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| 會議時間 |
2024-11-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請教育部部長鄭英耀、衛生福利部、法務部、數位發展部、內政部警政署、財政部關務署列席就「電子煙入侵校園危害青少年防制檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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報告委員會,我們出席委員十人以足法定人數現在開始開會首先進行報告事項,請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由．時間中華民國103年10月30日上午9時下午12時13分中華民國103年10月31日星期四定點北京群雄101會議室出席委員、紅號委員等15人、日系委員 |
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吳秉瑞等19人．列席人員．10月30日．文化部部長李遠．社團有關人員．原住民組委員會．教育文化處副組長邱文龍．教育部學生事務及特殊教育司司長吳林輝．國家發展委員會導案管理局專門委員王仲賢．內政部民政司檢任市長簡育晶 |
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法務部參事汪楠君、行政院人權及轉型正義處處長賴俊照、主席范昭景、韋芸芸10月30日報告事項、宣讀上次會議事務、決定事務確定、討論事項、審查行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院行政院 |
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通過臨時提案以上10月31日因颱風因素各機關停止上班宣讀完畢 |
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因為現場在場委員未達議決人數3人,議事錄站部確定今天的議程我們是邀請到教育部、鄭英耀部長、衛福部、法務部、數位發展部、內政部警政署以及財政部的關務署列席 |
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我們今天就電子煙入侵校園危害青少年的防制檢討．來進行專案報告．並備質詢那首先我先來介紹今天在場的委員．其次介紹與會的官員那首先我們介紹洪孟凱委員接下來我依次介紹今天在場的官員首先介紹我們教育部鄭英耀部長 |
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臨藤角常務次長教育部的各個官員我們就今天不介紹了接下來衛福部國健署副署長賈淑麗副署長食品藥物管理署朱育儒組長心理健康司宏佳基專門委員以及保護服務司黃瑞文科長 |
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接下來我們介紹法務部檢察司郭永發司長林少葉主任檢察官接下來是數發部我們牛杏仁司長是資源管理司接下來是數發部數位產業署陳惠敏副署長以及黃美靜檢任記政 |
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好,接下來是我們警政署刑事警察局陳炯旭副局長刑事警察局毒品查緝中心劉真如副大隊長財政部關務署陳世豐副署長好,現在首先我們先請教育部正部長來進行報告,報告時間8分鐘 |
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主席、各位委員、女士、先生、大家早安、大家好今天應邀列席委員會就電子煙入侵校園危害青少年防制檢討進行專題報告 |
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感謝主席跟各位委員對校園危害防制議題的一個關心為防止電子煙進入校園危害師生健康本部透過實施課程教學加強教育宣導提供防制資源強化校園 |
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首先在執行的現況在實施課程教學方面本部已將 |
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危害防制融入十二年國民基本教育課程綱要健康與體育領域不定必修的學習內容進行危害防制教學活動並鼓勵大專院校將危害防制議題融入專業或通識的課程同時辦理教師真人工作方教學觀摩增進教師教學專業以培養學生具備危害防制的基本素養及觀念 |
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2加強教育宣導本部除了將危害防制議題列入健康促進學校計畫的必選或主要的議題推動同時透過經會的補助提供宣導資源等方式積極協助學校辦理各項教育訓練 |
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先導活動、侵屍活動等提升教職員工、學校與機關主管人員、家長及學生對於電子煙防制之能讓全校師生都能遠離危害二、提供防制資源為提供教師多元化的教學應用方式及可應用之教學資源本部研製了各式距離的教材、工作的指引 |
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並整合相關資源、教材、教案或優良成果會編自臺灣健康促進學校網站以及連結衛生福利部、國民健康署等外部資源供學校施生來應用。第4在強化校園管制本部與督導各級學校前面設置明顯禁儀標示並透過跨處式合作以主動 |
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尋查、抽查、欠阻校園違規需疑行為其次請學校訂定校園禁於管理規範將電子煙納入管理禁止教職員工攜帶使用且每學年實地到校輔導督導學校落實危害防制工作令對於 |
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稀疑者積極辦理介於教育提供介於資源與輔導避免其再繼續使用電子煙防止入侵校園本部已含請各級學校與查獲學生攜帶或使用電子煙或發現校園周圍有販售情形時應儘速通報衛生機關查處如懷疑電子煙 |
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應由含有毒品除應至校安中心網站通報外．並應啟動防制學生藥物濫用三局預防策略及加強警政聯繫以防制毒品利用電子煙進入學校危害教職員工身的健康安全 |
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在經濟方面．以發展分離與創新之教學支援．我們持續鼓勵老師發展危害防制分離教材教案．針對不同教育階段．學生發展適當的一個 |
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陰害防制的一個教材教案．辦理創新教學方案的選拔跟獎勵．提高學生學習動機．令收集學校實務上常見問題．以相關宣導資源．並邀請學者專家提出具體做法．滾動修正危害防制工作指引．提供學校具實行 |
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實施多元教育宣導本部將持續督導學校透過教學、衛生教育、介於教育、人員培訓等活動連結校內行政、教學單位、學生社團等單位共同合作並加強應用新媒體進行宣導以支持無陰害校園 |
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3.強化校園管制政策及支持計劃,督導學校制定適當懲處規定,加強巡查及裝置科技監控設備,設立匿名舉報機制,辦理介於服務及提供心理輔導與支持等,以維護師生之健康安全。4.結合社區 |
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家庭及學學資源、加強年節家長會、校園周圍之社區團體、志工、商家及 |
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林里長等社區及家庭資源協助欠儲及查詢工作實現無疑校園、無疑社區及無疑人行道令持續了解各級學校落實校園進一環境維護工作之執行情形與困難以提升危害防制實施輔導效益五、跨部會共同協力合作 |
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本部將邀請相關部會合作加強電子煙之查緝及電子煙廣告之稽查並建構叫警合作安全網絡,減少電子煙進入校園的機會。最後 |
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學校是培養學生建立距離緩於失能態度與行為的重要場所本部將持續推動校園危害防制工作積極強化各級學校防制措施適時學請衛生單位入校稽查 |
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學校、師長與家長、中央與地方、政府與民間通力合作、跨部會、連結查處源頭從家庭、學校到社區共同阻絕遺害營造校園無疑的健康環境、奠定師生健康基礎及提升生活品質以上報告,敬請各位委員指教。謝謝好,謝謝鄭部長的口頭報告 |
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接下來我們有請衛福部國建署賈副署長進行報告報告時間4分鐘 |
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主席、各位委員、女士先生們大家早安衛生福利部國民健康署就今天的電子煙入侵校園危害青少年防制檢討計畫提出專題報告也請各位委員不吝指教我稍微說明一下我們的背景為強化保護我們各階段的兒少健康所以我們煙害防治法已於112年3月22 |
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二號已經修正實施在法裡面的依法第15條第一項第二款規定是任何人不得製造、輸入、販賣、供應或展示或廣告類煙瓶及其組合原件並在第15條第二項規定任何人不得使用類煙瓶這個意思就是全面禁用電子煙的類煙瓶我們期望透過跨部會的合作來避免我們青少年使用我們的電子煙 |
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所以在電子煙入侵校園危害青少年防制策略可以從四個方向來跟委員做說明第一個是強化跨部會的合作首先我們配合教育部的校園煙害防制實施計畫嚴禁教職員生攜帶及使用煙品 |
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電子煙跟加熱煙如果有學生使用電子煙就會轉請我們縣市地方衛生局入校進行查處那另外一個也是配合教育部跟警政單位加強稽查校園周邊違法泛煙的狀況那輔導學校周邊的商家禁止販售煙品給未滿20歲的我們的國人 |
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那我們也委託了這個消基會執行專家實地考核跟委員報告．最近兩次的實地訪查．172間學校．有12間學校發現有淹地．其實它的合格率有92.4．所以我們會繼續跟校園來合作．怎麼樣在我們的校園來做全面無淹校園的推動 |
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在提升青少年危害防制勢能的部分,國民健康署也委託各式素材來提供教育部在進行校園的這些危害防制上作為推廣的教學資源 |
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那這些素材跟更多的素材在我們國民健康署的健康99網站官方網站隨時可以取得期望透過更多的這些素材來幫忙我們青少年危害防制的勢能的提升第三個叫多元的戒煙服務根據國際實證青少年使用這個臨床 |
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臨床接驗用藥還缺更多的實證來支撐所以青少年的接驗需要透過接驗衛教、諮商跟接驗班來幫助他所以我們全國有近3000多家的合約醫事機構可以協助我們的青少年來做接驗那我們也提供了0800 6363的服務專線來幫忙 |
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最後一個是我們的監測跟調查這大家很關心的我們的指煙的吸食率110年的調查結果是從97年的7.8降至110年的2.2那高中職生是96年的14.8降至110年的7.2那但是電子煙的使用在國中生是有107年的1.9%上升到110年的3.9高中職使用電子煙則是從3.4%上升到8.8 |
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以上是供給各委員來做參考我們也期待大院跟各委員會的指導跟監督我們表示我們至高的熱忱也期待跨部會合作跟委員的指導謝謝 |
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就電子煙入侵校園危害青少年防制檢討．代表本部列席報告．並備質詢．除書面報告之外．要口頭報告如下．請各位委員指教 |
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本部就電子煙參入毒品的防制作為在查緝面。第一個,跨境、跨機關合作,建立通報機制,強化校園要求的查緝,避免販毒組織及網絡入侵校園以維護校園的純淨。第二個, |
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深化安基企圖專案落實溯源斷根的目標本部就所屬的臺高前屬統籌六大企圖系統通力合作從斷絕供給抑制需求兩方面壓制毒品的犯罪以防禦電子煙參入新興毒品入侵校園及延伸社會的危害事件第三運用科技辦案掃蕩 |
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網路毒品交易第4強力查緝權力阻斷供應管道第5加強邊境的防堵深化、跨境情資交流而在法制面則修改特定營業場所執行毒品防制措施辦法本辦法將電子遊戲產業及 |
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資訊休閒業納入規範,要求特定營業場所落實毒品防治相關措施及通報的義務。第二,就近期參入電子煙適用延伸社會危害事件的依托密集類毒品嚴厲從三級毒品提升到第二級毒品,而在宣導面獎勵或結合地方政府、民間團體 |
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但以反堵宣導提升民眾藥物濫用及劇毒防堵的資本 |
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持續製作反讀宣導導影片．在各式的透過平台及廣告通路播放．強化反讀宣導的效益整合政府部門反讀的資源．建置本部反讀大本營網站．以本部會持續的則有臺高檢署強力要求各企圖單位加強查緝 |
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另外加強校園及社區宣導與防渡此類新興毒品侵入校園社區維護校園的純淨、國人健康、建立無毒的家園以上報告敬請主席及各位委員指教謝謝好 謝謝郭司長的口頭報告那接下來我們有請財政部關務署陳副署長進行報告報告時間3分鐘 |
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主席各位委員先進大家好我是財政部關務署陳世豐今天貴委員會安排就電子煙侵入校園危害青少年防制檢討進行專案報告 |
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現在就我們本署執掌的一個主要事項報告如下第一個邊境的一個所謂的邊境安全這個部分是海關的一個工作的一個重點海關就運用高科技的這個智慧查緝工具還有我們協同我們邊境的主管機關衛福部這邊的一個同仁還有其他查緝機關積極在邊境來嚴格查緝這個走私的這些電子煙品 |
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那第二就是海關對於這個我們的那個煙害防治法那個施行前後的一個邊境的一個防護的一個管理作為如下第一個煙害防治法施行前海關查獲在這個所謂的這個電子煙油煙彈還有這個如果是含有尼古丁的這個部分的話那個施行前就是是違反那個要事法的一個規定我們海關會依那個要事法82條這邊移送這個 |
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那個地方那個刑事主管機關去做偵辦那如果是這些煙油、煙彈沒有含尼古丁的部分那經過這個地方主管機關為那個國建署這邊認為這個是屬於違反這個《煙害防制法》的一個相關輸入規定的這個物品的話我們海關這邊會議這個《煙害防制法》30條以送地方政府來做裁處 |
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那另外就是對於煙害防治法通過之後海關發現這些煙油、煙彈甚至他的這個所謂必要的這個組元件那不論有沒有含這個所謂尼古丁這些等等這些都是一例移送給我們的這個國建署這邊地方政府來做一個偵辦 |
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那來做處理那如果是說這個電子煙有這個有宣稱治療療效的這個部分的話那我想藥事法這個部分我們是已給這個藥事法的移送然後用那個刑事案件來做一個偵辦 |
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那海關對於這個煙害防治法實施以後查緝的成果大概就是說我們113年10月31號為止總共查獲電子煙這個案件有1230案總共有10萬4千餘隻這個部分我們會繼續加強查緝那另外就是對於測鏡作為方面我們持續來優化我們的一個查緝工具譬如說S光的一個檢查儀 |
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更新陸續更新來投入我們的一個邊境的一個查緝來輔助官員的一個查緝那另外就是說我們的一個風險管理方面我們會加強風險管理的一個分析還有檢討對過去的案例或是高風險的一個這個地方的一個情質等等我們都會做一個鎖定然後來做一個 |
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我們的一個加強查緝,另外就是深化我們的情緒交流,就是跟我們國內外的主管機關,還有這些所謂的我們的邊境這些機關來做合作,作為我們來打擊這個煙瓶。那另外提升官員的一個查緝的一個經驗還有技巧,辦理這些各種教育的講習,或是教育的這個所謂的一個訓練,能夠提升我們的查緝技巧。 |
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那總結這個部分就是根據我們這邊的一個海關的一個邊境查緝不管是我們的情資交流、官員剛剛講的加強風險的管理還有深挖情資合作這些等等我們都會持續來加強來共同防制我們這個走私煙品的好,謝謝陳副處長的口頭報告 |
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我們現在在場的委員已經達三人了我們先來確定我們的議事錄那所以上次的這個議事錄有沒有錯誤或者遺漏之處 |
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好沒有那我們就意思不確定那現在我們開始進行詢答每位出席委員質詢8分鐘必要時延長2分鐘列席委員質詢時間為4分鐘發言登記截止時間為上午10點30分委員如果有臨時提案請於上午10點30分前提出並於本會委員郭育晴質詢結束後 |
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及進行處理．處理提案時．如果提案委員及聯署委員均不在場．原例不予處理首先我們就先請發言登記第一位．侯孟楷委員質詢 |
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主席謝謝,麻煩請剛剛有報告的長官都一起上來好不好好,請剛剛以上我們有做口頭報告的這個各部會官員直接上這個備詢台我想主席在這邊先暫時先宣告一下因為今天那個鄭部長他大概腳傷那有點不舒服如果他待會有個人需求的話可能會有一張被的椅子還是要不要先拿出來吧椅子要不要就先拿出來 |
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有不舒服就坐一下好不好 |
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來 部長 因為教育文化委員會嘛 教育部嘛那本期剛剛聆聽了四個部會的簡報喔大家都講得非常的漂亮喔又是跨部會合作 又是源頭管理 又是加強取締 又是打擊犯罪那我想請教部長 部長你認為現在電子煙的狀況 氾氾濫嚴不嚴重 |
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根據剛才衛福部的統計數字以國中來講從1點幾到3點8、3點9這個數字確實是讓我有一點訝異很訝異是不是你覺得太高還是太低我覺得就國中生來講他確實不管他基於什麼樣的一個動機但是怎麼會去接觸這樣的一個接觸的 |
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電子煙到目前為止我們台灣是規定20歲以下是吸紙煙嘛 對不對那電子煙到目前為止也是不合法嘛 對不對不合法所以說任何人都不能買嘛那部長你知不知道如果所以國中生來講的話要講什麼樣的暗號還是要什麼樣的管道才能夠去購買到電子煙 |
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對不起,這一個我確實是不清楚本席告訴你啊,不需要啊不需要任何的暗號啊不需要任何的管道啊我說我去便利商店要買紫煙國中生要買紫煙便利商店的店員都來看一下身份證啊但是買電子煙一點身份認證都沒有啊來,我們來看一下我就說剛剛上來前我Google啊下一張我們先到最後一張 |
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我Google打電子煙三個字兩個禮拜前我已經在未還委員會講過一次了很多委員也都提過說現在電子煙氾濫的程度是你們沒有辦法想像的結果Google電子煙我還不用打任何關鍵字我不用很聰明我不用打暗語電子煙三個字打了之後第一個搜尋是什麼衛福部下面四個是什麼 |
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全都是電子煙的販賣官網他不是拍賣平台他不是小賣家他不是跟你隱晦他直接做官網給你看來我們再看上幾張看到上面有沒有長鮮、驚喜、滿千送百電子煙可以跟你來做促銷 |
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部長,要不要猜一下現在電子煙有多少口味?國中生嘛,好奇嘛,蠻多嘛對,我們日常生活所有的水果、咖啡各方面的這個飲料的口味大概都有喔,部長你也算了解喔,來我們來看一下葡萄、荔枝、薄荷、哈密瓜、蜜桃、百香果全部應有盡有直接叫你加購物車 |
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部長你再看一下那個價錢喔420塊國中生拿不拿得出來420塊我想現在以一般的家庭一個禮拜的零用錢可能幾百塊應該有他直接可以購買那為什麼我講說沒有身份認證因為這個上這個平台不用任何的身份不用任何的年齡限制他直接搜尋就搜尋得到再下一張免運費 |
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可以說幫你送到72個小時3天的時間今天下訂3點後幫你送到全台灣任何一個便利商店學校附近有沒有便利商店有嗎有所以你們剛剛一直在講說我查緝學校附近的專賣店不用啊我上網之後我送到便利商店最後一張他很貼心啊 |
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告訴你保障隱私所以提供隱秘的包裝服務不會註明內容物跟店家意思是什麼我今天去拿這個貨的時候我只要給錢他就直接給我不會查你的身份證件 |
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如果說源頭不管理源頭如此的泛濫源頭如此的方便取得我今天教育部在一直講說我要給老師我要給第一線的教官我要給老師什麼樣的一個稽查你覺得查得完嗎是的我們把我們的所有責任沒有源頭管理然後我們把所有責任都給第一線的老師老師看到電子煙你要稽查你要取締但是學生有人權又不能收書包 |
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然後結果沒想到這個買賣紫煙、酒類能不能在網路上購買能不能獲到付款不行耶連合法的紫煙跟酒類都不能在網路上獲到付款結果反而非法的電子煙那麼方便部長還有剛剛這幾位我們的長官們你們的每一個報告我都聽了我都看了 |
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說稽查科技執法跨部會結果Google沒有人會用Google嗎大家稽查稽查什麼東西我想請教你們好意思在剛剛20分鐘前每一個人講說你們的報告在稽查結果Google一出來是這樣子的大方精美部長 |
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你剛剛最後講到跨部會合作共同防制所以加強電子煙的查緝跟電子煙廣告的稽查建構較緊合作安全網路減少電子煙進入校園的機會本席 |
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很希望你可以說到做到啊你要怎麼做跟委員報告這就是我進來520以後我事實上跟我們這個部會裡邊所以你從520到現在已經放任他四個多月又再放任他四個多月了我一直希望說校園不管霸凌或者陰害防制一定要整個從社區從包括警政的一個比較生態性的整體陳主委員剛才所提所以部長你覺得這是誰的問題學校的老師他真的力有未待對就是說 |
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部長,學生現在能不能帶手機? |
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是的,是的,可以學生可能他今天正在聽你這樣講的時候他可能他拿出手機來上網然後訂購,三天後就可以在便利商店拿好貨了我們事實上已經跟這些傳播業者、電信業者都已經在合作部長,跟誰在合作我們跟這個電信業者我們已經在談看怎麼樣去防制一些﹐這個問題多久了來我們再到最後一頁 |
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不覺得很諷刺嗎?其實本行...我說實在話台灣現在最大的問題是非法的東西比合法的東西好買不作為是政府官員的怠惰跟台灣最大的悲哀啊因為你不覺得看到這個狀況非常諷刺嗎?搜尋第一個是衛福部衛福部來我們請衛福部今天是副署長啊說實在話 |
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我覺得非常難過是因為我兩個禮拜前直接跟著部長講部長也講說他要處理就過去兩個禮拜沒有耶感覺甚至變本加厲你看到這個情況你不覺得很諷刺嗎就是說我們衛福部的官網居然是跟其他販賣電子煙的擺在一起而且還比你多比你漂亮比你好看比你吸引人 |
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是,所以我看到了這兩天有一個新聞叫做南投衛生局一個學生貼電子煙的圖片罰20萬對不對 |
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是的有嗎有這個新聞一個學生貼一張電子煙的圖片罰20萬結果今天Google隨便查有一堆官網你們連下架能力都沒有 |
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那是誰的問題 誰的問題 |
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他還可以留在然後可以持續這是誰的問題這裡面其實需要看的是境內境外的我們在努力讓境內只要點TW的境內網站全部都封網了那境外網站我們需要來那個法務部還有今天數發部是不是有來來我再請教喔真的大家是覺得說這已經是麻木不仁到氾濫程度到那麼嚴重 |
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我們就講說半年前性私密影像剛出來的時候全國大家都在關心有個論壇可以散發未成年的少年的照片媒體群起激憤報導可能會傷到我們民進黨政府的民調不到一天裡面數發部、衛福部、教育部、相關部會 |
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從你推我我推你到就讓那個官網就沒有辦法連結啦那現在電子煙的問題是不夠嚴重沒有人員傷亡還是因為它不夠有名還是它已經是氾濫到你管都不能管的程度所以說你讓它持續的在這邊我就說了剛剛副署長也承認了嘛兩個禮拜前我在衛環委員會部長也知道啊 |
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很多委員也關心啊我今天開第一炮我講的是我把它直接點出來因為我真的覺得說這樣的一個氾濫的程度背後到底有多少利益利益大到五個部會在這邊沒有一個人敢動他們沒有人敢動欸我都還沒有追查說財政部到底他的貨從哪裡來很多人講說Made in China海關偷渡來的啊 |
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貨倉一個禮拜來一次啊但是今天五個部會站在這邊結果放任這樣的狀況沒有辦法處理沒有辦法負責沒有辦法下架沒有辦法遮蔽持續可以點部長我最後主席站起來了我今天整理真的很多很多質詢想要跟你討論啊但這個問題非常嚴重 |
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我只想請教你今天自己講的第4頁跨部會合作共同防制什麼時候召開會議來討論要把這樣的問題給解決 |
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委員報告事實上卓院長在下個禮拜一也會有一個治安的一個彙報所以要推給卓院長部長你針對問題好不好你要推給卓院長我的意思是說我們本來內部就有一些然後我也跟事實上劉部長也提到說我們怎麼樣共同來建置一個像警務現在有一個APP的一個這樣一個APP它就可以用來防制校園的洗桌霸凌或者陰害防制的通報 |
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部長你到底知不知道我現在的問題是什麼?我跟你談Google搜尋隨便搜尋的到你跟我講警務App真的很麻木欸我說這樣子真的很麻木如果說我們連最基本的源頭管理都沒有防制的話那這樣子我們怎麼樣能夠阻止說電子煙進入到校園 |
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連校園的老師的責任都沒有辦法部長幫他們負責部長如果你要繼續講我就給紅委員再一次10分鐘你OK了嗎? |
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最後一句話在臺灣非法的東西比合法的東西好買這是官員的怠惰跟不作為是我們國家最大的問題跟悲哀 |
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接下来有請柯志恩委員質詢 |
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好 謝謝部長那我想我們今天會聚焦來這個地方來部長你認為電子煙或加熱煙在我們校園的問題嚴不嚴重 |
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目前看起來在各年年齡階段裏邊國中是增加的 |
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7.9萬青少年使用今年有多少?教育部有沒有掌握? |
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7.9萬使用電子煙 超過1.6萬使用加熱煙 |
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這都是黑數合計9.5萬青少年使用新興煙品這是黑數我還是要強調光是黑數兩年前就這麼多你更不要說現在到底有多少這就是為什麼今天我們的召委特別排長的一個議題因為是非常非常的嚴重我們問個最基本的問題好了 |
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財政部長 |
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校規怎麼處理兩大過留下查看還是如何剛剛衛福部裡面也特別提到啊你會如果說你有發現有被檢舉的話你可以責成你們這邊的資料裡面寫出來如果發現使用電子煙轉請縣市地方衛生局查處並且配合警政單位加強來對於學校周邊商品我請問在校園裡面書包裡面萬一可以搜到電子煙的話它的校規處理是什麼 |
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你怎麼查處還有我要問查處了多少屆我告訴部長昨天就有一個家長非常生氣告訴我們他的女兒為什麼別人買的網路上買的這個電子煙之後加價賣給他還告訴大家大家可以一起來買大家可以一起來抽女兒買到的是加價後的420塊加個100塊賣他520塊到處賣你怎麼辦 |
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部長我只問個最單純的問題學生在校內發生這條問題的話他的校規是存儲什麼樣的成分基礎點在哪裡部長你回答我這麼簡單問題就好學校問題就好了以學校的一個校規來講他違反持有持有違反他違反校規是要記過處分的記過對就是我說嘛最重可以記到什麼程度 |
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我們更重要的是對學生有吸食電子煙這裡邊怎麼樣去提供他這個行為上的一些輔導跟規範這個改善 |
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Diction成癮的這個問題輔導這都是教育部官方我們很知道這個問題非常的嚴重我也同意源頭不管你的話又把學校丟給學校然後學校的老師你認為他敢搜書包嗎搜比不搜 |
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更麻煩所以你到底可不可以給我們一個行為準則讓我們這些老師有個依據你剛剛講的萬一發現也不過就是記過學生不會怕、不會怕啦然後呢衛福部告訴我說你們就會責成地方單位來查處到底查處的多少屆不要講這些東西問題是沒有解決你部長你試圖要跟洪孟凱委員解釋很多你做的什麼數據告訴你沒有用 |
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然後這都是家中學校說我只問你到底可以給老師什麼樣的行為準則來做依據不要讓老師限於他要不要來懲處你像目前為止也就不過是記過的處分而已嘛不是嗎 |
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對學生的行為確實是記過但是我們更重要的是他行為的一個改變跟改善你行為那麼容易改變的話就就就就好了這一個來源源頭我們會這一個源頭對好的部長可以那沒關係你的源頭到底怎麼來處理我們是不是在請法務部跟其他數發部過來這是我們所看到的網路賣電子煙到底是哪個部會管誰可以告訴我網路電子煙是哪個部會管的哪一個部會管這件事哪一個部會 |
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法務部來告訴我這是你們管的嗎電子煙管理是衛福部衛福部這是你們管的嗎電子煙是我管的面臨這麼多問題在網路上這麼多問題電子煙是你管所以我等一下問你成分問題這麼多網路的部分是你管嗎 |
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報告委員只要它是跟電子煙有關的就是我管 |
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包括在網路上散佈的部分所以我們現在是積極的在加強網路的查緝從去年到現在我們大概有三萬五千多件對網路的搜尋我告訴你你們現在目前為止所搜尋的結果怎麼樣來我們看後面目前為止明朗滿目衛福部法務部你說都是跨部會但是衛福部為主責但是我們再往下過來看 |
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我們只能從網路的部分網路平台去找到犯淹者 |
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有查到犯煙者是誰目前犯煙者在網路上開我們賣那個採儲那個賣煙的人是115件115件來我告訴你來我們來看一下採儲的部分一年多來檢舉裡面就有50萬件大街小巷都可以看到電子煙 |
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50萬件都是民眾檢舉但是開罰率有多低?非常非常的低到底開罰率有多低?現在開罰的件數到10月底是1370件0.24%0.24% |
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報告委員電子煙的這個煙害防制它的這個裁法需要經過一些行政程序所以我們在10月30號跟縣市高溝通要求加強裁法的速度跟力道 |
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這已經非常久了,我不忍苛責你,因為我知道你們的人力各方面都不夠,需要跨部會,我完全同意,但是你把電子煙攬在你們衛福部的這個部分裡面,cover率又這麼低,所以為什麼今天大家這麼生氣,你們講了很多,但是數據會說話,數據會說話,現在所有的家長都那麼擔心,特別是我要問一下,部長你現在可以暫時先請回座一下。 |
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然後呢 你看0.24的開罰率沒人在怕啦然後我們再往下來看加味煙為什麼我今天要特別提到今天大家很多人有提到加味煙你們當時候上一任的人大家認為加味煙應該是全面來做一個禁止的但是呢 你們現在只是怎麼樣有27種成分你們禁止然後呢 你們有4種口約你們也禁止 |
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但是呢對於煙潮口味以外你們都是禁止但是呢對不起目前氾濫還是非常非常的嚴重我們再往下來看一個對於這個部分裡面啊說它是全面應該禁止的可是讓現在目前有很多的家長認為你們還是有開一點點小門因為目前為止你們只禁止了27種的成分但是現在夯不浪蕩加在一起有1200多種你們要你們要花多少時間才可以把這些成分一一一把 |
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我跟委員報告這27種的加味煙目前是完成預告的程序現在已經超過這個比數了全世界大概有1200種吧但是我們禁用的這27種大概cover 74%所有的煙瓶所以我們會繼續滾動式的增加我告訴你現在包括口味什麼你哈默的價錢已經超過1200種 |
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加味煙確實需要積極的去處理目前我們是完成預告緊接著我們就會開會是不是一定是27種 |
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你們永遠趕不上現在所有煙傷所多我剛剛說現在目前為止已經有1200個不同的成分不同的口味的一個組合已經不是27種這樣的一個成分可以了你現在抽取27種 |
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趕不上這樣的一個速度這是我們最擔心的問題所以衛福部目前真正的問題是什麼你們如果需要人力的話我也贊同啊剛剛部長講的你要找卓院長你找卓院長把所有的木粉全部給他開出來嘛需要什麼樣的人力需要什麼你們很顯然目前的跨部會是沒有辦法達到這樣的一個成果的嘛不是嗎 |
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完全沒有辦法光是在校園裡面就只能直記過然後呢老師又還要人家檢舉然後呢又沒有人敢進入校園這個問題就是無解而且最重要的是體積非常的小攜帶非常的方便所以目前為止到這個地方我真的奉勸因為我才是第二個質詢我相信往後有所有的委員都會質詢這個問題你們真的應該好好來給一個公開的一個說法更積極性的做法否則我保證一路到底 |
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時間到了 謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝柯志恩委員 |
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好 我們現在請萬美玲委員好 謝謝主席我們有請今天有來的各部會我想都請一個今天的代表好 那我們就請教育部、衛福部、法務部、數位發展部、警政署警政署好 謝謝都上來了嗎 |
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黃毓民議員 |
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兩個禮拜前我們在衛福部才討論過這個問題兩個禮拜我們沒有看到在這個衛福委員會所提出來的這些問題點這些質疑點在這兩個禮拜當中在我們各部會有什麼樣進一步的去處理或解決所以也就是說委員會如果每一次開會完了以後我們還是原地踏步請問一下不管今天質詢也好拍專報也好意義在哪裡那今天我想 |
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特別來在這個我們教育部這裡也要讓部長去除了闡述一下您所遇到的困難我們各部會、跨部會到底應該要怎麼做這是今天最重要的議題我想部長剛剛特別有在聽到您的這個口頭報告當中您有提到說在校園的部分呢您如果查獲學生攜帶如果查獲學生攜帶你就會轉這個衛生單位 |
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那這個源頭呢聽起來好像在學校裡面你又說了如果查獲會給適當的這個處置那剛剛我聽這個柯州委員在質詢的時候您也沒有說出來現在到底要怎麼查怎麼罰那難道源頭就是學校責任都是老師嗎部長簡要的回答一下我想我確實 |
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謝謝委員關心學校的整個一個學習更友善的一個校園環境更安全的校園環境他確實以我們現在的一個生態來講老師他的一個專業在一個教學的專業但是我們又希望青少年學童有一個更好的一個成長發展的空間那外面的許多的這些誘因確實也很大所以我才會一直希望說所以嘛部長請問一下嘛我現在請教您嘛老師怎麼查 |
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老師基本上我們就會從過去在校園裡邊有學生有抽煙或者有一些異常的一些行為你的意思是說我們先做一個調查表問問看大家有沒有抽煙然後針對有抽煙的人我們再來查所以我請教您一下老師該怎麼查老師基本上是從他日常教學裡邊去觀察到學生的一個行為所以老師就是用觀察的對嗎 |
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譬如說我們有一些除了這個教室的觀察當然還有一些廁所或者學校有一些好在不同的地方我們來進行觀察是這樣嗎可能譬如說有一些他就會有一些丟棄煙蒂啊或者一些茶餐的一些不同部長我想喔其實喔我們要面對這個問題啦我就問您啦老師在去查這個電子煙的時候你覺得他有這個權力有這個能力嗎有沒有 |
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在校園裡面查到有電子煙的就你知道有多少件在今年這一整年當中 |
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目前有38件有通報的總共就從校園裡面查到老師查出來有38件是這樣嗎好 我們來看一下喔我們你剛剛說查到有38件喔但是呢根據衛福部今天的資料看起來喔我們就講喔這個三年前的舊資料啦三年前的舊資料電子煙啦喔電子煙大概有7萬9千人有7萬9千人有這個吸食杯查緝喔7萬9這是舊資料喔 |
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我相信黑書恐怕是這個好幾倍喔你看我們在校園查38件這是成比例嗎這是一個喔我想 我就 我質詢如果是各部會的可以來自己答喔那麼這個剛剛講到是舊資料但我今天在這邊還要特別講一件事 |
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現在加熱煙是中央主管機關公告的指定煙品不管是輸入製造等等都要經過健康風險評估我請教衛福部現在加熱煙的部分我們有沒有哪一件來申請而且是通過審查 |
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沒有對但是事實上加熱煙也要氾濫所以今天本席要在這裡也講清楚加熱煙目前為止也都是違法的好那我們來看電子煙加熱煙加起來我們青少年啊將近10萬人就是舊資料3年前的舊資料將近10萬人去碰觸稀釋啊所以喔現在的資料 |
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拿出來看我相信會讓所有的師長更痛心啦但我們校園查緝38件為什麼有困難嘛怎麼查你把這樣的責任丟給老師我跟你講這些老師這個是不可承受之重所以今天校園裡面發生這樣的事情電子煙的氾濫有的在校園裡面有的在校園周邊那誰的責任 |
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主管機關是衛福部 |
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我問一下部長以及大家這個什麼叫電子維他命棒啊部長 什麼叫電子維他命棒來 以上都有知道什麼叫電子維他命棒的舉手好 那什麼叫蒸汽果汁 |
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知道的舉手來 威伯伯告訴我什麼叫蒸汽果汁因為電子煙本身就是它的煙彈本身所以電子煙的一種嘛 是不是電子煙的一種嘛可見喔 我今天要講啦大家都說在查緝 大家都說要防制啦可是呢 我必須要說啦有一些人 |
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傻傻的連電子煙加熱煙第一個還分不清楚法律的規範還不了解那麼有時候看到了學校老師看到甚至於還不知道那些電子煙部長有沒有這種可能 |
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當然是存在的如果你一看到你知道嗎跟委員報告確實是這幾天部長如果啦你從孩子書包看到一樣東西其實它是電子煙可是它有不同的這個表現的狀態你能夠辨識出來那個就是電子煙嗎目前目前我手邊的資料確實如果按圖來比照我是可以的 |
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暗圖來比較是可以食品拿來你可以嗎我目前沒有接受到食品所以我想部長這個我要講今天就是說雖然我們今天在教育部裡面排這個我們要知道打擊電子煙非法的這個不可法這些電子煙以及我們要維護我們青少年的健康我們都知道電子煙真的可以造成這個青少年不管他將來去吸食煙或者是很多的危害我們都很清楚了但是大家跨部會怎麼做嗎 |
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對不對 這才是重點啊所以我想今天關務署也在現場 關務署啊 沒上來啊市長 積極一點好不好積極一點好不好我想這幾年我們看到海關在查緝這個電子煙110年的時候有12.7萬隻但113年有4.2萬那我想請教一下這是查緝有成還是什麼原因 為什麼會下降 |
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報告委員 這個部分大概我們有分析過為什麼就是說 講重點第一個 這個大部分電子煙來源地大概都是中國大陸那邊比較多那中國大陸近年來也都積極對這個電子煙加強他們的一個管理措施所以說這個部分可能電子煙進到台灣來這個部分所以你現在的意思是說我們查緝有成是因為對岸管理的好 |
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他因為就是說電子煙這個部分跟我們剛剛講的那個加熱煙這個部分可能有互相取代的關係我想這樣子講今天我們在這個境外的部分加強去查緝這當然是非常重要的一個重點不過我想一樣回到這個衛福部來看你看衛福部自己的國建署統計的資料今年的1月到10月我們查獲非法使用154件對嗎?國建署 |
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今年的1月到10月您的資料154件但是我們看到光舊資料這新時的少年就高達了將近8萬人這是舊資料現在搞不好超過10萬但你看你查到的只能有154件剛剛校園裡面只有38件這多麼可怕的一件事情所以今天大家的口頭報告簡直就是浪費大家的時間講來講去都在講查緝防制結果是什麼過去做不好 |
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上次未還委員會兩個禮拜開完會以後到現在網路上一樣看到啊對但是我要跟委員說明兩個禮拜前的未還委員會之後我們做了相當多的事情包括跟縣市合作剛才部長提到的是38件是他們的統計我跟委員報告這一個禮拜不到兩個禮拜的時間我們的縣市查處 |
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包括跟警政合作跟校園合作大概有1000件以上但是因為他那個真正採儲的量數還在統計是不是容我一個禮拜內提供採儲的具體的資料給您所以呢意思是說校園裡面查處38件但是我們各方這個合力查處有超過1000件 |
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在校園周邊跟警政署合作的部分所以我一個禮拜內會把這些統計的資料交給你我想當然我們這個38件跟1000件我們感覺好像成績更好一點點但是呢我們來看稀釋的人口超過10萬的青少年我想這個成績還是慘不忍睹啊所以呢我想今天在這裡本席等一下也是有這個臨時提案我們希望我們要這個衛福部主責 |
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那但是呢 我們跨部會是不是要有一個這個激查防制的平台上次在外防委員會結束之後你們沒有做那現在本期要具體要求你們到底的這個橫向的聯繫那大家的合作怎麼做嘛從境外的這個查緝這個境內的不管是警政署、衛福部再來數發部在哪裡 |
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蘇發布就是更誇張了蘇發布難道都不會上網去看一下嗎這都跟你們沒有關係嗎不然蘇發布平常在幹嘛蘇發布都在做什麼這麼嚴重的事情對不對危害下一代的這個健康而且這是完全違法的你蘇發布都視而不見嗎 |
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報告委員 針對這個淹害的部分的話基本上全職單位是衛福部那我們協助了一些事情比如說像我們希望他能夠藉行用平台的方式通知那個相關平台業者能夠向下而且我們建立了所謂的Meta Google這種大型平台的綠色通道也可以協助衛福部那另外在提到所以數位發布你現在的想法就是說你是協助衛福部嘛 對不對報告委員 因為基本上警政署 |
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你也是協助衛福部是不是各位很報告你也協助衛福部嗎這部份當然是大家要兩個部門都要跨機關來合作所以你會不會主動出擊那基本上我想我們針對電子煙部我們還是在主軸還是在他有毒品的部份來做一個專責的查緝啦是所以呢如果你不知道他有沒有毒品你就不查緝是這樣子講法嗎 |
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今天在教育部排定但是我覺得如果我們把所有的茶器通通放在校園當源頭我們把所有的責任都給老師我跟你講 將來很多人已經不想再當老師了 |
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謝謝委員 |
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委員好 |
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部長我想今天真的很感謝我們的召委安排這樣的議題我想所有的官員也應該都是把我們的學員、學童都當成我們自己的孩子在關照但是近期真的有很多事件是需要我們關心首先本席昨天接獲家長陳情與一名涉案的未成年兒少性猥褻前科的人士違法入境來台那移民署接獲了這個AIT的通知緊急發函 |
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那這個據網傳的一個公文那當然密件公文是不要外傳的但是就網路又開始傳出去了那11月24號的時候教育部好像有發函說要請各級學校補習班要來清查 |
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是不是曾經聘任或運用該名人是這個字還用得很特別聘任或運用請教一下部長目前全國各級學校補習班是不是已經清查完畢有沒有縣市教育局清查的結果還有學校補習班的回報有沒有性侵性猥褻前科的外籍人士被聘用的記錄 |
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跟委員報告這個我們確實有發這個通知要他們提醒我們所有的學校提醒很棒有沒有完成清查這是 |
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報告委員因為外籍人士要聘用進來的話必須要提供那個類似良民證這樣的一個申請對啊我們知道啊所以為什麼需要發這個東西呢你們應該知道沒有啊你為什麼還要發但是我們還是會去提醒所以說是通知提醒各位所以就不用清查嗎那現在清查結果通知完了清查結果回來了沒啊因為你們也覺得可能有漏洞有黑數嘛 |
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發委員因為是通知那因為是在系統上在申請的時候就會擋掉那有些是因為部分縣市政府他們比較擔心自己會進行清查那所以到底我們能不能確保他沒有被運用沒有被聘任教育部能不能在此確保不行嘛從機制上是應該會擋掉因為他不應該去違法聘任那能不能確保嘛對嘛你不能嘛那有沒有什麼時候會完成清查有沒有訂一個deadline |
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如果委員覺得我們需要我們也可以請各縣市政府來清查但是只是說會不會每一次因為有一位進來然後我們就每次都起到各縣市政府現在這一位因為有這個密件的這個問題家長非常憂心那是不是三日內可以協助我覺得不是把這個責任就丟到地方那教育部是不是已經清查過內部沒有這個聘用紀錄了你們自己內部清查過了嗎 |
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警察完了嗎我們是系統上面是沒有沒有這個人對所以你們自己已經完成自己的清查是不是縣市政府聘任的原因是在縣市政府聘任所以如果有需要必須要請縣市政府來協助好這個還是希望你們三日內要確認他是不是有受雇於任何學校或補習班我覺得從你們內部的資料去確認當然外部的有回顧有交出資料的你們就進行統整好不好三日內部長可不可以允諾 |
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謝謝委員關心我想這是沒有問題因為我們從系統從地方大家合作再進一步的確認你提到系統兩個字我覺得未來這樣的事件我覺得這次要稍微檢討一下就是說未來有沒有一個更快速的清查機制這個我們未來再來討論接下來我們討論今天電子煙的這個議題 |
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部長我想這個校園電子煙犯案的議題很多一線教師家長都非常擔心煙害防治法明令禁止電子煙已經一年多了但是呢電子煙顯然沒有絕跡甚至還有昨天媒體報導一名未前年高中生在IG上面貼了一張圖片然後說你要什麼牌子口味的文字呢就被認定有販售意圖被開罰20萬 |
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那當然如果他確定有這樣的意圖他甚至有這樣的行為當然不應該要開罰但是也許會不會有一些年輕人搞不清楚這個玩笑的界線等等我想確認一下這個教育部有沒有這個掌握20歲以下因為這些不理解還是亂搞誤觸了這個法網有沒有相關的人員數額金額被罰款多少有沒有這樣的一個掌握啊 |
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這未成年啊他這個搞不清楚狀況啊我同意委員剛才所提的確實有一些青少年他自己同才就是開玩笑對有那有沒有掌握20歲以下處罰人數這個部分我們確實目前是我沒有沒有這個資料掌握一下一週內提出好不好因為我覺得學生在成長當中啦教育部的責任就是要協助他們成長那所以我們應該要掌握他們的這個狀況可以嗎一週內提出20歲以下好 |
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教育部長鄭英耀、衛生福利部長鄭英耀、衛生福利部長鄭英耀、衛生福利部長鄭英耀、衛生福利部長鄭英耀、衛生福利部長 |
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說自己有吸食電子煙,你知道這個比例嗎?我們都知道人數啦,8萬人10萬人,你知道是多少嗎?比例是多少嗎?大概,跟委員報告,校園內裡邊確實我們學生是比較少的110年就是8.8%了,今年很可能就已經破10%了,照這樣計算起來,10個人可能有1個人 |
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如果我數字有錯可以更正好不好因為後面有人搖了歪了一下頭但是大家要掌握這件事不要看這八萬十萬你可能不理解這件事情的嚴重性那為什麼會發生這個你說這個外面有八八十八八萬十萬只有38件 |
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這個當然我還是要非常感謝第一線教育人員有警覺心而不是零件嘛他們還是找到一些但是這很顯然是通報機制的問題我想請教一下部長今天可不可以允諾啦因為其實呢使用電子煙並不是明定的校安通報項目這個通報稽查的這個整個過程也非常模糊不清楚我想請問一下部長今天可不可以當場允諾對高中以下的校園吸煙的案件包含使用電子煙的案件 |
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無論是透過現有的校安機制或其他方式可不可以明定一個明確的處理機制通報流程SOP畢竟教育現場的通報是不是能夠啟動後續轉弦機制通報是最重要的關鍵這個可不可以允諾啊不然我們弦線的人員家長搞不清楚啊 |
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跟委員報告我們確實在許多校園的一些陰害或者相關的一些暴力的一個是有SOP的那這個有沒有我們現在是電子煙專報電子煙這個部分我想我們都是在陰害防制裡面的一個系統有沒有通報稽查的流程那是不是校安通報的項目 |
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就是校園當然也都是屬於煙害防制裡面的一個項目第10我在這裡問喔雖然我們國會改革法案這個遇到一些挑戰喔我們還是不我們是不認為官員可以說謊的使用電子煙到底是不是明定的校安通報項目我講這句話的時候你們後面的同仁是搖頭說不是你剛剛跟我說是到底是還是不是差了21002100倍的數字 |
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是跟委員報告目前通報的部分是針對學生的人身安全的部分對嘛所以沒有電子煙部長所以這塊可不可以允諾 |
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要有完整通報機制可以嗎回去好的我想他既然是法令上禁止的對嘛要有嘛謝謝啦我們要灌注學員再來速發部麻煩剛剛你們的報告還有今天專報內容都有提到您剛剛也很就是很榮幸的也很用心的啦說你們會跟Meta Google大型平台去建立這些相關的準則規範那結果勒現在 |
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在搜尋引擎上面你隨便打電子煙販售的網站一搜一大把啦齁各種品牌各種口味各種廣告的標語不曉得副署長您自己有沒有上網搜尋看看這就是你們所謂源頭主角的成效嗎到底這些商家有沒有把國家的法規放在眼裡這是怎麼回事你們有沒有通報機制你們到底怎麼跟這些業者平台來配合 |
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報告委員,針對這個有關我們跟Google他們協助的部分其實我們是協助這個就是衛福部這邊然後我們有綠色通道的部分就是說各部會它其實基本上它只要有法源的部分我們這邊都會幫忙那如果沒有法源的部分我們其實就是幫忙協助電子煙有法源嗎? |
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有嘛,後面,對嗎?我們今天整個活動都是在講有法源他要被禁止,結果禁止的不好嘛?境外的部分目前沒有法源我現在講的,喔,您說他把網站,欸我們今天找到一個問題喔,所以您現在,那您要,您都有確定這些主機都在國外嗎?我待會回去就稽查喔,那在國內的你們要不要處理? |
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主機在國內要不要處理?要不要配合?而且你剛剛的意思是說你們跟衛福部配合嗎?你們只是幫忙衛福部聯繫MetaGoogle,是這樣嗎?這就是你們能做的嗎?報告委員,我們還有另外做一件事,就是有關點TW域名的部分我們也做了處理那經過衛福部查,查總會有一百...所以是用域名來算境外,還是用主機?基本上...副署長,這個您是專家,您要了解喔,搞清楚喔 |
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難道域名是TW主機就在台灣嗎?不見得 但是因為點TW域名可以在台灣可以由TW來處理我這 副市長您能不能針對現在這個狀況一週之內提出一個現在的你們的這個現在查緝的方式跟衛福部配合的方式啊?報告委員副市長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
不好意思我是副署長這是我們部裡的司長我臉忙抱歉因為就是域名的部分是我們部裡面在處理那我們就是署裡面的部分我們協助的部分是針對就是說跟Google他們就是說打聲招呼 |
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其實有時候打招呼也是不容易的還有我們有幫忙的部分是那個C2C的那些業者然後我們也是會督促他們副組長我理解我相信你用心良苦但是我提醒您 |
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谷歌公司的董事總經理目前是賴清德總統府轄下的委員會的其中一位委員喔所以你們各個部會不要再用聯絡這些廠商打招呼都很困難這種方式來回應但我了解你很用心這個回去處理一下因為這還不是唯一一個年輕人遇到的問題我都不放這些廣告放這些廣告是違法這也不是廣告 |
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這就是年輕人會遇到在網路上看到的東西再來還有更離譜的是當然教育部有這個AI的準則我們年輕人也很會用AI但是結果啦現在在這些AI的平台上面你竟然只要問一個問題AI幫你整理出所有的電子煙的網站啦這樣子的一個狀況請教一下教育部、衛福部、數發部跟法務部的官員到底哪一個部會來主責啊AI幫他推薦電子煙哪一個部會主責 |
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我本來說主席謝謝時間暫停但已經停了對不起再給我一點時間所以教育部長站出來了 |
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教育部長鄭英耀、衛生福利部長鄭英耀、衛生福利部長鄭英耀、衛生福利部長鄭英耀、衛生福利部長鄭英耀、衛生福利部長鄭英耀、衛生福利部長鄭英耀、衛生福利部長 |
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各部會的代表是不是可以承諾啊協同教育部去建立一個緊密的校園厭害防治的機制包含介治後續的通路剛剛其實有 委員有提到啦這個現在是誰主責就厭害跟委員報告厭害防治當然目前是衛福部但我想包含剛才委員所關心的 |
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所關心的這個電子煙因為我們有毒品一定要通報所以我們會把這個納入SOP的通報後續研議情形這個跨部會的機制希望一個月內可以書面回覆我們好不好那我還有一個緊急的狀況緊急事態要提醒教育部長還有速發部長其他單位同仁可以回去那各位再30秒好不好 |
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好 我們現在看到一個很嚴重的問題啦速發部通茶網有個案外案出現了就是我們這一次發現速發部的這個通茶網不小心變成詐騙集團的廣告平台變成關鍵字的累積但是我們現在發現各級大專院校包含私立跟國立都變成了詐騙集團連結的跳板 |
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你隨便一搜一大堆的學校我不想唸出來待會你們自己回去搜尋我們連結都會附上這些東西點下去呢直接跳過去就會變成什麼變成詐騙集團的我不想唸出來啦超差部署社團啦 |
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直接都是從校園裡面連過去全部的東西都是配息、高配息連高雄市教育局都進去了國立大學到今天連台灣大學都進去了這是速發部的這個通查網的一個案外案部長我們現在這種寄生上流2.0詐騙集團的連結寄生到不只是我們的速發部的連結連大專院校 |
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謝謝主席緊急事態大家一起來幫忙謝謝 |
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好 謝謝葛如君委員等一下我們在陳佩玉委員質詢完畢以後我們休息五分鐘那現在我們有請張雅琳委員質詢謝謝主席 我們有請部長好 有請鄭部長委員好 |
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部長好,因為其實剛剛葛委員他也有去關心這個有關於美國通知我們有個性犯罪前科的美國籍人士的這個事件嘛那我剛剛有聽到部長說目前已經清查完畢了嘛所以是指說全台灣各縣市的教育局都已經清查完畢包含了學校、幼兒園、補習班、課後照顧中心全部清查完畢了嗎? |
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跟委員報告我們系統上是沒有所以這個因為他要任用有一定的規範然後包含良民證所以系統上他是沒有這個人的名字但是我們也邀請這一個要求這個各地方政府現在全面在清查 |
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6518 |
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所以現在是各縣市政府還在清查中嗎?是所以因為這個議題其實是一些教長會長告訴我的啦所以大家非常關心這個題目所以我希望因為其實我記得一個臨時提案我希望教育部今天下午5點之前可以去公佈我們現在清查的一個進度好嗎?讓大家知道各縣市現在的狀態 |
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可以嗎?是不是可以因為他各地方政府在清查需要一些時間是不是在明天下午明天下午前好明天下午前那我們知道各縣市是不是已經有查到幼兒園小學、國中、高中對還有這些補習班、課後照顧包含除了教室之外還有一些可能除工、清潔員等等的沒錯我想我們會列入重點 |
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這部分真的要拜託部長一定要來詳盡的為我們所有的家長為我們所有的小孩來努力然後最後我也想要再請教部長我們是不是還有什麼方法可以更積極的來做呢例如我們是不是可以更加強的去宣導一定要聘用有工作簽證的人才可以部長那是我們首要的目的首要的目標 |
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這個部分請加強宣導拜託拜託拜託部長那接下來就是我們要來談一下有關於今天的主題就是有關於電子煙的部分那待會請國健副署長可不可以也一起上來謝謝 |
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6588.279 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
6609.537 |
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根據世界衛生組織在2008年的報告指出即使並沒有任何的科學證據電子煙能有效幫忙戒煙其實在2019年WHO的全球煙潮報告也已經明確指出電子煙是對健康有傷害的2004年的報告發現在歐洲、中亞及加拿大15歲青少年有25%曾經抽煙30%曾經使用過電子煙 |
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20%在過去30天內使用過電子煙所以我想這個數據清楚的告訴我們電子煙對全球所有的青少年是有非常嚴重的危害也是公共衛生非常重要的一環那我想請問部長您知道根據衛福部的調查目前大概有多少名的青少年正在使用這個電子煙嗎有多少人使用過電子煙 |
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我所了解按比例來看國中大概有1萬9千人左右那其他的比例對不起我忘掉了好沒關係我跟部長講一下好了啦我們使用率從104年的1.9%現在已經達到了這個3.9%整體來說看那條黑色線那高中職的部分呢也已經來到了8.8%怎麼跳掉了 |
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也來到了8.8那2021年的實際數字就是7.9萬人其實我們的數字也是一直不停的在上升非常的可觀那部長我相信您也知道就是說您肯定會對我們的青少年帶來嚴重的危害包含這個成癮性的問題啊青少年的大腦發展甚至也有可能會造成潛在的癌症甚至是肺部的一個疾病 |
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那這邊再跟部長分享一份報告就是說韓國就是他們有一份研究報告是在 |
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指出有3萬名的高中生使用電子煙罹患氣喘的人是不曾使用電子煙的兩倍以上所以電子煙可能也是一個嚴重的影響氣喘的一個重要因子但是就像剛剛葛委員其實有提到我們明明是禁止販售電子煙的而是大家只要拿出你的手機Google一查這就是頁面 |
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就是有這麼多的違法的廣告衝刺在我們的網路上面讓我們的小孩可以輕易的取得所以我請教副署長我們現在其實有做查緝嘛 對不對 |
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6773.61 |
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那我看的資料2024年我們衛生局網路稽查的商品件次跟實體稽查的電次、電價次高達279,521次這是今年的對今年的沒錯但是呢裁罰的件數也就是指違法行徑已經完成行政程序並且開提處分數的喔只有637件我想了解一下這個原因是什麼為什麼落差這麼大 |
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跟委員報告這個52萬次的稽查次數、裁罰次數其實有包括了違反第15條中勘載、販售、使用等等我們目前截至10月30號為止我們的裁罰件數是1370件 |
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這是從去年的3月22號到今年的10月30號那裁罰的金額到目前是9千萬不過因為現在的社會氛圍讓我們必須要更加緊我們的裁罰力道跟裁罰的速度所以跟委員報告我們大概在10月30號有邀集各縣市 |
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| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
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致力溝通怎麼進行加速採取的速度與力道至於網路的部分違法案件數大概有3萬多目前都正在積極進行採取具體採取的件數到10月30日是74件金額是3290萬 |
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| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
因為剛才有這麼多委員在提醒所以我們會再跟教育部跟相關的部會來溝通怎麼樣在這件事情上做到更好的一些指責跟效果 |
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我想具體的了解因為之前是有回到說我們的煙害防制組組長羅素英組長他是有講卡在行政程序就算我們今天邀集的各個部會我們邀集的地方縣市政府一起來會不會最後又卡在行政程序呢我們正在解套這個行政程序這個行政程序到底原因是什麼因為他需要約談然後需要做一些遞送的一些責任所以我們在建立一個更快速的SOP讓這個約談的速度加快 |
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| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
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那這大概預計什麼時候會完成呢?我們一個月內給委員做報告好 謝謝那再來就是說因為其實我們民間也有反應希望可以編列更多的預算還有更多的稽查人力所以我想了解目前的一個進度是什麼?我們每一年給縣市的稽查人力的逐年都在上升以112年跟113年今年為例我們大概多了2500萬那明年114年如果預算能夠順利通過我們會多4000多萬給地方來做查處的動作 |
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6939.978 |
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那人力的部分 含在裡面也含在裡面那這樣看起來跟總預算非常有關係那總預算跟我們的孩子的健康也息息相關啦所以還是希望就是在野黨的委員們可以一起來支持我們的總預算讓他可以儘速通關那再來就是說最後一個部分也想要請教一下部長跟副署長就是說針對我們目前這個新型態的煙品防制之前有說我們會做更多的宣導 |
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那我想了解就是說目前的宣導的一個方案是不是有請我們的兒少相關的委員一起來討論呢有沒有這部分有沒有做我們的宣導包括是幼兒跟國小跟國中都有相關的這個專家來那上到國中之後會有兒少代表進來上到國中之後會有兒少代表就是國中的這個宣導素材兒少代表會進來那幼兒的部分會有家長以及相關的幼兒專職教師會過來媽媽 |
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6969.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
6985.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
好那我想問一下那教育部的部分呢在校園的宣導跟委員報告我們在課程教材教學這方面事實上會按照這個不同的這一些年齡教育程度裡邊分別有一些鼓勵老師發展許多的這些宣導的一些教材跟課程 |
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| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
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所以我們內部再來檢討 |
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| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
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我希望就是說我們要確實的檢討啦不然我們用同樣過去的那個模式持續的進行我想我們人數還是會持續上升這個宣導等於有跟沒有是一樣的所以我要求因為我知道教育部也有兒少的代表好不好我們接下來我們應該會有新的宣導資料嘛對不對我想宣導資料我們一定會精進的邀請兒少專家一起進來來研商但是還真的是在源頭裡邊的一個阻斷我想那是一個非常重要的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
我想我認同啦我們剛剛在做非常多的討論更專業的一個教學的一個工作我想因為青少年他們為什麼會抽電子煙常常都是因為同儕關係啦同儕的一些流行所以我們必須要讓他清楚的知道那個後果到底是什麼如果他不知道這個後果會對他的健康造成嚴重的影響的時候 |
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| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
他可能就會覺得啊好玩嘛很帥啊很酷啊我們試試看沒有關係所以這個部分一定要找青少年一起來討論這部分請部長跟署長、副署長一定要承諾我這件事情可以嗎沒有問題這一定好那相關的如果有一些宣導的措施跟宣導品的規劃的一個時程的話如果有的話也希望在一個月內之後送到一個月內送到我辦公室好不好謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
7100.071 |
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好,謝謝張雅琳委員謝謝部長接下來我們有請陳秀寶委員質詢謝謝主席有請鄭部長好,有請鄭部長 |
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委員好部長早安那在進入今天的主題之前呢因為剛才雅琳委員有關心同樣的一個問題就是有一個有性犯罪前科的美籍人士露台那這個讓家長及教師們都非常非常的憂心那剛才部長您有回覆就是說我們有要求各縣市政府的教育局處來做這個清查的這個狀況那意思是說明天才會有清查的結果嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
跟委員報告確實我們現在通令從系統上來講要聘用如果有系統上他一定會阻隔掉因為他是不符合資格的但是至於有一些他不必然是立案可能社區或者小型的這些許多的這些兒童的相關的一些補習班或者這個才藝的這些班那我們也希望這一個地方政府特別對兒少的這一個區塊一定要確實 |
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7179.065 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
中央跟地方合作希望明天下午的時候地方能夠 |
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| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
我們有請郭司長 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
7239.665 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
市長好在10月底的時候本期這邊有跟吳啟明委員跟李坤城委員共同來舉行這個關於喪屍煙彈管制這個記者會那這個也呼籲相關的部會呢我們要重視一透明紙濫用這個問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
這個部份． |
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| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
我們會請這個教育部也能夠加入這個我們平台所以下一次你們預警平台開會的時候就會邀請教育部了對會邀請後面會邀請他們其實因為我們整個防制毒品的這個安全網我們不能獨缺教育部我們應該更全面的跟每個部會都有訊息的交流所以司長這邊有承諾就是說我們下一次開會的時候教育部就會來參與 |
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| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
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那因為教育部的這個校安通報呢他們有統計學生濫用藥物的這個情況如果有新興藥物在校園裡面流傳呢教育部也會將他們實際掌握的情形啊校園裡面的情況來供給各部會來參考 |
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同時當然他們也會需要有第一手掌握新興毒品的這些訊息來提供學校端來注意所以說這個部分我們各部會就是在這個整個的這個平台的互動跟訊息交流是非常非常的重要所以希望說這個部分除了說你們邀請教育部進來之外我也希望說你們這個開會的這個 |
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高監署是一個督導緝毒的小組,各地監署有一個緝毒執行小組,每3個月開一次。 |
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每3月開一次我們除了邀執法機關之外都有邀教育局、當地縣市政府的教育局派員來參加請少年法庭委派庭長、候法官來參加在那個會議上就有關於讀請的分析、查詢的狀況我們都分析給來參與的教育局的人員 |
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希望他們在查辦上能夠多加的協助因為進入校園這一塊其實蠻敏感的有些學校蠻抗拒的那這一部分其實在各地檢署這個每三個月就會開一次因為我待過新竹、台中、雲林我們每三個月就開一次會邀這些單位來 |
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好 謝謝施展尤其現在依托米紙的替代品替代攤名在中國很流行那我們要預防說未來是不是在台灣也會氾濫所以這個跨部會這個橫向的聯繫是非常的重要也希望說法務部這邊跟教育部要緊密的合作好 那您請回另外我也希望說警政署在查獲依托米紙中的稀有或持 |
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持有或吸食的人數裡面你們要去做統計年齡、教育程度、職業那將這個資料能夠交給教育部跟國建署作為反讀宣導的依據那接下來呢部長您 |
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部長,今天的主題,專報的主題就是本席在總質詢的時候的題目本席在總質詢的時候有說過我們是很擔憂有毒品的這個煙油透過電子煙進入校園那我們先來看一下國建署這邊調查的資料從107年到110年,國高中生使用電子煙的比例其實是節節攀升的國中生從107年的1.9%到110年的3.9% |
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那高中學生又從107年的3.4%到110年的8.8%這樣的狀況其實是真的讓人家很憂心再來看一下關於大專院校學生使用電子煙的狀況教育部在112年前各校查填違法使用的這個情況調查的結果人數只有1536人使用部長您覺得這個數字是有確實的反映事實嗎? |
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我想如果以衛福部的數據跟教育部內部的當然它有一定的一些落差那本來就是說在調查、問卷調查裡面當然難免會有一定的誤差會有一定的落差的原因是什麼?那個部長您有想過嗎?其實本期這邊要跟教育部 |
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根據國建署的調查的統計跟教育部這個來比對差這麼多部長您覺得是什麼原因 |
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跟委員報告有比較我直接的看這個數據我認為青少年他在抽煙電子煙可能發生在校外的比例是比較高的因為學校裡邊他主要上課讀上課嘛時間排的比較緊湊然後他放學以後可能在社區在其他的地方學校的老師終究在這個部分他還是會關心青少年的一個發展所以 |
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部長您的意思是說在校園內發生跟校園外發生這樣子的跟事實數據落差還是有關係的那這邊齁 |
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我也要跟部長您提醒其實這個數字反映出來就是說現場教學現場的老師他們要做這個電子煙的查查其實是有困難的那困難的原因就是說其實我們教育部以及我們衛生主管單位有沒有針對校園內的查緝做一個一套的一致性的規範讓學校可以遵循 |
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本席在總質詢的時候有建議過教育部我們應該連合橫向的連合社政警政衛政這個系統我們做一個一套可以是一致性的這個可以遵循的規範讓學校有這樣的依據那但是教育部這邊目前是不是沒有一個這樣子的機制可以依循 |
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部長 |
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本席要求的是我們教育部這邊針對校園電子煙處理的流程跟機制而不是對外的所以在這邊我要建議第一個我們應該針對學生使用電子煙查緝通報裁罰有個流程是明確一致的流程第二個是希望說我們來明確規範是不是通報家長我們在什麼時候通報家長第一次查到的時候還是第二次查到的時候還是在什麼時候通知家長是最適當的 |
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第三個是不是同步的通報地方衛生單位我們也要一致的標準我們是抓到了查到了就通報還是在怎樣的情況下會通報我想委員所提醒的我們都會在校園的陰害防治裡邊我們把它納入然後在實施辦法裡邊來進行這個部分我要求教育部你們要盡快的把這個相關的這樣的流程這樣的規範訂出來有個依據學校的老師他開採一個有這樣子的SOP可以依循 |
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教育部部長 |
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我完全同意委員的說法希望是有互動式的而且讓學生有意見可以反饋是 |
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現在部長那接下來給我一點時間我想請國建署我們請國建署委員好國建署今天是假副署長那請問署長呢署長這個因公出國那在上兩個禮拜前的專報他也出國是的 |
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因為也是會有家長們覺得說這麼重要的專報為什麼 |
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反映說為什麼署長都沒有到場是不是覺得說他不夠積極還是不夠關心沒有署長在這個出國之前有跟我們充分的討論那這邊因為我只接了一點點時間我想針對國建署這邊我還是要提醒你們在報告裡面其實有寫說針對這個網路販售的這個稽查 |
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但是因為現在真的電子煙取得是非常非常的容易在學生之間會流傳很輕易取得的這個管道而且真的隨便上網搜尋就可以查到這個購買的網站喔那所以這邊要提醒喔國建署這邊要更積極的研議你們稽查的方式那如果你們有進一步的這樣子的措施我也希望說你可以供給我辦公室查考 |
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好,我們謝謝陳秀寶委員。接下來我們有請陳培鈺委員質詢。謝謝主席。有請教育部、衛福部、法務部、書發部、內政部、警政署。謝謝。好,以上麻煩列席。委員好。 |
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好部長好所有人都關心志工但是大家都忽略一件事情我已經跟體育署溝通過很多次了我們台灣其實有社區運動俱樂部而且絕對超過千個在足球籃球棒球各式各樣的球類如果今天這個 |
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信騷疑似犯他進入任何社區運動俱樂部是在部長您剛剛回答所有委員的平台上是查不到的也是收不到你們公文的因為你們收到你們公文的會是學校、補習班、課後班你們所有有立案的團體都收得到但是社區運動部是沒有立案的所以部長我只是要告訴你會有這個很大的漏洞如果這個人又擅長於運動如果剛好有社區運動俱樂部的人剛好要爭教練 |
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全各式各樣成人的指導員在旁邊然後剛好社區運動部主責的人又沒有看到新聞他就會進入社區運動俱樂部我只是舉其中一個例子之前我一直在跟體育署溝通為什麼社區運動俱樂部應該在你們的政策視野當中現在這個人可能就會是因為過往不在你們的政策視野當中你們認為那個是全民運動你們認為那是不應該納管的甚至這些大人不應該被你們 |
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立有所謂的兒少工作證所以他就有機會進入不在所有您剛剛回覆委員的平台中他可能就因著運動教育在社區俱樂部裡頭殘害我們的學生部長我知道這題您沒有辦法回答我只是要用我在立法院問證這一年半的經驗告訴你有太多的現場的漏洞正在 |
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您的幕僚可能沒有跟您報告或是在過往您不熟悉的業務範圍當中他可能就殘害到我們的孩子以上這個部分我就先簡單說明到這邊但是我還是要感謝部長你們積極的動作跟回應確實可以給家長一個交代但是我剛說的漏洞沒有人注意到要拜託部長有沒有辦法我們亡羊補牢部長您覺得呢 |
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我想如何讓這個兒少有一個更好的一個成長環境部長我時間有限我時間有限你覺得我剛內體怎麼辦再來看怎麼樣來精進這畫面的一個防制至少在這個個案上我不確定我們時間來不來得及但是未來運動不要升格那現在體育署一定相關很多事情會跟你們討論那拜託部長 |
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全民運動這件事情社區運動俱樂部這件事情務必要放入未來的政策視野當中還有相關的人員的法規範相關的證照制度以確保我們兒少的安全這件事情非常非常的重要由這個個案再度凸顯那也就是為什麼我今天額外還要花時間提醒大家這件事情所有的平台我要再次強調教育部跟衛福部兒少法49條你們現在所有的平台還有幼少法的平台都找不到這個人 |
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因為他不用跑去任何要立案的單位他就可以接觸到我們的小孩這是現在最可怕的事情而且他可能就發生了也拜託委員會後能夠把這個名單給我部長我沒有名單我的意思是說那沒關係體育署絕對可以給您關於社區俱樂部的各式各樣的困境那有沒有辦法要嘛是透過 |
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體育署現在已經有的跟很多協會或者是很多社區運動俱樂部聯繫的管道你們趕快發公文甚至用你們原有的人際網絡趕快把相關的資訊帶給社區運動俱樂部因為我相信是有一些聯絡的可能性但是部長我真的很感謝你已經提到了平台所以確實教育部有掌握到困境但我說的更大的漏洞是不在平台裡面的社區運動俱樂部 |
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我們來做我想我們會在運動部的一個成立之前所有的相關的法令規章我們希望能夠更周延那今天這個個案我們再一起來想辦法我只是提醒部長這個漏洞很大那很多委員都講了我就先快速切到一個問題這個買得很快然後很好買孩子們人際網路會分享實體網路實體或者是網路都很好買但是我現在有發現一個很大的困境跟部長討論 |
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記出重罰這看起來沒有用那我只是想問假設有一天有家長發現了有這個孩子們已經在買了然後家長想要進行對這些網站進行檢舉身為一個家長部長你會建議我要打電話給誰或者是後面相關部會你們可不可以告訴我我身為一個家長我在一個網站上看到了這個非常fancy的畫面然後只有小小的字提醒我們的孩子有尼古丁那我身為家長我可以如何檢舉 |
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報告委員,這件事情如果家長有發現有做截圖的動作可以敬送我各縣市的衛生單位所以請家長找衛生單位這是一條路這是一條路怎麼做 |
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他打電話我在台北市我是台北市民所以我打給台北市1999不只1999還有各他們的社區健康中心把圖片或者用email的方式或者用LINE的方式提供給我們的衛生單位我們就會進行實體的約詢跟裁罰所以家長能夠做的是這個事情那請問警政單位呢 |
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指正單位可以教我們家長什麼方法嗎?如果我看到我的孩子的電腦上出現這個,我很擔心,我跟孩子也溝通了,我身為家長,我想要盡社會責任,身為一個公民,我想要盡社會責任,我可以做什麼事情?我想這些部分,電子煙部分還是要行業管這些部分,但如果說他有要 |
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提到這個問題是他檢舉管道很多啦他如果有跟我們110來講我想我們也會協助他到鄉地的相關的主管機關來做立案謝謝長官你講這樣一般這樣聽不懂啦你剛剛整句話都沒有告訴他他可以去哪裡檢舉跟報案剛剛衛福部講得很清楚嘛1999然後相關的衛生單位就會收到檢舉那就法務部的立場呢或是警政署的立場呢你們怎麼看 |
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我身為一般家長我到底可以怎麼做這個才是現在最大的問題啊我知道我們相關煙害防治法也修了我都知道衛福部也在討論加熱煙品這個評審會議我都知道現在我就問我是家長我該怎麼做 |
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我至少要檢舉嘛 對不對所以我們只有衛福部那個管道就只有衛福部那個部分好 所以我們可以這樣對外向家長呼籲就現行的法規我們只能走衛福部那條路徑是 確定喔 |
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確定?好那我們就這樣說可是我還是覺得這個有很大的問題不過沒關係我們會後再來討論另外一個從這個題目長出來另外一個小題目部長你一定不知道在教育部呢大專院校厭害防制工作參考指引問答集裡面在113年6月18號修訂你們會在新生健檢的時候實行 |
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一氧化碳檢測其實這個事情呢為什麼是113年6月18你們才頒布呢其實在過往你們其實曾經就想要對大專院校學生做這個事情可是當時被發現沒有相關法規範然後你們是不是就做了這個事情就是要學生就是對著那個偵測器土器這件事情部長你覺得這個做法目前有沒有相關的問題這有法律授權嗎 |
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新北市市長 |
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請教育部主席 |
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運動部這件事情從煙害防制我想要談我們如何讓我們的年輕人看見我們的主管機關對於煙害防制真的是有作為有價值觀有核心價值我們來看 |
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今年的日本奧運體操國手宮田生子因為被發現未成年吸煙他可是一定會得金牌的人結果他就被踢出日本代表隊因此日本果然有在體操就沒有得到金牌我看到日本人在想的是把教育跟法律放在奪牌之前 |
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不是只是為了徵金奪銀還是讓這個放任這個選手出去比賽因為我再強調一次他是一個未成年的奪牌選手但是反觀我們臺灣足協在5月16號呢針對U17三名選手帶酒精回宿舍營用當時足協在5月16公布懲處退訓那當時還有教練團集訓期間外出跟廠商喝酒只有書面警告部長請您記得一下 |
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部長你聽我說5月16竹協這樣公告下一張10月22號竹協緊急在自己的網站上放了一個公文說為了備戰10月份的U17男子亞洲盃會外賽教練團認為戰力上急需兩位選手加入就是我剛剛說的 |
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五月被退訓的那三個選手帶酒精飲料回宿舍的那三個選手其中有兩個又被撈回國家代表隊說是因為戰力需求我覺得非常荒謬的是我們所有的立法院委員在意孩子未成年吸菸喝酒的相關法規範相關政策相關教育宣導相關部會今天還為了這個議題 |
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這麼多行政院的官員坐在這邊但是我們的足協由體育署是主管機關的足協卻可以說因為戰力需求再把這兩個未成年喝酒的球員拉入球隊部長我跟你報告5月他公佈把這兩個小孩退訓10月他又公佈拉回來比賽但是足協其實早在8月就開了相關的會議 |
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5月、8月、10月這到底發生了什麼事情而且這個事情為什麼我今天一定要花時間在這裡講當我們在講菸酒防制的時候我們在花這麼多力氣的時候部長啊,你的足鞋在扯你後腿部長我講到這裡你有什麼感想我要講的是為什麼我一定要拿日本那個國手他是可以拿奧運金牌的 |
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但是日本決定因為未成年吸菸喝酒他們決定站在教育端站在法律合法端我們不要為了爭經奪義讓這個選手代表日本出去比賽但我們台灣的足協卻做這樣的事情 |
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我想日本的一個做法值得我們來學習 |
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主席這題你怎麼辦已經過了其實比賽已經過了但我還是要提出來講明確的來要求各單項協會一定要例行這樣的一些規範 |
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部長你一定不知道這件事情對不對不清楚對但是我剛講的邏輯部長你一定認同我們大園在這邊辛辛苦苦做煙害防制的教育啊、宣導啊、立法法規範大家有非常多的討論不要說衝突大家有非常多討論大家有非常多的價值跟信念但是你的足協在扯你後腿而且他就是未成年的球員 |
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但反觀日本那我們未來升格為運動部之後我們一定可以做得更好更多讓我們的隊員、球員們、未成年球員相信你們大人真的說一套做一套這件事情不要再發生了然後也讓我們球員家長相信我們是公正公平的我們是有一定的法規範在限制這些事情不能再只是為了戰力需求這件事情而且竟然是有足協發出這樣的公文我完全沒有辦法接受更不要講跟他同隊的隊員我不知道體育署你可不可以接受 |
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提議署長你可以接受嗎?報告委員這一點我們已經要求主席絕對不可以再犯這其實我們也不能接受的 |
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謝謝署長的回應你也不能接受對不對所以我相信你們可以更積極你們其實有非常多行政手段可以跟主協好好溝通但是我認為主協一直以來之所以這麼囂張我必須用囂張這兩個字我真的覺得我們體育署的管制力道真的還要再加強或者是溝通哪裡出了問題要拜託不然從今天題目談下來我真的覺得如果今天有小孩球隊小孩看到我們今天所有委員會的質詢真的會覺得你們大人說一套做一套啊 |
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謝謝陳培鈺委員接下來我們休息5分鐘 |
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8726.977 |
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主席 |
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本會議會主席 |
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主席主席主席 |
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主席響鐘 |
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主席 |
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主席 |
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主席 |
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主席 |
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致詢議員致詢議員 |
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這個應該是裡面要搜的 |
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主席主席主席 |
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臨時會議臨時會議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
吳佩儀委員 |
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法務部警政署速發部 |
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今天我們的專案報告是電子煙入侵校園危害青少年我們防制相關作為的檢討涉及到很多的部會那剛剛前面的質詢很多都提到了電子煙目前青少年使用是相當的氾濫那根據我們的法規電子煙它是屬於類煙品這個屬於危害防制法目前我們是行政法則但是其中我特別關注的 |
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就是電子煙含毒品電子煙油參入毒品這個就是屬於毒品危害防制條例那主管機關也就是我們的法務部我想這是我們目前非常重要一個新興毒品器材的重點 |
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那面對這種新興毒品我們汽茶呢一個你向上要溯源嘛向下你要斷根嘛對不對那我尤其是前陣子我看到在我們甚至有我們在協助汽茶的這個員警 |
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因為有民眾使用了這一個我們剛剛講的喪屍煙彈也就是宜托米紙這個目前是列管為三級毒品那有毒後駕駛我們有員警在器材當中不幸殉職也有民眾是因為其他人 |
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獨厚駕駛而被撞死的所以我覺得這對我們社會危害性相當之高那我看我們警政署在這個月在10月的衛環委員會也有過專案報告想請問一下目前你們針對這個喪屍煙彈棄查的情形有沒有一個初步的結果 |
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謝謝委員我想我們上次煙彈我們事實上在它還沒有列為三級毒品的時候我們就開始做一個查緝動作了是那我們從7月1號到10月14號我們查獲的上次煙毒案有1828件這是查獲的對 是查獲的案件 是那 |
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有沒有人次的數字人次是2207人對 這數字光是這105天之內就這麼的高我幫你換算一下平均一天等於是17件所以你不能只有專案期間10月14號之後我們目前還有沒有持續在統計 |
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跟委員報告事實上我們現在是我們一個查緝的重點我們除了專門查緝現在在安基專我們也是列為一個重點的一個查緝工作好你們這個查緝的情形還是要持續來統計數字我們才會知道說他是攀升還是我們的查緝作為是有效在減緩的但我看到一個案件8月的時候也是我們警政署破獲的 |
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他是集團式的在販售上市煙彈光是這一案你們查獲的數量高達了15000顆黑市的價格高達了3000萬所以這個明顯的就是集團式的在販毒然後賣到怎麼樣呢賣到有自己的商標跟品牌 |
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這個案子最主要我想 |
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我們在整個企圖的工作上網路刑查還是我們一個很重要的工作那這次這個案子是我們同仁在網路刑查上發現網路上找到的對然後我們就進行了相對的一個偵查所以他有自己的網站嗎他的網站我們是網站當時有沒有去封網 |
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有去從這個偵查程序上去做偵查當中就先封網了嗎?因為這個網後查出來這個是在大陸那要這個網易要斷解目前我們在行這個司法程序來辦理所以當時查器當中有沒有封網?來書發部可不可以回答 |
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我剛講的8月這一案喔已經移送的這一案喔當時有沒有封網請用麥克風 |
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到目前為止我們沒有接到這部分的封網不過基本上這部分它可能有涉及到幾個問題可以去協助處理的第一個就是各平台有社群守則這不是平台這個是網站有的是網站我現在講的就是這一個單獨網站基本上這個還是要回到法律程序他們現在已經進行法律程序去處理了以上報告 |
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好 這個呢 如果是按照我們的兒少性剝削的也是一樣 跟平台、速發部你們有一個流程嘛在查緝辦案當中 因為他已經違法這是三級毒品啊 署長 辦案當中就應該要封網所以如果說我現在請教速發部 如果法務部寫一個文給你們 你們可不可以封網 |
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報告委員是這樣子﹖目前所有﹖你們可以請網路資訊中心來處理嗎?基本上現在所有﹖你先凍結他的網域嗎?可不可以?基本上我沒辦法凍結他的網域﹖因為TW應該只能處理點TW份那至於您提的﹖對,我講的就是點TW﹖這個不是點TW﹖假設是的話﹖假設是的話 |
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現在這個署長我告訴你剛剛我講了這個8月的案件他的網站到現在為止還在網路上 |
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而且他強調說人家賣到有品牌了強調說他才是正版的千萬不能去買其他品牌的然後他強調什麼呢24小時之內我就給你送達所以啊這個一定要去封網你封網你們現在還需要研擬什麼樣的機制來跟我們討論你們剛剛講到了嘛署長新興這個我們講的這個新興毒品不只是三級我們有沒有在研擬來把它提升成二級 |
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他已經太放爛了嘛上司煙彈這一個我們有在研擬從三級提到二級有沒有在研擬誰可以回答跟委員報告這個毒品的審議在法務部是8月份行政院公告你的麥克風請靠近一點8月份行政院公告伊托米子為三級毒品但是我們發現社會的這個泛濫性危害性蠻大的所以我們在10月21號就發供應給各機關在收集資料是 |
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11月14號我們將會召開獨省審議委員會準備來這個審議這個伊東米子要不要把它列為二級獨品那除了伊東米子之外因為它有周邊的類似的獨品就是美東米子跟伊東帕子也會同時在11月14號就下禮拜會做一個全面性檢討要不要把它升級為 |
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多病的管制從三級升到二級三級的最低程度是七年以上二級是十年以上你要評估不是隨便評估嘛一定是你們發現它有所影響主要指標社會安全危害性以及它的氾濫性 |
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| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
9501.27 |
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倘若這個問題確實是我們現在這麼嚴重的社會問題的話封網啊你這個網站民眾隨手可得隨時可以買更不用說我們的青少年剛剛討論那麼多你這個溯源沒有處理沒有辦法來根本的斷絕所以我希望法務部、警政署、速發部趕快我們來討論出一個流程一旦我們警政署我們的這個情勢警察局發現有這樣的網站的時候趕快去封網啊 |
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請教育部部長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
9551.966 |
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部長我想要跟您關心的是10月的時候有個報導指出我們臺北醫學大學有一名消性的教師他是性騷擾的慣伴並且也經過學校的性評的調查也確實屬實那這個教師目前是已經被解聘了不過我們去回顧他的流程因為這個老師呢不只是在學校任職他同時也是我們國科會研究計畫的主持人及共同主持人 |
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這個案件是在去年12月的時候北一的性評會就已經調查確認有性評案件了 |
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所以按照我們目前國科會的法規有性平違反性平法規的人就不得擔任國科會的計畫主持人可是呢這個老師去年學校已經調查出有性平案件結果他同樣繼續去年國科會的計畫還繼續的主持不只是去年主持到今年7月還在主持然後呢今年學校還讓他去申請新的國科會研究計畫 |
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部長有沒有瞭解過這個案件我看到了報導 |
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這個不能只有看到報道我認為這個問題相當的嚴重因為我們確實已經調查有性平案件了那你解聘需要一定的程序我們也要給老師他既有的這個權益是要的你這個程序一定是需要時間可是他應該在調查屬實的當下就應該要立即通報國科會去解除他國科會研究計畫主持人的身份是不是這個樣子 |
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是嘛 有點頭但是當時學校卻沒有做學校沒有通報國科會還讓老師又去申請新的計畫計畫主持人有計畫研究助理有相關的團隊因為這個性平安禁它不是一案而已它是多個人來檢舉喔所以你們讓他在這麼長的時間裡面有這麼多有更多的機會可以來接觸對 所以我請教育部 |
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9689.21 |
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來去了解整個時間序列按照我對法官的了解應當是在去年的12月北一的性平案件調查組織出來的時候就立刻要解除他國科會主持人的身份而且不可能讓他再去申請新的案件請教育部來進行了解並且把這個過程讓我知道好不好我們來了解然後這個我們要責成這個學校一定要務必要檢討改進 |
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是 這個國科會是負責計畫的審查但是教育部是我們學校裡面性平安全的守護者要請你們嚴格來把關好 謝謝好 謝謝吳佩奕委員接下來我們有請林倩琦委員質詢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
9746.833 |
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謝謝主席我今天會請教教育部、國界署、數發部、體育署、交政署教育部、衛福部、數發部、證證署 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
衛福部、教育部、速發部 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
9785.416 |
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委員好謝謝部長我們也很感謝昭緯設定今天這樣一個題目把它排進議程讓我們對於提供學校良好的環境這個是我們學習的一個基礎這件事情我們要鍥而不捨的來做一個處理 |
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這個部分其實是我對永續性的這個發展很重視的所以在一開始就是這個電子煙進入校園今天在前面幾位委員就各個層面也都跟大家做一些請教跟建議那我這邊提到的是當然這個電子煙其實一般人也感受不到在校園裡面最直接像教安人員、學務主任、輔導主任都可以在很短的時間內知道尤其是在偏鄉也是 |
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9815.372 |
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9829.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
非都會的學校現在已經都蠻嚴重的但是我們從國建署110年青少年吸菸的行為調查顯示目前使用率已經上升到3.9%很高國中是3.9% 高中值是8.8% |
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早上有很多人都提到那已經將近七八萬名甚至已經快到九萬的這個青少年使用電子煙所以這個問題很嚴重但是呢我們就算罰還的部分很高一萬元但是這個三部政策我想請教一下部長不嘗試、不購買、不推薦那在你們那個宣導跟施行防制後整個電子煙的使用率是不是有降低 |
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我們從學校的一個通報裡邊它事實上有微乎的增加但是相當大概就是有微乎的增加所以你們還要再努力接下來在世衛組織WHO提出來的104個戒煙的理由當中指出當然我們都知道煙對其他人有影響但是電子煙對於孩子腦部的影響也非常的大對一般人應該也有一個常態性的影響 |
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9912.528 |
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所以,凝固煙的成癮風險非常高,大概有九成研究指出,電子煙不比吸食煙的族群肺部疾病來得少發生率好像有高出4.36倍電子煙是很重要的一個影響身體健康的原因所以在這個整個校園危害防制的實施計畫 |
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9914.009 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
9914.65 |
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世界衛生組織及國際實證對於青少年使用臨床藥物戒菸這件事還沒有實證 |
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9945.192 |
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所以大部分的研究都是指出要透過戒菸輔導、心理諮商跟戒菸教育來協助他離開菸品所以我們除了跟我們的戒菸專線裡面來跟更多的合作用結構式的方式來協助 |
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9982.282 |
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如果尋求戒煙服務的這個小朋友們怎麼樣有結構式來戒煙另外您剛提到的全國現在有將近3000多個醫療院所有提供戒煙服務我們可以做戒煙衛教但是小朋友對藥物的部分還需要更多實證所以3000多所的這個醫療機構是可以協助我們的青少年在戒煙的服務上面的戒煙衛教可以一起來做的 |
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9983.1 |
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9997.494 |
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好的謝謝您這邊的回應所以這樣聽起來我們在實證還沒有確定之前也有一些沒有依循的困難對不對但是已經雖然沒有藥物的部分但是衛教或者心理輔導的部分我們是持續在做 |
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好的謝謝您這邊的回應所以這其實也點出我待會要講的一個問題那接下來就是在這個國建署和您辦理的這個吸煙調查裡面您其實剛才有講到那個壓力的疏解就心理的這個部分是很大的一個原因 |
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這個部分其實也點出教育部我們在這個心理輔導老師的不足這個其實這個議題在我們委員會裡面也一直提到第一個是這個心輔教師的這個不足還有輔導相關專業的人數的這個不足其次是就是這個專業要對應的人太多的那比例太高了 |
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這件事情的很重要一個根本就是大家很多的比例是為了紓解壓力 |
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10072.223 |
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書籍壓力的情況下這個其實教育部門要去檢討一下整體的政策為什麼大家的好心都讓整個社會包括老師包括學生壓力都很大那其次是那其次的解決就是那需要有人來幫助嘛結果心服老師或者是輔導相關的專業也不夠所以在這邊我提出幾個數據你們思考一下啦 |
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10078.009 |
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10086.833 |
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42%的學生沒有心腹還有這個議題的這個相關宣導活動就你今天講的這個電子煙的議題然後再來35.7%曾經在輔導課上談過相關的議題那27.7%的學生有聽過專人的演講再來不到20%只有19.1%的學生有導師在班上宣傳所以這個數據也提供你們一個參考 |
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| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
主席 |
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教育部或衛福部有要針對這個部分做一些回應嗎?我想確實這一個看起來我們這一個老師因為社會在進步科技快速的在精進我們老師其實許多的教學包括我們臺灣的教育普及 |
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10154.172 |
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10157.154 |
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對老師的教學品質確實他會有一個更高的一些更多的一些期待應該在高校或者是所有的教育體系你應該都非常清楚 |
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| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
所以本席這邊點出來了壓力是這整件事情的來源然後其次是紓解壓力的人或處理壓力的人也不夠這個是教育部還有體建署也是相關的單位沒有關係 這個部分請你們好好的研議好不好要不然我們會一天到晚一直在處理這些問題所以系統性的問題請你們注意好嗎 |
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10207.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
接下來我很快的講一下這跟速發不有關但我不知道有沒有時間讓你來回應其實剛才有幾位委員針對速發的部分給你們提出了一些建言那這個網路時代我們國人平均使用網路的時間是7.14小時那高於全球的6.37小時那這個跟今天有關的是 |
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10224.918 |
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10246.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
五成二接受調查的孩童跟青少年比較喜歡透過螢幕來閱讀三成二喜歡用傳統的紙本來閱讀這就代表目前我們是沒有辦法逃離這樣一個狀況所以跟今天有關的就是在你們怎麼去處理這個嚴格把關的議題除了網路監測平台以外那是不是還有更積極的配套措施 |
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10252.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
10269.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
報告委員有關於教育部的自動安全部分應該會在部裡頭再處理所以我想我們一定會跟教育部一起同理合作把學生的自動安全的部分能夠處理到希望能夠更進步以上那還是希望你們抓住重點來處理解決系統性的問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
那接下來是校園暴力我很快的講一下那2023年其實整年度高中值的暴力事件已經26442件那高於2022年的1萬件那平均每天有71件暴力那事實上目前在政策預防層面其實好像很少這個系統性的政策與指引那分析處理好像也不太完整所以我在提醒面對暴力事件去年的12月25號的校園暴力那應該 |
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| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
其實這個問題的終結就是你們不應該全數讓老師去對應這整個暴力事件的這個它成為這裡面最重要的一個第一現場所以很多因素是不利於老師的那我不知道你們這個部分 |
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| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
10341.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
我沒太多時間讓你們回答但是我講一個啦就是說偏差行為的少年離開了少年關護所或矯正學校請問誰要來承接那處罰的少年離開關護所1到3月那很多處罰的少年認為關進去也沒關係啊那請問對於那個遵守規則的學生怎麼去處理呢他們怎麼去因應呢這就好像 有人有問題嘛反正他有問題沒有問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
所以我是不是可以製造問題?會變成這種心態?部長跟委員報告有一些這個暴力這個違反法令規範的我們事實上是各縣市都現在有建立了一個過渡性的一個教育機構也就是說有一些相關的一些課程在做介入的 |
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10362.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
10363.321 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
法務部長鄭英耀、衛生福利部長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
10393.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
體育署本賢想請教在電子煙的防治你們有什麼作為?我不知道你會不會覺得很遠但是應該很多像研究都顯示出透過運動可以保持身體健康也能夠讓心理健康 |
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| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
10424.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
那當然這有一些生理性的直接影響是有被調查出來的所以本席剛才講到紓解壓力其實體育署這個部分可以再跟積極的作為在電子煙這個部分也好校園暴力也好那你們怎麼樣有積極的具體的作為讓全民運動也某種程度的來負擔跟解除這樣子的一個問題體育署 嗯報告委員您剛剛已經把答案講出來了其實這個就是我們現在在努力規劃的方向 |
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10448.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
是是是,但是不要只跟本席說那個運動部要成立了齁然後那個就能夠解決一些問題成立了之後呢你們的責任越大如果這些問題在過程當中都沒有好好討論跟實際的作為去檢視相關的問題那個問題還是會層出不窮而且可能還更大好最後就本席做一個進度請問那個金融國家羽球中心齁人家奧運得完了之後呢接下來你們的後續 |
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10450.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
10450.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
接下來我們有請郭育琴委員 |
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我想在進入今天這個電子煙入侵校園的一個主題之前我們先來看一下最近其實在包含我兒子的學校其實也非常的擔心 |
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就是有一位這個外籍的人士那他目前是在臺灣行蹤沉迷已經超過了大概三十幾天了那大家比較擔心的是這個外籍的人士呢有傳聞說他可能會進入所謂的這個不管是短期的補習班或者是課後班或者是這個其他的一些美育補習班甚至有可能會進入校園目前教育部掌握的 |
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外籍老師的任用必須有良民證 |
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那我目前的一個系統上並沒有這一個人有擔任任何的一個教職但是誠如委員所提的因為沒有立案的或者社區的那些小型的或者客戶這是我們也擔心的所以有關兒少特別兒少的那一個區塊我們也請各地方縣市政府裡面能夠積極的去查 |
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進行了解明天下午就會回報一定要快因為其實已經有傳聞說他本來是在中南部是屏東的南部的地區但是後來已經有傳聞說他已經北上移到了桃園但目前這個都還是 |
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我們會跟地方來合作然後盡速的來瞭解前面的一個狀況 |
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接下來我們來看一下這個新型電子煙我想這個電子煙入侵校園在這個短短的大概是七年間的一個時間不管是進入偏鄉、非山非市或者是都會區的一個學校短短七年的時間已經蔓延得非常的嚴重了我們收到的是一線的在教育現場的一個老師他跟我們來反映是說 |
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同材之間因為電子煙的香味它有各式各樣不同的一個變化甚至於煙器的本身它就變成是一個年輕人流行時尚的一個炫耀的一個手上的一些商品所以其實你就會發現它在學生之間的 |
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接受度很高受歡迎度也很高但接著下來其實真的問題很大了因為我們發現有很多的這個不管是大學生也好或高中生也好甚至往下到國中生也好大學生批貨 |
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是我 |
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我想這確實是我們現在在校園裡邊我們從一些統計數字也看到的一些現象那目前其實針對我們的這個教育部青少年在吸煙的一個問題我們所採取的措施我念一下包括校園的禁煙環境的維護提供師生戒煙的資源以及設立違規事件反應的管道 |
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感覺聽起來好像都有面面俱到但目前為止具體的成效或具體的作為到底是什麼真的有對這三樣的部分做嚴格的控管還是只交給地方我可能就沒辦法掌握了這個部分呢有對症下藥嗎 |
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跟委員回報了兩點第一點是否對症下藥剛剛委員已經講出我們的三個面向事實上也還有更基礎的在必修課程不定必修課程有關健體的部分那麼從縱向第一階段到第五階段都有那剛剛最後講到成效的部分這個歷來我們會跟地方政府藉由定期的匯報來做處置以今天質詢之後這樣處置的密度會更強謝謝 |
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好,我想呢,距離這個煙害防治法上次的一個修法已經是16年前了啦然後但是呢,這對電子煙的這個規範其實我們是在去年的1月其實我們就有一些比較更嚴格的一個管制的部分啦但是目前我們看到電子煙在市面當中的流竄 |
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感覺上我們的控管好像很嚴格因為這些規定出來之後但問題是又好像無法可管我覺得這個不能只有推給學校校方的老師來做這件事情因為他們的行政的量能或者是教學的量能其實真的是已經不堪負荷了那在這個部分其實我覺得要更加的宣導啦因為我們知道在這個電子煙的部分包含我們把這個年紀提高到未滿20歲是禁止吸煙的 |
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另外就是說我們在這個煙品的容器標示上面的面積要增加50%但問題是現在電子煙多樣化這些部分我們真的完全無法可管我們來看一下其實現在青少年他們因為好奇心光是高中生光是國中生他們都佔了50%以上接著下來比較讓人擔心的就是他們看到別人吸同儕的壓力我也就跟著吸 |
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再來因為他沒有傳統的煙品的那樣子的一個臭味他就會覺得他是一個fancy是一種時尚還有紓解壓力再來剛剛提到不能只推給校園其實家庭的環境爸媽親戚朋友也在吸電子煙我想這個部分我們的宣導可能真的還是比較量能是不足的那接著下來我們來看一下 |
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衛福部其實有特別做統計調查但是這個統計調查是兩年才一次對不對請衛福部的人員上來一下是兩年才一次對嗎對青少年吸煙是兩年一次那活人吸煙也是兩年所以它是交互的 |
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我個人真的認為這兩年當中的變化會很大不要講一般的青少年朋友我們光看電子煙很多人以為說它是一個戒煙的工具是一個替代品這是完全錯誤的我手上拿的這份報告其實真的就在講的是電子煙對於青少年以及對於人體肺部的危害 |
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我們會積極研議 |
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跟委員報告 |
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事實上從去年的這個3月22號開始執行修法之後到今年我們大概在網路平台查緝違規案件大概3萬多件那目前已經裁法出去的是74件確實3萬多件的74件而已所以這個我們需要再加強我們裁法的力道跟速度是因為我們的人力量能不夠嗎 |
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這是一個原因但是另外最重要的原因是他需要去要調尋各自要約尋他這個行政程序是比較繁瑣的比較複雜的所以我們在這個兩個禮拜前在未完委員會召開了這個相關類似的會議之後呢這個過程中我們跟22個縣市跟網路平台都有積極的開會希望可以壓縮這個速度讓採取速度快一點 |
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回到我剛剛最一開始所說的因為現在有很多的年輕人是透過LINE群組是透過IG的對話群組他們在做這樣子的一個向下 |
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我們說這是往下在影響我們的青少年的族群但是很多的來源包含它的煙油的來源是來自於中國那我們都知道其實從中國過來的東西其實是對人體當中是非常非常有大的一個危害這個部分麻煩加快速度可以嗎可以好那另外呢就是我們剛剛提到如果我真的在網路上看到這些平台 |
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跟委員報告其實追本溯源還是在網路平台的這些不法的刊載跟廣告是我們查緝的重點 |
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好 你們查緝的重點都講出來了但是查緝的結果跟查緝的速度跟最後的這個能夠真正查緝的建樹真的是要加強 我知道好 什麼時候可以更快的加強我們大概因為一直今天一整天的委員一直在提醒我們說我們會盡快在時間內提供我們的包括在校園的推廣包括在校園的 淹害的 |
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教育部部長 |
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臨時提案 |
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第一案本次堪瑞颱風登陸造成全台嚴重災情尤其風勢強悍更是各地露宿建築破損向源泉更需要國人共同重視要求教育部一個月內彙整全台學校受颱風影響的損害情況提出協助計劃必要時向行政院申請第二日備金與營業 |
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提案人﹐洪孟楷﹐萬美玲﹑柯志恩﹑黃建豪﹑第二有鑒於煙害防治法以明令禁止電子煙﹐但因政府各部會分工各行其事﹐導致查緝效果不彰﹐使青少年容易接觸取得﹐進而大舉入侵校園﹐而電子煙更被當作使用毒品之載具﹐強害青少年身心健康勝據﹐ |
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為杜絕電子煙氾濫,也要求教育部、衛福部、法務部、數發部、財政部、關務署、內政部警政署等相關部門應跨部會成立電子煙防制查緝平台,加強宣導與查緝,避免電子煙及毒品繼續侵害校園。提案人衛美玲、洪孟凱、柯之恩、葛如君、黃建豪 |
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第三案,鑒於近日美國國土安全調查辦公室事起﹐指出美籍人士Levi Forest Wallace涉嫌在美國鄂勒岡州對未成年人進行猥褻﹐並經判刑後劣化﹐但該名人士於本年12日持觀光簽證入境台灣﹐目前已行蹤不明超過35天﹐ |
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建議此事以引發家長恐慌．提請教育部立即全面徹查全台各縣市的學校補習班及課後照顧中心．並於今日下午5時前公布查核結果此外．對於新聘任之外籍人員暫時採取更嚴格之審查機制 |
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應應嚴格審查其他校園職務如除公、勤儉人員等之批認條件以確保校園環境的安全無虞提案人張雅玲、陳培育、陳秀寶、吳佩玉、葛儒均宣布完畢好 那我們先來一案一案處理我們先處理今天臨時提案第一案那第一案的部分要不要提案的委員不在我們請部長先說明一下 |
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有沒有需要補充的地方或是說明的地方?謝謝主席我想這一個這個洪委員的提案我們基本上在一個院內所有的受災這個颱風的這個災損情形跟協助計畫我想我們可以來這個我們這一個教育部是可以來來做的這沒問題那至於必要的時候向行政院申請第二一倍金這個是不是能夠在文字上略為修正為 |
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因為工程會本身它就有這一個專案只要颱風它馬上就會有一個所以是不是能夠這一個文字調整為向工程會申請專案補助予以因應好 我們這個要修正這邊嘛那我想這沒有問題就是必要時向工程會申請專案補助予以因應這樣是好 那OK那這樣文字修正後面沒有問題那我們就照樣通過 |
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那接下來我們第二案,第二案是這個本席所提的其實這個就是今天我們大家在質詢的時候所講的嘛因為今天跨了非常多的部會去處理這個電子煙相關的防制稽查那所以本席希望這邊可能不好意思我要在臨時停下加一個字就是說我們先把就是相關部門然後呢英化部會成立電子煙防制查緝平台前面一個月 |
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我想一個月的時間其實很足夠其實本期本來是想要提一個禮拜為什麼呢因為事實上大家現在就在做除非你們告訴我說現在是沒有在做那既然大家都有在做我們就把這平台把它整合起來那我想對於主責部分的衛福部影響我們最大的教育部來講把這個平台整合起來以後對整個電子煙的這個稽查防制應該是會非常有效果那這個是不是請部長請看我們鄭部長跟衛福部這邊 |
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文字有要調整嗎?衛福部?沒有,我們會跟教育部一起合作來辦理 |
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要擺前面嗎?但他們說沒有問題啊,這樣需要調嗎?文字是不是衛福部主政?對嘛,所以部長要講啊?對不起來,那我們把文字調整一下原要求衛福部、教育部、法務部、數發部、這個關務署還有警政署等相關部門我們把衛福部跟教育部對調一下那一個月,一個月內英跨部會成立電子煙防制查緝平台這個部分把它加上去,文字上的修正沒有問題齁? |
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第三案是張雅琳委員有沒有需要補充說明 |
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策查全台各縣市的學校、補習班及課科中心及幼兒園 |
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第二段的第二行全台各縣市的學校、補習班、課後照顧中心及幼兒園中心後面加上及幼兒園 |
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補習班後面的集字取消改成頓號徹查全台各縣市學校頓號、補習班頓號、課後照顧中心及幼兒園 |
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跟主席報告因為幼兒園目前有7000多所所以我們在整個調查裡邊明天下午可能他確實會有一點那不然這樣我們可不可以就是說先公佈現在的這個學校部我們分階段好不好那我們文字上可以怎麼修改我們是不是可以就是譬如前面這段我們現在努力的就是學校補習班還有科後照顧這邊我們努力在明天下午對 |
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那幼兒園的部分呢?我們可以訂在什麼時候呢?幼兒園可不可以下禮拜一中午前好 那我們把它放在文字裡面好不好那幼兒園於下禮拜一是幾號?下禮拜一中午前那那個是不是請教育部你把文字調整一下我們現在可以把這個調整後的文字正確的把它唸完來 |
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所以看起來前面應該還是一樣就是到徹查全台各縣市的學校、頓化、補習班及課後照顧中心 |
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確認目前或過去是否曾聘用或運用該人士之服務並於這個時間點我們是不是改了8日下午5點時公佈查核結果應該在這個結果後面加至於的自由委員部分於下週一11月1號下週一中午前好沒問題謝謝所以我們在那個就是查核結果後面再加 |
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文字給我,我們唸一次好不好,確定的文字 |
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並於8日下午5點前公布查核結果至幼兒園部分於11月11日中午12點前公布查核結果好不好那雅琳委員這樣可以嗎?好OK那我們沒有其他的問題的話第三案我們也照案通過謝謝主席謝謝各位委員 |
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好接下來那這個提案各提案如果還有委員我們要補簽的可以請議事人員詳細登載在這個議事錄好那接下來我們要繼續進行質詢那我想我們因為這個教育文化委員會下午2點我們還有一個學生輔導法的這個法案要協商所以我們後續外委員會4分鐘的時間就請大家掌握跟把握時間那接下來繼續進行質詢我們請羅志強委員委員質詢 |
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主席有請教育部長、衛福部、數位部跟警政署以上四個部會委員好 |
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部長我看到您的有關於電子煙入侵校園的一個防制檢討的報告那我有一種深刻的感覺我覺得現在電子煙都已經賣到外太空去了我感覺我們相關部會還在殺豬公的那種感覺那現在電子煙在校園裡面的問題越來越嚴重對不對 |
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那我看到您的就是包括一些執行的做法實施課程教學、加長教育宣導、提供防制資源、強化校園管制、防止入侵校園其實我覺得這些都很重要啦但是說實在話要讓教育部獨扛大折我覺得也是很困難 |
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因為這個東西真的因為電子煙的整個的販售甚至它的所謂的一個使用的環境說真的也不是純粹只在校園裡面嘛如果校園的以外的環境的狀況使用的狀況越來越多 |
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那當然對校園裡面就會產生的影響就會越來越大沒錯吧 對不對所以那我想請教因為我看到你們的精進作有一個跨部會的合作共同防制你覺得目前為止我們跨部會的作為你覺得夠嗎對於防制我們現在的電子煙在校園裡面的一個狀況 |
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我想跟委員報告以我們目前來講我們雖然有合作但是他確實還是可以再精進的因為我們看到一些係數那個學生的這個比例那個人數好像他似乎在增加 |
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必須要有一個更積極的就誠如跟委員報告感謝委員的一個理解因為它確實有許多的是原因在這個社區在家庭或者販賣的系統但是它會發生在這個學校裡邊那也對學校裡邊確實產生更大的一些挑戰我想我們會來更積極的在來努力研擬這樣的一個對策 |
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其實我剛剛看到前面的委員也都有問到說實際上不管是成年人、未成年人其實不用特別去找你知道在搜尋引擎去打電子煙、煙油你就很輕鬆的買到各種商品商家也會很貼心會寫說最受歡迎的電子煙油口味快來看看你上了沒有所以說真的到目前為止我舉個例子我想請教一下目前網路的稽查跟打擊到底是由誰來執行 |
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有沒有部會可以說的你是誰來執行報告委員：如果是電子煙的網路稽查是由衛福部國建署來主責對好那我想請教一下就是說依照目前的煙害防治法我們有發現民眾在吸食電子煙是怎麼做目前如果使用電子煙的話非法煙品的話我們都會做採取目前會上前那個開單還是說 |
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沒有什麼作為這個就是我們執法上在行政法上的困擾對啊事實上實務上就我所知不管是員警還是地方衛生局、稽查員通常大部分都睜一隻眼閉一隻眼除非他們在室內抽菸沒有我們會請他留下一些證據那因為後續要做約尋的動作所以他的後續你剛前面也講其實很多東西是不足的啦對不對那現行規定的話送衛生局開罰嘛警察走了之後就可以繼續抽嘛對不對 |
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是吧我們會以開罰為原則那就走了以後可以繼續抽啊就這個意思嘛 對不對當然我們會送戒煙教育啦或做戒煙的一些指導師一定也會我沒有要責怪你的意思啦對因為有些東西法規法治環境確實就會出現一些那請問教育部啊如果學校在抓到就是看到學生抽電子煙會怎麼辦會沒收煙瓶嗎 |
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我們目前是沒收然後按照這個校規會懲處我要這樣講啦就是說事實上這我也是最近在推動一個修法就是說法令上應該還是要新增沒收這個效果因為既然都視為他是違禁品但讓你們有一個依法授權的一個處理空間那當然其實不只這一面啦包括說 |
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實際上現在電子煙又跟毒品結合在一起它其實危害是越來越大如果說今天我們的我剛剛講過如果我們還在殺豬公的話說真的我非常擔心我們的學子你根本根不上今天電子煙這種所謂賣到外太空的這種氾濫的趨勢那請教育部還有各部會真的跨部會合作緊密一點該修的法規拜託要再重新檢討該修就要修好不好好 謝謝委員好 謝謝 |
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謝謝羅智強委員接下來我們有請李坤城委員質詢謝謝主席我們請教育部長、國建署副署長還有速發部的代表好 以上三位 |
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委員好謝謝部長辛苦了那其實我在總質詢的時候就針對這個電子煙還有這一個伊脫米子這個相關的這個危害有做出了這個質詢那我先請教一下這個國建署按照這個110年的這個資料這個國內這個你們推估大概有這個超過7.9萬名的青少年使用電子煙7.9萬這是110年那有沒有最新的資料 |
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跟委員報告最新的資料我們會在11月底12月初公佈那目前看起來這個人數有增加嗎目前我初步看到的這個資料跟上一步的調查的資料趨勢是一樣的趨勢就是增加嗎 |
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大概的比率差不多好 那就看你這一個11月的報告了對 11月的報告會出來那這個電子煙這個使用率越來越佳 越增加最主要就是它在網路上真的很容易取得那我們看一下這個我在網路上打這個電子煙那其實第一個出來的是這個國民健康署的電子煙防治專區可是接下來呢 都是說這個電子煙要怎麼買啊那官網在哪裡啊那我請一下一下書法部好了 |
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這個其實打電子音你們都知道嘛那這個看到這個網站這個如入無人之境那到底我們有沒有在管理啊 |
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報告委員有關於電子煙的查處的工作是國建署的業務那我們現在也積極在協助這接觸上是你們在做處理的嘛你們有分這個境內跟境外的嘛對不對報告委員有關於點TW的部分我們目前為了配合這個國建署已經有移送了178件的案件那境外的部分勒境外的部分的話那如果國建署因為我們跟衛福部有參與那你先跟我講好了我現在看到這個齁 |
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這個網路上就是啊就是這些網站那這些網站怎麼處理這些網站怎麼處理還是要問國建署要如何處理當然那個副署長怎麼處理跟委員報告點TW是國建署五月的時候召開會議要求台灣NIC六月七月兩次會議之後呢在八月份台灣NIC點TW全數下架八十八件 |
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我先說明那現在網路上出現的這些都是境外的都是境外網域境外網域的部分最近上次未完委員會之後我們拜訪點TW我們大概會積極朝向限制解析的方式來做一些處理那我們會在這個更有結論的時候來跟委員做說明 |
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現在上次有提到說一些網路平台像Google或是Meta甚至像TikTok他們其實在11月1號他們都已經有設立這個法人代表了對不對這是書發部的書發部對不對報委員這部分我大概請我們素產署的副署長回答一下他馬上就這應該有確定因為你們電耐是10月31號吧因為是他的業務我不是非常清楚 |
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來來來說明一下是不是在10月31號都有完成這個指定法律的代表登記報告是的有嗎有有有對啊所以說如果說這個他們在這個網路平台上面那有這個違法的話我們找到法律代表嘛對不對是好那這個國建署這部分呢其實我們已經開始進行這些相關違規的這些裁處了對啊那現在就是說 |
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因為你已經有涉法律代表了那其實你去找說這個究責對象其實會更明確啦那可是呢就按照這個剛剛訴發部所講的齁如果我們要這個境外網站要封網的條件呢一個是經法院的判決跟裁定那第二個是要經過行政機關的處分嘛對不對那現在那法院判決又曠日飛時那行政機關的處分的話是不是能夠再加快勒 |
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是 沒錯 跟委員報告我們也跟22個縣市在討論現在已經有行政處分的話能不能盡速依行政法第36條移送給塔巴尼克做停滯解析的動作那大概那個時間咧我們大概一個月內一定會有一個具體的報告再跟委員做說明 |
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對 我是希望說第一個 境外的這些網路平台 他們都是用這些網路平台在賣嘛那所以在臺灣已經設法律代表了 那所以說在責任上面我覺得要加重財塔一定會 對那第二個就是說 這個我們如果要封網 那當然有一定的法律程序在行政機關處分這方面 那它的速度是不是真的加快程序是不是能夠縮短 |
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那如果這樣子的話是不是在這個11月底能夠有一個更清楚的一個這個程序跟他的做法再讓本席知道是的OK好謝謝好謝謝好謝謝李昆城委員接下來我們有請沈博洋委員質詢好謝謝主席那有請這個教育部長跟那個書發部的副署長謝謝 |
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好 有請鄭部長還有我們訴法部 |
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委員好你好那因為時間有限我想說趕快問因為我知道這個教文下午還要發案那我今天趁這個機會因為剛好書發跟教育部都在所以我想問一個就只有一個問題而已就是Trunk ClassTrunk Class是現在大學大部分都用的這一個課程的點名什麼系統我想教育部應該很清楚那你看各大學其實都有在使用那因為他也會拿到定位資訊所以說真的他能夠拿到的個資也算多 |
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那我發現就是在這一個之前還在治安處的那一個時候那個時候有說到底他是不是中國廠商那個時候說沒有他應該是台灣但我們後來去看了之後發現在這個董監事的資料裡面可以很清楚的看到他目前是港資啦那我知道那個時候認定港資跟現在認定港資標準不太一樣 |
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所以現在我們比較有疑慮的地方是因為他有港資那接下來可以看到他在西安這個智源軟件名字一模一樣他的軟體有沒有可能在中國研發因為他這邊有他的這個硬他按照中國的用語硬體跟軟體他寫硬件軟件然後他的開發是不是有可能是在中國 |
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這個對我們來講會有疑慮嗎?因為學生都在使用這樣的一個系統然後呢根據新北地方法院的一個地方判決也可以看到他有自己提到他是跟另外一家公司有價格上的爭議他有中國的子公司所以呢我們這邊並不是說港資完全不能用喔我們這邊最主要只是要先盤點那個風險因為他在中國有子公司他的軟體開發也可能在那一邊中國的工程師能不能拿到台灣的資料 |
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為什麼會有這樣的疑慮就是因為之前在這一個資安的回報裡面就已經有人回報說他能夠遠端攻擊的漏洞他有被回報過一次而且是在2023年2月蠻近的時候然後再來就是我們能夠在哔哩哔哩就中國的平台裡面看到還有人教學怎麼去破解這個Trump Class所以他會有一些資安的疑慮 |
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那有資安的疑慮對我們來講並不是說什麼我們現在就不要用這些系統不是而是希望教育部看能不能有機會跟事務發布一起稍微盤點一下這家公司有沒有可能相關的風險以及如果之後類似像這種要簽約的廠商等等之類可能要有一個SOP就是說因為這都是現在新型態的威脅那舊時代的可能有一些認定的方式可能比較不同所以在這邊稍微問一下事務發布跟教育部就這樣子而已 |
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那是不是看能不能簡短說明因為我怕時間謝謝委員的一個提醒我想我們跟書發部一起來合作如果有這一個我們講說有這些風險存在委員所提的風險跟遠端的監控這些我們一定會來禁止好對齁然後因為這是因為他現在他是港資嘛齁那他就是兩邊都有公司那他資料能不能夠確保說欸台灣的資料是不能不能夠被中國的工程師拿走又或者說他軟體如果在中國開發的話在這邊有沒有後門 |
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接下來我們有請黃建豪委員質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席我們先請教育部部長鄭部長那我們另外請這個衛福部的代表來另外請數法部的這個司長好 我們教育部然後國建署數法部 |
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委員好好部長好那個一開始我現在針對今天是電子煙但是呢一開始我先討論一下這國人啊我們在這個所謂的紙煙的部分最近有一個國建署有一個調查 |
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販售指煙給未成年人的通路業者的比例從近3年來,包含今年110、121、112這3年來,大概都有3成的比例是違規賣給未成年人這是國有影子組的統計所以今天要討論電子煙之前,我們先講 |
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是否能夠清楚? |
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跟委員報告這喬裝測試是我們從104年開始就跟消基會積極合作那從去年新法實施之後呢我們在喬裝測試裡面含電子煙跟所有的煙瓶都放成喬裝測試的部分但是因為市面上買不到電子煙所以未來就待會討論先講止煙的部分對止煙的部分就是用喬裝測試看到的結果就是這樣子那怎麼辦呢 |
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其實如果在校園等於這三年來應該說我們講我們列出來我先不管104年啦我先講這近三年110、110、110這三年來等於這個三成的比例是沒有動的所以你的稽查稽查完做什麼事情跟委員報告這分校內校外校內我們的喬裝測試是瞭解它整個淹害的環境那根據我們也是這個調查報告就是2.4%的校園它是OK的 |
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但是確實有17個校園就是我們最近兩波次的這個調查是需要改善的另外一個是在校園之外的店家泛煙的部分這我們也是積極查緝的一個重點來這樣喔因為校內當然是校規來處理這是教育部的事情但是校外我想很多問題都在校外啦我覺得老師教官都已經夠辛苦了你說這個他們的權利也有限那你要叫他們不能抽煙或是怎麼樣去抓一定的困難那我就想說在法律上面來講 |
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除了稽查之外既然看到這個稽查的成果每年的成果數字沒有變動的情況下表示不管目前學校內或學校外做的工作是有限的嘛沒有什麼成效啊所以希望說是在法律上面第一個通路上面如果他繼續販賣未成年人我們在懲處上面禁止他販賣這機會有沒有可行性啊 |
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通路上是不能販賣紫煙的是確定是不能販賣的所以他一定是在您提的這個PPT上面的這些商店來做實體販賣所以呢我們怎麼樣防範他放煙給未滿20歲的話這是我們查詢的重點 |
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好 謝謝那接下來再來談到這個電子煙的問題這個依據你們今天的報告有沒有去目前今年目前為止52萬件電子煙查緝只有開罰1370件成案率只有0.26%我要問一下你們查緝52萬件這個查緝的作為你們怎麼查緝去哪裡查緝查出52萬件 |
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其實其中的47萬是實體查查實體查查就是我們的縣市在聯合計查的時候會進到所有的商家來了解那3萬5千多件是網路查查這個剛好部長也了解一下這個國建署這邊也要了解一下既然這個電子煙目前最大的通路其實就不是實體通路 |
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所以你們花了47萬件如果在實體通路上我想這個稽查我不能說無效但是我覺得方向有點錯誤最實際的做法應該是後面那位數位部剛剛所有委員都提到了目前我們在網路上面能夠買到這個電子煙我想前面很多委員也提到這件事情 |
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包含昨天最新的這個新聞說你們針對高中生裁罰20萬那這實體的問題就是通路嘛剛委員提到啦那你們對於通路這種電子通路你們要怎麼去禁網你們要禁網嗎你們可以去禁嗎 |
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報告委員謝謝委員的追詢那網路上的事情大概基本上就回到實體世界那有關ENK的部分大概是國建署的這個權責那我們現在協助大概有幾個地方第一個就是網路平台的限制瀏覽或移除這部分的話會建綠色通道 |
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來沒關係也有時間到了我要先講之前這個創意司法的時候不管是數位部也好衛福部也好大家也是推來推去說因為法源怎麼樣怎麼樣所以不能進但是輿論關心之後馬上就能夠進了那今天我想問一下我們衛福部啊我也問一下教育部電子煙是合法還是非法的 |
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電子煙是非法他是非法的嘛既然他是非法我想數位部你就應該可以直接把它禁掉啊不用等什麼公文不用等什麼執行啊報告委員那個基本上現在所有中華民國法律有談到所謂的停止解析的部分包含兒少性侵防治條例家暴防治法性侵害防治法還有所謂的現在最剛過的打詐犯罪不管我說那這個是以電子煙為例你們能不能直接去禁嘛所以衛福部不管禁外禁內 |
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謝謝主席我們接下來有請楊瓊英委員謝謝主席本席邀請部長有請鄭部長 |
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委員好部長好我想根據國建署110年的調查我們全台超過7.9萬名青少年在使用電子煙那這個是顯性的數字隱性的數字我相信還增加很多 |
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這個驚人的數字我們非常的清楚電子煙目前在台灣是非法的 對不對但是它已經這麼普遍而且電子煙的載具已經成為毒品吸食的工具這個讓我們真的很憂心上司煙彈藉由這樣子來滲透我們所有青少年的生活 |
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原本早期的尼古丁現在變成了這個是非常號稱非常飛行的而且他的這個又很淡而且還有香味導致我們很多的孩子也不知道這個是這麼的危險所以這個議題是大家都非常的關心所以本期要請教部長在我們的校園裡頭我們有沒有這個檢測跟管理的方案 |
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尤其我們的老師甚至我們的老師他很單純他也不知道這個危險性那怎麼樣去防範呢尤其我們一再強調水手在網路上面都可以賣都可以賣在這樣子公開的訊息明明他是違法的我們政府的橫向聯繫怎麼做呢所以本期要請教部長 |
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謝謝委員關心我們這個校園一個更友善這個安全的一個學習環境那我們老師 |
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我們事實上老師當然本身他不是這個煙毒的專家但是我們會透過研習然後有研習嗎有有我們事實上我們煙害環制法裡邊我們有還有這一個所謂的這一個重點中心學校我們也都透過在許多老師的許多的課程教材的一個發展讓老師也理解到這一些 |
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辨識到這些煙毒包含電子煙你認為目前所做成效OK嗎我想應該是說外面的這些挑戰越來越大那對老師的挑戰當然也在增加所以部長我們討論到現在本席也就希望你們還要精進方案怎麼樣的方式讓老師更加了解因為老師很辛苦他有的甚至不知道這個嚴肅性到這種嚴重性 |
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但是我們希望老師能夠更放心的安心的教學所以我們才會希望說我們在社區家長跟一些民間的團體商家大家一起來努力那甚至我們也不排斥就是說如果當發現學生有這樣攜帶的時候他的一個來源我們一定會清查清楚 |
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一定要清查清楚所以有民間團體建議政府應該設立全國統一的校園懲戒標準有它的明確的處理流程因為現在你沒有大家不知道怎麼處理所以目前的社會面向是很嚴峻的 |
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是很嚴重的而且它的比例數字是一直在上升所以我們很緊張那怎麼辦呢有這個民間團體有人這樣建議部長你的看法呢要不要去一個專案去研討我們到底要怎麼懲戒我們整個SOP流程要怎麼做 |
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我想怎麼樣精進我們就陳儒剛才也有委員特別提到說怎麼樣讓年輕人他們表達為什麼他們會吸引因為從過去的一個調查各項的方式當然多元的面向你們做一個專案去研討好不好去研討針對於要怎麼管理要怎麼處理應該要有一個研討的方案是 |
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是不是我想這些怎樣精進我們一定會研究的你們多久時間可以研究出來你給我們一個時間因為每個家長都好緊張 |
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那是不是我們給委員一個月後一個月的時間對一個方向請全國的家長放心我們教育部會在一個月後提出怎麼樣去應對那特別在數位部的部分他明明是違法他怎麼可以上那你數位部就應該要撤除啊你應該要移除啊有沒有這麼做 |
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這就是我們期待這個跨部會能夠合作能夠積極地面對這個問題所以我剛剛說一個月內你就把跨部會找來政府橫向必須要做數位部違法的你們是不是主動像這危害到我們孩子的健康是不是主動移除來數位部回答一下是 報委員這份是國建署的在查詢的工作國建署 |
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接下來我們有請 |
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| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
麥玉珍委員質詢麥玉珍委員質詢 |
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想要請教一下因為我們的煙害防治法已經上路就是一年多了但是呢我們想要請教一下當前的防範措施與校園的宣導有夠力嗎還是說有確保我們的青少年還有我們的家長有充分了解說這個電子煙 |
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衛生福利部國民健康署配合教育部的校園陰害防治計畫有將電子煙的危害 |
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包括幼兒園、國小、國中都有做成教學包跟數位教材提供教育部在現場教學的時候可以告訴學生對,但是為什麼還會有那麼多8萬多人還在稀釋所以你們宣傳的效果如何?對,跟教育部的合作我們會持續來做進行但對於整個大眾的宣導我們確實要再繼續加強 |
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因為每次質詢每個部會都說努力中砸搶中但是不知道到什麼才是中所以聽到都長繭了所以我們希望說針對青少年的電子煙它就是成為一個上癮的問題所以我們的煙酒公司是民營還是私營還公營民營還是公營財政部 |
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這個煙酒公司是財政部管轄對管轄下就是最大的毒品公司所以說連這個部分都沒有辦法去阻止的話我們的孩子我們孩子在學校誰來保護還有就是我們如何讓我們的小孩去戒菸所以這一進一步的怎麼杜絕怎麼讓 |
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這個電子煙不要進入學校還有禁止我們的青少年去使用這個部分有沒有具體的措施不要在研議中或者討論中還有說是哪一個部會是要來負責的因為剛才我們楊委員也是問說誰負責的誰要來去提出具體的合作的方案 |
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我覺得電子煙它的主政單位是衛福部沒有問題但是電子煙施行在各個場域下面比如包括校園或者其他的部分確實需要其他主政單位來一起負責對 剛才因為我聽質詢的時候就是說我們已經網路要下架但是我們就是還是在網路還可以看到 |
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因為我們在聽你們 聽其他委員質詢的時候 你們說已經下架了 已經禁止了但是呢 這個是誰在管理 誰在讓這些電子煙還有就是這個販售網路 不管是網路 或者是走私 或者是實體 |
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電子煙的這個網路販售的過程我剛剛已經說明跟委員再次報告如果是境內的部分經過國建署跟這個臺灣臺網中心的合作境內只要點TW已經全部下架全部封網 |
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我們其實非常 |
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你覺得說這個電子煙不只影響到我們小孩子的健康還有影響他的學習還有他的生活這個是很大的大家都是去關心的所以也是如果是因為這樣子沒有去管理或者各個部會沒有橫向沒有共同來去協助的話引發 |
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後面才會產生說我們有那個依托彌子的在進入校園所以我們就是希望我們各部會要跨部會的去合作有個具體的計畫才能真正的解決這個問題我也是希望說我本來是要求說一個禮拜但是剛才楊委員說要一個月我希望說有一個具體的 |
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有請部長 |
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有請鄭部長,部長慢慢來部長今天看起來有比較累喔委員好,謝謝委員的提要要坐著嗎?不用謝謝不要客氣喔 |
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好那進入主題之前我先請問一下部長幾個問題馬街醫院呢欲改制為馬街醫學大學的一個進度這幾年馬街醫院的招生因為學校科系的屬性關係他們所有的科系招生非常的亮眼那科系跟畢業後的工作是可以連結的比如國內的醫院缺醫師護理師馬街有護理醫檢相關科系 |
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所以國內社會對這個驗光師有需求馬街醫院最近幾年也在教育部的同意之下設視光學系請問部長馬街醫學院也有向教育部提出改制為馬街醫學大學申請案請問目前辦理的進度改制有沒有遇到什麼困難 |
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沒有的,跟委員報告,我們按照一切這個專科以上學校的這些這個變更啊,或者要這個升格等等的這些的辦法,我們是按照程序來做。所以他,我們在,我們接著是要去馬街去做這個學校實地的訪查。對對對,所以你剛剛說沒有的意思是說,沒有遇到困難,是嗎? |
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我們按照程序對所以沒有沒有基本上我說在程序上沒有任何問題我們會幾月要去實地勘察是幾月 |
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什麼時候要去實地勘查?可不可以給我一個明確的時機?我們12月的時候會我們事實上在10月底已經含糊學校這個書面審查的意見那目前排是在12月的時候會去學校實地勘查一切如果順利都沒有什麼問題的話預計幾月會有辦理完成那接著就是還有一個程序就是私校的一個諮詢委員會會開會 開完會以後就會確認多久會開一次會? |
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我們在1月的時候會召開這個事項好所以12月看1月去召開委員會通過委員會的話就可以改是嗎是沒有錯那我們希望過年前會有好的消息我想公私力大家一起來努力因為畢竟我們現在對於整個醫院缺醫檢師護理師剛剛有說過我們都希望能夠趕快補足這些人力那也這個部分希望教育部能夠重視 |
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好那今天的專報呢名稱叫做電子煙入侵校園危害青少年防制的一個檢討其實我覺得更應該深入的講我們都知道現在台灣的電子煙害防治法規定類是類煙品是被全面禁止是不能使用但現在每天新聞我們都可以看到依託名字也就是俗稱的殭屍煙我想今天大家都在討論這件事情 |
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那大家都說它是電子煙但嚴格來說這個藉由電子煙的載具將毒液裝在煙袋裡面於木混珠也就是說我們今天在討論的不僅是涉及到煙害也涉及到毒害教育部在這個方面責任我覺得是非常的重大首先電子煙的外型多樣且與傳統的香煙來相比 |
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煙霧相對不易察覺聞也聞不出個所以然所以學校在日常的管理中難以及時發現學生使用電子煙的行為例如學生使用電子煙通常不可能在教室比較常出現的可能在廁所走廊不易發現的一個地方教育部有沒有針對這樣的狀況提供學校一個具體的應對方法讓學校有更有效的去面對來做規範而不是只是告訴學校宣導要多加注意 |
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有沒有什麼具體的規範因為我們確實校園裡邊他是會有不定期我們的這個學校創新以及校安人員我們的學務我們的老師事實上他會不定期對學校剛才委員所提的廁所啦或者一些所謂的一些可能的學生的對那個基本都要做的那些我們都有基本都有那我還是回到剛剛的電子煙察覺不易我記得以前我們在國中的時候都還看過 |
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請教育部長鄭英耀、衛生福利部長鄭英耀 |
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我們希望說這個部分有沒有具體的一些方法來協助各個學校、校園而不是只是宣導說學校要多加注意那再來我們要知道我們在這個衛黃委員會一直不斷的提議一坨米子或是相關這些要更有效的去管制甚至要把它列為毒品升級才能夠更有效可是問題現在我們回到實際面在校園將私菸就是將毒液裝在煙袋裡 |
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主席 |
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我們目前檢測的設備還是是沒有的我們大概就從學生的行為跟看到有具體的一個事證那我們會把這樣的一個他這個稀釋的這些證據送給這個法醫所裡面去做進一步的這個證據的一個部長就部裡面的資料電子煙現在的數量在校園裡面你們有統計嗎 |
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校園裡邊我們目前通報是電子煙是有38件大概就是說量是不高但是成為委員事實上也很清楚你覺得有沒有黑數應該是說在校園裡邊的上課時間老師跟學員互動大概學生在這個部分相對是比較少的但是他離開校園裡邊在社區同樣的青年同才他們可能來自於好奇來自於 |
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其他的可能的因素他們會稀釋的一個比例我想會在社區會在校園外抽這樣子的不僅是吸引我相信這也會有陰影所以在外面會抽在校園內也無可避免38起我個人認為調查不一定夠紮實所以有沒有黑數我相信一定有那38起裡面或者是教育部的資料裡面有沒有依託名指的出現在校園裡面 |
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目前沒有好目前沒有但是我們希望不要有但我們擔心會有所以我希望在這樣子的一個違禁品當中我們大家都知道現階段校園的一些無奈學生很聰明那老師很難查 |
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目前他確實是學校在校規上他是有一些規範的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
我先請國建署副署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
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煙害防制法明定未滿20歲不得吸煙也就是台灣的禁煙年齡是20歲請問法修完了嗎?已經去年3月22號公布實施成效如何?有沒有具體的落實?校園就此安寧了嗎?你覺得呢? |
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剛剛說這個教育部的資料有38件其實跟委員報告當然教育部的內部的資料38件那因為在兩個禮拜前未完委員會有要求所以我們有跟縣市溝通目前縣市回報回來的透過校外跟警政校內跟學校的這個合作大概有上千件那現在正進行過濾跟查處中 |
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校外跟警政有上千件對 這個加起來我們在稽查的過程你會發現違規使用電子煙的上千件所以政部長剛剛我說的38件跟上千件這中間的一個差距我們沒有要怪罪教育部但是我相信這個查緝的確困難 |
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但是實際面的確有對就我所了解電子煙是非常盛行的所以在這個部分上一定要特別小心注意前天11月5號有一則新聞高中生一時好玩上網貼電子煙的照片遭南投衛生局重罰20萬部長你知道為什麼他要被罰20萬嗎?部長你知道嗎?因為我們報告他就是張貼這一個電子煙的一個訊息 |
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這還是最重要的一個關鍵現在反而變成學生在當菸頭 |
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原頭的不斷在提升根本就沒有做好所以教育部跟衛福部怎麼互相合作加強這個因應措施從青少年的部分來處理副署長衛福部在源頭斷根上不要放水就阿彌陀佛了但是據傳網路平台業者FBIGD卡有去找衛福部開會希望不要抓得那麼嚴有沒有這一回事 |
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其實我們從去年3月22號執行新法之後到目前為止我們是定期跟業者來做溝通的對那業者有沒有反應不要抓這麼嚴我們依法行政勿往勿中那其實我先問你他們有沒有反應這種事嗎一定是依法行政我跟您報告是我們都在溝通我相信你會依法行政但我要了解平台有沒有在反應這些事情 |
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我相信大家都覺得執法上面不管是那個小朋友犯煙或者是平台業者大家都覺得我們這個法煙害防治法本身就是一個比較嚴肅的法律我希望這個是嚴肅以待認真看待依法行政而且是一定要非常的嚴格去執行如果都沒有這一回事怎麼可能網路上一直都有賣電子煙的廣告跟管道電子煙變成許多平台的大宗 |
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14300.7 |
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14317.612 |
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瞭解買廣告的一個業者所以如果都沒有接受到業者關心請你告訴全國大眾針對網路平台的裁罰狀況目前是多少目前我們裁罰的件數到10月底的是3萬多件3萬多件對然後目前正在積極做裁處的動作 |
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我希望能夠再提升這方面的查緝甚至是裁罰能夠標準能夠再將這些件數持續的穩定提高所以衛福部110年青少年吸煙行為調查報告全國7.9萬青少年吸食電子煙1.6萬吸食加熱煙因為政府在源頭上管理有放水電子煙取得容易這是不爭的事實 |
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14367.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
大家都知道所以才會有7.9萬的青少年吸食加熱煙當煙頭校園的電子煙問題就會日漸的嚴重所以我想政府要不要做我們都看得很清楚實際拿出作為讓我們這些家長安心實際拿出這個作為讓整個社會安心而不是我們看到某些部會在放水而某些部會一直在努力的想要辦法在中間亡羊補牢在中間插屁股 |
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14373.996 |
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所以我希望這是一個各部會要一起互相合作的問題我們一起來努力,好嗎?謝謝委員,謝謝委員好,我們謝謝羅廷薇委員接下來我們有請林月琴委員,諮詢時間4分鐘 |
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14395.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
14398.241 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
請教育部、數法部、警政署 |
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14418.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
14436.196 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
從我們的衛福部國民健康署110年的健康促進的統計年報可以看到高中職的學生在抽所謂的紫煙的那個比例事實上是下降的反而事實上是電子煙事實上是呈現上升的那2018年到2020年 |
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14439.238 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
14452.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
從3.4成長到8.8那雙倍增長那今天事實上想因為我們在去年3月22號我們的《煙害防制法》的部分條文已經修正通過然後是全面禁止電子煙 |
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| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
14468.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
主題是希望大家一起來關切怎麼防範青少年去遠離偽裝成電子煙的新型毒品所以想問部長到底目前為什麼因為你的煙 |
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14470.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
14485.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
是會去通報給衛生局如果是毒的話會通報給警政所以想問第一個在整個校園回報的電子煙當中當中有多少的是毒品偽裝成煙品的有掌握數據嗎 |
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14488.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
14508.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
跟委員報告剛剛有報告過38件那38件我們送驗目前是還沒有但是額外我們有發現有16件在別的管道通報下有一坨米子大概有這樣子的情形謝謝 |
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14510.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
衛生局或警政? |
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14525.982 |
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所以學校因為國家行動聯盟才在講說政府事實上缺乏我們的檢測手段所以我覺得不知道你們現在用什麼樣方式因為桃園也有議員是捐試劑給我們的警察局所以我不知道現在教育部有沒有什麼方法手段對於這樣的檢測到底是菸還是裡面含有毒 |
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像這樣子比較特別新興的我們都會跟法務部毒品研究中心合作那我們也有一些委託關係透過比較好的八五合一的試劑這一些持續的更新這些都跟警政單位學習最新的新興毒品所以現在有拿到試劑事實上在學校裡邊事實上只要電子煙就先驗這樣子嗎 |
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不管販毒者自行成立網站 |
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左手邊的照片可以知道來自我們的社群平台在這樣的狀況底下青少年要透過避開家長他事實上很容易在網路上買到所以想問警政單位我們的副局長是不是知道你現在在查獲的案件當中有哪些管道是可以讓我們的青少年可以購買到這樣的一個電子煙跟新興毒品 |
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謝謝委員我想在網路企圖這部分也是我們警政工作的一個重點那當然網路它有很多引以那我們查緝研警會從這一些引以還有他周遭這一部分來做一個只要有發現有販毒的這個嫌疑的話我們就會立案來做一件偵查你現在目前就你知道的目前大概就是從我們這個社群廣告它有一些會刊登一些廣告出來 |
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報告委員就是我們目前就是說只要知道這些訊息我們就會立刻就是通知這些社群的平台還有那個無電面的一些工協會跟這些C2C的這些電商平台 |
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14677.535 |
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14680.239 |
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請教育部長鄭英耀、衛生福利部長鄭英耀、衛生福利部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
14696.57 |
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| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
教育部部長鄭英耀教育部長鄭英耀教育部長鄭英耀 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
14714.105 |
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14714.725 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
致詢發言委員 |
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好 感謝昭緯 有請部長好 有請鄭部長 |
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部長早安我想今天主要就是除了想跟您討論為什麼陰害防制到現在都沒有成功另外還有關於暴險少年為什麼會接觸毒品的問題那我想那個之前我其實就有開過記者會那記者會上其實有談到就是有五大原因那包含我這邊所講的 |
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就是加緊過低然後最重要的就是教學兼行政導致過勞的問題那那個過勞的問題呢我想其實我上次是跟教師公會或是代理教師公會一起討論的那結果呢就是過勞的問題教育部也非常了解嘛你們正在在行政的部分上怎麼樣支持他們對不對 |
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可是今天呢我們看教育部的報告就會發現其實你們行之有您的計畫裡面的都是要各校訂定煙防計畫擬定流程那包含這裡面都是說怎麼樣增能老師對不對怎麼樣輔導老師甚至希望他們去發展教材所以我在想說在教師已經過勞行政工作過量的情況下那再加給他們這麼多的工作會不會繼續 |
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這次教育部去年發布的校園危害防制實施計畫分工表 |
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那教育部指示有以下任務需要完成前面包含就是擬定煙害防制政策後面戒煙教育策略主辦單位部長應該很了解都是各級學校 |
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那如果都是各級學校學校又去叫老師教育部又鼓勵老師開發教材然後怎麼樣的話那會不會只是加重老師的負擔然後老師的負擔然後收到教育部的各種指示已經非常多了那其實就沒有辦法效果很好 |
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那我想我這邊這個PPT好像有點狀況那我這邊準備了一個教育部防制學生的毒物濫用的實施計畫我比照了一下發現非常的不一樣在那個計畫裡面一個是教育部統籌協調學校只要負責執行跟通報 |
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那另外一個呢那也就是說是地方教育局處會協助不是學校自己要全權主辦那另外一個就是你們的毒物濫用的防制實施計畫裡面會清楚的指出哪個單位要做什麼 |
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可不可以參考校園防毒嚴擬你們的校園煙防計劃的2.0 |
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14948.938 |
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就是重新去思考那個分工然後考量老師已經過勞行政工作已經無法減量的情況下有一個新的據說評估新的可能性 |
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謝謝委員提醒確實我們也一直在努力我們希望老師不要再做太多的一些非等於說跟他教學專業無關的事情也希望能夠在行政能夠減量這都是我們在努力的那剛才跟委員報告我們這裡邊的許多的課程教材 |
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的一些防制包括電子煙事實上國建署已經有開發不同教育階段的這些的教材我們本來也就都可以來鼓勵老師在這一個裡面現有的來使用那當然有部分的學校裡面 |
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因地制宜 包含也不是每一個科目的老師他都要去開發這個教材我們譬如說輔導老師專任他的一個這個輔導的課程班級輔導的一些課程或者生涯發展的課程他怎麼樣去協助學生有更多的的這些陰害防制的這些我想這我們並不是每一個科目的老師都要去教 |
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但是我們有義務讓老師知道我們面臨的教學上的挑戰的一些許多電子煙的各式各樣的因為時間的緣故沒有辦法讓你再繼續講那我想做的事情就是教育部可以承諾一下去評估有沒有可能就是讓分工然後不要由學校再來主辦這個校園防制計畫然後是能夠由教育部主辦然後能夠讓地方教育局處的角色也更清楚呢 |
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15063.585 |
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我想謝謝委員提醒我們怎麼樣在行政減量我們去規範沿著跟地方來合作看怎麼樣來讓這一個煙毒的防制能夠真正的落實而不增加老師額外的一些 |
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15064.445 |
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15065.666 |
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高檢署公佈毒品的情況,尤其是所謂的彩虹菸 |
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15087.799 |
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實際上就是有向下的趨勢現在就是國中生現在出來了學生施用新興毒品年紀小到國中生都有接獲相關的通報而且警方研判有就是施用的黑數特別是這個新聞是跟三級毒品彩虹煙合成卡西銅類的毒品致死率其實增加是蠻高的那部長您怎麼打算怎麼回應這個毒品使用 |
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年輕化的趨勢呢?年輕化其實就是在國教的範圍內部長有沒有什麼想法? |
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15131.633 |
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我想加強先導這是一定要的那第二個就是我們在源頭裡面怎麼樣去跨部會來阻斷那第三個當然我們老師其實我們老師現場老師也都累積很多的經驗他會看到學生的學習的這些行為然後怎麼樣去做適度的一些那剛剛部長講得很好那你認為這個源頭是什麼就是這個校園毒品的源頭在哪裡 |
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15163.202 |
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15176.577 |
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我想這個來自於這個一般就是有利可圖外界的一定有人有利可圖他們是怎麼樣讓圖品可以進入校園的 |
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15178.306 |
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15200.075 |
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我相信這也是我們看到這一個行政院最近在努力在打詐、防詐、防毒、煙毒等等的這些系列性的我相信這一個從這一個不良幫派的那一些系統當然也是一個進入校園的一個可能的因素那不良幫派已經事實上是教育部已經沒有辦法處理了對不對 |
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打詐資訊 |
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15231.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
15241.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
為什麼找中離生因為他們不受學校特定人員的驗尿之拘束那因此比較不容易發生中離生作為媒介毒品才能進校園為什麼中離生有那個網絡他會認識學校的同學 |
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15272.321 |
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所以如果你直接認為曝險學生是毒品來源那可是這個部分就是說我們要更精確的是哪些學生那中離生至少是我們在相關的研究中看到的第一個的所謂的源頭外界有利可圖當然是大家找誰是中離生那另外就是他找了中離生之後校園中根據警察大學的教授的研究 |
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他其實是找就是個案在校生活適應不良的學生因為他是屬於低自我控制的特徵他才基本上對毒品的一個抗拒力比較低而且毒品可能能夠去讓他去麻痹他生活中的不舒服 |
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15291.016 |
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我就是兩個﹗ |
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15320.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
15323.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
教育部部長鄭英耀、衛生福利部長鄭英耀、衛生福利部長鄭英耀、衛生福利部長鄭英耀、衛生福利 |
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15351.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
15352.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
部長多久內可以給我這個報告呢 |
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15376.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
15378.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
接下來我們有請翁曉琳委員質詢,時間4分鐘有請部長有請鄭部長 |
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15430.61 |
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委員好部長好今天針對電子煙入侵校園這件事情很多委員很關心也是很多家長非常關心的一件事情我想請教部長您認為吸煙的問題跟吸毒的嚴重程度是不是相當 |
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15432.796 |
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15450.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
我想吸菸當然有很多的研究確實它可以紓解壓力當然也有一些原因是來自青少年的一些好奇心但是菸毒的這個毒品它當然對身心這個發展的影響是更明確更具體的 |
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15480.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
是,可是事實上已經蠻多的研究也認為說其實吸菸跟吸毒對於身心的還有生理健康的危害程度基本上是差不多相當的了因為毒品有是分等級嘛所以呢本期現在要強調的是說如果說現在校園裡面吸毒的這個吸毒的學生是要通報的那麼為什麼對於吸菸的學生現在教育部這裡有要求學校建立一套通報制度嗎 |
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15503.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
我們當然是還是有一套的一個通報機制但是學生的這個我們還是根據學生的一些行為他會有怎麼樣去規勸怎麼樣去協助他我先這樣講好了就是你們現在到底有沒有掌握到現在國中小的這個學生就是高中以下的學生有多少人有吸電子煙你們有實際的數據嗎 |
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15509.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
15528.009 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
每個學校裡面他們有沒有做統計分析他們到底有多少學生有吸電子煙吸電子煙的部分目前通報是38件只有38件那請問一下為什麼只有38件明明我看到整個的報告裡面就是吸電子煙的學生的比例是逐年的提高可是呢你們通報卻只有38件 |
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15529.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
15552.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
跟委員報告因為學生因為以我們我想委員非常清楚我們現在中小學的上課的方式他們其實是課程還蠻緊湊的所以比較多的一個反應他合理的一個推測在校外放學以後立假日同儕的一個或者基於好奇心他確實因為如果他 |
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15554.313 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
15567.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
謝謝部長您的說明因為我剛剛聽在前面我原有這樣問我現在想問一下在校園內在校園內如果學生有吸電子煙到底學校有沒有可能發現老師有沒有這個權利去檢查學生的書包您認為有權利去檢查學生的書包嗎 |
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15570.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
15581.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
我們基本上我們在並不會去做普遍的這一些普查我們會針對老師來自於他的生活的經驗教學的累積的經驗他今天有了生活的經驗他也發現這個學生確實是有帶電子煙然後可能也有吸電子煙他可以去檢查書包嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
15594.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
15619.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
我告訴部長依照您這邊所訂定的學校訂定的教師輔導與管教學生辦法注意事項裡面的規定對於校園安全的檢查進行的方式裡面規定的很清楚啊坦白說學校真的要去搜查學生的書包要去了解這學生有沒有吸電子煙有沒有攜帶電子煙他程序非常的複雜以本席看來基本上不太可能做得到 |
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15625.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
15650.003 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
這個問題其實就反映在過去學生攜帶危險物品進入校園的道理是一樣的現在教育部將這個學生輔導將管教學生的注意事項定定的極為嚴格嚴格到是根本老師也無能為力也不想去承擔那個之後被家長提告的相關的責任他不會要去檢查書包的 |
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15655.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
15680.765 |
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簡單來說本席認為要防範要這個防止電子煙入侵校園最好的方式就是你們要重新去檢討這個注意事項要去釐清到底電子煙、煙品跟毒品如果說在學校有犯案的狀況的話怎麼樣能夠讓老師有更有這個權利可以去檢查學生所攜帶的物品這才是根本解決之道否則的話我認為其他都是妄談好 謝謝 |
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好謝謝翁曉琳委員接下來我們有請鍾嘉斌委員質詢時間一樣4分鐘主席在場的委員先進列席的政府機關社長、官員、會長、工作夥伴、媒體記者女士先生有請政部長還有法務部的郭司長、數發部的牛司長國建署的賈副署長以及行政警察局的陳副局長好謝謝以上五位 |
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委員好部長不好意思因為今天你的部分比較少我就簡單的說今天我們在講電子煙你知道所謂的喪屍煙彈就是所謂的伊托米子它事實上放在電子煙吸食的你大概知道吧請問國建署的副署長那如果我們把這個喪屍煙彈改三級改二級你是否支持 |
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什麼叫二級毒品?二級毒品叫什麼?安非他命、大麻、搖頭丸、三乙是K他命你覺得喪屍煙案有沒有到二級的程度那麼嚴重?我們尊重法務部的決定法務部決定呢? |
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本委員報告我們將在下個禮拜的11月14號要召開審議委員會如果通過了就會改列部長謝謝您 待會您看螢幕就可以了我問這句問其他人好 來 國縣署請教一下電子煙透過網路銷售你們報告說網路上看到的所謂的電子糖果也可能是假冒的電子煙上四月份也是如此那目前在網路平台上所查售查獲的銷售的違禁品你們是財閥平台財閥賣家還是都罰都罰 |
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都罰 都罰 那麥家草都到嗎麥家目前我們採 確實比較困難但是跟委員報告麥家我們現在採除了115件好 麥家草來往前 繼續我們那個牛司長還有 來我們看看 跟你講一個過程來 很快的 |
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通常呢,賣違禁品他找到人頭在電商平台,被抓到就裁罰平台但是呢,如果這個人頭也被裁罰的話呢他就再換個人頭,就有無限的循環其實呢,最困難的是什麼你裁罰平台,可能但是你要裁罰到人頭因為有的人是持售出借或者他宣稱被盜用,我們可能看下一頁其實呢,上市有沒有可能循這個方式銷售呃,陳副局長,刑事警察局有沒有可能會不會用這個電商平台銷售 |
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我想他包裝的形式很多,這個我們也不太清楚那請問一下檢法務部司長出借平台帳號販售違禁煙品有沒有什麼法律責任到目前為止可能幫助犯的部分還可以用得上那這個可能要個案來OK,出借平台其實遇到的法律制裁相對的風險低往下看所以我們看一下電商平台,請問牛司長是不是要落實KYC |
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這部分我們素產署正在處理當中那我等一下請素產署好來我繼續講目前我們素產署第三方置戶的時候他可以自願加入能量登錄但是如果你不加入你就沒辦法用洗防法來約束他因此如果他加入你可以落實KYCKYC說你出現人頭你就不能推脫但是他如果不加入你不能確定他是被盜用所以被抓到的話他都宣稱說我是被盜用署長副署長是不是這樣子 |
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目前是要求都是要用實名的方式。謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
15916.792 |
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目前要求對阿德福能量登錄事實上差很多往下看什麼意思呢詐騙去哪有三種方法他不用進入你的三方支付比如說我在7月4號就問過了他用條碼現金掃條碼去換什麼虛擬貨幣或他用外國信用卡我在10月26號問過財政委員會或者說他透過直播主他去買點數他用遊戲點數來充當賣給直播主其實這個過程都查不到您知道嗎 |
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都查不到嗎?你查不到路徑嗎?那請問司長那個法務部的司長查不到路徑你能夠罰嗎?因為我們個案上找不到真正的被告是的,所以找不到嘛所以就遏止不了往下看所以呢我在10月7號的時候呢問過我們部長部長說欸我們在平台上無法追征的這個教育用洗髮法納管你支持點數也要納管嗎?牛司長那時候部長是不是都支持?是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
副主長 |
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因為時間的關係你講不出來我告訴你今天為什麼我的重點要讓部長知道讓政務部長知道因為現在透過很多網路上下一頁我們用遊戲點數用其他的方式主管機關如果不能要求電商平台達到所有的都要納管KYC金流的部分 |
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15985.953 |
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平台沒有鬧管KYC你就是在家中裁罰平台這些人頭還是很容易找到啦他也不用去繳交犯罪所得所以 最後一頁好 我們往下看齁 最後一頁齁所以呢 電商平台販售的這個鼻息棒政務長 最後一題問你齁你知道有著鼻息棒嗎現在學生可以去買鼻息棒喔它是電子煙的替代品有沒有聽過沒有聽過署長彭署長 你有沒有聽過鼻息棒 |
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請教育部要嚴防學生現在如果沒有電子煙他們就用這個方式取代最後我的結論主席站起來了是不是請我們在座包括我們的政部長包括我們的訴發署 |
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法務部,透過人頭於網路平台上洗錢及電商平台販售違禁品,有效溯源去溯源犯罪者,以點數交易者異同,用這個方案提出了一個出面報告。 |
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可以協助教育部你們要認真看這一本這本就知道現在的學生怎麼樣去弄了謝謝謝謝主席謝謝各位謝謝鍾嘉斌委員各位請回座因為不好意思真的我們兩點還有一個法案協商所以不好意思那接下來我們有請林楚英委員林楚英委員林楚英委員不在陳冠廷委員陳冠廷委員陳冠廷委員不在鄭振賢委員鄭振賢委員鄭振賢委員不在接下來我們有請葉元芝委員質詢時間8加2 |
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麻煩請教育部、衛福部、法務部、警政署、事務發布以上五位,謝謝委員好A4部長好 |
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16106.792 |
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我們今天討論電子煙那剛剛也有很多人提到現在很多毒品透過電子煙的形式讓大家可以用這個方式來吸毒特別是有一個新興毒品叫伊托蜜酯這個毒品現在大家大家都非常關注為什麼呢光是三個月內就有兩個警察因為跟就是這些毒價的關係有人毒價關係所以上升不幸的殉職大家都非常難過 |
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但我們發現說針對這一個新興的毒品我們現在政府的管制還是非常的遲緩這個毒非常的恐怖為什麼它叫做上司煙彈或上司毒是因為吸了之後就會跟殭屍一樣它會沒有失去知覺這麼恐怖 |
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那照道理來講我們政府單位應該要想辦法全面的防避讓這個毒品來販售嘛可是你知道它有多氾濫嗎我給各位在場的所有官員看一下我們隨便在網路上都找得到耶這是在臉書隨便你只要Google關鍵字它的學名或者是中文依托咪子就有人在賣 |
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除了這樣就算了還有社團有一個公開社團專門在討論這個依託彌子然後甚至於在討論怎麼交易用什麼方式交易呢我跟你講多誇張好不好這是另外在臉書上查到的啦 |
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那你如果去跟他對話我的助理去跟他對話問他要怎麼買他說你哪個地區臺北市可以面交嗎可以啊我們現在的臺北市首都居然可以面交去買毒品欸我先問我先問那個蘇阿布蘇阿布是師長是不是你們對於網路的控管到底是怎麼樣 |
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報告委員這涉及刑事案件是警政署在處理所以不關你們書發部的事啊不是因為這是網路欸大家對於書發部的期待都是希望能夠針對網路有些犯罪行為書發部要用你們的網路技術來做防弊嘛結果你居然說這是警政署的事好謝謝書發部我知道你們態度了那警政署書發部說是你們的事啊是你們辦事不利啦所以網路社團才出現這個狀況你可以接受嗎 |
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報告委員 我想我們網路查緝這一塊我們也是投了很多心力啦但是我們也有網路 專門在網路刑查如果這部分有這些信息我們都會立案欸 Google關鍵字查得到啊Google需要花你多少時間需要多少多少回答啊 |
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我想網站查你當然很快對啊那為什麼你們會查不到那你們如果說查不到你請書發部透過一些程式方式屏蔽可不可以可不可以根委員報告這兩部分你剛才講的這部分也許我們地區有在立案偵查因為是個案的方式我這個不是很清楚但是如果說個案當然你不清楚嘛我現在講的是說隨便都搜得到嘛我覺得我光跟書發部光跟檢討講話我就覺得難怪這個毒品會這麼氾濫的嘛 |
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一個書發布說不管我的事你們連透過你們的網路技術去防避你都覺得跟你無關另外警政署說哎呀我們今天很辛苦了啦然後自己又承認說啊Google當然很容易啊你們兩個機關到底知道你們在講什麼嗎 |
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16320.307 |
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好 你們到底知道在講什麼嗎好 繼續 我們繼續來看喔我們其實實際上是編了很多的防毒的預算嘛總共分三期第一期編了100億好 第二期150億我們現在正要編第三期150億這是你們的預算分配啦其中我們的 |
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16354.991 |
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防毒的預算大概超過一半都是用在戒毒那在驗毒的部分大概只編了7.69而已啊只編了7.69那最誇張是什麼呢請問一下警政署你們現在有沒有在買脫民衣紙的快篩試劑有沒有 |
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目前我們已經有配花九千七百七九千七嘛對不對對然後你覺得夠嗎當然這個後期我們會你覺得夠嗎你覺得夠嗎目前在數量上當然還有在不足但是對好那請教一下現在不夠的原因是因為你你覺得太貴沒有經費還是你買不到跟委員報告因為一脫名職六月三十幾是進來的事那第七所以是買不到是不是不是買不到因為還是沒有經費在第一章本來這個 |
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願賭的經費都地方在編列啦地方編列所以又退給地方那地方經費夠不夠你有去問嗎因為都新增了業務啊事實上我們在今年啦我們在年底我們最近也剛撥了一筆經費給地方要他們來購買這一些相關的東西那所以會跟你們警政署無關了是地方的事我們已經警政署編列一整排資源給地方我跟您報告喔九千七根本就不夠啦很多地方的派出所只分到一支啦那一支他不敢用啦 |
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因為只有一支啦,政局一支寶啦,不敢用啦。我們總共有一千六百多個派出所,你如果加偵查隊,加上各個寶大,你覺得夠嗎?一個地方可能就分到三四支,一個晚上就用完了啦,大家不敢用啦。所以你們告訴我們說你們要棄毒,連這個四季都不夠你棄什麼毒啦?這個要怎麼去解決? |
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16469.266 |
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報告委員、警政署這邊補充報告剛剛陳委員這邊垂詢我們現在目前針對已經採購9000多劑的部分我們在追加現在目前採購一萬多一萬兩千一萬兩千還是不夠嘛我剛剛就跟你講嘛九千七百劑的狀況之下有的派出所只有一劑啦那你派出所變兩劑我們現在有一萬六千四百劑也追加兩百三十幾萬還是不夠啦你現在是沒有錢還是買不到嘛我們有經費也有給有經費也買得到是不是那你不願意買是為什麼 |
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16473.692 |
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請你們去補足好不好請你們去補足請你們去補足好 謝謝那另外這跟再不有關因為像是國教聯盟也有特別有提到有針對我剛剛講那個議題 |
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就有提到就是說這個網路的監控力道根本不足法律雖然禁止網路的販售但是根本沒有嚴格的查緝機制因為今天在場所有官員部長你的位階最高只有你可能平常會跟行政院長開會請你把剛剛各單位他們回答我的問題的回答方式跟院長講一下好不好他們就是偷推來推去也不認為這是一件事 |
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但是實際上今天來教育文化委員會是因為大家非常擔心校園會發生這個狀況可是各單位就是那個樣子你有看到嗎?所以請部長跟院長報告這個事情可以嗎?可以嗎?可以嗎?可以好 蘇巴布說網路監控跟他無關警政署的事警政署說他已經很累了這些狀況跟他講喔第二個校園檢測跟執行也很困難傳統的檢測方法對電子煙也無效所以這個問題要怎麼解決? |
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16564.298 |
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我講我們確實現在目前在做就是比較就是一個從宣導到尿特殊學生的這個尿液篩檢然後到春葵莊就是說檢驗方式很困因為我的了解現在的校園就是針對傳統的菸的方式去檢測嘛我們在這個部我們我們對學生的一個人權有一定的因為教育單位我們必須要對每個學生的一個人權 |
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| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
所以這個部我們會跟這個衛福部還有這個警政署、法務部裡邊我們會合作怎麼做嗎?怎麼做啊?這個怎麼做啊?這個國教行動聯盟意見也可能也不會給我們嘛網路上看到應該也會給你們你們要怎麼做嗎? |
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16587.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
16606.911 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
我們為什麼受這一個檢測就是說懷疑所裡面檢測然後剛才委員所提的有許多的那些檢測的試劑我們現在大概並沒有針對好你等一下去思考一下好不好看起來是沒準備啦檢測試劑如果你們能夠購買的話買一些啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
16609.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
16628.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
好再來還有一個議題可能剛剛有些委員有問到就是移民署有通函給外交部、勞動部、教育部所有一個美國的有性犯罪的前科的一個人已經入境了那就我的了解教育部好像也有發文給一些學校教育局通過教育局發文給一些學校幼兒園也有 |
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| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
16655.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
就是希望他們能夠知道有這個狀況然後如果要聘外師的話這個是高風險族群對吧你沒有做這個事吧但是我現在不解的是一件事情針對國外的這樣有性犯罪前科的人我們教育部可以做這個動作可是為什麼針對我們國內有性犯罪前科的人卻不能做這個動作舉例來講前一段時間有爆發一個幼兒園有一個毛性的老師性侵害了39個兒童 |
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16657.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
16682.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
我特別去問了一些幼兒園的園長我說教育部有沒有通知你們說這個人有問題請你們以後不要有機會的話也要特別小心你們可能會撤交他的執照嘛撤交執照讓他沒有辦法讓他不能這樣做但是有沒有只要一有類似的狀況就立刻同意做任何的防避機制有沒有 |
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16683.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
16703.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
事實上如果有這個違反這個兒少或是性侵這些的案例我們事實上都會通報會通報是不是會通報會通報可是我問就沒有啊我問我問委員我就說他就我問他說欸那國外的有通報國內有通報嗎他說沒有啦國外的有啦所以國外的比較嚴重國內的比較不嚴重 |
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16705.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
16723.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
這個問題我覺得非常奇怪第二個問題因為這個事情被媒體報導之後後來移民署就有接到很多記者的查證記者後來就直接公布了這個美國人他的長相、他的基本資料全部把它公布出來所以現在全台灣都知道他是誰了可是為什麼每一次只要是國內有發生這個狀況媒體都不敢報導 |
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16741.762 |
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比如就要說某某幼兒園然後或者是某某毛信老師甚至於什麼信都不敢講為什麼台灣的媒體碰到A4事件的時候都不能夠公佈為什麼是因為被衛福部保護師恐嚇過還是怎樣衛福有來嗎為什麼為什麼國外的可以國內的不行 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
16750.365 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
16767.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
國務委員報告我是衛福部保護服務司那有關於那個兒犬法是有規定69條是有規定是針對兒少的個資是不能公佈的所以可以負向的行為是就是如果兒童可以待但為什麼上一次所有媒體都不敢公佈那位狼屍的資料為什麼 |
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16769.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
16792.329 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
可能是媒體比較擔心沒有媒體講說都不敢啊因為私下你們都會跟他說不行啊你們公開講都說可以但是他們私下接受的訊息都是不可以所以他們不敢公布啊那你現在公開呼籲說以後大家所有的媒體都可以比照好不好只要有發生類似事件不管是國外國內有媒體查證我們一律可以公布他的全部的資料給國人警惕這樣可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].start |
16793.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
16793.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
16823.069 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
16824.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
謝謝主席,有請我們教育部正部長還有我們體育署署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
16853.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
16857.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
中華隊下下禮拜就要在和平籃球館打亞洲盃的一個資格賽。但有一件事情,第一天過去,我們國家隊參賽的一個協議, |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
16875.526 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
16890.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
在今年年初的時候我去質詢整個選手保險的事情那個時候最根究底其實是書上很清楚啦球員公會跟協會沒有簽署參賽的一個協議那你們後來也都要求去研議出一個公版的一個團體協約可是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
16891.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
16912.982 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
我後來在委員會再三跟部長跟署長有確認過當前我們最需要的是參賽的一個協議而不是團體的一個協約本來大家都講得很好聽說在今年的窮世悲之前就可以完成可是呢半年又過去了那我想先請問部長跟署長就是說這尤其是體育署深圍攔血的主管機關這參賽協議你們最終你們到底什麼時候可以做一個橋樑 |
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16921.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
16946.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
報告委員那藍協的跟球員公會在上一次的協商的過程當中出現了蠻大的意見的歧見所以當時有雙方不歡而散的終止這個部分那我們一直在建立這樣的橋樑但是在這一次的集訓我們有強力要求不管是不是有簽訂協商的內容但是他的要求一定要先做到那預期是這一次的短期集訓結束之後馬上再 |
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16947.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
16948.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
請教育部長鄭英耀、衛生福利部長鄭英耀、衛生福利 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
16962.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
16984.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
我要來就教的就是說我們這個整個國家隊的一個後勤這些問題就這一次中華男男去參加亞洲盃的一個資格賽那藍鞋這個地方也公布15個人的一個名單新聞稿裡面去強調說這一次體育署的一個支持中華隊後勤人力也增加了物理治療師跟心理諮商師為我們選手提供更專業的一個資源聽到這個我們都給你們拍手了一定給你們拍拖但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
16988.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
17011.405 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
我長期其實在對於這一些我們國家隊的一個候請資源這個部分也都給你們建議我們部裡面也都大力這樣一個支持可是你們特別注意一下我這一次我也接到了投訴就目前你們這個心理諮商師在衛福部醫事人員查詢職業登記裡面沒有相關的一個資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
17040.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
那就是說這一位專業人員我們本來就為了只怕避免說只有配置一位防護員嘛還要承擔十幾個人這樣防護的一個工作所以國家後勤隊的編制去補上了以後可是這個資格的問題署長要特別去注意就是說我們在心理師法第5條裡面就規範非領有臨床心理師跟諮商心理師的證書你不得使用臨床心理師跟諮商的一個名稱 |
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| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
您有掌握這個訊息嗎報告委員這部分我們昨天有先掌握訊息那我想第一件事情是籃球協會對於心理諮商這件事情有很大的誤解所以我就擔心這個他需要是Performance是一個運動表現是心理諮商老師運動心理諮商老師而不是心理諮商師所以這部分所以協會這樣誤解我們這樣部裡面署裡面去給他支持那你弄這個到最後人家爆料我們這邊那一個處理之後我們 |
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17071.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
17079.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
出一集讓他們煮完了變成我們又違法這個我認為是協會真的是誤解了啦那這個部分體育署這個地方應該馬上這個部分要去弄一個指引出來這樣可能會比較好啦因為以後還是會碰到這樣的一個問題那 |
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| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
其實我們可能在整個運動心理方面專長的人員我們怎麼樣去讓他更符合運動員實際上的一個需求我們國民體育法第10條規定的很清楚中央主管機關本來應該建立體育專業人員的進修跟檢定的一個資格尤其像是防護員的一個部分那現在呢 |
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17112.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
17135.055 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
有這樣的一個事情本席這樣建議啦我們既然一直在走進步的路那現在所謂的體育專業的部分也不只只有防護員而已是不是啊部裡面或署裡面可以研議建立更多領域的專業人員的進修跟檢定這樣的一個制度這一條路你是必要走的請問署長報告委員那我前一陣子的確有把運動心理諮商老師的團隊跟諮商心理師的工會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
17143.462 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
鄭天才委員、鄭天才委員、鄭天才委員不在吳春城委員、吳春城委員、吳春城委員不在賴世保委員、賴世保委員、賴世保委員不在 |
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17170.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
17197.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
好,今天登記質詢的委員均已發言完畢那我們另有林怡瑾、林倩琦、吳春成、翁曉琳四位委員提出書面質詢關於今天的會議我們做成如下的決定報告及詢答完畢委員所提書面質詢或相關資料列入記錄並刊登公報對於委員質詢要求提供相關資料或未及答覆的部分請相關機關盡速以書面答覆 |
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| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
17201.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
報告委員會今天的議程處理完畢現在散會謝謝大家 |
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17228.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
17232.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
響鐘 |
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| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
17295.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
就幫忙一下這樣 |
| IVOD_ID |
16238 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16238 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-22-7 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-07T08:31:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-07T13:17:00+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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