| IVOD_ID |
162491 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162491 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
公聽會-2025060694 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
舉行「病人自主權利法修法」公聽會 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
公聽會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會公聽會（事由：舉行「病人自主權利法修法」公聽會） |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-12T11:34:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-12T11:44:29+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:34:34 - 11:44:29 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會公聽會（事由：舉行「病人自主權利法修法」公聽會） |
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今天談這個尊嚴善重來講心情是沉重的 |
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我是傅達仁傅先生的好朋友也是他中興大學的學弟我們都很捨不得他事實上今天談尊嚴善忠我想起了以前 |
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我們這些協力妹好朋友跟市長跟副大臣協長最後那些聚會他是一樣是開朗的可是他真的太痛了你談到他的時候你是不捨的他說一天有時候一天打那個總量那個麻痺要打160毫升才能減少那個痛他有時候連站著有時候都睡著了常常跌倒 |
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所以那時候你捨不得 他說他去瑞士要安樂死的時候你很捨不得可是你看他那麼多病痛 那種折磨你心裡又是 又非常非常的這個難過我不去跟他講 事實上他後來有一些比較好的事情他最後那個晚年 雖然他選擇安樂死可是他也沒有放棄喔 |
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她之前她也把一些時間留下來看著她的小孩結婚了她也演步到廣州去做了一些治療在那個過程裡面她求生的意志是非常非常堅定的可是真的太痛了真的太痛了所以後來她很喜歡寫詩啦她說最後那個遺言留下一個詩篇以前在說的她說課死蘇黎世她說我來自於台灣 |
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我是為了公平 為了法治 為了自由跟人權我克食蘇伊士也無憾今天我們提起復達人不捨的同時我們很多朋友都想起來所以今天是很多朋友包括老師說你今天一定要來講話 |
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雖然很沉重可是台灣在台灣病人這個自主權利的時候當然現在要馬上去推安樂死有尊嚴的善終在台灣還非常非常困難甚至是某些人的這個忌諱可是我們一定要往前跨一步要去面對 |
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不只是傅達仁先生瓊瑤那個遺書我相信很多人還有他選擇離開很多人一定也很感動我想講的是為什麼把傅先生、傅達仁跟瓊瑤放在一起講瓊瑤遺書說什麼他不想慢慢枯萎凋零我想為這最後的大事自己來做主事實上就是我們今天討論的 |
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病人他應該有自主權決定他最後的善終的一個方式他說我是火花我已經燃燒過了我不願意當一個插管維生臥病的老人可是我要提醒瓊瑤在遺書裡面她特別強調一點她很溫柔的跟大家喊話她說年輕的你們千萬不要輕易去放棄生命 |
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他跟會談人一樣 他們求生意志都是非常堅強的可是真的太痛了瓊瑤在離開之前她還提醒大家說年輕的你們千萬不要輕易放棄生命一時的挫折跟打擊可能是美好生命中的磨練希望你們經得起磨練跟我一樣可以活到86歲87歲等到體力真的不支的時候你再選擇如何面對死亡 |
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我的老師跟很多朋友說有沒有可能透過今天的公聽會我剛才傾聽很多專家寫者的聲音你們在第一線意見都非常寶貴那今天我們在討論病毒法這個修正的時候有沒有可能去審視一下台灣現在有多少的民眾長輩或者病患 |
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他們那時候也承受了布達仁先生瓊瑤女士的苦痛他們求生意是很強可是他們真的撐不下去了能不能給他一個有尊嚴他有自主性的一個選擇的環境 |
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我去做了功課 我給大家看了一下我們的這個簽訂 簽署這個預定醫療決定的人數最近幾年是一直在增加的108年那時候 一年大概只有1萬人簽署那到了112跟113的時候 它每年大概都增加 都在增加2萬五 你看那個最後那個紅線那個期限我們現在已經有9萬108年到113年 已經有9萬3千人簽署了 |
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所以顯示這個尊嚴三中法的這個需求應該是更迫切更需要的可是老講沒有錯我們目前的安寧醫療確實有很多的這個不足有很多很多的這個問題好我今天帶了一份那個民調過來我想跟他討論一下民調我們看一下這個 |
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前年2023年泰豹在12月底特別做了一份他問了我們台灣的這個民眾你知不知責安樂死 渴望善終嗎這是台灣那時候的民意高達七成五的民眾挺安樂死原因是什麼但我要講這個點我們求生意志都很堅強就是像瓊華剛剛講的特別是年輕的沒有病痛的 |
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可是你看安樂死的支持理由是什麼希望有尊嚴的死亡50%要減輕痛苦的20.3%避免去浪費醫療資源的這邊家庭因素很多人選擇離開是因為他捨不得家人可是他心裡又覺得給家裡那麼大的一個負擔所以事實上是有12 |
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1.3的人他後來決定 他如果說他必須做這個決定 實際上是因為家庭的因素還有人是避免這個醫療的這個浪費所以你從民調這邊還有年齡層的整個整個分析 當然年紀比較長 你會發現年紀越長的這比例是 比例是高的好 那你去看看全世界事實上 你包括 |
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今天寫的專家很多我不要多講事實上我去看了這個研究有安樂死的國家當然 |
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已經是有好幾個了像河南是在2002年他就立法安樂死這樣他是合法化的比利時他一樣在2002年他通過了這個合法制度保障如果說你是真的是身心極度的這個痛苦病患你有這樣的一個選擇權那加拿大是從這個2016年開始實施的這個醫助死亡 |
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當然他納入了一個非常嚴格的一個條件勝場所以雖然還有很多國家都有這樣的一個立法好今天心情很沉痛我大概沒辦法多講我只是很期待因為我知道這個題目是每個人都會碰到的我們人生的課題裡面最後一定是面對死亡的那在那個我回憶起以前傅達仁學長那個相處那個過程最後那幾年一個那麼開朗的人 |
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你回想那個副大臣 你想到他笑聲就是一個很幽默 連他病痛的時候他都會講笑話給你聽可是他真的撐不住了所以他一言裡面他認為應該要有一個讓每個人不要承受那麼大的一個苦痛還有一個自主性 有一個尊嚴善忠的一個方式 |
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所以蠻期待的今天剛剛很謝謝建國派了這麼好的一個公典會今天也請了很多專家、學者的意見今天那個敬禮還有很多那個會不會有很多人來看能不能多注意一下現在台灣的每個角落裡面有多少的民眾他已經承受不了他的痛苦了 |
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那怎麼樣讓他減少病痛讓他是非常有尊嚴的很期待我知道這個很困難面對死亡真的很困難要看這個真的很多地方還是機會可是我們真的要去面對這個問題希望有機會可以往前快一步謝謝 |