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| 會議時間 |
2024-11-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查「貨物稅條例」11案：
(一)行政院函請審議、本院台灣民眾黨黨團、委員張智倫等17人、委員賴士葆等26人、委員蔡其昌等18人、委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等19人、委員陳冠廷等23人、委員陳菁徽等16人、委員賴惠員等18人分別擬具「貨物稅條例第十二條條文修正草案」等9案。【行政院函請審議及本院委員賴惠員等18人提案如經院會復議，則不予審查】
(二)本院委員顏寬恒等16人擬具「貨物稅條例第十二條及第十二條之三條文修正草案」案。
(三)本院委員郭國文等16人擬具「貨物稅條例第十二條及第十二條之六條文修正草案」案。
二、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案有關財政部及所屬單位歲入預算部分。（僅詢答）
三、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案有關財政部、國庫署、財政資訊中心歲出預算部分。（僅詢答）
四、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分有關財政部主管債務基金－中央政府債務基金。（僅詢答）
【11月13日及14日二天一次會】） |
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陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠� |
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蔡其昌等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員陳菁� |
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好,現在請主任秘書報告委員會出席的人數報告委員會出席委員與主法定人數好,謝謝因為今日的議程大家有不同的意見所以就是說我們暫時不確定議事錄那過去在財政委員會裡頭其實也有不確定議事錄的這個情況那就繼續開會的一個例子 |
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等一下聽我講完聽我講完像那個羅明財還是鄭明忠擔任召委的時候曾經發生過這樣的情況那我們的審查報告基本上已經送出去了那是不是還要再確定這個議事錄我覺得也沒有特別大的一個意義最主要是我們今天好好的來開會那現在我們開始開會 |
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等一下等一下等一下等一下我們現在開始開會齁我請議事人員宣布第6次第6次的那個會議的那個議事錄立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議議事錄時間中華民國113年11月4日星期一9時至22時30分中華民國113年11月6日星期三9時至93分地點766樓大禮堂出席委員、代會員等14人列席委員 |
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鄭堅才等85人、列席官員113名11月4號星期一財政部部長莊翠穎等113名11月6號星期三財政部部長莊翠穎等主席陳昭紀委員益臻討論事項繼續審查財政收支劃分法二十二案一本院台灣民眾黨黨團以及財政收支劃分法修正草案案 |
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二、本院國民黨黨團、委員劉明財等23人、委員林思明等20人、委員瞿宇震等16人、委員黃孟凱等22人、委員丁學中等17人、委員羅廷維等19人分別拟據財政收支劃分法部分條人修正草案等7案三、本院委員伍麗華等17人拟據財政收支劃分法第3條條人修正草案四、本院委員陳玉珍等24人、委員鄭振銓等21人分別拟據財政收支劃分法第8條條人修正草案等2案五、本院委員黃建豪等21人拟據財政收支劃分法第8條及第12條條人 |
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六、本院委員黃宏威等24人擬拒財政收支劃分法第8條、第12條及第30條條人修正草案七、本院委員陳昌明等17人、委員邱振均等19人分別擬拒財政收支劃分法第8條、第12條及第16條之1條人修正草案等2案八、本院委員賴睿洋等16人、委員蔡毅等16人分別擬拒財政收支劃分法第16條之1條人修正草案等2案九、本院委員賴士葆等29人擬拒財政收支劃分法第16條之2 |
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第37條之二及第38條之二條人修正草案10本院委員賴士寶等20人、委財政收支劃分法第38條之一條人修正草案11本院委員張家俊等27人、委財政收支劃分法第4條、第8條及第12條條人修正草案12本院委員楊雄英等32人、委財政收支劃分法第8條及第37條條人修正草案13本院委員鄭天才等18人、委財政收支劃分法增訂第30條之一及第30條之二條人修正草案主席宣告 |
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李恩秀委員及高金素美委員修正動議先前向本期表示要撤案就不予宣讀本日國民黨黨、國民黨團委員同意以國民黨黨團的財政收支劃分法修正提案作為討論依據決議一、第三條、第四條、第八條、第十二條、第十六條之一及第三十條條文以及附表一、附表二均保留算用戶處理二、國民黨黨團、委員吳立華等17人、委員賴薇蓉等16人 |
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委員蔡玉儀等16人分別擬具財政收支劃分法修正草案以上個案審查完畢並按擬具審查報告提報院會討論院會討論前需交由黨團協商院會討論時由陳昭吉委員益臻補充說明宣傳筆 |
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好,請問各位委員對議事錄有沒有意義?那請問各位委員對議事錄?好,民進黨有意義?好,那我們是不是針對著民進黨團在第11屆第2會期的財委會第6次全體委員會的會議一案的審查程序嚴重的違反立法院 |
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2257.916 |
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執權形式化那立法院議事規則等如說明下面本次會議審查的結果應屬無效且本次的會議議事錄未依規定記載應不予確定那反對好國民黨反對那是馬委員你反對那好 |
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好那顯然就是國民黨跟民進黨的兩兆的這個意見是不同的那我們現在就是表決我們進入表決好來我們來表決就是民進黨民進黨的這個提案來請問贊成的請舉手 |
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我們針對的對贊成請舉手本委員會的齁贊成的齁贊成的對贊成那個我們民進黨對贊成的是5票反對的請舉手 |
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本委員會的本委員會的同仁是好反對的是7票那我們的好那我們就是確定這個議事錄那個第6次的議事錄那就是我們就是 |
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第6次的議事錄有沒有意義? |
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主席在這裡再補宣告我們的這一個提案是民進黨的提案是沒有通過的是沒有通過的那我們就繼續確定第6次議案 |
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一、議事錄第6次議事錄確定不要急不要急這個有協商過了大家就順著走因為最重要就是要開會是要開會好那我們的第6次議事錄是確定的是確定的那是不是我們繼續就是第7次的那個宣讀第7次的那個會議議事錄宣讀 |
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請先讀啊立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議事錄時間中華民國113年11月11日星期一9時至17時30分地點清泉路9樓大禮堂出席人林德武等14人、列席委員黃國昌等27人、列席官員行政院常務副秘書長李國興、行政院主席總署主席長陳淑芝、審計部審計長陳若敏、行政院人事總署人事長蘇俊榮 |
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等主席賴昭景委員會員討論事項一、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總議事案有關主計總署暨審計部審計部台北市審計處審計部新北市審計處審計部桃園市審計處審計部台中市審計處審計部台南市審計處審計部高雄市審計處二、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總議事案有關直轄市及縣市政府調整軍工價人員待遇準備災害準備金、第二預備金其他事項針對 |
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2462.213 |
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2480.844 |
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案有針對本院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議一案之審查程序嚴重違反立法院執行刑事法、立法院議事規則等如說明本次會議審查結果應屬無效且本次會議議事錄位於規定記載應不已確定說明依法案之審查依據立法院執行刑事法第9條第二項規則宣讀完畢請問各位委員對議事錄有沒有異議 |
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請問各位委員對議事錄有沒有異議第7次的沒有異議那就是議事錄確定那就是請議事人員先讀今日的議程 |
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討論事項：一、審查《貨物稅條例》11案：一、行政院函請審議、本院台灣民眾黨黨團、委員張智倫等17人、委員賴士葆等26人、委員蔡其昌等18人、委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等19人、委員陳冠廷等23人、委員陳菁徽等16人、委員賴慧仁等18人分別擬據《貨物稅條例》第12條條例修正草案等9案 |
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二、本院委員顏寬恩等16人以據以貨物稅條例第12條及第12條之3條人修正查案三、本院委員郭國仁等16人以據以貨物稅條例第12條及第12條之6條人修正查案二、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案有關財政部及所屬單位稅率預算部分三、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案有關財政部、國庫署、財政資訊中心稅出預算部分四、 |
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2567.244 |
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審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算、非營業部分有關財政部主管債務基金、中央政府債務基金宣討完畢好 謝謝首先我先介紹我們在場的委員第一位我們介紹李坤城委員吳秉瑞委員 |
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2588.68 |
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2612.144 |
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王世堅委員吳立華委員吳思瑤委員郭國文委員謝謝那我們介紹今天議會的官員齁那我們首先我們的財政部部長莊部長綜合規劃師李司長國際財政司丁司長 |
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2619.181 |
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2634.684 |
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推動促參司張司長人事處張處長會計處李處長統計處蔡處長政風處許處長法治處我們的姚處長秘書處我們的楊處長資訊小組余主任國庫署陳署長 |
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2649.608 |
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2676.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
負稅署宋署長、關務署彭署長、國有財產署我們的曾署長、財政資訊中心張主任、財新人員信念所許所長接著介紹臺北國稅局吳局長、高雄國稅局翁局長、北區國稅局李局長、 |
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2677.796 |
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2706.311 |
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中區國稅局我們的樓局長南區國稅局李局長接著介紹台灣金控國營有限公司林董事長還有我們四總經理台灣銀行我們的吳總經理台灣人壽、台銀人壽、台銀人壽保險公司張董事長 |
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2709.059 |
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2732.91 |
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劉總經理臺銀綜合證券股份有限公司徐董事長臺銀綜合證券股份有限公司徐董事長臺銀綜合證券股份有限公司徐董事長臺銀綜合證券股份有限公司徐董事長臺銀綜合證券股份有限公司徐董事長臺銀綜合證券股份有限公司徐董事長臺銀綜合證券股份有限公司徐董事長臺銀綜合證券股份有限公司徐董事長臺銀綜合證券股份有限公司徐董事長臺� |
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2750.491 |
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趙鋒金控我們的董瑞斌董董事長我們的蕭總經理趙鋒國際商業銀行我們的黃永珍黃總經理第一金控我們的邱董事長還有方總經理 |
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2767.642 |
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2795.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
然後第一商業銀行我們的李嘉祥李總經理華蘭金控陳董事長還有我們的李總經理還有我們華蘭商業銀行我們的黃總經理合作金庫金融金控董事長林董事長還有我們的蘇總經理 |
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2798.328 |
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2826.763 |
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那合作金庫我們的王總經理張華銀行胡董事長周總經理台灣中小企業銀行我們的劉佩珍劉董事長李總經理那接著介紹中國輸出入銀行我們的理事主席、代理事主席那我們的謝總經理 |
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2830.595 |
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介紹我們的台灣煙酒股份有限公司我們的湯董事長、湯祺安董事長還有我們的賴總經理財政部印刷廠王廠長接著我們再介紹官貿網路協會那個我們的張董事長還有高總經理 |
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2861.072 |
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2887.303 |
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中央債保險股份有限公司李董事、李一芬董事全序部我們檢任計和蔡兵士交通部公共運輸及監理師檢任計政王基洲檢任計政衛福部我們的社家屬我們的游組長 |
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2890.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2913.942 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
經濟部產花署我們的副署長、周副署長環境部大氣環境司檢任計政、李檢任計政行政院主計總處我們的黃專門委員法務部法治司、調部辦司檢察官、楊檢察官 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2916.769 |
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2944.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
好,接著我們來補介紹那個在場的國民黨的委員那那個陳一貞、陳昭偉好,羅明財、羅委員顏寬恆、顏委員賴士寶、賴委員還有王宏威、王委員那也介紹我們的林德虎、林委員還有介紹陳清輝、陳委員 |
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2947.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2950.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
好,再補介紹我們的蔡議員、蔡委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2956.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2969.279 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
委員張智倫等17人、委員賴士葆等26人、委員蔡其昌等18人、委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等19人、委員陳冠廷等23人、委員陳慶輝等16人及委員賴慧妍等18人分別擬據《貨物稅條例》第12條條文修正草案第9案 |
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2984.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
3004.165 |
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二、委員顏康恆等16人、拟據《貨物稅條例》第12條及第12條之3條文修正草案那第三、委員郭國文等16人、拟據《貨物稅條例》第12條及第12條之6條文修正草案 |
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3005.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
3029.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
中華民國114年中央政府總預算案有關財政部及所屬單位稅入預算部分及財政部國庫署財政資訊中心稅出的預算部分中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算會營業部分有關財政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
3031.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
3057.873 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
主管債務基金、中央政府債務基金將先請提案黨團代表、委員說明提案要旨之後再請財政部莊部長說明預算內容及提案的要旨並回應黨團委員的提案內容首先我們先請民眾黨黨團代表黃珊珊委員說明提案的要旨 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
3058.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
3065.293 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
黃珊珊委員黃珊珊委員黃珊珊委員不在那我們請賴士寶委員說明提案的要旨賴士寶委員我們一樣都是3分鐘謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
3079.715 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
3094.071 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
謝謝主席以及各位行政那麼本席針對今天要審的法案貨物稅第12條提出修正那我們看到這個稅法我們財政部老師玩這種把戲都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
3095.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
3112.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠� |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
3120.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
3120.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
朱鑑林、朱鑑林 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
3135.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
3151.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
他們早就因應就因應了需要這樣子嗎?如果你要這樣子我都主張乾脆一次到位就不要再說什麼一次到到121年12月31日乾脆就是forever否則的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
3152.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
3168.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
我的提案是把地底盤的公共汽車、天然氣的公共汽車、油電混合動力公共汽車、電動公共汽車這些都是比較屬於商業行為的拿掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
3169.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
3193.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
我們希望延長的只是為了我們的身心障礙者所以我的提案只針對身心障礙者的護光巴士給他再延他的免稅減稅、免稅這是我的提案跟財政部的一個很大的不同財政部等很長很長後了事實上我們已經延了這麼多次了 |
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3194.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
3215.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
那應該有的效果都有了啦現在來講的話還在靠這個我們的還要再靠我們的貨物稅降稅啊我覺得在商言商啊其實是沒有必要的我們就是我的焦點就是希望照顧弱勢團體而不是照顧一般的業者好不好請各位指教與支持謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
3220.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
3222.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
主席、各位委員貨物稅條例第12條提案說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
3248.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
3258.949 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
有助於我國已經邁入高齡社會為打造無障礙、友善、高齡長者乘車環境讓身心障礙、行動不便者能夠自立生活 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
3261.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
3277.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
您延長購買副鋼巴士及符合載運輪椅使用之車輛免徵貨物稅台灣於2018年及正式踏入高齡社會65歲以上老年人口佔人口比例達14.05% |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
3279.736 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
3307.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
而國發會預估2025年台灣將會成為超高齡社會老齡人口佔總超過20%那我國人口老化速度是全球之最那隨著高齡人口增加對我國社會經濟等方面的影響也會隨之浮現那需要投入更多資源支持老年醫療保健福利那也將會面臨更多高齡者照顧問題 |
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3309.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
3315.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
3336.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
3356.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
提出修法延長復康巴士及符合載運輪椅使用之車輛免徵貨物稅實施期間另外針對第12條之3修正條文為鼓勵民眾購買電動車減少二氧化碳的排放達成台灣2030年碳排減半2050近年碳排的目標緩延續電動車免徵貨物稅以上說明 |
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3364.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
3377.711 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
好 謝謝那我們接著請郭公委員說明提案要旨郭公委員、郭公委員、郭公委員不在那請張智倫委員說明提案要旨 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
3379.685 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
3399.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
張智倫、張智倫、張智倫委員不在那請蔡其昌委員說明提案要旨蔡其昌委員、蔡其昌委員、蔡其昌委員不在那請陳冠廷委員說明提案要旨陳冠廷、陳冠廷、陳冠廷委員不在那我們接著請陳慶惠委員說明提案要旨 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
3411.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
3432.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
謝謝主席、各位委員、各位官員本則我本身醫療還有社福的背景所以說明提案要指如下在現今的社會呢縱使我們的醫療科技已經非常的創新且進步但是本席針對偏鄉醫療的照顧仍要面對遠近的考驗這件事情還有許多想法 |
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3432.677 |
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3451.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
原因是因為這些偏鄉的醫療就醫可進性還有醫療的量能遠遠不及我們的都市環境2025年是我們台灣即將邁入超高齡社會的deadline伴隨高齡化、身心障礙、長者人數增加的照顧需求政府不只是要跟時間賽跑 |
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3452.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
3475.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
更要在這個僅存的時間內盡速的改善偏鄉地區交通還有就醫不便的情形透過這次的貨物稅法修法將富康巴士免徵貨物稅期限本期希望延長至118年的年底期盼能更縮短偏鄉身障者還有醫療資源的距離持續的建構無障礙友善的環境謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
3478.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
3485.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
好 謝謝 那接著我們請民眾黨黨團代表黃珊珊委員說明提案的要旨 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
3494.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
3518.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
謝謝主席我想為了實現2050年的淨零碳排的目標行政院最重要的戰略其中就是今年起開始推動643億的2030年的客運車量電動化推動計畫除了補助的客運業者購車還納入了維修建置維修保養體系那載客的營運補助還有路網的優化等配套及經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
3519.651 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
3546.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
但是過去我國為了無障礙跟環保的目標有針對特定公共汽車免徵貨物稅那今年年底相關的負稅又會到期恐怕會影響淨零碳排的政策所以台灣民眾黨提案修正的貨物稅條例將低底盤公車還有非石化能源公車比如說天然氣、電動車、氫能車、油電混合車都列入免稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
3547.549 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
3561.436 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
免徵貨物稅優惠延長到2030年打造台灣更高品質、更低汙染的公共運輸服務另外,台灣即將進入超高齡社會長照服務的照顧需求日漸增長 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
3563.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
3589.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
為了顧及身心障礙者他的舊衣等交通的出行的需求友善無障礙的乘車環境我們也提案延長購買富康巴士免徵貨物稅的期限另外還有近年老舊的遊覽車死傷的事故頻傳我們還有很多上千輛的老舊的大客車不能忽視這些老舊遊覽車的重大安全隱患也希望鼓勵業者負責任能夠加速汰換 |
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3590.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
3609.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
確保國人的生命安全還有觀光旅遊的品質所以我們提納稅者權利保護依照納稅者權利保護法第6條第1項規定希望增訂貨物稅第7項的規定明定自本條文生效日起實施免徵大客車貨物稅5年的計劃以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
3611.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
3620.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
好 謝謝那我們接著請財政部莊部長說明並請部長檢要的那個回應黨團跟委員的提案內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
3628.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
3656.949 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
主席、各位委員先進大家好貴委員會今天審查114年度本部及所屬稅務預算以及本部還有國庫署以及財政資訊中心的稅出預算以及中央政府債務基金的附屬單位預算那麼我們應邀前來列席報告那麼以下僅就幾個重點為各位報告首先以前年度的施政計畫的實施成果請各位參閱我們的報告附錄一那在114年度的施政計畫的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
3657.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
3684.037 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
第1個是健全政府財政、厚植財政能量第2個我們會優化稅制、創新稅政營造優質的負稅環境第3數位創新科技的查緝然後我們提升通關安全以及便捷第4多元運用國家的資產來提升資產活化的效益第5我們運用促參多元的模式擴大公共建設的量能來提升公共服務的品質以及效率 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
3684.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
3701.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
第6我們會創新資通信科技以及應用然後精進人工智慧的加值效益那在113年度我們主管稅入以及稅出預算的執行情形為各位報告在稅入預算的執行部分本部主管的113年度稅入預算數新台幣2兆3640.29億元到10月底為止累計的實收數是2兆4939億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
3711.665 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
3717.107 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
佔分配預算數的116.34%主要是所得稅以及證交稅交預期所收取的數比預期來得高在稅出預算執行的部分本部主管的113年度稅出預算數是1763億那到今年10月底累計執行數是1348.7佔分配預算數的92.83% |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
3738.594 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
3751.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
執行情形尚屬正常那在114年度主管稅入還有稅出預算的編列情形在稅入預算編列的部分本部所主管的114年度稅入預算總共編列的是兩兆8198億那麼比113年度的預算數是增加了4558億大約是有19.28%其中稅客收入增加4599億元營業營餘及事業收入增加3.41億 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
3767.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
3786.053 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
那麼財產收入是減少45億元規費還有罰賠款以及其他收入是增加了0.37億元請各位參閱我們的報告第4頁到第8頁及第15頁以及付表3在稅出預算的編列情形本部主管的114年度稅出預算總共編列1734億元比113年度減少了29.4億元 |
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3792.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
3816.842 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
點39億元主要是減少了地方政府的統籌分配稅款減少補助以及新增加的海關再造計劃等等那另外在財政部以及國庫署還有財政資訊中心稅數預算的編列情形我請做概要的報告在財政部的部分我們是編列了134億元主要是依照公教人員保險法第5條的規定對公教人員保險、養老給付還有國庫、增資、中國輸出入銀行 |
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3820.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
3834.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
以及繳納中美洲銀行增資股款在我們國庫署的部分是編列了1143億元主要是國債付息還有經理以及地方政府統籌分配稅款短燒補助撕裂菸品的茶器等作業經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
3836.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
3859.35 |
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在我們財政資訊中心的部分是編列22億元主要是國稅資訊系統的永續發展計畫以及次世代的稅務服務雲端平台建構計畫以及本部的共用資資料中心支援擴充計畫所需的經費在中央政府債務基金業務重點以及預算編列的情形我們編列發行公債或向金融機構舉借6690億 |
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91億元聯同中央政府總預算會暴露的債務還本收入1415億元那麼合計有8106億元全數支應年度內到期以及未到期的債務還本所需那麼本期的剩餘是201萬餘元以上的報告敬請各位委員會與支持以及指教 |
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那麼接下來為各位報告的也就是今天貴委員會要審查行政院函請審議的貨物稅條例第12條條文的修正草案以及大院、民眾黨團還有多位委員所凝聚的貨物稅條例的相關條文修正草案等11案請作簡要報告有關行政院函請審議的修正草案我們的修正重點以及效益就是我國將邁向超高齡社會為了鼓勵民眾 |
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民間的單位捐贈以及營運的單位購買復康巴士以及載運輪椅使用者的車輛那麼照顧身心障礙者以及行動不便的人士行的需求我們延長購買復康巴士以及購買輪椅使用者車輛免徵貨物稅 |
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的措施延長5年到118年12月31號那麼有力建構一個無障礙友善的乘車環境這是主要的效益那麼第二部分就是配合2030年的客運車輛電動化的推動計畫購買低底盤的公共汽車、天然氣公共汽車、油電混合電力公共汽車等 |
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非電動公共汽車免徵貨物稅的措施不再延長實施期間至於電動公共汽車則依現行貨物稅條例第12條之3的規定可以免徵貨物稅那這個部分將有助於達成2050年淨零排放的政策目標 |
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那麼有關大院民眾黨團以及各委員所提的貨物稅條例相關條文的修正草案我們主要說明如下民眾黨團以及各委員所提案延長購買富康巴士以及載運輪椅使用者車輛免徵貨物稅的意旨和行政院的版本是相同的那麼其中民眾黨團還有張智倫委員等還有賴慧媛委員等以及賴思寶委員等所分 |
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分別提案延長6年、7年、8年的部分那麼是根據主管機關衛福部以及交通部的評估延長5年可以達成合理的政策目的為了資源的有效利用配置那麼所以我們建議還是延長實施期間是5年另外有關民眾黨團還有張智倫委員等還有蔡其昌委員等陳冠廷委員等以及賴慧媛委員等所提案延長購買公共汽車免徵貨物稅措施的年限部分為了避免 |
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非電動公共汽車和電動公共汽車同享免稅的優惠那麼會影響到公車全面電動化的政策推動期程所以我們建議公共汽車的免稅優惠所以不宜延長至於電動公共汽車可以依照現行的貨物稅條例第12條之3的規定就可以免增貨物稅了不需要特別的規定 |
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第三個部分就是民眾黨團所提案新增的輕能公共汽車以及太舊換新15年以上大客車免徵貨物稅以及顏寬恆委員等提案第12條之3的電動公共汽車減免免徵貨物稅措施延長4年到11、8年的12月31號以及郭國委員等16人所提案的第12條之6把 |
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第4期的大型柴油車納入太舊換新減增貨物稅的範圍由於涉及到新增租稅優惠或者延長租稅優惠的實施期間那麼依由主管機關交通部還有經濟部以及環境部依財政紀律法第6條以及納稅者權力保護法第6條的規定在做通盤的審慎評估它的必要性、可行性以及有效性以上的報告及說明敬請各位委員指教也建議會議支持行政院的版本謝謝 |
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賴慧卿、賴慧卿、賴慧卿、賴慧卿 |
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那今日那個上午10點我們10點我們截止花園的一個登記那現在依序登記的一個順序請登記第一位林德虎委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席是不是請那個財政部莊部長好請莊部長委員好部長你好部長我請教因為對於台美租稅協定的推動時程本席多次也在財委會這個質詢請教部長我想以下有幾個問題想請教部長 |
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因為第一個就是美國大選川普勝選那參眾兩院席次極有可能是共和黨完全執政那你說財政部會密切聯繫ADTA進展那美國大選後會有進一步的這個 |
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進步啦進度啦那請問你認為川普勝選對ADTA推動有機會加速嗎跟委員報告台美之間洽簽ADTA這個事情是民間的企業還有個人在做跨境投資跟營運的時候非常關切的事情因為這可以解決超額稅負以及雙重課稅的問題 |
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所以這麼多年來他們都非常的關注那麼在美國的部分不管是他們的行政部門以及國會是跨黨派都是支持這個案那支持你認為會停職還是會不會因為川普當選以後有負面的變數會不會 |
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剛剛我說過這個其實在國會是跨黨派都支持你看在眾議院的時候都無意義的通過在參院的時候因為是包裹法案是另外一個法案的一些細節的部分有部分委員有爭議所以以至於我們包裹在裡面這個案子沒有辦法往前推進那至於後續的推進的進度我想我們財政部會跟外交部 |
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以及駐美代表處會持續的一直去做相關的一些關切以及瞭解那我們財政部跟美方的行政部門其實一直就技術面的工作是一直在進行當中因為雙方的稅法必須要進一步的釐清跟瞭解那對未來恰恰ADTA都可以有一些幫助跟加快進展 |
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部長就本期了解共和黨參眾院兩位議員則質疑拜登政府的宣布是出於政治考量並非真正致力於提供快速的稅務減免那請問共和黨完全執政之後你對ADTA推動你有什麼看法 |
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剛剛也提過就是跨黨派基本都支持這個案那當然有部分那個國會議員對於拜登政府在10月28、29號的時候有提的一份聲明也就是希望能夠加快這個ADTA的一個洽簽這個部分 |
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我想這是他們國內的一些政治上的一些議題但是不管是跨黨派的議員或者行政部門以及民間的企業台美雙方民間企業以及個人跨境投資上對這個案子都是殷切的期盼我想這個部分對於推進上是有助力的 |
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那個部長因為民主黨變成在野之後會不會像去年在野的共和黨繼續拿這個美台租稅協定當作政治上的籌碼會不會我想這個部分他們國內政治我們沒有辦法去做評論是部長是 |
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川普在美國大選期間曾提出對盟友和競爭對手課徵高關稅以保護美國的經濟台灣至於是美國堅定的盟友但是盟友被剝削、出賣也不是沒有先例我請問部長 |
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財政部有沒有評估過川普高關稅政策成真對台灣到底有沒有什麼影響跟委員報告就是說當然新當選的川普總統在競選期間 |
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所一些政見那最後到他就任以後是1月20號以後對於這些政見如何落實在他的政策以及在時程上的推估這個目前來說我們是持續密切的觀察那我問請教政府你們有沒有什麼因應啊這個並且協助國內這些產業與民生經濟你們有沒有想法 |
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政府部門因應國際間的一些政經情勢的變化事實上是一直都在關切以及有相關的一些因應的措施比如說在產業的部分淨零數位的雙升級這些轉軸以及對於市場的一些擴大我想這個部分政府是一直都在做的那因應為了新的變局當然也會有新的做法 |
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因為媒體報導有學者研判美國會單邊來推動貿易政策而且自由貿易已死川普追求公平貿易但公平標準由美國他們來定義以下有幾個問題我來請教部長 |
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學者對川普未來貿易政策的看法本席認為或許本來就是進行式只不過川普上任後是不是會加速推動川普的高關稅政策更是呼應兩年前台積電創辦人張忠謀表示 |
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4507.512 |
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全球化已死的看法那我請問部長張忠謀一再重生全球全球化已死到底對台有哪些產業有利有哪些產業不利您的看法勒 |
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跟委員報告當然這個貿易政策上的一些變動當然會跟產業的布局會有關係那也就是剛剛委員剛剛所提它事實上是一個進行式那我們在產業的布局上其實您也知道供應鏈都在重組那在一些出口的數據上都產生一些變化不管是出口的市場上也都有一些很不同的一些消長我想這個部分一定大家會因應著這個整體國際經濟情勢而做相關的調整 |
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部長因為近年來台灣對美國的出口和順差都在增加當中那川普深信如果要吸引企業回流美國就必須對美國所有進口品來加徵關稅 |
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那再搭配國內減稅的政策請問部長川普高關稅的政策是不是會對台灣出口美國來發生這個衝擊會不會我想一個國家任何的一個貿易政策對於其他國家尤其經貿往來密切的都會有一些影響那這幾年其實我們看 |
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主要市場在美國市場上其實是都有說上升而在我們在中國大陸及香港的部分是事實上是減的也就因應整個國際情勢的變化供應鏈會做調整那出口的市場也好貨品也好都會有一些不同的一些變化那這幾年因為AI的一個興起所以我們在資通訊跟 |
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視聽產品的部分事實上是應運這個情勢而上升的是非常快的在這個部分是成長的幅度是非常高的那你認為會不會發生全球關稅壁壘 |
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這個部分我覺得應該持續的觀察部長美國高關稅政策恐怕難逃過因為中國商務部上個月又指控台灣對中國貿易限制措施構成貿易壁壘按照財政部統計今年 |
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前三季我國對中國和香港的出口占我們出口比重31.2%對美國的出口占我們出口的比重24.1%部長5乘5以上國內出口的占比都是在美國跟中國兩國那請問你認為國內出口商要怎麼樣來因應到底財政部有沒有 |
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估計會有哪些稅損有沒有 你們有沒有估計過這個部分跟稅損的關係以及產業之間怎麼樣在調整第一個產業的主管機關是經濟部那他們會這個部分也有國貿署他們會做這個部分那你們有未雨綢繆嗎我們的業與綢繆當然就本部的業務部分我們會就進出口的一些數據海關所收集的這些數據它的貨品的種類 |
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以及出口市場主要的一些消長的情形可以做分析做調可以提供給產業主管機關以及產業做一些參考資料那你也知道像我們在東協的部分事實上也有所成長所以這個市場上事實上它是在變動的 |
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那個部長如果全球化已死是事實現在有個名詞叫做全球在地化以下有幾個問題我來請教部長對於全球在地化你有什麼看法 |
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全球在地化我覺得這個是各個國家所採取的政策那至於在相關的產業成本上會有什麼樣的一個變動我覺得產業會去做更好的一個調試跟估算台灣的產業想要在全世界做生意雖然加入區域經濟組織和簽署自由貿易協定有必要但是這些年台灣與其他國家洽簽的自由貿易協定 |
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這個看得出來困難度非常的高那部長如果全球在地化逐漸成為各地經濟的模式請問你認為大型產業、中小型產業應該要怎麼樣去因應呢? |
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跟對外簽訂所謂自由貿易協定這個是由我們經貿辦公室在做主政那至於產業對於有關全球產業的在地化這個部分的因應其實我們台灣就是一個供應鏈其實是一個非常完整不是一個單一的某一家公司某一個產業事實上它的上下游其實都有關聯的 |
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因為因應變局政府推動各個時代產業的轉型有其必要但是要因應全球在地化請問部長你認為未來 |
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各類型產業是不是多半會趨向大者恆大本席瞭解除了金融業有多家成立控股公司金融併購逐漸變多之外上市櫃公司也越來越多是集團公司或成立投資控股公司 |
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請問你認為中小企業是不是只能依附大型企業才能夠生存又或者你認為其他的方式可以生存有什麼方式中小企業有中小企業它的一個靈活度跟彈性它生存當然還有它的生存的一個存在價值這樣喔是好 其他我下次再問謝謝德湖委員接著請吳秉瑞委員發言 |
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主席麻煩請財政部莊部長好 莊部長謝謝委員部長早今天看到媒體有報導說今年的預算的實收數已經超過今年本來應該要徵收的預算數 |
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而且超過不少還有估計說今年至少光中央的部分會超過時增數會超過預算數3000多億這個報導是正確的吧 |
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跟委員報告確實有關稅收的部分不管是全國的稅收還有中央的稅收在10月底已經達成今年度的預算數超過了不是達成而已而且超過了我們估算全年會超過的部分全國大概會超過4千億然後中央大概會超過3千億這個是大概是我們初步的估算對那今年的預算數當然是比去年 |
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顧了多3000出頭億了那也就是說今年的實收數到年底會跟明年度的預算數金額上會差不多幾乎是因為明年的稅客收入我們編的是兩兆七千億嘛兩兆七千億那今年的預算數是以中央來說兩兆三嘛加上這大概就差不多兩兆接近兩兆七千億是所以 |
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今年的GDP現在又向上調所以經濟成長率強勁台灣有可能會超過4個百分點所以我是要提醒你這個問題已經談了非常多年了下一個年度就是民國115年年度的時候你是明年的明年度的年終之前就會開始籌編嘛你那時候的預算數你會考慮再增加多一點嗎 |
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也就是說您是說在籌編1、1、5年的時候稅務預算的時候因為1、1、5年的部分要看主要是營所稅或中所稅是要看1、1、4年的一個營利事業的獲利情形我再跟你報告前天的媒體而已10月光上市歸公司的收入都破兆元了這個都媒體報導的而且是國內媒體所以我的意思是說你的估算還是會這麼的保守 |
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因為你想想看你今年實收數已經跟明年的預算數幾乎相同了那也就是說明年的GDP的成長當然啦收稅會有遞延的效果但是明年的這個GDP這樣我這樣給你預估你明年還會一樣會超過預算數很多啦 |
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當然希望就是說整體的經濟成長帶動這當然是經濟成長好但是問題是我們的財政部這個估算一直落後嘛那一直落後就讓有心人士有運作的空間 |
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說政府啊都給人家什麼用一個不對的名詞明明是時增數超過預算數他就說你超增啊還稅餘民啊這些亂七八糟亂講亂編的又都出來了我們財政部為什麼老是這幾年都一直要留下給人家這樣子講話這樣子的那個空間啊我的問題在這裡 |
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謝謝委員的指教那因為在籌編的時候會有一些時間落差比如說我們在上半年就開始籌編像今年在籌編明年的時候這講了很多遍你還沒講我都已經知道了但是我是跟你講說你今年的預算數現在要省的這個預算數就是明年度要收的你本來跟我們講說我們一口氣調高到3000多億算是很 |
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很高了嘛 對不對你當初9月來的時候在講的時候說已經很高了結果現在發現光民國113年的實收數就可能會超過104年的預算數了幾乎是相同或是超過所以你114年的實收顯然會超過預算數了我在這裡就可以跟你打賭也可以跟你斷言啦 |
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那我的意思是說你115年在編列預算的時候稅入預算的時候可不可以稍微把我們台灣的經濟成長看得稍微好一點至少把這個今年4%的這個GDP的收入再加上明年度GDP的成長再加上明年度GDP的成長也一起估算在內啊 |
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委員在在估測方面我們是確實要不斷的精進那委員剛剛的意見我們會納入然後我們在估測的時候有關GDP的成長率也都會納進去那當然就是說看法上要更作為一個積極跟正面的估算好那我再來我要跟你請教那個電商的問題 |
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美國商務部啊剛剛公佈他說去年用小額免稅或免進口的貨物主要是中國啦數量激增高達10億件進入美國10億件那這個方案在10年前提出來的時候10年前的包裹數是1.4億然後到了10年後今天變成10億也就是說他們懷疑 |
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華整為零然後一再的這個這樣子的做法應該是懷疑是一個普遍的現象所以我就請教你當然美國的免稅的額度跟我們是不一樣台灣是2000塊以下的是免稅但是你如何積增那個包裹是2000塊以下你也是看交易價格還是你是對那個帳單呢 |
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我們請署長做說明報告委員我們會看他的發票就是他會提供報單上的完稅價格那我們會核對他所提供的發票對那我舉個例子那我如果 |
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本來是要寄一萬塊的東西我把它拆成五件每一件發票都兩千塊就變成你的免稅額啊你就要知道美國商務部就是在講這個事情嘛因為他也有一個免稅額然後他那個貨物的數量膨脹得太快他認為不正常他認為說應該是會有這一種所謂的拆分的這樣子的狀況那關於拆分的狀況我們海關這邊有什麼方法可以防堵勒 |
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呃是跟委員報告那委員之前也有提示過海關就這種高價低報以及這種拆分的一個逃避關稅的一個情況要加強的一個查緝那我們都有在做比如說他是冒名的或者是冒名註冊或冒名報關或假借其他的一個人頭的方式我們都用各種的一個方式來做這個相關的查核那也蠻有績效的 |
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好那我請教你喔最近這三年因為這個包裹的通關你有增到多少關稅快遞貨物的部分大概平均大概是310億到340億之間那貨物稅跟營業稅大概是多少 |
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呃 貨物稅跟營業稅的比例呃 抱歉我這邊沒有數字沒關係那你會後再補給我齁是那完稅價格在新台幣2000塊以內的免稅免稅的案件件數總共有多少?總金額是多少?已報單每年大概5000目前大概5500萬份左右呃 這種X2的就是2000塊以下的是大概八成到八成二之間 |
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那所以金額也是非常龐大喔數量是很龐大是對那所以這個中間其實你要去查其他既要花非常多的成本也是很不容易的事情當然是是啊所以這個你們有沒有什麼方式可以針對這一方面我跟你說中國的東西當初我就反對2000塊你說因為外國都是這樣都有一個額度 |
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中國的東西是在中國生產他就用電商進來到台灣打擊台灣的製造業啊如果他免關稅免貨物稅免營業稅那台灣的製造業在台灣製造無論多少錢他都要繳這些稅 |
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用我們的制度去造成國內跟外國的不公平競爭中國的東西它現在都是底價傾銷嘛全世界都是認為它這樣啊所以你這個方式就有可能會造成一個讓它可以在中國生產然後來拼搗台灣的製造業的這個機會對我們國內的製造業不公平啊所以如果這個查緝是困難的話你這2000塊的免稅額度不能再檢討嗎 |
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為什麼我們要給他免稅呢?跟委員報告因為這個低價免稅還是世界公務組織的規範那美國現在不打算遵守怎麼樣?我們現在每次都講世界怎麼樣世界怎麼樣?因為這是全球化政策的產物川普暫時當選之後他本身就反對全球化他要公益面的重整 |
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所以這樣不公平的貿易是讓外國的製造商打擊台灣的製造業所以我是覺得有必要這個政策我請你們帶回去再研究我們有這個必要嗎在台灣我交一個坦白講我去7-11買個10塊20塊的東西我都要營業稅啊只是它是內涵而已啊那為什麼外國進來的東西外國製造的2000塊以內這些全部都免 |
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那我是傻瓜啊我在台灣做、放製造業然後讓台灣的幫台灣的這個產業的工人然後讓他們能夠就業然後花這麼多的成本然後去你們的福利你們的利潤你們的那個稅金全部都是對於這些小額貨品從外國電商來的免稅那不是幫助外國拼拼我們台灣的廠商嗎這本身也是一種不公平貿易啊 |
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好不好 我跟你講中國這種低價傾銷的貨品非常的多我們覺得這個政策應該要好好檢討謝謝你 謝謝好 謝謝秉財委員謝謝 請郭國文委員發言主席 有請財政部部長好 請部長 |
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委員好部長我們來談一下雲端發票吧雲端發票出事的時候呢你們做了檢討但檢討之後呢卻又改成匿名這又變成改成黑箱好像不願意面對問題又變成鴕鳥我覺得這個問題不對吧可以這樣處理事情嗎第一個 |
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我們應該要用誠信而且公開公正的方式怎麼可以這樣又變匿名了私下通知呢居然不敢面對問題在這個問題還沒解決之前部長類似的這種活動啊抽獎活動是不是應該先暫停啊 |
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呃這個部分確實要檢討我們也會做檢討檢討對我方式就先暫停啊對啊你們有改善方法你們已經改善方案了有改善方案先改善方案出來還沒有重新新的改善方案之前舊的方式就應該先暫停才對啊沒有個斷然處理的方式 |
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跟委員報告目前目前因為已經接近年底了相關的活動大概都已經結束了所剩的都是比較小額的這個部分該斷然處理就要斷然處理該止血要止血不要覺得財政部毫無作為要有點擔當有點魄力好不好 |
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我們一定會做好好的改善所以說你意思是說到年底要讓他一直拖拖拖到年底之後才來做停止嗎這個個案這個個案已經是不是由台北國務局來說這機制那是哪是個案這個整個機制當然要做檢討我們會正面檢討的所以明年的部分如果沒有重新調整機制的話就這個活動就停止對不對對 |
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好 第二個我問你一下最近呢我想有看到一些訊息我覺得兆豐銀行那個董董他對這個非實名制的社群的部分行銷廣告連同這個網紅、直播組、盤組都停止下廣告這個部分連同其他的民營銀行都已經加入了我覺得這是好事情啊這會不會是財政部的未來政策 |
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這個部分對於這個詐騙的這樣一個情形確實是而且我們兆豐起頭來做然後各個商各個金融機構都相繼加入是會讓他的效益更明顯兆豐都已經做了公股銀行從N年前就所組一個所謂ESG大聯盟結果到現在是兆豐來推這個社會責任的一個典範就財政部的做法到底在哪裡你有沒有要加碼 |
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這部分我們可以再做思考可以再做檢討什麼檢討要加碼還有什麼好檢討的對不對這還什麼好檢討對的事情就要加碼要檢討什麼另外一個部分有些地方做得好的你要形成財政部的政策 |
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所以我就看到核庫銀行他把一些五個分行給整併掉了這五個分行整併掉之後你知道嗎你自己有沒有算過整個分支機構台灣的這個銀行本土銀行、外商銀行、信用合作社、郵政儲蓄還有農業信用合作部、漁會、票券金融公司高達5890家我跟你講這比全家還多全家3932家 |
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比7-11還少7-11呢6957家問題是現在網銀盛行啊問題是實體銀行的需求度沒有那麼高啊那財政部對這個部分的態度又是如何我覺得這底下人在做啊做對的事情那你有沒有予以肯定有沒有可能加碼有沒有可能拉高這個決策的位階有沒有可能不漲 |
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謝謝委員這樣的一個建議確實是對於正確的一個方向財政部本來就應該要再做更加大的一個推廣以至於做一個其他的分支機構都要再做一點好不用個別銀行去處理用一個通用的方式來做處理你去看台南市一家零百貨公司零百貨旁邊不到200公尺有5家銀行 |
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有五家不到200公尺五家銀行你去Google一下那這種情況底下就代表分支機構非常的多以前分支機構之所以會留著的原因是有它的道理為什麼因為以前在做銀行合併的時候一家分行啊行情是一億啊大家都捨不得關啊 |
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現在還有這種行情嗎所以這種情況底下你應該去思考這個問題還有合併的部分今天報紙有提到所謂的公共不可行民營併可能比較有可能但是到底要怎麼併是不是可以透過子公司下層底下機構去併這也是一個考慮的方式就是互補這不一定是併什麼方式財政部要一個態度出來不誤雜 |
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好不好是那是什麼時候給本席答覆跟委員報告我想您剛剛提到第一個就是布點的部分也就是實體銀行分支機構的布點的部分看有沒有對它的效益或有必要性應該是做一個全面性的一個盤整我想這個部分那您提到就是說有關公共病或者是下面的子公司銀行以外的相關子公司要不要做合併的我想這個部分還是要看它有沒有相關的負比有沒有中效 |
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要發揮這樣的效果以及公會以及我們公會的立場這個都要去...大部分的人去銀行不是存錢跟領錢嘛我剛剛給你算了全家加7就超過1萬家了嘛再加上我們現在所有的相關的金融機構這個分行來算將近有6000家嘛對不對有需要那麼多家嗎這想也知道 |
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怎麼弄會比較好不要影響到員工的權益這個部分你要去考慮為前提然後節省效率提高那個效率嘛不是嗎我想這個股東或員工還有客戶的權益還有國家整體利益都要做考量的ESG的部分請你加碼 |
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第二個部分那個分行的時候要調整的時候你要去思考把它政策化另外一個部分需要政策化一個面對的問題剛剛有委員提到你看中國啤酒主打台南牛肉湯欸我不曉得你們有喝過啦還有美國品牌產地都是中國欸然後都說世界知名品牌然後還寫到台灣原創品牌阿麻拜託欸這個酒類標準的辦法當中第13條就不能這樣做啊我們那天開公聽會之後 |
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副署長有沒有回去跟你報告這個問題 |
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我看你還在狀況外跟委員報告有關您今天開的相關的記者會這個部分我再跟你講中國大力補貼這個中國的啤酒啊從2013年開始為什麼中國的內需市場持續萎縮萎縮得非常的嚴重這是第一第二產品又過剩就是鄰近的國家就遭殃嘛 |
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台灣就是阿他用傾銷的方式在解決他產品過剩內需不足的問題阿啤酒就是一個最典型的例子嘛你去看2013年開始阿他有至少六大計畫最著名中國啤酒的十三五十四五大規模的補助喔現在還在補助喔要補助到2025喔他目標就是提高啤酒的產量銷售跟利潤還有呢他這樣的情況底下 |
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總共中國的這個補助啤酒啊這個補助連著15、10億的補助之下中國的啤酒市佔率暴增4成啊2021開始啊每年都有17到24億的補助一罐啤酒啊這跟台灣的啤酒的價差高達3.65到6.21之間請銷率高達76.9啦然後過往 |
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我們有對中國課反請銷稅不論是平板印刷或特定旅業或者是毛巾的部分中國也對我們課反請銷稅過我要問你是說部長你面對這個問題的時候你有沒有可能啊把它視為啊這個請銷的可能性提出請銷提出反請銷的一個反制的可能性部長 |
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跟委員報告這個啤酒這個就是中國政府對這個啤酒的補貼會不會構成傾銷我們目前關務署也正在處理當中那這個部分要處理的態度是什麼基本的立場是什麼我們會有關稅審議小組的會議來處理因為它有一定的流程來做而且要去做相關的調查所以朝廷有可能傾銷的可能調查這部分要由小組的委員來討論 |
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調查是否是有傾銷的可能嗎傾銷以及對國內產業造成的傷害都要朝這個都必須要有一定的程序你知道嗎他們現在的市佔率從2015 8%現在已經暴增到34%進口的啤酒當中10罐當中有6罐是中國啤酒到現在才有感覺你要多久調查出來我問一下 |
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有一定的程序一定的程序可以加快嘛不是?不是嗎?處長報告委員這產業主管機關就是說還有這個產業工會還有業者那邊他會跟我們海關來提出申請反請銷的一個申請案件那再由財政部來審查他有沒有請銷的一個事實再由財政部來審查有沒有經濟的一個最快 |
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署長這個已經有案例可循了我們有客戶他們的反省銷稅啊是最快多久報告委員這個最快齁這個成立反省銷稅照我們以前處理這個案件的經過可能都要8個月到1年以上你們盡量以8個月為目標好不好 |
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這有一定的那個對阿就8個月到1年阿本期就要求你最快的速度8個月好不好當然就是這事情已經發生快10年之久了好不好就主要他要申請進來我們才有辦法去審那只要他申請進來我們也會加快腳步 |
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盡量喔 另外一個部分你來看喔那個署長你慢點走 我跟你講一下你看 我們銷去中國的這一個台幣齁被限制得很嚴重啊只有9.5萬啊 銷到中國中國進來我們這邊呢 是高達一千九百一千三百九十七萬的美金啊兩邊的貿易逆差啊高達一千兩百倍一千兩百倍那我們有沒有其他反制的方式讓我們台幣可以順利的進入中國市場 有沒有可能 |
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目前還是是暫停進口阿目前中國大陸對我...對阿他們可以一直進來源源不斷10罐裡頭有6罐的中國啤酒而且我們去卻不行這相當不公平的貿易嘛部長 |
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斷然的作為啦好不好不要說你知道這個沒有用啦要有效啦才有用啦好我最後問一下也是關務署的事情喔這個入境代酒的部分到底什麼時候能夠放寬成兩瓶啊老實說我就舉一個關鍵點啦你們也知道稅屬 |
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陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠� |
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一個月報布部長你覺得這有沒有合理?自用送你兩箱椅合不合理?至於自用一瓶送你一瓶啦自用送你兩箱椅啦這樣合不合理?這個部分我們會就關務組所提報出來我們整體做評估是製作評估?整體評估是儘速給我外界答案啦好 謝謝好 謝謝國務委員接著請戴思寶委員那個花妍 |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請財政部的莊部長是,請財政部部長委員好部長會長我們看到說今年的稅收預估全年會超徵4千億這個數字屬實嗎? |
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全國的部分會超過4千億打超過預算數那中央大概3千億是這個我看了去年啊11月12月兩個月就多了4千多億啊所以11月12月忘記啊 |
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因此你的4千億是保守估計啊我認為今年會超增5千億左右啊這個怎麼樣你覺得怎麼樣去年我拿去年來看今年啊去年11月12月多了4千億啊那你現在來講的話1到10月只有多增加600億那你現在來講說今年度的4千億我覺得不夠啊如果把4千3加上600那就是5千了 |
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大概我們初步估沒有到達五千了一定超過四千嗎應該會超過四千四千五全國的部分是四千了四千五差不多去年超過大概全國是三千八那中央大概是兩千九對沒有我再強調一遍去年的11月、12月兩個月增加四千三所以我把去年這個增加加你的一到十月的六百 |
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那就是五千啊我這樣算的啊指教一下 這個算法有沒有錯我們沒有 這個去年11月跟12月的收起的數字有 這你們的數字啦你們的數字啦好 那這個來講是五千億啦齁是五千億之多部長 你那個還債還得很少啊 |
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沒有,第一個我們今年的1158億已經還了,今年還會再多還,這樣子跟委員報告,第一個今年的1158億本來就多還了8億就還,我們在12月還會再多還 |
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能不能增加到6%可不可以到6%我們再來計算一下增加到6%可以嗎為什麼因為第一個我們今年要借的錢也沒有借今年本來要借的錢也沒借所以你這樣扣掉要借的錢啊我就問你了可不可以到6%啦到6%再增加喔再增加會不會到 |
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對,委員您記不記得您上次在審預算的時候有要求就是說在稅客收入超過時增數、超過預算數這個部分要有5%再來還那5%是法律規定嘛沒有沒有,法律規定是稅客收入5到6,5%嘛對不對,最少要5%那上次立法院有個決議對於超過預算數的部分再加還5%是 |
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那有沒有到6%嘛我一直問你你又不給回答我們再加還這5%有沒有到6%6%吧可以到6%這個部分跟委員報告因為我們要借的沒有去借所以這個部分還要去所以你沒有去借那是可以還稅於民啊 |
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沒有去減,因為超過預算數的部分有一些我們是因為稅數還是要執行啊,所以我們在花個6千塊可以嗎?全民再花個6千塊?這個恐怕沒有辦法確定嗎?對確定嗎?是好,我們再看第二題喔雲端種樹的問題重複種大起來你們解釋了半天都跟沒有解釋一樣 |
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台北國稅局當然要負很大的責任了但是外界就質疑說你們到現在為止你們開了記者會沒有人買單啊網路還是一片罵聲啊從不中獎那就算了結果從不中一樣兩個人中了兩支iPhone兩個人中了兩個iPad誰敢鬧這個事啦這裡面沒有鬼 |
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沒有人相信啦你說啊這個因為積極參與我就給他這樣講啊感覺奇怪啊難道你們都沒有想到說我中間就是打槍只能中一個你可以再加一個槍小槍啊這我給你放進去就好啊啊這個擺明了就是你們在裡面縱容作弊喔不要說你們作弊喔你們縱容作弊喔 |
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副委員報告在行政調查的部分我們已經說明第一個對於重複重大獎這幾位呢我們查過第一個不是我們財政部及所屬機關以及廠商的本人配偶以及三星等都不在這裡面都不是屬於這個範圍裡面第二個他們所取得發票我們進行全部就查過以後 |
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以後的活動絕對要做這樣的嚴格的一個控管一定要做嚴格的控管這樣的一個情況確實要深切的檢討而且以後要防範不可以再發生這樣的情形你要不要追究相關人員責任 |
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相關人員責任這個部分我們現在聽起來都沒有責任所以人家網路到現在為止不買單啊網路現在還在罵你們啊我是替你做囚欸是 這個部分我們一定要做檢討的 對 |
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檢討要檢討這真的不然的話到現在為止你看起來就是都沒有錯啊你沒有錯廠商沒有錯喔都沒有錯喔大家好老百姓不好啊不是委員這個如果有相關涉及刑法的部分一定要根據這個刑法來處理好不好我們來看喔來調查局已經去調查對請我們范工股的董事長們都上來好嗎范工股的從他應該是 |
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時間暫停一下好不好我請教一下啦這個像榮統應該是哪一位啊台瑜是吧你向前走一步還是趙鳳你是榮統還是趙鳳 |
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啊 兩個一起啦 台銀跟兆豐啦台銀薪水比較少 兆豐薪水比較多啦兆豐多太多啦這個 要東東市長 這個回去喔請問你們啦 八家今年大賺錢對不對 舉手大賺錢 舉手統統大賺錢啦統統大賺錢 不要懷疑有沒有加薪的計畫 有的舉手 |
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明年度4%以上的居所4%以上3%我們明年度軍公教人員挑釁你這3%大賺錢這3% |
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董董講一下 董董 你是經營專家 我就對你評價也不差啦 但是你講一下 為什麼 為什麼只有3%報告委員 第一個當然我們是比照公務人員嘛 公務人員加3%我們就加3% 你們比照公務人員 你的薪水就不比照台銀 你的薪水是台銀的3倍 |
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報告委員有沒有有沒有有沒有你說你的薪水是右邊的3倍勒應該應該有啦報告委員其實其實我們不是只有加這個3%而已啦我們每一年的晉級晉級那部分的話大概自然的加薪大概也差不多就1.5%大概有5%啦其實每一年的人事根本都要加5%請教台營的林總來林總 |
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6822.242 |
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6838.814 |
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賴委員你原來在張營嘛對不對對還有呢土銀土銀不要說土銀跟你一樣還有輸出入銀行從張營到台營你薪水是三分之一啦你不覺得很委屈嗎 |
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6840.674 |
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6863.743 |
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欸我想喔 一點點最主要是我們 一點點委屈沒有委屈我先撇開個人不講喔我是覺得我們整個金控集團裡面還有整個金控集團下面的這些子公司的員工的一些待遇跟福利其實跟所有的公股去比喔還有跟所有的民營去比真的是沒有辦法相比沒辦法相比啦 草稿子 來來來來來來我給你們看啦這裡面 |
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6870.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
6884.546 |
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2013年WF的金融競爭力台灣排名82名名勝輸給中國大陸這個當然很久以前了可是你注意看我們的EPS民間都在前面了 |
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6885.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
6907.723 |
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公鼓樂來請教部長有沒有意思要推動公共病讓他Mass變大有沒有機會公共病可能牽涉到層面比較大當然組織的一個文化以及他經營的策略以及相關經營的強項公共病不可能公民病也不可能是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
6909.887 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
6915.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
那最後一個啦我時間有限齁那就好好的提供員工的福利待遇吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
6916.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
6940.771 |
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一個很重要的 你們要給他們加福利 喔 人事總署都在那邊休喔 這個什麼單一興奉 對吧人事總署部長 我今天就公開執行 做球給你你去跟那個蘇蘭市長講 我們這一部分是國營事業不能管啊不能管那麼多啊 譬如說 譬如說 譬如說你們請問那個台土營 我call in |
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| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
6959.782 |
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員工生一個小孩多少錢你知道嗎?今天多少你知道嗎?多少?生家不太一樣來來來台銀講一下多少錢?台銀生一胎是五千塊五千塊啊!要一件!對不對來 招風招風招風講一下你們生一胎多少錢?我們應該大概十幾萬吧十二萬幾萬幾萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
6961.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
6967.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
幾萬、幾萬、講一下12萬12萬12萬對都太少啦第一台12萬、第二台50萬、第一台100萬現在掃紙化在鹹中對不對 |
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這個東西你們一提出來這個人事總署都在呼呼叫我就是問你一句部長你能不能去跟人事總署那邊講時間到了齁沒有你跟他講說有關於 |
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7017.977 |
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我們換工股特別是三個銀行臺土銀他們的員工的福利他不要管那麼多讓你他們自己從英語裡面來出好這個委員這個質詢的內容我們一定會呈達給蘇仁市長管太多啊這個瘦身太窮啊沒有這樣子第三章沒有100萬沒有人要寫啦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
7037.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
提高我們國營事業員工的福利謝謝委員謝謝賴士葆委員請部長及各家銀行回座現在有請賴會員召委謝謝主席有請莊部長我們再請交通部檢記證請財政部長、交通部檢記證 |
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7045.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
7049.554 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
王檢任記證王檢任記證交通部王檢任記證委員部王檢任記證市委部長好這個我們這個信賴年限我應該是比較不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
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7061.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
7079.085 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
7092.263 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠� |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
7095.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
7105.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠� |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
7123.843 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
那部長你對於這樣子的一個修法那你覺得他你認為你的態度你個人的態度是怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
7134.063 |
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| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
剛剛委員所提到就是對於這個所謂的那個什麼低底盤公車還有那個這部分因為要符合2050的淨零碳排的目標所以鼓勵公車都去用電動化所以就停這個部分的貨物稅免徵就停止那至於所謂聲音障礙的或者是那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
7156.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
7171.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
搭運送那個輪椅使用者的車輛復康巴士等等持續的給予這個免徵貨物稅我們認為是對於這個行動不便者是一個友善的一個環境是需要這樣去做的是所以部長你也同意嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
本席其實針對這一個修法我有我自己的一個版本那我希望就是說因為本席的選區裡頭在這個人口數很多的人口數其實已經都超過65歲以上的這個高齡的長者 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
7204.027 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
我希望繼續維持底盤的公車還有油電混合車的免徵貨物稅的優惠延長到2030年年底我希望得到部長的支持部長你的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
7205.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
7212.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
希望在低底盤公車的部分因為對行動障礙的人會比較方便希望持續免徵我想這個部分因為交通部希望能夠達成用電動公車這樣的一個目的來鼓勵大家轉用電動公車我想這個政策目的是需要能夠達成那如果還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
7227.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
7228.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
吳靜雯、吳靜雯、吳靜雯、吳靜雯、吳靜雯 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
7244.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
7261.651 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
好,委員好,報告委員就是有關低底盤的公車的部分現在目前所推動的電動巴士、電動公車的部分都是低底盤的方式所以呢,我們針對那個燃油的低底盤的部分就認為說不要再去補助了 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
7262.091 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
7275.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
那早期目前我們已經現在已經進入2023年的這個旱台目標已經要進入推廣電動巴士的這個地底盤電動巴士的部分所以目前所有的業者大部分在購買電動 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
7296.911 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
呃,電動公車的時候都是採用地理盤。記者,這個就是後續我要跟你探討的。所有的一個補助款顯然是不足的。本來你這個公車有可能就是現有的狀況,它一台是600萬。那如果就是說我們用到了就是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
7300.374 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
7316.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
7330.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠� |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
7337.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
7364.033 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
雖然還沒有公布可是我們從民眾的反映裡頭還有有關新聞的一個報導裡頭我們知道除了高鐵以外所有的公共運輸的使用情形都非常的不理想那尤其是我的選區喔我的選區我們搭高鐵是在嘉義太保啊所以客運是一個我的選區裡頭最重要的一個公共運具那如果以你們這樣子就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
7392.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
就是你們這樣子的一個政策去實施的話那我都是在六都裡頭了那是不是其他的縣、轄市呢是不是會更慘記者委員好針對就是說雖然剛剛有提到的一些各縣市政府推動電動公車稍微比較慢的一個情況是因為有關疫情期間因為在人力上 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
7395.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
副副副副副副副副副副副副 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
7414.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
7437.208 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
這讓我們受傷非常嚴重的一個地方那有沒有比較好的方式如果就是說你這個還沒有恢復元氣之前然後就是說它其實相對的就是說我們以最新一期的那個載印量我用2024的4月份失去了公車的載印量跟疫情那個之前2019年同期我們還衰退了19% |
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| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
7440.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
7460.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
7469.793 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
因為我的選區都是偏鄉嘛所以這個對我來講非常的重要那如果就是說你這個法這樣修的話對我的傷害是非常大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
7472.329 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
7481.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
謝謝委員因為有關就是說雖然我們的剛剛看到數據是有一點點稍微慢了一點點可是在今年不是稍微慢了一點點是慢了很多對在今年的部分我們所預期的部分在電動公車的推廣部分有比較稍微有快了一點我跟你講 |
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7493.085 |
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7509.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
這個快也是還是慢就是甚至我的TBUS你有沒有幫到客運的忙顯然也沒有我們從這個就是說公共通勤署的業票裡頭我們去看很多的一個情況不管就是說你搭乘你是用捷運還是用輕軌這個其實我們用人次裡頭 |
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| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
7527.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
在這個TPAS的方案在全國19個縣市其實都配合實施了可是你推出到今年7月底的時候全國的累計數量才只有833萬這個價值的購買顯然我們看到這個數據其實是很不漂亮的 |
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7534.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
7548.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
這個是非常的不漂亮那為什麼要跟你講這麼多的一個問題因為今天在財政委員會裡頭我們覺得就是說國家的一個財政其實要照顧到很多很多偏鄉的這些百姓 |
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7549.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
7574.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
尤其是他的公共運具的一個實施這個顯然是我們所有這個長輩65歲以上的一個長輩就是他他要外出搭乘的時候他其實他的選擇性當然我們希望說班次要密集那票價要便宜可是看起來大家好像都是做不到都做不到那你集中就只有在雙北 |
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7575.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
7581.07 |
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蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文 |
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蔡其昌等18人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委 |
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那就是說我們在看T-PASS的一個使用顯然都是偏重在雙北啊對都是在雙北啊那即使年我們就是說我用台南為例來跟你溝通這到台南的公車無限搭這個一個套裝的行程是299然後台南的境內公車加火車無限搭是399那高屏、南高屏的那個運輸走透透是999 |
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阿這個情況使用的好不好顯然也不好阿可是你不好你還是不能把它廢掉阿因為太窮了你不能連這種公共運具都把我們減掉了所以事後我有一些要求的素面資料我再給你帶回去再回顧給我好不好好這個對偏鄉其實是有很大的一個影響謝謝委員謝謝主席 |
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好謝謝賴會員召委下一位有請嚴寬恆委員主席各位委員主席有請財政部中部長請財政部中部長 |
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委員好部長好請教部長台灣金融公司董事長上任三天就主動請示很多委員都很關心民眾更關心我要請教的是說台灣金融是國內許多供股銀行投資的公司也是政府協助國內金融機構快速處理不良債權更是唯一也是第一家政策性成立的資產管理公司那董事長任命這個看起來好像是兒戲一樣 |
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本席關心這個上院僅三天的董事長會不會對今年公司有任何資料的控管外洩或者是一些這個什麼弊端這個要請教部長那 |
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7768.583 |
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重點是不要把人事案當作是一種政治交換因為最主要還是公私治理對於業務上的影響到底有沒有發生什麼弊端還是什麼不應該發生的事情不要像這個檯岩綠能的弊案一樣我是提醒部長 |
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那部長我們剛剛有在提案說明的部分本席有這個現行的貨物稅條例第12條規定購買低底盤的公共汽車、天然氣、油電混合還有電動以及身心障礙復康巴士載運輪椅使用車輛這個部分那免徵貨物稅到113年的12月31日那當然為了要讓國內復康巴士更加普及 |
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7810.856 |
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要延長免徵厚稅實施5年到118年的部分根據資料到去年年底公共汽車有8643輛8000多輛免稅額是46億元副裝巴士4000輛4032免徵稅額4億元載運輪椅的使用車輛8872免稅額16億元 |
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就我國國內人口持續老化原本國科、國發會預估明年台灣會進入超高齡社會但是根據內政部最新的統計到今年的8月這個嘉義縣、台北市、南投縣等7個縣市超過65歲以上的人口已經超過已經佔總人口數20%以上這7個縣市都已經超過20%了就已經是提前進入超高齡社會 |
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國內的這些復康巴士、汰換的速度還是沒有全面所以今天本席還有很多委員的版本是希望還有行政院的版本都希望能夠加速來推動讓長者行的安全更有保障能不能請部長簡單說明一下當然我知道主管機關是經濟部 |
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中央機關室經濟部那我是說這個部分說經濟部有跟財政部討論過那這個對於新增電動車貨物稅減免的部分可不可以請財政部部長你們來做一個研究做一個一個一個這個 |
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謝謝委員我想這個部分我們在剛剛已經說過就是行政院的版本裡面對於復康巴士還有載運輪椅使用者車輛免徵貨物稅的部分是在延長5年那公共汽車如果它是電動的公共汽車那可以依照第12條之3的條文就可以免徵但是 |
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不是屬於電動車的部分因為我們的政策是朝向電動化的一個目標所以對於非電動化的公共汽車就沒有再延長免徵貨物稅這個部分是要跟契合的那委員的提案裡面有提到就是電動公車的部分要再延長這個免徵貨物稅但因為電動公共汽車免徵貨物稅這個部分是到明年底是到明年底所以在屆期之前我想交通部 |
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會在評估以後再會提相關的一些建議到財政部在屆期以前主管機關是經濟部對主管機關經濟部還有交通部我們希望能夠提出一個良好的一個提案來做一個規劃 |
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請教部長相關預算的部分近7個年度106到112年中央政府收入決算東創新高106年度1.52兆攀升到112年度2.48兆政府63.4% |
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7987.204 |
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陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員 |
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8023.696 |
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主管機關應該落實開源節流並且持續的管控債務的規模維持財政健全不是說文字遊戲還是包裝美化數字應該是要還錢嘛對不對有借有還對不對要借就要還嘛預算中心也彙整了近7個年度中央政府的稅收這個預算決算數106年度 |
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8028.8 |
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8048.949 |
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1.5228兆那107到109都超越了1.6兆到110年開始突破2兆112年攀升到2.4882兆那各年度都比上一個年度增加而且都創新高那這個部分而且每一個年度的預算達成率都在95.6%到121%之間 |
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那這個預算7年之7年預算的一個達成率為109%合計這個超預預算數1兆989億1.1兆將近1.1兆那請教部長你認為這是一個健全的財政體系嗎 |
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跟委員報告謝謝委員對這個部分的一個關注有關債的部分我們都是在一直都積極的在還債那今年1158億已經先還了要舉借的1571億也沒有借那也跟委員報告從105年開始到今年的10月底為止我們總共還債了9118億 |
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陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠� |
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實際債務是5兆8780億跟105年比是增加4700億但是這其中如果沒有疫情的話我們事實上債務是減少了3000多億那疫情這樣一個事情因為疫情這個 |
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大概有7900億的一個舉借如果沒有疫情發生我們的債務事實上是減少的那以債務比例來看101年曾經高到36.3%而到今年事實上是26%其實降了10%以GDP來說我們是降了10%的GDP的一個比例所以整個來說我們的債務控管是非常良好的如果我們的稅收 |
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有比預算數來得高的話就第一個就是我們減少舉債第二個就是我們增加還債讓我們的一個財政有一定的韌性這是以上跟委員的一個說明截至113年9月底長期的債務這個債務比例你剛剛提到了26%但是中央政府一年度以上公共債務未償還的這個都是上升的整個趨勢都是上升的嘛那所以 |
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副部長那我另外再請教那之前鬧得灰灰洋洋的這個雲端種樹去什麼一起集點樹重複中獎的那個事件你們給外界的回應是說中獎機制設定是積極參與這個活動 |
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任務者能夠累計越多這個抽獎機會但是解釋的廠商他不是照一般的抽獎方式而是採這個調高積極參與者的一個全值這個全數值然後給予優先抽獎你們想要用這種方式來提升民眾對於雲端發票的黏著度這個說法我是無法接受啦很明顯的民眾也不接受沒有辦法接受抽獎搞得像在 |
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像黑箱一樣那這些怎麼看事先沒有人知道那我想部長你也不清楚吧你清楚嗎 |
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跟委員報告好了,這個案子...好,我跟委員報告,這個事情出來以後我們以誠實的一個態度來面對這樣的一個案子我們第一個我們先做行政調查行政調查裡面重複重大講的這四位都不是我們機關包含財政部跟所屬還有承包廠商的 |
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本人、配偶以及三親等以內的一個親屬第二個部分他取得的發票的方式我們也全面去查了以後也沒有說有不合規的方式但是這個活動的目的是鼓勵民眾第一個買東西的時候索取發票然後使用雲端發票以及用財政部的APP來以及捐贈做愛心捐的這些點點的鼓勵的目的是出發點是這樣但是廠商他在這個抽獎的程式裡面做權數的調整等等這個部分 |
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所以對這樣的一個情形對一個權重邏輯的一個程式邏輯我們已請調查局做調查那這個部分應該要從司法調查來做一份議清他們現在這個臉書粉專公告說AI人氣網比賽得獎名單暫緩公告公布日期未定未來公告後將以本活動FB發送私人訊息通知得獎者 |
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8318.326 |
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8342.08 |
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現在詐騙集團這麼多你不認識的電話你都不接了還要什麼傳簡訊你會去打開嗎?你會去點閱嗎?對不對?辦活動應該是以誠信公正公開台北國稅局這樣一個作為當然我們認為應該是要做好好的檢討也就是說未來辦理活動我們會全面性的一個做檢討改進以及防範不應該發生的事情發生對 好 謝謝部長好 謝謝寬恒接著請李燕秀委員諮詢 |
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8358.962 |
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我要不要先讓部長喝口水你先喝口水慢慢上來沒關係好 請部長好 陳部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
8372.748 |
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副長我還是要先延續一下顏寬恆委員的議題這個雲端發票這件事情因為最近財政部的新聞不算少算非常的多雲端發票這整件事情我覺得活動本身我們是支持的鼓勵雲端發票但整件事情我覺得爭議最大的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
8413.357 |
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是廠商自行協調你說廠商其實你們跟他並不熟也沒有什麼獲獎的人都跟我們大家沒關係這個我清楚我了解重點是我們這一家廠商那個調整參數你剛說你事前不知道但是他自行調整參數這個部分到底整個開會的過程他們有沒有先告知你們你們也不知道 |
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8414.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
8438.74 |
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第一個這個案子主辦機關是臺北國稅局然後由他們主辦國稅局還是財政部底下嗎?因為你目前所提供給我的報告部長我個人是不滿意因為有幾個重要的資訊你沒有在這個報告檢討報告裡面跟我們說明清楚包括就是說中獎人的權重同時歸零或者是持續的加重 |
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8440.114 |
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沒有說明清楚然後另外這家廠商是第一次跟我們合作嗎那他要這個按照道理說我們都應該希望是所有的人每一次的活動他的獲獎的機率是均等的 |
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8476.873 |
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做這樣子的權重的就是說讓大家外界我相信你也百思不得其解所以這個廠商這樣的作為是讓外界都覺得說這一次雲端發票爭議這麼多最主要的原因所以我才問說這一家廠商是第一次跟你們財政部合作嗎 |
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8500.365 |
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第一家廠商是不是跟台北國稅局是不是第一次跟局長是說跟台北國稅局是第二次合作那這是哪一家廠商廠商名字是什麼合約的內容可不可以公佈我時間不多因為我今天好幾個議題要問提供就是我們公開招標的資料我知道是公開招標的 |
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8524.605 |
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我要求今天執行完之後請你們提供這個廠商所有的會議記錄包括當時的權重是歸零或者是累積持續加重他有沒有跟你們溝通清楚他決定要這麼做我覺得是有問題但他決定這麼做他後面怎麼執行合約裡面有沒有寫我覺得你們都要交代清楚光是發挖一個 |
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8545.367 |
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不算大這是算小案子你都要檢調去調查要檢調幫你調查那到底我們能不能信任你們發包單位啊這個就是我今天提出來的疑問接下來我覺得這是你們要交代清楚行政責任跟企業的問題請你們公開另外一個就是有關車輛貨物稅的爭議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
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車輛貨物稅的爭議最近我們接到幾個陳情案就是有關民眾申請貨物稅退稅的案子貨物稅的退稅它也是經過合法車輛買了進口車之後一進來之後沒有使用又要再轉賣出去所以按照法規它是可以申請退稅 |
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那這個部分你們現在的說法是說因為現在行政院的有一個案例的判決所以你們要再重新解釋含釋我要請問這是複稅署對不對 |
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賴慧淑的部分對這個案子你們現在的處理模式是什麼是不是由署長跟您說明署長簡單回應我好不好因為最高行政法有一個判決我們現在是參酌判決議址還有徵詢學者的意見目前在審慎演繹當中但你們已經在韓式在重新擬定新的韓式了嘛但是按照法規齁 |
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如果即便你們在處理新的函式按照這個稅捐基深法當中即便有函式因為其他的申請案已經進來要申請退稅的案子已經進來他可以按照法規你們可以按照函式你們可以他們可以你們自然可以有利於納稅義務人對於還沒有核課稅的案子他是可以適用的但是你們把所有案子hold在這邊 |
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我覺得你們在行政上就是有問題我尊重你們後面要用什麼樣新的函式部長我相信你非常清楚我的意思法院的判決歸法院的判決它是針對個案但是現有新的已經有案子進來要申請退你就應該按照現有的函式來處理你不應該把人家後在那邊我尊重你後面要做新的函式我都尊重 |
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你依法行政現在的法是什麼你就要按照這個法來執行這是我要提醒你的地方好你可以請回第三個部長我回過頭來請教你台灣今年的問題部長台灣今年這件事情在我們看來在用人上是有很大的問題三天就下台 |
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這件事情是換掉呂俊吉由呂政章出任這件事情是總統交辦的行政院長還是部長你自己決定的 |
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對於有關相關的投資事業裡面的董總的一個人事調整都是全面性的一個去思考量做一個考量那這個部分大家都會一起做討論好所以大家都會一起做討論這個一起做討論的人有沒有包含院長或總統還是你決定的你說一起是在你底下還是你以上 |
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呃跟委員報告齁這個當然這個財政部所屬的這個部分這個是要由行政院合定的喔所以有行政院這個角色在裡頭齁所以決定要策劃掉合定的機關是行政院對好所以呃 |
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這件事情當時要撤換就是說決定換掉這個施董事長你也有呈報上去要換到呂政章你也有呈報上去要撤換掉你也有呈報上去案子當然是要由城市部來簽辦上去 對 |
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所以這整件事情如果是行政院決定的話那我要請問部長你自己到底有沒有見過呂正章本人之前在決定要撤換要請他上任的時候你有沒有見過他本人對於這個相關的人選我們都會從他的相關資歷裡面你只有看過他的資歷你沒有跟他談過都要去做一些了解 |
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所以你也不認識他你之前也不認識他我不認識這個人你沒有看過他所以你只有看過他的經歷我不可能從我認識的裡面的人來找我知道但是你決定要用他我們認為都應該用他做事例每一個人算即便你要請署長就是哪一位署長你一定會見一見聊一聊這是基本的程序A、B、C所以你也沒看過你只有從經歷上看過這個人 |
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瞭解這個人的一些經歷以及他在過往的一些事業裡面的一些辦理的情形對好那個部長那最後呂政章他最後辭職的時候他放話說台灣的政治遠比國際商業複雜你有這樣的感覺嗎我覺得這是他個人的意見啊個人的意見是所以完全沒有政治因素 |
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呃他個人要辭職我們當然就尊重因為他可能覺得對行政團隊造成的一些困擾他就覺得因避免這樣的一個情形所以他就請辭那我們也尊重他的選擇好部長我還是提醒你未來所有人事任用齁其實不能只看這個一張紙ABC啦所以我覺得還是從這一次的教訓跟經驗我覺得每一個人事任務我覺得還是要找過來進來談哪怕是我們辦公室要找一個新的助理我們都還是會聊一聊談一談嘛 |
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這是我要提醒部長的地方部長因為我今天還有另外一個議題也非常重要因為我只剩下最後兩分鐘的時間部長那個我們今年度的這個預算稅收到前10個月已經達到3,251億元比去年的同期已經增加了9%已經全年已經達到全年的目標這個數字呢已經達到全年預算數的101.9%今年的 |
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稅的這個超徵的金額大概達到4千億部長這個前面幾位委員已經問過那再次創下歷史的第三高今天報紙都寫得非常清楚甚至有可能還會挑戰這個是不是再更高都有可能喔就看最後這三個月的數字 |
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稅收的狀況比預期的樂觀背後代表了有幾個重要的意義在我稍微念一下2021年是4327億元稅收超徵2022 5237億2023 367億元部長 |
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這個數字 背後代表的意義是你之前來到我辦公室甚至你在委員會說連續3年的順周昭徵我們要成立專家小組會議這個代表我們在編列預算以後不會再超這麼多你上個月10月份的時候才說最多是1000億保守的估計超過1000億這是保守的估計欸 現在這個數字是相差了4倍欸 |
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四千億耶部長我說你失職應該不為過要不然就是你預判失準要不然就是我們稅制有問題不是你的失職要不然就是我們稅制的有問題部長我已經很客氣的這樣子講了 |
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不然你了解我意思嗎?因為你一直說你要成立這個小組我們以後預估不會那麼離譜、不會失準這麼多差4倍!跟委員報告這個部分第一個我們確實有成立小組然後我們也做了精進但是你知道有些數字有些稅不是我們一開始就可以比如說證交稅證交稅113年我們是以3500億的日均量來評估當時在去年的時候委員都認為說我們怎麼可以編3500億 |
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沒有效果這段民意代表立場我們的功能我沒有要罵你但我們的功能就是監督所以我告訴你這件事情你仍舊沒有做好那有兩個原因我們稅制的我們稅制有問題那如果不是稅制有問題那就可能是你的失職你審議三家小組沒有用 |
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那未來要怎麼處理你必須要給我答案這是我今天的質詢我們持續精進我們的估測謝謝部長謝謝謝謝燕修接著請李昆城委員質詢那本席在這裡報告到陳一貞委員陳一貞委員質詢完畢我們休息10分鐘謝謝主席我們請財政部的莊部長好請莊部長 |
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委員好部長好這個民進黨其實是委曲求全因為我們還是一致認為說上個禮拜三由陳玉珍、趙偉所通過的這一個三分鐘就通過了這個採訪法完全不合理那完全沒有經過討論那送出去的法案其實是不合乎程序的 |
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9102.54 |
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那尤其財劃法這麼重要的法案這個3分鐘就送過去那按照國民黨的這一個他們要通過的財劃法這個要增加6612億那中央只剩下1157億可以用那按照他們的版本來看在國稅的部分 |
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所得稅總收入從10%提高到25%就是說如果我們都用114年的預算來試算的話從1940而已增加到4856億那營業稅總收入他們從40%提高到100% |
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這個完全拿到地方然後這個114年預算試算是從2553億增加到6383億那地方這個土地的增值稅全部都由地方來做使用了那 |
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按照國民黨的版本我們來試算一下用113年縣市的稅輸統籌款還有113年各縣市地方的稅輸款來看的話我們有9個縣市有9個縣市不計地方稅統籌分配款就比稅輸預算還要多 |
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從國民黨的版本所搶來的錢搬到地方去的話有9個縣市他們的這個統籌分配款呢拿到了就比他們在113年的這個稅出預算還要多連江縣113年稅出預算是44億按照國民黨的版本他可以拿到69億然後更不用說這個還有很多的縣市 |
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那等於 那我就請教了部長這個是行政院的這個主計總署的這個副主計長蔡文坤他有提到說如果這個按照國民黨的版本這個要 這個有6612億的這個財源下去相關的事權應該要做調整然後呢 比如說像健保、老農津貼就應該回歸地方政府來辦理 |
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然後呢這個地方財源大幅增加之後也不能要求中央對地方的一般性補助款不能夠減少因為他認為這不合理那所以我請教一下部長這個竹建總署所提到的說除了健保跟老農津貼要下放不由這個中央來支出之外財政部認為有哪些事權應該要做調整 |
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謝謝委員收入的劃分一定要配合事權的劃分事權的劃分才有所謂支出的劃分然後才有收入的劃分所以今天如果只是考慮就是說要把這麼多的錢增加6612億劃到地方去的話那一定要先在考慮這個事權但是事權涉及到各部會目前的業務執掌裡面 |
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9300.808 |
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哪一些是中央做、哪一些地方做必須要重新檢討所以在事權調整涉及到各部會的一個權責啊現在沒有嘛因為我們沒有討論到事權的調整嘛對目前完全沒有調整那你怎麼去因應呢他們現在就是說比如說按照國民版本他就是要6000多要搶下去的那有哪一些本來是要中央出現在就改由地方來出 |
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現在比如說像儲計總處在健保跟老農津貼這個部分原來是地方的後來中央來做那大家就1000多億那事實上還有5000多億要怎麼樣去做調整所以會造成中央完全施政上的困難但是要哪些劃分到地方現在目前都還沒有討論因為目前來說財政部在開會的是先討論水平分配各個指標的部分指標必須要公示然後再做權證那所以這個垂直的 |
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這也是很緊急啊如果按照這個國民黨的版本的話他就是要把你搶這麼多錢下去了嘛那你當然要想就是說那我們中央政府怎麼去做因應本來是由中央出的現在就是由地方出你們有想到了嗎 |
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目前來說因為第一個既然要增加這麼多然後一般性補助款還不可以減少依照現在黨的版本是一般補助款也不能減少所以整個財政來說中央已經沒有辦法已經就是扣掉法律義務支出能做的社會補助都不能做了現在比如說像 |
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像育兒津貼、租金補貼這些東西原來都是中央統一在做的像TPAS這些那可能都沒有財源再來處理這些那所以在事權調整上必須要各部會一起來討論怎麼樣在全部來做因應調整所以你剛才提到說不管是這個育兒津貼、少子化的一些補助然後這個中央設宅、這個住進的補貼、TPAS等等本來由中央支付的未來都有可能改由地方來支出 |
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這個部分都要重新來做劃分了知識體大,你們要有因應啊國民黨是不會等我們等你都想好之後他才會怎麼做他就是硬幹了你要有這個心理準備他就坐在這邊聽了啦然後我再來請教一下這個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
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兆豐銀行他最近開出了第一槍他宣布到明年底不再支付任何廣告費用給非實名制的各社群平臺也不得邀請網紅代言各項業務向非實名制的Google、Line、Facebook、YouTube、IG等等不願承擔房主詐騙責任的行為正式宣戰就是不向沒有實名制的這些網路平臺下廣告那請問一下 |
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部長覺得這個策略、這個政策怎麼樣當然這個策略提出來以後相關的金融事業也都跟進我覺得這是一個很好的都有跟進嗎幾乎都跟進啦我們的這個公股、行庫對公股、行庫全部都跟進了對都跟進啦有嗎 有沒有誰沒有跟進的誰 誰沒有跟進的 |
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呃有落實掉了是呃我們趙峰董事長他要補充說趙峰董事長 |
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報告委員關谷銀行都在我們是上禮拜四那上禮拜四上禮拜五就都已經跟進了那現在呢我們從媒體上看到大概投信投顧工會他們也用工會的力量也邀請大家一起來參與那銀行工會勒銀行工會還沒有還沒有做這一方面的這個要求不過我相信接下來的話我們應該可以看到一些民營銀行也會跟進那您現在也是銀行工會的這個理事長嘛 |
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那這個部長那是不是我們也能夠請這個銀行公會以自律公約的方式來要求我們的銀行不要在這個沒有實名制的網路平台上面下廣告可能這個部分由財政部去請銀行公會來做自律公約這個可能是不是有金管會做來會更適合一點那這個董董勒董董是 |
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我們會在公會裡面就是用道德勸說的方式希望大家能夠配合不過我想跟大家報告跟委員報告一件事情就是我們是不投廣告但是如果說我們所傳遞給消費者的訊息給我們客戶的訊息是跟交易相關的譬如說我們的客戶他如果信用卡刷卡我們會傳遞他可能透過社交媒體我們傳遞他他有這一段交易 |
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訊息告知跟投廣告是兩回事啦我是認為那你既然是銀行公會的理事長那也應該這個這個帶頭來做除了公股銀行之外我們希望說這個所有的銀行既然這一個要一起打仗、防炸那大家就一起來做那我再問一下莊部長那我們的各個部會哩比如像財政部哩 |
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是不是也要帶頭巨頭這個沒有實名制的這些廣告我們有投這個廣告嗎我們本來也沒有在做這個廣告本來就沒有你督導一下我是希望說沒有嗎你們有時候有一些你自己下面的一些所屬單位有沒有下廣告你去查一下我們在座盤點一下是謝謝那就是我們就帶頭也來做好不好是的應該的對打炸的來說好 |
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9610.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
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董總請回在11月1號總預算的質詢我有提到今年稅收是不是有望超徵2000億部長那時候回應是非常的保守就是說這個2000億可能有機會有可能會達成 |
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9631.54 |
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9658.055 |
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但是你們昨天就開了一個記者會這個今年總稅收將由於預算數的4千億規模隔旺創歷史第三高這個是你們財政部的記者會嘛對不對這個這個齁那比我這個11月1號問的時候等於double勒那時候講2千億就是現在是可以這個收到大概4千億到10月份為止啦那如果我們來推估的話啦前10月達成率是116.2% |
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估算的話 超收會到5000億部長怎麼看這個數字 |
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跟委員報告,委員上次在質詢的時候有提到,當時我有提到就是說因為10月份還有,10月份有一個,不是,9月份有一個盈利事業的站腳稅款要進來,到10月份才會陸續賬才會看得出來,所以我到11月中的時候數字會比較沒有啦,那個差距太多了啦,部長你的講法都非常非常的保守啦,是很保守 |
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9710.979 |
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對,然後到10月底的數字已經統計出來所以我們昨天的記者會就直接說了就是說全國的部分時增數會超過預算數4千億然後中央數會超過預算數的3千億那如果按照這個比例來看,年底是不是有可能到達5千億?不是,我們這個超過數就是指到年底為止沒有,現在10月啊,你現在已經不是到10月份嗎? |
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對,不不不,10月根據10月的時增數來推估全年會超出的數所以這個是4千億是全年度?全年度會超出4千億?負稅超出的話呢舉債就會減少那113年總預算預計舉債是1267億特別預算舉債是2637億合計是3904億這是113年的總預算那請問一下目前舉債的執行數勒? |
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總預算的舉借我們並沒有借然後特別預算的也沒有總預算沒有借總預算都沒有借因為原來編的數字我們都沒有去借所以你們編的這個不論是這個總預算、特別預算3904億都沒有去借就對了因為稅務執行的好的話我就會用稅務的錢然後去來去做一些稅出的支應所以在總預算的部分沒有借特別預算應該也沒有借這署長要補充嗎特別預算的部分 |
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有借多少?特別預算是借多少?特別預算有借總預算的部分沒有借?沒有借,然後也還了1158億那個債的部分也先還了那特別預算是借了多少?特別預算借了 |
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我們待會我們查一下再跟委員報告那等於是說本來要借的沒有借對那要還債對那總預算的部分是沒有借特別預算有借對那還債預算原編的1150我們還了1158那到12月我們會再增加還債那如果有稅計剩餘的話財政部有什麼規劃的運用嗎稅計剩餘的話就會進到主計總處那邊去他作為以後年度的一個融資財源對那當然那我是說部長你有什麼樣的規劃嗎 |
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呃沒有我們就還是減少舉債增加還債啊呵呵這就是你們的規劃就對了對對對因為這樣讓財第一個債務餘額不會不會一直累積上升很多然後再加上財政就會有韌性那我們到累積剩餘以後明年或後年他需要支出的話就是多一些融資的財源那減少一些可以需要舉的債的數額好 |
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9838.634 |
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9860.326 |
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臺灣法要小心翼翼,這個前6000多月下去的話,中央是很難去做運作的地方掙了這麼多錢,那權力也應該要下放,這個都要事權跟這個錢都要講得清楚因為整個如果這樣的話,連重大建設可能推動上都會受到影響謝謝,謝謝主席、謝謝部長謝謝昆城,接著請伍麗華委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席請部長先休息一下先請促參司好 促參司 市長市長好我們看預算關於促參案 |
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9898.711 |
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9912.983 |
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這個今年提前終止契約的比率是比去年的同期更高那我來看一下一些數據依照促參法簽約的案件有1673件那民間投資的金額是1兆零161億元 |
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9919.522 |
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9934.99 |
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那麼這個契約期間呢估計可以減少政府的財政支出高達一兆8480億元增加政府的收入呢7134億創造超過18萬個就業機會所以從數據上來看是不錯的可是呢如果我們來看它的解約率 |
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9951.536 |
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以110年來講是9%、111年6%、112年呢到14%那先請教一下司長這樣的解約率是低的還是高的 |
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這個解約率大概是12%左右那這個解約率我們有盡量在想辦法就是看可不可以降低所以是偏高的嘛那我想說的是 |
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因為從辦理促參以來我看到提前終止契約的件數高達201件那解約的金額是1294.54億元所以這個提前終止契約的案件數是佔全體案件的12% |
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那我們的這個預算中心他有做這樣的解釋他說畜生案件的提前解約呢很容易發生設施設置不全待處理的問題還有資產閒置的問題以及常常被詬病的很多文字館的這樣的一個情勢所以我想說請您說明一下就是這個提前解約比例 |
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這麼高,它的原因是什麼?跟委員報告,比較高的原因有時候是當然有部分是屬於政府可能政策有一些變更那另外也有一些是屬於民間機構它經營的部分或許有一些財務上的相關問題 |
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還有就是說可能當時就是先期規劃的時候預估的東西跟事實上執行的不太一樣導致財務的部分可能有一些相關的一個狀況所以才會有解約的這種情況那請教就是看起來是連年都不是很理想那這邊促參司有沒有去想過怎麼預防或者是怎麼降低促參的解約率 |
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跟委員這邊說明就是說其實我們從就是修法之後初參2.0之後其實我們致力於在我們的一些相關作業手冊的一些製作還有一些相關財務操作指引的一個製作 |
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還有就是說我們希望就是做一些相關的一個招商文件可以讓我們的一個主辦機關有可以依循的一個部分那另外主辦機關他們在整個履約過程中我們是希望說他可以透過一個就是實際每年的一個訪視作業那看執行機關執行的一個狀況可以事先先做相關的防範 |
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那另外財政部有一個督導考核的一個部分就是我們會考核就是主辦機關他每年做訪視就是履約中案件的一個訪視的一個相關的一個情形那另外最後就是說我們出差二點有新增一個 |
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就是爭議調解的一個機制那假設說甲乙雙胞在履約有相關的一個困難或者是有一些爭執那也可以透過財政部的一個履約爭議調解的一個機制來向我們申請調解那司長 這個初三2.0上路以來有沒有改善有沒有效果 |
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那我們這個促參到底這些民間他是很有意願是爭相來希望可以來參與還是說是我們求他們的比例比較高 |
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各位媒體報告我想我們就是中央政府或是地方的一個政府我想我們都會致力於就是說做出一個比較好的一個案源讓吸引民間的一個資金可以來投資那市長為什麼我這麼重視因為我們來看一下這個促參解約的類別文教、設施 |
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農電業的33、觀光油氣30那如果說我們再來看這些提前解約的金額觀光463億、文教267億、污水下水道171億如果去看它的占比也是很驚人觀光將近6成那公園綠地5成、社會福利也將近5成 |
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那麼我們財政部金管會我們的財委會其實我們也很重視怎麼樣把這些保險金融他們的資金能夠進來參與我們的公共建設可是像這一些我們都已經可以知道可能的情形會發生的情形我就在想說 |
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像這種觀光油氣它是金額最高的文教設施是建樹最多的農業資源循環再利用是簽約比最高的所以這個部分我是希望說要有一個策進作為我原鄉我多麼希望我們能夠投入更多的一個公共這些建設但是我這樣子看我很憂心 |
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我怎麼能夠有期待呢所以是不是可以一個月內給我這個報告好吧好 謝謝那再來請財政部長委員好部長請教您如果說我們做十大民怨調查您認為第一名是什麼 |
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因為我們所知青年人非常重視就住的一個問題對於有關房價都會有一些對 是這個很奇怪其實幾十年來不論哪一個政黨好像高房價始終是民怨之首 |
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好像一直沒有辦法去抑制這個情形那我來看一下我們從清安一直到現在的新清安我們看一下它的貸款額度提高了一點點但是貸款期限增加10年寬限期也增加了2年 |
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政府也做了利息補貼公股銀行也做了減半碼的優惠實施期程也不斷地在延長中好 但是呢 我想我們的購屋指數真的就是數一數二 |
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10396.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
李慧琼、李慧琼、李慧琼、李慧琼、李慧琼 |
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他會影響到要不要結婚結婚就影響到有沒有生孩子然後就影響到我們未來的勞動力我們國家的生產力其實房子很重要很重要這是人生的首務所以我們想我們原住民其實更慘 |
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我們原住民因為是原保地我們蓋房子我們還不能拿那個蓋房子的土地貸款所以我想這個部分它不疊反身成為笑柄那我們也已經很努力了我這是在想說這個部分請教一下部長你們有提到 |
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當時大家在吵得沸沸揚揚在笑我們的時候變成笑柄不諜反聲財政部回應說無漏網之魚濫用者臨容忍投機客勿以身事法因為我們看到更多的投機客更多的人投戶更多的代後轉租 |
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所以財政部也提到提供15項的規範可以讓大家去勾結有沒有這樣的狀況那麼你們截至這個8月我發現公股銀行自行篩選查證疑似高風險 |
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也發現了做了兩波有1575件出租情勢的1366件人頭戶的209件部長你有沒有覺得這個數據嚴重低估 |
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這個部分跟委員幫我們會持續的去做查核而且我們會透過政府的資料來相互比對來做查核我想這個部分是告訴所有的投資客要注意政府不會放任這樣的一個情形讓他們不要以宣誓法那你們有沒有去研議過 |
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就是像這種炒作的、暴力的是不是來研擬、修法把它列入經濟犯罪嗎這個倒還沒有涉及到那個經濟犯罪第一個就是說我們幾十年來啦不管哪個政府、哪個政黨 |
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因為他有違規的話那我們的銀行就會跟他重新談這個貸款條件也就是剛剛委員所羅列出來的新清安第一個政府有利息補貼第二個貸款的期限拉長寬限期也不一樣那這個時候他就要回到非新清安的一般的條件甚至利率也會有不同這個部分是從這樣來做那第二個部分目前來說新清安只 |
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倩貸一次,一生只倩貸一次也就是說你用過以後讓你違規了以後不可能再用或你把房子賣掉以後就回到一般的貸款我覺得這個部分可以遏止他進進出出這樣子去賺取這個差價好,我其實不管什麼新清安貸款我覺得那個都是一個抑制高房價的一個工具 |
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提供我們居住正義的一個工具但是始終我們的根源是沒有改善的所以我覺得財政部這個地方可能要跟其他的部會繼續的要來想怎麼樣的策進作為是真正有效的我想這個才是重點因為 |
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從房價他會影響到的其實是層面非常的廣算是一個國安的一個問題所以我也希望說一個月內我想要來了解看看我們能不能夠再想出更好的一個策進作為也給我一個報告好嗎好 謝謝委員的提醒謝謝部長 謝謝主席 謝謝伍麗華接著我們請陳一貞委員質詢 |
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謝謝主委,請莊部長,謝謝好,我們有請莊部長 |
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委員哈部長剛剛吳委員提到這個是房價的問題牽涉到居住正義還有我們也是國安議題那我現在講的是我們今天修貨物稅條例本期也有提案在有關這個機車的部分機車還有小客這部分也應該調降貨物稅人家覺得騎機車事實上很多年輕人或者小客車是可能一些這個很多就是年輕的這個新婚家族 |
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年輕人還有新婚的這些相對在經濟上還沒有那麼穩固的這種族群所以這個機車條件貨物稅應該沒有什麼問題吧跟委員報告有關機車如果是電動的機車的話其實貨物稅其實並不需要這樣可針對我做的是普遍的嘛普遍的就是機車以前算是可能以前訂貨物稅是為了當它是奢侈品現在機車也不是奢侈品啊 |
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所以凡是機車、機動、腳踏車都應該免徵啊騎機車的族群已經相當弱勢了這個部分應該又可以同意吧 |
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委員報告因為現在貨物稅這個影響稅不大貨物稅這個部分還涉及到污染的一個造行動性的問題所以我們也支持電動機車給更好的我們鼓勵民眾黨電動車電動的我也是支持我們在這個部分給更好的優惠比如還有很多獎勵什麼各方面但一般的呢一般的對於機車還有我國的這種小客車價錢實在是太高了比起世界上很多國家 |
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鄭所得稅這個部分嘛對政交稅要課啊我說股票我說股票所得利得沒有嘛政交稅你這樣這樣在這幾年這幾個月這幾年股票股市不錯所以他們交一點稅也是應該那這個多交的稅我們要來幫助我們這些比較弱勢的族群騎機車的這些小客車讓國內的買車的這個負擔可以降低跟買房負擔降低是一個道理啊 |
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所以今天有提出修正的動議,我有提案,那這應該沒有問題吧?跟委員報告,這個有關稅的部分還是要整體的一個考量而且已經討論很久了,我在上個月就已經請你們研究了,這個應該影響不到涉及到能源的運用以及污染的問題當然再次跟你強調能源不是沒有問題嗎?我們對電動車我們也再積極獎勵嘛 |
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有時候是普遍性的小客車我們是希望透過這邊的獎勵讓我們消費者可以往這一邊去這個也是沒問題但是在沒有人有時候電動車還比較貴很多人沒有辦法負擔的情況下那讓他們去如果還只能買一般的車子這更弱勢的主因我們更應該幫助啊政府的政策除了租稅以外應該還有其他的方式來鼓勵那這是殷實力道嘛讓國人的汽車可以更便宜一點用更好的價錢比國外 |
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至少要跟國外比較接近嘛這個你趕快討論啦齁來我今天問你這等一下我們審就會審到啦齁來我們跟你討論齁在這個2021年的時候齁這個我們那個秋威節就是台北四千元就是什麼呱吉啊他有提議提議啦齁要修正英九管理法的第30條開放網路賣酒有5200 |
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多個復議有5000多位民眾公共政策參與平台有關開放網路賣酒提案在2016年的時候行政院會也通過《英國管理法》修正辦法開放一定條件方面的可以透過網路賣酒由超商交貨法官購買者的年齡因為現在都是網路世界網路科技開放賣酒初期先以小規模實施 |
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這個2016年喔然後接著透過網路大數據分析買酒人的行為資料並不會因此而造成飲酒情形更氾濫了齁你知道我們基本是當然主要都是賣高粱酒啊我們可以繳上繳中用這麼多稅收齁也是因為我們基本人的除了自己努力喝也努力努力吐香齁我講電商對網路賣酒所以 |
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我們是我們現在交互配酒我們自己有交互配酒你們可能不知道知不知道但是我們現在交互配酒價格沒有比以前好了那基本每個人都希望這個酒的價格可以越來越好那當然這個販賣的管單因為在離島嘛我說是不是可以再請你們研議開放網路電商賣酒啦你看看世界各國齁英國、法國、日本中國大陸、澳洲齁都已經有採取用管控機制開放網路賣酒而且行之有年 |
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我們現在政策怎麼樣2021年你們有回應過啦這2021年那時候這個公共政策開放平台提出來的你們說很多的很多理由茂然推動孔量正義這是2021年現在已經現在已經2024快要結束快到2025了那2016也開始實驗過了 |
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你們2021到現在我知道跟委員報告因為現在的菸酒管理法裡面還是對於網路賣酒是不容許的所以我才要提出這個建議要修法所以你剛剛也提到了嘛就是2016年就是105年的時候也曾經有一個修法然後送到立法院 |
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但是呢因為從來以後又各界的意見非常不一致社會沒有共識所以這個部分並沒有完成這個修法我們也在跟衛福部瞭解那衛福部的表示是說根據調查統計我們青少年的飲酒問題有日趨的嚴重所以為了保護這個未成年人身心健康沒有一個 |
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我講的網路賣酒還是不給威神天買啊 一樣不能買啊所以要怎麼在身份認證上要有一個完整的配套配套就是說你在買賣的那個時候去取酒的時候不是超商的時候他可以認證他的身份就好像去超商買酒買煙什麼都要看身份證啊 |
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因為網路賣也是也是很多取貨都是要到很多超商啊到哪裡去取貨啊這個很多東西要認證啊或者上網的時候現在不是有自然能憑證嗎你上網你要可以買的時候你必須要通過那個自然能憑證這個都是方法可以做是用什麼方法我們一樣反對賣給未成年啊 |
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是 方法怎麼那個時代一直在進步啊2021到現在又2016到現在已經8年了2011到2021到現在已經3年了啊這個怎麼跟著一定要跟著時代進步啊我跟你重申我還是反對當然我們也是反對青少年我知道委員的意思在制度上就像以前報稅嘛要去國稅局排隊現在自然人的憑證這樣上去就可以報稅啊怎麼樣在這個程序上做好規範嘛 |
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所以跟委員報告我們也曾經邀集過相關的機關跟團體大家來開會然後呢他們認為說國際間開放網路泛酒的國家還是存在沒有辦法有效的防渡而造購酒這個問題也就是說要有一個完整的配套的防渡這個問題 |
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因為那個現在ATM都是詐騙集團在用被人家去取錢啊領錢出來當詐騙那ATM應該不能使用啊EUFS你就完全如果照你這個邏輯ATM你就不能用啊因為它會變詐騙集團的這個工具啊的確是現在的確是嘛對不對那照你這種邏輯很多東西上網都很危險上網很多東西可能都會賣一些危險物品網路那個電商應該關閉啊 |
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你了解嗎?如果照你這種邏輯你要想辦法去讓管理進入規範嘛而不是一味的禁止嘛你了解我在說什麼嗎?我知道委員您的意見我們是不是再來再來跟相關機關跟團體來研議後我們順便報告大概兩個月吧我上面就寫一個月你還給我兩個月不是啦 研議是一個托詞啦但是真正要人解決啦 |
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你們的心態要開放嘛我知道我們如果照你的邏輯所有東西在網路都不能賣電商應該全部關掉吧什麼東西都可能變成犯罪的工具那委員是不是容許我們兩個月我們是要開會議邀集機關跟團體一起配套對比如說你要具體提出說對於青少年的部分到底要怎麼做有沒有配套的完整的配套對自然能品證啊規定站牌的時候一定要輸入什麼那個不然照你這樣子很多年輕人什麼東西都不應該上去買啦照你們這種邏輯啦這種因約廢時的邏輯嘛 |
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財政部長 |
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你又提供了過去兩年過去兩所大學成大跟台大都是用畜産推動的這個案例那金門大學有準備在116年1月發行4億的30年期公債那看進度這個是已經列入算是你們中央的永續債的個案嗎 |
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請回答委員這個會提早到115年我們提早提早到115年就要發行試議是吧對那這個你們有沒有積極協助這個我們一定會積極協助那你們積極協助的結果會不會像剛剛那個說的201件出差案提前解約文教設施佔了70多件 |
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為什麼文教設施的案子都會提前解約啊?但是我們金門會不會在你們的積極協助下變成這個樣子?提前解約不會因為我們積極協助的關係,因為解約的原因很多我們更加加大努力積極協助好,這個請多多費心了好,謝謝好,休息10分鐘 |
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陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠� |
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陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠� |
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陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠廷等25人、委員陳冠� |
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原本是12.5個投票我們還會再修沒有沒有你要先劃出來要幫人家不是啦他已經劃了啦意思是電子檔沒工可是他如果是用石板就給他劃不是叫他們再注意一下OK OK |
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陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等28人、委員陳冠廷等28人、委員陳冠廷等28人、委員陳冠廷等28人、委員陳冠廷等28人、委員陳冠廷等28人、委員 |
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好 我們現在繼續開會請各位同仁回到座位上謝謝大家 |
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接著我們請黃珊珊委員質詢謝謝主席我想請財政部長還有趙鋒、金控、董董事長以及台灣台酒公司湯董事長 |
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好 那個請部長還有董董事長還有我們的湯董事長委員好是 部長好 還有一位董事長好 部長好 兩位董事長好我想今天有一個很重要的事情就是兆豐金控的董董事長我現在在這裡本席要給你按兩個讚 |
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第一個讚是銀行工會希望能夠訂立融資公司的專法是嗎第二個讚就是之前在兆豐銀行開出第一槍從現在開始到明年要暫停在非實名制的網路社群媒體下廣告現在所有工銀行庫部長全部都加入了嗎第一個土地銀行確定已經加入了其他的勒在座的董董 |
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各位董事長都加入嗎?不加入的舉手?沒有嗎?所以銀行公會也在董董事長的領導之下接下來民營的銀行你要怎麼辦? |
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我們盡量是用呼籲的方式、用勸說的方式呼籲、勸說打詐指揮中心打詐是中華民國政府最重要的工作這些所謂的非實名的社群媒體他們當然是國際公司 |
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離我們跟不離我們會差很多至少至少現在你不知道到底有多少人冒用了我們的這些相關的銀行做廣告只要你沒下廣告就知道那上面的廣告一定是假的對吧沒錯沒錯所以這件事情要堅持部長除了我們公營銀行庫之外我也希望財政部跟銀行工會去跟我們的民營銀行勸說至少這是一個態度的問題好嗎 |
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姜蕾蕾等19人、委員蔡其昌等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員陳菁徽等19人、委員 |
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好 說好了就要做到第二個部分 部長請問財政部所主管的機關大概有編列了4700多萬的媒體政策跟業務宣傳有沒有花在剛剛所說的這些非實名制的網路社群媒體上 |
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12136.005 |
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瞭解的話大概就是租稅的部分我們會做一些宣導大概會是以貼文的方式會去做一些貼文貼文沒有問題廣告的部分沒有吧對對就是用貼文的方式我們也會再去做一些盤查如果能夠以更好的更有效的方式杜絕這些運用這樣子來做詐騙的讓民眾不要上當我覺得更重要這是我們主要的一個 |
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沛琳沛琳沛沛沛沛沛沛沛沛沛沛沛沛沛 |
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陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員 |
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剛剛講的董董事長這樣的動作其實對政府部門算是開第一槍我們也希望政府要一致朝打仗的方向走尤其是像我們有下這麼多廣告這些廣告要用在有用的地方所以那個董董事長你的融資公司法也是銀行公會會大力推動的吧 |
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報告委員其實這個我不敢鞠躬這也是主管機關有要求當然我也去跟主管機關報告說如果去參考日本、香港或是甚至其他英國的話大概也差不多都有這種專法所以我建議是要趕快去設這個專法謝謝我想銀行公會應該是最希望成立專法免得現在變成大家亂成一團 |
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而且最重要的是台灣社會裡面有太多受到這些影響的不管是年輕人也好或者是弱勢族群也好可能比較大的關鍵點是誰是主管機關這樣好 謝謝那兩位董事長請回我請部長繼續喔 |
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今天我們在討論的是貨物稅所以貨物稅裡面把所有的大客車、公共汽車只要是電動車的我們都以作為減免但是現在有關我們這些電動車它最大的問題是主要的問題部長知道為什麼電動車的推廣沒有辦法這麼普及嗎 |
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蔣麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人 |
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好數量不夠現在今年上半年電動車的新掛牌就有19000輛2023年是有2萬多輛那到目前為止電動小客車的總數已經到8萬多輛看起來數量不斷的在增長可是我們的充電樁好像沒有像車輛增長的這麼快 |
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所以很多的問題是充電樁不夠所以大家換購的意願就沒有那麼高現在的問題是充電站不夠的原因可能有幾樣第一個是環境部我們大力在推展可是為什麼還是不夠目標一樣我們是不是有更多的推力跟拉力所以部長曾經在2022年的時候 |
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相關的會計十事無所早就已經在推動說如果要提升台灣的電動車產業就希望充電站的地價稅、房屋稅有沒有可能做一些優惠現在財政部有沒有這樣的方向 |
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有沒有可能做相關優惠因為土地稅法18條規定特定土地的使用項目它可以課徵地價稅然後不需要經由所謂第16條所以以前是用停車場的部分做了樣貫的優惠那充電樁是不是充電站在土地稅法或者是黃屋稅法中間我們可以增加一些所謂的減免的規範部長 |
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委員您提到就是說對充電樁的設置從這個稅的部分來給你鼓勵那這是不是主要的一個原因我覺得這個再去探究然後我們會再去盤整一下相關現行的法令在這個部分是不是可以如果在停車場裡面設停車如果停車場原來也就是免地價稅的話那當然就不會有這個問題那其實停車場本來就有所謂的優惠嘛對那我想還有一個就是 |
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就我所知在因為過往的建築物裡面下面如果現在我們買的房子下面有地下停車位那地下停車位通常大家希望把車子開回去能夠有充電裝因為充電裝有兩種一種可能是很快速的有一種就是很久你才充得飽的 |
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這也是一個問題如何在原有房屋裏面加設電動樁第二個就是新建房屋裏面有沒有要求對停車位裏面就一定的比例這個都是很多的方式來推動土地稅如果做了相關的優惠也許它是一個誘因我講的是拉力跟腿力我除了給它車輛的優惠我給它充電站的優惠可能也是另外一個我只希望 |
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12494.838 |
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財政部因為這個如果免稅減稅會減到地方政府的地方稅所以我希望財政部去統一討論一下是不是找環境部還有我們相關的單位去找到可能給他優惠的機會我們再來研議看看這個可能是除了研議之外我希望它是一個政府淨零碳排目標的一個整體政策裡面考慮的東西裡面的一環是不是另外最後我想還是要問一下跟 |
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部長問一下我們貨物稅其實在我上任之後3月份就有跟您提到除了碳稅接下來要徵了能源稅最重要的是我們的貨物稅其實非常老舊而且不合時宜電視機跟液晶顯示器一個要徵客貨物稅一個不用現在我們找到很多有趣的冰箱要徵貨物稅可是冰藏屍體的 |
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12548.015 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
施提冷凍櫃沒有貨物稅冰凍雪漿的冰庫也沒有貨物稅可是我們一般人的冰箱有貨物稅這是什麼道理如同委員所說貨物稅確實是一個很奇怪的道理冰屍體、冰雪漿不需要貨物稅冰我家裡的蔬菜水果要貨物稅 |
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這個貨物稅該檢討了你當時答應我11月會有檢討報告來的嗎?有一個委外報告嘛,對第二個,液晶顯示器跟電視機一個有貨物稅一個沒有錄音機有貨物稅可是手機有錄音功能也沒有貨物稅這個叫做原則性的問題第三個,更有趣的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
積積積積積的飲料要課貨物稅但是手搖杯不用貨物稅這實在是太奇怪了啦部長你的檢討了沒檢討了多少什麼時候會有檢討報告貨物稅該做檢討全面檢討您提的那個沒有錯您提的當時是說11月底這個檢討那個整個報告會出來但是後來因為他要在範圍的關係所以會延到12月這個報告會出來 |
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| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
梁美芬﹑梁美芬﹑梁美芬﹑梁美芬﹑梁美芬﹑梁美芬﹑梁美芬﹑ |
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這個東西檢討不是只有我說而是全面性你們要重新去檢討所有貨物稅它的合理性好嗎?12月的報告麻煩部長拿出來第二個就剛剛講的你們下的這些廣告的預算也麻煩在一個禮拜之內把相關的預算資料盤點給我謝謝部長謝謝珊珊委員 |
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主席在這裡宣布中午我們不休息那12點以後我們開放就是在會場用餐接著請王洪威委員質詢好謝謝主席我請我們財政部長好還有簡莊部長合庫金控董事長來合庫金控董事長 |
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委員好好部長好那個部長其實剛才啊珊珊委員她講到的貨物稅其實大家都知道貨物稅根本不是一個好稅而且完全不合時宜只是不過這個因為它的稅收實在太多了到明年也有1500億那麼財政部是捨不得這個貨物稅這塊大餅啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
不然貨物稅當年就是為了要增加稅收所以才會出現這麼多就是已經不合時宜的相關規定那我為什麼叫金控董事長何苦金控董事長也一起上來我想請問部長和董事長 |
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前一陣子引起軒然大波的台灣今年董事長的任命請問一下部長這位李政章坐了三天就離開台灣今年董事長到底是誰任命的 |
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跟委員報告對於這個部分台灣金聯是公民營相關金融機構去組成的股權他是誰的代表那他是合庫銀行的股權代表來來我請董事長誰指示您因為呂政章過去跟合庫毫無淵源嘛是誰指示您就是我們合庫代表改派呂政章 |
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按照規定這個合定的權是在行政院是在行政院只是合庫法人代表改派呂政章是嗎那我也之前我也有跟呂先生聯絡過我也有請 |
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我知道啊就是你們找他去啊要改派法人代表嘛所以你來的得來的指令是來自於行政院哪個單位呢部長嗎是我們財政部長還是國庫署還是行政院更高層來董事長我這裡聯繫都是國庫署跟國庫署好那我想請問一下部長這個 |
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李政章作為法院代表是來自於哪個單位的指示?是你指示的嗎?跟委員報告第一個他要去當台灣金聯董事長當然他要必須是股權代表那所以這樣一個人選是經過討論的以後是跟誰討論?所以是財政部討論?我想這個討論大家一起討論這個有關他的資歷跟經歷再做一個討論是 |
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所以財政部認為他的學經歷背景通通足以擔任台灣經聯嗎?一個公司他有公司治理的一個位置是不是嗎?我現在就是要找你願意擔我就讓你擔啊對啊我覺得他應該在資格上是符合而且大家也期待有關的事業機構能夠有新的一些成為所以這個人選是由您決定嗎?我想最後的核定當然是行政院核定還是行政院對不對?是行政院核定那請問一下 |
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這個人是因為現在外傳很多連卓榮泰院長都認為這個人選是不OK的所以現在傳出事實上是來自於總統府秘書長潘孟安秘書長的指示跟要求確實如此嗎這個傳言我並不清楚好 所以你也無法證實是 我們無法證實好 |
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台灣今年董事長短短三天就離開我們來看一下前董事長施敬渝說為什麼他突然被罰官是因為他擋人財路所以他被撤職那麼這個呂政章做了三天就離開的董事長呢 |
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他說因為現在外傳是因為大老闆就是我們賴清德總統震怒所以我剛剛講說如果你要擔你就去擔喔我覺得這件事情總是要有人把責任擔起來的你這張到底是從哪裡從天上掉下來的禮物嗎 |
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然後搞到整個高層人士大亂整個政府的威信被破壞走人就了事了嗎好 呂政章在離開台灣今天說有人怕我上任掀太多問題 |
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請問一下部長台灣今年有什麼問題他說有人怕他掀太多問題一個說我離開是擋人財路一個說我離開是有人怕我掀太多問題台灣今年到底有什麼問題啊部長 |
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跟委員報告他個人他的辭呈他已經寫得很清楚他為了避免行政團隊一些困擾他辭職這我們尊重他那至於他們個人這說了什麼話我覺得這個東西這個不必去再做過多的一些差異這什麼叫做不必再做過多的一些差異這什麼叫做不必再做過多的一些差異這什麼叫做不必再做過多的一些差異這什麼叫做不必再做過多的一些差異這什麼叫做不必再做過多的一些差異這什麼叫做不必再做過多的一些差異這什麼叫做不必再做過多的一些差異這什麼叫做不必再做過多的一些差異這什麼叫做不必再做過多的一些差異這什麼叫做不必再做過多的一些差異這什麼 |
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你們把高層人士當成兒戲嗎在座這麼多位的我們國營金控的董事長、總經理每一個都要被檢視啊是不是今天突然憑空而降出來的一個造成這麼大的問題三天就離開該不該有人負責啊 |
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委員報告他都還沒有就任他就任三天所謂的問題我不知道是什麼樣的一個問題是在哪裡因為他還沒有去好我在這邊而已特別跟部長說公司有公司治理的一個規則對不對土地的處分他是一個非常專業估價要經過三家估價公司的一個評估他不是說隨便可以處理的那請問一下施俊群又不是我當董事長是施俊群當董事長那麼多年他說哎呀不要賤賣國土 |
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所以我在這邊要特別提醒因為我們新任董事長不知道什麼時候才在發布啦但是呢台灣今年因為他擁有非常非常多的土地過去就曾經被媒體質疑我也曾經質詢過台灣今年不要成為一個炒作地皮的幫兇 |
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因為過去在南部都有指控台灣今年有養地的問題有炒作土地的問題那個是在施俊吉擔任董事長任內然後這次子子這個跟那個工業區雲林的工業區有相關所以我要求的是我們所有的金控公司大家都擁有這麼多的資產 |
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台灣金聯當年是為了要去解決我們金融機構的不良資產 |
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結果用一個女政章家族就是製造不良資產的所以部長你怎麼還會在這邊講說他其實是有資格的檢視過他的背景如果你檢視過他的背景家族就是製造不良資產的然後你讓他去處理我們所有金融機構的不良資產像話嗎太丟臉了 |
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他的家族是他的父親跟他弟弟你知不知道這個公司他是大股東啊你知道他這個公司他控股他自己當任董事長就是這家跳票倒閉製造不良資產的大股東啊你知道嗎你不知道您說是哪一家大股東 |
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就是若活輕鬆公司啊造成農業金庫5000萬的呆帳對 是農業金庫沒錯農業金庫5000萬呆帳這家公司他說他是他爸爸說是他的什麼弟弟可是他自己本身是這家公司的大股東你們有查過嗎?丟臉吶怎麼會如此兒喜?所以不知道你難道不知道嗎?他本來要去農業金庫欸 |
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他們本來是要去安插到農業金庫欸農業金庫的這些農運會代表們覺得怎麼可能這樣造成我們這家農業金庫幾千萬呆帳的家族竟然來這邊來當董事長後來還好那個黨下來了如果到農業金庫更丟臉所以部長啊我知道這樣的人士啊絕對來自於高層啊 |
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但是我拜託今天既然不管國庫署也好部長也好今天的我們核庫監控也好你們能不能做最後一點點的把關的工作能不能啊當然我們會做 |
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我這邊講這個李政章的問題是我之前就已經都提供過包含農業金庫當選人家農業金庫至少人家還知道把它擋出去耶結果沒想到竟然找來找去找到我們台灣金聯了還真會找耶有關係就沒關係嗎今天我們有多少 |
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有金融背景出生於基層的就是真的戰戰兢兢的在我們這些公營行庫來幫助守住最後一道防線的情何以堪 |
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所以老實講我今天花了我很多時間我其實還要問很多的問題可是我覺得這件事情因為我自己以前就是跑金融我覺得過去歷任不管是民進黨執政、國民黨執政還真的沒有出現這麼醜的事情過去醜有很多我也提出過很多但是還沒有發生過這樣的一個狀況 |
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你這樣子的話老實講我們這次在處理預算問題我本來還要再問包括我們在抽獎出包的問題這也是財政部國庫局啊那個國稅局然後那個四個重複中獎對不起主席我花一點那個四個重複中獎你們反正都說沒問題沒問題 |
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然後另外你們一個活動十幾個都是姓彭的出現龐大的彭家軍得獎部隊你們有回復嗎?你們有對外說明嗎?然後現在搞到現在說哎呀現在中獎不公告了用私訊來通知得獎人做得真好黑箱到底 |
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委員沒有所謂的黑箱那至於這家公司它的撰寫邏輯、撰寫程式的邏輯是不是有問題已經跟中獎者之間的關係我們已經移請調查局我們是主動請調查局來偵查另外我有一個要求你們說以後呢中獎通知用私訊通知中獎人不再公告 |
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不可以必須公告以遭公信我們一定會秉著誠信公開公平的原則一定會照這樣做所以不能再用私訊來通知要公告 |
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哪裡說就不公告了讓你們看不到為了怕這些得獎者他不知道我們另外再通知他還是會公告的是一個臉書的通知的方式所以你們去通知是另外一回事但是你一定要公告這個文字有公告大家沒有看到誤解了謝謝委員謝謝洪薇接著請羅民財委員花言 |
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主席、各人、處列席、管理大臣、財政部、莊部長部長莊部長你好委員好統一發票的中獎其實是人民的小確幸那自從統一發票現在有很多雲端電子發票現在的比例大概是多少那麼未來還是會持續做電子發票嗎 |
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當然因為可以減紙減碳所以應該是朝向五紙化所以應該是朝向雲端發票來做一個發展 |
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所以以後他中獎的公信力其實有待對外多宣導一下這個部分因為是跟所有人民的利益關係有很多的小學生也好或是國中生、一些家庭主婦每次期待的就是那一張發票可以中獎 |
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所以千萬一定要公正要公平好不好一定的對於兩個月一次的統一發票開票的中獎我們一定是歷來也都是公正公開的那現在那個主數有沒有多一點啊主數我們會隨著就是說那個發票獎金執行的結果因為有些人中了沒有來領我們就會增加主數對現在的問題就是大家想說那有很多中了獎沒去領的那這些獎金跑去哪裡了 |
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就會轉到今年如果再增加組數所以我們希望大家運用雲端發票然後下載我們的APP那這樣的話然後設定他的領獎帳號那這樣他不要對獎金都會直接進入他的帳戶那看到就很開心 |
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副長,你們在座,其實我們也是很相信的但是,為了要讓大眾昭公信,我也是希望說有機會的話,排一下民間的團體,或者是律師、或者會計師等等,現場一起來見證,這樣的話你們也不是比較輕鬆嗎? |
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至於每2個月開票、開統一發票的這個部分都一定會有公正公開的做那至於其他辦理其他的那個租稅宣導的一個抽獎活動我們認為要全面做檢討沒有更好的防範機制之前我們寧可不做寧可不要做這個抽獎我想各份都一定要非常謹慎最高獎金是多少哪一個發票統一發票最高獎金是1千萬 |
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一千萬?哇!不錯勒!那現在每一期有幾張一千萬?每一期不一樣,幾張?每一期的那個特別獎的中獎張數不一定有時候可能會比較多,大概15到17張左右好,來你們多宣導一下有夢最美希望得獎的民眾都可以中一千萬是,謝謝委員我們很期待 |
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另外這講的就是這個今天的貨物稅的部分貨物稅今天這個要不要讓他過我想這個已經是到今年的12月就屆期我們希望對於有關復康巴士還有載運輪椅使用者的那個車子能夠讓他繼續延長這個 |
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免徵的貨物稅可以鼓勵讓我們身體行動不方便的人有一個好的行動方便的工具這個要支持因為多照顧弱勢、社會關懷本來就應該要做比較方便一點我們看到現在這個貨物稅我請教一下現在電動車像Tesla進來台灣要不要課稅 |
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我們這個貨物稅電動車的部分免稅但是小客車要140萬以下的部分免徵140萬以上那個部分是減半所以電動車竟然是免稅的電動車不是全部免稅啊要看那個小客車是一個金額以下那像一樣是小客車現在全世界評比的小米汽車啊 |
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很便宜然後它的性價比也CP值非常高那請問小米有沒有可能會進來台灣需不需要課稅對於貨物進口小米那個是大陸車現在沒有整車進口不可以進口整車沒有進口現在大陸的不能進整車那如果進的話是不是課重稅呢還是根本就不能進現在是都不能進現在不能進喔因為川普當選了以後 |
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| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
有很多的關稅壁壘加稅、關稅一定都會面臨很大的調整那比如說美國進口到台灣的貨品我們會不會因為美國他調高我們跟著調高貨物稅 |
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相關的產品相關的產品我覺得這個部分我們看最後美國川普總統就任以後相關的一些稅制的一些調整我們會持續的觀察部長你要做準備你要沙盤推演一下我們會持續的關注我們國內這個企業不要受到太大的傷害至少我們要承受得起當然我們會關注那像今年 |
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美國又要求我們軍購要增加那我們跟美國買軍購進來台灣的時候要不要課稅 |
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是只課關稅是嗎?軍購啊,譬如買F35啊,或是買比較好的武器進來,會課稅嗎?軍購會不會課稅?軍品的話是有免稅的規定,就是說國防部那邊 |
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他進口的軍品或者是委託廠商進口的軍品是可以免稅的國防部會出具免稅證明那比如說美國要求我們貿易要平衡買了很多波音的飛機現在有很多繼續在買那個進來要不要課稅 |
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柯基若不是國防使用的應該是要課稅提醒部長想一下貿易戰展開了以後我們會面對怎麼樣的問題如何適時的來調整我們會持續關注新任總統上任以後採取的相關的政策 |
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那我們接著就看一些民營機構的表現今年的所有的金融機構表現好不好您是指公民營是吧整個金融機構其實獲利應該是不錯的獲利屢創新高啊那你覺得我們所有的公股相關的這些事業機構哪一家表現得比較好 |
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基本上他們都非常的努力也都在做表現而且每一家其實他們的重點也都不一樣那當然同樣他們也擔負了相關的一些政策的一些任務真的嗎?我看這裡面有一些表現得不錯喔比如說台灣中小企營是,中小企營是因為我們常常在這邊開會我記得幾年前中小企營的股價才七、八塊現在中小企營幾塊了? |
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趙鋒也不錯,合庫也不錯趙鋒本來就是算是公庫表現比較好的這是模範生第一表現的好不好?好啊第一不錯合庫表現的好不好?合庫也不錯啊他們都是系統性的銀行然後都會受到更多的一些監管那你表現的好的你要鼓勵啊 |
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我發現在公股的體系裡面你很認真做表現很好比如說公股相關的今天這裡面有一個最強的我查了一下股價經常漲到80塊是哪一家 |
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在我們在座裡面啊?對啊有八十嗎?不然你管的你都不知道我沒有看照封不是39塊嗎?都39有到八十幾那是不是民營銀行呢?周邊的啦今天就有來我看今天有來啊官貿官貿為什麼官貿?他的表現會那麼傑出是非常傑出我們的稅務系統相關因為他薪水比他們還高啦喔 |
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所以我一直在這邊提到的是公股相關機構的管理你要讓馬兒要吃草 |
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結果你都是那個大鍋飯A、B、C大家吃的都通通一樣的級數所以就沒有辦法鼓勵他們嘛公股民營的部分基本上是由他們公司治理的範圍當然國營事業的部分因為受到相關法規的限制那剛剛委員在質詢的時候也都有提到希望能夠對國營事業的金融機構能夠有一些那個好好調整一下放寬一些管束啊 |
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我們找一個好的經理人可能可以為國家賺更多更多幾倍以上的錢今年稅收大概要超徵多少今年的話中央數大概會超過預算數大概3000億那中央的貨物3000億本席還是要拜託部長 |
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苦民所苦民眾現在物價飆漲生活苦拜託優先超徵稅收還稅於民今年有沒有機會來編一下一個人一萬塊紅包委員沒有這樣的規劃 |
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那你可以想想看啊 可以提啊因為現在民眾真的很期盼不信的話莊部長你去做一下民意調查就是說政府今年稅收又超徵30千億如果這些錢不要亂花優先來分給每一個民眾一個人加發紅包一萬塊 |
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你來做一個民意調查看看大家贊不贊成委員我想政府部門對於需要幫助、輔助的一個民眾都會努力的在做所以我們社福支出事實上是目前來說稅出裡面占最高大概到26%、27%那是對真正需要的人政府應該我們有這樣好的一個財政我們累積財政的能量可以讓需要需要獲得資源的部分可以獲得更好的資源我覺得比對更重要 |
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你講這個我也接受啦因為每一次我們在財委會多年來要替民眾要紅包爭取福利第一個財政部一定說NO但是我希望部長回去還是想想看或是民意調查調出來以後 |
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如果民眾有這個需要拜託拜託一個人發紅包一萬塊拜託謝謝謝謝委員謝謝謝謝羅明財委員部長這個羅委員諮詢非常高招你千萬不要讓他分化你跟宮古銀行的感情接著請王世堅委員發言 |
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14140.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
14143.513 |
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謝謝主席 我請部長 總部長好 請部長委員好部長 今天兩個問題第一個問題就是我上禮拜那麼我在質詢金管會彭諸葳的時候我跟他提到我們央行有一項規定就是針對我們所有 |
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14167.43 |
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14193.104 |
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銀行那貸款給建商這種空地貸款有個限令就是空地貸款必須在18個月內一年半當中取得建造來開工這是貸款的條件那這個規定行之十數年、二十年之久啦那結果我問了一下 |
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14221.142 |
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這個各銀行我就問我們九大公營行庫就是說這貸款超過18個月還沒有開工這樣子的案件有多少金額多大結果我得到的答覆哇大吃一驚嚇了一跳總金額啊銀行體系貸款 |
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14248.075 |
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九大公營行戶貸款給建商空地貸款超過18個月的金額竟然高達2180億之多啦2180億之多那當然九大公營行戶人家有的模範生像易營、像這個鍾曉慶人家都是 |
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十來億而已很小的金額啦這裡面最大金額的竟然是我們公股百分之百關股的土地銀行土地銀行光它一家就高達1173億它一家啊就會另外八大公營行庫加起來總和 |
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| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
14292.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
還不夠他多這已經到不可思議的地步啦所以部長因為九大公營安庫董事長、總經理都你派的 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
14293.226 |
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14316.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
所以我除了要求金管會要嚴加查查以外我今天就是要問你要問九大公營行庫董事長、總經理你們對貸款給建商裡面多數都是不效建商才會這麼做貸款去買了工地之後擺著 |
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14318.615 |
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14327.981 |
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不開工、不申請建造他擺明了就是買地、養地、圈地就是這麼簡單欸部長2000我把尾數刪掉2000億就好建地我們抓100萬一坪的就好 |
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兩千億可以買一百萬的建地買二十萬坪欸也就是說我們公營航庫體系隨時啊擺著兩千億給這些不孝建商拿去買地、全地、養地並向的助長他們炒作房地產並向的助長不孝建商拉抬房價 |
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14367.479 |
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14378.108 |
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難怪難怪我們全國各地不只首都而已喔你看這兩三年來房地產這個漲幅過去我們社會還有那麼多中產階級現在中產階級通通變成烏奴因為房地產大幅上漲啊 |
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14394.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
14406.37 |
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這大幅上漲背後的幫兇竟然是我們公營航庫最大的幫兇就是土地銀行董事長站起來董事長你站起來何董張總我不曉得你們來多久啦我今天把數字跟你講1173億你怎麼解決 |
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14442.984 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
到9月、10月好各少掉200多億額度減減個200多億這樣還不夠啦土地銀行不要拿這個當藉口我私下找你們問的時候你們說土地銀行是專業的建築融資土地融資主席請再上來 |
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14451.085 |
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14479.501 |
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我以為主席請他坐下不會啦謝謝主席那個你們的私下答覆說你們是專業的啊專業的建築融資、土地融資沒錯你是專業沒錯你借的金額也超大沒錯你總計你這些房地的借款 |
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14480.643 |
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一兆4800億沒錯可是跟你一樣大的人家台灣銀行一兆4000也是800他多你還多你14億一兆4819億人家台灣銀行當然也不少啦也不少他預期18個月的142億142億剛好你的尾數你比他多1000億 |
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14530.56 |
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好了 其他人家 三商營這個我剛剛講 義營是模範營郎阿他借的也不比你少欸比你少啦 他大概你的一半喔但是 人家只有12億那 莊營更不用講 |
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| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
14547.491 |
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張瑩啊 貸放債建築土地融資的一兆五千億 超過你結果張瑩預期的金額也是你的尾數才148億所以你怎麼解釋這個啦所以 那個 那個部長 |
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14556.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
你是他們政治的母親啦你拉拔他們出來的嘛所以這件事我就交給你啦好不好好 謝謝委員我想這個部分委員所說的就超過18個月還沒有動工的購地貸款這個數額確實要給處理跟控制然後也不能過度的集中是 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
14599.463 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
那就交給你啦好不好其他各銀行我就不多念啦那個比較多的齁超過200億的我稍微念一下何故林董事長、王總經理你226億喔我讓你知道一下啦好不好跟義營、台信營去學習嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
問他們人家是怎麼控管的好不好他們有當一回事啊好不好合作金庫本來在我的名單裡面你們算是模範銀行欸結果暫時把你踢除啦吼好那部長我就敲給你啦兩位董事長總經理請回吼謝謝委員我還有第二個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
14643.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
今天第二個問題就要跟你談到說我們台灣我們國家我們台灣人民就是那麼慈苦耐勞我們的超額儲蓄率這幾年確實逐年創新高這非常的好我們超額儲蓄率從 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
14645.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
14655.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
大約5年前開始每年2.23兆之後都突破3兆以上到了今年預期我們可能超額儲蓄3.84兆 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
14659.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
14669.251 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
草原儲蓄率高達15.46%這個在避逆這些先進國家包括德國它才4.2%日本2.1%韓國1.8%美國更扯它是負數負1.8%那這些都是正面現在問題是說我們如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
14679.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
14705.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
把我們國家國民辛苦所得超額的這個儲蓄率跟資金如何把它引導到能夠參與我們國家的公共建設也就是說民間參與公共建設但是隨著我們超額儲蓄增加但是民間參與公共建設這個量能都沒有明顯成長我光統計 |
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14707.949 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
14722.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
107人到現在這6年裡面從83件捧接的那一件來有時候稍微增加到90幾件最高來到172件到去年才100件金額也都大概在1000出頭億今年大概去年總結1876億我為什麼跟你講這個呢就是說這裡面啦這個金額齁 |
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14735.151 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
14762.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
我們還是財政部還是把其他法令參與公共建設的都算進去欸欸部長我現在列給你看了這個說去年100屆1876億你是把比方說他是根據大眾捷運法他根據國有財產法他根據都市更新條例這種獎勵的你通通算進去這些不單單只是 |
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14765.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
14784.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
這個促進促參法的這個所以也就是說如果單就促參法而言我們那個成效更差結果促參法的推動我們不是沒花錢部長你編的這不是你編的啦你的前年他編102年到110年所謂的促參忠誠計畫花了7億2千萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
14792.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
14818.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
花了7億2千萬就要鋪通下去你看就是剛才那個成績啊沒什麼成績那麼花了這些錢以後促參法占民間投資總額不到三成只占24.79%我現在表格上列給你的右下角24.79花了那些錢下去欸 |
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| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
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說只是去推動促參法喔只是去推動喔就要花那些預算結果結論24.79%今年右邊啦部長在您任內 |
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14858.524 |
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你的任內不是今年編的啦前年編的編到114年為止要五億一千萬所以部長我就跟你說這五億一千七百萬這是你任內的這你責無旁貸你一定要監督這一筆錢下去推動出產法它的成效是怎樣好不好部長 |
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14885.046 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
委員跟委員報告您提到差額儲蓄的部分確實我們是希望把民間資金都投入到國家的公共建設那促餐是其中一個方式當然也有依照非促餐法來做那同樣也是民間投資的譬如它依照電業法或者是蔣餐條例的交通建設等等都有那包含商港法也是那促餐法的部分在我們110 |
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14886.567 |
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14901.436 |
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一年修正以後展開了所謂促餐2.0我們會希望做得更大的一個部分那也一直都在相關的執法也都在訂定當中我們希望這個部分會加大力道來推動促餐主席我一分鐘你提完我再跟你講最後的結論是 |
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14906.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
14921.285 |
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有要繼續補充嗎?我跟你講有啊你有做嘛你也編了預算是前一筆7億多的那不是你任內算的再來這一筆這是你任內一直到明年這5億1000萬所以我認為這一筆預算你要嚴格去監督去推動是的 |
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14946.564 |
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主要的不是那幾億啦主要的是要有成效不要再讓我們看到說什麼24.79%我認為啦參與民間參與公共建設提前終止契約是一個大問題那提前終止契約這個問題齁我統計了一下我統計了一下我們大概 |
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提前解約的大概佔了12%每年大概實踐金額大概到1300億左右所以部長我是建議這樣啦因為我們促產法是不是在推動我們應該納入 |
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14963.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
14990.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
強制仲裁這個規定也就是說如果有這些爭議的時候那趕快快速解決要不然你比方說像比方說像屏東大鵬灣現在就爛在那裡啊結果我們政府也花了那麼多錢那擺在那個地方地方的民眾看著眼看著很心急光光沒辦法起色政府也花了錢那好在那邊不知道要拖到何年何月何時所以是不是促三法應該把 |
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這個強制仲裁這個規定納進去以公共利益最大化為優先來考量好不好在初三法修正的時候曾經有想走強制仲裁但是後來因為法治上因為不符合因為仲裁必須是雙方合一但是也有說廠商提供仲裁機關不能進去我們再用書面再做一般的我都會同意啦只是政府不同意啦 |
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好 謝謝委員 謝謝我們再用書面跟你們補充 謝謝時間委員接著我們請羅廷維、委員花妍謝謝昭偉 有請部長部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
15040.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
15063.589 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
委員好好部長今天有審查貨物稅條例剛剛我們陳玉正委員跟我們一些委員也有一個修正動議關於機車的貨物稅的調整我們也希望能夠極力來爭取也希望財政部這部分能夠納入考量那今天我想先請問一下部長您有沒有最近或者是有這樣的經驗去過預售屋巡駕房屋的一個價格 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
蔣麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等19人、委蔣麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等19人、委 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
15088.49 |
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15097.458 |
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竟然最大的是我們的公股我想這一部分應該要實際來做檢討我們就是實際在幫建商在養地嘛您認同嗎 |
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15099.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
15126.269 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
這個部分我們銀行公股銀行都已經納入這個部分所以是不是應該檢討對於超過18個月而沒有動工的購地貸款都有在做檢查所以我從前面的我們去預售屋的一個巡駕到現在整個18月未動工這部分應該整體來做一個環環相扣的一個考量後續我要再提到的是自從2012年12月提出的清安貸款到2023年8月又進一步推出新清安貸款這十幾年來房價不斷的飆漲 |
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15157.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
丁之所得成長卻非常有限通膨又再加上來本席想問的是到底這十幾年來有沒有追蹤歷年申請核准清安後在這個寬限期結束後還能繼續繳交每月本期的有多少人或者是連寬限期都還沒有結束就已經斷頭的十幾年下來還能夠按部就班交貸款的有多少有沒有這個數據 |
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從開始辦一直到現在他的違約率其實只有0.04%換言之絕大部分的貸款戶都是依約在繳還本息的 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
15173.12 |
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15198.115 |
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好 如果有統計的數據能不能在散會後給這個本席以及財政委員會所有委員一份資料是 我們在提供書面的統計資料好 我要講的是如果2023年以前的親安貸款戶大多都能夠繼續繳交貸款推出新親安的這個精進方案我們當然樂觀其成可是現在我們看到新親安的精進方案它已經變相吸引年輕人入坑你有感覺到嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
15199.309 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
15215.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
委員我想不是變相吸引年輕人入坑我們其實在這個統計裡面我們知道這個部分呢其實雖然我們有放寬限期到5年事實上沒有用寬限期的佔了51%3年的佔了14%5年的是25%所以大部分的青年人買了以後他還是希望能夠盡快還清他的貸款本金 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
15223.954 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
15250.532 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
所以我想他們在買房子的時候一定有經過相關的財務上的一些評估那為什麼最近我們還要去做檢討呢我想我一直以來都跟部長在講您的數據有沒有錯可是跟實際面會不會有一點點不一樣或者是很大大的不一樣我想這個部分到底經濟方案從寬限期從3年延到5年房貸期限從30年延長到40年本席想請教部長一個刑犯的一個問題請問凌遲30刀 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
15253.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
15256.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠� |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
15282.174 |
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| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
這就是我們現在對於年輕人他接收到了清安貸款他可能不知道整個後續的安排但你們的數據裡面卻只告訴我們說沒有啊能夠持續繳交貸款的還很多啊我想跟實際面真的有一些差距現在年輕人很多都買不起房根本的原因就是房價不斷的飆漲薪水又沒有什麼增加30年的房貸之下買不起40年的房貸則算成現在的總本 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
15307.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
15332.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
立和更是買不起利息雖然有補貼一碼半但還是要繳交我想坦白講本席認為就算無息只要償還本金很多人還是買不起根本的問題就是房價高到買不起所以又何必從30年拉長到40年呢寬限期從3年延長到5年讓人以為買得起一旦寬限期一過讓整個聯盟代理暴漲的金額我想年輕人真的是最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
15333.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
15346.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
會承擔整個風險跟斷頭的一個問題整個新清安貸款現在所面臨到的問題從媒體不斷的報導從實際我們所接觸到的問題我希望財政部能夠更全面的去了解來解決 可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
15347.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
15365.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
中委員報告我們銀行在核貸的時候都會讓當事人知道試算給他看他如果用幾年的寬限期以後每月繳交多少錢都會算給他而且我們的銀行在核貸的時候也會了解他的收入狀況這個在核貸之前都會做相關的審核的 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
15366.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
15393.146 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
我想從你的口中所提到的讓我來感覺到我們現在所面臨到的問題是真正無殼蝸牛他買不起房沒辦法去做這樣子的一個行為而你們一直在反應的是這些人他們都有經濟能力他們繳得起那他到底是不是心清安真正要解決的這些無殼蝸牛的青年我們都有待考驗所以我希望真正解決到青年無殼蝸牛他們第一次購房的一個需求 |
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15395.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
15412.811 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
謝謝羅廷惟委員部長那個書面的一個報告給那個羅廷惟委員謝謝鄭天才、鄭天才、鄭天才委員不到楊瓊英、楊瓊英、楊瓊英委員不到接著我們請羅志強委員主席有請部長好我們請財政部莊部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
15428.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
15450.733 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
委員好部長請問你買過大樂透或威力彩嗎沒有耶沒有啊您作為公益彩券的主管機關我建議你還是要買一下啦好起碼體驗一下吧好對你直接到店裡走到入口隨便一家去體驗你是主管機關總是要體驗一下好那你想請教大樂透跟威力彩有公佈得獎人嗎 |
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15453.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
15480.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
公布的獎額有沒有公布得獎人得獎人應該沒有沒有啊你知道為什麼沒有公布得獎人還是很多民眾會去買因為根本不知道誰得獎欸為什麼大家去買那當然去買的人都希望有一些希望嘛存著心中的一個美好的希望對啊我告訴你去買的人就是因為相信政府啦沒錯吧那我如果說講希望的話我也可以再辦一個大樂透對不對大家來跟我買 |
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15509.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
那中獎是我決定來誰中獎會有人來買嗎委員意思就是說政府在辦這一類的這樣的時候第一個很重要的就是誠信公開公正公平我覺得這個是一定要做到的所以我想部長你也知道我要質詢哪個題目我要特別講你們辦的那個雲端種數區一起集點數的抽獎活動那現在已經在網路上是炸開很多人真的這件事情就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
15510.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
15531.708 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
足以潰體啊就是讓財政部的公信力受損的話那政府辦的任何抽獎大家都會質疑啊那我們再提出來這個就是有四位民眾重複中大獎那時候我跟財政部曾經質詢過這機率多少啊?機率多大?天文數字吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
15532.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
15549.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
我知道很多人去試算了一下,可能是什麼兆分之一啊,大家都在那邊試算當然我覺得這個事情,這個廠商在這個程式的邏輯上,用很多的方式是有問題的來來來,然後你們說要去檢討嘛,我有看到你們檢討報告那我想請問部長,你對這個檢討報告滿意嗎? |
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15554.755 |
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15577.725 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
我們第一個就行政調查的部分我們做到第一個我們相關的人員跟這些中獎人士沒有任何關係包含三金等一類都不是我這樣講好了第二個就是說在他發票取得的部分我跟你講我就報告來跟你說是政府公信力三大基礎啦公平公正公開嘛對不對你的報告說齁廠商齁他沒有按照一般隨機抽獎方式你辦個抽獎一般來說一定就是隨機抽獎吧 |
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15584.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
15608.56 |
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你不按一般隨機抽獎就是不公正第二個你又說他才調高積極參加者之全數值給予優先抽獎機會嘛對不對那怎麼調高我想第一我先問問廠商沒有按照一般隨機抽獎的方式事前有讓財政部知道嗎你們同意嗎台北國稅局主辦這個我們也詢問過他並沒有告知台北國稅局對啊 |
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15620.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
你們也知道這會有問題的吧因為這會傷公信利的嘛然後第二個他可以採調高積極參加者全職給予優先抽獎的機會他決定啦 對不對 |
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15621.545 |
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15647.561 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
對 所以這個部分我們認為就是有沒有什麼樣的不法行為在裡面跟中獎者之間有沒有什麼關聯第三個我覺得是財政部幫我最不能接受的地方你說每位抽獎者能否中獎取決於前開抽獎程式鎖定變數尚難計算其中獎率你財政部主辦的抽獎到時候你告訴人家中獎率你都算不出來那我想請問 |
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15649.383 |
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15661.699 |
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那請問我怎麼相信你在後面的後台比如說我後台怎麼調抽獎方式就後台決定啊如果這一套模式是用在大樂透你覺得大樂透會不會崩盤啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
15663.41 |
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15688.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
我們這個部分才請檢調去調查局去做調查我跟部長說啊檢調當然要去查可是這一個所謂的抽獎的整個的流程你事前沒有掌握然後呢事後的報告你寫的這種狀況我居然就提油救火嘛網路上評價這個報告叫裝效為報告啊你知道嗎你根本沒有沒有辦法修補你財政部的公信力啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
15716.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
什麼叫做沒有按照一般隨機抽獎的模式他可以後台自己去調高所謂的所謂積極參加者那我就問嘛積極參加者什麼叫積極參加者到底多少張發票收集叫積極參加者部分我們去把它檢視它的程式以後我們誠實的去呈現也就是跟一般認為說這種隨機抽獎最後我跟部長說我們非常誠實去呈現這個部分部長最後要跟您說啦題愧已穴啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
15720.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
15739.849 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
因為財政部不管是我們的發票對不對首獎一千萬動輒幾億的大樂透跟所謂的那個威力彩這些公益彩券其實人民之所以願意買只有一個原因啦我相信政府的公正我覺得政府不會搞我嘛一定是公平公正嘛 |
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可是今天如果財政部自己主辦的抽獎活動大家覺得你不公平不公正當然就會開始對政府產生懷疑阿我跟部長不客氣的講當我質詢這個題目上個禮拜的時候底下留言一堆都是開始質疑什麼公益彩券阿我們當然不樂見這種情形可是財政部這種事情不能再發生好不好 |
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不能讓他再發聲好 謝謝謝謝委員 郭子強委員那鄭振全、鄭振全、鄭振全委員不在那我們接著請洪曼凱委員好 主席謝謝麻煩請莊部長好 我們請莊部長 |
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陳部長我延續了齁短問因為我覺得財政機關稅務機關其實讓國人相信或是讓國人願意說我誠實納稅繳稅就是因為認為是說財政機關、稅務機關是資珠必較不會多算、不會少算 |
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但是這一次的這個抽獎雲端發票的疑雲確實讓國人很嚴重懷疑所以你的報告裡面講說善男計算其中獎率到目前為止還是沒有辦法計算出來是不是 |
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跟委員報告由於他那個程式我們拿出來檢視以後他有很...我怎麼講很複雜他去看寫了很多對對對跟一般認為有那個隨機去抽的那個完全邏輯不太一樣那這樣到底公不公平所以這個部分我們就很誠實的去呈現這樣的對不對那你身為主管機關你現在也不知道說你旗下廠商辦了一個抽獎活動到底公平或不公平 |
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所以我們請 這樣的調查報告我們就請調查局去調查我們請調查局去做調查第二個部分 對 來第二個部分 你 兩點嘛第一個是說你還沒有辦法計算其中獎率所以也沒打算算了反正中獎率我算不出來那第二個部分是善待司法調查確認設計的邏輯是不是超越本活動目的的必要範圍 |
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所以也交給司法去處理我們身為主管機關發包了這樣的一個案子我們也沒有任何的我們是甲方啊但我們沒有任何的這個控管的機制 |
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呃...要檢討我認為這個案子確實要深切的檢討以後再辦相關的活動都不能有這樣的一個情形不管事前、事中、事後都要加強那我請教我們現在的這樣的一個合約這一個活動我們對於乙方有什麼樣的一個要求措施當然要依照合約來執行我想這個台北國稅局會也會在進行這方面的處理嗯 |
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是啊不是啊部長現在已經過去了兩個禮拜了我們本來以為欸其實這個議題說實在部長會不會覺得有點無視了塵埃啊照理講我們下個這個預算會期大家在講的是財政部以往也沒有那麼擄主過啊然後結果突然間你在院會也被問院長也被問財政委員會我們也在關心我不是無地放矢啊我也不是吃飽太閒啊真的是因為你們自己拿石頭砸自己的腳 |
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而這個檢討報告出來之後又讓國人更加沒有辦法接受就是你已經給你們兩個禮拜了院長在院會信誓旦旦講是說一定會告訴國人結果你們檢討報告出來還是你們不知道中獎機率不知道公不公平不知道反正司法會調查出來 |
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我們就行政調查的部分我想在我們報告裡面已經有呈現的已經有呈現的很清楚包含人的部分以及發票取得方式當然我們知道這件事情不應該要發生的也就是說財政部過往所做的許多的活動也好或者是稅務的申報也好讓國人信任是長時間累積下來的但是一件這樣的一個活動讓財政部受損我覺得這是一個非常不應該的一個事情確實是 |
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因此對於我們以後再類似的我們一定要深刻檢討不容再發生這樣的一個情形好 那既然這樣的話本席也看到好像8月我們相關的這個 |
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雲端眾數去的粉絲專頁同案也有所謂的AI繪圖人氣網比賽現在本來有講是說要在10月25號終極抽獎記者會然後有獲得超商的禮券但是這個粉專又公佈說AI人氣網比賽得獎名單暫緩公佈我想請教現在會不會一波未評一波又起 |
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這個是另外一個是一樣的粉絲專頁啊這個粉絲專頁是雲端眾數據一起集點數在11月7號的時候又發布就說同案的AI人氣網比賽得獎名單要等待調查結果確認無誤才另行辦理公告 |
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跟委員報告所以下面網友講習有國防部、金有財政部啊那部是那個遮掩的部啊等於是把財政部跟以前國防部這樣子給類比啊部長 |
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我想這個事情台北國稅局可能在做這個的時候想得也不周延然後造成一些誤解也就是說您剛剛講了一波微評一波又起然後我們已經先開記者會先做一個說明是告訴大家我們其他的活動其實都是按照誠信公開公開原則我覺得這個部分都要深切檢討整個活動這些事情都要去做 |
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為什麼又延後了呢?如果說你們已經開記者會已經公告了你們已經有調查、有了解、有介入結果到現在還又要延後11月7號的時候又說要再延後得獎名單等等的部分那難道不會讓大家外界更質疑嗎?對,這個部分要檢討你這沒有直寫部長你除了持續跳針說檢討以外我覺得現在財政部沒有直寫 |
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每說一句或每公開一句就是讓國人如果越來越不相信我覺得這不是國家之福我知道委員是一個深切的一個期許我覺得這個部分國稅局在做這個部分確實有點不夠周延是不是會後一共書面的報告給洪孟凱委員如果說這書面報告來還是一樣沒有答案的報告也不要浪費紙了 |
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因為這一個活動一開始叫做雲端種樹其實就是要節省職場 |
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我覺得這很痛心啦!是!我知道!我知道!同樣的!我也一樣!是!好!謝謝!謝謝孟楷委員!林倩琦、林倩琦、林倩琦委員不在!何新淳、何新淳、何新淳委員不在!高鈞素梅、高鈞素梅、高鈞素梅委員不在!蔡玉瑜、蔡玉瑜、蔡玉瑜委員不在!吳思瑤、吳思瑤、吳思瑤委員不在!接著我們請黃國昌委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席事事可以麻煩有請第一位財政部莊部長財政部莊部長然後第二位土銀何董事長土銀董事長第三位第一金礦邱董事長第一金礦邱董事長第四位合作金庫林董事長合作金庫然後台灣中小企銀劉董事長台灣中小企銀劉董事長 |
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我也好部長、各位董事長時間關係不一一問候首先先請核庫董事長核庫董事長台灣金聯本來核庫派去的法派是施俊錡嗎? |
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是那後來換成了一位呂先生嗎是那這個是誰要你換的 |
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報告委員因為這個是公股事業機構裡面的聯繫事項那國庫署有跟我們通知那所以齁上面有很多董事長來每一家銀行幾乎都有法派到這個台灣接連去嘛所以你們法派到底是誰去當董事這件事情是由財政部直接指揮對不對 |
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董事長的核定權是在行政院那董事的法派是銀行這裡所以我就具體的問你核庫把施俊錡換下來施俊錡本來是你們核庫的法派是財政部通知你把它換下來的是嗎國庫署國庫署你通知你換下來的時候有給理由嗎 |
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有告訴你說為什麼要把他換下來嗎那個請董事長回答國務署告訴我們的時候他是沒有具名理由因為他沒有具名理由因為按照公股事業管理的部分如果說超過68歲的時候是應該應該是來我們來看一下齁我們國家的制度啊我老實講有一點畸形啊 |
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法人董事這個制度本身在公司法裡面有很多討論但我們尊重既有的制度就按照既有的制度來談這個法人董事是你們合庫派的嗎是好來請教一下合庫喔針對台灣今年這幾年營運的表現合庫作為派出法人董事你派出的法人董事容認董事長覺得他的績效如何 |
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他的部分我們每一年都有進行考核那你覺得他的績效如何阿如果是按照他這幾年的績效是維持相對的穩定他的EPS阿看起來啦我老實講我也有去看你們核庫的EPS啦你們核庫的EPS也沒有比人家高多少啦我說的沒有錯吧沒有錯我們一年大概一點多對啊 |
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這樣子的績效表現還無預警被判下來換一位訓理的先生來我請教一下部長台灣今年歷任的董事長有哪一位是沒有財經背景的歷任的董事長當然有好幾位是有哪幾位沒有財經背景的說給大家聽 |
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財經背景沒有財經背景的因為我大概就知道是最近的幾位嘛最近的幾位都沒有財經背景喔應該是有吧應該是有喔來來來我給您看啊我把台灣今年歷任的董事長啊您不用背啊我全部都把它列在上面啊我全部都把它列在上面啊歷任的董事長沒有財經背景的兩位 |
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一位林美珠一位林美珠我們前總統的親戚當過勞動部部長部長你知不知道他幹了幾天下台一天吧一天嘛現在這位呂先生是第二位啊呂先生是第二位為什麼我把他全部列出來台灣今年欸 |
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是我們每一個銀行要派法人董事耶接受財政部的命令啊共同撐起來的一家公司啊給他當董事長只要有政治酬庸下場就像今天這個樣子讓所有的國人看得瞠目結舌啊國醫師院拿來當酬庸已經讓人沒有辦法接受了結果竟然當兒戲啊竟然當兒戲啊 |
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上任以後三天就辭職所以台灣今年的董事長看起來不是很重要嗎台灣今年的董事長這個位置重要嗎部長每一家公司的董事長當然都是重要的如果重要的話幹了三天就辭職了我想他的辭職書的內容大家他也都有說明了是呂戰章啊他政治上面的背景之前記者會都講過我就不多說了啦 |
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他的任命恐怕也不是部長你可以決定的吧是誰決定要用呂政章的部長是您決定的嗎這個人事案的核定是在權責是在行政院是在行政院嗎核定權是在行政院所以這個人是你提上去的還是行政院交辦下來的當然這邊是由我們財政部簽辦的 |
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是你簽辦上去的嘛然後你跟大家解釋一下你當初為什麼會簽呂政章上去我們講對這個部分對他個人的相關的經濟力我們都有所了解是所以你了解而已會就提一個沒有財經背景的之前沒有辦法幹農業金庫的董作可以幹台灣金聯的董作所以我才請教你嘛台灣金聯的董作這個位置重不重要嘛如果重要的話我們的財政部啊把它當兒戲喔 |
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我們是沒有把他當兒戲的如果沒有把他當兒戲的話幹了三天就下來部長會不會覺得很遺憾他不應該辭應該繼續幹下去我想他個人在辭職的理由在說明書裡面都有說到了我們尊重他個人對啊你找了一個人只幹了三天就不幹了你不會覺得很丟臉嗎你們當初在選這個人的時候有慎重嗎 |
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你說是你簽上去的嘛簽了幹了三天就下台財政部都不用負責今天你如果說是卓榮泰決定的那卓榮泰負責嘛但你剛剛說什麼是你簽上去的啊所以我才請教你人怎麼選的嘛你人怎麼選的幹了三天以後就下台部長你有沒有什麼話講說你從這件事情裡面你有沒有得到任何的教訓 |
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還是這一次人事的作業財政部的作業完備、完整、專業他幹三天就下台是我們國家的損失部長你從這一次的試驗當中到底得到了什麼教訓、學到了什麼我想委員您說的也很清楚當然我們在用人上是要謹慎沒有錯好這一次一個主席站起來了現在他辭職以後這個位置懸缺嘛 |
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目前是由總經理代理是是是那我會一直代理下去嗎當然這個部分我們會另外做考量對我只講一件事啦我希望喔這次重新任命的時候財政部簽出來的人是要真的有專業讓社會幸福的人不要用政治酬庸的方式啦 |
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找一個莫名其妙的人上去啊到時候社會大反彈啊我希望這一次財政部的人事作業啊真的要慎重啊不要犯一樣的錯誤 可以嗎是的 謝謝委員好 謝謝黃國昌委員接著我們請張智倫、張智倫、張智倫委員不在胡坤祺、胡坤祺、胡坤祺委員不在接著我們請陳佩儀委員 |
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16706.8 |
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16710.864 |
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好 謝謝主席 委員會準時4分鐘 有請財政部長好 我們請莊部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
16716.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
16743.006 |
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委員好部長我要先恭喜財政部跟我們宮古航庫還有台灣煙酒公司為什麼呢因為你們在今年體育署的體育推手獎當中我們又達到了幾乎是全壘打成績我覺得這真的是國家帶頭示範貫徹企業社會責任的最好示範我要先恭喜財政部但是呢部長有一件事情你應該有印象我跟你講了非常非常非常非常非常多次都是跟您直接 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
16743.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
16757.597 |
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陳琦等16人、委員陳琦等16人、委員陳琦等16人、委員陳琦等16人、委員陳琦等16人、委員陳琦等16人、委員陳琦等16人、委員陳琦等16人、委員陳琦等16人、委員陳琦等16人、委員陳琦等16人、委員陳琦等16人、委員陳琦等16人、委員陳琦等16人、委員陳琦等16人、委員陳琦等16人、委員陳琦等16人、委員陳琦等16人、委員陳琦等16人、委員陳琦等16人、委員陳琦等16人、委員陳琦等16人、委員陳琦等16人、委員陳琦等16人、委員陳琦等16人、委 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
16762.541 |
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16785.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
自己去找職業工會加保你有沒有覺得聽起來怪怪的我們來看下一頁之前我也跟您分享過我們去問過勞動部部長部長說這沒有法律的問題只有意願的問題我知道您的幕僚會跟你說怕加保了之後他就變成正式員工啊可是他就不是正式員工那部長我跟您分享相關的案例人家怎麼做的我們來看下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
16786.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
16802.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
同樣在我們郭志輝部長企業球隊他們有加保而且是兼職的員工中華電信約聘球員有沒有加保有民間企業在彰化伯利利蘭球隊伯利利蘭球隊裡面也有加保Loyal內部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
16803.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
16824.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
那可是難道是我們這些民間企業太不聰明或是我們中華電信太不聰明了嗎他們不懂得叫選手自己去外面簽所以但是你們財政部我剛剛講的卻可以一再的放任我覺得這樣對於選手對於相關的勞動權益真的非常的不尊重更何況賴清德總統即將要讓我們行政院成立 |
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16825.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
16846.739 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
運動部那我們是這樣對待所謂這些運動選手的嗎我看你的目牙在跟你搖手我還是覺得聽起來我怕等一下聽到很可怕的訊息這樣這是第一個問題第二個問題我想要問喔公股銀行對於運動團隊跟單項協會有贊助我們來看一下這是你們給我們的資料你們今年要在1、2年度捐贈給中華民國足球協會 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
16848.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
16865.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
這個非常多惡行惡狀有非常多新聞的協會例如說像女足球員道歉、作廢合約因為他們簽了不當的合約或者是在比賽的時候或是相關的欠薪有非常非常多爭議的足協你們在1、1、2年度透過捐贈的名義給了將近500萬的捐贈 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
16869.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
16885.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
宮古銀行可以這樣對待一個缺乏民主性、充滿性別歧視而且行政失能、怠惰的單項運動協會有這樣的捐贈金額跟捐贈機制嗎?部長我相信你一定不知道原來你們做了這些事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
16886.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
16912.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
我們在交流化委員會或者在很多種質詢有非常多的委員都關注單項協會各項的監督但是我們看到這邊你們給我們的資料你們有這麼多的捐助我時間有限一分鐘以內我有兩個訴求來下一頁第一個訴求針對財政部所轄球隊至今依然拒絕為約聘球員加保勞保的問題我今天應該已經是來問第4次還是第5次了請部長再次跟相關單位溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
16914.739 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
16920.706 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
我必須要說善良是一種選擇對選手的保障也是但如果財政部相關我剛剛說的這些團隊繼續選擇不願意為球員加保那我們真的覺得我們很難對選手有所交代再來財政部在相關公股 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
16929.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
16938.321 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
韓酷跟國公營事業針對運動團隊或是單項運動協會的贊助我們沒有說不能贊助但是請你們訂定相關的評估標準並且公開相關的討論記錄對於明確有抵觸政府的基本價值的單項協會在相關單位沒有具體改善之前我認為政府不應該再贊助這些協會成為加害選手的幫兇 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
16956.252 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
16969.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
以上兩個訴求非常明確請財政部一個院提出改善報告請問可以嗎好的我對於委員這樣的一個建議我們再進一步的一個了解以及可以有具體作為的部分跟委員提出書面報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
16971.309 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
16990.544 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
財政部長您的專業是來自財政我相信我剛剛講這些運動的問題你的幕僚可能沒有第一時間讓你知道我們辦公室不利於提供資料也請財政部積極跟我們辦公室約會議我們會把資料提供給部長因為部長你可能真的不知道到底發生了什麼事情好的我們會去委員辦公室請教部長剛剛非常正向的回應謝謝謝謝部長謝謝主席謝謝部長要正視這一個問題這個問題事實上就是說非常重要的好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
17003.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
17010.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
今日登記話言的委員均已行答完畢現在進行討論四項第一案含修正動議共兩案 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
17015.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
17033.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
寒修正動議共一案及臨時提案共一案的處理依據先讀的時間是12分鐘先讀完畢以後我們即進行協商請議事人員開始先讀那以法案無關的官員我們可以先行離開回辦公室辦公謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
17037.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
17055.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
來,議事人員先讀宣讀臨時提案一案報載財政部財政資訊中心今年多次因設備異常致稅務服務中斷經中心說明為設備老舊導致然今查財政部於今年已提出多項稅務系統及資料中心設置擴充計劃如財政部資料中心設置計劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
17060.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
17087.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
稅務便民服務及資源整合計劃智能稅務服務計劃財政部公用資料中心資源擴充計劃等已充實設備卻仍出現設備老舊導致斷網一事有鑒於稅務系統與民眾息息相關且為24小時無間斷服務財政資訊中心應留意設備維護及缺失改善方案於4個月內向財政委員會提出書面報告提案人吳秉瑞、吳麗華、賴慧媛 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
17089.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
17099.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
郭國文、李坤晨貨物稅條例第12條條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
17100.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
17126.313 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
行政院提案再做現行條文第12條第一項第一款第二幕刪除低底盤公共汽車、天然氣公共汽車、油電混合動力公共汽車、電動公共汽車、身心障礙者富康巴士免徵貨物稅之規定但書施行期間規定已列為同款第三幕修正延長購買身心障礙者富康巴士免徵貨物稅期限至118年12月31日之 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
17131.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
17139.905 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
購買符合載運輪椅使用者車輛規定安全檢測基準之車輛免徵貨物稅期限延長至118年12月31日致台灣民眾黨黨團提案第12條第一項第一款第二目 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
17148.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
17159.689 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
購買低底盤公共汽車、天然氣公共汽車、油電混合動力公共汽車、電動公共汽車、身心障礙者富康巴士、免徵貨物稅制規定優惠期限延至119年12月31日址並新徵 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
17163.835 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
17169.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
青能公共汽車免徵貨物稅修正第5項購買符合載運輪椅使用者車輛規定安全檢測基準之車輛免徵貨物稅期限延長至119年12月31日止 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
17179.232 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
17204.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
增訂第7項、第8項規定第7項自本條文生效日起5年內報費出場15年以上次大客車於報費前後6個月內購買新大客車且完成新領牌照登記者該新大客車免徵貨物稅第8項前項免徵年限屆期前半年行政院得示實際推整情形情況決定是否延長免徵年限 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
17207.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
17220.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
委員張智倫等17人提案修正第12條第一項第一款第二目單數字規定購買低底盤公共汽車、天然氣公共汽車、油電混合動力公共汽車、電動太小聲了 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
17222.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
17245.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
電動公共汽車身心障礙者康復巴士免徵貨物稅之規定優惠期限延至119年12月31日之委員賴士葆等26人提案第12條第一項第一款第二幕刪除低底盤公共汽車、天然氣公共汽車、油電混合動力公共汽車、電動公共汽車、身心障礙者復康巴士免徵貨物稅之規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
17247.276 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
17265.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
但書施行期間規定一律為同款第三目修正延長購買身心障礙者富康巴士免徵貨物稅期限至121年12月31日止修正第五項購買符合載運輪椅使用者車輛規定安全檢測基準之車輛免徵貨物稅期限延長至121年12月31日止 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
17268.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
17282.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
委員嚴寬恆等16人提案第12條第一項第一款第二目刪除低底盤公共汽車、天然氣公共汽車、油電混合動力公共汽車、電動公共汽車、身心障礙者、富康巴士、免徵貨物稅之規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
17283.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
17302.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
但書施行期間規定一列為同款第三目修正延長購買身心障礙者富康巴士免徵貨物稅期限至118年12月31日止修正第五項購買符合載運輪椅使用者車輛規定安全檢測基準之車輛免徵貨物稅期限延長至118年12月31日止 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
17305.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
17308.709 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
第12條之3購買完全以電能為動力之電動車輛並完成登記者免徵該等車輛應徵之貨物稅延長實施期間至118年12月31日 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].start |
17319.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
17339.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
委員蔡其昌等18人提案第12條第一項第一款第二目但書施行期間規定一律為同款第三目修正延長購買低底盤公共汽車、天然氣公共汽車、油電混合動力公共汽車、電動公共汽車、身心障礙者復康巴士、免徵貨物稅制規定優惠期限延至118年12月31日 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].start |
17341.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
17369.689 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
修正第5項 購買符合載運輪椅使用者車輛規定安全檢測基準之車輛免徵貨物稅期限延長至118年12月31日子委員吳麗華等19人提案第12條第一項第一款第二目刪除低底盤公共汽車、天然氣公共汽車、油電混合動力公共汽車、電動公共汽車、身心障礙者富康巴士免徵貨物稅制規定但書施行期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
17371.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
17395.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
規定一列為同款第三目修正延長購買身心障礙者富康巴士免徵貨物稅期限至118年12月31日止修正第五項購買符合載運輪椅使用者車輛規定安全檢測基準之車輛免徵貨物稅期限延長至118年12月31日止委員陳冠廷等23人提案修正第12條第一項第一款第二目但書之規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
17396.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
17412.026 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
購買滴滴盤、公共汽車、天然氣公共汽車、油電混合動力公共汽車、電動公共汽車、身心障礙者復康巴士、免徵貨物稅制規定優惠期限延至118年12月31日止修正第5項,購買符合載運輪椅使用者車輛規定安全檢測基準值車輛免徵貨物稅期限延長至118年12月31日止 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
17420.009 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
17442.407 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
委員陳金輝等16人提案第12條第一項第一款第二目刪除低底盤公共汽車、天然氣公共汽車、油電混合動力公共汽車、電動公共汽車、身心障礙者富康巴士免徵貨物稅制規定但書施行期間規定一律為同款第三目修正延長購買身心障礙者富康巴士免徵貨物稅期限至118年12月31日止 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
17445.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
17447.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
修正第5項購買符合載運輪椅使用者車輛規定安全檢測基準之車輛免徵貨物稅期限延長至118年12月31日 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
17456.095 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
17482.842 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
委員賴慧媛等18人提案修正第12條第一項第一款第二幕但書之規定購買滴滴盤公共汽車、天然氣公共汽車、油電混合動力公共汽車、電動公共汽車、身心障礙者復康巴士免徵貨物稅之規定優惠期限延至民國120年12月31日之修正第五項購買符合載運輪椅使用者車輛規定安全檢測基準之車輛免徵貨物稅期限延長至120年12月31日之 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
17486.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
17508.634 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
委員郭國文等16人提案第12條第一項第一款第2目刪除低底盤公共汽車、天然氣公共汽車、油電混合動力公共汽車、電動公共汽車、身心障礙者富康巴士免徵貨物稅之規定但書施行期間規定移列為同款第3目修正延長購買身心障礙者富康巴士免徵貨物稅期限至118年12月31日 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
17511.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
17529.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
修正第5項,購買符合載運輪椅使用者車輛規定安全檢測基準值車輛免徵貨物稅期限延長至118年12月31日之第12條之6將四期環保標準值大型柴油車輛納入換購減徵範圍修正文字第一款於中華民國110 |
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一百年12月31日以前出廠第二款於中華民國95年10月1日至同年12月31日出廠取得環境部依88年7月1日或93年1月1日施行之移動污染源、空氣污染物排放標準合法之汽車車型 |
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排氣審驗合格證明第三款於中華民國101年1月1日至同年12月31日出場且取得環境部1915年10月1日施行之移動污染源、空氣污染物排放標準合法之汽車車型排氣審驗合格證明修正動議貨物稅條例第12條 |
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第一項第一款第2目刪除低底盤公共汽車、天然氣公共汽車、油電混合動力公共汽車、電動公共汽車、身心障礙者富康巴士免徵貨物稅之規定但書施行期間規定已列為同款第三目修正延長購買身心障礙者富康巴士免徵貨物稅期限至118年12月31日止 |
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17596.562 |
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17618.221 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
修正第5項 購買符合載運輪椅使用者車輛規定安全檢測基準之車輛免徵貨物稅期限延長至118年12月31日子宣讀完畢好 謝謝那我們現在開始進行協商那請現場的委員提出意見 |
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17620.512 |
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17639.613 |
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郭國文委員主席謝謝我想本席有一個提案是針對第12條跟12條第6的部分因為環境部把這個有關於第4期的部分沒有納入之前納入前3期有關於大顆車、柴油車的這個部分 |
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但事實上第4期的整個碳氧化物的排化量其實是目前最新第6期的8.33倍那如果從109年到1110年財政部跟環境部的政策來看的話1到3期的柴油車大概是4.4萬輛當中只有9.1萬輛有申請 |
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那其實柴油大客車的部分比較沒問題幾乎都換行大貨車的部分也是達到一個極限除非有再多的一個優惠所以把第4期納入主要的政策受惠的對象是柴油大客車一方面可以降低PM2.5的排放達成2050淨排這個淨零碳排政策是有相當大的注意而目前國內的整個大客車的這個受到緊急 |
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陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠� |
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17710.638 |
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到3期的稅差損大概多少,第4期會造成多少的稅差損那如果不是非常多的話,我想請財政部支持本期的提案以上,謝謝好,接著請珊珊委員花言 |
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17729.664 |
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17744.096 |
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謝謝主席我想我們台灣民眾黨有提案的部分我們也在剛剛的提案說明有說明了那主要還是希望說行政的版本目前只有延長電動公車的免徵貨物稅優惠那對於其他的 |
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17745.156 |
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17746.156 |
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吳靜雯、吳靜雯、吳靜雯、吳靜雯、吳靜雯、吳靜雯 |
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17771.636 |
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17792.734 |
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大客車來更換電動車但是我們希望說它是不是能夠針對可能造成的稅務的影響還有目前現在這麼多的成就的大客車我們如何讓他們能夠趕快的做更新甚至能夠納入所謂的電動大客車這個部分的政策方向我們也希望能夠聽到財政部的意見 |
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好,接著請伍麗華委員發言好,謝謝朝委這邊我也有提案版本一樣是貨物稅條例的第12條那這個部分呢也是跟著院版的一個意見 |
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因為我們最主要是台灣2050的淨零排放路徑策略希望可以達到運具電動化跟無碳化的目標所以在這個地方針對這種不符合的低底盤公共汽車、天然氣公共汽車、油電混合的動力公共汽車像這一類型的我們就是希望貨物稅不在於延長 |
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17840.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
副副副副副副副副副副 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].start |
17859.886 |
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17886.856 |
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118年年底那也是希望在這一段時間也能夠去朝向這樣的方向就是淨零排放去做一個改善那再來就是我有修正第一項第三款跟第三項的文字最主要就是把公共安全跟公共衛生呢做一個分別的敘述以上好接著請汪洪威、委員花妍 |
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好謝謝主席那我想這個貨物稅條例的修正那麼我也有提出不過因為現在還沒有送到我們委員會所以我以修正動議來提出那基本上呢就是還是因應我們現在進入一個超高齡的社會所以呢就是還是希望能夠在這個無障礙的永善乘車環境還有這個照顧身心障礙的部分 |
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陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠� |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
17932.964 |
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17941.607 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
財政部版本我們基本上是用還是維持原來103年6月5號開始因為我們雖然是延長但是還是有從103年6月5號開始然後延長到118年的12月31日那希望能夠用併案處理以上謝謝好 謝謝宏偉的修正動議接著請賴士寶委員花言 |
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17973.656 |
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謝謝主席喔我的提案是針對就是富康巴士啦其他那個什麼低底盤的不要了啦可不可以就富康巴士啦對我知道其他的不要了啦 |
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17976.38 |
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18004.949 |
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林立得要啦那那個其他什麼地底盤公稱那個不要了啦就這個第二點就是那個時間啊能不能再延長不要一次一次一次這樣就延到118年啊一下子又要延要延這樣再加3年或者就乾脆把它就因為這個弱勢團體大家都要照顧的嘛可不可以乾脆就不要連線的就這樣forever一直一直給給不就好啊 |
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18021.16 |
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這才一勞永逸啦你針對這麼弱勢的可以考慮嗎部長不要就五年了啦就全部了啦稅損多少稅損多少還有另外一個就是要講一下這個稅損多少稅損 |
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18031.388 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
18038.66 |
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好 謝謝士博委員我們現在請部長一併回應所有在現場的委員的提議 |
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18061.389 |
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謝謝召委、謝謝委員那是不是先請就稅損的部分先做一個說明那我想我們這一次修復康巴士跟載運輪椅使用者那個車輛大概免徵然後5年那剛剛委員有提到是不是年限的問題那我想這個部分我們已經跟交通部跟衛福部都討論過大概5年是合宜的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
18061.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
18090.883 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
我想是不是能夠以支持願版的部分那另外剛剛我們郭委員有提到所謂的第四期的大客車的一個大型的柴油車太舊換新的部分建議做那個部分那這個部分交通部也有一些意見我想這個部分我們是不是可以請交通部來做補充這個四期大柴油車所以我想我們待會再一起做說明好不好 |
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18091.283 |
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18096.991 |
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那是委員不自新的嗎?那是委員不要太舊換成電動的嗎?市期太舊換新宿年 |
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18103.806 |
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18109.893 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
470大柴油車的太舊換新柴油車的太舊換新柴油車的太舊換新柴油車的太舊換新 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
18123.728 |
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18151.365 |
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對不起不好意思不好意思那個針對那個沒有他是針對那個遊覽車的部分那因為我們現在大顆車有稍微針對委員這個意見我們有調查了一下大概就是說如果把這個5年10年以上到未滿15年的大顆車都把它都是優惠的話那目前車輛數大概有4成左右 |
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18152.405 |
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18178.233 |
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有4層對對對未滿15年然後滿15年才3%而已才3%整體的車輛大概3%那如果說今天如果把這4層的車輛全部都都可以這個免稅到15年免稅他們大部分都會延到那個15年以後會造成這些車子本來在這段時間應該要汰換他就不汰換了對 |
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對所以真正的也就是代表這個數據代表就是說其實他們在10年到15年之間他們本來就是會去換不然如果要等到15年那應該是15年以上的車子會比較多可是目前這個我們調查的一下大概只有3%的數量而已我們擔心的是因為你3%其實是之前你有補助才會把15年降到3%是這樣子的 |
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因為你們之前有政策上的誘導鼓勵他們所以說你們會變成是10到15年會集中於4層你現在鼓勵的是我重點其實是在第4期第4期的部分的排放量只差你們之前只有鼓勵到1到3期應該把第4期納進去以期別來看的話就不一定是10到15年你們要用期別而不是用車齡我重點是期別 |
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目前電動大客車的部分在國產的部分大概目前大概只有客車的部分發展出來就只有客車對對對對這樣常常鼓勵他們啊對啊做重點就是要鼓勵他們啊對那客車的部分我們原則上目前我們大概就是電動客車是沒有問題的我們都有都是平台就免稅的 |
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18267.732 |
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18274.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
對 而且我們補助也補助大概一台大概1000萬左右我們補到850萬了交通部 委員跟您報告一下就是說現在我們對於車輛類的貨物稅免減免有幾種一種當然是就是委員所講的太久換息另外一種就是我們主推的配合主管部會就是說對電動車我們是給免的 |
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那像委員您所對那委員您所說的像這種大客車如果他去買電動的大客車他就直接免了他不用不用太做喚醒他直接就可以免掉不管他幾年只要他願意把現在非電動的改成電動現在根據我們社會條治3就可以免稅 |
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18318.451 |
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18336.665 |
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但是因為整個國家的政策因為是希望2050進行排放所以我們現在整個政策就是說希望透過這種價差讓鼓勵他們去買電動車同樣的道理嘛你就是要跟他鼓勵他那你為什麼只有限縮在三期第四期的污染性也蠻高的你就一併處理就好了 |
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18337.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
18339.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
副副副副副副副副副副副副副 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
18367.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
18373.524 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
因為他希望是整個政治社會全部都改成電動車啦全部都改成電動車 |
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18388.181 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
18388.521 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
請環境部的話也要拿麥克風 |
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18410.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
18427.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
各位委員好那個請問委員是要環境部這邊報告一下就是對於四騎車這個我簡單提供一個補充給大家參考就是說我們在做實際路燃路燃燃這個柴油車下來做檢查 |
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18453.145 |
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那大概3000...我們大概3年攔了3000多台吧那比較一下1到3期他的這個不合格率超過兩成以上但是第4期他其實只有5%而已所以他真正發生不合格標準的機會其實是小很多表示是說他這個設備這個還是具有一定的穩定性而且效果很不錯 |
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18454.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
18471.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
那所以我們自己的觀點是這樣假如說是以這個一到三期這種觀點要套到四期上來講的話四期它的效益其實是比較有限大概是這樣一個補充以上好 謝謝交通部要再補充嗎拿麥克風 |
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18474.398 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
18491.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
消防部再來補充一下就是說目前來講整個政策在2030就要全部都電動大顆都要換成電動大顆車公車市區公車那原則上是這個目前的電動大顆車大部分也都是滴滴盤的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
18516.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
大部分做出來都是DT盤所以目前地方政府和業者他們都有一個汰換的計畫年度要換多少他們都有因為車輛有年限所以他會有排定大概要汰換多少所以說這個目前整個來汰這個電動工目前的燃油市區公車換成電動公車是目前大家所 |
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18532.937 |
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陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠� |
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18535.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
18536.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
副副副副副副副副副副副副副副 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
18560.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
18566.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
對啊 因為你鼓勵這個是鼓勵他們全部把它改換成機能更好的車子不是嗎有沒有 |
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18570.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
18592.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
我幫你們說一下啦我想這就是說你們現在是希望能夠達到賴總統的一個政見嘛因為他是2030年應該是那個客車全面電動化到2040年是所有的運具全面電動化如果我沒有記錯這是這個賴總統他的一個政見那我想可能包含 |
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18592.811 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
18601.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
財政部或交通部可能擔心的是那如果現在如果不管油車或油電車還有這樣的一個緘免貨物稅並行的話那會延宕這個整個的全面2030跟2040年的這個電動車的一個期程這樣解釋對嗎? |
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18617.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
18643.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
好那請問在現場那個我們現場的委員來 姍姍今天早上才問了部長其實現在大家不換電動車的原因其實大部分是充電很麻煩動電樁不夠甚至要打架然後將來的大客車假設照你們的狀況是所有的公車都是電動車那外面的大客車也是電動車甚至剛剛 |
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18645.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
18666.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
郭文維講那裡還有貨車也是電動車那台灣真的做得到可以提供這麼多的公共運輸的電動車的充電嗎我覺得目前我看起來是有點懷疑啦第二個他們像這種公車他自己有自己的公車停車場但你說像遊覽車他跑全省你就用電動車其實是跑一跑一沒點到跑去哪裡我覺得 |
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18667.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
18676.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員 |
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18691.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
18693.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
副副副副副副副副副副副副副 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
18720.714 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
18743.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
不管是換成電動車因為台灣國產的量能是不是這麼快我也不知道但是不是有一定的逐步往前走但事實上這些老的車願意換我覺得郭國文委員說的會比較務實就是說我們是做得到的那你讓他全部都跑到電動車那個市場我覺得可能在短時間內他可能還是不換或者換不了 |
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18743.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
18756.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠� |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
18766.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
18789.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
謝謝剛剛委員們都有討論我想2030晚那個電動車這個方向是要去努力所以我們才會做這樣的一個調整那至於剛剛黃委員有提到氫能這個部分然後我想這個交通部可能更是專業有看他們的報告就是說氫燃料的電池大課則也屬於電動車所以氫能的部分屬於電動的話那就回到12條之三裡面就屬於那個部分對 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
18790.536 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
18812.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
那至於剛剛委員們提到稅差的部分算出來了嗎?對,剛剛委員有提到的就是因為這是主管部會他們做出來以後經過我們扶貧那我們以復刊巴士為例根據衛福部所做出來的最初的稅收損失是大概4693萬元 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
18817.436 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
18842.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
4、6、9、3然後呢因為我們還稅收還是要彌補所以它經過稅收一些帶動的一些效果的彌補大概還是會有淨稅損三千多萬但是因為他們經過等額支出就是說他如果要打壓在末地他要補助更多他大概要花五千多萬所以後來就是兩相平衡就是做還是延續免稅的方式這是富康巴士的部分那 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
18843.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
18848.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
18861.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
18886.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
差不多兩坪那如果他同樣要去做這件事情透過支出的話他們估計過補助大概也是3.14億元左右所以整個是經過這樣的一個評估之後也經過我們負評那我們同意之後才提了這個稅師就是這個租稅優惠方案那這是依據《大作者權利保護法》跟《財政紀律法》的規定所做的以上報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
18888.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
18902.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
好,那請問現場的各位委員還沒有其他的意見,不然我們就照行政院版的提案通過。好,好,謝謝。那我們接著就是12條之3,這個是顏寬恆委員等16人的提案,是38頁。 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
18910.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
18935.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
請各位同仁換到38頁那是不是顏寬衍委員等16人的一個提案那國民黨委員是不是要補充那如果不補充的話我們就不予修正我們就維持現行條文那那個交通部要不要做一個什麼補充有沒有請問那個我們現場的委員有沒有什麼意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
18937.938 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
18946.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
三十八頁好來宏威他先演而已好那我們就 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
18957.535 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
18983.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
維持現行條文不予修正接著我們到第40頁12條之6郭國文委員等16人的提案請問在現場的委員有沒有意見郭委員沒有意見那我們就照行政院版不好意思我們維持現行條文不予修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
18988.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
18990.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
好 我們還有一個臨時的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
18993.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
19019.762 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
這個已經先讀過了那是不是請部長做個說明就是吳委員等委員的提案就是對於我們財資中心的設備有些異常他認為應該要做一些注意然後因為老舊嘛然後4個月內向財委會提出書面報告也就是說24小時要無間任服這個我們遵照辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
19020.743 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
19029.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
我們遵照辦理是好 謝謝那我們就照案通過齁那接著我們協商完成齁請議事人員先讀協商的一個結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
19049.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
19052.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
委員的本本跟額外造成的稅損嗎?可是只有稅損不會有替代產源嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
19074.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
19092.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
好學商完成我們請議事人員先讀學商的結論先讀學商結論《貨物稅條例》第12條照行政院提案通過第12條之3維持現行條文不予修正第12條之6維持現行條文不予修正先讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
19093.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
19108.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
好請問各位委員對協商的結論有沒有意義那沒有意義的話照協商結論通過那本日會議做成以下的結議說明跟詢答完畢那第二委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資訊請相關部會在一週內以書面答覆委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
19115.123 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
19130.227 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
那個委員另有那個要求就是期限者從期首定委員蔡其昌首提書面質詢經列入紀錄刊登公報並請相關部會以書面答覆第4貨物稅條例第12條 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
19133.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
19154.784 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
條文修正草案等11案已經審查完畢就是併案明據審查報告提報宴會討論宴會討論前不需要交由黨團協商宴會討論時有本席補充說明請問各位委員對以上的決議有沒有異議 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
19158.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
19172.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案有關財政部及首屬單位稅入預算部分及財政部國庫署財政資訊中心稅出的預算部分及中華民國114 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
19174.552 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
19192.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
四年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算會營業部分有關財政部主管、債務基金、中央政府債務基金經命則其繼續審查本次會議委員若有預算的提案請於11月 |
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19194.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
19212.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
18號星期一中午12點以前進送財政委員會議事人員收件本日會議議程已進行完畢倘若有不在場的委員補題書面的一個執行一併列入記錄刊登公報並請議事人員協助處理休息 |
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19224.94 |
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陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠廷等19人、委員陳冠� |
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19256.052 |
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19264.395 |
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陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠廷等26人、委員陳冠� |
| IVOD_ID |
16253 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16253 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-8 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-13T08:29:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-13T13:50:00+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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