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| 會議時間 |
2024-11-05T18:00:00+08:00 |
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臺灣民眾黨黃總召到了嗎褲總召到了 |
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謝謝各位黨團幹部辛苦大家也特別感謝行政院列席所有的首長再一次介紹一下行政院的龔秘書長辛苦你哈謝謝歡迎行政院主席總署陳主席長歡迎您辛苦農業部陳部長辛苦歡迎您衛福部邱部長辛苦啊歡迎您原住民曾竺維辛苦歡迎你今天學到了一課下次走路要快一點 |
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好 謝謝各位黨團幹部 謝謝大家我想今天特別要召集大家 剛剛時間也處理研會研會動議 我們到中央政府114年度總預算處理完畢之後 我們才散會所以要請各位黨團來發表大家寶貴的意見請問哪一個黨團先發言好 我們先請吳思堯幹事長先發言 然後請國民黨團請準備 |
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謝謝院長﹖各黨團的夥伴大家辛苦了今天是我們針對總預算朝野協商的第四次那非常希望這一次能夠一舉突破過去的困境那民進黨團已經有提案嘛當然就是照程序希望在今天完成院長的詢答之後能夠依照往例就交付委員會審查 |
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委員．議案協商．議案協商．議案協商 |
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但我想一個基礎的原則還是我們在一個大家各退一步的方式跟前提之下如果要希望在野黨委員尋求的三大議案 |
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的預算上的調整那勢必也希望大家能夠在一個依循法制的程序的補正上大家一起來提出解方那畢竟呢我想原住民族的禁法補償這一項是明年九月才會執行的預算那公糧收購跟健保點值健保點值當初的預估也是明年六月盡可能來達到這樣子的目標那公糧收購當然可以在 |
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﹚立法院黨團協商： |
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謝謝吳斯堯幹事長發言 請國民黨團請發言 |
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請林思明 書記長歡迎謝謝院長我想我們還是很堅持就是說這一次的總預算如果要儘速的復違的話對於原民的這個補償條例這個法案三讀通過的法案相關預算的編列我們還是堅持我們非常堅持就是一定要這個依法來編列 |
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主席 |
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指揮部長 |
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不是民進黨講的九十一億所以這二十億我們認為在整個總預算它還有一個調整的空間所以我們也是堅決要求要把公洋收購調整為五元這個案子要請行政院還是要把它編補在總預算裡面以上 謝謝好 謝謝林世民 書記長接下來請臺灣民眾黨團請發言市委院長 |
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1635.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
1663.26 |
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臺灣民眾黨黨團的立場非常的簡單也非常的清楚我先從最簡單的開始講當初有關於健保典值最後達成的是三個黨團的共識在那個過程當中衛福部的部長充分實質的參與行政部門當初參與立法部門大家都簽字 |
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1664.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
1691.462 |
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為了要去兌現對基層醫護的保障這就是政府該做的事情既然是政府該做的事情在預算的編列上自然而然要反應上去否則的話我們無法理解我們上個會期大家到底在忙什麼三個黨團都簽了字為服務部長實質參與 |
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1693.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
1723.169 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
結果是廢紙一張嗎恐怕不應該是這個樣子公糧收購的部分農業部有他們自己的想法他們好好去努力我們尊重我們從來也沒有反對農業部你要透過什麼樣的措施只不過這幾年做下來實際上面有沒有達到那樣的效果我相信很多基層的農民心裡都有最直接的感受 |
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1724.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
1751.411 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
而在公糧收購價格的這件事情上我想在整個立法歷程非常的清楚的反應當初台灣民眾黨黨團提案那我們也感謝中國國民黨黨團也支持最後院長在上面主持院會的時候請問在場委員有沒有異議沒有一個人有異議沒有一個人有異議 |
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1752.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
1779.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
那既然是沒有一個人有異議的情況之下站在基層農民的保障上面我們當然會要求行政部門如實的編列預算禁法補償這件事情依法行政法律三讀修正通過每個公請就是九萬元 |
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1781.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
1809.114 |
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那你說透過基金的方式啊 對不起口誤 就是六萬元你說透過基金的方式就不能這樣做嘛我們不管 我相信之前在協商的時候在質詢的時候過去曾經做過的決議非常的清楚就請行政院就禁法補償的部分依法編列預算 |
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1812.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
1841.129 |
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只要行政部門做到了他們該做的事情臺灣民眾黨黨團對婦為審查沒有意見但我們今天為什麼會走到這一步就是行政部門你就是沒有依法編列預算沒有依法編列預算我們真的婦為審查了以後處於一個不可逆的狀態我只能刪了我也只能動了 |
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1842.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
1867.593 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
我到真的審查預算的時候我可以挪用其他的科目嗎?也不行嘛因為這些事情其實我相信院長聽到應該都快要會背了大家各個不管在在說明上在立場上我們已經一而再再而三的表達非常謙卑的非常謙卑的希望我們的行政部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
1868.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
1885.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
能夠與原住民能夠與基層的農民與我們基層的醫護的保障能夠把它放在心裡面好好的編列預算只要編列預算完了我們當然就依法審查這是我們作為一個立法委員我們應該盡的職責這個是台灣民眾黨黨團我們今天 |
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1891.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
1912.794 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
開了黨團的會議以後我們所達成共識的立場跟院長還有其他各位黨團的代表報告謝謝如果各黨團沒有補充我們想請列席的官員來蔡宇書記長請發言好謝謝主席那我補充發言那我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
1914.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
1932.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
總預算在院長主持協商今天是第四次那這幾次的協商基本上民進黨團我們都是希望至少也要進行就是預算法所要求的相對應的程序那這部分我相信在這個質詢的過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
1935.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
1959.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
那我看到卓院長也多次表達他的善意他認為說這些預算縱使要用任何方式用基金用第二預備金或者用追加預算的方式可以來談但是他認為預算法91條的程序也是一個必要的一個程序所以這部分是卓院長他在每位委員質詢的時候他所強調的一個重點那這也是我們黨團 |
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1962.802 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
1979.137 |
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我們主張的立場就是這個程序要進行你要要求行政院編更多預算就是要徵詢行政院同意然後由他們去找這個彌補資金的一個來源這個我想這個程序要跑在前面那之後 |
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1979.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
1993.824 |
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站在每位民意代表都希望可以爭取更多資源給我們的鄉親大家都這樣希望但是行政院有他財政紀律的考量那基於財政紀律考量的前提他們當然有他們應該要 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
1994.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2015.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
遵守的財政紀律所以我們黨團是認為說在這樣的前提之下我們會當然同意這樣不管是怎樣的一個方案那我們也希望總預算已經拖到了現在已經11月了我們該讓總預算附委審查接下來附委後在各委員會還是大家可以秉持專業去要求 |
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2017.905 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2018.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
謝謝蔡宇書記長 請國民黨團二人發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2044.037 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2044.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2058.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2078.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
在針對一些我們很多委員關心的 比如說這個原民進法補償條例的部分在預算上面要做什麼樣的修正可是問題是不管是說用綜合發展基金 或者是用二倍金 或者是用追加預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2080.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2091.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
我必須說我們並沒有聽到院長有一個很明確的答覆所以呢事實上我想今天我們在座也有關心的這個原民的委員那他們並沒有在這次的質詢裡面聽到相關比較明確的答覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2100.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2106.659 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
另外就是大家也知道還有另外的公糧收購的問題以及健保點值的問題那更沒有在這一次的質詢裡面我們聽到有任何的要怎麼樣的具體的補正的措施但是我們說實在我們已經講了很多次 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2121.849 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2126.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
其實作為在野黨 絕對比執政黨更想省預算我雖然不好用所謂的磨刀霍霍 但是所有的在野黨的委員都希望能夠在預算上面我們能夠作為一個看緊納稅人的荷包 然後做強而有力的監督者的角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2145.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2159.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
所以在野黨非常想審預算但是我們在之前我們幾個比如包含法定的預算到底要不要編列如何編列說實在到目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2160.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2167.372 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
我們沒有聽到一個很明確具體的答覆那更不要說剛才如同剛才之前那麼在我們兩位書記長跟黃總召所講的在健保點值跟在那個公糧收購的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2178.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2185.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
更沒有任何的具體答覆所以我們還是希望還是希望行政院能不能就針對大家關心的議題能夠有一些比較具體的怎麼樣預算來做補正跟修正那麼我們也希望在做這些補正跟修正之後能夠盡快的 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2197.085 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2198.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
讓總預算副委：讓我們的在野黨的各個委員：也來肩負起整個嚴審預算的職責以上報告 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2211.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2239.974 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
我們立場已經說明了那其實我再度的跟院長報告就黨團協商的現場我就想說盡量避免不要成為好像大家要在進行政治的攻防我覺得立場清楚就好了啦各自對自己所做的政治決定向人民負責我覺得這是民主社會民主政治就是責任政治嘛那至於說就其他的部分因為剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2241.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2251.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
我尊重院長等一下指揮的選擇但就我們第二輪的發言的部分因為我是不是可以得到院長的同意讓第二輪發言的時間交給齊凱委員幫農民講幾句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2258.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2283.706 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
那還是我們就先提行政機關的好 謝謝我知道 謝謝啊 包參委總召提醒說個別有些列席的委員總委員嘉賓 張委員齊凱都很關心 高金委員都很關心但是我想先聽一下行政部門那秘書長 主席長 還有各部會首長這是最後的黃金十分鐘 請大家發言發言完我們就要休息一下 協商了請主席長 請發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2288.862 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2311.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
請廣秘書長行政院態度是這樣剛剛很謝謝蔡議員大致上把我們的態度也做了一些說明昨天在總預算報告的時候也特別提到他說基於立法行政平衡跟互相尊重期盼兩院共同 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2312.974 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2322.641 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
遵守憲法第70條的憲政原理的精神以及預算法91條等原則規定跟必要的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2323.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2351.762 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
按照這樣的預算審查共同而且唯一的原則來共同尋找妥適的解方如果朝野的政黨有這樣的共識的話那114年度的進法補償的經費行政院可以考量用適當的方式來支應那這個適當的方式我想我們剛剛大家都提到了不管是用這個綜合基金然後我們再用預算去補這個基金或者用二倍金 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2352.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2354.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
或追加預算﹚立法與行政互相尊重﹚ |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2378.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2384.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
公務預算181億,健保總額明年本來會增加531億,所以也超過了700多億這個部分就讓衛福部來努力,大家的期待,這個點子方向來走 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2400.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2400.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
陳主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2419.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2445.801 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
是 院長 那我們也是在基於立法行政平衡和互相尊重然後共同遵守憲法第70條的一個精神和預算法第91條的原則的原則下 那我們以來能夠來共同延長妥適的一個解方 那這適當的一個解方呢 就上次我也上次一再的談到就是說 第一個我用那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2447.048 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2447.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
首先感謝各黨團的委員這麼關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
2473.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2487.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
醫療環境的改善站在我過去當任多年的醫事公會理事長不管是前國的或台北市還有就是也當了七八年的立委現在很多委員前輩們 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
2489.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2517.127 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
執行的時候都拿我以前講的話出來 review 一下這樣子所以我覺得我們的心都是一樣的要把醫療環境改善醫療工作同仁的待遇他們的專業受到尊重人民的健康得到保障還有醫療援手可以順利的來經營這個我想我們的心都是一致的那我在這邊還是要跟各位報告我覺得行政院已經拿出最大的誠意 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
2517.793 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2540.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
那在有史以來有幾個突破的點以前我們健保用很多其實是公務預算公務預算的事情他馬上弄到塞到健保這個時候在這一次全部幾乎清出來這是一個非常可能是二三十年來第一次的非常大的突破我覺得這次行政院真的很願意幫忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
2542.491 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2551.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
這樣讓總部的空間就會多很多另外就是當然在健康台灣的領域裏面也補了很多很多比如說我們過去試癌的篩檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
2553.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2581.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
還有成人的健檢我想大家都接受過以前可能400塊現在的預算是800可以到800塊所以很多的醫院醫療院所都願意來更加的積極來創造一個人民更大的健康還有一個更重要的總額的總額的協商那是很重要那總額的成長高推估率5.5這也是創有史以來最高的那也就是那等於是說這個部分可以多了大概500 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
2583.123 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2600.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
三十一億這個跟公務預算又是另外一回事也是在總額裡面的成長所以感謝在國發會其實行政院也很幫忙那我們也可以用我們當時提出來是等於是最高的所以是有史以來最高所以大概有多五百多億那再加上那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
2601.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2616.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
剛剛提的支出面當然有關行政院役助健保財務大概有336億其中有些是到安全基金我們先是講支出面公務預算大概提供181億然後加上總額的530億所以大概有712億的一個可以來用在支出面 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
2626.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2635.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
那我也跟議界的朋友講就大家也很感謝各位委員的幫忙因為總合專制制度是一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
2637.634 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
2659.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
是一種不是說一就一二就二啦但是可以來協商總共有六區在協商所以每一個區有每一個區的制度我們只要給他資源夠然後他們再好好的節省因為畢竟人民我們健保是大家所滿意的就是不要讓人民負擔太大但是弱者可以得到照顧這個連醫者的情懷都能夠堅持齁 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
2661.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
2685.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
所以都能夠了解 所以他們很願意在這樣的基礎之下很努力都用在刀口上在行政院已經支持這麼多的情況之下把人民的健康做好 把點子也必須盡量在節省在醫療體系的改革之下 努力之下讓點子能夠提升到我們大家的一個共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
2687.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
2711.648 |
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我想這樣的一個應該是可以激發各位的照顧各位的支持應該可以激發還有一個很重要就是我們有60億的深耕計畫這60億的深耕計畫也是非常特別這個是創造醫界的智慧來怎麼樣當工作模式怎麼樣在一個工作環境照顧護理人員或照顧 |
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以上報告,謝謝 |
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邱部長您這個施政報告講得非常好,重點是可不可以到0.95,可能大家想聽這個,因為我覺得你已經進了很大力,但有沒有把握到0.95?因為0.9幾的其實是管理的定義,我稍微這樣講,譬如說醫院如果你要,我就定0.95,但是在服務量的方面,可能他就會有一定的限制 |
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我要訂零零就要訂零零一點,一點也沒問題啊所以總和這個制度就是這樣子有一個數據了,但是我覺得是不是資源夠到我們的工作同仁應該有的好的環境應該有的待遇,還有民眾的健康得到保障那另外我們也公布預算,另外有編那個癌癌癌癥心療基金這個也是很有史以來,讓癌癥真的需要的人也有 |
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這些都是福果利民的事情那都是在各位委員真的是大家支持之下已經有創造最好的一個醫療環境所以我才說 上次我在協商我才說 院長各位委員就容許給我們一點時間我們把它創造到點子好所以點子這件事情能不能達到我們只能講盡力 |
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只能講盡力啦,因為搞不好可以到達0.6、0.70.9、0.6、0.9、對不起,0.9、0.6、不一定是0.9最重要是資源夠不夠的問題,那要做有沒有意義的事情我身為一個台大醫學院的教授那麼多年,我教出來的學生就是讓他有資源去做專業的事情但是我們不要浪費一毛錢,但是不夠的時候當然也感謝大家 |
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還有一個比較我們不忍心去提升民眾的保惠所以我當時比較早期就有覺得說我們先不要考慮提升民眾的保惠我們先我們自己行政院提出公務預算然後我們也給我們在總額裡面最大的空間我覺得只要大家管理好的話其實點子要多少那只是一個數目的處理而已但是我覺得這樣的資源 |
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2884.884 |
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2893.317 |
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讓我們醫界拿著這樣充分的資源趕快去衝 趕快去為人民的健康努力我想這個是我們所期待的 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
2894.779 |
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2921.93 |
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邱部長容我提醒你一下上次在這裡協商你是說給你一年的時間你一定會全力以赴那講得很讓人那時候感覺很真情真情流露所以你剛剛講時間我提醒你你講一年的時間你全力去衝我今天再跟你討論一下我會很負責任的願意跟EJ而且EJ也很跟我講說他們一定會全力以赴來配合這樣的資源 |
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主席主席 |
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2948.851 |
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2963.197 |
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好,謝謝曾主委,那接下來請農業部陳部長好,院長、各位委員,那有關公糧的議題,就是我們目前所替代的這個推的一級二轉參加方案,我就不提了我想從農業部的角度去思考這個問題 |
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2964.577 |
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2990.088 |
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那因為公糧的這個稻米的這些收購它不是純粹百分之百都繳公糧它有兩個部分一個部分是繳公糧另外一個部分是由民間的民糧去收購的部分所以我們當初第一個在考慮的說如果今天公糧提高五塊的話那相對於一起做就一個一公頃的話多三萬塊 |
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2991.949 |
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3007.783 |
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二期做的話將近兩萬兩千塊左右換句話說一年的話整個稻谷本身的農民的每公頃的價格的提升他的收益提升可以達到五萬兩千塊左右 |
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3009.484 |
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3025.923 |
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這是政府支撐的可是它只支撐了百分之三十的部分那我剛才說的百分之七十都是民糧的收購的那民糧的收購以這樣子迅速的去拉到五塊錢這樣的一個強度的時候民糧是跟不上的 |
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3026.645 |
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3046.016 |
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民糧跟不上的時候,原來的民糧的這些農民的棄作戶,他因為公糧的價格高的時候,他就轉向公糧過來了那換句話說,公糧本身都是依靠他的品牌,他的稻米的品質,去支撐他的一個收益 |
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3075.418 |
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當他沒有這樣的一個企作的時候那相對的整個品牌或者是U紙米的那個數量就會降低這是我想我們第一點考量的第二個部分就是其實剛才我講歷次很多委員也都認同就是繳公糧的人他通常都會去沖他的產量然後不是那麼care他的品質那當他沖產量的時候整個栽培制度包括施用比較高的蛋肥 |
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3076.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
委員會議員 |
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3099.5 |
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3123.575 |
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中一些種植不重量的這個習慣那種植不重量的時候那這樣子我公糧未來收的這些產品我也可以瞬間釋放到市場去那市場也可以當品牌米我希望說民糧跟公糧的那個稻米的品質要一致性那這樣的話兩個水庫在互通的時候不但能夠確保我們的糧食安全 |
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3124.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
3124.275 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
3146.556 |
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3172.324 |
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重質不重量的一個重道的一個觀念的改變然後對品質的改變希望說是透過我們的產品的價值去提升它的收益而不是靠政府的直接的一個補貼這個是我想我們一直希望在引導的這樣的一個過程所以我們院長其實也指示的非常明確就是在我們現在目前的一級二轉三加三的基礎之下 |
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3198.794 |
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我們在明年度一定要好好的去檢討整體的公糧的整個政策那公糧的政策絕對不是只有提高公糧價格這一件事情而已事實上他也考慮到整個公糧收購的數量因為我們現在有計劃輔導跟餘糧甚至於現在我們因為天然災害的話我們又開了一些災害股那另外還有就是不同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
3199.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
3201.191 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
委員長和在座委員說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
3220.313 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
3236.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
我們100年提高了3塊加2塊錢的烘乾費以後其實這幾年來我們推的到做試選餐等相關的因素我們現在的民糧的價格其實是遠比100年的價格高了大概將近每百台幣將近100塊100多塊一點相當於大概3塊錢每公斤相當於3塊錢 |
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3243.422 |
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3268.181 |
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所以很多人認為就是說我們在推的這個極端產區是沒有效果的可是我們可以用實際的數據去跟委員說明其實比照一下我們的整個的稻穀的價格大概每一公斤大概提高了3塊錢那沒有錯這個3塊錢大概都是用民糧去撐的所以換句話說民糧的價格去支撐才是讓我們產業永續經營的最重要的目標 |
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3271.784 |
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3272.105 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
立法院黨委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
3280.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
3303.685 |
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再一次的循環 再一次的循環那其實我們在最後一個我要跟各位委員說明的就是其實稻米的部分我剛才說的大概70%的是民糧在攪的特別在東部地區有非常好的有機米這些優質的米其實他們都不攪公糧的所以他們也擔心當我公糧一拉高了以後就回到我低點的論述 |
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這些原來棄作的他就放棄了他原來的有機栽培他放棄了他原來的這些棄作他乾脆去繳公糧他的價格會比較好所以這是從農業部的角度去看 |
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3317.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
3317.878 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
委員長 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
3335.293 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
3338.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
謝謝各位列席的關於的發言完畢我想我們先休息10分鐘我們來討論一下好 謝謝休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
5038.015 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
5050.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
好各位黨團幹部請坐我們先列一下我們暫時的一個協商結論請各位黨團幹部能夠請聽一下大家仔細聽一下謝謝我們決定兩點齁 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
5055.712 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
5077.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
時間113年4月5日下午量60地點紅樓302協商主題延長114年度中央政府總預算及中央政府前端預算基礎建設第五期特別預算相關事宜決定事情兩點一為維護國會尊嚴針對原住民進法補償公糧收購及健保點子等預算編列事宜於11月7日 以前 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
5079.568 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
5102.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
由行政院長邀請本院在野黨團及執政黨黨團會面表示處理上開預算解決方案及誠意二、各黨團同意有關一百一四年度中央政府總預算及中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第五期特別預算案之各項提議均保留送院會依提案先後順序進行處理 |
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5103.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
5108.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
並定於11月8日星期五列入院會議程與討論事項前處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
5124.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
5142.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
主席可以發言就院長所運你的這個協商結論第二點是說這個兩個案子依先後的順序進行處理就是民進黨有提一個案希望複為審查的然後國民黨團也提出一個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
5143.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
5143.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
請國民黨團發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
5166.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
5167.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
請臺灣民眾黨發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
5195.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
5203.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
對我們那個處理的方式齁我們會有一個正式的提案那如果反正大家都留下來了嘛今天把它處理一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
5204.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
5231.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
我們請議事處高處長補充報告稍等 麻煩林法院跟各位黨員報告齁如果草野協商結論大家目前有共識就是等一下院會要來進行有關總預算案還有前瞻特別預算案各黨團及委員所提出的提議我們就依先後方式提依先後來進行表決那我跟大家講院會的處理方式等一下我們就是報告院會現在繼續開會 |
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5233.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
5252.945 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
來處理這個總預算案跟特別預算案的後續事宜先處理總預算案的部分請宣讀各黨團的提議一先後來進行處理那目前民進黨所提的總預算案就是正常就是復違因為這個是要大家有共識就這樣處理然後接下來再處理民進黨因為現在民眾黨還沒提那民眾黨如果提 |
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| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
5274.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
國民黨有提了嘛提過來了那總預算就這樣處理然後這個總預算處理完之後就依哪個黨團的提議通過做一個決定然後接下來繼續處理特別預算案部分那特別預算案部分感覺上大家如果是本來如果現在就有共識就可以簽出一個協商結論我們等一下根本就協商就唸完這個特別預算案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
5277.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
現在高處長是分兩部分麻煩等一下請各黨團幹部發言可以加入討論 |
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5301.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
5301.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
5318.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
5318.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
前瞻基礎建設703億 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
5344.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
5345.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
復位審查復位審查復位審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
5373.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
5401.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
再邀請各黨團去會面再開一次會是是這樣子的很明確是要請卓院長邀請各黨團第一個要看各黨團又不願意第二個當然因為行政院代表不見了不在了不在了就是這個部分我們再確認一下因為如果說這是大家協商的公司當然院長也應當配合來辦理只是這看看各黨團的 |
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5403.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
5427.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
那我希望第一句話維護國會尊嚴 國會尊嚴及行政立法互動的平等大家對話這樣子那是不是我再把它加一個第三點然後大家再休息溝通一下然後再看要不要簽這樣子我加一個第三點下去加第三點下去那個 |
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5432.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
5457.151 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
那那個 剛才我們高處長所報告的那個 國民黨團沒有意見嗎那個 由 院長邀請這一點 我們沒有意見啦那前瞻我們是 前瞻這部分我們是認為要一併處理 要一併處理就是說今天也要 我們有意見啦 說今天要通過我們有意見喔是 今天前瞻的部分我們還是認為就是一起 跟總預算一起來赴為喔 就不要分開啦 |
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5460.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
5462.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
總預算提議均保留送院會處理,特別預算各黨團同意交財委會處理 |
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5513.308 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
5535.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
這是院長的好意因為大家可以思量看看總預算大家關切的部分總預算可以再溝通但是前瞻只剩下最後一期了703億先讓他負為審查大家也爭取我們嚴格把關預算的空間跟時間這勞煩大家可以支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
5956.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
5983.791 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
好 各位黨團幹部請坐謝謝我們經過溝通我們現在運營一個黨團協商結論請各位黨團幹部仔細聆聽時間113年11月5日星期二下午6點地點紅樓302會議室協商主題延伸114年度中央政府總預算案及中央政府前瞻基礎建設計劃第五期特別預算案相關事宜決定事項一 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
5985.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
6008.286 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
為立法行政兩院和諧互動,針對原住民進法補償、公糧收購及健保點值等預算編列事宜於11月7日 之前,由行政院院長邀請本院在野黨團、執政黨黨團會面,表示處理上開預算解決方案及誠意 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
6009.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
6033.463 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
二 各黨團同意有關110年度中央政府總預算案之各項提議均保留送院會一提案先後順序進行處理三 各黨團同意有關中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第五期特別預算案之各項提議均保留送院會一提案先後順序進行處理請問各位黨團幹部有沒有意見 |
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6035.711 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
6038.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
沒有意見我們現在簽字完畢之後我們定7點40分進院會進行表決謝謝大家 |
| IVOD_ID |
16230 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16230 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2024110553 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-05T17:40:38+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-05T19:22:00+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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