| IVOD_ID |
162309 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162309 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-05T12:26:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-05T12:35:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3f41131fcd5ae5644d9a259145e9fd2dbbacbcf4f939c22c9b36adcf2fc01751f08deeda106faf485ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃珊珊 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:26:58 - 12:35:59 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-05T10:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：邀請審計部陳審計長瑞敏、衛生福利部就「最近疫情再起，有關衛生福利部過去所準備的快篩試劑、疫苗、各式藥品及相關醫療機構因應措施」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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現在主席我請邱部長邱部長還有是有莊署長莊署長吳彥騰 |
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是 部長好我想很難得在財政委員會看到你但是今天的題目很重要就是最近的疫情的確讓國人都很憂心尤其在COVID-19當那幾年的過程中也謝謝部長我們當時打了一場美好的仗雖然我們政黨不同或者是有不同的立場但是當時的台北市政府跟中央的確是完成了艱困的工作謝謝委員當時的支持是 |
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您那時候是醫事公會理事長那署長也都非常努力但是這個新冠肺炎特別條例在112年就已經廢止了那新的疫情起來不管它發生什麼事那當時在去年的3月11號其實賴政府上任之前薛瑞元部長任內其實曾經預告過傳染病防治法的部分條文修正案 |
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也就是說因為COVID-19的關係所以我們發現了非常多以前傳染病防治法裡面缺漏的東西第一個要怎麼樣做防疫隔離侵害人民權利當時都是靠著指揮中心的行政命令但事實上有很多東西是應該要入法的是部長同意嗎是的是的署長你當時也在把這個傳染病防治法是要把所有的防疫期間的經驗都入法不是嗎 |
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應該說當時我們有修法的部分是有針對在疫情期間有碰到一些問題因為所有的疫情發生的時候都沒有人知道要怎麼辦所以做了很多很多的行政調整但是疫情過後這個法為什麼公告以後到現在沒有送到立法院來 |
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應該是說我們有送到行政院行政院沒有通過應該說還在審查當中部長你知道這個事嗎你也不知道你接任以後你什麼時候要送來還是你什麼時候要跟行政院溝通這件事呢你覺得重不重要 |
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當然很重要 我也覺得很重要我們在COVID的時候我們不知道什麼叫做強制隔離我要把人搬走的時候民眾會跟你抗議第二個侵害人民權利 這個電藥官 那個電藥官這些東西都是用行政命令它的確是疫情期間不得已的做法但是必須要有法律的授權這個大家同意嗎 |
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是第二個我們當時甚至不知道要關到哪裡去所以搞了一個叫做防疫旅館防疫旅館給他什麼權利義務也不知道也沒有SOP這都是一個一個摸索過來的所以部長今天你難得在裁委會我希望傳染病防治法正式已經公告部分調整修正案行政院快一年了 上任一年多了到今天沒有下文 |
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您身為部長尤其是經過這麼重要的COVID我覺得這個修正案有必要盡速的快速的進到立法院來討論你同意嗎因為這裡面還有牽涉到各個部會必須配合當時我們就發現了一個問題因為是衛福部在主導整個防疫過程所以教育部國防部都是 |
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不知道自己要幹嘛如果指揮中心沒有教他幹嘛他也不知道自己要幹嘛所以整個過程非常非常的凌亂這不能怪任何人但是因為我們的法治不夠完備部長那你能不能答應我你要什麼時候把這個案子至少在行政院有個初步的方向送到立法院來呢 |
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好 我想我們立即來 立即來處理 這個修正案都在 不是不在您上任後 這個應該成為我們 應該說中華民國最重要一件事不是等現在疫情再起的時候 又來兵荒馬亂又來再開始討論各部會要幹什麼 |
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是 當時的確是混亂的但是當時有非常多的經驗我想署長在這邊您也在這裡好 我們要直接以過去的經驗趕快把這個是 這裡面包括各司的揭露到底這個能不能公佈那個人在哪裡能不能公佈我要去那邊傾銷還被人家罵說為什麼告訴人家我的傳染病在這邊都是問題第二個 名利怎麼調度民眾跟相關的機關怎麼參與這些都需要法源依據 |
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好的 好不好 部長你可以一個月給我一個初步的書面回覆你的時程表 然後行政院你要怎麼去努力 能夠爭取行政院盡快的通過好的 好不好 這個我覺得是比什麼都重要啦比你現在買疫苗什麼那是眼前的事 但這個是長治久安的事是的 |
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5月20號WHA它其實有決意通過一個大流行病協定我們不在WHO所以WHA通過了這個它將來會各會員國建立病原體的共享機制加速疫苗藥物的開發還要提供20%的產量給開發中國家我們會不會因為不是相關的會員國而被拋棄在這個機制之外 |
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好 謝謝委員隨行這一個重要的問題其實我們過去也不是在WA WHO的會議裡面也沒有在大流行性的草擬當中但是我們台灣真的是我們很認真的履行我們的義務但是我們享受不到權利這才是我們的問題嘛 |
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其實那個權利現在目前在WHO這些國家也是非常爭議有的也不願意按照裡面的協議去做連美國都不想去了嘛所以我的意思是說國際上有這樣的東西我們不希望台灣是孤兒 |
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但是台灣絕對不會是孤兒因為我們的醫療很強各個專業組織我們都有國際的交流請委員放心這個是我們要做到的啦不要成為孤兒弄到我們還要自己研發疫苗一定要讓我們台灣的人民絕對不會因為政治的因素受到影響我們會努力時間暫停我請一下沈機長兩位請回沈機長請 |
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我們審計部是要針對行政相關的政府預算要提出審計這是中華民國憲法的規定但是審計部因為我們憲法的依據是挾在所謂的監察院底下現在我就有一個比較好奇的地方 |
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立法委員是用選舉產生所以他有每四年做一次檢驗那很多的行政機關由監察院來做糾正跟彈劾那現在發生的好像是監察院自己發生了監察委員行為不當或者是在預算上面使用有瑕疵可是我查了一下沈議長我們從頭到尾這幾年對於行政機關違反法令的不當支出其實你們是可以剔除的對吧 |
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對那你們有剔除過嗎有 |
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這三年有嗎有這三年有剔除嗎可是我查了這三年的中央政府總決算被剔除的數字是零大概地方政府還有因為地方政府有中央政府沒有中央政府沒有你有沒有剔除過監察院的預算沒有沒有為什麼是不敢剔除還是他們都沒有問題他現在是這樣每個中央機關每個都有那個內部審核人員是我的意思是說我們就以現在這個案例來好了現在這個案例 |
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審計部是監察院的下屬機關第二個你們要跟監察院跟審計部跟業務協調匯報你們要去討論相關審計的業務但是監察委員也是你們討論的對象但是他們發生問題的時候請問審計部要做什麼事情因為監察委員沒有人可以彈劾他 |
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檢查機關他有一個助力委員會但是你審計可以做相關的查核報告不是嗎這個我們會了解所以就這個部分我希望你做專案查核 |
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專案審計監察院的預算掛別人的護職之前先把自己的護職掛乾淨不要讓監察院背負這樣的惡名如果只是幾個人的行為不當就把它檢查清楚我們會了解審計部可以給我一個這樣的報告嗎好 我們會給各位一個月之內至少就這個預算的執行至少在審計方面你們可以做一個初步的討論初步的結果可以嗎可以好 謝謝好 謝謝 |