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| 會議時間 |
2024-11-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請農業部部長就「我國動物保護政策執行概況，及動物保護法修法規劃內容與進程」進行報告，並備質詢。
二、審查：
(一) 本院委員林宜瑾等22人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
(二) 本院委員呂玉玲等16人擬具「動物保護法第十條條文修正草案」案。
(三) 本院委員呂玉玲等16人擬具「動物保護法第二十五條及第二十五條之一條文修正草案」案。
(四) 本院委員張智倫等16人擬具「動物保護法第十條條文修正草案」案。
(五) 本院委員劉建國等16人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
(六) 本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「動物保護法第二十五條之二條文修正草案」案。
(七) 本院委員林岱樺等21人擬具「動物保護法第十四條之一、第十四條之二及第三十條條文修正草案」案。
(八) 本院委員徐巧芯等17人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
(九) 本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「動物保護法第二條及第十條條文修正草案」案。
(十) 本院委員李坤城等22人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
(十一)本院委員廖先翔等19人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
(十二)本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」案。(詢答)
(第十一及第十二案如經復議，則不予審查)） |
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15914 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程。 |
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1138.473 |
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1141.337 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程。 |
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1369.019 |
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1370.23 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程。 |
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1772.039 |
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1773.726 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程。 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
1862.233 |
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1879.607 |
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我們現在請主秘報告出席人數報告全體會出席委員以主法定人數現在開會進行報告事項請宣讀上次會議議事錄立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議議事錄時間113年11月7號星期四9時至11時58分地點紅樓101會議室出席委員林代化委員等14人列席委員洪孟凱委員等18人 |
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1891.877 |
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1908.466 |
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立席人員國發會副主委高仙貴經濟部部長顧志輝農業部長次杜汶政外交部政次吳志忠大陸委員會副主委李麗珍經貿談判副總談判代表嚴慧心計個單位相關人員主席邱昭集委智偉 |
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1909.306 |
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1927.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
報告事項一、選舉上會議事錄決定確定二、邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、經濟部部長、農業部部長、行政院經貿談判辦公室首長、外交部首長、大陸委員會首長就我國當前經貿情勢分析及如何有效拓展國際經貿空間戰略規劃之相關政策作為 |
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1931.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
1947.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
及申請加入TPP進度說明成員國立場分析與跨部會推動機制進行報告並備質詢。國發會高副主委、經濟部郭部長、外交部吳政次、農業部杜長次、經貿談判室 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
1949.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
1957.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容。 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
1972.594 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
2000.445 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
委員張家俊、林德福、邱志偉、陳冠廷、蔡玉瑜、賴會員、林倩啟及黃建斌所提書面質詢列入進入刊登公報。三、書面質詢和未及答覆部分請相關單位一週內書面答覆並複製本會、散會。宣讀完畢。好。我們請問在場的委員我們上次的議事錄有無錯誤?好。沒有。我們議事錄確定。 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
2003.536 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
2004.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
我們繼續進行報告事項及討論事項一併宣讀。 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
2009.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2026.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
第二十五條及第二十五條之一條文修正草案案。Reporter 李玉玲等人擬具動物保護法第12條條文修正草案案。Reporter 李玉玲等人擬具動物保護法第25條及第25條之一條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
2041.47 |
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2053.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
第10條條文修正草案．案五、委員盧建國等人擬具動物保護法部分條文修正草案案六、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具動物保護法第25條之二條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
2054.528 |
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2080.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
第14條之一、第14條之二及第30條條文修正草案案。八、委員徐巧欣等人擬具動物保護法部分條文修正草案案。九、委員鄭天才等人擬具動物保護法第二條及第10條條文修正草案案。十、委員林坤澄等人擬具動物保護法部分條文修正草案案。十一、委員廖先祥等人擬具動物保護法部分條文修正草案案。十二、委員林坤澄等人擬具動物保護法部分條文修正草案案。十一、委員廖先祥等人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
2082.583 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2090.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
部分條文修正草案案十二本院臺灣民眾黨黨團擬具動物保護法部分條文修正草案案今日詢答宣讀完畢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
2095.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2119.769 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
本日議程排定我國動物保護政策及執行的概況及動物保護法的修法規劃內容跟進程以及動物保護法部分條文修正草案那我們首先先介紹在場的委員林代化委員鄭天才委員徐曉新委員還有我們來介紹我們列席的機關首長農業部的陳俊記部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
2124.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2142.777 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
動物保護司江文泉施長、訓務司李怡謙施長、法治處專門委員吳兆明委員、動植物防疫檢疫署署長邱垂章署長、 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
2144.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2150.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2169.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2195.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
環境部的資源循環署專門委員秋俊雄委員教育部的資訊及科技教育師專門委員廖雙慶委員國民及學前教育署學安組的專門委員薛承佑委員法務部參事林豐文參事國家科學及技術委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2197.782 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2212.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
生命科學研究發展處副處長途鈞怡副處長國家實驗研究院國家實驗動物中心秦賢進主任現在我們依序請委員做提案的說明我們先請鄭天才委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2229.111 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2229.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2251.488 |
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2272.959 |
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首先是為了要針對這個進一步深化動物保護還有尊重生命的這個概念並且我們希望能夠跟國際動物保護的標準來接軌所以提出了動保法的部分條文進行修正那主要的目的是希望加強對動物的保護填補現行法制當中的不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2273.439 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2274.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2292.604 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2319.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
以各種經濟目的而飼養或管領之動物但是並沒有談到繁殖這個部分所以在繁殖的部分我們也希望能夠一起納入管理再來是第10條的部分關於對於動物不得有以下的行為在現行的法條裡面在第10條的第三款這裡他寫到說以直接間接賭博或不當目的有虐待動物的相關情勢 |
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2321.218 |
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2338.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
可是我們知道現在在我們的動物保護的部分尤其關於民眾的期待他並不是只是虐待動物那或者是進行動物交換或贈與還包含娛樂遊戲營業或宣傳其實到現在也有一些新興的產業他透過動物的 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2341.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2344.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2359.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2385.109 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
文化休閒比如說釣魚的話那這個我想不在所謂的這個娛樂遊戲營業宣傳當中那主要他還是這個包含比較不當的目的進行動物的交換或是贈與喔那但是呢像很多一些比如說撈魚的遊戲啊等等這一類的我們都希望在這個法令上面能夠有進一步的這個修正再來呢 |
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2386.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2408.101 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
第12條的部分關於因科學目的的這個相關宰殺我們可以看到原本是只有因科學應用目的那我們也希望說科學應用目的之外有實驗動物照護或是委員經小組審查的同意那為我們的實驗動物也能夠多一層的保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2410.524 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2426.321 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
關於實驗動物的部分我們在未來因為包含開過幾次公聽會那各方的討論之後也預計會有新的修正動議希望能夠在我們的實驗科學上面跟動物保護上面能夠找出一個平衡點 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2427.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2427.802 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2443.007 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2466.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
其實其實都有很多在捕獵的時候產生那讓很多的動物產生斷腳跟斷手的這個狀況那其實對他們的生命來說是一種折磨那像先前才有新聞剛報導過就是有我們在山中的動物也是踩到了這個金屬材質的彈簧蓄壓式套索陷阱那就斷了一隻腳這樣子的問題其實一直都是有在出現的 |
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2472.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2486.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
所以我們希望呢這個可以能夠來處理那14條之二的部分是把金屬材質的彈簧蓄壓式套壓陷阱這個部分呢包含是如果這個所謂的陷阱他是不符合我們主管機關規定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2487.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2490.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2507.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2522.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
可我們只要在網路包含蝦皮上面都還是能夠買到便宜而且對於動物具備殺傷性的這些套索所以我們也希望在第15條之一能夠再行的一些有一些新的 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2524.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2551.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
法律上能夠來修正。第16條的部分關於實驗動物我們會再提出修正動議就像我剛剛提到的希望能夠符合我們的科學研究以及包含我們的動物保護所以我們希望全面禁止這些金屬材質的彈簧套所陷阱也禁止相關工具的製造販售持有 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2552.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2571.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
針對特定寵物的繁殖買賣也需要來自合法的來源並且要進行晶片的植入跟登記有助於追蹤寵物的來源也能減少偷渡跟非法繁殖的問題那這次的修法除了深化我國的動物保護概念也是希望能夠跟世界接軌將現行過於簡略 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2572.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2597.834 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
以及有疏漏的動保法能夠更加的縝密,為動物創造更加友善的尊嚴的生活環境,也希望院板能夠儘速的提出與討論。感謝。好,我們接下來請林宜玲委員一併說明兩項提案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2608.326 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2634.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
有關動保法的修法草案本席有兩個提案第一個就是動物保護法的第10條有鑒於動物保護的議題已經日成為我們國際社會的普世價值而我們國內的動物的動保的意識提升但是以動物作為交換及贈予的這個經濟行為意識越來越嚴重的在危害這動物的生命權所以臺灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2636.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2642.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
各地的夜市像市場跟園遊會的各種場域常常有的小動物作為付費遊戲的贈品的慣例像有大量的鼠、兔、魚跟鳥類的兩棲類還有爬蟲類等各種的飛犬貓科的這個動物被視為遊戲的贈品隨意的這個贈餘除了在現場的環境不佳遊戲的過程不人道 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2662.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2678.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
公會造成了這個動物的傷害後續更會衍生這飼養不當及棄養的問題同時會惡意傷害到動物致死的世界是時有所聞的也會引起這個整個社會的公憤所以先行的動物保護法的第10條第三款 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2680.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2692.242 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
雖然有明定對動物不得有的行為包含的就是以直接或是間接賭博或是其他不當的目的而有的虐待動物的情勢進行動物的交換或是贈與可是 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
2695.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2714.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
有關遊戲與娛樂難以被歸納成賭博或不當的目的。只要是稽查當下沒有發現有明顯的虐待動物的狀況,往往是難以落實到動物的保護。所以要提案修正條文第10條,無論是否涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
2714.739 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2715.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
2730.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2733.041 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
2753.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2782.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
二指這個類似的事情那難以達成動物保護的目的所以有提高刑責罰金的這個必要另外就是有法規規定說定罪前提是以複數動物死亡為要件所以要刪除此前提並徵定暴力或施以其他理念的方式都應該予以重罰以嚇阻虐待動物之行徑一再發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
2786.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2814.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
好,我們現在請林代化委員提案說明。好,本席針對動物保護法提案第14條之一跟14條之二跟第14條跟第30條除非是全面禁止我們不受獎含金屬材質之彈簧蓄壓式套索陷阱 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
2815.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2841.017 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
全面禁止這邊就是俗稱的山豬吊因為這樣的一個山豬吊物傷動物的事件層出不窮讓動物承受不必要的痛苦所以呢在加強管制明文禁止其使用山豬吊製造販賣陳列持有或廣告交絕輸出入而且也把網際網路平台都限制山豬吊的瀏覽 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
2841.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2868.11 |
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提出這樣刪除掉的違法管頁的義務。這個明定在這個時事條之一跟時事條之二。那對於我們目前現行的動物保護法雖然有禁止售假的使用、製造、販賣或輸出入多年但就是針對刪除掉這件事情只有用公告禁止使用的行政處分而為了明文立法禁止 |
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2881.364 |
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這個製造販賣陳列廣告教學或輸出路最為防堵漏洞增列了禁止連持有都不可有這個也是這本席的提案只有刪輸掉這個也是這個納入規範內好以上謝謝 |
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2893.437 |
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現在請農業部陳部長就報告事項及各委員提案進行報告。 |
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稍為還有我們各位委員各位女士各位先生大家早那今天本人就奉邀到大院經濟委員會來報告我國動物保護業務執行概況及動物保護法修法的規劃內容與進程 |
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2942.642 |
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在報告之前我想還是再度感謝所有的委員過去對農業的一個支持以下就用簡報的方式跟各位說明我們現在動物保護的業務跟未來修法的一個方向大概分五個部分請參閱 |
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其實在87年動物保護法實施以後就一直陸續的就在政府單位在持續的一個推動那去年8月我們成立了動保師以外真正的更聚焦在整個動物保護的業務那整個動物保護的業務大概分為四個面向包括整個動物保護的一個行政然後怎麼樣去建構友善的動物的社會那另外並針對整個 |
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重物的一生怎麼樣去落實他的一個照護的一個工作那最後就是說把我們的動物保護一定要跟國際同步的一個接軌 |
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3013.959 |
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那針對動物保護業務的寵物管理的部分就正如剛才委員有提到的就是我們對於寵物的照顧絕對不是一個時間點而已我們一定是從牠的出生到死亡做一個全面的照顧那包括從出生的部分的時候包括上游的寵物的買賣繁殖到整個的一個生育期間裡面我們所必須要處理的就是有關於寵物的食品然後寵物的用品 |
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還有新興的一些寵物的美容、寄養還有訓練保險。這個部分大概都在寵物的一生裡面。大概生育期裡面最重要的相關的業務。至於在另外一類的就是非寵物類的就是一些展演動物的話我想我們也必須適度的做一些規範。 |
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3041.585 |
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規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動 |
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3061.94 |
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3076.136 |
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分類分級的一個管理的部分然後我們也推動了寵物的一個身分證那特別是強化國人所關注的有關於寵物食品安全的部分那寵物的食品安全後來我們決定變成一個專法因為在動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
3076.817 |
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3078.378 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程 |
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3094.284 |
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3116.893 |
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也已經預告。另一個部分就是全面推動寵物的事業的輔導與管理,特別是針對強化寵物繁殖買賣的一個溯源跟流向的管理,然後訂定相關的一個定型化的一個契約的部分。在113年度我們也預告了就是貓的部分我們希望說應該辦理一個登記,因為所有的管理的部分如果沒有 |
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在登記的一個前提之下那後續如果走私到外地的時候就很難去做一個管理另外我們也針對三大比較重要的犬、貓及小型的哺乳類我們也訂定了飼養跟照護的一個指南我們希望都透過照護的指南能夠讓飼主有一個比較好的一個飼養的跟這些寵物的一個互動 |
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同樣的我們在9月5號也剛才也說了我們已經預告了整個寵物食品的一個專法的部分然後也預告了修正寵物食品病原為生物與有害健康植物這些安全容許量的一個標準那這些修訂都是針對近期發生的一些寵物食品的一些可能的一些問題來產生的然後第二個部分是針對友善動物利用的部分 |
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除了寵物以外其實動物還有經濟動物還有展演動物所以我們在動物現在的動物保護業務裡面其實我們也針對這些動物展演的管理我們在今年的7月29號發布了動物展演的一個管理辦法然後很明定的動物展演的飼養管理的一個指南你所有的展演動物必須根據相關的管理指南才能夠 |
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3217.982 |
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當作一個很好的依詢。那針對動物的實驗的部分,那動物的實驗其實包括農業部包括國科會還有包括教育部相關的學員單位對這個部分都蠻重視的就是整個動物實驗他一定要符合三個原則就是3R的原則就是取代減量跟精緻化就是說能夠用 |
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3218.962 |
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3221.564 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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也會去查核相關能夠從事動物實驗的這些機關去確認它是不是符合上海的原則那最後一部分就是友善畜牧飼養的部分就是剛才也有委員說到其實動物也包含了經濟動物那經濟動物當然是為人類的食用所目的而飼養的但是在飼養的過程中我們也希望說有更好的一個飼養的一個指南能夠讓動物在飼養的過程中能夠得到一個比較友善的一個管理 |
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3271.399 |
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3272.68 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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3300.899 |
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3304.221 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
3325.196 |
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3328.857 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃 |
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3350.984 |
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3352.587 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
3367.129 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
3393.79 |
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設計一個所謂的衛星的一個認養認養的中繼站的概念來達到經過收容以後再再度被認養的一個觀念然後透過這四個推動策略我們未來我想我們還是會去強調現在目前所遭遇到人犬衝突跟還有犬隻跟野生動物的一個衝突的高風險熱區的這些防範那接下來我想第二個部分要跟各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
3394.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
3412.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
規劃內容及動物保護法修法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內 |
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3424.44 |
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3443.626 |
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修正草案提出來以後其實我們獲得外界的非常非常多的不同的意見那這個不同的意見我想我們收集了以後那有些意見是有一些想法是大家都有共識的但是有一些想法有一些主張是 |
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3444.426 |
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3461.029 |
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有很大的一個分歧的部分那後來我們在內部就討論了然後包括我們在第一屆的在113年2月2號的時候就在那個第一次的動物保護之一委員會裡面去做討論那最後有一個共識就是 |
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3486.461 |
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當我們收集到外面的這些條次還有主張如果有共識的我們就先來推那如果說還是有正義的時候我們就先擱置一邊我們繼續做溝通而不是不處理繼續做溝通那這樣的話也才能夠讓我們的版本能夠繼續往前走那在這樣的一個情況之下我想我們在113年4月16以後我們就進到相關的法制作業 |
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3487.601 |
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3513.273 |
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含有我們在部裡面經過了三次的一個法規會的一個審查那我們在今年的8月16號已經正式的合轉立法就是已經報請行政院合轉立法院審議那在行政院的過程中他要經過審查那在9月30號也經過第一次的一個召開相關的會選會去了解整個的動物保護法的相關的內涵那預計在11月下旬會增 |
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3514.514 |
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3531.803 |
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部分條文修正草案 正式針對行政院正式針對動物保護法的這些部分修正條文草案做相關的確認那確認完了以後我們是預計希望說能夠在12月的時候能夠送進到立法院能夠並召會所主持的這樣的一個審查一起來討論這樣的話會讓整個的法條會比較周延 |
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3535.865 |
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3550.739 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
整個我們動保法的一個新修法的這個修法的一個規劃裡面大概有分為五個面向那最重要還是要去加強事主的責任跟他的動物收容的一個管理那同時我們也會強化動物的保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
3552.961 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
3554.842 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
3578.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
3581.191 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案． |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
3597.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
3598.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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3627.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
3648.502 |
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具有共識性的部分,就是在委員裡面提到就是說納管非以營利為目的飼養全貓達到一定規模的大量飼養戶。那在部裡的立場我想基本上我們要明確棄養動物的一個構成要件並建構我國寵物分類分級的一個管理制度。那整個相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
3649.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
3652.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
3666.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
3695.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
非以營利為目的飼養貓犬達到一定規模的大量飼養者。我想我們必須要考慮到現在既有的民間的狗場的一些衝擊。其實我們蠻擔心的這些民間的狗場如果做就是沒有一個過渡期直接去做納管的時候可能會造成一些棄養更多的一個棄養潮因為當你的狗場進入納養的時候相對的它的承載量都有一定的規範那我們希望說 |
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3696.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
3704.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
這個部分可以再做逐步的溝通讓民間的管場逐步的符合我們的規範以後我們再把它政治的一個納管 |
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3705.286 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
3724.886 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
第二部分是針對動物收容管理的部分委員提案的重點包括了針對動物收容所具有長期照護私能動物的法定義務並也針對中央及地方執行動物救援的法定義務這兩條是比較重要的 |
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3726.568 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
3747.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
本部的立場就是其實自從林菩薩政策以來對於這些已經失能的就是說所謂的根委員所說的長期照顧失能的這些動物我們會解除這個收容所的常採的壓力我們可以實施人道的一個安樂死來維持整個動物收容的一個 |
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3749.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
3752.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規 |
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3764.531 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
3782.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
我想大方向是我們是覺得說應該去做的但是在考慮到整個後端的收容量的問題還有相關的這些遊蕩犬的管理會有一些相關的一個一個競合的一個影響那這個部分也請委員做考量 |
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3782.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
3805.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
第二部分是針對有關於中央地方救援的法定義務的部分那其實現在目前如果說遇到有一些通報的部分我想各地的農業局的部分跟相關的動保單位都會在第一時間去協助來處理那如果放到法裡面去當法定的業務的話那相關的依法就必須要成立24小時的專線電話然後執行緊急診療驗傷採證的一系列的標準的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
3812.102 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
3813.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
3837.484 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
3852.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
第三個部分是有關於動物保護環境面的部分委員的提案大部分是擴大禁止基於經濟目的以動物交換或贈予的行為樣態包括剛才徐老師、徐委員所提到的一些 |
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3853.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
3857.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
有關於娛樂的部分我們建議是有一些相關的但書的一個規定因為在娛樂的部分我們在預告的時候有非常非常多的 |
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3877.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
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規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規 |
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其他不受禁止的這些條件的話也許可以在但書裡面去做一個規範 |
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規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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有非常多的農作物受到一些野生動物的這些侵擾的部分所以這個金屬那個山豬掉的部分我們是希望還維持但是我們在法院裡面有一個授權中央主管機關公告那他的意思就是說當我們的金屬改良式的金屬套座達到一定一定的普及化的時候那我們用公告的方式來做一個禁止 |
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委員另外也針對動物保護環境裡面提到了有關於網路附有限制瀏覽或移除違反法規的相關的規定。這個部分跟我們抱怨的版本是相符的。我們表示尊重並給予同意支持的一個立場。 |
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條文修正草案：提到的就是我們應該加強我們動物實驗的科學管理的部分那就正如剛才我說的我們現在針對實驗動物的3R的部分包括減量替代跟精緻化這個部分那這個部分我想在兩三年前我們已經從事跨部會的合作的部分已經在做了所以我們在這個部分就是已經在做的這個過程中 |
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規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動 |
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在這一點的部分我們是建議就是能夠尋求更多的共識特別是針對學研單位在從事醫藥開發的需要動物實驗的這些單位我們做一個比較好的一個溝通再來處理那在還沒有處理之前我想我們還是會透過現在目前我們三拿的政策去做有效的一個管理跟它的一個精緻化 |
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這個部分是在寵物產業管理的部分那剛才也說到了我們針對寵物的業者應該設置專業的人員而且要有在職的訓練然後同時我們會加強繁殖買賣特定寵物的源頭管理的部分那這個部分跟我們抱怨的版本是相符的所以我們也表示尊重並支持這樣的一個修法 |
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有關於寵物食品安全的部分剛才也說了寵物食品的部分有非常委員一直在爭取在關注所以我們特別把寵物食品當作一個專法它不是納到動保法裡面去處理用專法的方式那專法已經在9月15號9月5號已經預告了那後續我想寵物食品的管理法的部分我想我們留在那個專法裡面再來做一個處理 |
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有關於動檢員的部分相關的擴大動物保護檢察員的行政調查的權能跟他可以在特定的條件之下進到私領域做一個強制的一個措施與本部抱怨的版本是相同的我們表示尊重也支持 |
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有關於嚇阻虐待動物的部分。相關的嚇阻虐待部分,特別是有委員提到,就是致其肢體嚴重殘屬,或者是重要器官喪失行為的行徒,要做一些行徒的一個加強的部分。本部原則上是尊重跟支持,但是因為牽涉到 |
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有關於刑法的部分有關於刑法的這些橫平性的部分我們是建議應該還要與法務部或是司法單位的一個意見就是他的一個刑度跟他的橫平性跟其他法的相關的橫平性我們是做這樣的一個建議 |
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那有關於走私的部分被銷毀的形式規範的部分那我們基本上因為整個的一個走私不只是動物而已還有其他的東西的部分那我們還是建議說這樣子的一個走私的一個形式的處罰的規定我們是建議回歸到走私的相關的作用法 |
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像海關的氣質條例、城市走私的案來管理才不會造成就是一罪由不同的法律來做相關的一個處理。這是有關於嚇阻虐待動物的部分。那有關於另外就是 |
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綠帶傷害動物的行為人的部分那委員也有版本建議說必須經過衛生主管機關評估有沒有必要必要的時候法院的命令這些行為人接受認知教育跟心理輔導的部分那這個部分我想因為涉及人的部分涉及人的心理治療跟專業還有心理矯正的實務執行的部分那我們是建議這個部分可能必須要跟衛務部 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文 |
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最後我想再次感謝我們的委員提供了這麼多的版本這麼多的版本我們也經過了分析大部分的版本都跟我們抱怨的版本是一致的我們都一起努力有一部分是有業爭議的我們也提出來有業爭議可能必須洽詢其他的部會來參考意見有一些爭議的我們也建議說我們可以在實務面做先行的這些處理然後到整個的實際成熟以後再正式納入法規也希望 |
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這樣的一個動物保護法在未來我們行政院版本送到立法院以後能夠並案來一個審查。以上報告。好。 |
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經濟部跟內政部及國家科學及技術委員會的書面報告,請委員自行參閱並刊登公報。今天的議程有兩案,我們合併詢答。在委員詢答前本席先做以下的宣告。本會委員是5加1分鐘,非本會委員4分鐘,在上午10點30分鐘截止發言登記。我們請林代化委員諮詢。要請部長。請陳部長。 |
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部長,我聽了你的簡報。從你的簡報的到整個我看了,很認真聽。到你第九頁之前,我覺得叫做了無新意。 |
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沒有進步性、沒有前瞻性、沒有動物福利都是假的你看你的第三頁你在講到說動物保護業務執行項目的願景跟重要完善動物保護行政體系你這邊有提到提升收容動物保護品質那這些的動物有沒有要輸血的必要性呢 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃 |
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規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規 |
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規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃 |
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你也沒有納入啊你說你們的法案當中的這個有加強事主責任動檢員的執法賦權提升動物收容強化保護精進寵物產業你又講到捐輸血他們都不需要捐輸血嗎那你知不知職犬貓非營利雪庫 |
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你支不支持?簡單回答我。支持或不支持?我跟委員做兩個說明有關於像動物的像寵物的相關的這個血庫的部分他是在執行面的一個問題我們今天處理的是一個動保法最上位的法規我現在是針對你的業務報告跟你的法規當中有沒有納入 |
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你可以在選一當中單獨立法我也支持我也強力支持你要在動物保護法當中你要稍微提是你要去納入我也沒意見至少你的業務的本頁你從第一頁到第你的簡報到第六頁都在講你到第五頁都在講你整個動物保護的業務跟法 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程 |
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公然在這個執行會當中說謊我在執行來 |
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二月二十七號我總質詢陳建仁院長是生意背景他完全理解我在講什麼他也覺得這個重要而且還請你們農業部三個月內提出公益血庫的規劃方案建立完善侵血政策及管理好四月十一號在經濟委員會當中我也提出質詢也把我的構想再講一次給你們農業部聽在犬貓血庫管理總部 |
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與軍輸血液推廣平台不是只有完善學校的硬體設施你們現在做的就這樣好我說你在明明你就在在在說謊你說你哪有支持水火你們開了第三次會好這第三次會誰來參加學者專家啊獸醫師公會再來兩個兩個業者專門在提供啊這個血這個腫貓腫腫貓腫腫腫腫腫腫腫的兩個業者來 |
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其他就沒有了。好,那講什麼呢?帶你們建議國內現在已有犬貓血液保存及供應據點不令見實體的血庫以建制供血呢這個犬貓資訊媒合平台整合國內供血網路 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條 |
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你部長根本不重視你們這個業務是動保師師長在處理還是房間署署長上來根本就沒有重視你部長不重視署長也不重視你們那個副組長從我們高雄上來的我問他他一問三不知 |
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所以你還說你支持工藝雪庫你知道嗎?我告訴你 我跟你們報告喔針對這個雪庫的部分我開了不下五次的會議但是裡面因為人的雪庫跟動物的雪庫第一個雪的品質跟穩定這個一定要先確保好啦我們這樣你支持我再給你一次機會你支不支持動 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃 |
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之後他換個名字去年8月25號再爆出他改個名字叫心態然後也是超抽血拳牟利你們有管嗎? |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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雪原的檢疫雪原的保存你光是商業的部分你都沒有商業部分也沒有你的這個是白紙黑字喔你商業部分主責然後誰要去媒合是你是你房錢房錢我跟委員報告齁就是現在目前的雪原的部分供雪的品質是一個好那再來我再戳破你動物接觸雪爭議不斷部長你看新聞 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案。 |
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這件事情在國內當中沒有一個立委在質詢啊你也沒有立委在關心啊但也不是我厲害我這個立委沒做厲害是人民向我陳情是因為有事主在我的臉書上留言 |
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所以我接受民意的陳情下去追之後才知道你知道法治局我就好那法治局有沒有這個相關的報告有啊107年法治局就做出報告了他說我們沒有法源啊現況也是混亂啊這所以也不是我講民意也講立法院的法治107年就做出報告有沒有動物血液公益平台的必要性有 |
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規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規 |
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工業部務必建立非營利雪庫的雪貓雪庫以糧幣取足劣幣,讓市主選擇健康安全的動物血液來源並落實動物保護。第二個,針對現有市場的這個商業機制提出具體的管理辦法所以在這邊請你們立刻 |
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提出犬貓非營利雪庫及平台完整的規劃方案。從我這個陳建仁院長到現在也至少快9個月以上了那你們一定要北中南雪庫的據點具體規劃以及第二個現有市場的商業機制請你農業部提出具體的管理方案這樣是一週內給本席可以嗎? |
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我跟委員報告齁 |
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現在有領有你們農業部暫時的農委會捐助的屏東科大。他是你們支持的耶。結果你們把他放在一邊。回答我的具體要求啦。回答我的具體要求啦。一個禮拜待會是嗎? |
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我們可以提供一個禮拜可以提供將近一年了沒有作為說叫做動物保護說叫做動物福利你這邊講的全部都是過往動物保護科在做的然後你的這個署長完全無作為這個提案那麼久了 |
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然後針對非營利的雪庫跟現有的商業機制完全沒法源沒裁罰然後呢讓雇主讓我們的事主就這個白白的花那些的大把的錢結果得到的是我的寵物我的遊蕩犬的捐輸權益動物福利也沒有一個禮拜提供相關的我的這個具體要求可以嗎可以我把我們現在的進度可以跟委員報告 |
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那你這邊在講明喔你是要建立非營利非全顧平台我支持你的雙軌因為就現有的商業機制你也得處理它現在是雙軌我是支持的但是這兩個你都做不好第一個是沒有做第一個是管不好好一個禮拜可以嗎對我剛才說我們一個禮拜會提供我們現在目前的規劃的進度給你好請陳部長到我們林委員辦公室去說明 |
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好請賴瑞龍委員質詢好謝謝召委請陳部長請陳部長部長今天談動物寵物的問題那我先請教一下綠葉蜥原先也是寵物但最現在它因為整個棄養的問題甚至於整個繁衍的問題其實造成了中南部很大的一個困擾 |
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幾乎我看今年度各包括高雄、嘉義、台南、屏東都大量遇到這樣問題那對於農作物的影響相當的大那我看到今年幾乎已經到目前為止我看幾乎抓了3萬隻了那先問一下部長有沒有掌握全台大概多少數量 |
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我們現在全台的數量就是還沒有辦法很精準的掌握但是我們出估了總要出估你總要出估才有辦法去預測未來怎麼樣去解決這個問題嗎我們的估計基本上大概現在是現在我們捕捉量的將近三倍所以大概將近十萬隻 |
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5157.316 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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5190.795 |
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我覺得相當嚴重他對於農作物而且如果更大型的話但他不會主動去但是他大型的時候他事實上對人其實會產生一些驚擾的對驚擾他大這麼大型的一個而且他的蘇南怪三年就成熟然後一年 |
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有機會30顆到80顆蛋所以它的成長速度會非常非常的快你看我們從幾年前到現在已經增長成這樣那現在靠地方政府每次這樣抓抓抓我看屏東的部分原來變200萬不夠再追加第二預備金追加100萬我看光現在今年的3萬隻大概就要花掉600萬的經費部長有沒有更好的方式來協助地方政府來統籌因為 |
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5218.938 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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這個大概會很難處理。部長那個農業部的解方是什麼?我想第一個部分就是我們會當然一定要有經費去支持這個部分我想我們會來處理那第二個部分就是我們也在開始思考跟地方政府合作就是增加用槍枝移植的一個可能性 |
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5260.081 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃 |
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部長,我認為要一鼓作氣的一次把他的那個數量跟族群一次的控制住啦,不然你20、30、40、50這樣子擴展出去,那個只會越來嚴重,越來難以防、那如果你有效的有一次的經費,也基本比較多一點點經費一次有效的跟縣市政府合作,然後因為他都在西邊河邊嘛,有效的控制算,如果你控制把它控制回到5萬隻、3萬隻的話,你就比較好去嚇阻住他的傷害。 |
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5313.278 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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5337.884 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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這個困擾一定會越來越嚴重,阿這個會形成農業部最後的一個大問題。好,謝謝委員提醒,我想我會後一定會成立一個專業小組去處理。成立一個小組好不好,成立一個小組,跨部會間的,跨局處間的小組,跨縣市間的小組,然後用專案的方式,那用一筆經費,比較大的一筆經費,一口氣把它做一個有效的控制住它的數量好不好。 |
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5379.297 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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現在高麗菜我看早上我看了一下還有一百多塊就是市場價格很好那高麗菜價好當然大家就搶中特別是冬天要到了那農業部也一直預警這個接下來已經到了紅色甚至是到了紫色的提醒這很嚴重了啦不要到了到時候又是這個對賤賣甚至於要除根等等的 |
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部長會不會又走成這樣的地步?我跟委員報告就是我們高麗菜已經針對它的育鳥數量還有包括空拍的方式去有一個監測系統那我們現在會針對每一群會發布警報的部分然後也告訴農民你已經超種了你再種下去然後第二個部分就是過往很多超種的都是等待政府因為量多我就去去耕除 |
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5449.961 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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就是要不然這樣問題永遠變成反正我大量搶種啊如果價格好我賣就獲利嘛那搶種啊不好價格不好就是耕儲反正我還這個一公頃7萬這樣來收那這樣的結果變成完全就失去不是把國家的最大的資源花在最大的效益上 |
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5497.914 |
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對,所以我在這邊具體的承諾就是說應該是我們的政策啦我們不會再針對高麗菜如果經過我們的提醒它還繼續種造成爆量的時候價格崩盤的時候我們農業部絕對不會用耕除的補助方式去處理 |
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5500.395 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規 |
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最後一個我問一下,操司大家一直在講操司的問題。操司部長你跟陳其聰前部長跟林聰前部長都被去問過了嗎?有沒有任何問題?我跟委員報告我被那個政察官約談是以被告的身份去約談的。那被告的理由是因為在去年在我擔任代理部長的期間我接續處理雞蛋的問題的時候有被 |
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5558.449 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規 |
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5584.236 |
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5605.021 |
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檢察院常常對各部會有很多的糾正但是我要講的是在政策上面有沒有涉及到貪腐有沒有涉及到違法的部分我所知道是沒有對我個人來講絕對坦蕩蕩所以部長你的部分是沒有那農業部的部分有沒有我以我的認知的了解是沒有的那我要再問最後一個 |
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5634.96 |
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基蛋在缺蛋的時候大家要求連蛋都買不到的時候要求要想辦法弄蛋來所以農業部想辦法用金融法只要能夠找得到蛋來用合法的方式引進來台灣結果大家吃到蛋了現在等到又開始要追問就是說你為什麼當時買這麼多蛋甚至圖利我覺得這個部分兩個政策之間是出現一些問題的就是說沒有蛋的時候毛起來罵你你連蛋都吃不到你農業部在幹什麼 |
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5635.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
5635.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
5657.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
5660.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
5683.474 |
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5703.172 |
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在做一些操作跟撥動啦但當然不是很明顯這個請部長還是要持力努力去做處理好不好對我們還是會持力去處理這個部分請問兩個問題我們克服之後然後總計我們進來當然彈量多了啦但是那我最後一個問一個啦那未來還會走這個進口彈這樣的一個路線嗎當缺彈的時候未來如果真的缺彈的話我們是用 |
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5706.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
5732.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
5755.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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5762.799 |
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5783.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
林宜玲等22人擬具:「動物保護法部分條文修正草案案 案件 〈一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九 |
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那我們之前也說過了提高公糧的價格的時候會有一些影響但是我們也會尊重整個主決議的部分針對公糧的收購價格在7月16號的這個主決議的精神之下我們去處理它的一個配套的措施你的配套要達到我們那一天大家有共識的每公斤調高五塊錢 |
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5809.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
5811.782 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
本院委員林宜玲等16人擬具:「動物保護法部分條文修正草案：及動物保護法規劃內容與進程：及動物保護法規劃內容與進程：及動物保護法規劃 |
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5838.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
5843.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
本院委員林宜玲等16人擬具:「動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案。 |
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5864.81 |
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5891.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
公糧收購都沒調嘛那天我特別問你啊那你自己當公務員你都已經調了五百嘛對不對你那天還回嗆我喔我說如果農民這次你公糧收購你沒有調我說你就沒有資格調薪了因為身為農業部長連農民都照顧不好對不對你後來回嗆我一句話你說我不調薪你就不調對不對那我現在公開宣布我不調薪嘛那如果後來一定要調我們把這個錢捐出去 |
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5892.887 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
5921.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
所以你是不是也要捐出來我告訴你我捐不捐我不需要公開不要公開你都嗆我說不要調了你還不公開我告訴你我要捐一個對象我覺得不會公開我要捐東西要捐到需要的地方跟需要的人我在沒有當部長之前我每一年我都有去捐錢捐到相關的社福單位所以我不需要再用高調的方式去處理這個捐的事情 |
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5923.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
5948.086 |
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重點是你有沒有照顧到農民像我捐的很清楚是因為你提的這個點你提說我不調金你就不調對不對那我們現在是全部把錢就捐出來明年調了3%全部都捐那我很清楚因為你這次是因為供糧我就捐給我很清楚的公佈就捐給嘉義嘉義的稻米產銷班那你要捐給誰你到時候你要低調沒關係可是你還讓外界很清楚知道你因為照顧農民 |
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5950.618 |
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5951.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
是你先提的嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
5951.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
5952.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
這不是我先提的喔? |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
5954.242 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
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你直接嗆說委員不調你就不調對不對我沒有說委員不調我說你調你捐我就跟著捐不是喔我說你捐我就跟著捐喔我是這樣講喔你當初是說我不調不是嗆你沒關係你說要更正說我捐你就捐OK啦那我們就是要捐出來那我跟你講很清楚我捐給稻米產修班因為重點他們在第一線嘛他們最清楚整個公糧收購的問題不要坐在冷氣房裡面部長你不要坐在冷氣房裡面我告訴你我在舔你的時間一定比你多 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規 |
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我在上個月問監察院秘書長李靜益的時候李靜益清清楚楚的表達這個案子等北檢北檢現在正在查什麼時候會再約你去也有可能啦陳吉仲也有可能所以再邀嘛約完之後李靜益來我們看李靜益在回答我的質詢的時候要清楚講等北檢調查完之後監察院一定會提出彈劾 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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一千多萬顆那那個氮氣要怎麼處理?那是人民的納稅錢,它是寄在冷氣房吹冷氣嗎?寄到會有人民納稅錢嗎?你要把它銷毀還是要怎麼處理?我想在還沒過期之前我們會在適當的時間釋出但是我要跟委員報告一件事情當初的這些庫存的部分在當初去年3月的時候那個時候大家在缺氮的時候也同時有一個決議說 |
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我們也要建立一個安全的庫存的水位所以當你去用安全庫存的角度的時候他當他過期的時候消費他必須要消費的那現在目前國外的整個來源蛋廠我們都已經掌握了所以後續我們不會再從政府去進口我們用貿易商來處理的部分 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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對啦當然如果市面上現在蛋價是低的產量是夠的對不對你就不能夠這時候去推翻可是很重要你不要放啦放放到又壞掉了好不好這個是這個要弄清楚事實上現在台北市政府的衛生局現在已經去查了叫各個縣市政府你這段時間賣出去的蛋有沒有過期我們再查這個我們持續在追有沒有用到過期的蛋另外很重要的就是人民的錢這是一共搬了多少錢出去15億嘛對不對 |
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本院委員林宜瑾等16人擬具:「動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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這個10億應該這麼講齁就是由續產會自有資金出那自由續產會是跟農業金庫做融資他融資了15億那5億是豬肉10億是雞蛋融資了15億10億是雞蛋然後現在已經還了剩下應該是3000應該是3000多萬吧 |
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大概剩下3800多萬其他都還了。我覺得這兩個很重要的問題嘛。中央巿長會大部分的錢是我們人民納稅錢你補助給他的嘛。這是第一個。這裡面浪費問題。第二個更重要的。那農業部又透過農業金庫把錢給他。裡面沒有發生你防避的這個功能。這裡面很重要喔。你今天農金署的副署長有來對不對?副署長你本身也是農業金庫的常董嘛對不對? |
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大家就要問啊,農業部對於可能有產生一個弊案或者人民納稅錢被浪費的,你看現在北檢也查了。它已經是一個弊案了。當初為什麼沒有一個防止的機制?你說不要買那麼多,或者你買的時候要有一個機制,包括你這個錢怎麼會搬出去?你們當初有討論嗎? |
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規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃 |
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這個案子因為是農業部所屬單位的貸款所以當時我們有自主迴避公股的部分公股的部分有自主迴避沒有參與這個案件的審議所以你去開會你是沒有參與這個討論的我為什麼問這個問題很嚴重第一個從農業金庫搬錢出去 |
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包括北檢都要查啊,每個人都要問啊,我們這邊那些錢被搬出去啊那誰做了這個決策?誰蓋了章?那現在你們的講法?你們派去的代表是沒有參與討論對不對?公股代表沒有參與討論公股代表?那為什麼不參加討論? |
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是回避責任嗎?不是,因為他是農業部所屬單位的貸款。那因為我們是農業部指派的公股代表,所以我們有自主回避沒有參與這個案件的責任。這是錢誰決定讓他搬出去了。這個當初,我第一個很明確要求,柏定,那天開會的資料一個禮拜面給我。當天誰參加開會,誰表達的意見,有沒有反對意見? |
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及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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好不好?你先檢討這個儘管會絕對不會派任何一個人到我們的公營的這個營養裡面去當董事嘛為什麼我們的農業部派了一個人進去當這個常務董事這已經是個問題了第二個現在農業金庫發生很多問題喔虧損累累農業金庫虧損累累第一是草書記的問題為什麼把錢搬出去這個結束的過程造成了弊案第二個最近你買了一堆的美債 |
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美國的再信買了多少?一千三百億。現在說至少可能會虧損五十億。所以最近這幾年連那個股息都沒辦法發。你農業金庫在開會的時候你的董監事到底有沒有發揮該有的這個功能?你現在一個很結構性的大問題,不然我告訴你,你五個獨立董事每個公司如果要上軌道都要有好的獨立董事對不對?你目前的董事五個都是你農業部派的。 |
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你本身是什麼?監督然後又變成是裁判這不是跟那個少林足球裡面講的是一樣嗎? |
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修正、旁證、主辦、協辦都列郎啊。所以這個整個農業金庫的因素就先天不足,後天就是又失調啊。我要跟委員澄清一件事情。農業金庫它不是一般的公開發行的公司。農業金庫也不是一般的公司。農業金庫是我們現在所有農會的上級的一個銀行。它負責整個農會系統的信用部。所以它也肩負了所有的農業的這些農民的這些專案貸款跟一般性貸款。 |
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所以他有高度的金融系統去支持我們農業的整個的一個經營所以相對的這個部分我們因為農業部有持股在那邊我們有持股我們派董事這是一個相關根據公司法是可以這樣做的所以本院你看你剛剛講說超市要不要遣失要不要搬出去你們去的代表就不敢進去開會啦沒有那是主動迴避 |
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為什麼要主動迴避?就是因為有這個剛講的嗎?你本身是監管為什麼你又變成賊人嗎?但是還有其他的人嗎?就是本身你遇到案子就是要迴避。部長現在很清楚出現了兩個很大問題嘛。操司這個過程裡面錢被搬出去。農業部的這個角色是什麼?農業經過為什麼造成這個虧損?第二個我很清楚跟你講的。農業經過的虧損跟操司因為操司那時候農資的部分現在已經已經還了雞蛋的部分剩下3000多萬他不是沒有還錢而且他付利息。 |
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所以他是一個正常的一個借貸所以這集包括銷毀了你買進來包括銷毀連監察院都講了至少那個五千多萬顆損失了五億多嘛對不對那那個錢誰出那不是曾平的錢嗎 |
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我剛才說了喔從另外一個角度他當時是在維持整個雞蛋安全庫存的一個必要必須負擔的一個責任我們就買不到啊那時候還是買不到啊因為很貴啊發現了我們做個結論啦農業金庫顯然要從制度面去改革你們有全國農業金庫獨立董事設置跟應該遵行的這個辦法 |
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你們要回去檢討這個好不好第一個你為什麼五個五個全部都是你農業部派的這本來就不合理啊你有四大股東啊 |
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本院委員林宜玲等16人擬具:「動物保護法部分條文修正草案：及動物保護法規劃內容與進程：及動物保護法規劃內容與進程：及動物保護法規劃內容與進程：及動物保護法規劃內容與進程：及動物保護法規劃內容與進程：及動物保護法規劃內容與進程：及動物保護法規劃內容與進程：及動物保護法規劃內容與進程：及動物保護法規劃內容與進程：及動物保護法規劃內容與進程：及動物保護法規劃內 |
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我國動物保護法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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部長,今天最重要的,就剛剛包括了其他的委員都在問你超時的就是合作這個農業金庫在這次錢被搬出去的過程裡面會議紀錄一個禮拜給你我覺得這個事情要追清楚到底誰做了這個決策把錢搬出去這是一個第二個更重要的把農業金庫虧損累累的事情趕快把它做一個改革好不好一個禮拜我們一個禮拜給你這個案子因為你所要的資料我不知道是不是我拿得到依規定拿得到如果依規定拿得到我一定給你 |
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6631.99 |
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及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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到時候又弄到監察要得到?相對的就是委員要資料一定是相關依據相關的辦法那我也剛才說了我如果一規定可以拿得到我一定拿給你那如果說我拿不到的話我就沒辦法因為你剛才講的那些會議紀錄還有什麼內部的相關於內部的決策過程是不是可以提供我不是了解但是如果可以我可以提供而且陳部長再到我們張委員辦公室去討論一下這個錢到底是我的問題好不好好謝謝 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文 |
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委員好。部長好。您應該知道說前幾天其實有野保團體到立法院這邊來遊行嘛。了解。是。然後當時動保司長也出來接見了。接見他們的陳情嘛。是。那他們大概提出了三個主要的訴求。包括說要經濟遊蕩犬貓的一個管理跟減量。然後第二個經濟生態熱區遊蕩犬的管理計畫並擴增辦理範圍。是。然後第三個是要提升國民對野生動物保育還有 |
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範圍動物福祉的概念然後將犬貓列入課綱外來入侵種的案例那對這部分的時候因為我看到你這報告裡面寫很多針對第一個跟第二個部分針對遊蕩犬的一個管理跟那個生態熱區這邊我大概都看到你們這邊有相關的一個資料啦那這部分我先簡單問一個部分就是說我們目前對遊蕩犬的一個推估到目前為止大概有多少量 |
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我講一、我們最新的資料大概是279萬隻其中犬的部分大概有148萬隻貓的部分有131萬隻和起來是279萬隻 |
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這個應該不是遊蕩犬,這應該是所有的犬貓的部分。遊蕩犬的話大概是16萬隻。那因為它持續的增加,我在想說對遊蕩犬這個問題,你們這裡面有大概提到,我就不特別去追。只針對說那個,你這邊有提到說有編列村里長需要的需求的預算。 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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我們針對新竹市的部分我們已經有提供機會改進他們的收容所的部分那因為收容所部分其實是當你的流浪犬進到收容所的時候他不是理解其實因為還是遠遠的不夠我想說事後的時候我們再請相關單位到本辦公室來做一個進一步的推動因為新竹市的整個的一個收容所我其實完全的不足然後對於整個那個村裡的這個需求預算的部分目前編列多少預算 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法 |
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我我覺得這個爭議非常大因為相對的就是當你因為過往以來一直有兩個路線那你當你把它認為外來種的時候光一般民眾就覺得外來種就是 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程 |
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大家都會怕因為在新竹市也發生過遊蕩犬咬死人的問題可是問題是大家對於伴侶動物的部分寵物的部分又非常的喜歡因為現在少子化的情況很多人都把寵物當作小孩子來養所以動保這個問題裡面其實它就很分歧所以對於貓犬是不是列入課綱這個部分我覺得農業部也相當的一個分歧我想請教一下林保署林保署這邊 |
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副署長嗎?我想問一下在林保署當中的時候有一個臺灣物種名錄這個網站對不對?這個網站當中的時候列了394筆入侵物種對不對? |
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6949.571 |
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三百九十四種入侵物種當中的時候犬貓都被列入入侵物種當中請問一下我們林保署這邊怎麼來判斷它是入侵物種的科學定義是什麼 |
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這個部分是由這個科學家去做調查的這個並不是我們林保署去做一個OK可至少在林保署當中台灣物種名稱當中的時候很清楚的把犬貓都列為入侵物種部長你知道這個事情嗎 |
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我是看到這語無形裡面提到我才知道OK 所以針對比方說農業部是像我們動保的一個主管單位都發生這樣的情況農業部裡面對於這件事情都有這麼大的一個落差那我們要如何去做進一步的一個監管讓台灣的動物保護能夠真正的落實下來 |
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我想我跟委員報告就是說現在目前台灣物種的這名錄並不是一個官方的名錄但是一個非常重要的是我們不能說官方怎麼弄我們就尊重其實針對是不是列入相關的入侵的物種應該要有很嚴謹的一個界定然後這些界定以後後面的配套不只是林保署 |
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7020.391 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程 |
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對於犬貓是不是納入外來種因為野保團體他們對這部分也有一個很高理想的一個訴求因為他們希望列入外來種之後能夠減少棄養的一個狀態那在當中我們希望說農業部這邊能夠好好扮演起一個監督管理的一個角色好不好好 |
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那接下來我想問一下就是我剛剛特別提到陪伴動物這個部分陪伴動物這邊目前被認為是財產就寵物被認為是財產還是一個獨立的一個生命體部長他現在被界定於被界定為人的附屬物人的附屬物所以他算是財產然後還算不算是一個獨立的一個生命體這個部分還沒有完全 |
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還沒有完全有共識被定義齁那這個部分我會特別提到是因為坦白說現在有很多相關的一個寵物的一個相關的糾紛當中的時候那法院很多判例也判例出來喔很多的部分寵物如果不慎被撞死了或者是被醫療糾紛致死的狀態都會有一個精神的衛福金這樣的一個情況所以某一個部分它其實是 |
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有些法院認為他有一些獨立生命體的一個特質在這裡頭那我們認為這個部分對於現在很多養寵物的家庭來說他們很多沒有養小朋友養寵物那這個趨勢其實越來越明顯所以我們希望農業部就為一個主管的一個單位能夠對這個部分有一個更清楚一個定義然後讓所有的一個陪伴動物他們有更好的一個定位可不可以 |
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我很謝謝委員的提醒,就是早期其實這些錢包我們把它當作一個附屬物,那變成一個財產的概念而已。事實上特別在少子化以後整個的一個社會的氛圍都不一樣了。那其實我們從動物保護的角度來講我們的態度也要做一些調整。所以這個部分我想我會後會請我們動保師針對這個議題去好好的去做一個溝通。 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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我想應該在年初的時候也有委員提到這個賽歌的問題那以我個人的態度我就要求就是說我們應該禁止賽歌特別是這種海上的賽歌因為在陸上的比賽這是一件事情他累了還可以休息但是海上的時候他累了以後就直接墜海 |
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所以我們那時候我跟我們部裡面的同仁討論就是說我們第一步就是要去處理海上的賽哥的這個違法的行為所以我們現在已經有成立跨部會的一個聯繫的一個機制一個處理機制先去處理那我們希望在適當的時間是不是可以可以入法了OK所以農業部已經很清楚的態度禁止海上賽哥這個事情我們是持這樣的立場 |
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關於後續的部分請給本席一個很完整的一個報告那我們也希望知道針對這個部分能夠對於整個賽哥這部分能夠有一個相當的一個規範好不好好謝謝請陳廷飛委員質詢 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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非常擔心害怕所以在整個科農的部分當時我們第一時間就去現場看了那在整個科農的部分現在有兩個區塊第一個區塊就是我們一直在跟你們說的就是說我們科棚在這一次如何能夠再補助而且不超越我們的所謂災害補助的這樣的一個範圍之內然後可以給我們 |
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這個地方的科農有一個補償那我們當時候談的就是說可能中央補助一個科棚5000元那市政府我相信我們也跟黃偉哲市長說了黃偉哲市長也說OK在一個科棚只要中央有補助5000元他也願意協助這1000元沒有問題那這個進度到底如何 |
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我先跟委員說明就是第一個非常感謝委員其實在颱風的第一時間針對蚵棚的一些問題就提跟我們農業部來反映那蚵棚這個問題基本上是因為他那時候還沒有漁業權所以沒有所謂的養殖登記那他被颱風吹走以後他不能用天然災害救助的方式去處理 |
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及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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7414.944 |
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7416.907 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃 |
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措施所以這個對農民長期以來漁民的部分是非常極度的不公平所以我們爭取很久了現在行政院已經在做一個審核的階段所以當時候在第一時間我們就說你不能再用這個漁業權的部分去限制在這一次磕棚的補助我相信那一天本來要邀請部長下去因為部長當天在處理預算的問題 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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所以我們也同意嘛就以5000然後四伏來補助1000一樣這個標準沒改變只是我們大家彼此互相用我們能夠去協助科民還有我們漁民的一個救助的方向來做處理好那現在進度如何根據我們應該是昨天吧還是前天 |
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本院委員林宜玲等16人擬具:「動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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應該最後我們確認因為經費有來源了然後我們也訂出了一個標準就是說不能比天然災害救助還高然後我們農業部確定我們補助是5000塊然後我們也期待台南市政府可以 |
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規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規 |
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7589.348 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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這個很確定了不要再拖了這個部分因為現在又要面臨另外一個颱風了這個颱風到底會不會進來現在大家還在看整個氣象的轉變所以這個是已經 |
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對台灣來講很特別了從來沒有11月台還這一次有可能這樣子夾著那麼多個颱風有進來沒有進來整個熱半氣流這樣的一個處理所以我認為我們就是要把整個制度做得更完整還有另外一個就是說好11月台真的比較恐怖好在整個颱風天我們要讓蚵棚怎麼避風 |
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7689.24 |
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我跟委員報告齁就是在這次的那個康威颱風來的時候曾經有要求到漁港去避風齁但是漁港本身很擔心蚵棚 |
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會影響到漁船沒錯然後因為時間也很短但是我已經要求漁業署跟台南市政府因為他是代管的還有相關的這些漁民要在明年的訓期之前定一個辦法對因為漁港畢竟他沒有辦法容納所有的科棚因為科棚六七千棚他裡面只有大概一兩百棚而已所以怎麼樣的遊戲規則要定好 |
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這個很重要就是說在明年訊息前你要訂出遊戲規則否則你遊戲規則沒有訂好的話很容易引發地方的爭議但是這個需不需要這個也必要因為這一定要的因為你沒有讓他可以進來做 |
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7732.548 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
7736.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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7773.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
這也是我常常說的就是特別是蚵棚我們的養殖醫院齁其實真的是靠近吃飯不怕颱風啦那過往的颱風因為臺南的地區剛好是這段時間在養殖他如果颱風因為今年的颱風是比較特殊所以我們希望說 |
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7775.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
7788.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
7812.588 |
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很難啊這種11月台這種風很恐怖啦你再多什麼樣的一個設備還是一樣沒有辦法去抵擋所以我覺得當然我們要未雨綢繆這些所謂的加強設施也要可是第二個就是說我們要怎麼讓他們能夠避風整個遊戲規則拜託在我們訓期前要把定出遊戲規則跟辦法然後再來就是我們當時候 |
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7843.86 |
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楊香瓜紅蔥頭玉米番茄還有我們的芝麻基本上都受損嚴重但是現在有一個問題喔我們現在有很多延遲性的摘損喔這些部分是不是我們應該各區各品項去完整了解這個就像我之前跟你講的現在地方跟中央的職責你知道地方都推給中央然後都說中央都還沒有定 |
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7844.66 |
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7860.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
還沒有公告然後也不去訴報結果農民都不知道該怎麼辦然後他沒有趕快整理的話又會搞著現在很多的問題你像我昨天就接到永康西市 塞市 塞市 趕快去跟我說他們現在都完全沒辦法整啊 |
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7871.845 |
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然後都要我們一個一個打電話去跟區公所說拜託你們就讓我們的農民可以速報你速報之後才能給農業局農業局才能給農業部啊可是這個部分SOP到底怎麼制定呢我跟委員報告齁其實天然災災勘災一定已經有一個完整的SOP那當初大面積勘天災來的時候我們農業部主動的去勘了以後用主動公告 |
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7915.083 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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7932.988 |
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7954.948 |
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各縣市政府好各縣市我不管台南市現在已經發生了在當時候這個颱風11月台開始的時候已經發生了這延遲性的然後甚至有很多他根本就沒有辦法栽種的造成栽損的是不是台南市你要求各區公所趕快去做各品項的盤整了解 |
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7959.332 |
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是不是可以然後再報給農業局然後再報給你們農業部你要請市政府要去做一些擔當吶我想我們會跟市政府溝通吼就是說有特別是您所提的延遲性的災損不可能用主動公報的方式一定是由地方政府區公署那邊來提報啊他現在都說沒有我們就在等中央啊 |
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7976.727 |
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7977.688 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程 |
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8005.546 |
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這個已經講很多年了這個隧道是你知道嗎我去現場看的時候那些農民跟我講說他是要弄裡面的然後在那我們的洋香瓜我們的蚵蜜啦他是一顆這樣要怎麼割啊弄裡面裡面這樣一顆一顆這樣把它割起來割起來啊去割一顆捏哥哥知道我們的隧道是所有的全部都被吹掉了這怎麼辦 |
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8021.459 |
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8024.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案。 |
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8042.949 |
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| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
8058.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
8059.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃 |
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8080.939 |
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8081.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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8102.891 |
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所以拜託部長這個隧道是你要趕快去做什麼樣的一個規劃然後怎麼樣的一個救助的方式要重新評估我們我們在應該在11月底就開始會去討論明年1月一定會新的公告把新的一些我們沒有過去沒有想到的再拜託喔那這個要納入喔這個我已經跟你講了這個一定要納入喔11月份我想我們還會透過專家會議來討論怎麼樣處理這個好不好好再拜託 |
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8138.457 |
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8138.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
現在修行 |
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8509.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
8512.397 |
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繼續開會,現在請鄭天才委員質詢。主席,有請部長。請陳部長。委員好。部長好。 |
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8538.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
8566.731 |
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今天有關動物保護法的修正,農業部也在112年7年4月到5月13日就這個動物保護法的修正案做預告。然後你們也在今年的8月16日就把這個草案送到行政院。 |
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8583.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
當然這個時間蠻長的一年多了從這個預告到送到行政院花了一年多的時間當然行政院的政務員他們也很忙所以也還沒開正式的這個會議 |
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8613.068 |
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所以基本上這個今天也很多的立法委員都提案了這個也希望這個農業部這邊能夠給支持但未來整個行政院板是不是有比這個現行的這些提案有更好的也可以參財納入這個部分好我們看這個 |
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8614.821 |
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8616.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
8622.024 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
8650.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
這個在最近造成這個我們軸西鄉相關古豐村這邊的雞農受到很大損失共被死亡的400多隻雞所以這個部分當然林業署也做了協助雞農的損失也做了協助 |
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8651.609 |
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8678.004 |
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這個就是怎麼樣去防範防範不再發生事實上有的是沒有通報給農業部林業署因為不知道是怎麼樣發生還好這個是後來經過查了之後才發現才知道是這個台灣黑熊所造成的所以這個未來的一個防範還是要去加強 |
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8679.425 |
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8702.814 |
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這個事要請這個有沒有除了你們現在因為台灣雖然不大但是林業屬的森林林邦地也相當這個設備也沒有辦法全部都放有沒有其他的最起碼住家部落的附近是不是都有這樣的一個設施設備 |
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8706.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
8716.353 |
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我跟委員報告第一個非常謝謝委員在這個議題的關心那這個議題其實呈現了兩個概念第一個概念就是其實我們看到我們臺灣 |
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8745.879 |
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對於黑熊的復育其實逐漸的展現出它的成果但是不可避免的就是說這些野生動物甚至於保育類動物對於我們靠近山林的這些農場的部分造成這些農作物或是續產的一個損失特別是以這個個案的方式來看的話其實它的損失相當龐大的那我們林保署在第一時間也針對這些被咬食的雞隻有做了一些補償的這些作為我知道 |
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8747.179 |
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8767.644 |
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這個補償作為只是事後的補救的部分其實我們更應該重視前端的這些防範那前端的防範我一直強調就是說像這種所謂的動物跟我們的家庭的這個部分應該要透過一些大家通力來合作特別是針對居民的部分一起來努力好 這個部分你們去強化 |
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8799.062 |
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實際上台灣的黑熊真的是很多我們部落的族人也跟林業署合作怎麼樣去一些受困的或是受傷的我們都有協助所以台灣的原住民族在這塊土地上事實上我們都跟野生動物能夠共存那我們看台灣黑熊 |
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8801.007 |
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8828.087 |
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這個真的是非常多這個相關的這些不斷的那個所以剛才講的那個防範的措施還是還是要有這個因為現在那個台灣黑熊在台灣的量不算少幾百隻吧有到幾百隻的一個我再跟委員報告有幾點就第一個就是說其實我們針對像黑熊這個部分 |
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8854.004 |
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的一些受傷我們也已經建立一個完整的通報的一個機制透過我們跟原住民部落在合作用山林共治的方式來處理那第二個部分就是我們也提供了有關黑熊的生態服務給付的部分來鼓勵我們這些原民部落本身針對黑熊的保育針對相關的一個示範給付的方式然後第三個就是我們也研發了一些改良式的改良式的這些 |
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8854.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
8858.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
8885.708 |
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8911.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
在人民的私有土地上,人民的私有土地上,不是在國有的海岸,所以這個都是在人民的土地上,所以像這樣的一個情形造成人民很大的一個,然後你們又這個人力的關係,然後去作業又慢,住計這些都慢,所以這個部分,然後在住計之後, |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
8912.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
8921.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
8936.385 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
8938.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
8955.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
8956.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
規劃內容與進程：及動物保護法規劃內容與進程：及動物保護法規劃內容與進程：及動物保護法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
8976.536 |
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9004.053 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
都已經註記好了,剩下就應該要拿走。鄉親願意把他載走,為什麼要禁止使用這個機器?所以這個部分都要去檢討,可以嗎?我跟委員報告,這個部分大概有兩點說明。第一點說明就是漂林木本身是屬地主義,由各土地主管居然處理。現在遇到的問題就是我們的註記時間一個月,一個月似乎太長,會影響相關的景觀。 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
9005.974 |
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9029.053 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
所以一個月是不是有機會能夠縮短這個部分我們來檢討那第二個部分就是說當我開放減食的時候那是不是可以部分的使用機具去協助搬運那這個部分我想我們也會來檢討就是說如果真的漂流木它不具價值的漂流木也很大的時候要用人搬的確有它的困難度 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
9029.733 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
9030.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
9059.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
9073.526 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
因為你可能不知道海岸很多開放那個大型車進去的都有啊我們只不過是要搬運這些機器我知道所以我想我們會去來設計用什麼樣的條件之下可以開放適度的開放小型的小型的機器了 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
9075.928 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
9076.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
關於楊瓊英委員質詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
9110.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
9138.251 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
謝謝主席楊群發言首先邀請部長請陳部長部長好部長我們114年度的預算裡頭其中我們動保管理編列是5.6億左右那當然我們希望要能夠好好的去落實推廣減少虐待動物的這個情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
9139.352 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
9155.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
那我們據資料呢每一年虐待動物的這個顯性的喔引信還不知道顯性的部分呢大概通報有上千件但是受到法院判決動保處開法的案件每一年不到100件 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
9156.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
9158.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
9172.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
9174.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
9199.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
9221.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
他們會很無奈地說要有遺體要有屍體他才會判案現在目前是如此所以本席要請教部長如果說為了定罪得當祭品的這個無辜的動物那這個也是一個很負面的一個教育這是絕對不對的 |
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9223.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
9226.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
所以在動物保護法第25條的規範裡頭要動物嚴重殘缺或者是死亡才能夠這個判法那實務上呢等於是最好就是你在當時在這個虐待的時候要趕快去把它 |
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9242.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
9247.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
部分條文修正草案．以往我們是說你要致使動物肢體嚴重殘缺或者是重要器官功能喪失 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
9268.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
9270.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
9288.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
9306.819 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
你使動物遭受傷害故意傷害或是使動物遭受傷害致動物肢體或器官功能受損本席具體的文字建議我希望得到你的同意你的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
9308.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
9324.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
非常謝謝那個委員長久以來對動物保護的關注那剛才委員提的兩個一個問題就是以現在的規定裡面一定是第一個要故意第二個要造成重大的三長的部分那以我們現在的資料就是大概每一年 |
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9325.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
9352.726 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
還有一個重要器官每一個都是重要器官哪裏有一個哪一個不是重要器官那我要跟委員報告就是說以過去幾年來大概平均一年大概在1200件到1400件左右那今年到目前為止大概883件那這是通報的那誠如你講的通報了以後要去有證據那這個證據我個人的看法就是我支持委員的看法但是我們對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
9358.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
9382.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
9386.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
9412.231 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
9433.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
我剛才說了就是說我希望說未來對於這種傷殘的部分要做一些分類的部分第二個第25條之一也很重要你們原來的條文是寫什麼使用藥物槍械致複數動物死亡情節重大者 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
9434.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
9453.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
你一定要槍械你也一定要藥物那本期給你修正文字除了使用藥物槍械暴力或者是施以其他凌虐的方式這個都要納入哪有一定要用槍一定要用藥才算凌虐你用用 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
9454.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
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很多人用棒球棒是不是啊用棒球棒把他打死去把頭顱都打破了這個不用怎麼可以這樣子莫名其妙我完全同意委員的看法現在槍械本來就是管制的你要找到槍械其實也困難對啊所以你的條文這樣寫你還不改 |
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所以我們的版本完了以後我想我們會尊重委員會裡面討論的這些意見我們會適度的把它納入。你同意本協所說的除了藥物、槍械、暴力或者是私利其他凌虐方式對不對?我想基本上同意但是就是說 |
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各縣市政府來結賬但是我們看到2020年宣誓畢竟12年之後街頭的遊蕩要遊蕩犬要清零可是我告訴你你越做越多現在15萬隻 |
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那這怎麼辦為什麼花了那麼多錢你反而更多呢?部長我跟委員報告2032年你有沒有信心你的目標是2032年我不知道當初2032年你的流浪犬之決議你會不會達到這是你現在的KPI喔對我很務實的跟委員報告當初2020年在定說12年清零的部分我覺得是做不到 |
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當我們也算過齁當我們沒有認得作為的時候流浪犬他本身的繁殖率的部分齁如果說以沒有作為的話現在可能變成18萬20萬了但是現在我們還是壓在15萬16萬之間表示說我們現在的作為是有一些成效我承認說有一些成效是不夠的嘛跟你的2032年你現在還是15、6萬啊對不對那很恐怖欸我們的公園今天很多人不敢去欸這怎麼辦 |
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我跟委員報告所以我們現在的樂區有擴大以鄉里營為鄉里為單位的樂區另外我們也去對外公開徵求有什麼好的辦法因為你講到重點了有什麼好的辦法我告訴你不單不單這個國家他只花了15年將全國的流浪犬隻全部結紮完畢是 |
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所以我要問台灣要多久?你要趕快,相關單位趕快去看世界各國人家怎麼做好不好?你趕快去看怎麼做!要不要檢討啊?一定要檢討!一定要檢討喔!你有GUS的承認2032年是達不到的!所以我拜託你!我用拜託!因為我覺得這些動物毛小孩我們一定要把它弄好! |
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我們現在物價指數從93.58 漲到104.7成長41%本期要跟你討論的也就是我們的這個農民津貼的這個問題因為呢我老農津貼是10年前所定5百萬那現在因為 |
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年這個這個物價指數提高也因爲他幅度很大也因爲極端氣候也因爲年房現在這個房屋啊還在增值稅一直這麼這麼高啊地價稅一直這麼高那你是10年前所定的五五百萬很多人說我一樣這個房子 |
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但是他因為政府你提高所以他超過了這個讓我沒有辦法領老農今天我個人認為如果是他沒有增加那這是不對的啊他沒有增加一樣的範疇那是政府你給我提高那應該是不是要來提高本學具體建議從500萬來建立到800萬真正的來照顧這些老農你的看法呢 |
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我跟委員報告其實在上上個會期裡面針對老農津貼我們也提出了說明現在是根據4年的CPI去調整那這個要調整我們有設計的一個新的方法但是也要看其他的社福基金的一致性 |
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我們如果說我們可以我會跟行政院請示就是說這個議題要聯同其他的八大社福基金一併來討論不是單一的因為他就是根據CPI就你的老人今天什麼時候可以再一次提到這個行政院 |
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本院委員林宜瑾等22人擬具:「動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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接下來我們請呂玉玲委員請做詢談謝謝主席請陳部長我們再請陳部長 |
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公布實施之後經過這些年已經有15次的這個修正那因為大家對於這個動保的意思都已經提升了所以我們也要與時俱進 |
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在去年的4月28號的時候我們就有最新的動物保護法的這個修正草案預計大概有68條在這個修正法案裡面我們也在這個11月您說的在8月份的時候已經呈報給行政院11月底就要來審查那本是希望在12月中以前就能送來立法院做得到嗎 |
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我想我們預計在11月底我們也會請行那邊盡快的審查啦那審查我們預估大概審查如果說有一個月的時程的話預計在12月中旬或下旬的時候盡量都在中旬那這些動物保護法在你預計的68條裡面跟我們社會上沒有辦法達成共識這些內容大概是哪些方向呢我想有幾個就像剛才那個有委員提到的就是 |
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你剛剛講到業勢的撈金魚這情形那我們立法的當時的時候我們利益是良善的但是我們在整個看到這個撈金魚的時候業者強力的反彈農業部立刻改口改口說那這樣子撈金魚的話就暫時不要禁止我們只要禁止兔子啦或者天竺鼠這些非這個脊椎的動物 |
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金魚就是脊椎動物是不是那為什麼要改變呢其實我看業者並不是會強烈反彈他們不知道未來你農業部有整個的配套或者未來對他們的生計有沒有衝擊的部分這就是你們必須要在落日轉型當下來努力下功夫而不是說有反彈就改變了 |
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不過我想跟委員說明就是我們在處理這些正義的議題不是說某一個單方面的利害關係人反彈我們就不做了我們是有經過非常多次的討論然後包括不同領域的利害關係人他們的一致性的看法如果看法是很分歧的時候那我們覺得說如果分歧一定要強制去推那反而會讓法裡面後續的執行更困擾 |
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要務跟槍械這個前提之下而致這個重大犯行的話 |
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我們會加重期刑二分之一加重期刑二分之一但是你們的條文裡面有複數本席認為說只要是他有利用到這個槍械或者是這個藥物的話我們就應該加重期刑不應該有複數不然的話你會讓這個加害者會有侵犯或有逃脫的機會是不是 |
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我跟委員報告齁,因為這牽涉到刑法的部分齁,那我們在當中在考慮的時候就是第一個是故意的,那第二個部分就是說他是故意的,一個也是故意的,不用一定要到複數嘛但是相對的,一隻動物的時候有時候是情緒上...可是他是使用齁,我不是說他有虐待的情形,或者暴力情形,所以他會使用藥物跟槍械 |
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部長,因為本席在上次在質詢你的時候特別有提到我們桃園的茶改廠。這茶改廠成立了已經將近有121年這個的歷史這個的文化。但是現在因為部長有說我們可以雙種廠的情形在嘉義跟我們桃園都有茶改廠。 |
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但是現在傳出來是說我們擦蓋廠場內的員工啊人心惶惶就很擔心了因為他們說你們都把整個北部的擦蓋廠的資源都會搬到這個嘉義去讓我們未來的對這個擦蓋的研發資源沒有的話我們未來主力會很大那現在情形是怎麼樣我跟委員報告齁就是雙重腦的概念是我提出來的齁當初本來是要移到嘉義去但是我覺得 |
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桃園地區本身的總長他有他的歷史價值跟他的貢獻度所以後續的經費還是後續在嘉義的部分你對資源跟人力會不會減少沒有人力的部分我們會去做調整但是絕對不會影響現實的人力然後另外經費的部分在嘉義的部分我們另外提報了預算會去額外的增加不會說把這邊的經費全部挪過去這個請委員放心 |
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因為我們要希望部長能夠重視我們桃園整個產業的一個發展那尤其是我們這邊的這個歷史悠久的已經121年的茶文化還有我們茶葉的整個發展那本席在這邊建議啦那因為我們不要發生的縱北慶來我們能夠均衡一點的話那我們可以把南北分工的這個性質那像像我們 |
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如果是嘉義的話我們可以針對這個飲料的這個作物啊來做研究發展那其他的部分就在我們北部我們桃園這個茶開場繼續來發展可不可以大致的方向是類似齁就是在嘉義地區很多就著重在高山茶的部分啊 |
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謝謝,謝謝部長。部長,剛剛討論那個25條之一啊,那個戶數啊本期跟那個召委的意見是一樣。你說在家裡你寧願一隻,不算,要兩隻。他因為臨時情緒,重點是你的標的物那個動物的死掉了啊。為什麼要兩隻?那個戶數這個太離譜了,要去檢討。欸不是啊,是蔡議員。 |
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所以部長那個真的要檢討了來我們請蔡議員委員請請打好謝謝主席那我們是有請部長請陳部長 |
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部長,事實上這幾年來我在關心這個越南的蚵仔事實上都有混沖變成台灣的蚵仔那尤其他們都冠上嘉義東石的這個名字那現在看起來報導已經不只是越南的蚵仔都已經變中國的蚵仔 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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本身透過金門過來的部分。表面上看起來好像是正常的貿易。我們不講走私的部分,就是他用正常管道進來的部分。現在我們在處理,我經過幾次會議的討論, |
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我覺得我們現在要去推動金門牡蠣的養殖登記因為你唯有養殖登記你能夠了解到金門的實際的生產量的部分然後再看養殖登記的來源牧場本身去做一個勾基這樣子就能夠避免他只是很含糊的講說我是我自己養的 |
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因為你沒有證明的話就很難處理所以我們現在後續會再跟金門縣政府這邊來討論然後透過相關的查驗的部分我們水事組跟他們的金門的水事組我們也會來合作落實的登記養殖登記跟數量登記以後就能夠一部分的遏止相關的透過這樣子以正常管道來走勢的這個情況那第二個部分是針對走勢的部分我想我們還是跟海委會再合作去加強查緝走勢的這個部分 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案。 |
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這幾年的預算你看一下事實上總預算都在提高總預算從111年的時候是2兆2700億到了明年度的總預算是3兆1325億很明顯的總預算是在提高但是你看一下我們的漁業署 |
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我們漁業署的預算從111年的時候是75億到114年是88億很明顯這個漁業署成長的幅度跟總預算成長的幅度就一個落差更不要去講說漁業署跟農糧署跟其他的我們農業部裡面的其他部會 |
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我們這樣看起來就是說這個政府好像對於台灣的漁業基本上是放棄的對於漁業沒有更大的一個重視那這個沒有重視的結果是怎樣我在進一步我直接講完部長再一次回答你知道我們現在台灣的漁港台灣尤其在西海岸的漁港有很多幾乎都是都是淤積啦 |
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及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案。 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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10836.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規 |
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謝謝委員對漁業的關心那我第一個說明就是說漁業署的預算114看起來有減少最主要是前任漁港的專案計畫的經費就是減少了但是從我就任以來我也發現到漁業署本身的工作其實是非常多的我覺得他應該要重新盤整包括您剛才說的這些 |
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這些海洋捕撈的部分的這些漁港雖然說二類漁港是由縣市政府來主管的但是其實農業部也應該負一些責任啊這副漁港沒有通用步驟他也是沒辦法去製作所以這些漁港都要靠漁業署來撐所以還有包括養殖漁業的部分我們怎麼樣更有效的去提升養殖的這些效率的部分我相信後續我想我們會來我會真的來關注漁業的部分因為我覺得他的 |
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工作項目跟編列的經費。但是部長你看嘛,你從預算去看起來,他錢就沒有增加,你更不用期待說以後就做比較多行賄。所以,部長我下一次還會跟你再講養殖業,我現在就,我們現在是講沿海的捕撈。往沿海的捕撈對不對,你就最基本的,那邊處理給安全出港就好。所以你要怎麼樣讓每一個漁港,它的出港是一個安全的。事實上我有很多數據啊, |
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這個數據呈現出來的你漁港要出港就不安全這要處理這就是委員講的其實航道的清淤特別是在這幾年來颱風每次颱風來、好雨來那個預計從上游的河沙預計在河道越來越嚴重所以相關的這些河道的清淤的部分應該更加重視那以前邊內的經費不足的話我們再看看用什麼方式調整但是後續的115年的時候我想我們會再做比較完整的一個調整 |
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10980.215 |
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部長我給你看數字你就知道了我再用一點時間你看一下我們東石我們往療愈港他的航道的輸進在上一次是在什麼時候在108年 |
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白水浮漁港在上一次的航道輸進是105年所以你從東石這裡當然東石的澳大利亞溫港、亞洲這幾乎幾乎都已經都沒辦法處理了所以你看他們的這個最低崗位的水深都已經到了零了 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃 |
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11034.137 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程 |
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請謝依奉委員質詢。 |
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部長我想要請問你喔其實我們最近看到日本的福岡熊本他們的牧場發現了這個牛結節的症那這個部分其實過去在2020年7月的時候金門也有爆發相關的這樣子的疫情 |
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| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
11106.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規 |
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這個範圍內所以為什麼2020年金門的牛節診的疫情跟現在對於日本的牛節診的疫情就是我們農業部的處理是不一致的為什麼 |
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我跟委員說明就是相關的牛節枕他是一個一級的傳染病所以當他發病的時候第一個跟生物有關的因為他的沒有經過一些一些比較深度的這些加熱處理的部分所以我們會先禁止然後看他的來源牧場一段時間是沒有發生的那我們當初對於金門的牛節枕的時候是不是不只是鮮乳甚至整隻牛的牛肉都禁止 |
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11176.99 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案。 |
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是不是因為國際貿易法的相關規範,所以你才沒有辦法禁止那個日本的就是牛肉進口? |
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11208.547 |
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是根據國際相關的規範。我請那個房間主署長跟您說一下。 |
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是報告委員因為國際的話他在肉的部分他是排除的他是有經過檢查以後排除所以對肉的話國際上並沒有針對牛節節診發生去做控管那乳的部分因為在當初的檢疫條件有宣告日本要發出來說他的廠這段時間內沒有發生牛節節診事實上與現在的狀況不符 |
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11267.114 |
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那這部分我們已經跟日本有談好了那很快的這個部分已經處理好我們重新議定了他的檢疫的證明文件那現在他其實乳的部分就可以輸進來沒有問題了已經處理掉了那金門的話是因為牛結症診發生那我們發現他不單只是牛結症沒有施打疫苗那其他的口蹄的部分也是有沒有施打疫苗的疑慮所以這部分我們會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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所以這一次我們食品的公料農頭他說禁止就是進口事業特選鮮乳就是日本的流乳進口嘛那在這個情況下他們也食尚奶茶也全面的停止使用日本的鮮乳改用國產的統一鮮乳以及要選用小農的其實我們彰化也有啊我們彰化也有鮮乳法啊那是不是你們農業部你們說為了要加入 |
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11329.195 |
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國際貿易組織為了要讓我們台灣的農業變成競技型現在根本就不需要打國際盃啊現在就要利用這個事件搶購我們國內的就是奶茶的農頭啊是不是我們就直接殺進去我們那個相關的茶飲的市場裡面啊是不是 |
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11349.515 |
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其實剛好這是一個機會就是現在很多那個泡沫紅茶店他是用那個冰磚冰磚爐的部分那現在剛好日本這段時間沒辦法進來的時候其實剛好讓我們有機會把我們的國產爐推介到我們的這些泡沫紅茶店還有奶茶店的部分 |
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| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
11350.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
11365.111 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
11377.88 |
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甚至我認為我們跟日本還有台灣的稻米稻穀就是那個我們的那個稻草啊過去我們彰化有非常多的稻草希望可以輸到日本日本他們有榻榻米他們的產業嘛可是因為防疫的問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
11383.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
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11428.285 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
我講我針對那個稻草的部分齁那個檢疫的條件我們一直在在積極的跟日方在處理那有一個時間點的機會就是我們我們的豬瘟傳統豬瘟如果被確認了以後那相關的這個檢疫的條件就可以放寬因為他們針對齁因為我們國內還有情緒上還有一些豬瘟的的一個所以稻草是跟豬就對了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
11431.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
11454.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文 |
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| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
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請陳昌明委員諮詢。陳昌明委員謝謝主席。首先有請農業部陳部長。請陳部長。委員老闆。國民老闆。 |
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11517.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
11524.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法 |
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| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
11561 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
棄養這是一個原因第二個部分是說這些野外的流浪貓的自然的繁殖那自然的繁殖本身如果說以它現在的繁殖倍率跟它的公母的比例的時候我們現在的一些作為的確有抑制但是沒有辦法馬上就把它清零我告訴你這事情要追求本人 |
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| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
11573.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
我現在看這個社會經濟觀,我們現在推寵物車的比推嬰兒車的還要多。第二個,我是實際講,我的裡面秘書請教我這個動物的話不能亂講話。 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
11583.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
11615.29 |
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所以在這,你既然跟人一樣一樣,你跟養寵物的人,我問你,我們現在所有的寵物裡面只有植種片而已,對不對?你要幫我取寵物,要拿寵物啊,所有養寵物的話,要跟人的新聞證上款都要登記下來。 |
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11645.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
我覺得這個很重要你感染就要負這樣的責任為什麼會有這樣的情形?人是叫做接力的問題起因啊!吼這個壓力很大所以隨時都會被盯著你沒有做你覺得良心不安各種條件就會來制裁你你要好好的照顧你下一代孩子啊這些寵物今天我心情好我就把他抱在一起我不要生氣了或是各種 |
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| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
11669.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
把寵物放到外面他沒有一點社會責任的所以你要從這個根本上你敢給我取寵物你有給我拿政府的寶座還是給我訪問真的照顧寵物養的權比照顧小孩子養的權還痛所以你這個大姐的限制性條件沒你公的那些沒得抓那現在政府為什麼不敢做 |
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因為年輕養的寵物很多選票有關係只要稍微講的對寵物不好的話選票都跑掉了但是我這個人我實際去做事我把這個問題貼著讓你們好好研究你們的看法怎麼樣 |
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我跟委員報告第一個就是說我們其實已經在推動重複身分證那重複身分證其實代表了重複的一個身分以外也代表了寵物的登記那有了登記以後後面的管理這是第一點 |
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第二點就是我們看到現在的很多流浪貓流浪犬包括現在的整個的寵物的一個市場裡面我覺得非常重要就是事主的責任對對對研究管制我是跟你講一點這個詞題我不敢亂講因為我看到實在人跟照顧寵物跟照顧人類的不一樣我們有感受但是不敢講聽得懂嗎第二個 |
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那外界第10屆委員會的時候南部的所謂喉嚨跑到國園裡面去啊你們怎樣去防治有沒有進一步的成果我們現在第一個就是我們用電幕網的部分去做一個補助然後更重要就是說我也請我們的林保署那邊去公開徵求更好的方法我們給予獎金徵求出來了沒有現在還在 |
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還在徵求當中?我現在怎麼提這個問題出來? |
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本院委員林宜瑾等16人擬具:「動物保護法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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但是我苗栗縣現在山區的狗籠都已經碰到這種問題。啊我會在第10屆開始講到現在我現在來啟床。我每次下鄉的時候那些人都說欸你也沒有歡迎啊你也沒有該掛帳的收費。我就等著這一天南部的經驗怎麼樣。你讓我對水果的損害。那我告訴你 |
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規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規 |
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那在一些情況之下他是可以獵殺的可是人我們針對獵殺通常不喜歡這樣做所以我們都是用圍捕用電腐網的部分你講的我們農業一流啊我們的動物我們的實驗所還缺其實這個可以一個專案去想你們現在不在場自己想開幾年 |
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規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規 |
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我先講喔,我苗栗的那個水果市都在山坡地喔,跟南坡的平地不一樣,人家有的有的,我們要再變來變去,要再管再給喔。你幫我想要怎麼來解決,我幫你考取解決。 |
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我會跟委員報告就是說第一個像這樣的一個防火的部分應該跟當地的居民、農民一起合作啦那提供巡守的部分然後驅趕的部分那試驗單位現在有非常多的驅趕的這些作為你這表面文章我怎麼知道那個狗、狗我怎麼知道晚上要來還是晚上要來 |
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規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程 |
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您真正是不作為公務這新的技術。你們這樣的問題就沒有辦法解決。你們那麼多的實驗所,你們那麼多的專家,安然視守無策。台灣公農業的進步我也不怎麼相信。尤其你是那個科技的那種來當部長,應該想出新的辦法。我現在要解決我地方的問題。 |
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你那個電網你說寮搞我不曉得早上晚上來我天天要派人去繞山區那麼大如何去找所以這不務實際我看到你們管政府說不錯我就我不相信不錯我說很爛的做法再來你要安心把這裡搞下來保護這裡的農民你們一定有一套辦法這樣五十年這個問題沒辦法讓人改觀 |
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委員有更好的訪問,我們也樂意接受啦,因為我們...沒有人敢去請我吃飯,我才跟你講稍等多次,讓我再去問多次。但是,我現在不安的情形,能不能用農業災害來? |
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如果確實嚴重,農業障礙我這個地方我會照出來一看。你用農業障礙的補償辦法。你這辦法想給這些農民,不然水果種了那麼久,採的量那麼少,疑心何忍啊。這跟你那個農業障礙保護不一樣啊。 |
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規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規 |
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我會慎重的考慮就是說以現在來講就是我們只有天然災害救助的辦法你不能說照以往這個是天然災害啊你們說不能把米油殺了我他來吃我的不是天然災害是什麼天然災害有天然災害的範疇啊這也是天然災害的一種您把他納入裡面嘛這我們要來檢討這是什麼事我跟你講花的錢不多 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程 |
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規劃內容與進程：及動物保護法規劃內容與進程 |
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本院委員林宜玲等16人擬具:「動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及 |
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及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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報告,那個目前的部分都是由所謂的民間自己來去做,那沒有辦法,現在沒有辦法。那你如果按照海難災害防救業務計畫,如果有造成漁損,海難事故造成漁損,由農業部協助漁民求償嘛,這是這個計畫的鑰匙嘛,那你過去有相關的案例,那這個案例能不能比照辦理? |
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報告那個過去的部分的案例大概都是我們協助來去做保全證據的部分跟愚民的部分這部分你有協助嗎我們都在上次的阿瑪那個德祥的部分也是用同樣的方式並沒有戴維球場這件事情你們考慮一下啦齁如果用戴維球場由公部門來介入效果會比較好啦這個部長 |
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我個人覺得我會後回去了解詳細的情形我覺得這要有一個制度性的啦對,你要接受制度,說有些這個待會球場的效果比由民間、由漁民自己去組成這個球場力道可能會由公部門組成會比較好一點我個人會就是說 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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其實他所負責的這些漁港的維護還有包括養殖的部分其實有一些不足的地方那這個部分我想我們會來去想辦法去處理因為魚也特別是漁港的部分雖然說是二類漁港縣市政府 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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今天作為目前大概以我們部理院目前現行的做法就是多管齊下因地制宜。這是原則啦,但是具體的做法要很清楚的告訴包括地方政府要怎麼配合。很多地方政府他沒有辦法有達成你們相關的這個要求。你說你要任領養的循環到一定程度,你的這個部分林撲沙才能達到這個你政策目的對不對?沒錯。 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃 |
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都沒有辦法達成這個年度目標,所以他必須辦保留。很多這種狀況都地方政府沒辦法執行。你地方政府沒辦法配合的話,你這個林木柏拉就沒辦法落實。市長,你要瞭解問題在哪裡。有,委員我這不清楚,嘿對。那針對這些相對比較消極的地方政府, |
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你有沒有什麼好的對策目前的話我們會依據各地方政府的一些執行的一些狀況去調整這些的所謂的協助那這部分我們會去做一個動態的一個滾動的一個處理我是選擇永安有一個永安區永安區這個 |
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所以你為什麼精進作為為什麼要有這個為這個為這個為這個野生動物而走就是你目前做法太過這個消極對策不對 |
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規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規 |
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12588.6 |
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及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條 |
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委員長部長好我要跟你請教一下我們11月7日和行政院長見面我們是不是要求你為農民要的需求邊滿邊足你說是不是我們你只要回是不是我們要求 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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我想羊奶本身它不像牛奶那麼普遍性然後它現在有它自己的通路那我們當初在考慮就是被影響嘛有通路但是因為我們推廣就是斑斑有些奶是他們有被影響因為現在目前羊乳進到學校的比例其實並不高不過 |
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我想我們在推動牛奶的部分我們也不會放棄到羊奶的部分所以羊奶的部分其實我們在思考從綠色照護的角度去協助他們進到我們的綠色照護的供應系統希望我們部長這邊有協助因為這個是他們的反應再來就是請教我們的部長斑斑有鮮奶現在就是很多的亂象就是中華民國羊羊協會有監獄 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃 |
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我跟委員報告,我們現在正在規劃下學期以後的這些……對,所以說我最不想聽的就是在規劃中、演繹中、討論中所以我們希望就是要求我們是有一個具體的計畫幫助到他們才是真正的解決問題 |
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一個非常重要的就是我們未來的一個對所以這個部分我希望就是我們農業部要提出一個計畫具體的計畫我們希望有這樣的具體的計畫我們會提出來適當的方法還有針對就是我們農業部這邊就是動保師長在11月10日在那個野生動物 |
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規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規 |
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公知源頭是施主的責任但偏遠的地區很多施主採用就是放生方式來去養我們的狗狗多數就是為進行就是決議還有根據我們的相信我們的 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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修法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條 |
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及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案。 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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如果2020是15萬隻的話到2023年可能到18萬到19萬隻去了那現在我們降在16萬隻的部分表示說我們現在的做法是有一些成效這第一個說明第二個說明說以現在的這樣的一個進度跟現在的方法 |
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我必須承認2032年要達到零流浪犬的機會非常非常小但是我們一定會持續的去努力所以我們現在把所有的熱區的部分已經縮小到每一個村里了解那因為我就覺得最近我剛剛看到很多政府的政策都是 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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當然我可以知道這個很辛苦啦可是總是你預估跟你達到差距很遠或說這個做不到我覺得就不是很妥當啦就民眾而言其實民眾對政府還是希望能夠行的那你知道現在我們保育隊的食譜大概還有多少隻? |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條 |
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及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及 |
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不到一個月左右就死掉就被攻擊死亡了所以變成說我們其實一直希望做保育把台灣的原生種啦能夠繼續的繁殖繁衍下去但是有時候會不會是因為我們對於遊蕩犬的管理不好就反而又去影響到我們希望另外做成的保育的一些計畫你們有沒有想過這個問題 |
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15死亡入沙的比例遠比犬隻還高那是另外一個原因我懂那是另外一個原因但是我必須講一個就是說如果我們的遊蕩犬沒有管理好的話他會造成其他的問題 |
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當然我們也知道為什麼這個遊蕩犬它的數量也降不低其實有一個問題就是民眾會餵食當然這民眾他也是去一個愛心去餵食但是我想說餵食的問題還是要想辦法解決對不對然後包括收容的問題我希望說你們還是能夠提供一個比較有效的方式看要怎麼樣 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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就是彌補他們的成本或是會不會到最後都血本無歸再麻煩部長注意一下喔就是說部長要麻煩您能夠同意就是說告訴我們到底這次能夠調整哪些項目還有進了多少您說年底前會有一個結論嗎?對我們大概11月底就會去做內幕討論好那這個可不可以再給我們一下就對於這些農人您的補助對如果說有初步的這些調整的部分我想我們第一時間都會跟委員溝通而且讓委員知道 |
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我們終於要修動物保護法了齁我想非常感謝趙偉拍攝齁那部長我想先請問你一個問題你有去過夜市嗎有那你有知道夜市裡面有很多的趣味遊戲不知道你有沒有玩過 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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13436.525 |
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13445.249 |
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修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案 |
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其中我也針對第10條第3款提出了一個修改以直接間接賭博娛樂遊戲營業宣傳或其他不當目的進行動物交換與贈與為什麼會做出這樣的修正是因為我們認為現在的樣態把它歸類為賭博跟不當目的我想基本上夜市的遊戲你很難去定義它可以認同嗎 |
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我想我們在處理這個部分的時候我們收集了很多外界的意見特別是您剛才講的夜市相關的這些動物的這些行為那他有不同的非常大的不同的聲音所以我們我們基本上支持是說適度的去禁止但是可能要有一些但書有一些弱智的條款你有看過夾娃娃機裡面有放那個活體動物的嗎你有看過嗎夾娃娃機 |
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經濟部有明文禁止不能做這樣的行為。曾有這樣子的一個案例。這就是因為這樣子我們才關注。對不對。我想再來實際面來說長期以來這些動物的飼養環境你根本不知道是什麼樣的一個狀況。所以小肚子老鼠他們繁殖能力很快也很強但是不用負任何的責任因為這些商人他不會去講究飼養的一個環境。 |
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通常這些在夜市看到的小動物他們的環境、飼養狀況是非常的糟糕的所以有的因為擁擠、髒亂甚至缺乏基本的照顧所以你可以看到他們就是病奄奄的你有看過嗎? |
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13563.926 |
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我看過有看過啦齁所以我們根本就不知道他生活條件好或不好對商人而言他們就是可以用用過就丟對他們來說他們就是商品他們就是獎品所以當然會發生有可能的後續不當飼養棄養的一個問題我想因為得到這些獎品的人也不知道準備好了沒 |
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我想這些東西都是問題環環相扣所以我昨天看到經濟部今天的一個報告經濟部對於這一條是非常支持的我們感到非常欣慰但是農業部呢剛剛你回答有一點點模糊喔到底農業部知不知識我講基本上我們尊重而且支持但是我剛才說的因為有些條文在我們收集意見的時候有非常多的爭議所以這些爭議可能必須要有一些單數的規定去做一個環環的處理 |
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當然樂於去積極探討啦對於法律這些漏洞我們希望逐條討論的時候能夠積極去解決這些問題把這些漏洞補起來禁止把動物當作獎品落實生命教育我們一起來努力再來我想跟你討論到台灣目前的科學應用機構 |
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規劃專業的獸醫師制度。」之前農業部我們在民國108年12月有出一個《動物福利白皮書》在這裡面的第29頁裡面有談到動物科學應用機構之監督管理人代加強裡面主要三大重點缺乏一致的管理措施內外查核不嚴謹不專業專業的獸醫師缺乏動物照護管理不足 |
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也就是說其實農業部你們自己也知道動物科學應用機構的監督管理是不足的那要如何將專業的獸醫師制度的角色納入到查核過程中?農業部目前有沒有具體的一個作為?我跟我一樣的話就是現在目前有關於類似 |
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專業的獸醫師缺乏嘛那又缺工的一個狀況到底能不能引進或者是納入一個角色動物福利白皮書這個第29頁你有看過嗎 |
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我忘了我可能看過整份的但是我不知道或許很多啦但不可能就叫哪一頁你一定很清楚但我現在提醒你第29頁你們自己都寫這個都寫出來了所謂的科學應用監督管理人代加強所以我希望本席認為科學應用機構應該要設置獸醫師確保每個科學應用的計畫都有專業的資格的獸醫師來幫忙協助監督可以支持嗎 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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社會觀感不佳社會也希望能夠有這樣子收益師必須實際參與計畫審查審查後的監督及動物的一個照護確保研究計畫實驗設計依據合可的一個內容執行我們都擔心沒有必要去造成動物不必要的一個痛苦對不對所以內外部的查核不嚴謹不專業的問題也才可以迎刃而解這部分農業部可不可以研議看看 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃 |
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13819.222 |
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請羅志祥委員質詢。主席有請部長。請陳部長。委員好。部長好。請問您有看到日前桃園爆出有人經營非法屠宰場殺害數百隻犬隻賣狗肉多年的新聞嗎? |
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5、 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文 |
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是因為屠狗者的家人看不下去才主動檢舉的。那為什麼我講這事情嚴重?它也顯現出今天我們的稽查的人力的部分可能是不足夠的。我們目前全國的專職的動保檢查員大概多少人? |
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我們農業部補助大概100個人總共是190幾個人但是目前我們動保檢查員的公權力其實相對來講的強度非常薄弱所以他在執法上就會出現很多的困難也因此有很多的動保團體倡議說呼籲要設立專職的動保警察制度來因應 |
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13908.237 |
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13930.414 |
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如果有專職的動保警察的話那很多動保案件跟動保悲劇就比較有較強的公權力可以來去防止它的發生那我想請問部長您支持嗎我想有關於動保警察的部分其實我們當初包括委員您也提出來然後我們也曾經跟內政部在討論那討論的一個過程就是說 |
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一旦設了動保警察的時候那相關的其他的業務也有不同的專案的警察會出來所以他們是更積極的去建立當我們有案子發生的時候我們的動檢員可以直接跟警察局做聯絡以後警察會第一時間來配合所以這個機制現在越來越順暢 |
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13953.306 |
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13965.215 |
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我先在這邊打斷,因為你後續的做法段,你們再整理一份報告給我。但我要看的是所謂執行的績效段。實際上我先請教部長,農業部2023年辦理動保檢舉申訴的稽查案件多少件?7.3萬件左右。差不多7萬多吧。對,7萬多件。裁除幾件? |
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13979.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
13982.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程。 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
13994.983 |
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14013.201 |
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大概每一年通報的話大概是一千二到一千四然後今年的話這是883件對好那最後有幾件是按照動物保護法來判刑喔比例很低非常低嘛大概0.3而已嘛對啊那其實有一個很大的原因啦 |
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14041.872 |
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就是因為我剛剛前面的講的說其實動保警察的設置他不僅是增強稽查的那個人力稽查的執法的一個後盾還有一點就是在修正上他會比較齊全啦所以因為現在很多東西就是說你就算抓了以後你會發現罰也罰不了然後那個在這個刑事的訴追上也會有障礙就是因為在前端實際上你的執法的這個所謂的那個後盾不夠 |
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14042.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
14043.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
14064.228 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
14082.205 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
我跟委員報告這是我們修法的部分有賦予動保檢察員執法的一個權利讓他可以進到私立運營這是第一件事情第二件事情如果跟內政部動保檢察沒辦法成立的時候我們有考慮成立一個動保官的概念類似消保官的概念 |
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14082.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
14085.811 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
14119.447 |
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請賴思寶﹑賴思寶﹑賴思寶委員不在請何新淳﹑何新淳﹑何新淳﹑何新淳委員不在請李坤澄﹑李坤澄﹑李坤澄﹑李坤澄委員不在請高金素梅﹑高金素梅﹑高金素梅委員不在請洪森漢委員諮詢。 |
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14133.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
14136.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
及動物保護法部分條文修正草案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
14146.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
14162.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
市長上個禮拜天其實有這個將近五千位關心生態保育的民眾上了街頭那他們非常關注遊蕩犬貓其實對於目前生態的大概的一些衝擊部長應該知道這件事情吧?知道部長其實我認為你應該到場的 |
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14165.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
14189.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
其實現場有很多是我們生態領域的專家學者其實他們都是可以幫助我們來解決相關問題的很重要的以重的幫手那不然我想先請問農業部其實在犬貓與野生動物保育之這個農業部是犬貓跟野生動物保育的主管機關那對於大家現在擔心的這些問題這個農業部打算怎麼處理 |
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14190.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
14212.234 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
我想因為他們的訴求大概有三個層次就是第一個部分就是針對比較重要就是針對流浪犬的這些更積極有效的處理的方式那這個處理方式當然我們現在目前有我們的有我們的規劃包括盪到熱區盪到村裡可是我一直覺得盪到村裡以後還是有村裡的執行是不夠的 |
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14212.995 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
14233.053 |
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所以我後續會去研議用一個跨村裡的一個團隊去共同執行的方式可能會有比較好的效果不然我因為我就直接講我們想提醒的重點我知道你們現在大家有所謂生態熱區的計畫這部分動物動保師其實也有在改善這部分我們都歡迎鼓勵 |
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14234.557 |
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14261.879 |
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但其實我想更重要的事情是其實農業部轄下也有很多的保護區這保護區裡面我們目前也看到很多野生動物被咬傷的這個案例包括我們現在看到幾個例子裡面包括四草野生動物保護區裡面的黑面皮魯或者香山濕地的這重要的水鳥其實都有遇到攻擊但是他們現在遇到的威脅不只是這個遊蕩犬毛也還有包括其他的但是這裡面看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
14262.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
14268.081 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及 |
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14288.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
14315.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
所以我們現在看到幾個狀況包括其實內政部所管的國家公園裡面已經有禁止民眾餵食遊蕩犬貓的規定了那也包括農業部為了預防狂犬病的傳染其實也禁止民眾把犬貓帶入自然保護區可是我們剛剛針對這幾個農業部所寫下的保護區的概念裡面我們沒有看到類似包括你該做的一致的操作指引 |
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14316.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
14345.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
或者是禁止民眾餵食這樣的規範我們目前其實沒有看到部長你覺不覺得我們在這幾個反而更重要的保護區裡面有更珍貴的這個動植物應該要做相關的規範部長我非常認同這之前我也跟我們的相關的林保署等單位處理過就是說我們化電液自然保護區裡面也要一定要禁止餵食你如果沒有禁止餵食什麼都不要談部長如果你有這個概念的話我覺得我們就把行動做出來吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
14346.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
14361.736 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
該做的規範包括依次的質疑我們可不可以在兩個月內把這樣子的做法把它給提出來 這應該不難我們可以提出來但是我們現在的同仁回報的問題就是說我禁止餵食以後後面的法則要跟著出來不能是沒有用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
14362.116 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
14389.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
不然我覺得因為這裡面牽涉到你們保護區裡面88個我也同意你們找出有最嚴重的有一個優先順序我這同意可是我們開始有所行動好不好這我想提醒的第一點第二點我想提醒喔其實我們現在也針對不管是野保法動保法目前都有大修的規劃嘛但是不然我想提醒喔其實我覺得這是一個好的時機我認為應該通盤的檢討動保法野保法畜牧法漁業法等相關法規其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
14390.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
14419.611 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
很多專家都提醒我們這裡面幾部法裡面都有一些相互衝突重疊或職責模糊的地方那這很造成中央地方無所適從的問題我舉個例子不好意思一點時間比方說野保法第三條對野生動物的定義是一般狀況下生活在自然環境的動物那什麼是一般狀況比方說梅花鹿算不算生活在自然環境下的動物算不算梅花鹿算不算 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
14420.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
14437.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
棉花鹿應該是一般動物啊對,棉花鹿算不算可是我跟部長說就農業部規定裡面棉花鹿他說棉花鹿不算他不算是野生動物他是家畜可是我們看到肯定很多棉花鹿他沒有飼主啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
14438.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
14455.843 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
他是家畜,所以你沒有辦法用畜牧法來做管理啊。比方說去年我們看到很多人注目的這個六福村的冬肺肺肺的事件。野生動物被飼主領養了又脫逃,那他到底是要用動保法來管還是野保的主管機關來管,各有各的解讀。 |
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14456.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
14469.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
最後這個獵人就在不知道是誰主管的狀況下下令開槍就造成了這個悲劇所以我說這幾個法規動物保護法、野保護法、畜牧法、漁業法這幾個法規其實是有一些彼此漢格模糊地帶的地方 |
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14470.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
14486.357 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
我們一個建議是我們也應該趁這個時間點不應該是動保是修自己的動保法然後林保署修自己的野保法那可是彼此中間其實現在很多執行的模糊地帶我認為農業部應該把這件事扛起來假設我們現在這幾個法規都有想要修的打算 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
14486.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
14488.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
14502.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
14527.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
但是你提到的畜牧法的部分我的確是過去是沒有去注意那我想我們後續會再來看畜牧法本身跟動物保護法跟野保護法之間有一些謀無地帶的話我們可以也許如果可以在動物保護裡面去處理就在動物保護裡面去處理但部長我當然知道說這個工作法規的檢討部分會需要一點時間比方說我覺得你可以有三個月的我可以給農業部三個月的時間這些相關的競合把它盤清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
14527.506 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
14527.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
14542.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
14543.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
部分條文修正草案案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
14569.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
14585.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
請黃建豪﹑黃建豪﹑黃建豪委員不在﹑請郭玉琴委員諮詢。謝謝主席。有請部長。請陳部長。 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
14595.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
14620.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
部長好,剛剛聽到好消息,12月我們可能就是動物保護法的部分會送院對不對?應該是12月。我們期待啦。首先先強調就是在我關心流氧動物這麼多年的一段時間,其實我們就不斷的在這個總諮詢的時候其實我們也都有談到了。那我先從這個公立收容所的部分來看起啦。 |
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14621.324 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
14634.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
全台灣的收容所改建完成之後其實最大的流容量最大值是9481隻那相對於現在其實我們統計過後就是在各區的16萬隻的遊蕩犬我想即便是20億幾億的預算下去其實都沒辦法滿足 |
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14643.057 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
14669.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
這個部分我們知道是非常明顯的不可行另外其實很多人可能就會想說那還有一些民間的收養的收容的部分一些愛爸愛媽他們的一些收容中心這個部分我們是不是可以納入法規來做這樣子的一個管理我們知道2020年其實我們有提到可以跟地方政府來做合作然後輔導這些私人的狗場正常的一個運作但是後來可能真的也無疾而終那目前有沒有最新的進度 |
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14670.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
14686.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
我想特別是剛才委員提到這些數字是我們遇到的困擾所以在源頭的繁殖的部分我們會去加到力道因為繁殖的部分如果能夠掌握它的整個的一個動物的來龍去貓的時候那就會減少它的棄養 |
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14687.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
14708.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
因為有很多的繁殖場是非法繁殖場他是隱身在很多的社區當中狗狗被弄掉生帶他們是真的沒有辦法發出聲音所以其實不為人所知啊對所以這個部分就是我們曾經在修好我剛才說我們尊重委員的版本就是說繁殖場要去管理要更高的強度來管理會比較好一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
14709.136 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
14711.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
14729.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
14734.808 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
14757.276 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
14758.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
14781.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
14796.054 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
也公告了就是今年8月之後其實我們的家貓開始要做這樣子的寵物登記但是呢很多人就會擔心他如果跟狂犬病疫苗綁在一起其實他有可能會導致所謂的惡性腫瘤的這個部分 |
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14796.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
14824.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
這個部分我們有因應方法嗎?其實我們現在有提出更科學的證據就是過去我們已經施打了100萬隻左右大概沒有什麼特別的問題所以我想把登記跟狂犬病本身它可能會造成的一些負面的影響我們用科學證據讓民眾知道這是一件事情第二件事情我也可以先考慮登記跟打狂犬病是不是可以先適度的脫鉤因為登記是一個非常重要的管理的手段 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
14825.385 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
14828.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
14845.166 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
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其實我提了很多的意見尤其是在虐待動物的部分那這個部分呢其實我想飼養寵物其實有很多不同的方式都有可能碰及觸及到所謂的虐待的一些行為包含他不當的飼養關籠或者是牽繩這永遠就看著或者是一直在頂樓然後只給水然後也沒有陪伴這個部分其實我們到目前為止 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程．及動物保護法規劃內容與進程 |
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條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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14905.947 |
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部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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請賴會員、賴會員、賴會員委員不在。請羅明才、羅明才、羅明才委員不在。請徐富奎委員質詢。謝主席。有請陳部長。請陳部長。委員好。部長好。 |
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部長,我上個禮拜約了我們農糧署還有我們農改長還有縣政府的同仁一起去看我們這個康納颱風造成我們屏東紅豆受損的一個災情。那也感謝部長﹑已經公告了吧?對,感謝部長這個禮拜一公告。但是我要跟部長反映另外一個問題我們的紅豆除了怕颱風之外還怕另外一個動物叫綠獵蜥。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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是不是可以請部長針對農民這樣一個致力救濟的方式應該是不是給予這樣的一個所謂的一個資產的一個補助的一個方案我感謝委員對這個議題的關心我也在考慮就是應該會去做就是說如果農民自主去抓到濾劣期的某種獎勵就像我們之前針對這些 |
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15032.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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15059.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
15063.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
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15088.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
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真的非常非常的恐怖所以這部分是不是馬上部長我會來重視包括剛才您所提到的獎勵抓到獎勵的部分我想我們會來設計我想鄉親不是要獎勵他們是如何去防範農作物受損防範也是另外一件事情 |
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| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
另外我們剛剛洪森委員提到墾丁煤貨爐的問題這也是一個很嚴重的一個問題除了發生車禍之外他們也會大量的用一些紅龍果這些農作物把吃得很乾淨啊這農民真的是苦不堪言啊這就這樣一個防範措施是不是有考慮立委我們一個所謂一個農損的一個天然災害救助我想以現在天然災害救助是沒辦法納入但是我剛才也說過了就是我會去考慮說像這種非 |
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就是因為特殊的物種像梅花鹿包括米紅他侵害農作物造成的這些損失我們要用什麼方式來協助這個我想也農委員給我們一點時間我們在內部去討論因為討論如果說確定可以的話我們就要編列相關的經費 |
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15190.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
15192.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
15222.13 |
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15236.455 |
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我們是用專案的方式來協助,不是用天然栽培救豬﹚您給我們的回覆是沒有嗎?會,我們會來處理啊,因為我之前一個棍委員說過,我們不能用天然栽培救豬,但是我們會來用專案的方式﹚因為帆布也是屬於養豬設施的一環啊,尤其我們鄉下找紅嘛,這部長很清楚嘛,這部分希望能夠正視這個問題,那部長針對 |
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15267.802 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
這一個問題就是針對我們一直在質詢所謂同產計作物的這個救助的部分部長有答應說要研議那目前研議的方向我跟委員報告就天然災害救助的辦法我們未來一定是每年1月1號1月就會公告新的方法那我們現在正在處理兩個議題包括您所關心的這些同產計或是長期作物的產期另外一個就是現在在救助的金額 |
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15286.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
因為有些作物的產量、金額已經很久沒調了。我們會重新計算它的生產成本去做一些調整。大概我們11月底內部會討論。然後我們最慢12月中旬就會確認公布。好,那麻煩再給我們辦公室一份資料。好,謝謝。請傅坤祺委員不在,請張雅琳委員質詢。 |
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15309.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
15338.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
謝謝主席。我們有請部長。請陳部長。好。部長好。我想要先請教一個問題喔。因為剛剛我看到那個綠烈溪大局嘛齁。我想問一下在綠烈溪我們到底它算是野生動物呢還是算是動保法管轄的?應該是外來種吧。外來種。入侵種應該叫入侵種。入侵種。那它算是野保法還是動保法來管啊? |
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15351.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
應該是野保法?就是我們,你們可不可以回答一下吧?我們已經依照那個野保法31條公告為那個外來入侵種,所以現在在處理。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
根據野保法根據野保法他是野保法我覺得這個野保法今天雖然是要討論動保法但我想野保法跟動保法的界限我之前的質詢一直是非常不清楚的所以因為待會我會分享一個案例因為我也分不清楚這到底為什麼是用動保法來處置 |
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| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
所以我們剛剛確定了綠列型在野保法那梅花鹿也在野保法嗎?對不對?他們造成的農損梅花鹿不一樣,梅花鹿是被界定為家畜所以它不是動保法也不是野保法 |
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15391.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
15395.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
15408.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
15436.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
就是說我們現在呢造成農損的因為其實之前也有一些新聞嘛就是有遊蕩犬貓造成了非常大量的農損就是雞被吃光了然後或者是說有人受傷害了人在這個過程之中車禍因為遊蕩犬他為了閃接遊蕩犬貓就他車禍了那我想問一下就是說上次我其實跟部長在討論說部長有說在生態樂區首先我們先來處理生態樂區是禁止餵養的 |
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15437.409 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
15440.972 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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15447.95 |
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15472.151 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
但是他有說因為樂區並不是法律用詞所以針對餵食的行為如果導致環境污染地方政府就可以用廢清法來進行開罰至於保護區則有相關法規依據可能由內政部或地方政府公告禁止餵食這是他的回應那我想要了解我們目前有沒有相關的規劃進度來真的落實呢 |
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15472.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
15490.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
我跟委員報告的確我們在處理這些流浪犬的部分還有跟野生動物之間的關係禁止維養是事主的重要責任那一旦禁止一定要有法有法可罰啦但是現在是因為在熱區我們找不到法 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
15490.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
15491.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容。 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
15509.497 |
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15527.009 |
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那這個部分我想我們應該可以立即來處理我我跟應該跟黃委員講大概幾個月之內就會提供相關一個月之內就會提供相關一個月之內嗎那也麻煩提到我們好我再提供給委員因為我想因為剛剛有講四組責任這件事情就是說因為其實已經有一些判例啦有一些判例是說 |
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15542.68 |
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他可能是養在外面,他就是把他養在馬路上面就造成了這個有人車禍死亡等等的這個判例就歸罪說就歸因回說這個其實是有人飼養的 |
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15544.221 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
15546.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
15563.579 |
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15589.252 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
我們可不可以來做這件事情呢?對,我想非常謝謝委員的提醒就是我們收集了一些在判例的部分針對你如果沒有做好你的事主的責任的時候你還是會觸犯了相關的法律包括餵養的部分這個部分我想我們收集案例以後去宣導可能更有效果但是其實現在已經有一些判例了啦那我自己覺得說因為其實不管是檢察院的報告也好媒體的報導也好因為它的確造成了 |
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15594.173 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
擬具:「動物保護法部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
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還是非常重要必須要做進一步的去宣導好嗎還有這些法是不是也可以把它扣回去在修法的部分那再來就是說我在這次的修法上面也有看到就是有提到有些委員有提這個山豬釣的版本那我不曉得說農業部的立場是怎麼樣因為在野保法上面是沒有山豬釣的 |
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15635.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
15637.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法部分條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
15651.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
15653.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
15672.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
15678.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法修正草案．及動物保護法 |
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| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
及動物保護法部分條文修正草案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
15725.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
就是回到我剛剛講的齁我覺得很奇妙的問題一個奇妙的狀態齁就11月初呢彰化發生民眾闖入佛寺並且驅趕了室內的數百隻台灣葉比蝙蝠導致數十隻的蝙蝠掉落死亡最後是以動保法開罰欸動保法開罰一萬五到七萬五預計啦預計要開罰那這就顯示說動保法跟野保法之間還是會有一些問題嘛到底哪些因為現在 |
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兩部法規寵物、經濟動物、食人動物、保育類、野生動物都有一些相關的法則來避免不當的侵擾但是如果不在野保法裡面規定的野生動物保育區內的野生動物受到不當騷擾的時候他無法可管耶最後我們就變成用動保法來管我跟委員報告這個新聞可能後面的處罰可能還有一些疑義因為要用動保法的話就是一定是要人為飼養的 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
15762.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
15764.878 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
部分條文修正草案．及動物保護法規劃內容．及動物保護法規劃內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
15784.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
15786.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規劃內容及動物保護法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
15802.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
15819.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
的一些競合的部分我們會更清楚的釐清因為野保法已經進到立法院了動保法可能在12月就進來我希望說在修法的過程中就能夠把它釐清所以我們會盡快的去處理這個我最後爭取一件事情因為在動保法修法的時候我們是不是可以有一些野生動物團、野保法的團體 |
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15820.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
15829.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
一起來做一些討論呢?因為這樣子才可以知道說我改來這個到野保法可能會影響到哪些部分才能確保一體性﹖好謝謝不好意思張委員這個可以嗎?我知道我知道我是說我們是不是可以一起來討論?好謝謝 |
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15845.747 |
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15864.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
請陳冠廷陳冠廷陳冠廷委員不在請紅夢凱紅夢凱紅夢凱委員不在請徐巧欣徐巧欣徐巧欣委員不在請徐欣盈徐欣盈徐欣盈委員不在請陳亞陳倫培陳倫陳培宇陳培宇陳培宇委員不在 |
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15870.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
15894.893 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
當屆發言的委員除了不在場的外其餘的均已發言完畢。詢答結束由委員徐欣盈、邱益盈、張家俊、陳冠廷、邱志偉所提的書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報。書面質詢和未來的及答覆的部分請相關單位於一週以內書面答覆並複製本會。本日討論的事項 |
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15902.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
所列的動物保護法修正草案,詢答完畢,另定其審查。謝謝大家,現在上會。 |
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16256 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16256 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-12 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-13T08:30:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-13T12:56:00+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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