| IVOD_ID |
162298 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162298 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-05T11:35:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-05T11:45:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3f41131fcd5ae56471f3d746baf7040acd8722aad0b92e7f46063d171e8badfacd7ea65aa09343765ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:35:37 - 11:45:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查一、委員徐欣瑩等18人、二、委員陳俊宇等20人分別擬具「技師法第十一條條文修正草案」及三、委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等19人擬具「技師法第十一條及第四十二條條文修正草案」案。
【本日會議僅進行詢答】） |
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主席 在場的委員先進列席的政務機關所長 官員會長 工作夥伴 媒體記者女士先生有請我們陳主任委員請主委跟公共工程採購的部分的主管也可以請上來 |
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主委好 其他的主管好我想今天來請教不只是您是主委 您也是政委我提到川普的關稅政策重視飛鴻供應鏈那麼政府採購是不是要排除特定地區來保查韌性我們現在看川普政策大家都了解其實在上個月4月到5月我們在經濟委員會在關心一題 |
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在台灣的汽車因為美國他的關稅的關係他認為只要是有中國成本35%的修飾為中國車要刻意非常高的關稅甚至禁止進口但是在我們台灣經濟部的規定 |
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我們的整車產業它事實上它的自治率要逐年調高到35%今年8月以後才到30%甚至我們知道台灣的整車廠它的很多零組件是來自於對岸因此就有委員質疑說那這樣的車子能符合美國對於飛鴻供應鏈的要求嗎主委你認為可不可以通得過這可能要請教美國吧 |
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是 你要請教一下 打電話給您但是呢 我得到進步的答案是說台灣的整車業沒有在賣美國市場的啦因為台灣的整車業在美國市場沒有競爭力所以我們這樣的設置雖然跟美國認定標準不一樣但是呢 不受影響好了 但是呢台灣的供應鏈有很多來自中國或者是中國以外的第三地那這樣的一個組成的產品 |
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甚至來到台灣組裝 可以供應給台灣的本國市場嗎這四位是 副主委好 陳副主委對不起喂你好 那個我想公共工程是只有在主管在有關政府採購的部分是的 這有些要問你的下一題對 所以我們的理解應該是從政府採購的部分那因為我們有加入GPA嘛 |
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那原則上它有一個原產地的原則啦那這種非成員國的這個產品到底它經過什麼樣的一個資質轉換才會改變成是它產地別啊那這個這部分的主管機關據我所知應該是在財政部它有一個認定的辦法那是稅的問題海關的認定問題這我知道我在財政委員會好我們看下一題既然你說政府採購我就要問政府採購其實政府採購呢它其實 |
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美方關鍵的是飛鴻但是我發現我們政府關鍵的是台製 國製譬如說政府補助如果是經濟部關鍵的領主件你要符合滿足我對這產業關鍵的領主件的我才給你補助 這合理嘛對不對 我政府要給你的錢必須你滿足我的政策要求主委是不是這樣子所以政府補助要求要參與的業者你必須滿足我的正面表列我才給你 同不同意 |
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我想這是經濟部的業務啦那他如果符合經濟部的相關規定我現在要問的是政府採購但是政府採購我們可以在採購合約要求供應商是限本國國產製品嗎可不可以可以限嗎 |
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啊你怎麼認定它是國產製品就是你說的財政部的只要財政部認定是就是是你們是這樣的標準嘛對不對好但是主委現在開始進入深水區了我們可以要求自治率嗎你的公共採購可以要求自治率嗎非GPS的也可以要求自治率好那我可以要求你的供應的產品關鍵零組件必須是國產的嗎 |
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好那我先問一個有關於資安的晶片你們是把它放在哪個資安資訊產品是要求自製力還是要求國產製品還是要求你的這些有含有晶片的工程機具必須不得有中國的零組件的晶片可以要求嗎 |
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好部長其實我今天要來談的是什麼呢就是在公共工程的採購當中啊其實我們的合約因為有其他的WTO的一些規範我們不能製造一些非關稅的障礙因此呢我們必須對有能力的全世界的廠商提供開放但是 |
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有正當理由的時候我們還是可以限定譬如說我們的採購的財貨如果說有屬於供應鏈韌性的問題譬如說這個產品是中國供應的這個零組件是中國供應的但是呢一旦他不供應了我就買不到了那因此一開始我就不跟你買可不可以這樣子供應鏈韌性的部分 副主委完全沒有關係 |
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所以我們的公共工程採購合約可以明明白白的把各種的要求都排除中國的產製的零組件可以嗎那就是看那個目的世界主管機關他採購機關的需求那合約上面都可以限都可以要求所以要拜託主委也拜託政委現在我們很多公共工程的採購合約他其實是一個標準的套裝但是在因應著各個機關我上次有問過要有一個減核表 |
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有些不同的機敏設施有些不同的勞務採購我們要嚴防治安的風險嚴防紅色供應鏈對我們的服務的一些威脅所以我希望未來公共工程委員會在提供這些契約的模組的時候請你們先幫這些可能應用到的機關先設想好有哪些模組 |
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或者你可以要求他全部限定是國產製品或者你要求他要有一定的自製率或者你要求他在關鍵零組件不得是哪些特定產地的或者是必須用本國產地的尤其是像晶片像資安甚至是一些會影響到我們供應鏈韌性的舉例來講 |
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電動車電動車目前我們的政府採購合約裡面並沒有要求電池不能使用中國製造我們都知道電動車的市場裡面電池中國是個最大的可能也是做得最多最好的也有可能所以要用有競爭力的電動車多半會採用中國的電池 |
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但是因為採購合約裡面沒有限制因此得標廠商得標之後往往面臨一個困局他能得標表示他的CP值很高他可能必須使用最有競爭力的零組件來構成但是一旦沒有得標廠商來檢舉說他怎麼用重核電池 |
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工程會能夠裁說這個合約無效嗎不行啊但是使用機關會產生什麼很大的困擾你買了電動車結果裡面電子是中國製的這個輿論披露還得了嗎這個不見得是我們的契約精神但是是社會上的常識認知會衝突 |
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所以我要請主委也請政委這個部分拜託工程會開始去做我們所有公共政府採購相關合約不管是勞務採購還是設備採購還是工程採購可以將這些模組研發出來 |
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政府採購法是提供給政府機關進行各種採購的依據那至於機關他需要什麼不需要什麼機關他會記恆佐那關於是不是中置產品中資等等採購法以及相關規定或者是機敏的國安採購對相關的管制跟規定那我們也正在修正相關的來 |
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工程會本身無法替每個機關想到他需要什麼去把它建立一個模組說你可以要這個不要那個我們在採購法是提供給大家來採購就我們就法律的修正原則性的來修正是可以能夠達到委員這個希望的這樣的要求啦謝謝主委因為我在地方政府過去也是擔任屬於 |
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政府採購當中的一個參與者我了解工程會有提供這些資源服務包括評審名單等等等所以我要求的也不是說我們幫使用機關的政府做決定而是說我們幫他讓他提醒他有個檢核的表對於採購契約的限制條款有哪些是可以他們去應用去思考的不是幫他們訂定採購合約而是建議他們再有一個指引 |
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我希望公共工程委員會可以訂一個指引然後呢在這個指引當中特別重視到我們現在要求的供應鏈的韌性所謂的供應鏈的韌性是對我們有安全妨礙的或是會不時的斷貨就是說任意斷貨不符合契約精神但是造成我們使用方的困擾的類似這種狀況的條款我們給它充實或者提供指引那幫助很多地方政府並沒有能力去研發他也不曉得買這個東西會有這個地雷 |
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所以我是不是可以請工程會基於這樣的供應鏈韌性這個理由之一來對我們政府採購契約的限制條款提供一個指南或一個指引可以嗎就像副主委所講的必要的時候就再補充相關的解釋然後函班給各機關好謝謝主委那是不是這樣的一個作為可以提供給本席這邊來了解我們的進度或作為可以嗎謝謝主席 |