但是縣的部分稍微提一下因為他們會提計畫然後計畫我們審查之後然後會撥那個經費給他們那樣子那因為以目前的話我們大概是每年會補助大概8到9個縣市那我們這個部分的話我們詳細的數字我們再給委員這邊那有沒有預計針對這樣子比較算是四五級或是盲洞區的這種地區來講的話有加強輔導 |
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對,因為有些縣市他是比較不會寫計畫他需要經費他不會寫那這個部分我們都會去輔導他們怎麼樣去根據他們的需求去把這個計畫書或是說把他們要做的事情把它寫得比較好一點讓委員這邊可以比較同意他們的一個提出來一個經費的需求 |
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好那目前這個部分就就持續就請協助了好那我就不去再做那個那但是同樣的後面還是會請您把22縣市在去年跟今年預計要做的已經以及執行完成的部分一樣是給本市辦公室一個資料 |
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因為在南投要改善這個數位落差我相信其實之前部長在這個會期討論預算的時候其實我們就已經有去做過探討那本期還是希望說訴發部他是可以主動出席甚至來去協助這些縣市來做改善 |
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那當然目標我們看到現況是如何那如何能夠在錢花在刀口上尤其是在南投縣那是有一些地方他還是在屬於第5級區或是在蒙洞區的部分那本期是希望能夠實際上協助到南投縣謝謝好謝謝有緣謝謝部長那接下來質詢的是我們陳淑月早委 |
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謝謝主席請主席邀請黃部長還有謝署長來黃部長謝署長部長早安那今天委員會是就是就這個資通安全署跟數位產業署的預算進行詢答那本期在這邊是主要針對這個資安的問題跟政策來請教我們部長跟署長 |
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我們都知道資安就是國安可是我覺得說現在就是這個科技的進步我覺得我們每一個人真的都是隨時的暴露在這個資訊外洩的這樣子的一個風險當中那過去在我們就是數位部還沒有掛牌之前就是NCC他在2021年的時候 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算：完整會議 |
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所以那時候也確實發現說這個中國製的手機確實有侵害到個資的這個狀況所以我覺得這個真的是蠻嚴重的那這個也是因為我們政府應該要替消費者把關要嚴格去把關的一個部分 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算 |
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８立法院第11屆第12會議中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算８立法院第11屆第12會議中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算８立法院第12會議中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算８立法院第12會議中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算８立法院第12會議中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算８立法院第13會議中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算８立法院第14會議中� |
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所以我覺得說這個科技的進步真的是我們無法想像而且是非常恐怖的一個部分所以像這樣的情況個案不只一個是好幾個那所以這樣子的一個狀況就是說就部長的一個專業你認為這樣發生這個狀況他的部分是出在哪裡問題出在哪裡 |
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那個報告委員這個我們的所謂的現在就是物聯網這樣的設備越來越普遍那物聯網設備資安的問題確實是一個問題因為不只是這個在早先像我們的那個攝影機被入侵被跳板被攻擊跳板 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算 |
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所以就是說這個剛剛講就是說像如果是中國我們現在就是像我們公部門就規定這個錄製中國的設備我們不能用不管你是什麼樣的設備因為它只要聯網都有可能治安外洩的風險那民間裡面在使用的時候也要很確認這一點就是它這個設備本身的這個治安那有一點最基本要做的就是這些設備來的時候都有所謂的基本的叫做password就是密碼 |
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委員會議 |
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委員會主席 |
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委員會主席 |
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智慧家電的都有可能是會被入侵的我就是智慧家電因為透過就是遠端控制的這個手機應用程式都有可能將這個個資回傳到中國去所以一般民眾在使用的時候他們可能不是很清楚所以在相關的APP在下載或者授權的時候他們可能就不小心就按了同意然後就不曉得說他的個資可能就是被傳輸回中國了然後就是被監控了 |
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所以我覺得這是令人蠻擔憂的一個部分所以我們也看到就是說外國國外的政府像英國他也就是預計就是在2025年他也希望就是說要來發布新的隱私指導方針明確規範智能產品的製造商應該遵守的相關資料的一個規範那這個部分我們數位部是不是也應該積極來推動 |
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我們現在就是針對剛剛講就是我們有針對這個設備主要是因為針對現在我們只能針對政府使用這些設備的一些規範這個我們政府有在訂那現在主要是說這個設備剛剛講不能是錄製但是就是那是那個產品本身的認定但是之後這個剛剛講這些設備本身還是要通過一些治安的檢測這個我想我們會做那至於說這邊所提到的治安標章跟 |
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委員會定出一個建議的使用方法比如說授權不要開太大他不需要你的住址或不需要你的親友 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資 |
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只有這個系統本身基本功能就好不要所有的東西都授權給相關的APP然後第三個就是遇到有任何漏洞的時候應該要隨時上網因為我們會公告這個情資所以其實我們是開放給政府機關跟 |
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謝謝委員 |
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是 那授權說小我覺得也是要從源頭去規範就是從那個智能的這個廠商嘛因為他的授權書有可能就是漏漏等啊然後到最後他全部都把它寫在同全部都包在裡面然後到最後才問你同不同意那你根本沒有辦法去區分你哪個要同意哪個不同意所以是不是你應該要有一個層次的一個規範才對 |
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對它其實是兩塊第一個是我們在使用這個軟體或使用這個產品它會說你同不同意這個是算各自的收集那以後各自會它會做基本再做更深的規範那第二塊是你在你的系統比如說手機它會有一些隱私設定那就是把一些比如說不需要的你的位置在哪裡不需要授權給那些APP就從那邊關掉其實任何軟體也讀不到 |
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所以我們會先教大家說應該把那些怎麼關的授權縮小如果是我們會依照委員的建議我們就是給一些參考指引這樣子好我覺得這個資安真的是非常的重要所以我們也希望就是說這個數法部應該也要會同NCC就是一起來積極回應就是我們社會大眾對於這個中國製的相關的家電也好手機產品也好這個資安的一個疑慮我們一定要嚴格的把關 |
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接下來邀請何新淳委員發言 |
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謝謝數月召委我們請黃部長請黃部長剛剛數月委員在講的這件事我覺得我們數位發展部必須要花很大的心思在喚起國人對於我們這個個人在使用這些資訊網路的安全的意識還有風險的意識我覺得這很重要 |
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接下來我的質詢就是我們對數位發展部期望很高我也知道你們責任很重尤其你們是打詐國家隊的一個非常重要的部會我就要問最近我們看到公股銀行跟未來打擊金融詐騙九大公股銀行開始率先 |
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來說我呢以後呢對於呢沒有用實名制的數位平臺我不再下任何廣告這件事你知道嗎對不對所以也不會再邀請網紅代言各項業務那非實名制的他在裡面點出Google Line Facebook YouTube and IG這個社群平臺到目前為止還沒有 |
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進行所謂的實名制廣告還沒有實名制的審查所以這個詐騙亂象要打詐是國人期待政府很久很久也很深很深希望能夠呢立竿見影嘛對不對所以速發部有責任那除了呢公股銀行九大又開始有其他的民間銀行也跟進甚至呢投信投顧也跟進但是呢 |
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這樣子的一個行動我們要打炸但是它是不是也會發生所謂的破窗效應數位行銷會不會這個產業會不會受影響這個是值得我們關注的第一個打炸當然是首要要做的工作但是呢在打炸的同時我們如何讓我們的數位行銷產業也能夠健康正常的發展 |
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這也很重要我舉幾個數字台灣的網紅經濟成長空間很大全球的產值這個報導是媒體預估的全球的產值是6500億那甚至預估2026還會再超越但是反觀台灣台灣的平台跟相關的類型廣告在2022 |
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很好但是呢到2023呢又稍微有衰退那我們當然在講今年是2024雖然還沒有相關的數據問題是公股銀行跟其他的包括投信投庫跟未來可能跟進的民間企業開始測廣告那所謂的破窗效應會不會讓我們2024的這個數位行銷的一個相關的產業經濟會不會更衰退我覺得部長這個要值得觀察 |
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委員８發言委員 |
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還會運用其他的數位平台來下廣告所以對數位行銷這個產業基本上是不影響那意思是說這四個國人最常用的也是國際間最大的四大平台 |
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這個暫時不下廣告而已我不是說錢有沒有減少啦而是在這四個平台上的所有的數位行銷的不管是網紅也好或是youtuber也好或者是其他的個人的這個 |
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會不會受影響我是提醒你要注意啦我是提醒你要注意我為什麼會講這件事呢是因為就是因為我們廣告實名資料上路了你們現在也在預告執法規那也送到行政院聽說11月月底呢會核定然後公告這是現在我掌握到了期程我希望能夠如期但是呢我要 |
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拜託部長你們可能要去好好的想一想未來我們執法規公告了之後第一個四大平台我剛剛講的現在沒有實名制廣告的這四大平台會不會跟進 |
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委員會否跟進?我們都有跟他溝通他們都有答應說會跟進他們有答應說會跟進那我以前就問過你了他們答應跟進那他們的系統介面有沒有保證會在我們今年年底上路之後他的設備 |
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它的硬體、它的介面可以建置完善嗎?可以完成嗎?我們跟他們喝過好幾次咖啡他們有正在進行中嗎?正在進行中那我就問你一個問題喔如果按照我們的法規要求數位簽章的憑證包括我們自然人工商憑證政府及法人憑證等等那這些憑證市大平台的系統有嫁接嗎? |
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因為他要先嫁接你才能認證啊啊如果系統平台他沒有辦法嫁接這些所謂自然人憑證工商憑證政府或法人的憑證系統他沒辦法嫁接的話那你如何讓他去合格說啊他這個真的是實名制 |
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對,他那個系統他現在建制我請那個署長回答跟委員報告就是目前是數位清張可以另外的話技術相當的我現在在問你技術性說四大平台喝咖啡你說他說願意配合那願意配合那必須要先做嫁接嘛系統的嫁接嘛那系統嫁接他有沒有承諾你什麼時候可以完成因為我們這一個我們這個法規就要上路啦 |
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所以沒有全面嗎? |
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所以沒有全面,你現在講說一個重點喔平台雖然答應但是他的系統嫁接到底有沒有完成那完成的時程又是如何如果沒有到位那你明年說要上路的實名制等於是做半套喔什麼叫做高風險的開始那所謂的高風險用戶又是誰來認定 |
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誰?那你有掌握嗎?那你有掌握嗎? |
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我們持續在跟Meta主要是Meta的部分因為其他可能相對問題比較小那Meta部分他們已經積極在做系統的調整你會不會給我一篇那個書面報告因為我要知道說你到底掌握到多少我今天要求的是你如果承諾明年1月1號要上路實名制那 |
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就要做完整的第一個系統的嫁接平台他既然答應了那他就要許諾我們政府許諾國人他要怎麼一步一步做到這第一個不是只有高風險的用戶啊高風險的用戶我剛剛問你誰來認定也是他認定啊也不是政府認定啊那他認定那我們又如何掌握那何時才能夠全面性的實名制 |
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這個你不能把主導權掌握在系統平台上面那我們自己反而沒有主導權那你如何告訴國人說我打詐是真的我法規都已經立法修法預告公告然後明年一定如期上路 |
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不能這樣啦那個報告委員這個我們在看他這個技術面我們你技術面他承諾什麼時候可以完全做到FIDO應該是在全面導入中那數位簽章我們數位簽章剛剛講是說因為簽章簽不然我們數位簽章法立法修法通過了結果沒有辦法執行那你怎麼承諾國人說我們可以打詐而且系統平台是跟我們政府站在同一個陣線要打擊詐騙 |
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技術面是問題喔系統平台要不要跟政府的這個相關的憑證系統嫁接 |
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這是問題耶我講的是說技術部門是什麼時候導入導入的速度這是問題所以我們會去監督導入的速度什麼時候全面導入這個你要去追阿你要告訴我們阿你要告訴國人喔第二個我還在請你還有另外一個技術的問題請教你我們另外一個行動身份的識別現在 |
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6882.699 |
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6895.389 |
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新的Face ID指紋辨識那我請教你系統平台他如何嫁接國人的Face ID跟指紋辨識系統我們現在有 |
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6900.049 |
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6915.22 |
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如果系統平台沒有跟我們這些系統嫁接那未來我要去開Facebook的帳戶我的身份到底是不是真的我的指紋到底是不是真的我這一張臉到底是不是叫核心存他怎麼辨識他怎麼認證那個 |
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導入就是說必須要有一個機構所以你有跟我們比如說警政、內政部他們講過指紋也要嫁接嗎?指紋系統要嫁接嗎?Face ID也要嫁接嗎?這個你們有跨部會講過嗎?這一部分還沒有但是我們會去還沒有嘛還沒有嘛 |
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6962.449 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
議長﹗ |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
6962.645 |
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6991.347 |
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我現在就是在提醒你注冊的方式有好幾種那注冊的方式好幾種你要事先知道有哪幾種那有哪幾種那你就要政府要跟系統平台要求而且要他們許諾這個整個實名制的認證的規範必須在我們台灣的法律架構下系統平台一定要守法 |
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7001.835 |
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那要他守法我們就必須要提供相關的技術的一個系統的一個嫁接如果沒有嫁接這個界面沒有完整的話那其實怎麼執行實名制嘛因為他就沒有資料庫系統可以來認證嘛我剛剛再講一次喔 |
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7016.67 |
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7031.268 |
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沒有核心存的face資料庫那我用我的face去申請那請問他系統平台社群平台如何認證說我這張face就叫做核心存 |
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7032.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
7038.334 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
包括有兩個一個是電信商的MOMA ID也可以自然電評證當然也可以那我問你喔那你以後就是要限制我們的國人只能用你講的這幾個方式來申請帳號跟認證喔我用貨不能自主選擇嗎 |
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7053.596 |
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7067.592 |
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有一些已經是比較容易導入這個應該是第一步會落實的可是你沒有跟國人講啊你要公開透明的講清楚嘛哪些是已經可以執行實名制的 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
7068.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
7070.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
報告委員這是給廣告商他要去認證不是本國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
7098.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
7126.463 |
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那我問你我們現在數位行銷國人如果要上去數位行銷就要去註冊啊那你有沒有database我們全台灣國人裡面有多少人在進行數位行銷這個就是他要去比如說他在Facebook所以你都沒有掌握嘛我現在在告訴你嘛國人他也可能是數位行銷的買家跟賣家啊對不對我又不是只有公司法人才會是這個數位行銷的買家跟賣家 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
7141.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
廣告商這個這個這個這個我們會剛講就這個東西我們在在這個欸你們的你們的你們的那個框架好自私喔現在都已經進步到哪裡去了數位行銷 |
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7143.926 |
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7161.385 |
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不知道進步到哪裡去了,你們現在框架還是在那裡喔?我是在提醒你啦,我們希望真正的實名制投放廣告的實名制一定要如期如實的上路,最重要是愛武豪啦! |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
7161.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
7169.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
要做得到啦是嘛是嘛好不好所以你們的責任很大啦所以要挽回民眾對你們的信心那數位行銷產業不受影響而且還能夠健康正常的發展成長這個還有我剛剛講的數位平台這些系統的跟政府系統的嫁接如何落實實名制這個是你們的責任好不好好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
7192.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
7193.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
主席好,那我們先請數位部黃部長請黃部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
7226.258 |
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7255.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
委員好部長好部長我先就這個預算的本身來討論一下其實過去這些年這個數位部大家在媒體上都被嘲諷是這個出國旅遊部當然本席沒有反對那個公務員出國考察這是很正常的事情但是每年出國旅費我想看從今年呢今年的話是這個派6人出去那花費了33萬那明年度預計要派13個人花費212萬增加幅度增加5倍多那當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
7255.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
7281.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
人變多旅費增加也是正常的不過如果看到一個人的平均的話今年的話平均一個人的出國旅費是5.5萬但到明年預計是一個人要花費16.4萬增加的幅度我想也是會比較多一點所以想請教一下部長到底明年的出國計畫為什麼要出國那做什麼事情那預計達到什麼成效那以及為什麼一個人的出國旅費會增加這麼多各位請部長說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
7282.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
7310.225 |
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報告委員出國經費的確是因為外面在我上任之前外面有一些批評所以我上任之後就把114年要出國做整個通盤檢討那我自己在內部已經刪掉29%的出國經費也就是說114年總出國經費是少於113年大概少了29%那這裡面當然這個包括這幾年其實因為疫情之後整個的那個cost就是包括機票包括什麼最近的確是變得非常貴包括旅館 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
7310.985 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
7317.715 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
所以這個確實會有一些個人金會Individual會增加那這個細部關於素產署這部分我請素產署說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
7319.904 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
7347.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
跟委員說明一下就是我們其實從total來講我們明年是降低的我們今年是396萬明年是324萬所以我跟你講是總價嘛我想是個人個人以這份為例這個明年派員出國計劃你個人一個人從5萬增加到平均增加到16萬增加三倍啊是那我沒有反對你出國那我又說第一個你要講原因嘛為什麼會增加三倍那第二個出國要做什麼事情你們數位部出國要達到什麼成效這個才是重點啊我沒有反對你出國啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
7348.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
7367.264 |
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是,那像我們要參加RSA,就是自然最大的盛會,那我們跟荷蘭有自然上面的合作,然後跟英國、歐盟有這個電子簽章的那個AI評測的相關的合作,因為它跑的距離就比較遠,是遠的歐美的,如果是東南亞可能就會錢就比較少一點 |
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7369.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
7395.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
好 謝謝說明那我還希望說後續還是要提供給大家本會委員一份說明到底這個出國的這個差別今年跟明年度那最後當然最重要還是說你們出國預計要達到什麼成效嗎因為大家過去各部會都在出國啦但是為什麼唯獨數位部大家會被特別提出來講就是看不到成效所以我們希望你們出國考察合理的但是到底要做什麼事情看了這麼多先進的數位治理的國家然後回來要做什麼事情 |
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7395.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
7397.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算 |
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7414.054 |
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7426.787 |
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裡面的內容包含說什麼建構我國數位信任環境提升通報詐騙訊息跟查詢強化商務防詐還有健全這個第三方支付等等的每一項都很大每一項都很重要 |
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7428.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
7455.618 |
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但細節基本上在預算書裏面是看不出來了,包含說大家過去我們上次質詢也提到了這個網路詐騙的通報查詢網到底要花多少,到底那時候花多少錢那你現在這個是測試版,那真的上路之後要花多少錢這部分在這份預算裏面其實也沒有很詳列出來,我們希望說部長可以簡單說明一下你這個明年的3億你要怎麼花那因為今年給3億了,明年要花3億,那今年跟明年的差別又是什麼 |
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7474.866 |
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那個先對那個網路通報查詢完跟委員做個報告那那一部分明年大概是編五千五千大概不到六千萬啊五千八那主要是做這個剛剛講因為用很多AI技術所以報告AI的技術的導入就是的精進還有就是因為跑AI所以需要算力池所以算力就是報告server |
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7475.026 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
7475.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
委員委員委員委員委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
7516.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員 |
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7516.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
7531.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
第二開發現在不是已經開發完了嗎?就是你還要精進因為它包括因為我們是用AI去去AI去打打詐騙嘛那AI本身要去很多的精進跟訓練還有它擴大所以這個東西還需要再開發當然第二算令你要增加經費我是說開發多少錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
7533.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
7533.839 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
委員會議委員會議委員會議委員會議委員會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
7559.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
7576.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
以10月來講我們每個月開一次委員會都在檢討這件事情光是10月一個月的財損就已經120億那等於過去這些7、8、9月到10月每個月財損都破百億那按照這個數據來看搞不好今年會破千億耶那最可怕是什麼最可怕的是已經提出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
7576.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
7578.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
7598.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
7614.152 |
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是不夠呢?還是態度不知道怎麼用?部長那個 包委員我認為打詐像是一場戰爭是啊 這戰爭沒錯啊戰爭就是說我們跟詐騙集團在打仗那打仗當然就是說這個我們現在是慢慢的從一些技術我們用AI去跟詐騙集團對打 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
7615.433 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
7617.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
7634.952 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
7637.793 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
7660.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
7680.513 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
就假公眾人物或假名人廣告我們已經看到下降很多因為我們用AI去做掃描去做防詐那有看到效果但是呢這個效果的呈現可能需要一點時間才看得到好部長的確啦因為其實一定要這樣講因為你們是第一線後續的司法怎麼處理後續的金融怎麼處理都是後端的事情但因為民眾接觸到的詐騙資訊息基本上現階段來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
7683.114 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
7685.437 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
7701.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
7718.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
之前執行局就提過了這個第三方支付的管理的問題當然對數位部來講這是你們的主管業務但是我覺得你們的強制力很低啊我們看這個登錄機制的狀況已經有這個機制出來了但是登錄的狀況怎麼樣真正登錄的機制業者真的只有0.59%啊 |
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7720.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
7723.777 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
7748.982 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
7770.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
第三方支付他本來就違法了他不可能你給他登錄你推出這個能量登錄機制的時候他就很乖的跑來登錄那你的57什麼的他就是我不登錄那你能怎麼辦呢部長他不登錄那怎麼辦那個第一個就是跟委員講你要通過第三方支付的這個能量登錄才能過去跟銀行或是跟金融單位去申請虛擬帳號 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
7772.409 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
7793.505 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
我們這個單位其實我個人是覺得這目前是通過64家我們匯值的幾家現在是64家這64家我們當然還在持續監控這些64家是可以去申請虛擬帳號其他那1萬多家其實因為他沒有通過能量登錄所以他是不能夠去拿到虛擬帳號所以就沒辦法詐騙集團就沒辦法用這些去做詐騙這64家我們是有在管考 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
7794.065 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
7820.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
那所以就是說目前我們還會精進我們對這些機構的管考所以我個人希望能夠通過的這第三萬支付的能量我們不需要多但是我們希望每一家都能夠落實資安落實他的那個所謂的這個所謂的反洗錢的能力啊這個是我們最最重視那這個我們有個不是這個來部長我還是這樣講啦他來登錄是好事當然你們可以管考那他不來登錄的他有什麼樣的機制去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
7821.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
7838.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
他不來登錄他就拿不到金融機構的帳號另外他跟委員報告就是這14000多家是因為登記的時候他可以說他要做結果他都不做但是他如果要做第三方他如果沒有登錄就做第三方他是會有兩年的刑責 |
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7840.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
7863.047 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
這個是後續你們要推這個吧我現在要接下來談的這個第三方支付的這個洗錢房子的這個草案你約束的是有登錄的還是沒登錄的沒有沒有如果沒有登錄從事這個行業一樣是兩年兩年的有期徒刑啊所以登錄的呢有登對不起就確認一下所以這一萬多家不管他有沒有進到你們這個登錄機制裡面對他只要進行了相關的洗錢的工作 |
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7863.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
7891.025 |
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他會都是適用這部法律嗎?他只要從事第三方支付的營業活動的話他就會被我們這個打炸專法所管﹖第三方那個什麼洗塵防治法所管制所以我們就會去﹖如果他沒有登錄他還從事就是兩年那你這個是9月預告了嗎?那現在已經11月了什麼時候要開始送進來?開始上路?我們已經預﹖就是已經﹖對啊9月預告了啊那什麼時候開始處理這個事情?10月底10月底那個執法都會公布嘛10月底? |
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11月底11月底就下禮拜而已喔對可以嗎部長對就照事成我們公布以後就會開始處罰對好部長謝謝謝謝謝謝黃建豪委員那現在休息 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。 |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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委員會主席委員會主席委員會主席 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。 |
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委員會主席委員會主席委員會 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。 |
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我知道,因為這個是禮拜五,所以我才知道我現在想到的是一到五的意思。 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。 |
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委員會議結束 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。 |
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現在繼續開會接下來邀請蔡奇昌委員發言謝謝主席請速發布黃部長請黃部長 |
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部長早部長我想早上大概我前面幾個委員也都針對打詐的事情也就教你本席從第一次質詢你開始我就一直在強調在台灣詐騙 |
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沒有銷聲匿跡之前大概本席對書發布質詢的重中之重就是打詐所以本席今天還是延續著打詐的議題來請教這個113年的5月15號我們為了打詐通過電子簽章法7月也把詐欺犯罪危害防治條例都來通過那 |
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現在的進度應該是訴發部要針對這個下面的這些執法或者相關的這些辦法規則你們要去訂定整體的配套對吧沒錯那我看了一下時間9月我們就公告10月已經公告完畢了是這樣嗎 |
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就是我們先公告就是哪一些公司就是網路廣告平台公司要被納管對所以9月公告然後10月底要求他們提出這個文件來申請對我的意思是說立法院通過修法 |
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到現在為止對於詐騙我們還沒有辦法根據我們通過包括所謂電子現場法實名制等等是因為速發布的相關針對這個法令的配套相關規定還沒有完成11月30會公告執法對那換言之11月30公告完之後就 |
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沒有其他法規的問題了對不對好那所以我們過去宣告12月30現在等於提早一個月是嗎好這個本席非常的肯定我的意思只是在想說為什麼10月就完成所有的公告然後要再拖兩個月是不是有什麼困難啊所以你們把它提早一個月這個就是本席第一點要講的 |
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我不希望再拖啦因為這個空窗期實在拖太久我們對外立法院都已經三讀通過立法院是最困難的要把草野的意見都整合把社會各界意見都整合落實在法規裡面 |
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那最困難的我們都完成了反而我們部裡面這個行政的這些相關的這個執法配套我們沒有辦法快速把它完成這個對社會沒有辦法交代不然我們都信誓旦旦行政院宣稱我們立法院也宣稱我們法令都修了這打詐我們這個祭出雷力風刑的手段結果看起來這幾個月民眾也覺得好像也沒有什麼感覺所以這個要快速 |
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第二個問題就來了你11月30公告之後我想請問一下這幾個大的平台業者他根據這些法規法令包括你們配套的這些相關的規定他什麼時候開始落實啊 |
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實名制我們跟這些平台商就是所謂的過去幾個月在這個溝通上就是所謂的喝咖啡都有談他們都答應在明年初會開始落實這個不能講明年初啦因為他明年初不知道幾月 |
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一月吧那要不要部長你要不要直接告訴這些相關的平台商就是1月1號開始實施或者就是1月30號開始實施或者31號開始實施日期那個有跟他們在民說嗎這個應該要民講這個不可以再讓他們混了那還是一樣喔等立法院修法行政機關相關的配套都做好了然後現在開始哇第三關我們會開始問那平台業者什麼時候要做啊 |
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就是1月1號開始導入實名制那當然就是說我們先從剛剛其實在上個委員有講我們先從所謂的高風險就是說公眾沒有關係沒有關係其實大家還是在乎嘛譬如說你最大宗那幾個嘛你看你Meta站的詐騙我上一次已經把圖都畫給大家看了嘛它的比例多高部長那個八九成對嘛上一次我已經公告過了嘛 |
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所以說換言之我們在打詐只要鎖定幾個大的對象就搞什麼都差不多南瓜在裡面了嘛你說剩下的部分當然要做但是你先讓大家有感從那個做幾個大咖的下去就已經九成了那還是老問題那到底我們現在你公告的是幾月幾號 |
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那個11月底公告嘛然後1月1號開始這個我知道他開始實施啦那開始實施呢業者一定跟你說要有一個緩衝期啊我要改程式啊我要做什麼一大堆的啊然後就開始又跟你講了不知道民國幾年幾月 |
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才要開始落實啊一月一號就會 剛剛講一月先從所謂高風險的客戶廣告客戶先落實所以高風險的廣告客戶是一月一號開始在那裡做這個廣告就要實名了是不是包括一些大的廣告這個我覺得這個應該要講清楚一月一號所以換言之一月一號沒有做你就不准他廣告對不對高風險就是說他的廣告量大的或是像所謂的公眾人物這種對對不是 |
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廣告量大的定義是什麼就是說他的這個會吸引很多流量的這些廣告的我的意思是這樣啦喔Meta實施實名制沒有實名制來的他都不可以上架這個在1月1號可不可以做得到剛剛講就是不是一開始啦我們聽到的是不是全面但至少對高風險部長這個我還是要再一次的講啦 |
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我跟部長講齁你如果沒有公告一個很明確的時間我就給你拖啦那你公告的時間你說我要分階段實施沒有關係你就告訴我幾月幾號要實施什麼的確會分階段 這個請署長來來來 署長他持續在跟我們做技術上的一些討論那他一直在修正他的系統所以這段時間他其實很努力所以我們本來想說高風險的話讓他先上沒關係 署長我還是要講那句話不可以這樣子啦不可以他叫很努力嘛 |
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今天就是台灣跟韓國12強的比賽那個台北市政府說那個大巨蛋會漏水台北市政府都告訴遠雄公司啊幾月幾號如果你的漏水沒有修好我就按日處罰那現在呢修好了沒還是還沒修好啊所以台北市政府就開始罰了我跟你講啦你講幾月幾號他都不一定可以做得到啦 |
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我們11月底我們就把 |
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11月底一併公告啦好不好你們剛剛講我沒有意見你們要去怎麼做譬如說好我針對幾個大的平台業者我告訴你們你們就是幾月幾號開始凡沒有實名制的都不可以給我上架 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算 |
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例如說你廣告量大的那就怎麼樣可是我還是不贊成廣告量大啦因為詐騙的業者他那有廣告量一定大所以你都限制那些合法的業者要實名制那真的詐騙那一群人因為他廣告量一定不會很大嘛 |
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那你還是讓詐騙的繼續詐騙我們先從高風險說高風險就是說公眾人物他很有名然後他的廣告這些人一定要使名字對啦但是這個齁不是詐騙的本意嘛來我秀一張圖給你看啦你看齁你看齁這個齁用那個張國偉的照片嘛對不對阿這就是高風險對 |
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問題是問題是廣告的人叫DSG啊廣告的人不是張國偉你跟張國偉說你來就要實名制張國偉的他的受害者他不是去他去買的啊 |
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這一這個是什麼時候這個是現在的狀況啦我隨便在網路上找這太多了我隨便截取一張這是現在現在是什麼公告會公告法令會修法了公告會公告完了就等著你什麼時候這個實施嘛那此刻你有法規你看喔勘剝者出資者的資訊在這裡 |
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他用了張國偉的照片這一個人的廣告量大嗎?這個人的廣告量一定不大 對不對那你限制廣告量大你限制張國偉說張國偉你如果要廣告你的實名是因為你是知名人物不好意思我沒有廣告我就是受害者嘛 |
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9140.7 |
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9159.6 |
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那個報告委員兩個禮拜前Meta才公布一個技術他以後會偵測照片跟名字所以有這個技術以後這樣這種廣告就不會再出現就是說照片是張國偉啊名字不是張國偉是啦那我的意思是說我們法規你那個是你現在要做這個偵測 |
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9174.548 |
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你很簡單嘛你現在做這個偵測是就算你還沒有開始公告實施你也可以去偵測嘛但是我的公告實施完之後我就是要告訴你說這DSG是誰你要實名制嘛為什麼 |
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9175.407 |
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9196.196 |
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我接下來就要抓這個人了我還跟你在那邊亂七八糟我就直接抓這個嘛你現在是還不能抓他因為沒有實名制所以你根本不知道他是誰啊他今天叫DSG明天叫ABC啊你現在懂我的意思嗎所以我的意思就是說你要趕快落實平台業者最好的方式就是你跟Meta說 |
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9197.694 |
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9211.497 |
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一月幾號開始如果你還給我弄這個DSG不知道是誰的我就直接罰你250萬到1億嘛這個就是我要求的啊這個不可以再拖啦這個拖了就沒意思了那個已經 |
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9212.765 |
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9236.565 |
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三讀拼到這樣過去再來 立法院你們速發部也提早了本來12月30現在提早到11月30對不對結果接下來換他拖一定拖的啦我跟你說你不給他時間他就拖啦我就跟你講一個時間我現在就告訴你我現在才11月初我就告訴你Meta公司從什麼時候開始如果你沒有做到我就按日處罰你 |
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9238.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
9265.267 |
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我不相信一天發一頁,我看他多久發了啊啊你就又叫批一批啊部長真的要加油你看齁我都看到報紙那個趙峰啊他不是速發布捏你速發布齁發臉給你啊你也是光喝咖啡而已人家趙峰是直接欸直接說他不下廣告捏還號召金融同業大家不要在Meta上面下廣告 |
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9266.372 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
9284.443 |
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這叫做保守啦部長我在這個台上已經問過你很多次也跟你質詢過很多次了我跟你講過說那個咖啡齁你開始喝咖啡我說咖啡接下來可不可以泡男喝一點他再繼續不搞你就改毒藥怎麼喝咖啡哪有那麼好 |
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9285.874 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
9303.19 |
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民眾被詐騙的人部長辛辛苦苦一輩子的血汗錢就這樣被詐騙這個事件不是少數啊如果說他一輩子得到招小偷一輩子可能一次啦他也沒看過小偷長什麼樣子 |
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9304.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
9325.368 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
可是他在生活裡面面對詐騙他是無時無刻在處理這個問題所以本席為什麼急我們沒有辦法再拖啦這種東西每天人民都在面對這種苦難所以我們行政機關、立法機關我們要苦民所苦他想要老百姓現在他在擔憂什麼問題所以本席為什麼會那麼積極 |
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9330.183 |
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9355.601 |
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你們這樣不配合我就不相信治不了你人民的苦難面對這些財團我們難道沒有什麼更積極更有作為的做法嗎部長我真的告訴你一句你只要把打詐做好你這抒發部就永留青史啦你這個部長就永留青史我痛恨詐騙啦我沒有質疑你不痛恨啦只是說方法跟手段啦 |
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9356.531 |
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9385.735 |
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我說兆豐人家都會想到說不然我也盡一點力氣我不給他廣告這個這就是手勞嘛這就是風範不是只有我我也相信你很討厭這個詐騙你恨之入所以兆豐這個很好的意思我們公司協力一起來把這個問題解決掉是啦就是你要有方法我的意思就是說這個是速發部的主線兆豐啦或者其他民間企業這個都是輔助啦 |
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9386.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
9386.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
謝謝蔡齊昌委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
9417.608 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
9439.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
接下來邀請魯明哲召委質詢。好,謝謝主席。有請我們黃部長。有請黃部長。各位部長,委員好。 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
9441.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
9441.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
委員會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
9471.708 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
9498.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
那你扣掉本部的33多億大概61%的預算是放在兩個署我們治安署跟我們數位產業署裡面那在這樣的一個編排之下我看到了這個我們治安署他今天寫的報告三頁三個F頁面摩拳擦掌 |
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9500.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
9515.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
大呼小叫叫我們快一點我都準備好內容了三頁三面除了把預算付表付在後面之外好像沒什麼好說的啦或是說我們想想也沒什麼需要讓委員知道的然後45.4億的我們產業數位產業署6頁欸這個都經過你覺得這樣的準備對委員來講夠詳細嗎部長你你整體說一下 |
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9529.088 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
9547.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
三月拿7.9億然後45.4億他寫了六月你覺得你看過這個報告你都沒有說這報告不應該這麼不詳細嗎那個預算書已經送立法院再請那個主席處長出名 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
9549.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
9573.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
報告委員我們行政院在8月31號以前已經把中央政府總預算包括數發布的預算還有兩署的預算全部都送到各委員辦公室送到立法院我說你在說明你這成本的預算說明用人話你們的專業話想要去說明明年度為什麼要委員支持你們的預算就丟一本預算給我們就結束了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
9575.974 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
9602.445 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
今天為什麼要排這個預算報告報告說什麼預算丟給你還報告什麼不要排了嘛也不要審了嘛我就覺得你們用3月6月報告去總共兩個署50級的預算我建議部長你可以去思考一下這一個形式上的一個尊重的一個態度會有問題好那我們再來看這個我們產業署啊產業署的副署長你先上來一下支援一下部長 |
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9603.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
9619.589 |
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我可以看到預算是越來越豐滿但是我們比較關心企業跟民眾有沒有感我們數位部算是各部會一個比較新成立的部會也代表了民眾在新的時代有很多的一個期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
9620.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
9649.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
到底我們企業跟民眾有沒有感呢?我們看到今年度成長幅度最高的我們整個數位部本部加兩署成長了15.6億其中將近10億都在產業發展署數位產業署數位產業署裡面你們自己大概多了10億但我們來看一下你們人數多了13人兵力就位成長兵力成長 |
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9650.488 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
9662.959 |
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預算成長到底準備幹事了吧自己為為我們這個國民要拼一下嘛但我們來看一下呢在比較預算上面112年我從25.8億我們的產業署到114年45.4億你的整體預算在這個署內成長75%成長43%算是算是成長的不少喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
9689.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。二、審查114年度中央政府總預算提案於12月3日中央政府總預算提案於12月3日中央政府總預算提案於12月3日中央政府總預算提案於12月3日 |
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9696.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
9705.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
學術單位、企業單位、顧問公司在做到底在做什麼東西你們現在委辦費在持續增高委辦費在112年才12.2億現在委辦費高達31.4億成長150.157億啊你這樣的預算增加委辦費副組長你說一下什麼原因啊那你增加13個人是要做什麼的 |
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9721.954 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
9735.834 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
跟委員報告 送公文是不是 131隊只要用在打詐的一些推動 13人是增加在打詐的工作上面 增加在打詐嘛 那委外有打詐嗎 |
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9737.175 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
9765.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
委外的部份不是打詐的部份最主要有三塊第一塊是我們的AI的推動的部份現在生成那次AI對大家產業未來的發展很重要那第二個是我們的數位的公共建設部份包括我們要建立一些篆力池讓置物業可以來使用那第三個部份就是我們會給地方政府明年開始會有一個公建給地方政府來申請就是我們那個城市建模的部份就類似我們過去的數位成長的計畫 |
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9766.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
9787.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
除了看到你的署內預算大幅增加啦因為今天時間有限,細部我們在審預算都在討論可是大家都關心打詐的部分嘛那打詐的部分已經談了很多次了數據就不要再講了被詐騙的金額、詐騙的次數可能是今年比較有接入吧所以大幅的一個成長 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
9788.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
9791.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
9804.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
9831.532 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
我感覺數位部你開始發功了但是人民覺得績效沒有很好啊剛剛很多委員都說啊那我就請問一下部長你到底覺得在市詐賭詐打詐上面越打越詐的原因在數位部的原因是什麼你可以跟我講一下報告委員那個我想剛剛有講過這幾個問題一個就是說我們第一個打詐是詐騙的源頭一直在變嘛那現在我們當然就是用AI技術要去掃這個詐騙那 |
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9833.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
9854.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
過去我上任之後我們也發展了一些技術目前我們看到的是尤其在網路廣告平台上面的詐騙確實有減少但是這個減少在反映到金額的部分需要一點時間因為今天看到的金額是可能因為詐騙集團是養套殺他們可能都是在3到6個月以前就開始接觸這些被騙的人 |
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9855.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
9880.111 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
議員議員議員議員議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
9880.111 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
9902.159 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
議員議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
9902.159 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
9918.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
議員議員議員議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
9919.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
9944.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
這也是產業署嘛產業署你們在做的網路詐騙通報查詢軟體啊那大家也說了很多次嘛那你們現在還在測試嘛在測試在修正那我們也要負責任幫你去測試一下所以我們請辦公室的秘書好好在最近幫你做一個測試啊我們希望你正式版上任的時候我們現在談到的問題不能再有你剛剛特別講相信 |
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9944.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
9959.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
在各部會的團隊打詐國家隊努力之下能夠減少你講的是重點啊就你一個人努力沒有用啊你做一個很好用的softwareAPP讓民眾方便檢舉但是後端不處理沒有用喔先講沒有用喔 |
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9960.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
9986.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
那我跟你講現在發生了三個樣態我們自己辦公室適到的第一個呢是判定延誤啊 不會不理睬我就講第一個啦你優化軟體如果你沒有優化打架國家對所設的單位部會他們的效能效率重不重視這件事的話這件事情是事倍功半所以我們看到了到現在還掛在網上你們11月6號這第一個 |
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9991.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
9997.238 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算 |
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10003.437 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
10031.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
衛福部確認中這是豬隊友嗎還是他比較大尾沒有啊到底是詐騙嗎你知道網路詐騙一天攻擊次數非常多我不要說現在知道你今天給我今天24小時內你給我一個明確的答案就算慢了嘛在數位的時代你還有7天6天7天你們自己去看我待會今年只給你們到現在還在確認中代表有些不會 |
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10032.463 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
10041.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算：完整會議二、審查11月5日中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算：完整會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
10063.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
10064.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
第三類是你真的詐騙 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
10077.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
10103.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
我要拜託你好今天真的是給你們這中間的有一些的情況尤其部會中間的效率五六天七八天雖然沒有判定完成那最後我也拜託一下啦因為我也不知道你們講了這麼多咖啡跟這些社群軟體也說了這麼多我不知道我們的召委應該常常有遇到這個問題啦那給我們藍勾勾不是藍勾勾沒有什麼好教啊就是什麼查證啊確認再三確認FB好不容易 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
10106.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
10106.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
10133.046 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
10133.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
議員８打詐 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
10158.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
10177.873 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
這個我們的這個執法通過在11月底我們會通過明年1月開始會實施這個就不會所以自然就不會出現也不用檢舉了實名制就實名制如果那個meta若是實名制的話哇你真的很有信心喔對這個我們我也希望這真的很麻煩對那個如果他們不配合我們剛剛講就會開始罰錢對 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
10179.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
10181.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
接下來邀請徐富奎委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
10212.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
10213.365 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
謝謝主席,有請我們黃部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
10220.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
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委員好部長好部長左院長在我們前天11號有召開治安會報針對這個我們這個電信的電商的平台的部分有做一些的指示嗎但是很諷刺的是我們從11月11號的打詐一標板發現光是網路購物的詐騙案件就高達110件損失金額有490萬那我想隨著這個電商平台 |
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議員議員 |
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委員會議 |
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他們這個詔兵集團就馬上換了一個新的手法了那所以針對這樣子一個我們一個輔導的成效如何輔導業者做一個事前防護事中應變還有事後改善的一個策略博定能不能說明一下 |
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電商的確是一個問題,電商的資安過去是一個漏洞所以我們在電商裡面的有一些集合跟一些甚至於我們將來要電商我們去集合的時候要做紅隊演練對他的這個資安要做提升這個是一個最主要的一個我覺得是目前最大的問題 |
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那這個我想這個做法我請那個署長再補充一下對部長我想除了要求他們要配合之外我們真的有沒有什麼監督的機制到底有沒有做沒做我們有沒有怎麼樣一個監督機制來檢視一下 |
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主要是兩個一個是行政檢查就是我們應該是所有大型電商都檢查了就看他們自然有沒有做好各自有沒有外有沒有保護有沒有做好這個那第二個是我們還會用防炸雷達去集合他看他有沒有一些違法的一些外賣界違法的一些產品或者一些詐騙的一些商品這個我們都會用外部的低量拒接當然剛剛陳吳魯委員講他們關鍵字都會變嘛所以我們會一直在更新我們的關鍵字 |
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委員會主席 |
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委員會長 |
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委員因為本市比較擔心因為這個有牽扯到數位的速發部之外還有我們經濟部還有交通部好幾個部會啦齁我跟他講這個跌穿交之後齁啊到底什麼人要付錢什麼人要處理什麼部分有沒有一個怎樣的一個完整的一個機制 |
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委員講的是就是我們這個跨部會的一個協調的機制到底有沒有各就各位我們有一個分工的原則我們現在是有通常會在要召集各部會來做一些網際網路的分工的原則大家都在探討 |
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對有這個原則我知道但是到底會不會就這樣的原則去落實去處理我們擔心是有這個架構但是到時候各推各的責任目前就我們的部分我們執行的還可以就在電商的部分其實現在已經沒有列入165的高風險的賣場我們本部俠管的 |
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所以是不是未來我們針對這樣一個跨部位的機制我們要怎麼樣加速一個資安通報的一個流程有效處理這個駭客入侵的案子數位部有信心嗎那個資安通報我們也有設的這樣一個機制所以本來就是在接受各方面通報這個是的確有這樣的機制都存在所以任何資安的事件我們都會很快的收到通報然後通知大家這樣 |
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部長這個剛剛我們很多委員有提到說我們出獄的速度真的有比較慢一點這個真的要再檢討一下內部檢討一下另外第一個針對我們2025即將邁入這個超高齡的一個社會那我們面臨所謂一個老人照顧的一個需求還有少子化帶來一個勞動力一個短缺的一個挑戰那我想請教部長針對這個我們現在5G專品的一個運用在所謂的醫療機器人來巡視病房 |
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或是進行一個視訊診療的部分部長這部分是不是有跟衛福部有做一個相關的一個合作的一個機制這個我們有一些AI的補助計畫那這個計畫申請的公司其實也有跨剛剛講江惠湖這一邊我是不是請署長做個說明我們舉兩個案例第一個是我們有一個安妮婆婆的她就照顧老人需要讓外傭去練習怎麼去翻身嘛這安妮婆婆的一個另外的話 |
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我們還有其他的包括偵測那種失智症老人會不會他的整個動作會被打下一動作會被打人這樣子預先讓讓照顧員可以知道類似這樣的案例我們還有還蠻多的對我想部長這個是很好的一個這個合作的一個機制那尤其現在醫護的人力也短缺那我們這個針對這個長照的需求也明顯的增加應該是在協助我們衛福部跟醫療院所的強化這個方面 |
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我們技術上就是用生成式AI跟這些部位來產生更好的服務這個有在進行對另外我們很多的農民朋友他們也擔心這個缺工的問題那所以目前工研院有透過5G跟AI辨識系統有一個開發一個自動巡檢的一個設備這個可以做到一些人力的一個減少的一個需求那這部分是不是輸貨部有沒有相關的一個輔導的機制 |
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對這個就是利用這個剛剛講的自動巡檢用這個影像辨識AI判斷這個也是一個在農業上的巡就是說這種無人機啊這些去做巡檢這個是也是一個趨勢那我們也在技術上對那個可以擴散這個我們已經有計劃我們從其實從黑木耳開始香菇、蘭花等等我們會一直持續擴散到不同的這個作物是相同的方法 |
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委員會議長 |
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請部長的協助向屏東我們這個尤其偏鄉一些比較原鄉的地區針對這些老人家也好能夠加強一些資訊教育尤其這些防詐的一些資訊那我想部長這個我們是不是有辦法能夠多辦一些的這樣類似一個展覽或是一個怎麼樣的一個形式的活動讓這個相關的一些5G的技術能夠融入百姓的生活裡面 |
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讓大家能夠運用這樣一個技術然後享受一個智慧科技的一個便利性有沒有做這樣一個計畫我們打算就是把一些故事做成一些這個說明或是短影然後再到處宣傳大家怎麼去用這些技術 |
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委員長我本期上次有提醒過就是我們現在因為我們都有每個村裡都有關懷據點嘛齁啊其實透過這樣關懷據點可以看這些影片然後去學習一些東西然後以增加一些觀念啊這個是很好的一個措施啊對我想能夠再強化一下這部分 |
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最後一個我想針對臺灣市場面臨這個中國跨境電商淘寶的一個侵害很嚴重那尤其這個最近發現了一個在捷運公司的一個廣告不時廣告那這部分部長我們有做什麼樣一個處理這個已經下架了所以後續我們有在追蹤嗎我們會持續追蹤那這個我們有持續在監控的 |
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接下來邀請廖新祥委員發言 |
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請黃部長今天要跟您請教這個國家數位任性的問題那相關的如果說有關單位一起陪同沒關係在今年7月的時候這個全球的這個 |
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請問一下我們速發部我們有沒有思考過畢竟 |
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這國際上沒有永遠的朋友也沒有永遠的敵人那在考慮在考慮數位任性這件事情上面其實全球所有的無論是公部門或私部門對於微軟的依賴都是非常的深那如果有一天微軟停止了提供我們台灣中華民國的軟體的服務那我們國家會發生什麼事情你們有沒有做過相關的評估 |
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報告委員那個目前當然我們系統有兩種一種是微軟一種是Ninux就是open source的對Ninux對所以就是說基本上我想就是在很多的服務上就是像backend server的雲端就不見得是微軟我們有用到很多的雲端的服務所以就是說我們當然微軟是我們現在最主要的那個在像在前端的desktop來一些應用可是就是說第一個我覺得這個微軟會 |
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停止服務這個事情大概是一個很小的Property不過就算這樣子我們後段的一些Backup的一些這個系統就分成兩個部分啦第一個是第一個第一時間他可能會對我們國家發生了多大的危害 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算 |
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除了這個金融系統一定還有各行部包括我們所有的政府機關的跨部會的一些公文系統電腦等等的全部都是用微軟嗎沒有我們現在有一些這個用open source啦像openoffice就不見得會microsoft的office所以的確那個有很多軟體我們是盡量的走open source走public code這樣去做那這樣就是因為讓我們比較能夠掌控 |
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所以沒關係那我問部長那部長的意思應該是我們可能我們的數位部沒有做過相關的評估啦應該是沒有所以說你們可能沒有辦法跟我說他會對我們造成多大的一個衝擊那這件事情我希望我們這個數發部能夠重視因為未來世界會怎麼樣我們不知道因為包括美中的一個衝突等等的 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算 |
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那對於我們的國家無論是政府部門或民間部門的衝擊會有劇烈的程度可以嗎評估好我們就是再請我們的部門做評估不過我還是講就是說我們走向open source也是我們的一個effort是這絕對要走了所以我也是第二個部分就是請教我們部長第一個部長你要多少時間你先講 |
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那個評估的話那個這個一個月我們評估一下其實這份報告也不只是給立法院應該是要給我們所有有關的部門讓他們知道未來如果發生這件事情的時候他們會怎麼樣 |
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他們可能不知道為什麼會這樣嘛對不對那包括未來剛剛那以及下一個部分我們的Linux我們可能需要用Linux來重建我們的國家的系統包括國家優先那可能民間其次你們有沒有評估過需要多久的時間能夠用Linux至少大體上去取代微軟的系統 |
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就是這個沒有評估過但是我們可以再但是就是像委員講就是我們逐步的減少對proprietary的那個系統的依賴所以當然就是我們逐步在在在就是包括像AI我們要講主權的AI就是我們要有自己的model像這種事情我們都在做 |
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是原因就是要減少對外面的依賴但這個當然是一個比較long term的effort不過我們的確有擔心這樣的問題所以的確有在各位覺得他是一個架構的問題我們不可能在第一時間問題發生的時候馬上就要求你在今天幾個小時內去解決問題但是我們應該有一個優先順序因為我們的國內的資訊軟體人才的量能其實是有限的專業人才量能有限我們應該要去盤點 |
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委員會主席 |
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全部都支援到嘛對不對好不好我希望我們出發部當然打仗是非常重要但是我覺得這個我們出發部應該有更高的一個責任跟你們專業的部分在這上面第一個部分就是剛剛講的評估報告第二個就是我們重建的一個系統 |
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這兩件事情希望我們這個書發部未來能夠提供那第二個剛剛部長有講到我們這個國內的一個AI的一個系統的一個可能研發嘛等等的我們書發部有在補助國內的機關團體或是民間機構或是投資相關機構去做AI的一個研發嗎 |
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我們有提供像AI算力池我們有個計畫就是在建算力池讓民間的公司能夠來用我們的算力池因為AI的設備跟服務其實是蠻貴的那所以這個是我們在鼓勵local在應用面 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。 |
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11187.975 |
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二、審查 |
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11208.437 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資 |
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11221.716 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
11221.736 |
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委員會議 |
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11239.739 |
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11243.441 |
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拜託政府應該相對應比過往更多的一些預算 |
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11268.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
11296.152 |
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觀眾謙虛 |
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好謝謝廖先祥委員接下來邀請邱若驊委員發言謝謝主席主席請速發布黃部長還有資安署的謝署長請黃部長還有謝署長好委員好 |
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11326.098 |
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11351.553 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
部長好同樣的我們延續剛剛的AI議題有幾個問題要請教部長還有署長來我們來做探討那我們今天要討論的是ChatGPTChatGPT在2022年12月的時候推出那隨後在全球就掀起了浪潮那根據ChatGPT他們研發公司OpenAI的資料顯示每週經常的使用戶數有2億人那由此可見 |
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生成式的AI已經成為了全球的主流趨勢還有普及化本席就生成式AI所造成的潛在風險和未來發展的可能性請教部長還有署長2022年12月之後公部門所有的自動設備還有所屬的場域全面禁用抖音還有TikTok公部門所配有的手機平板還有電腦都不能下載這兩款APP請問署長還有我們部長全面禁用抖音和TikTok的原因是什麼在當時 |
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11383.412 |
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議員提到的是各自的疑慮嗎? |
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11408.943 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算：完整會議二、審查114年度中央政府總預算：完整會議 |
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11442.561 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。 |
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11477.428 |
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外泄那在2023年的5月高達高峰那尤其有更重要的是那個報告還有指出洩漏區域以亞太地區作為嚴重居宇榜首那其次是中東非洲還有歐洲那面對這個問題去年行政院他們也在8月的時候 |
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11477.768 |
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11497.07 |
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通過行政院所屬的機關機構使用深層式AI參考指引那經管會也在今年6月20號通過金融業運用人工智慧AI指引代表深層式AI確實有資安盈利部長和署長你們知道這指引的內容嗎?這個指引都知道那其中最重要的幾點可不可以就是 |
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11500.009 |
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公務資料不要上傳公務資料不要上傳公務資料不要上傳公務資料不要上傳公務資料不要上傳公務資料不要上傳公務資料不要上傳公務資料不要上傳 |
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11524.403 |
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11540.151 |
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另外這個指引有要求說我們要選用比較就是可信賴的服務但是就治安來說就治安來說其實只要是外部的不能做設定跟防護的你應該在使用上都是參考那也同步回應剛剛委員問到的其實我們會希望公務機關除了你 |
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| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
委員會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
11569.083 |
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11571.865 |
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速發部是不是發展我們AI的科技主要的主管機構之一?我們是好幾個部一起合作要做AI的發展跟管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
11585.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
11608.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
那其中建立AI生態系算力還有資料收集還有能力的培育是在我們速發部沒有錯吧對有一部分工作是在我們這裡那既然速發部和資安署是我國公部門資訊安全相關業務的重要的機構那請問署長還有部長那關於生成式AI服務平台像是CHAT、GPT還有等相關應用的程式是否有危害國家之痛的疑慮呢 |
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11609.364 |
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11628.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
我們危害國家通安全的這個定義是針對中國製的設備的產品其實沒有若以這個那等於這邊要提到目前有很多國際知名的企業他們因為為了怕防止洩密他們他們禁用checkGPT那checkGPT在我們台灣目前呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
11628.641 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
11629.382 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
三星還有美國的蘋果呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
11646.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
11657.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
美國的蘋果、Amazon、Verizon、美國銀行還有花旗集團他們都禁止在他們內部公司使用那在我們台灣我們公部門是不是應該要來禁止使用ChatGPT? |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
11659.068 |
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11675.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
我剛講就說這個東西是由各個單位自己去決定那目前我們行政院他們推出的指引部長署長認為力度夠嗎現在就說不能把我們再請那個署長說明我們事實上指引裡面對這個有一些要求再說明一下 |
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報告委員其實不管他的規定他現在的規定是只要是公務跟機密你都不應該傳上去但是我們會覺得說除了CHAT GPT之外所有要跟你要的資料因為現在所有的軟體跟所有的系統都試著跟你要資料不是剛剛提到TikTok跟抖音部長有提到是中國嗎那現在CHAT GPT在美國像Apple跟Samsung Verizon他們也都是禁用的那這樣是不是有雙重標準 |
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11715.903 |
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報告委員其實我們的指引跟相關的規範是你不應該把公務的東西傳給你不認識的人包含確GPT他後面的分析不知道是誰我們數位數位部有沒有使用過確GPT數位部有沒有 |
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11719.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
11740.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
對阿,內部的人工或是你們正在建立一個AI生態系你們應該有去了解TPTN目前提供的服務的內容大概是什麼樣嗎有去研究生成式AI會用到好幾個工具包括Google都有,我們會了解他們的功能是什麼不過我們 |
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11741.076 |
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11767.042 |
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我想他收集的數據不只是在Google吧是全球各網站對不對就是我剛才有幾個重要的就是我剛才講這大型的那是不是如果是這樣子的話那再發布在我們台灣新聞的話那其他在海外的用戶他也可以知道目前我們的國情像是軍力還有國防相關的我們沒有把我們這些資料拿去我不是說我是說CHAT GPT上面他只要透過在這個在這個這個OpenAI的服務上面他也可以知道我們目前現在台灣的情況啊 |
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11767.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
11768.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
議員８立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會議 |
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11790.285 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
11811.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
目前我質疑裡面就是這樣說就是我們不能把公務的資料放到沒有人會把公務的資料放在CHAT GPT上面可是他如果說要做如果他拿不到我們資料他裡面的LRM就不會有我們的資料所以就不用擔心說別人會看到我們的資料因為他根本就是我們的資料不會給他用所以他根本看不到 |
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請部長和署長我回去之後再演繹再給本席書面報告謝謝主席謝謝邱若驊委員 |
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11843.922 |
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11864.658 |
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接下來邀請陳雪生委員發言。好,謝謝章偉。是不是請速發部黃部長。好,請黃部長。欸? |
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11875.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
11891.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
這次11月6日、7日我們去馬祖做交通委員會考察,部長沒有去,派了市長去了。我想請問部長,速發部跟NCC跟中華電信你們三者之間什麼關係? |
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11912.451 |
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我們是輔導跟獎勵,監理還是NCC,中華電信在維運上是NCC在監管預算是你們編嗎?為什麼很多中華電信或NCC都要向你們要錢?你們只管政策嗎? |
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11915.353 |
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11928.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
獎勵獎勵因為我感覺很像NCC很像是多餘的齁會不會跌床駕屋那個剛剛講就是那個電信啊這些的監理還是在NCC我們不管Operation就平常維運我們不管那你們跟NCC的關係勒 |
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| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
我們跟NCC的關係基本上就是剛剛講像這個獎勵這個譬如說偏鄉或者是說獎勵這種貧苦的分配這個我們在處理就屬於因為你們是平行單位我們是平行單位我們是原就是說在這個剛剛講就貧苦的發放還有就是偏鄉的獎勵這個我們會處理 |
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11981.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
我們從111年到113年大概我們海嵐損壞了17次17次的原因我不曉得有沒有去檢查你們光112年2月2號跟2月8號那麼第二號海嵐第三號海嵐雙段都斷掉了斷掉的話當然現在就微波來代替微波的替代率功能現在會比海嵐好嗎 |
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11982.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
11985.136 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
那微波再壞了咧?微波再壞了怎麼辦? |
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12009.624 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
12011.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
微博在外就是衛星,我們現在也有低軌衛星可以使用 |
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| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
12032.491 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
你們現在損壞的原因是大陸漁船還是他們海警船還是我們因為風浪的關係斷了,你們有沒有去探討?瞭解是因為是被漁船勾斷,目前的瞭解是這樣子因為新聞報導是有老公故意把它弄壞的 |
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12068.294 |
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這個我不確定,但是知道是漁船去不管是故意或是現在詐騙極端很多啊,到底你讀錯的事情我們沒有確實的,我們只知道被漁船勾斷,那漁船為什麼要勾斷我們沒有辦法去查網路啦、臉書啦、說說說什麼審什麼某某大佬又掛了又什麼的我第二天一看節目上又出現了,沒事啊講的跟真的一樣啊,你們這個都不會去追嗎? |
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12095.071 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
這個新聞這樣子網路裡面臉書出來就算了就結束了你們相關單位會不會去追查目前這個所謂的假訊息這一塊這一塊的我們只能從剛剛講就是說從技術面去看這是不是假訊息至於內容部分目前是不是啊因為尤其打詐防騙啊 |
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12096.482 |
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12113.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
你們有這個單位有這個機關,但是給國人的感覺還不是那麼好,受騙的人繼續增加,上當的人繼續在增加,應該要有點效果,是不是?所以你們這方面你們覺得你們的工作做得很好嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
12138.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
還有我們已經布建了一些這個剛剛講我商人以後引進了一些技術像防炸雷達去做用AI去做掃描確實掃到很多詐騙的訊息那個確實也讓他們下架所以在源頭上確實有些效果但是這個是長期的這是跟詐騙集團的長期的戰爭所以就是說這個我們變好他也變好所以就這個東西還在打仗 |
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| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
12166.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
那我們但是希望能夠打贏這場戰那我剛才講到第二條海欄第三條海欄修復了沒有?修復了是已經修復了修復了嗎?那第四條的海欄第四條海欄總經費要14億14億我看你們很像是115年6月份要完工嗎?對但是目前的進度怎麼樣?目前進度市長是報告一下 |
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12168.201 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
12194.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
報告委員目前進度如期順利,115年預計6月應該是可以完工我很奇怪齁,你在前章裡面只編了1.4億元啊是,謝委員那個...總計劃要14億欸這邊中華電信公司有透過交通部有這樣預算的編列當然如果說我們未來我們還在爭取預算再來補貼中華電信也是可以的 |
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12195.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
12201.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
那你預算如果沒有爭取到的話,中華電力完全要負責嗎?目前是這樣子14億欸中華電力有這個能力嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
12231.541 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
我看你們簡報裡面說要立法委員去希望我去爭取當然我們如果說政府能夠有補助的話會加速加快他的建制速度因為這個涉及到他的經費的分配所以我們在115年到118年也有在爭取3.2億那這個要在社發基金我們國發會裡面來爭取如果可以的話請委員幫忙國發會 |
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12235.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
12251.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
國防部民主建設基金只剩下多少錢哪有這個十幾億沒有十幾億沒有就是3.2億4年3.2億4年3.2億你全部計費要14億14億現在只撥了1.4億還有12點多億還沒撥還沒撥的話你這個錢要從哪裡來還是中華電信要自籌因為這個部分我們政府只能用補助的概念沒辦法全額來我這個沒有意見剩下一點時間 |
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12265.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
12294.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
我想請問部長馬祖5G的通訊基礎建設你們建設的進程是什麼5G啊跟委員報告我們馬祖屬於離島偏鄉他現在5G目前朝向99%的涵蓋那委員看到您這張照片上面從淺藍色就是一個100%比較高的涵蓋所以涵蓋是有的那通訊的品質我們在加強 |
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12295.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
12323.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
那現在台灣大哥大還有遠傳他們根本是零啊現在跟委員報告中華電信、台客大跟遠傳在馬祖5G的建設的數量按照NCC官網核發的執照100台左右所以有涵蓋但是就像剛剛說的後面的海嵐、後面的微波的頻寬還不夠所以這個用戶使用起來感覺上比較卡所以這個部分我們會再加強 |
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| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
12337.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
因為現在是蘋果的話還好啊,如果是遠傳大概大概什麼的收訊率不是非常的好。我說你們對這兩個電信公司你們有沒有什麼對應的措施? |
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| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
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這個措施上面我們會透過普及服務因為我們今年的普及服務辦法也加入了行動寬頻就是說透過補貼補助的方式能夠希望它能夠加速市長你們有時間的話找他們幾家業者來溝通一下來開會嘛是好不好是你起碼讓5G的普及率能夠增加那我們開會之後我們會再複製委員辦公室這邊好好好那謝謝部長謝謝市長好不好好謝謝謝謝召委謝謝好謝謝陳雪生委員 |
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請黃國昌部長 |
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委員好部長你好今天審查預算我給他算了一下你這個數位發展部花錢毫不手軟數位發展部大概我不知道這預算是不是你編的那個你其實部長以前編的還是你知道 |
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國外旅費158部分平均6.19萬 |
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本部8.5萬中央政府平均1.7萬所以旅費3.54倍平均本部4.86倍委辦費用委辦給人家平均40%數位產發署 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算 |
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被騙5億九成都是投資詐騙到現在為止我們政府的單位成立的越多打詐國家對打詐辦公室成立越多詐騙越多一年就是87億 |
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拜託委員那個 |
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我們因為數位發展我們數位經濟本來就會跟國外尤其是資安跟國外有很多互動所以我們在這邊的經費阿幾個月出國沒有那個阿就是3.54倍阿平均你們補裡面4.86倍阿我跟你講阿我全部砍喔那個我可以請那個我全部砍喔我告訴你數法部成為國外旅遊部 |
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跟委員報告齁那因為速發部成立之後有非常多的業務包含跟美國或者是歐洲這邊會有很大量的那種麻煩你們的成效過去唐鳳東部長弄個點面線APP 這樣什麼成果也沒有還要講兩個半天 |
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是跟委員再補充一下比如說以跟歐洲地區好了那歐洲因為我們現在跟英國其實也在做經貿談判啊人家都不要出國你講這個給國外啦沒有人相信啦成效也很差啊人家點名台灣的詐騙三大機關要負最大責任數位發布 |
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政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。 |
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委員委員 |
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委辦是因為我們有很多計劃是委託給像比如說公營運資策會公協會去執行包括剛剛講就是說那個因為我們剛剛講我們發展多用AI去做很多這個比如說數位轉型所以這些計劃都是需要再做研發所以你這些旅遊其他單位都存在為什麼你是人家的三十四倍為什麼你是人家的二十倍為什麼 |
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為什麼啊 為什麼我這樣子啊 34倍 別人 你剛剛講理由 那個理由 別的單位也要啊 也要回給工人院 也要回給工協會 為什麼你們特別多 就代表你們特別懶惰啊 |
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你們特別懶惰啊,你們的人就欸啊都放棄還是你們特別不專業人家也專業產業推動我請署長說明一下跟委員報告我要送經濟部來我們在以前在工業局其實委辦會也是因為就是要做產業發展你給我查一下齁你今天你回答我都不滿意了根本就沒有回答我重點齁你給我寫個簡單的報告可以嗎這個禮拜起來給我3天3天給我齁還我問一下部長 |
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台灣有沒有在發展第一軌道貴星?台灣現在是用OneWeb的這個台灣現在是用兩部分的一部分就是說既有的系統我們是用這個英國的OneWeb速發部有沒有角色扮演? |
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像OneWeb的那個推動跟使用是速發部在推動?啊他們現在STARLINK那個馬斯克那個SPACEX要離開台灣有沒有這回事?這個因為這屬於經濟部的那個產業面我不清楚但是在服務上那個STARLINK我們有試著去跟他談好的那你給我時間表齁你不管怎麼樣你今天因為我時間到了齁不要花太多時間你回答我 |
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我們什麼時候台灣可以見到全面性的低軌道軌心可以取代我們現在的海底海底電纜否則的話一打仗有什麼問題這個是在國科會那邊在太空中心你告訴我你有參與嗎我們主要是在commercial已經在run的系統我們去想辦法讓他在台灣落地 |
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現在都沒有?什麼時候會錄製?什麼時候?什麼時候?王偉已經通了,今年通了。王偉年底全通。年底全通?對,就王偉我們現在年底在台灣任何地方24小時都可以有地軌。那什麼時候會有6G啊? |
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6G還2030年2030那個標準還沒定現在不是有B5G嗎B5G還在對B5G到6G還有點距離但是B5G什麼時候6G2030B5G2030有沒有 |
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接下來邀請黃國昌委員發言 |
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謝謝主席,是不是可以麻煩有請黃部長我要 |
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部長,數發部從2022年8月風光皆白到現在我想社會上面有很多評價講得比較直接一點是很多批評我相信部長都有聽到當然國人會關心的事情是說當副發部今年的預算跟明年你們現在編起來的預算加上前瞻的預算 |
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大概拿了283億兩千多萬從各個部會來講這個預算的金額絕對不能算低所以大家就很關心數發部到底做了什麼樣子的事情 |
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我就看整個副發部在預算的編列上或者是在相關經費的使用上有一些事情我覺得很困惑困惑是說你們有很多計畫比如說高齡科技產業數位負能推動銀髮四代連結計畫 |
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今年的預算一億七千七百五十萬明年的預算一億兩千兩百四十萬總計兩億九千九百九十萬這個計畫的主持人是誰?您知道嗎?這個計畫的主持人是誰?您知道嗎?他現在還是主秘嗎?他現在還是主秘 |
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那你們公務員去編這個計畫主要是目的要在計畫裡面養人嗎?因為我看人事費裡面五千多萬這個計畫的內容你們有沒有看過?用計畫在養人啊? |
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因為你齁如果說齁今天這是國科會的計畫學校的單位教授研究計畫要帶學生要養專業的助理所以我可以理解可是怎麼數發部會開始搞這個東西啊部長這個狀況你知不知道 |
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國標單位是公研院等一下等一下等一下先先停一下現在到底誰是部長那個報告報告委員這個我們很多東西是應該這樣講就是說我們在研發裡面有有上中下我們出發部主要是做中下包括推動所以像這個銀髮族這個我們會跟比如說跟公研合作那公研的公研就是就是拿一些研究成果然後自己在產業裡面去補助產業去應用去推動會會在我們這裡處理 |
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不是啊 這個跟產業沒關係啊計畫主持人就你們祖密啊對 那是那個然後下面養了一堆人啊這個東西在做什麼你知不知道銀髮世代的連結對對對 這個東西在做什麼你知不知道對高齡的現在的一個問題我們希望能夠讓這個他們能夠有這個能夠用數位用這個這樣講這些數位的技術能夠做一些在生活上的改善你覺得這個計畫推動到現在成效如何 |
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部長覺得成效如何還是你不是很了解因為這個計畫知道就知道不知道就不知道這個計畫我在我上任之前已經推了一年半我再回去瞭解這個我不甚瞭解我可以對話你不是很瞭解請你回去瞭解請你回去瞭解我為什麼請部長回去瞭解花了幾億搞這個東西啊來我給部長看一下 |
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這個的確偏低啦 |
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用偏低兩個字可以形容喔我送部長四個字啊叫慘不忍睹啊書發部很有錢啊幾億的計畫搞這種東西出來啊幫了什麼銀髮族啊用銀髮用勒林用這些fancy的字說服立法委員給你們預算搞這個東西出來 |
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爛的不得了啊下面一樣啊18次19次16次我的老天啊這個到底在幹嘛部長回去了解一個禮拜之內書面報告說明這是怎麼回事因為這件事情如果沒有說明我在這邊先把話講白了 |
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這個不是只有一年喔今年還繼續編喔我一定砍到聖靈園沒有必要執行下去嘛我執行這個要幹嘛我們都支持壯世代啊支持銀髮啊支持樂齡啊但支持的方法絕對不是錢亂花啊這在搞什麼東西啊好一個禮拜我們給委員一個報告再看一下審查委員怎麼講的 |
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各計畫的規劃缺乏創新性高齡學習或社交課程在現有的長青學院已經非常普遍高齡數位學習教材開發的數量也很多結果呢結果我們的速發部錢太多啊立法院給的錢啊都花不行啊隨便亂花效果到底在哪裡 |
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連審查委員都看不下去啊事情還不是只有這樣來再看一下另外一個計畫有一個數位前瞻應用發展計畫這名字又取得很好啦有數位啊有前瞻啊來關鍵成果跟績效指標我看每一年度的奇怪內容幾乎都重複啊內容幾乎都重複啊 |
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部長我相信啊如果你自己當審查委員你看了可能都會皺眉頭啊這到底是在搞什麼東西啊來我們再繼續往下看審查委員一樣啊砲聲隆隆啊三項目標各自獨立論述沒有共同的終點目標這個目標也明確說明本計畫以幕僚作業需求為主整體計畫包括眾多不明確的開發需求 |
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公範包山包海沒有實質對應的產出啊這如果是任何一家公司的負責人啊看到這樣子的內容會皺眉頭啊這個錢要丟下去嗎錢丟到水裡還蹦一聲啊這個丟到水裡這個錢丟下去可能連聲音都沒有啊再往後看喔主席站起來了不好意思我最後給我最後 |
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次四代行動創新應用負能發展計畫兩年兩億一千三百萬在幹嘛今天我質詢的時候我提了三個東西出來請部長回去了解請部長回去了解一個禮拜之內一個禮拜之內 |
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說清楚執行到現在你個人滿不滿意納稅的錢還要不要這樣花一個禮拜之內的書面回答如果我看了沒有辦法說服的話我醜話講在前面今年度相關的預算我一定砍到剩領園謝謝謝謝黃國昌委員 |
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接下來邀請林德福委員林德福委員林德福委員林德福委員不在現場接下來邀請吳春成委員發言有請部長請黃部長 |
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那剛才呢我們這個黃國昌總召 |
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所提出的所提出的這都是讓人真的是滿心痛的事情這個我想這個部長那個你很有理想性但是你到了速發布之後應該會看到 |
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其實有很多需要改革的地方需要改革的地方我自己在推動的一個過程當中部長都很認同但是往下推都很困難往下推所以就像剛才所提到了樂齡好幫手我覺得大家都在虛晃一招我就很懷疑其實裡面 |
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大家欺上瞞下做表面功夫我們的政府機構處處充滿這種問題很多部會很理想性的東西然後講了哇那部長來了大家談的溝通都很感動都很怎麼樣但是你真的推到推下去以後都自愛難行 |
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都自愛難行但是呢大撒幣大花錢像剛才講那幾個這個什麼樂齡好幫手那一種那麼多的活動花了那麼多錢點滴率都在20個以下然後呢難道沒有看到嗎都看到已經推行這麼久了然後也沒有改善 |
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那像這種問題啦像這種問題那個我覺得真的是要大力的大力的改革久了久了這個很多很多底下烏煙瘴氣的事情可能很多好我先不談這個事情啦但是總是要一個好的開始像這個我們諮詢業 |
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資訊業也辦了那麼久了要有一些創造的新意嘛所以呢這個是我跟部長建議的啦我跟部長建議的就是這個現在的年輕人不太參加實體活動資訊業怎麼樣創在再創熱潮嘛我說答應我幫你帶一批人來什麼帶來就帶壯士帶來 |
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所以這個溝通的方式就叫董資樂園就要開幕了很多的新創的一些做法 |
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OK 所以呢 這裡做個廣告請大家來參加直接跳過來這一頁那想這個問題喔 的確這個非常就是整個的數位落差那蘇巴部會看到就是年齡的數位落差是重點但是呢我們現在一時政策都會往這個區域的數位落差去做那這一個可以看得到嗎 區域的數位落差就兩成嘛 |
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那最高跟最低兩層嘛,零零落差差到五層嘛那這高領社會這個問題會更嚴重那所以呢接下來因為我的時間所以呢好現在呢辦這次諮詢的董之樂園那我也非常努力在帶動 |
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帶動這一個但是我覺得我真的很努力但是呢事實上不會我覺得當然都做出一個做出一個場面但是事實上事實上會再更積極不過第一次試辦沒有給你們太多壓力所以呢希望活動辦完以後因為只有4天的活動不是大拜拜這樣這個活動之後 |
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請問部長,好好地檢討、好好地觀察這次的活動的過程當中,是不是 |
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請問部長 |
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報告委員我想在這次這個活動結束之後我們再看看怎麼樣配合剛剛其實剛剛黃委員講確實我們有一些經費可以對這個不管是壯士代或高齡有一些幫助那怎麼讓幫助更有效我想我們再來檢討 |
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我要跟部長講昨天我們院長卓院長也宣誓了因為昨天召開的社福委員會行政院社福委員會要重視壯士帶積極的參與社會積極參與社會數位是非常重要的部分 |
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那所以最後這個就是不是可以要求這個訴發部承諾把縮短年齡的數位落差的具體措施在3個月之內提出一份詳盡的結果3個月的時間黃國昌都給一個禮拜我給3個月 |
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謝謝吳春城委員 |
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接下來邀請徐欣盈委員發言徐欣盈委員徐欣盈委員徐欣盈委員不在現場接下來邀請林月琦委員發言主席好麻煩那個黃部長請黃部長 |
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主席 |
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打蠟專法上路後賦予網路廣告平臺業者防詐的義務。為了明確哪些平臺要納管義務,我們看到9月16日的時候,蘇發部已經公告了即日生效的一定規模的網路廣告平臺計算基準,來明定如果符合有 |
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刊登詐騙廣告的風險我國每個月的獨立訪客的人數超過5%的話這兩項定義那就對於要被納管的我們的網路廣告平臺包括Google、Meta跟Line都入列那我們再看到9月27號我在質詢的時候我就已經跟院長提出來是說 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算 |
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網路遊戲成癮跟網路霸凌有極大的相關性所以在這種狀況底下美國已經在7月的時候就已經通過了成癮性的內容剝削的兒童法它第一個規範具有成癮性的演算法第二個是避免深夜推播內容的影響睡眠第三個家長在保護隱私下可限制使用網路長途跟明定罰款英國在去年 |
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十月也通過了網路安全法規範業者一定要履行的職責還有呢定義新型態的網路上犯罪還有要求業者要及時刪除若有對孩子有妨礙的話還有明定罰則那9月27號我在總詢詢的時候 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算 |
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委員你也說你們是這些平台的管理單位所以想問一下數位發展部到底對這些網路平台要如何進行管理 |
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報告委員就是沒有做那個打詐罰讓我們能夠對這4個平台這個4個平台主要是網路廣告平台但是我們有個機制這個重點是那個機制存在就是說我們有一個機制能夠要求他們下架那當然這個下架的一開始是以詐騙為主就是說詐騙訊息但是如果有一些剛剛講這個兒少如果這個兒少如果是比如說衛福部落發現哪些東西有問題我們可以協助去處理這些下架但是判斷這個東西內容是不是有兒少問題還是需要 |
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而常常境外的甚至平臺微服部大也很困難所以我也希望所以那天9月27號總諮詢的時候院長就已經同意因為網路安全現在是世界各國最大的隱憂對我們下一代影響非常的深厚我們看下一屆澳洲的總理就已經宣布要立法禁止16歲以下孩童使用的社群媒體為什麼要這樣立法也是為了保護下一代因為我剛剛提過 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算：完整會議二、審查114年度中央政府總預算：完整會議 |
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14053.455 |
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9月執行到現在10月11月本來要審預算那接下來要審預算了所以我也想問速發部對網路平台你怎麼做會有拘束力我們希望你在因為之前我執行那我在想說你們為什麼明年的預算還是沒有去考慮院長也同意要一併來做所以也希望你們速發部針對這一塊因為當然做是要人力來做我相信你編的預算也是人力我希望你們把這個納入 |
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否則的話這預算我會好好的看管以上謝謝好謝謝林業勤委員接下來邀請麥玉珍委員發言謝謝主席有請黃部長請黃部長 |
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委員好部長好想要請教部長一下目前數位發展部在詐騙通報查詢網站的預算編列了為6000萬請問該平台通報率及查記處理的成效如何? |
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14106.218 |
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還有外籍人士是包含新住民移工僑生還有投資移民技術移民已經超過150萬人外籍人士語言不通當他們收片時如何求助還有被騙多少人還有多少金額部長你知道嗎 |
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我們現在被騙的就是說在我們那個所謂的這個我們是165這個就是我們這個查詢裡面目前看到每天大概就3到6億嘛這是金額啦對但是說我說外籍人士在台灣已經超過150萬人但是有多少多少人還有語言求助 |
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外景人事我就比較沒有資料所以你沒有去沒有去統計但是有很多團體就幫你統計了我希望這個部分 |
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你要去統計好不好所以如果你沒有關於這些外籍人士所以我要問你人民現在繳的稅金有包含外籍人士繳的稅金嗎外籍人士應該都有啊都有的話為什麼編列預算在防詐網站是不是有多種語言 |
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14193.45 |
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所以說我們這個網站都沒有多種語言嘛所以說是是說165而已嘛 |
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14208.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
14213.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
所以這樣子的話我看到的就是防詐資訊協助的就是一般民眾缺雜對在台的外籍人士的協助當他面臨就是特殊的詐騙的狀況就是沒有一個管道也沒有這樣子的求助所以說我們如何檢舉機制還有保護的措施我想要問你的是這一塊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
我們自己目前正在測試網路詐騙通報查詢網 |
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14255.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
14259.963 |
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對,但是我們每次我們民眾打電話就是進我們的防詐中心都會經常被回復的就是兩個國外的帳號無法查詢國外的詐騙集團無法追蹤就是詐騙的中心回的都是這個 |
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14279.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
所以部長有沒有考慮說成立一個多種語言專屬的團隊專責調查協助查緝國外內的詐騙集團以多元的方式就是預防減少國民還有外籍人士在台灣 |
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14294.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。 |
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對但是我們不想聽的就是研議中努力中希望是有有一個真正的規劃但是我看你編列了6 |
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14330.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
6千萬的費用是以預防詐騙還是減少詐騙這筆費用廣告及媒體的預算知否真正的發揮了保護人民的功能還是甚至還是只是對特定的廠商就是有利 |
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14349.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
14364.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
這個是給民眾用的這個是我們說網路通報詐騙通報查詢是給民眾看到訊息不確定是不是詐騙之前能夠來查詢所以我才說你們就是6千萬嘛一千萬的話第一千萬啊就是要自己 |
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| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
14366.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算 |
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14385.762 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
14386.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
網路詐騙通報查詢網的維運跟開發 |
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| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
14413.528 |
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對 所以我的意思說你花人民的血汗錢連眼睛眨一下都沒有眨 對不對所以請我們書法部以一週內提供給我們就是多元的服務的規劃 |
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| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
14426.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
包含語言上線時間因為你拿的納稅錢不是只有人民所有的人所以要負責新的團隊的名單還有及時更新我們的新增的語言的上線日期希望你要把這個因為很多人都說你們都說詐騙集團是國外的 |
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14444.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
14469.232 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
詐騙的賬號是國外的但是你們要如何比詐騙集團更先進啊更有語言觀有世界觀讓這些人才能在台灣的外籍人士才能幫助到你變成如何去打仗去除害這個才是真正的解決問題啦不要是說花錢都砸一個眼睛都沒辦法砸 |
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| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
14470.772 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
接下來邀請侯孟楷委員發言 |
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| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
14501.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
黃國昌議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
14533.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
是我想訴發部大家國人很關心跟重視的當然都是打詐騙的議題打詐的議題本期也下載了網路詐騙通報查詢網的這個APP那其中裡面我有看到一個統計啊我想這個APP已經上線一個多月了嘛大家都有通報大家都有這個這個統計相關資料其中詐騙媒介 |
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| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
14548.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
就是本席跟國人大家所關心就是說到底這些廣告都在哪裡做詐騙哪裡讓民眾獲得這個資訊部長有沒有掌握詐騙媒介現在的平台裡面最多還是在臉書臉書那再來勒 |
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14562.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
再來就是應該就是就說臉書以外就是Line啊Google啊然後像TikTok您看一下你的詐騙媒介我拉30天的資料總共10萬筆將近11萬筆 |
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14566.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
14573.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
6萬筆是臉書23000筆是IG、Instagram其實也是臉書的再來MetaMessage4900筆將近5000筆還有Meta的廣告聯播網18000筆 |
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14583.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
14609.576 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
所以其實光臉書的一個百分之九十、九十幾都是他們相關的系統真正你剛剛所講Google只有13311萬裡面只佔了133而Live只佔了681都是不到千位所以換言之九成都是臉書相關系統那既然已經知道大宗的部分在那邊了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
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那我們除了繼續給國人通報繼續被動的下架那我們主動積極的作為在哪裡臉書它可以賺那麼多錢它可以接受廣告沒有問題你要去做社群正常的廣告我們當然歡迎這個是正常的市場機制啊但是不能給詐騙集團投放廣告啊 |
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所以報告委員所以我們現在為什麼要通過打詐釋法裡面尤其關於這個這個廣告平台已經通過了上個會期已經通過了我現在就7月16已經通過了7月12已經通過了沒錯所以我們現在到現在11月13所以我們 |
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所以現在他們第一個他們要在台灣設法律代表跟落地10月30他們已經申請了11月30我們會公告就是這個這個我們這些執法這個什麼他們有件事一定要做就是廣告實名制 |
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就是說過去的剛剛講的那種詐騙都是是這個是本期上一次在同樣交通委員會的時候我就要求的嘛那現在更有數據佐證的就是高達九成九成屋以上我們台灣的詐騙樣態類型都是從他們的一個母公司出來嘛沒錯沒錯所以Meta是我們最關心的那我們進去在剛剛講就是我們已經跟Meta所謂的喝咖啡包括他們派美國的技術專家來跟我們討論他喝咖啡喝很多但是他還是肢意妄為啊所以現在已經跟他講 |
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拜託用這樣的法來 |
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第一個但是先道德勸說第二就是用法律來要求他要配合希望這樣的結果就是說我們再也不會看到這種所謂假公眾人物的報告部長源頭管理才是重點不要累壞我們第一線的警務同仁或是累壞我們所有其實我們說用這個通報機制大家要再通報你已經看到要再通報那何不從源頭管理尤其是我們已經上線一個月了我覺得用你的這個數字就很清楚明白的認證驗證我們廣告來源詐騙廣告來源到底在哪裡 |
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那如果說您剛有提到是可以源頭管理的話那本席也想請教另外一個部分就是我也在不管是外環委員會、交通委員會到現在交通委員會Google上面我搜尋啊電子煙啊我不知道你有沒有搜尋過但是你只要搜尋電子煙電子煙現在是不合法的在台灣那結果我們搜尋反而它的官方網站持續在那邊 |
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那衛福部居然跟我們講是說國民健康署跟我們講是說已經把後面有點TW的給下架了但是沒有啊但是重點是現在Google我相信所有的同仁你現在Google打開電子煙三個字一搜尋官方網站馬上出來而且製作的華麗精美程度甚至裡面還有衛教告訴你有多少口味多少等等的 |
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那這難道不是違禁品可以讓我們大剌剌的再搜尋搜尋的到那速發部到底有什麼樣的因應作為我們基本上對這種廣告就是剛講這種廣告我們是有一個機制叫RPG是可以把它封網就是說天使解析啦內封網內封網這件事情應該已經討論了因為他是一直自始至終都不合法對所以我們有在在這裡面再做一些剛講搜尋以後衛福部有沒有找你們討論過 |
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委員會主席 |
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結果這一個議題我從未還委員會質詢衛福部長衛福部長說要找速發部討論沒下文教育部長沒下文那到現在速發部長速發部長我請教你說也可以封還我相信技術絕對做得到啊 |
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但是我們不能隨便封就是他們要跟我們講所以不能隨便封那他現在賣的是一個不合法的產品這個產品是在台灣不允許販賣的他就是一個非法的東西甚至為什麼我們講說他相關重要是因為他有可能會搭載毒品然後他可能會引誘青少年吸食止煙啊我們去便利商店買便利商店店員都還要看身份證 |
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電子煙不用因為我網路購買不會檢查身份我寄送到便利商店或到付款我去付款取貨也不會檢查身份那會不會反而是更嚴重對所以我們現在的機制是只要衛福部通知我們哪些網頁要封我們就去封但是封網的決定是來自衛福部部長所以現在這樣又是互推皮球了就是我們的機制因為我們我們蘇花部要有法才能夠去封那問題這個法的 |
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主管機關是在衛福部所以我們不能夠隨便的做決定就封所以還是要有這個有有執法單位來來來要求我們封我們就封我們是有這個機制但是我們不能自己主動好很好來那我請教我們講到現在這樣子我 |
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到目前為止聽起來我是肯定因為數位發展部是有這樣的工具所以有沒有任何人可以回答我過去這段時間我相信我們早晚民進黨國民黨民眾黨大家都有問過啦衛福部有沒有來找我們數位發展部要來做封網衛福部有沒有來找數位發展部討論過應該要讓他下架關於電子煙的問題目前有沒有 |
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委員我大概回應一下那基本上委員垂詢的確實是一個問題那我們已經跟衛福部協調點滴那部分目前為止才有兩個機制一個就是如果是點滴注冊的話我們就把相關資料移給衛福部有衛福部國民健康署去做採取如果沒有這個資料的話我們就把它封掉那另外一個部分的話是平台的部分我們也積極的協調相關平台業者如果有這種電子菸的話也會做儲存 |
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委員會議 |
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拜託委員根據我衛福部的資料Facebook目前的案件是最多跟詐騙一樣5916件拜託委員那個私下網站是307件您是?市院司司長 |
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資源師牛信仁師長牛師長你完全沒有聽懂本席的問題我現在沒有在討論平台我們Google打開現在搜尋你不用任何的技術你不用任何的關鍵字你打電子煙三個字就可以搜尋到洋洋灑灑官方網站做的比誰都精美 |
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那我現在問的是說過去剛剛部長已經講了嘛如果說衛福部因為法院在衛福部主管機關是衛福部如果衛福部要求速發部速發部可以執行封網的動作啊那所以我現在想要問的是那到底過去那麼多時間來是衛福部有要求速發部速發部沒有動作還是衛福部自始至終他身為主管機關就是沒有沒有沒有討論所以才能放任他們持續在那邊販售 |
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委員現在在上次的教育委員會您也垂詢到這問題所以衛福部現在正在召開跨部會的協調會議那也提供請各部會提供資料給衛福部看我們能夠協助什麼那還要多久還要多久衛福部的討論那基本上現在是在比誰放水的比較多是不是還要多久還是給大家最後一段時間趕快喔要封囉清倉大拍賣 |
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部長,我說實在我很實在話講很持平的來說這背後利益有多龐大我都不敢想但是如果說它真的是一個不合法的東西中華民國是個法治的國家我們不應該放任不合法的東西持續的販售 |
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如果說我們所有的部會都不作為你推我我推你其實這件事情我就看得很明顯就是互相的推卸責任衛福部說他沒有技術然後訴發部說我沒有法源然後教育部是說這個其實是社會有關我只要管教校園就好了但是校園裡面他又沒有辦法阻止外面的東西進入到校園你們每一個部會都很重要每一個部會都很大 |
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謝謝侯孟凱委員 |
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接下來邀請鄭正前委員鄭正前委員鄭正前委員鄭正前委員不在現場接下來邀請許智傑委員謝謝主席我們請部長請黃部長 |
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部長好,部長我看了我們的預算裡面就是有對於海嵐站增設有五千多萬那對於我們亞灣2.0新型人才的需求也多編了兩千多萬然後呢我們要吸引國際大廠到我國也編了十幾億沒關係 |
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那大致上就是說我想請教一下上一次那個數位數化部有開會就是說大概一個月之內會訂停出那個計畫嗎?現在大概一個月了?超過了?就是我們本來那個就是11月22號我們會有個會本來是在11月22本來10月底因為颱風所以引到11月22號我會親自主持那個會議在台南在哪裡?在沙崙我們的辦公室沙崙那邀請的對象都決定了嗎? |
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應該都決定了那個包括包括委員的辦公室都要跟那個部長報告一下這個其實我已經跟高雄市政府也提過那個羅副市長他們也覺得有一些興趣那我想就是說是不是整體來講就是說我們這個海嵐站呢 |
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那將來那個地方包括那個有可能是不是有資料中心或者是一些數位那個超級電腦等等的啦那基本上就是說這個規劃我是希望說部長可以規劃比較 |
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整體性的比較整體性的就是說我今天台南站他只是一個入口今天我就是有一個數位港口讓數位進來讓全世界的數位跟資料可以進來這是一個大的概念但是呢進來以後他可能還要連接IDC或者是連接就是高雄有相關的 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算 |
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那現在要做亞灣2.0那亞灣2.0事實上就是說包括我們人才的培育那另外我們數法部還有一個就是國發會會編給我們的就是補助這個AI應用的一些預算那上一次我有提過就是說我們的預算就 |
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一般給民間的公司嘛但是如果他可以取得跟政府機關的合作或者是簽MOU等等的類似這樣子的概念那正好城市發展有需要然後他又能夠配合國家的政策又能配合城市的發展的方向 |
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如果這樣子可以給他們多一點加分的機會的話我想對於城市的規劃跟發展會更完整所以這相關的這一些配套措施不知道我們數發部現在準備的怎麼樣有一些剛剛講委員這個數位港這個我們都非常支持那在11月20號就是把這個會議討論完那剛剛講就是說當然你們這個很重要的一個角色包括高雄市政府 |
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那因為這個東西我們可以規劃設計但後面要有人去維運跟移運那所以這個東西就是我們在22號的時候看怎麼去進行這件事情那你們提前沒有跟市政府有任何的接觸嗎目前還沒有但是就是我們希望就是22號大家有一個至少有一個下一步要做的一些事情那我們希望能夠盡早能拿那個就是說大家能夠同意以後再看怎麼樣進行下一步 |
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我是這樣建議啦就是說我們其實做事情主動跟被動那個差距就很大 |
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那數位發展部這裡就是說基本上你們的職責不是設硬體嘛所以你會覺得說這個好像不是我們數位發展部的業務但是呢這又是數位發展部將來要發展的重要的基礎的建設關鍵的基礎設施所以這個部分我認為說我們數位發展部應該主動一點是不是請市長跟市府那邊聯絡一下 |
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彼此之間溝通一下交流一下意見那也許他想到的話我們想到有彼此沒有想到的地方那如果正好在談的時候就可以先去做一個初步的互相的了解那你這樣子去開會的時候才會有效率要不然去再問啊問一問又沒有準備啊沒有準備到時候又拉倒 |
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那就很可惜所以是不是部長可以跟市長建議一下就是說先做一個那個那叫做先期作業嘛所以你要開會之前先做一個先期作業這個馬上會進行好對不對那讓彼此多一點了解其實數位數位數化部這邊有經費可以協助他們其實地方政府最怕的就是沒有經費啦他們其實人啦意願啦其實都蠻高的但是他們就是最怕就是沒有經費 |
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阿如果這個部分可以讓他們心裡有個底﹖或者是他們在做這個規劃的時候可以瞭解數﹖發布將來整體的這些連接的配套大概是怎麼樣那他要提出這個計畫也比較能夠match我們的計畫嘛對 |
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報告委員就是這裡面還包括我們要再額外去爭取經費因為這個金額跟剛剛講那個是不一樣的工作所以我們會跟高雄市政府討論然後看怎麼去爭取更多經費對所以你看喔那個部長你看我看這個書面我們就看到海嵐站那你又說不是這個經費你懂我意思嗎那我們突然看到你寫的這個預算有關於海嵐站的經費我們就會覺得這很好啊 |
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那你現在又不能使用在這個海嵐站上那他是使用在哪裡委員可能誤會這是海嵐站有海嵐站補助的經費那是數位港剛剛委員我們一直討論是數位港跟高雄市政府這部分的不管是可行性評估還是未來的建置這我們還另外再爭取 |
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| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
對所以我是建議啦就是說市長可以撥個時間先彼此的了解啦你看你這樣子寫恐怕市政委員會看他說欸這個好像可以啊對不對但是你的想法又跟實際上的不一樣那他要寫計畫的時候總是要媚取我們國家的方向這樣子他寫計畫才會跟我們一致嘛那你讓市府跟數位部數發部能夠先有一致的想法 |
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那也許彼此在寫計畫或彼此在規劃這個配套的時候就會更完整嘛好不好好這個沒問題好這個拜託這個是我們非常重大的建設希望說務必要完成啦好雖然不是你們負責的業務但是這個將來跟你們所有的業務都有很重大的相關你今天沒有push這個完成後面很多事情都不能做好所以希望說我們數發部可以主動一點好不好好來把這件事情完成好好謝謝謝謝謝謝委員 |
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15681.625 |
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好謝謝許智傑委員接下來邀請楊瓊英委員楊瓊英委員楊瓊英委員楊瓊英委員不在現場接下來邀請王美惠委員王美惠委員王美惠委員王美惠委員不在現場接下來邀請高金樹梅委員高金樹梅委員高金樹梅委員高金樹梅委員不在現場接下來邀請陳培宇委員 |
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15688.464 |
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15690.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
好謝謝主席那有請部長謝謝請黃部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
15699.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
15717.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
好 謝謝部長 部長武安幾個問題跟您討論第一個其實就是我們在我主要在教育文化委員會那我們非常關心在AI這個時代的發展趨勢底下其實在大學的招生都已經出現了非常多的困難當然這個我們在教育文化委員會要解決可是想要跟您請教其實數發部長期以來都有推動數位T大使 |
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15720.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
15736.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
那這個TDAS的部分呢其實協助了非常多非相關科系的大學畢業生他們投入相關的增能的領域然後進而進入職場然後跟產業有第一線的合作我一直認為這個計畫其實不僅是平衡了所謂科系的發展 |
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15736.957 |
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| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
其實也協助了年輕人他們在離開大學之後還有其他場域的嘗試的可能性但是我目前想要問一下部長您在這個計畫上您接任部長之後您有沒有回去盤點這個計畫有沒有更可以精進的地方或是更可以調整的地方來自於產業的聲音或者是來自過去歷屆數位踢大使他們給你們的回饋你們有做過相關的會議討論嗎 |
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15760.769 |
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15782.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
報告委員那個TDAS的確是一個很好的idea 是是那我們當然希望能夠擴大跟繼續辦理 是那當然這裡面的精進或者是說下一期那個是不是請署長說明一下或者是後續的之前的很多經驗的整理我覺得對於後續的推動非常重要部長沒關係如果 |
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15784.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
15801.037 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
部長這樣好了沒關係如果今天沒有準備相關資料我們後續辦公室會再跟書發部討論好不好因為確實這也是跟我第二個題目有關確實有非常多的中小企業部長你也知道台灣的5人以下的中小企業可能佔全台灣的比例佔80%到90% |
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| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
15819.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
所以在面對AI時代的數位轉型我必須要說我相信部長你也知道其實有很多中小企業現在非常非常的焦慮他們可能在前一個前一波的數位轉型就還來不及跟上那在面對AI這件事情他們可能 |
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15820.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
15850.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
15869.484 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
也就是說我們看到數發部可能有意識到這個人才匱乏的問題所以我們幫產業補足了人力但是說實話這個情況其實越來越嚴重可能我們原本的數位替代大使根本還來不及也不夠那我要拜託數發部可不可以更加積極在協助中小企業面臨這個AI轉型的部分數發部你們的角色會是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].start |
15870.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
15898.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
報告委員我們現在有幾個Program像雲市集雲平台就是幫助中小企業能夠很快的去用一些AI的技術那當然我們還有一些補助案子就是一樣在那人才培育我們也這個有些訓練的Program包括剛剛講就是除了T大使我們有從就從高中一路上去都有這樣來來配合跟像我們有些訓練機構像支撐會這些都有在做這樣的一些人才訓練 |
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15899.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
15924.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
那細節的話是不是請署長再補充好那沒關係部長因為細節齁我時間有限啦齁我的我的是外委會我只有4加1那我想要講其實有更多的細節其實剛剛聽起來可能還有更多跟業界的溝通還是有更多的細節可以調整因為對於業界來說他們尤其是我舉我舉我們最近聽到非常多產業的故事為例喔他們可能是來自過去傳統的所謂工具機產業或者是設備商產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
15928.231 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
15950.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
他們知道要跟上AI他們也都看過那個黃仁勳示範那個機器人手臂啊他們也知道設備跟AI晶片結合絕對是下一個時代趨勢但是不管是資金的匱乏人才的不足或者是相關設備原本就不足他們很多的焦慮那我認為數發部應該有更多積極的角色那怎麼樣跟經濟部跨部會合作真的去聽到產業的困境焦慮跟匱乏 |
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| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
然後由速發部協同經濟部給予更積極的鼓勵跟補助也好人才培訓也好或是透過法人組織透過好的計畫透過好的補助甚至還有業界朋友跟我們建議臺灣有很棒的電腦展對嗎那像去年黃仁軒來還造成轟動 |
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| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
那可是他們看到另外一個困境可能在電腦展上面所有展示這些軟硬的廠商都還不夠了解台灣中小企業的需求台灣有沒有機會創造一個新的平台例如說軟硬體整合都是本土廠商的平台的展然後讓這個展呢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
議員議員議員 |
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這個展我想這個我們再跟經濟部討論那我們市面上在很多展我們有所謂的我們素餐室有些館那我們在館裡面可以看怎麼樣去協助我剛剛講的這個委員講的這些廠商能夠至少在我們這些館能夠有些展示對 |
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16044.1 |
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因為我當然知道這些中小企業絕對主管機關是經濟部啦可是在透過寫就像如同部長您說的你們有設很多的館我相信你們有很多的業務想要推展到第一線更多的基層的產業那這些他們如何聽懂你們想要告訴他們的你們所想要提供的我相信你們已經有準備了但是如何approach到這些人我覺得這個是未來數位部非常重要的工作好嗎 |
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謝謝陳培宇委員 |
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16077.656 |
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登記質詢委員均已發言完畢做以下決定報告及詢答完畢二、委員許智傑所提書面質詢列入記錄並刊登公報委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分請數位發展部盡數以書面答覆 |
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| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
一百一十四年度資通安全署數位產業署單位預算審查報告及詢答完畢令則其進行處理委員預算提案於12月3日星期二中午12點截止收件本次會議到此結束現在散會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。 |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
| IVOD_ID |
16257 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16257 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-23-9 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-13T08:31:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-13T12:59:00+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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