| IVOD_ID |
162484 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162484 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-12 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-12T10:36:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-12T10:42:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:36:19 - 10:42:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第5次公聽會（事由：召開「虛擬資產服務法」公聽會） |
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謝謝主席幾個先進那麼今天能夠開這樣的公聽會實在是個創舉因為大家都知道這個虛擬貨幣在台灣這個金融圈這裡一直大家不被討論 |
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因為很重要的一個很重要很重要的一個原因就是因為央行到現在為止不承認它是一個貨幣不承認它是法幣在這樣的一個前提之下我們金管會施展就很不容易好不容易我認真的讀了金管會所提的這份報告硬擠硬擠擠了一些東西出來可是你注意看喔你注意看它裡面所提到的你看第一個階段就是什麼 |
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這個防洗 防制洗錢和打擊滋口第二階段 建立統一國會的自律第三階段 以洗錢防治法 增訂NASP等機制以及非法業者刻意行使責任第四階段 才推動虛擬資產的管理專法立法 |
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所以這樣一個很重要的重點重中之重就是說到底虛擬貨幣在中華民國在我們這個地方它到底是不是資產它是不是貨幣 |
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這個問題要先去把他處理的這個問題因為央行的立場非常的堅定他認為他不是貨幣所以就使得金管會在做很多事情就愛說愛講金管會現在出手也不是不出手也不是我們原來想的是說是不是有一套的管理辦法像比如 |
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說我們看到的美國的最大的虛擬貨幣的交易所就是Coinbase |
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那麼在2021年的時候你就看到它已經上市了就是台灣有沒有我們金管會允不允許或者有沒有規劃未來台灣某一個虛擬貨幣的交易所可以在我們這裡 台灣的交易所裡面可以升級上市可以嗎 |
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這份報告裡面沒有看到這個東西這份報告裡面我們就看到它完全是要防止洗錢只有這個目的只有這個重點防止洗錢可是我們要看的是現在全世界虛擬貨幣的交易額已經超過十兆了這麼大的一個量 |
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大家看到的時候台灣有好幾個交易所啊你們這裡提到啊你就知道明明有很多的這種同業公會存在啊你希望能夠來自律啊但是你怎麼沒有去想到說 |
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我有一天這個交易所如果一切符合你們的規定也沒有洗錢的問題也沒有這個知統的問題那郭柯群選了一個那這個他以後能不能能不能夠qualify不qualify申請上市或者上櫃或者新櫃或者我問一個很簡短的一個很簡單的問題那就是現在的這些虛擬貨幣的交易所能不能夠 |
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他認真做大 以後生氣 上櫃 會死你沒你這辦法 不知道啊 不知道啊 |
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可以嗎 可以 好 那是講清楚 跟外面講清楚喔可以來申請上櫃 是吧 上市也可以 是吧那財務要全部透明喔 財務要全部公開喔我想這是第一點我要強調的那第二點我要強調的還是在於 還是危害到這個核心裡面如果認定它是一個資產 目前來講的話 |
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交易商 交易是不屬於你們管啦是屬於經濟部商業署在管的啊跟他們登記嘛 是不是現在不是你們管的喔現在不是你們管的喔 不是喔什麼不是 你要講洗錢方式嘛我是講說 他本身來講是不是跟你登記 不是嘛是不是跟你登記 |
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所以我強調的是這個能不能把我們的虛擬貨幣 |
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這個當作一個虛擬資產假如它當作一個資產那影響就非常大了影響就非常大了包括我們的公職人員財產申報這個比特幣要不要申報虛擬貨幣要不要申報要不要申報不知道喔你們這個法規定這個法一過以後是不是就要申報 |
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然後以後有關的東西一切當然你們都是洗錢洗錢所以你們要強調是洗錢那我現在強調是說如果讓它正常化 |
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如果讓它正常化不要說只有洗錢因為洗錢還是比較偏離屬於房幣這一部分我們說這是一個市場而且這個市場一直在不斷地在漲包括現在因為在川普任內他一直在推這個東西這未來怎麼發展不知道 |
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所以我覺得金管會可以認真去思考如何因應這個虛擬貨幣的市場交易越來越大的情況之下怎麼樣納管你們現在目前來講都只有納管一個洗錢只有一個洗錢就是洗錢之口就集中在這兩部分其他部分沒有那我說其他部分能不能及早規劃了好不好就是個人的見解請各位指教 謝謝 |
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謝謝施保昭委也是賴教授提出這麼珍貴的一個建議謝謝那接著我們請葛如今委員發言 |