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| 會議時間 |
2024-11-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
「國土計畫法修正草案」第一次初步審查會議（事由：「國土計畫法修正草案」第一次初步審查會議） |
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第二次初步審查 |
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好 我們請主任秘書報告出席人數報告委員會 出席委員八人已足法定人數好 現在開始開會請議事人員宣讀今日議程國土計畫法修正草案第一次初步審查會議 宣讀完畢好 針對國土計畫法修正草案 |
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1951.048 |
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1972.492 |
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繼由本院委員丁學忠委員等人提出的19個版本提案有鑒於國土計畫將於明年5月正式啟動它的相關影響效應以及紛擾漸次顯現所以本席除了在113年10月24日舉辦公聽會之外 |
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1976.633 |
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1977.374 |
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第二次初步審查會議． |
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2007.153 |
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2008.574 |
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第二次初步審查會議 |
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2037.367 |
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第二次初步審查會議：完整會議 |
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2060.125 |
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2086.628 |
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現在本席來介紹在場的委員以及列席的官員我們在場的委員有王美惠委員黃婕委員還有張志倫委員我們列席的官員有我們的內政部長 劉世芳部長 |
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2089.475 |
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2112.402 |
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還有原住民委員會的政務副主任委員杜章梅莊副主任委員農業部的部長陳俊濟部長還有經濟部產業園區管理局的副局長曾淑芬曾副局長財政部國有財產署專門委員張潔祐專委 |
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2118.076 |
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2122.417 |
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法務部參事 廖江縣 廖參事國土署署長 吳興修署長國土管理署的國土計畫組組長 蘇崇哲組長 |
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2145.336 |
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2169.857 |
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原民會的土地管理處處長 謝雅潔處長農業部資源永續利用司司長 莊老達莊司長農糧署副署長 黃昭新副組長農村發展及水土保持署的組長 蔡秀婉組長在後面 謝謝 |
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2171.479 |
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2174.241 |
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經濟部綜合規劃司專門委員 劉玉蘭經濟部產業發展署工商輔導中心副主任 張維聖經濟部能源局檢任 |
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2191.122 |
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2215.497 |
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計政嚴維旭檢任計政經濟部水利署檢任政工程師鄭清涵政工程師以及經濟部地質調查及礦業管理中心檢任計政李俊彰好 檢任計政財政部國庫署專門委員何惠麗何專委好 謝謝 |
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2221.495 |
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2243.272 |
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以上是我們相關列席的行政官員接著我們今天出席的我們今天邀請各直轄市及各縣市政府的 |
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2245.074 |
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2249.076 |
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臺北市政府督發局綜合企劃科科長江中信科長新北市政府城鄉發展局主任秘書謝登武 |
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2269.448 |
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2296.431 |
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桃園市政府督發局國土計畫科科長湯靜雯湯科長臺中市政府督發局局長李政委李局長臺南市政府督發局副總工程師楊嘉明副總工程師高雄市政府督發局副總工程師薛淵仁副總工程師 |
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2298.403 |
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2314.7 |
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新竹縣政府地政處地用科科長周怡銘周科長苗栗縣政府工商發展處產業科科長蘇英麗蘇科長南投縣政府地政處副處長陳錫慶副處長 |
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2321.648 |
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2330.453 |
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南投縣政府建設處副處長陳錫慶陳副處長地政處張惠瓊副處長張化縣政府建設處副處長陳明南副處長雲林縣政府副縣長謝淑雅 謝副縣長 |
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2346.601 |
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2351.327 |
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嘉義縣政府經濟發展處國土計畫科科長鄭新儀科長平東縣政府地政處副處長林浩存副處長宜蘭縣政府建設處處長潘亮宇副處長 |
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2366.614 |
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2374.718 |
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花蓮縣政府地政處地用科科長 劉鴻邦科長臺東縣政府建設處都市計畫科科長 陳鼎榮科長金門縣政府參議 張瑞欣張參議連江縣政府秘書長 張榮德張秘書長 |
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2392.027 |
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2400.713 |
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基隆市政府國土計畫科科長林嘉斌新竹市政府參議陳永元嘉義市政府都市發展處處長許淮群 |
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2425.567 |
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2439.551 |
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本日會議的程序宣告如下我們會先請部會簡短報告之後再請各直轄市及縣市政府的代表依出席簽到的順序為原則我們每位發言的時間6分鐘 |
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2446.367 |
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2475.136 |
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還有需要再發言的我們可以有第二輪還可以有第二輪那本院委員要發言的請至主席台登記我們會在兩位各直轄市及縣市代表發言後安排一位委員發言每位委員發言時間是五分鐘最後再由與會的機關代表回應說明但是本席因為看今天各縣市各直轄市的 |
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2475.796 |
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2475.836 |
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主席 |
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2506.036 |
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2510.159 |
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發言台正前方的燈號是倒數計時發言時間結束前一分鐘會按鈴一聲發言時間結束則按鈴兩聲現在我們請部會報告首先請內政部長劉部長釋放報告 |
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2537.218 |
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2539.2 |
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主席,我有一個問題沒有沒有,你誤會了,因為...我的意思是,剛才聽你這樣,我很高興的,覺得說你長輩子的職位,還那麼名利 |
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2567.858 |
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2585.49 |
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對對,不要誤會我知道你的意思啦我剛才的意思就是說,我們自己的立場搞亂了啦 |
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2592.588 |
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2601.639 |
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因為我剛才聽主席說的時候 我覺得很命令的 讓地方做不夠的 還是要怎麼補充的 但是聽到外面的人說是地方所有管制 都要來接受這個官員 這樣就不對了 |
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2610.089 |
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2633.819 |
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你誤會了啦沒問題李博義委員也先發言完我再統一回應我會議詢問一下首先我先肯定主席今天有這麼多的縣市的督發局甚至有副縣長來到這裡比起昨天的財委會陳其邁市長本人來到財委會連講話的機會都沒有我覺得先肯定主席 |
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2636.543 |
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2645.913 |
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主席在接下來的安排裏面 包含讓縣市出席的人這這麼難得的機會 有機會可以表示一下意見之後 |
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2647.125 |
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2669.066 |
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那感覺你要內政部回應這很奇怪啦我來說明好不好我來建議主席一下我們是不是可以做一個交流因為我知道國土署跟縣市政府也都有很多的交流那我們是不是透過今天的交流有更進一步的這種對話而不是去質詢內政部我覺得這個主席還是要做一下才是 |
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2695.484 |
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好 對 謝謝王美惠委員：李柏毅委員的憂心但你們誤會了因為我們在之前的公聽會也好包含今天的我們讓中央跟地方可以有互相對話而且讓我們中央瞭解地方的疑慮跟困境的時候我們有發現同樣一個問題每一個人都上來講 |
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2698.926 |
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2717.278 |
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假設同樣的問題有七八個縣市 他們都有類似的問題因為沒有得到解答 所以他們可能 譬如說三個講完以後 第四個第五個他還是會講一樣的問題我們只是想讓整個的會議時間更有效率 所以不是質詢 |
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2721.061 |
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第二次初步審查會議 |
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2737.961 |
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2739.141 |
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第二次初步審查會議 |
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2756.986 |
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2761.368 |
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中央很快的釋疑,後面有類似的問題其實就可以略過,你可以談其他的問題我不知道這樣的說明委員們是不是還是有疑慮 |
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2778.996 |
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2780.017 |
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第一次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整 |
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2794.854 |
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2795.334 |
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會議員：完整會議 |
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2817.501 |
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2820.882 |
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第一次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整會議 |
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2848.872 |
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2854.536 |
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首先對於各位委員對內政部國土計畫業務推動的關注跟指導表示有種感謝今天內政委員會召開國土計畫法修正草案第一次初步審查會議內政部應邀列席報告深感榮幸 |
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2870.988 |
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2894.506 |
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緊究國土計畫法法定工作的辦理情形以及地方政府關切議題的處理情形依序說明如下第一因為在98年莫拉克颱風也就是我們所說的八八風災以及歷年颱風的侵襲造成國土崩塌土石流等複合性的災難喚醒國人對於國土保育的重視為了因應氣候變遷確保國土安全促進資源與產業的合理配置 |
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2899.009 |
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2922.8 |
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本法也就是國土計畫法經過大院三讀通過以及總統公佈以後從105年5月1日開始施行其後按照行政院核定的全國國土計畫指示為了給予地方政府合理作業期程嚴提國土計畫法部分條文修正草案並且也是經過大院三讀通過以後在109年4月21日由總統公佈施行 |
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2926.201 |
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就《國土計畫法》法定的工作辦理情形的部分截至今日為止已經有14個地方政府提交國土功能分區圖到內政部本部已經完成包括連江縣在內的四個縣市的審議作業其餘縣市也持續由本部國土署陸續檢核並且召開本部的國審會專案小組會議審查那這個進度的部分也爐列在給各位委員的這個 |
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本法相關執法本部已發布15項,其中外界最關切的國土計畫土地使用管制規則的草案也經過本部法規會完成審議,其餘執法也將陸續在113年底 完成 |
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內政部已經協助盤點需要配合修正的目的事業法律由各部會依業務需求評估優先修正順序提報行政院 |
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此外,內政部也透過各項行政作為﹐並且利用國土永續發展基金編列經費﹐積極協助地方政府﹐也積極參與地方政府相關會議﹐並且拜會地方首長溝通﹐在8月、9月分別舉辦政策說明會﹐說明政策方向﹐並且澄清各界的疑慮 |
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透過國土計畫的實施﹐將可解決過去數十年﹐非都市土地全國一致的管制標準﹐沒有主動檢討機制的發展課題﹐包括賦予地方政府規劃權及主導權﹐透過縣市國土計畫及鄉村地區整體規劃﹐來務實回應地方的需求﹐同時得訂定計畫﹐來處理長年外界所關心向原住民住宅﹐ |
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第二次初步審查會議 |
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第二次初步審查會議：完整會議 |
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二、地方政府如有產業或者聚落發展的需求應該依照本法規定在國土計畫上路後即時啟動通盤檢討或者是辦理鄉村地區整體規劃完成法定程序以後具以調整國土功能分區劃設情形以及另訂適宜的土地管制規定 |
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第二次初步審查會議：完整會議 |
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第二次初步審查會議：完整會議 |
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主席 |
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最後,針對外界關切違規查處及檢舉獎勵部分國土計畫對於一般小面積違規的法則與現行規定相同大型開發案件造成國土的重大破壞才會是違規情節適用較高法則至於檢舉獎勵機制配合近年相關精進作為也配合各位委員的建議已經取消小面積違規檢舉案件的獎勵機制 |
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只有重大違規檢舉案件才會發給獎勵金截於目前大院已經有22個提案修正版本對於第45條國土功能分區圖公告期限因為各委員提案修正版本及延長的期限方式各有不同 |
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本部原則仍然以現行條文所定其成﹐積極推動﹐並且尊重大院審查決議至於委員提案所涉及其他條文﹐包括第七條﹐二十三條﹐三十五條﹐四十條條文部分﹐也將與大院進行條文審查時配合說明 |
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3260.004 |
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綜合上面的報告內政部將根據辦理及協助地方政府完成法定的工作事項並且持續跟地方政府有關部會及各界以及委員互相溝通協調以利國土計畫制度如期上路進一步可以促進國家永續發展以上說明請各位委員多多指教謝謝 |
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好,謝謝劉部長接下來請原民會的政務副主委杜璋梅莊副主委 |
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主席各位委員以及參與本次審查會議的中央機關代表跟地方政府的代表大家好大家平安今天本會應邀到委員會列席就國土計畫法草案第一次初步審查會議進行報告承蒙各委員對此議題的關心敬請各位委員先進會議指導我們知道區計畫法公布的時候有26萬多公頃的原住民保護地有將近七成都變為聯業用地 |
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導致部落族人面臨土地受限的問題也造成今天部落的建地不足、耕地不足跟公共設施不足等問題也間接的造成 |
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文化傳承經濟產業發展生技受影響等困境國土計畫法議定在明年的5月1號全面上路本會在內政部研擬的國土計畫法時的階段有積極的爭取應納入尊重及保障原住民族土地相關條文因此才有後來國土計畫法第23條明定由內政部會同本會共同訂定原住民族土地使用規則並因依 |
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原住民族基本法第21條規定法令涉及限制原住民族利用原住民族土地及自然資源時應與部落諮商說明聽取族人的意見又因國土計畫法土地使用管制規則的指導原則國土規劃應尊重原住民族傳統慣習及土地利用方式滿足原住民族部落生活社會經濟的需求建立和諧 |
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的土地使用管制以原住民族傳統慣習為目標等面向本會自109年9月開始有已經送了五次的版本原住民族土地使用規則的草案送到內政部那最後一次是在今年的8月14號那內政部也在今年的10月7號、22號召開了原住民族土地使用規則機關的演商會議後續本會將持續配合 |
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3418.85 |
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相關單位的這個機關研商會議的進行那接下來針對這次委員提的各項的提案,裡面有涉及到本會全者的部分,做一個簡要的說明第一個部分是有關鄭天才委員：所提出的《國土計畫法修正草案》第七條第四項及第23條,涉及部落及部落周邊一定範圍 |
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3447.537 |
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這個部分本會有研擬原住民族土地使用規則適用土地的範圍為原住民族土地法令適用範圍皆以涵蓋部落及部落周邊一定範圍的土地第二部分是原住民基本法第21條第一項規定政府或私人與原住民族土地或部落及其周邊一定範圍內置公有土地從事土地開發、資源利用、生態保育以學術研究應諮詢並取得原住民族或部落同意或參與 |
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原住民得分享相關利益,該條之規範主體與名列部落及其周邊一定範圍中上本會建議本草案第七條第四項的文字,前兩項審議事項涉及原住民族土地部落及部落周邊一定範圍者應有原住民族代表一人建議能夠修正成前兩項審議事項涉及原住民族土地應有原住民族代表一人 |
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第二十三條第三項的文字前項規則中涉及原住民族土地海域部落及部落周邊一定範圍之管制者應維持現行的條文規定第二個部分是由政委員施拉卡趙所提出草案第三十五條即新增國土富裕出境地區之規劃涉及原住民族土地及部落者應經中央原住民族主管機關同意時的劃定 |
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3522.893 |
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本會的意見是查國土計畫法第36條第一項業以明定國土復育促進地區經劃定者應以保育和禁止開發行為設施及設置為原則並由劃定機關擬定復育計畫報請中央目的事業主管機關核定後實施如涉及原住民族土地劃定機關應邀請原住民族部落參與計畫之擬定執行與管理 |
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所以建議本草案第35條新增第4項應參照原住民基本法第21條第二項的文字內容及適用對象文字修正委第一項國土復議促進地區之劃定涉及原住民族土地應經部落同意時的劃定最後一個部分是有各委員有提到草案第45條涉及公告國土功能分區土質日期要展現這個部分本會尊重大院的審查結果並配合辦理 |
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最後國土計畫 |
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3587.346 |
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將有助於輔導原住民族土地使用取得合法對原住民是一個轉變的契機本會業已完成研擬原住民族土地使用規則草案將與內政部如期共同會嫌公告完成法制作業本會將持續依循國土計畫法第23條規定及全國國土計畫原住民族土地使用指導原則以尊重及保存原住民族傳統文化 |
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3590.044 |
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好,謝謝園民會的報告接著我們請農業部陳部長竣記報告 |
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3614.286 |
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3630.877 |
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主席、各位委員、大家好那今天封邀到大院內政委員會就國土計畫法修正草案第一次初步審查會議進行報告那以下緊究農業部門的一個部分做一個說明請各位委員不定指教 |
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3652.264 |
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國土計畫就成如剛才內政部所說的國土計畫在一百零五年的一月六號制定公佈五月一號施行以後那歷經了一次一百零九年四月二十一號有進行一次修正公告那目前是進到國土功能分區的第三的階段那有關國土計畫與農業部門有關的是農業發展區相關的這些 |
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委員會主席 |
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3703.233 |
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農業部後續部門的空間規劃,農村發展政策以及協調國土計畫下﹐有關於農地農取使用的項目規定﹐並推動各類的農業空間部件﹐並同時配合農田水利相關的建設管理﹐穩固農業生產區域的基盤整備﹐來促進農地資源永續利用與發展 |
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農地劃入農業發展區,最主要是保障農民既有的權利,不會增加額外管制。農業發展區將充分提供經營土地的農民所需,不會增加農業使用管制及犧牲農民權益。 |
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3733.141 |
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第三個部分： |
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有關於農地資源的投入﹐其實是立基於﹐農民對於農業的一個經營﹐並維護農業環境來思考的本部將持續研議各種獎勵的措施所有的獎勵措施﹐基本上﹐是針對農民的一個耕作模式 |
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3777.358 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
主席 |
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3799.754 |
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3801.955 |
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第二次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整會議 |
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3824.437 |
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3825.137 |
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第一次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整會議 |
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3853.857 |
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3872.183 |
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基本上他不會因為國土計畫是不是如其實施而改變換句話說國土計畫的實施跟我們農業的一些相關的政策的推動他並沒有一個直接的一個關聯性那我們整個農業部事實上 |
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3873.203 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
3900.242 |
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我們在農業發展區的一個推動未來的農業發展區不只是一個農業生產的基地那它更是在配合我們國家希望工程之下我們希望說透過整體的一個鄉村發展的一個規劃未來將會打造成一個以農村為發展中心的一個永續農業的一個發展體系那在這樣的一個思維之下 |
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3901.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
3929.873 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
我們將和地方政府未來一定會持續努力共同建構穩定的農業生產永續的農業生態以及幸福的農村生活的一個整個農業的一個大願景那第五個部分在這邊要特別去強調在整個因應國土計畫在114年4月30日全面實施我們相關的部內的相關的一個法律包括區域計畫停止試用以後那本部 |
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3944.547 |
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客針對農業用地、耕地還有林地的範圍及農業使用的認定以及涉及區域計畫法相關的規範進行法制作業的一個調整那最後我要跟各位委員說明國土計畫所帶來的影響 |
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3945.868 |
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3946.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
二次初步審查會議 |
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3967.462 |
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第二次初步審查會議 |
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3991.278 |
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4000.443 |
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既有的農民的合法耕作的權益並加強推動友善的耕作措施以上報告 敬請各位委員執照 |
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4004.684 |
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4005.004 |
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有在： |
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4033.297 |
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4033.878 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
主席 |
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4046.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
4056.608 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
各位委員女士先生以及參與本次審查會議的中央機關代表還有各地方政府首長及代表大家好今天我們南投縣政府 |
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4065.794 |
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4066.034 |
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國土計畫法草案修正草案 |
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大會這邊在我們的公聽會的報告裡面從245頁到264頁都有詳細的說明那這次我們最主要是說我們本縣本府的一個疑慮跟困境那在我們本縣辦理國土功能分區畫社作業期程那在畫社的我們也開了52場次的公聽會在有諮詢會專案小組等大小會議 |
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在一一三年一月十八號完成國土功能分區草案的審議在辦理國土分區功能化社中還有兩百多個人的陳情議會也在要求中央為就我們本府所提出的一億解明妥適的方案處理方案前暫不報送我們的國土功能分區土草案給予中央這部分是我們議會有這樣的決議 |
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我們的疑慮就是說我們在國土功能分區草案暫緩報佈實施作業的相關原因在我們113年8月16號的時候內政部董政次也有率隊到我們本府訪談時我們也有充分跟他說明但我們仍有相關的問題我們稍微在會長跟大會報告 |
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有關國土保育區內的農業使用土地應改化農業發展區的第三類之訴求國土署僅表示國土保育區第二類範圍的農牧用地如農業主管機關提供不影響國土保安、水源保護的必要之農業專營區 |
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第二次初步審查會議：完整會議 |
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委員：完整會議 |
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國土署已經持續更新相關圖資﹐違對圖資的主管機關﹐圖資的公告程序﹐更新的頻率﹐還有坐標系統與進度之要求仍未統一規範第六個是我們國土保育地域區地類上屬公有森林區﹐ |
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委員：完整會議 |
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再來就是我們鄉村地區整體規劃作業遭遇的疑議：國土署僅表示仍需累積足夠後事實研議訂定相關的一個規範再來相關執法仍未完成訂定或修訂因涉及民眾的權益甚懼我們地方政府面對民眾的一個諮詢時 |
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第一次初步審查會議：完整會議 |
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第一次初步審查會議． |
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主席 |
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第二次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整會議 |
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藍投縣議會同意後：暫行報佈辦理審議作業藍投縣做以上的報告謝謝張副處長接下來請嘉義縣政府經發處國土計畫科科長鄭新儀政科長 |
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主席各位委員各位部會的主管以及各位縣市的代表大家早安那有關於今天的會議涉及國土計畫法修正法草案裡面所修正的事項的條文之中那其中有關於第7條第23條第35條的部分我們憲補的部分就是配合修正來辦理那有關於第45條涉及到 |
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國土功能分區的其成部分目前嘉義縣政府的國土三階已經在今年的9月11日報到內政部來做審議縣府是尊重立法院審議的結果 |
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主席主席 |
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好 謝謝鄭科長接下來我們請新竹市政府參議陳永元陳參議 |
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主席還有各位委員女士先生還有中央部會的首長以及各縣市的代表大家早安那新竹市我想是比較目前有四個縣市已經通過了我們國土公文分區的一個審議所以我們的意見比較單純以下就有兩個意見來提出我們的說法第一個就是有關於我們提案有關於原住民族土地 |
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主席 |
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第二點就是有關提案修法涉及國土功能分區公告實施時間延後的議題那因為新竹市的國土功能分區已經在今年的113年的9月24號召開內政部的國土計畫審議會第31次的會議審議通過了那因為我們的人民團體的陳情意見較為單純而且沒有涉及重要的敏感議題 |
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所以針對委員提案修正內容我們尊重那我們新竹市也後續將依照中央所定的時程來配合辦理以上是新竹市的意見 謝謝好 謝謝陳參議我們接著請臺南市政府督發局副總工程師楊副總工程師 |
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主席各位先進大家好那臺南市政府在國土功能分區土的部分已經在今年的一百八月份已經報報布來進行審議那當然市政府這邊還是希望中央能加快審議的程序那後續會配合中央的政策方向依規定辦理那這一次有關立院部分立委提出國土法修正的部分臺南市政府沒有特別意見以上補充謝謝 |
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謝謝楊副總工程師 接著請新北市政府城鄉發展局的主任秘書謝登武 謝祖密 |
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主席、立委、中央各位長官、縣市政府、自家市政府、同仁、大家好、新北市政府、城鄉區、代表、報告我們的意見可能是全台灣意見最多,大概1300多件澄清案現在我們當然盡量處理,目前我已經開過一次大會,八次小組,接著還預備再開兩次 |
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第一次初步審查會議：完整會議 |
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第一次初步審查會議：完整會議 |
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十月份已經完成了部內的法制手續那那個內涉的內容跟四月二十六號預告的材料好像又有點不一樣所以我們同一天在講的時候可能有一點會比較保守一點那希望這一步能夠趕快確定還有一些其他相關的執法 |
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第二就是現在非都市開發許可案的轉軌機制按照國土計畫法的規定國土公能分局公布實施之後一切就按照新的法規已經在程序中的申請案到底要怎麼處理第二個問題就是說 |
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因為規定是七一計畫法不再適用而非直接失效就在法制上名詞上好像我們撫念有些單位有些意義他不是用廢紙他說失效那我們到底能不能用一個不再適用這樣的字眼就駁回人民的深情愛有這樣子的問 |
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第二次初步審查會議：完整會議 |
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最大的就是很多人稱案件：絕大多數都針對國土功能分區化學原則稱有異議簡單講沒有人願意劃入國土保育地區所以原則可能還是要確定一點以後我們說明會比較 |
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《國土計畫法修正草案》 |
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國土計畫科科長林嘉賓林科長 |
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那接下來請高雄市政府督發局的副總工程師 薛淵仁 |
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主席 各位委員 還有各位與會的先進 剛是政府這邊來做一個說明那因為依據國土計畫法45條的一個規定那直轄市縣市國土計畫公告實施之後四年內必須依照這個中央主管機關指定的日期 並來公告這個 |
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第二次初步審查 |
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公能分區圖是不是要修法展援這個部分 高雄市政府支持然後配合這個中央主管機關內政部他目前規劃的這個政策方向跟他的期程這第一點那第二點就是說因為目前國土計畫法缺乏國土公能分區變更開發負擔回饋的機制以及整體開發的一個原則 |
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因為後續各個地方政府都會去辦國土計畫的通盤檢討跟鄉郡地區的整體規劃後續如果說有一些農業發展區變更為城鄉發展區或是說農業發展區的第二類他要調整為農業發展區的第四類如果沒有這個變更負擔回饋的一個機制跟整體開發的一些法源依據的話 |
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第二次初步審查會議：完整會議 |
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謝謝薛副總工程師我們接著請金門縣政府參議張芮欣張參議 |
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主席、各位委員、理事先生還有我們部會所長跟各縣市縣進大家早安、大家好本縣針對這次國土計畫法的修正因為我們也已經完成國土計畫功能分析圖的一個 |
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報佈 而且審議通過在這裡我們表示支持部裡的決議我們會依照中央發布的期程來配合辦理那對於本次的一個我們答應的一個修法我們表示尊重 沒有其他意見 謝謝 |
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苗栗縣政府工商發展處產發科科長蘇英麗蘇科長 |
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主席還有各位委員還有與會單位大家好本縣的國土計畫三級二審查的會議已經完畢我們現在是正在修正的階段我們有提出一些突破畫社原則的調整在這邊我們是希望國土署可以依照它每一次下鄉跟我們長官承諾的各縣市政府都可以有一些因地制宜或者是市人民需求需要的一些調整 |
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李政委 李局長 |
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主席各位委員還有今天與會的各位縣市代表還有中央的部長還有署長我們感謝部長這邊跟署長下鄉做很多公聽會跟說明會也獲得很多指導跟授意那不曉得可不可以我們有一個主要檢要大綱大家一頁左右可不可以先要發下去因為我們分成兩部分第一部分是屬於臺中市政府是屬於針對法令的部分然後的修正意見 |
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有關中央相關國土計畫法執法尚未完備 |
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第二次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整會議：完整會議：完整會議 |
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所以明年直接上路的時候我遇到公告發佈實施之後地方的知識條例還沒完成修訂相關辦法沒有時間修訂我想這是第一個問題第二個 中央相關的執法上會定義我們部會的定位 業務的定位也影響地方全職的分工我以前是我都發局堆的是國土署然後那個地政局堆的是地政司可是他分工之後有些部分他流到國土署去了 |
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第二次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整會議 |
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第三個,農業發展地區經過清查盤點之後,農地的總量管制雖然有各縣市確定,可是農一農二的權責分工,造成各縣市的混淆 |
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第二次初步審查會議：完整會議： |
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第三點議定 |
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第四個意見,剛才也有提到,我非都市土地開發許可轉軌國土制的時候,要有明確使用彈性,以利先接因為我非都的開發許可裡面,牽涉到很多由新辦事業階段、小組審查階段、工展階段、工廳會階段還有甚至是大會審查修正階段,明年世界審查國土計畫的公告發布時是它的展延期限到世界審查就終止了 |
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第四點意見 |
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第二次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整會議 |
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第一次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整會議 |
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第二次初步審查會議：完整 |
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5400.569 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
5419.021 |
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產業用地需求會受到農地總量管制的部分如同我剛才所報告,產業用地的需求先需有這兩個部分地方發展產業區、科學園區的需求用地如果在明年之前還沒有完成相關的法令的部分的話是會變成農業區,那這個部分就影響地方發展甚至我們有產業區還是屬於未來的工廠的登記用地 |
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| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
5426.728 |
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第八點有關原住民基本法的部落範圍跟國土計畫公民分區的花色原則有產生競合 |
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| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
5465.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
中央原住民委員會應該加速協調相關的原民部落跟原住民保留地的認定跟地方的一個相關實際發展的部分我們目前在圖資套會過程中原民部落跟原住民保留地還有實際發展的部分就發生圖資無法重疊跟相關的競合情形以至於一定沒辦法去整合跟重疊造成我們在分區跟用地劃定的時候沒辦法符合地方發展需求或實際發展需要 |
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| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
第二,原住民地區的土地﹐時常會有原旱增地的問題﹐這原旱增地的問題﹐使用情形混雜﹐這部分也會造成﹐農山跟﹐國保號的爭議﹐我想這是第八點意見第九,有部分是﹐原區域計畫費都市﹐土地轉化為國土計畫公民分區﹐資訊化商務完整必須跟委員會報告一下﹐國土計畫成鄉的發展﹐第一計畫是在﹐ |
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5494.084 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
主席主席主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
5510.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
李玉璇議員 |
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5542.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
第一次初步審查會議：完整會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
5566.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
5567.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
許懷群 許處長 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
5578.545 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
5590.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
主席 各位委員以及各位議會代表加一市政府這邊報告加一市的國土功能分區我們已經在今年的10月15號報布內政部也在定於這個月11月12號來召開國土計畫會來審議我們目前在一日進度來執行也尊重立法院這邊審議的結果 謝謝 |
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5602.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
5610.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
好,謝謝徐處長接著請花蓮縣政府地政處地用科科長劉鴻邦劉科長 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
5621.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
5649.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
主席各位與會代表大家好花蓮縣政府報告花蓮縣政府去年12月已經辦理花蓮縣的那個國土工能分區的審議那2月的時候已經今年2月已經報部然後來送審那今年9月跟新竹市一樣在31次會議的時候已經審議完成那目前花蓮縣政府正在積極辦理那個鄉村地區整理規劃那因為花蓮縣的太八郎部落 |
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| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
5678.063 |
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全台示範部落所以我們針對這個105年5月1號如果國土功能分區沒有辦法在4月30號5月1號真實實施的話那將來後續的一些我們的那些那個城鄉鄉村規劃的部分是不是會造成我們的那個分區沒有辦法確定那造成我們將來在做規劃的時候有一些 |
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5678.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
5679.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
請張化縣政府建設處副處長陳明楠陳副處長 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
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主席 各位委員 各位縣長 大家早安那 彰化縣政府兩點發言第一個就是我們配合明年的國土計畫法上路目前累積的審議的陳情案件有319件那正在積極的安排縣的專案小組審議那預計在年底 年底會將國土功能分區報佈 |
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| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
第二次初步審查會議．〈國土計畫法修正草案〉第二次初步審查會議．〈國土計畫法修正草案〉第三次初步審查會議．〈國土計畫法修正草案〉 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
5782.151 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
主席 各位委員 還有議會的各位長官還有先進那屏東縣政府報告屏東縣政府的公共分析3G的部分已經在今年的7月報到部裡面排審了那有關這一次就是大院接受就是一些民眾曾經希望能夠展延延期整個公告實施日期的話那屏東縣是予以尊重那我也會配合修法的結果來辦理以上 |
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主席、各位委員﹚各位與委的長官、貴賓大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
5804.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
5814.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
新竹縣代表發言新竹縣政府在10月17日已經經過內政部國審會專案小組會議已經審議合併目前進度上,原則上我們是配合法定規定來做相關的配套 |
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| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
委員：完整會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
5847.917 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
第二次初步審查會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
5864.335 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
5888.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
第二次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
5908.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
5908.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
國土計畫法修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
5929.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
5929.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
主席 |
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5951.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
5976.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
說法是說是為了要保障民眾的權利但是民眾的質疑就是說我既然是在農業發展區域裡面那我蓋農舍是跟農業發展不可分離的一部分那你又限縮說在原來區域計畫法裡面的編定類別才可以蓋那這樣的話那為什麼要廢止區域計畫法那為什麼要推國土計畫法那這個部分是我們比較沒有辦法回答的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
5978.104 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
5994.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
5995.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
6010.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
6015.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
新竹縣有科學園區、工業區、零散工業用地這些分區目前的制度是保留擴廠機制目前看到未來國土計畫上線後 |
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| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
二次初步審查會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
我做工廠可以享有這個 我不做工廠就會退到變成可能類似只有30到90所以我沒有辦法往前進 也沒有辦法擴展 退沒有利益可圖 |
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| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
6074.501 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
新竹縣委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
6093.583 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
第二次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
6122.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
6128.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
好謝謝周科長接著請臺中縣政府建設處都市計畫科科長陳鼎榮陳科長 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
謝謝主席 謝謝各位長官臺東縣政府報告臺東縣政府和國土署共同推動國土計畫那我們在113年10月9號第10次和第11次臺東縣國委會已經將國土三階的課題跟人民陳情全部討論完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
那預計在113年11月29號第12次臺東縣國委會會將功能分區圖做全案確認然後就會準備做報佈的作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
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那考量國土計畫事關重大會影響臺東縣的民眾和原住民族權益比較大所以臺東縣是希望中央盡快協助完成相關配套執法比如說國土計畫的土地使用管制規則跟原住民族土地使用管制規則以利本府向民眾第一線做說明以及後續執行遂行以上報告 |
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休息五分鐘,讓大家用洗手間 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
二次初步審查 |
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| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
6242.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
第二次初步審查會議 |
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6265.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
6267.426 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
第二次初步審查會議：完整會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
6294.736 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
第二次初步審查會議：完整 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
6307.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
6309.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
第二次初步審查會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
6332.084 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
剛剛那個新竹現燈 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
第二次初步審查會議：完整會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
6380.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
二次初步審查會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
6392.891 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
第一次初步審查會議：完整 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
6418.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
6420.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
第二次初步審查會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
6440.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
第二次初步審查會議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
6462.843 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
第二次初步審查會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
6481.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
6484.772 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
第二次初步審查會議：完整會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
6502.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
第二次初步審查會議：完整 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
第二次初步審查 |
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| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
二次初步審查會議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
6578.719 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
第二次初步審查 |
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| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
6592.535 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
因為我是覺得說 |
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| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
第一次初步審查會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
6652.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
第二次初步審查會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
6681.958 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
6684.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
第二次初步審查會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
6723.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
好,我們現在繼續開會接著我們請臺北市政府﹐都發局綜合企劃科科長﹐江中信﹐江科長是,主席﹐各位先進,大家早安臺北市由於全市都是都市土地﹐所以在跨社或公共分區上面的作業相對比較單純那臺北﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
臺北市的國土計畫法修正草案已在今年的8月15日提請內政部審議也承蒙內政部在很快的排了下個禮拜二我們會跟嘉義市一起做審議如果如今內政部審議通過應該可以配合指定時程來辦理公告作業對於修法的部分本市沒有意見 謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
6763.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
好,謝謝江科長接下來我們請﹐立法委員﹐楊瓊英,楊委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
6775.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
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6795.724 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
第二次初步審查會議：完整會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
6849.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
整個國家大家團結一致台灣最重要的就是我們的土地這是非常的重要沒有土地就連國家都不成立了所以這個是國家必要的三大元素之一所以我以下要說明的我也敬請行政部門以及議會的各位人士大家一起來參酌我們的目標就是真正的要配套完成能夠好好的來落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
6850.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
委員會審查委員會審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
6891.017 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
打明年4月30號要倉促上路完全沒有配套的希望要等行政部門將配套做好我們一起好好的來努力來落實這是我要希望得到我們院會裡頭不分藍綠黨派藍綠白的委員大家一起來支持真正的照顧我們的民眾跟我們的保護我們的土地 |
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| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
6897.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
所以我就針對幾項我要特別說明第一項我們在整個國土計畫法裡頭的指向根本沒有完整我們也非常清楚以我臺中市直轄市來講我們有自治條例那你的自治條例不是你中央政府一指令下 |
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| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
6927.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
就得以去執行還要經過我臺中市議會的一個審查三讀通過送警市政府辦理所以在我們的自治條例不只臺中市所有22個縣市都必須要這麼做那這個時間點請問內政部相關單位你的時間點是要放在哪裡這個第一個沒有指向根本沒有辦法去落實第二個我特別要說中央部會自己本身 |
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| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
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第一次初步審查會議：完整會議 |
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第三個我要特別說的在農地的方面農一農二特農這一些的條件每一個區塊的形態不依我台中市我們有什麼我們有這個清泉崗機場國際機場我們更有什麼我們更有台中港國際港口我們的地形地物通通都不一樣非常的豐盛比如說我大安區紅湖五九 |
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所以必須要好好地審視之接下來這個是在我們整個分區的定位接下來我還會討論的目前所謂的你的都市計畫你開發的許可你的轉軌機制要怎麼轉 |
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我們可以跟世界來接軌可以跟世界來競爭在這樣的一個條件之下你的接軌機制要怎麼做呢我在這邊說明一、我們台中目前我們的豐洲工業區的二期那現在它已經在執行審議中如果說到明年的4月30沒有答案的時候那你要回歸於原分區那這個台灣怎麼辦 |
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那你所有22個縣市你們預計要發展的整個縣市的發展全部受到影響這一個我要勿請中央黨委請你勿必勿必去探討清楚 |
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比如說一個殯葬業者人家已經給你申請申請你在執行中是你政府的速度還沒審議完畢到了明年4月30如果到你的法通過之後4月30全部回歸委員使用分區這怎麼辦沒有政府這麼沒有誠信的不可以如此的所以我特別來提出這一點接下來我要說的 |
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接下來我還要跟要說的 |
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你中央來設一個獎勵金在條文裡頭我記得本期在這個內政委員會跟部長 我也感謝部長當時我說 你說這個獎勵最高上限五百萬捲舉的最高上限五百萬當時我提出的時候 本期提出部長也非常的瞭解我們的民情我說你這樣子會鼓勵大家不要工作 |
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你既然地方政府都沒有資料你怎麼審啊?高雄你怎麼審啊?金融你怎麼審啊?台中你怎麼審啊?你怎麼審?你怎麼審?你完全根本連資料都沒有你怎麼審?不可能的所以這些的配套到時候是中央來審還是地方來審?不知道不知道如果依照目前行政部門所提出的是由地方政府必須要去賦權者是審查 |
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所以我們台中有我們的和平當民國一百年我們升格為直轄市的時候我們的本來是鄉鎮公所要選鄉鎮長要選鄉民代表但是剛好本席在擔任書記長的時候有一個原住民的朋友告訴了我一句話我很感動 |
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我聽到這一句話我真的要流淚一個民主國家國家的資源竟然對接對不上來所以我開始提案直轄市的區長 |
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還是有選的而且直轄市的區長是由原住民鄉原鄉就區長的身份必須是原住民那既然用選的我們就要有代表會那有代表會就有代表就要產生主席所以我們另外原漢合一也就是代表會的主席不需要是有原住民的身份就可以這個成為代表會主席 |
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這個是我們整個國家原案合一所以我要請問我們的中央黨委到底到目前為止我們一直在推動的這樣的一個方向那我要請問我們原住民的部落還有原住民的保留地還有原案合一之後原住民的保留地也有一些我們和就是大家進入大家一起合作去發展我們這些的重要文化資產以及我們的土地好好的去保護 |
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誰決定那要怎麼樣去管控你的SOP流程：你的制度到底要怎麼樣所以以上我所做的說明我真的仍舊非常非常的希望依照目前現行的法規裡頭地方政府必須要依照國土計畫使用許可公開展覽與公聽會跟陳述意見的處理辦法那麼跟我們的民眾來溝通再次召開公聽會但是這一些的相關你沒有做 |
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但是分歧非常的大你不僅讓地方政府無所適從沒有辦法如期的去完成它的土地這個功能的分區的這個劃分到目前為止還有人什麼農一農二特農還沒有辦法定出來因為民眾的抗議聲太大了不是地方政府不做而是民眾的抗議聲太大了所以因此我們現在看到國土計畫法面臨到不少的困難 |
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內容就是將現行四年內公告國土功能分區圖來期限延長至六年也就是緩衝兩年你相關的配套你趕快去做因為我們最終的目標 |
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需要執行實現土地資源的合理運用以及我們非常願意的永續發展以上是我的建議雖然這個激動了一點因為我們服務處每一天接到的電話真的是打爆了所以我願意將這一些的資料以及面向提供給與會的人士來做參考拜託請支持延長六年謝謝是四年延長至六年謝謝 |
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謝謝楊瓊怡委員非常詳細的來做了很多的說明跟提問本席在這裡要請我們的行政單位是不是在行政單位等一下最後統一回應之前能夠先把目前國土計畫法相關的執法你們預計要提出來的執法的這個 |
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好,謝謝,謝謝委員還有議會各位先進,大家好那雲林縣政府的話我們有三項意見那第一個的話就是針對我們的農業權那第二個的話就是針對農業權的話我們希望可以成立我們這個特別的基金那第三個的話是針對我們鄉村地區的整體規劃應該入法 |
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國土計畫法對於特別犧牲的農民應該給予特別的補償為了保障我們農民的權利尤其雲林縣有50%是農友雲林縣政府其實早在110年我們發布的雲林縣奪土計畫中就已經提出農業權的主張從進城 |
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中央對國土計畫法提出 農業權的完整配套措施還是沒有所以我們還是希望中央的話 |
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主席 |
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國土計畫法修正草案 |
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第三個的話就剛剛提到了我們鄉村地區就整體規劃應該明定不管是在國土計畫法或者是相關的這些執法當中應該續明這個法令的未接還有應該辦理的這個內容 |
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因為其實從一百零九年我們頒布的這個國土計畫法裡面那鄉村地區整體規劃並沒有相關的條文那在一百零八年的時候那個那時候有修訂一個施行細則那其中第六條他有說對於縣轄市直轄市或者是縣市這個空間發展計畫應明載就說直轄市 |
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先是城鄉空間發展過程及鄉村地區的整體規劃全國國土計畫法也要採明要求我們的直轄市我們的縣市政府應該辦理鄉村地區的整體規劃來改善我們公共空間設施或者是建築土地的不足甚至我們農村環境的破壞等等課題但是這些法規都是要求事項 |
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非常感謝 謝副縣長親自出席 |
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那我們接下來請桃園市政府督發局國土計畫科科長湯靜雯湯科長 |
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主席、各部會長官及相關與會單位大家好桃園市府在這邊要鄭重地表示我們從來沒有反對國土計畫制度的實施桃園市府到現在還沒有交國土功能分區圖是因為我們發現原本110年公告的縣市國土計畫已經不符合現在桃園的發展而新制度的實施是會書和圖一起發生效力的包含去年新竹客管局要推動的龍客廓以及今年9月行政院國客會核定的桃竹苗大紀股 |
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都不在我們一百一十年桃園市國土計畫流射的產業儲備用地區位我們今年下半年已經啟動了專案通盤檢討：初步的成果已經完成十一月我們將啟動專家學者及各機關的研商會議十二月開始我們會啟動十三區的公聽會待通檢成果完成後：我們會聯同桃園市的第三階段國土功能分區圖：一併報送內政部 |
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我們現在遇到民眾最擔心的問題是因為現在國土功能分區分類扣除都市計畫土地、海域、國家公園只剩十種的國土功能分區分類而現行區域計畫陸域是十種分區十八種用地現在的國土功能分區分類沒有辦法對接現行區域計畫陸域的十八種邊定每一種功能分區分類中都可能有十八種用地民眾擔憂自己的土地不知道要怎麼使用 |
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法令政策的不確定跟一再的變動﹐讓我們地方政府﹐下鄉溝通困難﹐雖然內政部不斷強調既有權益的保障﹐但大家可以看看現在最新國土計畫的圖管草案﹐ |
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在國土計畫：國土保育地區：跟農業發展地區裡面原區域計畫的假建是不可以做停車場的我想就叫大家合理嗎甚至未來政府機關想要新設據點在農業發展地區內也只能找假建一件丙建油漆特務不像現在政府機關有需要還可以辦理開發許可或是小面積的變更編訂 |
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第一次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整會議 |
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第一次初步審查會議：完整會議 |
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而這些所有送進來的案件都沒有在我們110年國土限制國土計畫的未來發展地區一個新制度的推動卻沒有辦法阻止舊日兔的爆量案件這真的是我們想要的嗎最後我想跟大家說我們可不可以不要只是討論要不要延期 |
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好 謝謝湯科長接下來請連江縣政府秘書長 張榮德 張秘書長 |
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主席 各位委員 各位與會貴賓因為連江縣是全國土地面積最小那我們因為島嶼的脆弱性高所以我們很多在幾十年前我們就已經公告全縣都是都市計畫區而沒有非都的問題所以我們在國土分區圖我們很早應該是全國第一個送內政部審議而且去年9月25號已經通過了那對於這一次的修法我們也沒有意見 謝謝 |
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好,謝謝張秘書長接下來請徐宇貞委員發言 |
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謝謝主席我想剛剛聽完我們各縣市的這個代表來發表的有關國土計畫法目前的這個進度跟看法那我們可以聽到就是說其實還有很多的大家共同的一些問題跟一些相關的執法 |
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國土計畫法修正草案 |
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我相信大家也都很希望能夠好好的來推動國土計畫法但是因為在國土計畫法現有的這個限制之下未來這些農地沒有辦法隨意的變更損害農民的權益甚至當然也影響到直轄市縣市的未來的發展 |
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所以從全國的公平負擔的觀點來看國土計畫法制定時有所疏漏關於農業權的這個概念的保障農民農地農用特別犧牲的補償還有鄉村地區整體規劃的作業規範跟相關的執法序名跟它的法令未接以及相關的配套措施其實都還沒有完善所以到現在為止我相信各縣市政府也都收到很多民眾的這個陳情 |
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大家都還有很多的疑慮跟反對的聲音所以國土計畫法即將在明年要正式上路但是到目前為止大概還有八個縣市沒有辦法提報功能分區圖其實之所以無法提報跟中央政府現在還沒能制定完整的配套措施以及民眾對於國土分區的權益都還有疑問所以這些縣市政府才不敢貿然的提報 |
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第二次初步審查會議 |
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國土計畫法修正草案 |
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二次初步審查會議 |
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第二次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整會議 |
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國土計畫法修正草案 |
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農業不需配合的這個修正的執法目前還沒全部完成那補償的機制也還沒有下文所以目前全國有99%的農會也反對國土計畫法倉促上路 |
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第二次初步審查會議 |
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特別的犧牲應該要有特別的補償但是目前為止還沒有看到相關的配套錯法跟補償的措施所以農民對於即將上路的國土計畫法都感到憂慮因此本席在國土計畫法第45條的這個修正案有提案要求希望能夠施行的日期能夠展延兩年讓中央政府可以利用這兩年的時間制定完整的配套措施 |
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謝謝徐宜貞委員接著我們請宜蘭縣政府建設處處長潘亮宇潘處長 |
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主席各位與會先進大家好今天針對國土計畫法修正草案我們宜蘭縣政府有兩點意見第一個針對我們中央機關國土功能分區的這個劃設的標準那我們希望要有一致性跟公平性因為這個劃設標準在110年其實就已經提出來所以我們宜蘭縣政府針對農一農二的劃設標準我們都是依照中央的標準來做劃設的 |
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第二次初步審查會議：完整 |
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二次初步審查會議 |
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民眾跟議員也跟我們反映目前能夠調整的時機就是五年的通盤檢討但是大家也知道目前現在都市計畫的通盤檢討三到五年就要檢討一次但是其實通盤檢討的時間都花費非常長的一個時間 |
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主席主席 |
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首先我們請國土署吳署長 |
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感謝趙吉仁還有各縣市政府我們的工作夥伴其實我們各縣市的同仁其實在陪著國土署在過去這六年其實都大家一起在努力那也一起在協調這一些相關的事務所以我們才能走到目前有14個縣市政府都已經有提交那我們也在審查當中那 |
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國土計畫法修正草案 |
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第二次初步審查會議：完整 |
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所以在土地使用管制的部分都有做一些彈性的調整那也跟單位來報告就是說我們在目前23項執法裡面目前已經都有完成的有15項那在不法規會審訊的也有6項那現在有部會協商的還有3項我們預計在今年年底之前全部都可以來發布但是在這過程當中 |
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各縣政府其實都有提供一些修正的一些建議所以就這個部分那我們在這個過程當中都有參採大家的建議做一些修正那第二個呢在中央部會的部分我們跟農業部跟園民會其實都保持非常順暢的溝通那至於所謂在過去的國土計畫的部門跟地政部門的 |
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第二次初步審查會議 |
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第二次初步審查 |
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全縣 因為國土計畫在地方政府也是屬於縣市政府而不是單一的局處那所以這個部分呢 員長是尊重縣市政府在這個內部的全責分工的一個部分那在這個非都市土地的使用的一個轉軌其實我想我們都有找各縣市政府都有開過會因為各縣市政府的受理期 |
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第一次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整會議 |
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如果在明年4月30號：國土法實施之後：該與國土工農分區的時候：如果你已取得開發許可的案件：那當然 |
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衆議院議員 |
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大家在會比較多的這一個部分就是說會有另外一個比較尷尬的部分就是說就過去在地方政府也有提出新辦事業已經核准使用地尚未變更還稍微完成變更那經過申請人提出應經申請 |
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同意或準的話還是依照原有的計畫內容在使用所以這一點是變成說你不需要一定最後要走完國土計畫的程序但是你原有已經新辦事業計畫核准的項目的部分還是可以繼續沿用所以這一點都是盡可能在過程當中協助大家在轉軌的部分減少這樣的疑慮那也讓申請人在這過程當中能夠有充分獲得保障 |
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但是我們也理解在過去的做法當中有些縣市政府因為受理了比較大型的案件或是本來條件比較特殊可能很難以成就的這些案件都有可能在這過程當中還是持續的在提 |
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那這些其實也相對應證一下他在趨跡的時代本來就可能不會過的他當然還是希望提出來但是相對有一些環境敏感條件或是在需求上並未達成這樣的條件的部分呢我想不管他在趨跡的時代在國土計畫的時代 |
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委員：完整 |
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第二次初步審查會議 |
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有比較情節重大未依許可來進行使用或是符合國土功能區分類而且屬應經申請使用但是沒有申請甚至是屬於完全沒有申請就進行破壞的大規模的開發或是大型的土地破壞農地破壞或污染的事件的時候就會提高罰款 |
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第二次初步審查會議：完整會議 |
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其實本來在海洋資源的部分都各自有各自的法規這一點我們只是重新做一個統整那其實在地方政府它也本身對於海洋資源包含野保法的部分都有一些相關自己的法規這部分我們一樣沒有動因為國土審查的機關它本身是一個匯總做最後查核的一個機關並不是屬於最後把所有權限一把抓的一個機關所以這個部分 |
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主席 |
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衆議院議員 |
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9428.583 |
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這幾年的一個產業變化需求特別大但是所以我們是鼓勵他競速我們把第一版完成以後我們同時開始受理他的通盤檢討的一個這樣的一個申請那也加速在這個產業用地上面的一個整合我想這都可以給各縣市做一個很好的一個參考其實我們對於通盤檢討這件事情我們確實是保持非常開放而且鼓勵的一個做法希望能夠讓這個通盤檢討的作業那能夠來加速進行 |
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那這部分我們會再來努力因為是110年縣市版的國土計畫就已經發布實施所以115年造法規約115年他這就可以再提出但是115年以前他是可以準備通盤檢討作業的包含進行相關的規劃跟意見的收集他是都可以進行的所以這個部分呢如果縣市政府有覺得有通盤檢討因應產業的一個變化有通盤檢討的需要這個部分呢我們一樣會來 |
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第一次初步審查會議：完整 |
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如果未來還有一些行政制度或是整合的方式有需要我們再來協助的話我想我們會再來做一個充分的溝通跟努力至於有關農民跟原住民的部分我想待會我們就請兩位部會的長官再來做這樣的一個補充以上報告 |
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謝謝吳署長 |
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好 那但是在原民會跟農業部回應之前你們兩個單位的那個相關執法的部分你們有準備嗎因為內政部的好像在報告裡面就有列所以剛剛有疑慮的我們可以參照可以參考一下如果還有疑慮等一下第二輪發言你們可以把你們的疑慮再提出來那我不知道這個原民會跟農業部如果有那有印好了嗎 |
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謝謝各位委員跟先進的指導針對今天 |
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楊瓊瑛委員、新竹縣、南投縣、臺中市、臺東縣代表有提到原住民土地使用的問題這裡做一個說明剛剛主席也特別強調執法的部分在國土計畫法23條是有明定要原民會跟內政部會選來發布原住民土地使用的規則 |
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目前這個進度,我們預計是在12月底以前會跟內政部來彙弦公告就是預告這個法令的內容讓我們的全國民眾、原住民族來參考、來審視會提供相關的意見那如果這個法制作業完成以後接下來我們是會按照我們既定的期程一定要在明年的4月30號以前會彙弦內政部來公布、來實施 |
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所以在法案的部分 事實上目前都按照進度來進行那很多的有爭議的部分 事實上也都跟內政部 國土署有達成相關的這個共識第二個部分是有提到這個原住民族土地適用的範圍 它不是很明確我想這邊要說明說部落及其周邊範圍那大家一直講說這個公有土地 那它不太明確那實際上在原基法裡面的 |
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對於原住民族土地的定義是原住民的傳統領域土地跟原住民保留地那原住民保留地有非常明確地級的介質那傳統領域土地事實上在原民會從民國九十一年就開始做調查那有相關的圖資在我們的網站就是這官網有特別的去做公告其實這個剛剛有提到那些什麼部落範圍 |
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周遭的一定範圍內之公有土地其實它都在原住民族土地的範圍以內所以這個範圍的這個界定事實上在相關的土地跟會裡面所做的一些調查事實上都有所以這個範圍是不會說是不明確一定是可以如果有需要的話也可以我們也可以提供給各個縣市政府來參考這個範圍到底到哪個界值大概到哪裡 |
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另外就是提到原住民保護地很多都劃進去國保一跟國保二的問題我想這個部分可能我們跟內政部國土署在針對國土使用的規則草案裡面針對這個部分都有做處理 |
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新竹又提到泰雅族散居的問題其實這些都已經在我們在去年底到一直到今年都不斷的在做協調那在這個我們的使用管制的這個草案裡面事實上都有做處理就是 |
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《國土計畫法修正草案》 |
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另外就是針對非原住民在原住民的土地範圍內也有一些使用的問題我想會裡面近期也會提出一個原住民保留地管理條例目前也在進行法制的作業我們是希望說 |
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第一次初步審查會議：完整會議 |
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那地用的問題事實上只要是合法的成豬使用原住民保育地其實他的權益是不會被剝奪的那我想這是國土計畫法很大的一個主要的這個宗旨就是既有權力的保障是不會去被限制的所以一樣在原保地上非原住民使用的土地的部分只要是合法的權益我們都會保障 |
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那它土地利用上﹐它會回歸到我們這個﹐通案的這個﹐土地使用規範﹐就是國土所定的規範﹐裡面去處理當然原民會也會﹐針對原保地的部分﹐給予適當的協助最後還是要強調是說﹐可能在很多的訊息上 |
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因為原民會在這個當中已經做了很多的這個說明會跟相關部會的這個討論還有我們這個地方政府的這些研商會議我們已經開了非常多的這樣的場次我上一次有報告說光是這個部落的說明已經應該是將近1500場那其他的什麼教育訓練啊專家學者的討論的 |
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第一次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整會議：完整會議 |
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所以有時候你們在講的問題事實上我們之前都已經有去處理也去協調那事實上在很多的配套措施上面有做了一些一些跟國土署有做達成一些協議也謝謝內政部的支持那我希望說這個使用管制的這個草案能夠依照我們剛剛所訂的那樣的期程來進行來完成以上報告 |
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謝謝副主委但是您的回應有一點本席蠻疑惑的您說都溝通了但是他們還是不知道那這是有溝沒有通不是 是因為我們在溝通的那個系統都是地方的原住民的單位 |
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原民處或是原民相關單位還是有意見上來才會代為反映我們再持續請原民單位跟他們反映已經有一些草案條件很明確了那些餘曆事實上當時都有處理我們會請他們再持續溝通 |
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所以應該很大的問題就是我們中央的很多的情況已經有做或已經有什麼可是地方不清楚這個部分是不是可以再加強溝通謝謝主席的指導好謝謝好那我們接著請農業部長那那個要列印給大家的是不是已經發下來了 |
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我想針對那個法條的部分因為法條的內容我們剛好正在行政院審議不用內容那我這邊先說明一下就是說我們現在農業部因應國土計畫法他必須要修正的大概有六個條例第一個就是農發條例的部分那農發條例最重要的就是他會針對你要說的這六個有沒有書面 |
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包括名稱,包括目前的進度,有沒有?有,有...沒關係,如果現在沒有,三天內好不好,送來這個內政委員會我順便回應,就是剛才那個也非常謝謝我們的委員還有我們各地方政府的一些建議跟疑慮那我在這邊做一併的一個說明那首先針對剛才有提到就是說,到底 |
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農業部門針對國土計畫它要配套修的這些執法那執法裡面有六條那其中最重要的一條就是農發條例那其他的包括森林法包括水保法包括山坡地保育法跟漁港法還有農產品市場交易法都是配合區域計畫法不適用以後的一個修正相對單純那農發條例最重要就是 |
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《國土計畫法修正草案》 |
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以前的地幕不見了,所以農民會有一些擔心所以我們在農發條例裡面會重新去界定農地的範圍、耕地的範圍相貴的就是說,你如果說農地非農業使用的時候回饋金的繳交還有一些非農業使用你原來在從事的時候你還是享有一些賦稅的優惠那這個部分我們都會去保障 |
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都會援引原來的區議計畫法的部分所以這個部分我想請大家都放心那我們這個法已經送到行政院了能夠盡快的經過審議以後會送到立法院來那第二個部分就是 |
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國土政務委員 |
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因為地方的發展開始在做這個區域之間的移動的時候那移動的時候在農業發展區是不是可能會變少那這個部分會不會有總量管制的範圍我在這邊跟各位報告其實我們就農業部門來講我們針對糧食安全所必需的這些農地大概74到81萬公頃那這個部分是有一個範圍的 |
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然後這個部分也是針對糧食安全必要的部分那相對的我們的農地的本身的這些相關的還有一些剝地的果樹的部分都並沒有納到74到81的部分所以它有一定的彈性總量的部分然後地方政府其實你現在在畫農一到農五的時候你們累計出來的也有一個總量的概念在那邊有一個總量的概念在那邊那未來在調整的時候我想 |
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第一次初步審查會議：完整會議 |
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一旦劃入農一到農五就一輩子都不能動它還是有它的彈性是可以調整的部分那我們還是會透過總量大概74到81這個範圍之內然後各縣市在做一些未來因應重大的建設計畫去做產業園區或其他園區也好去做調整所以這個部分我們會這樣的一個處理 |
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相對的就是剛剛還有提到農舍也是大家非常關心的農舍的部分我在這邊很明確的跟各位說明農舍的興建一定是從事農業使用那現在目前農業使用所界定的就是在農業發展區然後同樣的農舍有他農舍的興建辦法去做規範他不會因為國土計畫而改變 |
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主席 |
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因為農舍的部分在國土計畫的從事農業的那個地幕不見了所以這個部分未來在農業發展區裡面的農地的範圍耕地的範圍他一旦界定了以後我相信農民這邊就會比較清楚了也比較知道說後續的一個該怎麼做那第三個部分是 |
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國土計畫法修正草案 國土計畫法修正草案 國土計畫法修正草案 |
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國保二畫的比較多,農山畫的比較少其實在那個時間點,農業部其實已經主動的跟內政部協調把原來縣市政府畫在國保二的部分可以畫在農山的部分,我們就把它移出來 |
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所以我們已經有做這個動作了那相對的這個部分如果說在國保二還有縣市還有一些覺得說他可以調動農產的部分我想我們一定會跟縣市政府來討論一下看是什麼樣的方式是最好的這個是我想我們持續在做的部分然後同樣的很多縣市政府也提到就是說因為國保區裡面有原來的農牧用地 |
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國土計畫法修正草案 |
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國土計畫法修正草案 |
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這個部分我想整個農業資源是有限的以現在目前農業部來講我們的農業資源都是主要是投入在農業的發展區但是我們也不會說針對現在在國保區或者是在城鄉發展區原來的農牧用地持續做農業的使用的這些農民我們也不會說以後就不管他我們還是會從事持續的一個輔導 |
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國土計畫法修正草案 |
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第二次初步審查會議 |
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二次初步審查 |
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第二次初步審查會議 |
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目前有些縣市有做一些調整有些縣市好像沒有就是針對中央的指引直接畫上去了我在這邊再次強調農醫跟農二本身畫設除了中央指引以外它可以依據地方政府對於整個用地的這些發展的規劃還有它的地形地貌去做一些調整我舉個例子你如果純粹靠中央的指引的時候農醫有一個部分它可能是紅頭水貝 |
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紅毫GPS可能對於耕作可能不是那麼好對於農醫的時候那相關的它可能可以化為農惡那這個部分我們都會尊重所以未來農醫跟農惡大家不要太過於拘謹在唯一的一個畫色指引因為我還是強調它只是一個畫色的原則跟指引而已它不是一個一致性的統一絕對的標準 |
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如果是絕對標準的話,地方政府就別畫畫了我們在圖裡面畫完就結束了所以也請各個地方政府根據你們地方的發展去做適度的這些調整那在調整的過程中,農業部願意來跟地方政府來協助來討論怎麼樣畫設是比較好 |
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那未來在農一農二唯一的一個差異就是我後續的政府資源的投入會有一些差別因為農一本身它的集中度會比較高那集中度會比較高的時候我們的很多農水路的設施會比較優先去做處理那相對的農二的部分它比較沒有那麼集中的時候它還是會去處理但是它的優先次序會有一些差異性但是對農民來講 |
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第二次初步審查 |
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我也可能要花一點點的時間去談農業權的問題我想農業權本身它是一個概念式的名詞農業權的本身在不同的國家可能它的概念是不太一樣的 |
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主席 |
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《國土計畫法》 |
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會去抗議要你搬遷但是他們的農業權就基本上他准許農業在這裡做的時候避免了對於其他周遭土地的一個抗爭的一個行為這是在美國通用的農業權是處理農地跟周遭土地用地有紛爭的時候一個處理那第二個觀念就是農地本身的土地的開發權 |
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開發權就誠如剛才委員還有我們縣市政府有提到的所謂的土地他是一個私人財產但是我想要跟各位提到的就是其實全台灣的土地的一個開發他是隨著經濟發展而慢慢的形成相關的聚落以我小時候在台北市其實台北市一大部分都是農地 |
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但是因為你的經濟的開發慢慢的成為一個都會區慢慢的逐步的一個形成所以臺灣各地從南到北也絕對不是說臺北市北部地區又一定是都會區南部地區就一定是鄉村區或是農業區它會隨著人口的聚集隨著土地的經濟的發展而調整所以相對的私人財沒有錯土地是一個私人財產 |
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但是全世界沒有一個國家包括我們國內不是說私人財產的時候你想要做什麼就做什麼你這塊地你想要蓋房子百分之百蓋房子你就可以蓋房子你想要做什麼都沒有我們還是有一定的法律的規範當你要去蓋房子的時候你可能有相關的容積率的限制當你要蓋農舍的時候我們有農舍的規範那個部分就是要確保整個的一個土地的最大的利用價值以農業部來講 |
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就農地來講我們關心的是當你去守護這片農地當你用這片農地做經營的時候那我們用什麼樣的方式去支持這是第三種農業權的概念那相關的我想各位都知道 |
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一種是是 |
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第二次初步審查會議：完整會議 |
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第三種是所謂的土地的開發權 |
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第二次初步審查會議：完整會議 |
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國土計畫各件事不管有的交了有的沒交有的審完了有的沒審完了農業部都願意來跟地方政府去做一些討論跟一些協助特別是你們有疑慮的部分有一些是可能法規命令不是那麼了解那有一部分是因為執法我們還沒有公佈可能造成大家疑慮那這個部分我想我們很抱歉我們會盡快的 |
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國土計畫法修正草案 |
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以現在的農地的管制跟未來國土計畫的管制對農業的使用來講是一模一樣的不會有任何的改變絕對不會有任何的改變那這個部分我想也請各位放心我想我們大家都是有一次的目標希望我們重新國土規劃以後能夠讓我們的農業永續經營能夠讓我們的農地的資源能夠被確保這是我想我們非常重要的一個想法謝謝各位 |
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部長請留步一下您的回應裡面特別您剛農業權講了很多就本席這樣聽公聽會到今天各縣市政府的回應我們發現大家的農業權的概念大概就是您講的第三項有關對農民的補償因為我想我們有很大一部分是糧食安全 |
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糧食安全是國家要一起來承擔的,不是丟給農民現在在整個國土計畫法上路之後,農民有很多的擔憂跟疑慮這個部分好像有關相關的配套補償,我們還是沒有聽到您的回應 |
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我跟召委報告其實就農業部來講我們關注的是你用這片農地去從事農業的經營然後我們做資源的投入那剛才有不同包括委員包括一些縣市在提到的他是屬於土地的開發權 |
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土地的開發權我剛才提到的就是土地的開發權 農業部門是沒辦法去處理的除了土地的開發權跟農業部有關的是他們覺得你照這樣現行國土計畫法這樣劃設下去之後對農民有沒有更多的補償的措施因為我們這樣多次聽下來應該你們沒有聽到還是你們也正在研議 |
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我剛才特別提到的就是其實我們農業的資源的設計跟規劃還有最後的投入他不會因為國土計畫 |
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的實施與否而改變這是我們一貫的政策所以換句話說農業資源的投入包括我們的給付跟補那個獎勵的措施它跟國土計畫不是對家關係不是說我一定要做什麼樣的設計以後國土計畫才能做因為我剛才說的現在的農業的土地的管制跟未來國土計畫土地管制對農業的經營來講是完全沒有影響的那我們只會有更多的 |
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為了確保我們這邊土地的永續經營所以我們在所謂的對立式給付裡面我們強化了非常多的生態給付 |
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那特別是過去在國保區裡面他沒有所謂的生態給付因為過去的生態給付可能都是針對保育類的動物而已那我們很多生態給付包括友善的一個環境的耕作模式包括你的節水的模式然後不會影響周遭的生態環境的給付所以未來在國保區反而會有機會拿到比較多的生態給付所以我們用不同的給付的概念 |
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我還是強調我們的給付概念是一個獎勵就是我鼓勵你做這樣的農業的行為而給你獎勵而不是一個補償 |
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部長,是不是北中南區﹐我們很多的農民﹐他們仍然有的疑慮﹐我們還是持續的溝通﹐把這些疑慮﹐想辦法來化解,好不好?這個沒問題他們的需求﹐還是他們的需求﹐您詳細去了解,好不好?了解﹐我跟你們稍微報告﹐就是我們的﹐我在一開始報告也講了﹐我們的對雷氏脊腑﹐它可能是一個簡單的名詞而已﹐但裡面有一些內涵﹐這個內涵在內部﹐我們已經規劃好了﹐ |
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主席 |
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第一次初步審查會議：完整會議 |
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好 所以可見堆疊式擠附這個﹐大多數的農民還是不清楚﹐或是地方政府其實農民大部分都知道啦他們都很清楚了嗎大部分都知道只是我們的支持性的﹐包括我剛才說的﹐我們有金融性的﹐金融的支持﹐這個金融支持我們還會優化 |
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設置設備補助支持 |
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大多數的農民都能夠知道我們會努力部長還有我們農業部加油辛苦了我們請農業部三天內將相關配套修訂執法的名稱以及預定的進度能夠行文給內政委員會的所有委員還有複支內政委員會接著我們請經濟部來回應 |
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主席 各位委員 先進 大家好經濟部代表說明為配合國內我們這次土地使用管制大幅度的調整本部除了我們全面來盤點跟評估產用地需求之外其實我們也持續在跟國土部門在做延伸溝通以降低整個產業部門因為制度轉換而所受到的影響 |
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本部已經盤點了需要配合修正的法律條文目前都在研修中預計在年底前可以送到行政院 |
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那你們那個法﹖是不是經濟部也是相關的法條﹖還有異地進度﹖也可以﹖能夠行文﹖給我們內政委員會﹖的委員﹖還有副本﹖給內政委員會﹖好 謝謝好 |
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最後請內政部 劉部長來做最後的整體會議謝謝各位委員還有感謝地方政府派代表來出席今天由內政委員會所召集的會議我要非常謝謝我跟縣市地方代表 |
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李慧琼議員 |
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現在是第三階段的國土計畫的功能分區圖現在已經完成到爆破的部分有三分之二個縣市那有另外三分之一的縣市確實會有一些困擾 |
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第二次初步審查會議：完整會議 |
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國土計畫法修正草案 |
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十三年上個月底的時候已經完成十五項那另外的這個八項的部分呢剛剛我在報告的時候有跟大院的委員說在今年年底之前一定會完成發布那這個部分呢請這個召委可以放心那同時呢各個部會啊 |
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包括內政部、交通部、教育部、環境部、通傳會、財政部、經濟部、農業部﹐他們的法律名稱的修正都已經完成有關於農業部所提到的六部要修法的部分﹐其他的四個部﹐漁港法、農產品、市場交易法、水土保持法跟山坡地保育利用條例﹐ |
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早就已經完成這個抱怨沒有問題但剛剛陳部長有特別提到農業發展條例跟森林法由行政院在審查當中其實我們所了解其實進度也是相當的快部長也跟各位委員回應有關於農業權的這個部分我們也會再協調溝通有必須要我們再去幫忙說明土地開發或者是土地利用的部分 |
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《國土計畫法》 |
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《國土計畫法》 |
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第二次初步審查會議 |
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第一次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整 |
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以上報告 |
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好,謝謝劉部長接下來真的要辛苦您跨部會協調還有我們中央跟地方能夠有更多的溝通跟協調解決疑慮是非常重要的接著我們想請問各直轄市及縣市政府代表有沒有要第二輪發言的有沒有有沒有 |
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第一次初步審查會議：完整會議 |
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第二次初步審查會議．〈國土計畫法修正草案〉第一次初步審查會議．〈國土計畫法修正草案〉 |
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沒有異議通過再次感謝各位的參與今天中午有準備便當謝謝大家今天的會議到此結束現在散會 |
| IVOD_ID |
16241 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16241 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-07 |
| 影片種類 |
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| 開始時間 |
2024-11-07T08:30:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-07T11:46:00+08:00 |
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