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| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第7次會議（事由：一、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員及相關部會首長列席報告「114年度中央政府總預算案」及「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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主委長、各位列席、首長、大家早安。報議院會現在我們繼續開會進行114年度中央政府總預算案及中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算報告之質詢。首先我們請張志倫委員質詢。 |
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委員長早好,院長早各位委員、各位官員大家早是不是先請我們卓院長麻煩請卓院長備詢 |
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三位院長院長早今天是我們這個總預算的這個質詢首先還是要跟卓院長請教這個總預算要附委一定要有一個解方 |
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那上次在上禮拜五的質詢好像你比較有提出善意啊你有提出來說是可以用有關於禁法補償的部分是有機會用第二預備金或是追加預算的方式來去做這個禁法補償的一個解方那本席這邊是不是今天可以來請你當Keyman來把這個問題再做更清楚的一個說明 |
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就是依照預算法第70條這個進法補償的部分是不是可以用第二預備金你如果是願意的話其實現在你就可以直接宣布如果你願意用第二預備金來解決這個問題的話這個進法補償從3萬塊提到6萬塊的部分就可以立馬來解決了 |
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那第二個方式是也是你上次提到的要追加預算可是追加預算的部分還是要等你未來把這個預算送到立法院未來要三途通過那還有一段的時程還有一段未來立法院行政院要來處理的一個進度是不是請院長來說明一下我很謝謝委員在上一週的報告當中有看到我們在書面以及口頭的說明 |
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也謝謝委員把它形容是一種善意我覺得那是一個原則性的問題我一直強調在憲法70條的精神底下在預算法91條的精神底下如果行政跟立法兩院互相尊重那在這個前提確立那往後我們也依照這樣的方式來進行所有的預算跟法律案的討論那這個 |
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這個共識確立這個原則確立未來的整個程序也確立那針對這個今年明年度的中央政府總預算大家現在還有所爭議的這個進化補償那我們可以雙方來執照共同的資金提供目前的爭議在哪裡目前就是 |
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在依照預算法第91條的規定在大院審查預算增加稅出的時候必須徵詢行政院的意見同時要指出彌補資金之來源 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時為國是論壇時間。 |
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你願不願意往前進一步來回應在野黨的不分黨派的想法? |
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因為在歷次的這個尋答過程當中 |
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用基金有的大院委員有不同的意見用二倍金有的認為他使用的用途有所限制用追加預算又有人認為他要到明年但是我們總會找出一個方式只要大家說好在這樣的原則程序跟他的法律的規定之下我們一定可以找出一個方式大家能夠各守一步 |
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院長我最後再請教你最後一次就您今天如果願意提出善意的回應這三種你覺得會比較往哪一個方式走對您心中覺得是可以比較往這個方向前進 |
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我可以說我的想法啦但是...好請說一定會引起其他對這個想法不同意見的想法請說你的想法大家會願意尊重行政院長的想法我認為用基金的方式最方便未來我們是不是可以再嘗試用公務預算來填補基金這是一個最方式實際上三個你今天三選二已經剩兩個那兩個裡面如果是基金跟這個追加預算的部分你會選哪一個我認為追加預算可能是大家爭議比較少的 |
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好所以你最後我今天就問到這裡啊所以你認為說你要用追加預算的方式來而不是用第二預備金因為第二預備金你可能覺得用的方式他的所有規定內容也不是這麼的明確所以你認為說以預算法70條跟預算法79條預算法79條追加預算的方式可能是比較能行的一條路是嗎大家如果有共識明年我們變追加預算會有朝這個方向來做 |
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好 謝謝謝謝院長我們再一起繼續加油尋求共識謝謝您的善意好第二個我要來請教今天這個政府總預算的部分大家都知道114年度中央總預算的部分編列了3兆1325億 |
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主要最大的我們看到這塊餅主要最大的就是講補助費跟業務費本席針對預算編列的部分其實我很重視我們預算中心以及我們審計部給我們政府的意見其中預算中心裡面就有提到說現在他有發現就是我們在編列預算的時候有非常多的委辦費 |
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政府在編列預算的時候有業務費可是我們希望政府可以越來越專業越來越精進那當然政府的想法是說有些他自己不能做的委辦出去可是我們現在有發現預算中心有特別提到說政府他的原額有增加越來越多可是委辦費也增加的越來越多的這個情形顧名思義政府著手 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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我們現在看下一張圖齁 |
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這就是所有的單位大家可以發現越來越多的單位其實委辦費用都超過50%而且還有人員增加的一個問題所以我認為這個人民的納稅錢每一塊錢都是非常的重要 |
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我這邊是不是等一下請院長回答之前我這邊有一個小有一個建議是不是可以來統整來幫政府某些很多單位來做健檢如果各部會的委辦費超過50%可是人員有增加的這樣的狀況是不是可以提出檢討的報告讓人民知道說人民的納稅錢是沒有被浪費的事實上是有這樣的委辦費有需要這樣的編列而且人員不應該有增加那麼多請院長回答 |
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我很贊成委員這樣的意見第一個政府增加員額有的可能是組織的調整或增加像我們的數位發展部、未來的運動部它就會增加員額但是政府很多專業的研究業務必須跟外界的專業來做結合來做進行討論跟研究但這個必須在嚴謹的專業的評鑑底下去選擇適合的合作的對象 |
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所以未來政府要聽過這樣的方式什麼樣的業務需要委外去辦理之後要形成什麼樣的成效效果來給提供給我們執行或做參考這必須要非常嚴謹那我會照委員的建議我們會嚴謹的重新的來考量這個事情 |
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的確第一個委辦費的部分越來越多人民我覺得他信任的是政府而不是相信政府不應該把人民納稅錢差不多一半以上都拿去委外那當然還有獎補助費像超市雞蛋案就是一個獎補助費非常嚴重一個政府沒有辦法管到我們獎補助單位的一個情形就是大家知道嘛這個農業部委託續產會續產會委託超市超市委託量產結果發現政府單位其實他沒有辦法管到超市跟量產 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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沒有想說要來自己做綠能,因為他認為台電自己做綠能速度太慢。第二、國務部長也跟我特別強調說政府當時在要做儲能設備,可是做到2025年政策就有可能會轉彎。可是他說未來有可能政府還是要考慮做儲能設備,部長好。 |
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那我想要請教剛剛講的這些委辦的相關的問題政府難道可以把我們重要的我們的能源通通交給民間業者來做還有現在我們到底儲能設備未來要如何來做有沒有一些新的規劃 |
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部長,您的調整方式是什麼?我直接給你看資料好了。現在我們所有台灣 |
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像外購的電力已經將近高達快要30%那我一直想請問部長跟院長你知不知道未來如果這樣子以現在的目前的政策來講未來我們的國家能源可能有50%以上都成為外購電力那我請教一下如果台灣全50%以上都是外購電力的話這樣會不會任性不足啊你認為說這樣子未來的能源政策到底是民間來主導還是政府來主導 |
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我還是非常擔心這樣的問題產生 |
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剛一直講政府的委辦費用如果超過50%政府未來的電力如果50%以上都是跟民間採購的話未來政府的力道會越來越小那未來人民對政府的信任也會越來越低那我還再請教一下這個部長的部分因為部長上來了部長你之前有講過要去菲律賓買電那一度電4塊錢我們可以看到下一張圖我們台灣現在購買再生能源的 |
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請問部長我有兩個看法第一個你是不是認為說這個臺灣的再生能源的價格太高第二個會讓我覺得是不是臺灣再生能源中間有很多的這個利潤報告委員我想這個是規模的問題 |
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規模的問題我想經濟學我想你應該都學過這個規模越大它的成本越低我想這個在菲律賓我可以買到比較便宜的電是因為它的規模很大所以它的建置成本就很低台灣因為我們這個台灣就是這麼小那能夠建置的這個區塊區域沒有那麼大所以它相對的成本就高 |
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好,那我想要請教院長,你對部長的想法你能接受嗎?台灣現在,等於是說台灣現在在做冤大頭,跟花人民的納稅錢,來做這個外購電力的採購,風力發電要6塊5,太陽能光電要4塊8,可是從菲律賓買電只要4塊錢,請問部長有跟院長報告過這件事情嗎?未來我們是台灣就往這個,因為看,聽起來部長的想法還是非常的有自信, |
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是委員臺灣有我們的地理環境的限制也有我們市場規模的限制那部長來自民間企業我們一開始邀請部長來擔任這個工作第一個就是希望他用民間企業經營管理的這種精神跟方式能夠讓我們的公部門包括我們的這些事業單位能夠有新的想法那新的想法不一定是 |
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一朝半日可以完全實施但新的辦法會刺激我們做更多的想像會刺激我們做更多元的接觸那現在都在這個過程當中我覺得部長很多的想法我們都會經過很深思熟慮的考慮甚至合作的對象進行的時程預算的編列我們都會盡量這種程序來辦理的 |
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好 謝謝院長的分享所以這邊還是要跟部長特別的拜託啦就是說很多的政策跟很多的想法其實在講出來以後其實會造成人民的恐慌也會造成現在整個台電的一些問題我一直感覺到台灣的綠能政策是有相當大的問題 |
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現在台電原本是資優生現在台電員工在看醫生我真的拜託部長有機會去台電走走問問台電這些基層員工的心聲其實他們的壓力都很大而且他們對現在台灣的能源政策其實都認為現在中央是沒有聽到地方或是基層人民的心聲接下來下一個問題我要來請教有關於地方 |
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這個重要的這個交通交通的交通 |
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謝謝張志仁委員的質詢。謝謝卓院長及部會首長的備詢。接下來,我們請登記第16位,麥玉珍委員質詢。 |
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主席 |
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主委好院長好今天我想要跟院長單獨對話,可以嗎?其他部會不要上來坐著就可以,不用理他對,不用他們,你一個人就好了所以我想要請教一下我們今天大家都來質詢我們的院長的目的是什麼? |
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希望我能夠說明之後讓總預算能夠順利覆尾審查完畢之後明年度我們能夠幫所有的政策有一個執行的能力跟時程好對所以呢下一頁所以我就是因為這個事情我們要來執行的嘛所以我用越南語要學那個吳思瑤我用越南語跟大家呼應一下 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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這個就是我們要你代表行政就是政府機構我代表的民間團體要來跟你對話民間團體是國民一起來去對話非常抱歉你說的跟吳士耀委員一樣的好聽但是話還是聽不懂 |
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當然你聽得懂的話你就是越南人你要學越南語所以我們進入正題我要想要請教一下我們行政院在送中央行政機關組織基本法修正草案在推動運動部還有全民運動署的機構數量修法是包含新住民發展署對嗎 |
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新住民發展署 |
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原來的體育署將來我們在全民運動署會歸屬到運動部下面去所以這個機關的這個數量我們也已經在整個限制額底下機關額數底下已經是 |
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是,所以說我們新住民發展署是我們總統在8月12號公布嘛,所以在我們的立法的過程也是說他一年就會成立新住民發展署,所以是在修法的時候是已經是考量在裡面,已經在訂在裡面了嗎? |
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這個我應該要再查清楚一下我們現在是在運動部裡面有前面發展所以查清楚是要依法行事還是說真的是查清楚以你說的算跟這個一樣嗎當然要查清楚之後說的才算啊 |
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所以說你在修法的時候不是考量立法是考量你想說還是考量立法考量法律的規定我們中央機關組織基準法裡面對所有員額跟機關數量的限制我們考量是這個限制不是誰說的算 |
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好,這樣考量的限制就是依法來去做考量來去立法還有去改變嘛所以就等於是你有把新住民基本那個發展署放在裡面這樣我才知道說什麼時候因為一年後嘛一年後就是八月是一年後就是明年八月所以如果是這樣子的話我們就是要大量去推廣我們大量去推廣要跟 |
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我們現在在推的是運動部跟全民運動署在這個中央組織機關裡面的調整是這個方式 |
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所以說你就是一直在說運動署所以新住民發展署是沒有考量在裡面嗎?是沒有在照修法來去做初步的去預算?這個需要再進一步的研議啦我們現在在整個數量的限制上面就是這個樣子剛剛可能有人報告的 |
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所以這個樣子就是表示說在依法的來去規劃來去修法在新住民發展署是在你的修法的裡面是不是目前我們還要在研議這個事情研議是不照法律的規定研議就是我們繼續努力的意思繼續努力所以說就明年就會實現實現也是需要努力 |
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對,實現當然是要努力啊但是有目標有規劃才能努力才能達成嘛目標是可以,目標是很清楚那時程我們要想辦法在一個法定的基礎底下能夠推動那時程才能夠定得出來好,所以都是說努力跟推廣但是我們是依法嘛所以我要請教一下我們現在你摸著院長摸著良心講你的眼睛有沒有有我 |
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你的眼裡有沒有我?有嗎?在這個議事廳裡面接著對話的就是你跟我。有沒有?只有,只有你委員跟我在對話。好,你眼裡有沒有我? |
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這個回家不好交代不好交代所以呢你眼裡有我是正常人因為你看著我你眼裡有我是正常人如果沒有的話你要去看醫生了那這樣講是說我的眼前有你不能說眼裡有我 |
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對,你眼裡有我就是你表示你的心裡會把新住民發展署放在心裡。如果你的眼裡沒有看到我的話,你的心裡就把新住民變成惡等。我眼前,眼前我們是在對話,新住民發展署我們會放在心裡這樣子。 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間 |
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中華民國是法治國家對嗎?是嗎?我問你是不是?是不是法治國家?好,如果是法治國家是不是我們都要就是遵守我們的法律的規定包含你?是嗎?好,如果是這樣子的話比如說萬一院長你開車出去撞死人了是警察馬上辦還是要通過行政院同意才能辦? |
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所以我再度提醒委員預算法91條的規定 |
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立法院在對行政院審查預算法律的時候對於稅出有增加稅出的時候必須徵詢行政院的意見同時要指出彌補資金之來源換句話說 |
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委員在審查預算或是法案的時候所以你是依法行政嘛 對不對有兩個要件一個要徵詢行政院的意見一個要找出增加這筆預算它的資金來源在哪裡好 所以你是依法行政嘛 是嗎 |
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要依這個法行政?好,你依法行政的話,這樣子我們的法律通過的是多少萬?幾萬?我們經法補償是幾萬?依法通過的?6萬。所以你有依法去編列嗎?那3萬的來源在哪裡? |
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三萬的來源,彌補資金的來源,增加的三萬來源在哪裡?我現在問你的是依法編列嘛。依法就要指出三萬的來源在哪裡,我才能依法啊。對,依法來源在哪裡,你自己要去想辦法。哪有這種事?我編了預算,你把它增加,叫我自己來源去想辦法。剛才,因為我的門的助理很厲害啦,他知道說你一定要回我就是91條還有70條。 |
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但是呢我要跟你講的明確的用於預算法不包含法律法律案預算案不包含法律案所以預算案呢第91條 |
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也是就是要求立法委員徵詢行政院的意見而非取得同意所以立法院三讀通過後行政院或有異議在10天內提出覆議你沒有提出覆議表示你同意 |
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你有同意你覺得有這個預算你要去算嘛 對不對委員那一天我們在參敘中都講得很清楚你只記得你的問題你從來不瞭解我的答案對你說再講一次讓大家聽到我知道你說為什麼行政院不提出復議那天我也說了我想用其他的方式其他的方式還有很多那提出復議其他方式我們有沒有依法 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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民進黨的主席我是因為你我才加入民進黨的因為很多人推薦我但是有一個人跟我講說要跟卓院長去學習他當 |
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我希望是這樣所以我也一心不忍不希望你為了這件事情負責我希望說你繼續 |
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為我們的人民來工作我覺得我現在最重要的工作就是建立一套兩院互動的關係一定要在憲法跟法律的基礎底下我們希望依法來去編列剛才你有講依法是多少是6萬但是你沒有依法4萬從哪裡來我們看不到你可以再請教你那個厲害的助理那增加了3萬資金來源在哪裡 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議二、上午9時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議 |
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原來的法律是有這樣的規定?對,原來的法律,立法後也是原來的法律,但是這些人是不是有必要的,必要要補償他們,是不是必要?如果隨著...不管3萬還是6萬,你再跟我講必要的還是不必要的?必要要看程度對,必要的,你說必要的是...必要要看程度 |
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看程度是……看程度就是所有的立法通過都是經過所有的立委來去討論還研議很多時間在立法通過但是呢必要的我們要去給他們預算的是不是必要的 |
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還沒有執行嘛預算就像說你要給的就是現在3兆多你要給的是誰就是我們的電視台還有媒體還有就是打仗還有其他等等你預算的預算的算不算土利廠商你還沒有必要給的你預算的算不算土利 |
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立法院在審查預算的時候,有實質的審查。是,所以審查預算是預算,預算還沒有說執行,你就覺得這個預算要給他們。但是呢,預算是圖利廠商,那這樣想起來,那都要經過合理的法定的招標程序再來啊,不是隨便給的啊。 |
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從來沒有人說進法補償是不必要或違憲的。我說的是程序上。 |
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這樣來說是違背憲法的程序我從來沒有說禁法補償是違憲的因為在協商之前我們同意4萬草野協商沒有同意沒有任何人簽同意從哪一個 |
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接下來請登記第17號鐘嘉斌委員質詢 |
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主席、在場委員、先進、列席政府總預算案官員、會長、工作夥伴、媒體、記者、女士先生有請卓院長以及財政部莊部長和農業部的陳部長然後請經濟部的郭部長以及教育部的鄭部長請準備第二輪我們請卓院長、相關部會首長備詢總委員好院長好兩位部長好院長 |
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昨晚10點你回官邸休息了嗎?幾點?10點10點我在家裡在家裡你知道旁邊的莊部長幾點才能回到家嗎?我知道那個時候還在立法院審財政收支劃分法你知道當我們財政收支劃分法在裁會審查的時候召委國民黨的陳玉珍委員他晚餐跑去喜來登吃大餐把所有的行政官員晾在那裡不知如何你知道嗎? |
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我不是很清楚你知道後來官員離席之後神隱很久的陳昭偉又跑出到議場來跑到委員會又要把官員召回來莊部長有沒有這樣子有沒有這樣被找回來包括本席我們折騰到超過12點還在委員會回到宿舍已經快1點 |
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部長、院長,你覺得財政收支發分法在野黨要求增加的從多4千億到6千億不等撥給地方,那當中央少了這4到6千億,你覺得我們是要拿什麼錢去給地方?是給國建國造陳將軍最關心的國建國造的錢嗎?還是要什麼錢犧牲掉把這個錢撥給地方?部長你覺得勒?莊部長 |
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跟委員報告,其實我們在那個中央統籌分配稅款跟一般性補助款跟計畫性補助款這幾年是一直成長已經到114年已經超過一兆所以我們把錢如果撥給地方我們中央少的錢來支付什麼?支付國防預算?如果說依照信行那個災難的版本最高有到7000多億7000多億好7000多億先停下來院長,如果中央少了7000多億什麼錢既然撥給地方了什麼費用我們也交給地方付 |
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是把老農津貼的預算支出交給地方來付?還是把中央對地方勞健保的補助款交給地方付?你覺得這樣可行嗎?我撥千億給你地方,那原來我幫你付的錢,老農津貼也好,勞健保補貼也好,我都交給你地方來支付,可以嗎? |
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所以院長我們要請行政院團隊跟全國人民說清楚 |
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這些錢都是人民的,你要交給中央來執行,可以。你要多撥7千億給地方執行,可以。但是呢,就像過去精神之後啊,預算隨緣而一撥一樣。撥給你多少緣額,也多少預算給你。撥給你多少預算,多少支出也由你來付。這樣的說明,人民才理解,到底這7千億不是憑空掉下來的,是從他們原來向中央請領的老農津貼,向中央請領的勞健保的補助,現在向地方政府要。可以這樣去說明嗎? |
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我們說明的裡面的重點有列出這一項,剛剛部長講過,不是一個地方的,超過一兆零一百五十億,裡面就包含這些。好,謝謝,莊部長請回。好,議長、部長,我現在要來問的,就是慣白見識,來,跟用電波調顧農民,風災榮順,好下中間,緊處理,請我們的政部長,跟我們貴部長也請來準備,先請教議長跟部長,議長,是不是所有的農民都是中農? |
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不是啦齁,意思是說,農民裡面是正中的那些,還是不是正中的那些?不是啦 |
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市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長 |
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議員,你認為多少正中外中農可以交公牛? |
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複合主計 複合主計 一直跟你講啦 差不多三成啦 三分之一啦 三成 三成 三成 三成 三成 三成 三成 三成 三成 三成 三成 三成 三成 三成 三成 三成 三成 三成 三成 三成 三成 三成 三成 三成 三成 三成 三成 三成 三成 三成 |
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你知不知道,部長跟議長說婚姻婚姻跟總裁啦,我們來看婚姻跟總裁比,他是專顧高工業超過一成半但是總裁,不管他的政策的面積,還是他的善良的比例,他都比婚姻多,給1%、2%但是婚姻、收工的比例超過總裁第二名的10%所以你要知道,工業、收工在炒的,一定人啦,接受人啦,部長、議長,議長你有同意嗎? |
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我跟委員報告,就是說公牛的部分因為無綱的關係,它的生產的面積不一樣。所以說婚姻館的職位都要求公牛收工啦!國民黨全都陪這個婚姻館的在算啦!我們看一看喔!公牛收工,如果我們介紹六十塊的,會發生什麼問題?我告訴你,馬英九的時代,公牛收工介紹,介3個、介2個加起來,從233個調到28個。 |
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這供需上會產生問題,它會可能跑到工糧收購,讓我們長期推動這些品牌。 |
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當然不願意看到...這種事情對國民真的有幫助嗎? |
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沒幫助嘛,所以我們來看,為了這次的公營收工,我們政府付出這麼大的代價多少?補償是不是146億?現在國民黨的組長是不是要開146億?都總含本來的公營收購大概176億左右。好,因為請補償,即時補償去查。過去到現在,現在未來,公營收工有特定的教授在哪裏好處嗎?去請知好不好? |
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而且每年會增加九十億...要清雜啦!有人在公寓收工這一點好處嗎?這樣好不好?好!來!來!我們繼續看齁!但是農民的...你知道嗎?農民需要農水路的息息啊!我們的農水路灌白呢!每年都在成長!每年都在成長要經營5億!農水路改善、農田水利息息改善、配水的施設方面,農民的生產就要開花!你們有同意嗎?是! |
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所以你要看,我們的總預算,總預算全國有37萬公頃,這是有冠牌的,全國有57萬的農田,有六成市,是有農田水利息息的服務,對不對?沒錯,平常平均不到六成,比全國平均多少? |
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差不多五時三、五時四左右,比全國平均那幾天議長,現在這次都要補充,都要涉事的慣白,便當加強好不好?讓我們能夠達到全國的平均好不好?補充,農業部有需要的縣市要加強。針對有需要的這些縣市,我們會加強水路的一個設施。好,現在議長駁斥這個環節,便當不是什麼,便當是中央照顧受救,我們的所有的涉事都比全國平均那麼弱,來我繼續看齁。 |
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第6屆議員、農民的鄉愁者、農民鄉愁的經濟部、經濟部長、教育部長也來啦。我們的總副省、董事長、不是說電子,大家說喔,在野黨的團隊去電子。但是電子如果我們去過,農業、農民統計站、我們的吃蝦、用石火在營的電、水車在泊的電,都是經濟部補助農民。農業部長你說是不是? |
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昨晚一開始是農業部自己編列預算,然後之前就是由台電來補貼。現在中府省為了要接受人們鄉下的供牛收工制度,才要把我們的中府省給凍掉。結果我們每年度農民、農業、營田的補貼發不出去,因為你有沒有希望這個事情發生? |
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當然要照顧農民所以每一個農民都享受到農業用電的補貼為了接受人,沒辦法享受到我們來看,繼續看喔來,我們的農民用電,差不多24億我們的土地農水農,46億加起來呢,189億農電水利息是,來,補充,這個三峰台農村差不多多少錢? |
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那個楷米颱風最後的結算大概是44億然後山陀爾是6億這個是速報速報就差不多三十八億了對不對所以你看這三十八億加上農水路加上用電步走加起來都不用一百四十六億 |
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反對來說,這個公牛手槓就花一百四十六億,可以用來提升全國農民享受農水路的補助息息,可以讓全國農民享受到用電的補償,可以讓這個豐台受損的農民去做補助,因為你們要加強來做這些的東西嗎? |
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當然,剛才委員所說的農民需要用電的步驟,這應該是全部農民都可以感受到需要到的。所以我希望說,我們政府把我們的稅金用在這個關鍵的地方好不好?是。好,來,我們繼續看。來,不然這樣而已,風太大有什麼好處?來,請請保證起來,抱歉,不然給過保證說好了。這個風的地方有嚴重嗎? |
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下一張你有去看過嗎? |
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有你有去看過這個土盤,叫H缸要弄一缸到大缸才有泡沫弄到對不對?H缸要整個穿過那個廚房,那個鋼筋水泥的圍牆我拜託你,公牛收工一百四十六億啦,用在大營店補貼、用在大農水、農牌水、用在農民的農水培訓!我們起來給我們的學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生 |
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教育設施的受損是一定要趕快優先把它辦好,否則師生的安全堪慮,所以這個教育部會很積極地做好這件工作。好,請你把我們中央的學生不要讓教授去鄉修,要照顧全民好不好?照顧農民,照顧學生,好不好?當然,還要照顧民眾來,最後一項,這個已經過半天都要看你起來了,講到主來嘴。來,補充,全台灣啊, |
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全台灣吃煮來水的齁,同桌人吃煮來水,同桌人沒煮來水,糖果才會有關係?接水、接貢,接到就沒損失啦。接貢的破紀律啦,是不是屏東同酒?屏東同酒嘛。現在我們屏東齁,七八公兩年的五十點八三%提升到這個七八十三年的落尾,已經來到七十一點五三% |
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因為你們才聽得清楚,全國主來水的破紀律超過九成,屏東到近年才不用講到七成,都差兩成,你知道嗎?要看多年屏東關的官民才享受到全國平均可以用主來水吃到主來水。 |
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你不知道我告訴你啦,要90億啦,上一張,要90億啦,上一張,要90億,變坤坪來搞年,每年要變10億,後來在中央有一個無自來水地區的風水改善計畫第5期變75億,一年要用10億的預算,啊你都要搞年,因為中,民眾人會擔心久不久,你有要加薪嗎?不對,你有辦法加薪給民眾人,他知道可以吃就煮來水嗎? |
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跟這個委員報告,我們現在在專令來刊辦這個演講的這個作業,啊這個人工喔比較難聽啦。好,不管人工好聽好聽,我們有時候編下去,其他的部分我們提供來努力好不好?我們來努力啦齁?好啊。一定。 |
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剛才說的公牛收工146億,可以開啟對所有農村農民的照顧,可以開啟對全部農藥用電補貼農民的照顧,可以開啟對灌排息息全部農民的照顧,還可以補助豪風。還有一項,針對屏東,你能讓屏東的主來水一年多一年多5億,我們可以提早3年,破紀律,對到全國的標準,拜託議長可以支持嗎? |
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當然支持委員剛剛的建議最後我希望說今天我在這就要引用拜託我們在國會典禮當中,民意代表都要為民來請署但是請行政院要注意,我們這次開下去是多少人受邀不要說114年度的開下去是報分婚姻官、特定的農會、特定人士的地域 |
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我們希望這114年度開下去,用電的農民在補助,灌白適時的農民在補助,我們的農村在救助,我們的荷文站得快,還有屏東縣的阻礙罪,可以紮一粒達到全國平均的高層,每年改變有什麼屏東縣做阻礙罪,你說好不好?好的,委員剛剛所說的,如果當中有不法的情形我們查出來,但是我也希望農業部在明年能夠針對一級二短三期 |
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主席有請院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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國務委員好院長好我剛聽到宗家兵委員是針對昨天才劃法來向你告狀不過我倒是有另外一個角度來溫馨提醒一下我們院長你今天有沒有打電話給吳思堯委員打電話對今天沒有沒有你應該待會趕快打電話給他慰問他一下他受傷了你知道嗎 |
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是因為吳秉瑞把主席台的麥克風整個拆起來往旁邊一砸就砸中了吳世耀的手他那個痛苦的表情現在在畫面上都看得讓人家很心疼所以第一個我還是提醒院長 |
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意識上怎麼樣是一回事,但是吳士堯委員受傷齁,這件事情我覺得你要打電話慰問他一下。但你還要慰問一樣東西,你知道慰問什麼東西嗎?慰問一下麥克風。麥克風很可憐欸,吳士堯是被打傷,麥克風是被砸爛啦,整個摔起來砸在地上稀巴爛,那個順便彈起來打到意識,意識還要閃欸。 |
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臺灣今年董事長有前雲林縣農業處長呂政章接任,這個人事是您決定的嗎?當然我們在經過一段時間多方的徵詢考量 |
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請問台灣今年負責的業務是什麼? |
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他對一些不良債務的處理以及一些資產的管理、使用、收益等等。沒錯嘛,很重要的單位嘛,對不對?那我想請問一下,被您決定安排接任台灣今年董事長的呂政章,有任何金融經驗嗎? |
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比起八大工庫、工股行戶跟工股金庫,台灣今年看似單位的規模沒那麼大。 |
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可是你知道,出任董事長都很有來頭的,你知道吧?我唸給你聽,除了施俊吉擔任副院長,有擔任財政部次長的王榮周,財政部前部長的林正國,呂政章沒有在基隆銀行界上過一天班。我想請教,專業用人是我們賴慶德總統的一個用人的哲學,是不是? |
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我們一直在這個方面是比較慎重的。結果您決定用了一個連一天金融業的經驗都沒有的呂政章。你對不起賴清德專業用人的這個理念了。第二個,院長,我跟你講第二個更嚴重。呂政章不但沒有金融背景,家族還涉及弊案、遭通器,這個你總知道吧?我們在 |
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任用之前確實了解這個狀況也徵詢過相關的問題認為說家族的事業家族成員的事業也不會在他未來的工作上給予任何的方便因為這個是司法調查的過程當然啦你要跟我講現代的法制沒有家族連坐我也認同可是我要說啊天下專業人才千千萬 |
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那你用這個人齁基本上沒有金融專業背景你也說不是個所以啦你只說這個台灣金融好像意思是還可以啦那第二個更重要的是這麼多沒有家族牽扯的專業人才可以用那你都事前知道家族有人設幣、招通器你可不可以顧慮一下我們賴清總賴清總總有另外一個用人的招牌叫清廉你總知道吧 |
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結果你們行政院這樣子用人,你對得起賴清德總統嗎?我們當然有跟,透過我們本人的了解,說家族成員的關係我還以為你說你剛才有透過,透過跟賴清德總統溝通還是喔,今天說實在話,施俊吉就講了啦現任施俊吉的董事長齁,他很不高興吧他說什麼?他說其實不是你決定的 |
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他要嘛就是誤會那就是你今天沒有追尋賴清德總統專業用人青年用才的這樣的一個執政的用人理念要嘛就是今天所有報紙所有媒體所有外界在檢視呂政章最大最輝煌的經驗就是跟賴清德總統關係很好啊 |
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沒有別的耶 這個也是蠻慘的捏說實在我從過去在行政院或是我們在整個黨務或是選舉過程當中我並沒有發現或是我並沒有遇到或感覺的呂政章董事長跟總統有什麼特別的關係我自己是沒有感覺 |
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對阿你又不是總統肚子裡的蛔蟲所以我不會用這個方式或這個角度來衡量一下好啦沒關係啦我告訴你喔我真的只是提醒啦謝謝我們現在有外界的質疑也很在意的外界的質疑我們有嚴重的事情喔請財政部多多的監督不能有任何的不法跟特權好啦好啦就後面監督啦 |
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更嚴重的事情施俊吉董事長去職齁他說合理懷疑他的去職是擋人財路你跟施總製長溝通過嗎?不必懷疑啦 這個沒有這樣的考慮不必懷疑喔 擔心國家資產被賤賣絕對不可能 我們對國家資產的處分有非常嚴謹的程序希望之後不要羅織施俊吉的罪名沒有 我們對於施前董事長在任內的勞苦功高我們是永遠記住的 |
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話當然一定要講得漂亮是做人基本的禮貌對不對可是我告訴你施俊傑是民進黨的前副葛魁 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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還是他今天照你的邏輯他懷疑不可以還是他今天自己心虛你的意思是這樣嗎沒有心虛的問題他不必要做這種懷疑對我告訴你今天施俊吉他到底有沒有會被羅致罪名會被清算追殺當事人心中最清楚不是你今天你不是當事人你不知道他今天眼前看到所有的景象對任何人如果有不法當然會有調查但是我們現在是沒有當然這第一個喔我第二個跟你講 |
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施俊吉這個不平之名啊也不是完全沒有道理今天如果你找一個人過來你比我施俊吉的專業強你比我施俊吉的專業夠比我施俊吉的經驗足我施俊吉被你換了我也沒話說今天是嗎你今天把李政章取代施俊吉將心比心你是施俊吉你能服嗎 |
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我覺得政務人員跟國營事業單位的負責人我們都是在全盤人事考量底下做一種新的考量所以用新的創意年輕的創意來也是一個考量之一創意啊 好棒喔 我也好有創意喔 |
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所以你當委員啊?不是,我要講的一件事情就是,你不能憑感覺嘛!憑著感覺走!你今天實際上社會公益,我要講,你今天弄到一個前行政團隊,行政院副院長很高位了捏,很尊榮了捏。 |
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他都擔心被羅致罪名,你叫平常深斗小民能不擔心嗎?我對他沒有任何的懷疑,我個人對他沒有任何懷疑。你沒有任何懷疑,他懷疑啊!我說我他懷疑是不合理,不必要的。我回頭要講,我今天真的不客氣說啦,我認為施俊傑講重一點,只是當然是你齁,你是互阻心切啦。他說這人是不是你決定的,所以他不怪你。對不起我沒聽清楚。施俊傑說這人是不是你決定的,他不會怪你啦。 |
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用人為親,不顧專業,還沒上任,就是 |
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爭議造底你這個人是不是受你這16個字你像今天施俊吉最關切的是什麼他說台灣今年史上最大的資產飆售案蘇志芬召集地方抗爭導致產業退堂使得招標流標然後到最後在投標的時候開價就只剩下13億與底價相差甚遠所以呢各方勢力基於這塊土地已久 |
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希望無人投票後降價就是可能遭受最大的資產賤賣我告訴你施俊錡這一段話坑然有力喔但是委員我們都聽到蘇知芬委員也有對這件事情的回應跟說法我們應該同時重視但是我跟你講院長起碼拜託法務部嘛了解一下吧 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間 |
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主委員長,我上次有質詢您,說2008年的時候,擔任立委的賴清德曾經提案要退回行政院總預算。當時民進黨少數黨,所以提案沒有通過。那我想請教您,2008年賴清德當時退回總預算是胡錦濤主席下達命令來杯葛總預算的嗎? |
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我從來沒有這樣說非常好我肯定院長 |
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我告訴你,你這段話齁,最該聽的,當然吳思堯受傷齁,我是覺得要慰問他啦。但你這段話最該聽的也是吳思堯。吳思堯最近真的像瘋狂小紅帽你知道嗎?小紅帽上升到那種程度齁,非常驚人。重點是小紅帽一般是配大灰狼啦,那沒有他就配大黑熊啦。 |
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我們的黑熊學院的那個沈伯陽跟我們的小紅帽吳思瑤齁什麼事都要扣紅帽你剛剛還要慰問他你現在又在沒有沒有我跟你講兩回事就像說財政部要監管台灣金聯法務部一樣要去做所謂的犯罪偵查吳思瑤該被慰問是因為在立法院被吳秉瑞打傷這要慰問啊人之常情啊我也感到我也感到 朝野協商很辛苦的大家在協商齁要心平氣和但是我要跟你講 |
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當然那個是憲法賦予憲政機關的法定的權責之一 |
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你決定釋憲了嗎?目前我認為我們應該有好的方式,可以透過這種協商溝通。其實我沒講,院長我還真不反對你去釋憲。 |
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真的嗎?因為第一個,大法官那麼聽話,視線多好上次我們視線你也罵很多阿阿?什麼?對於職權刑事法視線你也很多意見阿我很多意見是因為大法官今天的表現太蹭你們的職我都有意見阿大法官今天完全照著民進黨的感覺走,超強的你趕快去視線,他一定會護你們的真的,我建議你,我是你就視線但因為我不是你我就瞧不起大法官,就是這樣子那第二個我要講喔 |
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立法院的法律有沒有違憲當然你有你的見解嘛 對不對你認為按照預算案的話不能增加預算嘛 對不對可是我認為是按照法律案啊那你說預算法裡面法律案也要徵詢行政院啊但是我認為武力華質詢行政院院長陳建仁的時候陳建仁就直接講說該修法就修法啊這算不算徵詢但修法的內容跟彌補資金之來源武力華質詢陳建仁算不算徵詢啊 |
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如果算,但是修法的內容要徵詢啊。徵詢就是詢問意見。一個徵詢,一個是指出彌補資金之來源。我做個結論,為什麼認為你視線好? |
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謝謝羅志強委員質詢,謝謝卓院長的備詢接下來我們請登記第19號王定宇委員質詢 |
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委員長,謝謝。麻煩請我們行政院長、卓榮泰卓院長。麻煩再請卓院長備詢。對,一定要辛苦。進步緩慢。 |
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我們最近在立法院的委員會都在進行各部會的業務報告是按照多年來的慣例業務報告完就要進行各部會在委員會的預算審查一條一條審該減、該刪、該動就來審查所以這幾次我們開完部會的業務報告之後我在主席台特別講說很遺憾我們接下來沒有預算可以審 |
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所以總預算現在被擋在你也不能說他退回了他就擋在陰陽魔戒卡在中間在程序委員會進退不得大概六七次了也不知道未來怎麼樣所以本期今天要詢問就是 |
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假設總預算是這樣狀態我們未來的政務該怎麼處理因為國家還是要運作不管是國防、經濟、交通建設所以目前我們遇到的狀況是如果這個總預算持續這個狀態下去那明年的新增項目的預算都沒辦法做了嘛那我們以往有新增項目預算在各部會其實都會做一些預製作業 |
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比方說像我們國防部明年要配發兩萬多把的新的步槍ST112要給我們的單位用可是現在總預算前景不明到底要不要先預劃預劃完了預算都還是不明這個後續會不會影響我今天主要是針對這些因應的作為來請教院長跟相關的部會首長 |
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比方說像軍公教人員明年要調薪3%因應物價的指數也因應我們現在整個整體經濟我們希望能夠經濟成長共享讓公教人員也好甚至可以帶動民間薪資的調漲目前為止因為明年的過年蠻快的一月底就過年了有關這個公教人員調薪3%如果總預算持續這樣凍結在那個地方不動那院長我們打算怎麼辦 |
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這個是非常典型的目前遇到的困難因為在 |
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軍公教人員調整待遇272億當中中央政府本身122億要補助給地方90億但重要的是地方90億要補助給地方90億那還現在地方議會現在在省財無所謂地方自己要編的是50億那這個沒有過他們不曉得怎麼樣編這個來源才法源就沒有了我今天就要請問因為我們主計長我們老朋友了我從議員就認識你我現在就要問這個問題啊 |
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因為明年度的軍公教條新是很多項目裡面一項我只用這當例子270億我地方政府要編50億我為什麼要編50億呢因為中央補助我90億嘛這個另外又牽涉到財劃法你把錢都弄掉了將來這90億是不是都地方自己買單就好了所以財劃法其實要好好討論不要這樣急救張啦昨天那一幕真的是難看而且對國家來講是重大的隱憂我回到我命題本身 |
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你中央要給我的90億到底有沒有不知道地方現在正在審明年度的地方總預算也在開議會當中然後我們明年度中央這120億到底有沒有也不知道所以我請教主計長或者我們的院長以這個命題來講軍公教調薪3%你們現在開始作業了嗎 |
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有沒有辦法開始作業?這個是人總那邊在負責。錢沒有著落怎麼準備?是,所以這個部分必須要等通過以後才可以發放。那我就請教人總。他作業程序是人總這邊來說明。 |
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你們有沒有預制作業先準備好如果我們韓國院長協調成功開始預算開始討論去執行了我相信這預算大家也沒有爭議那到時候過年前該條新的條新村里長的1.5個月新增的部分該給就給但現在不明嘛現在不明嘛就卡在那裡啊人長你們現在有沒有預制作業 |
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現在整個我跟委員報告一下現在整個程序就要等立法院把預算列入整個討論以後我們才會進到所以你現在沒有作業我們現在等於就是Pending在那裡Pending在那裡所以如果持續這個狀況下去最壞的狀況就是總預算都來不及審查或者都不給你審查 |
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來不來得及過年前給人家 |
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我這樣詮釋對不對? |
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我跟委員報告啦,其實這個問題喔,可以稍早過,我們就好有機會,幾年前就發了所謂...那你說這句話就是,如果照聽書,其實總預算案我們現在應該在審查啦 |
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因為延宕,所以這個作業會慢下來是必然的啦,它已經必然了。但如果總預算持續這樣卡在那裡的話,它就會不見嘛,它就沒了嘛。我這樣說沒錯嘛。 |
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所以,我是在說,有選有意見,我們做立委,要選擇、要動機、要選選,都是立委的權但是不要選擇放在那裡,這比刪除還慘我另外一個案子,人長可以先請回,像國防,國防目前新增的項目公開的部分69.5億,但機密的部分我就不講了 |
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新增的部分我們看第二頁我這邊就要請教院長了像我們潛艦國造有20億後續建那我們都知道潛艦國造後續建不是我方自己要造我們還有很多國際上願意幫助我們的好朋友冒著被中國經濟制裁甚至於中國去恐嚇他們不可以跟台灣做生意這一些技術協助也好這一些重要的裝備商也好 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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中科院在嘉義民雄的無人機園區 |
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還有我們飛機的防護堡,我知道下面很多啦,我有略...昨天網路的環島的第二路有,還有我們一些機密的建案,這個等等如果沒有能夠順利審議的話,就會造成沒有辦法如期推動。顧部長,我現在問的問題就是,現在的真實狀況就是,總預算卡在那裡,沒有送進來嘛。你們能不能有前置作業,比方說跟這個廠商說,我們會做,只是預算現在還沒有通過。 |
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還是你們會遇到困難,連這個都沒有辦法,變成要等預算明朗化,才能去不管是供應商的穩固,或者我們國內自製的部分的預備作業,你們現在到底有沒有辦法先前置作業先做?國行的預算都一定要尊重大院的一個決議,通過以後我們才能夠進行推動。沒過根本連談都沒辦法談齁? |
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沒過當然沒有辦法因為我們行政立法的相互讓我們提出預算那當然還是要大院要通過才可以軍公教人員的調整待遇這個還可以跟軍公教同仁訴諸於理但是人民這個健康的需求實在一日不可等這種國際的軍購的合作更有國際的信用那程度是更嚴重議員長你要講健康需求像那個抗癌新藥的50億 |
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你有沒有想過那慢一個月兩個月對某一個家庭的家人可能是有跟沒有的差別那個Pending那個卡在那裡影響大我就要問顧部長我們前見後續見其實還是需要很多國際朋友的幫忙嘛這個預算卡在那裡會不會影響他們的意願 |
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因為我們現在就是說明年如果那個原型艦的這個水壓測試通過嘛那我們就可以開始支用這些相關的這個錢嘛其實20億的潛艦預算佔比不大可能是一個態度因為我也贊成SAT水測航測完整之後我們再來處理後續艦的預算這個我個人支持 |
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但是我們國家展現的態度說來我這邊有點像deposit money就有點像預定金我這20億過表示我們國家會做這個決心因為佔整個的比例很低但連這個都卡到問題的時候那個後續件的那個比如說我們還有很多輸出許可還有很多這個次承包商他作業上他就停下來了他如果不過的話他整個就會轉向 |
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蘇蘇許可要時間,蘇蘇許可也考量到各國的他們國家的國內政治局勢當局勢變化,今年有40幾個國家改選當他們國家局勢變化,原來有的會不會變沒有了這個是我們現在擔憂的嘛我另外講一個是我們自己可控的我們明年要配發25000把左右新式步槍,這個T112嘛 |
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新式步槍提升步槍兵戰力,預算卡在這裡,我們的兵工廠可以先製造嗎?還是要等預算? |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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他要預作製造步槍要時間的要先預購材料那些鋼材啦什麼槍管的材料都要預購的沒有辦法有機會來指引這些東西因為這牽扯到我們的正規我們第一線的主力戰鬥部隊還有後備部隊因為他配發T1122後備部隊的槍也可以跟著更新接裝跟下一代的步槍所以這個延宕下去會不會影響到明年我們配發的作業 |
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如果沒有辦法如期的在這個會期通過當然會影響因為還有我還要跟委員特別報告因為現在我們有很多這個類似像PDA或者是FMF這些 |
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我坦白講 |
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PTA是美國總統的特殊撥款權FMF是美國的軍營項目這是三年當他一撥就是300億台幣或者100億台幣然後發現我們台灣的預算連省都不給省 |
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你如果是駐兵議委,你會怎麼看待這樣的事情?我國防先到這邊,部長請問,另外這個提問要請教院長,因為這是很重要的項目,有關我們成大沙崙這個園區,我們現在除了成大在那邊有一個沙崙醫院, |
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的計畫但是整個計畫的細部現在還在國發會一直沒有審下來另外AI園區謝謝院長那個你就任沒有滿月之前你就來這裡選擇AI園區要放在歸人沙倫這個位置那我們也知道AMD、NVIDIA大概在那邊有些計畫投資項目現在大概有四大項一個是AI的物流中心一個是生活資源 |
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一個是成大醫院沙崙園區加上大健康園區那個產業園區還有一個就是這個生活資源園區第一個沙崙醫院已經講了很久但我知道行政作業上他還要經過國發會同意同意完了還有細部計畫等等 |
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國發會什麼時候會通過?現在卡在那裡了。跟委員報告,這個沒有送上來,但是我們在10月7號主動的找各單位。你說沒有送上來,我得到的資訊,我得到你們回報資訊說在你那裡。沒有,我說明一下,我們10月7號找了各單位來開會,然後我們提出了改善建議之後, |
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陳大已經把他的改善建議先送到教育部了我希望要快因為按照期程明年搞不好要動工是幾乎很難搞不好要搞到後年你知道這個計畫什麼時候開始的大前年我都不好意思算那個年份了所以我特別拜託國發會主委你也問台南的拜託這個時間要縮短了沒問題因為我們是主動整合各單位的意見 |
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回到AI園區就是因為AI園區牽涉到我們AI不管是Database、算力或者是演算法它是一個很大的產業鏈那總統也希望我們的應用可以超越韓國從40幾名到第6名因為時間的關係我建議院長這邊早期我們在發展沙崙AI、IoT跟綠能園區的時候行政院有組成一個任務編組 |
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我們類似這樣的案子 |
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國發會、國科會甚至包括經濟部我們都有定期的在討論類似的問題。謝謝王定宇委員的質詢。謝謝主委長及相關部會首長的備詢。 |
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現在我們休息10分鐘,休息之後繼續進行質詢。 |
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拜會,現在我們繼續開會。接下來請牛許廷委員質詢。謝謝主席,左院長有請。麻煩再請左院長備詢。 |
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委員好院長辛苦了這個很高興稍微雖然朝野氛圍不睦但好歹在禁法補償這件事情上面看到了有一點點轉圜的契機但無論如何無論如何今天下午到底會不會復會不曉得但是我想透過這個預算答詢的過程大家把話講清楚還是非常非常有必要的所以今天本期打算用這15分鐘就好好從法理情三個角度我們來討論一下這個禁法補償的這個正當性 |
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那我們就話不多說我們直接進入主題第一個我們從法的層面來討論這個其實我聽很多委員的質詢包含這個卓院長在媒體前面的答覆等等這個卓院長都有屢次的提及所謂的憲法第70條預算法第91條及財政紀律法第5條對不對但我就想請問一下院長這幾個法律裡面有哪一條是硬性規定這個行政院必須要同意我們才能這樣修法 |
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當然字眼上沒有他說是要徵詢但是另外一個程序問題就是必須要指出彌補資金之來源就增加的稅數多少錢大家要一個來源來我現在就再請問卓魁本期在內政委員會其實我們在上個會期業績不錯通過很多法案比如說民意代表知己條例上個會期其實也順利的修正通過請問院長在這個條例裡面我們有沒有特別去指明新增的裁員在哪裡 |
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如果行政院院長同意 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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政策的所有事情的執行一定是涉財源嘛對不對但是不是每一件事情他都一定要用修法表明的方式所以我想院長你在這個地方去主張就是說你一定要續名財源的時候其實反而在實務上的見解來講他其實是不適用的難道不是這樣嗎 |
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我們處理的方式如果像剛剛委員所提的那幾個案子我們會把它放在我們的施政報告裡面或者放在我們的預算報告裡面那這個就表示它已經經過行政院了解整個預算的執行內容程序預算把它形成一個政策可以執行那就有資金的來源那如果沒有在原來的報告範圍當中突然跑出來一塊那就是在 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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可是我也要跟院長直接條明的講法案審查的時候不見得每一件事情都一定會有共識那不然我們在立法院是不是要表決器幹嘛呢對不對所以沒有共識的時候那當然就要透過正常的程序來表決那我要請問院長在這個修法的整個過程中從委員會的審查進到黨團協商最後交付這個大院表決有沒有哪一件事情違反了議事的程序應該沒有對不對 |
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如果經過很嚴謹的程序,那就是法律,我們就必須遵守。對,所以我們今天從舊法論法的角度來講,通過的是叫進法補償條例。即便憲法有講立法院不得為預算案增加之支出,這本席同意,但進法補償條例是法律案,也不是預算案,對不對?本席要花這麼多時間把它講清楚,不只是因為要幫我們的原住民弟兄討公道,也是因為本席是這個法案的共同提案人。我們希望立法院三讀通過的法律被尊重,這個我希望 |
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這個卓院長必須要了解立法院的立場如果我們在這個法條上有所讓步或者是不堅持的話變成形成一定要你行政院同意的慣例那其實對於立法院是一種矮化對於台灣的憲政發展來講也不是一件正面的事情啦我是希望能夠互相的尊重把一個法案討論到最成熟因為這個牽涉到預算錢從哪裡來是很重要的等一下我們在理的部分會討論一下預算的一些來源跟實務上的一些操作這個 |
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再退萬不言我們今天就把話一次破到底真的行政院沒有同意嗎來我們看一下影片 |
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雖然有點快啊主計長您會支持嗎?您覺得很多嗎?我想第一個如果這個要修法我們當然要來修法不過我首先要謝謝委員反映了這個族人的心誠這對我們來說是相當的重要那第二個呢如果這個經費的部分的話我請主計長哪一個政策委員應該經費到如果是服務法令大家自認的話編載預算裡面我們當然就會考慮我算過如果修法院長您同意的話我們以經費的預算來計算的話我們修法每一年可以增加13.6億院長你是不是樂觀其成?這個修法如果通過的話那當然我們就將來處理那所以如果這個條例談到今天8月3日通過我們未來能能的所需要的部分就該有40個條例那到時候我請委員來支持那反正相關的事 |
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7617.351 |
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委員長雖然速度有點快沒關係我幫你整理好這個時序3月1號吳立華委員的總諮詢就會講說金額要明定在法律透過法律的研議來辦理而這行政院長當初的陳建仁院長是同意的這個主計長陳建仁、朱哲銘前主計長也講說經費符合法令任農編債預算我們就來照章執行3月5號高進數美委員總諮詢一樣是行政院長陳建仁 |
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打詢說修法通過,我們就照修法的結果來做處理。在512號黨團協商的過程中,高金素美委員召集原民會副主委古仲講說,倘若這個條文經過大院的三讀通過,我們就要依法來編列,希望立法院支持相關預算。其實在審查的過程中,行政方難道沒有同意嗎?院長 |
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7653.616 |
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剛剛委員那段影片雖然很快我也聽得出來大家聽得出來文字上聲明也有講了很多次的如果、大概、倘若就是他設定了很多的條件如果通過、如果合法、如果怎麼樣所以這個必須要 |
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滿足這個程序阿剛剛大部分的條件都是如果法律通過阿法律通過了沒我們剛剛講了嘛經過了嚴謹的程序三讀通過那當然就應該要執行救法論法你如果講說哪一條法律明定你要同意然後我們硬要衝突那當然就是一個我們站不住腳可是今天法沒有明定你一定要同意我們有沒有徵詢有沒有討論其實都有嘛 |
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前朝同意難道現在換了新人就不買單嗎?這樣恐怕有失風範所以從法律的角度我想這是一個與法有據的事情也沒什麼好爭議的我們今天就把話講清楚行政院在本案其實早就同意而且其實院長你也常常講政策其實都是有延續性的喜歡或不喜歡多少要有點承擔如果說這個事情有雙標恐怕是不太好的事情從法律的角度我們要提醒卓院長 |
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7709.536 |
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二、從理的角度論述禁法補償的道理預算重編及修正過去案例預算連續阻擋好像是在野黨的責任一樣當然民意調查不這麼認為 |
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是因為現在時代很發達大家都可以把話講得非常清楚因為我們遵循憲法這個70條不得為預算之增加我不能等到原民會把預算送進來的時候我再講說哎呀這20億不夠我把它改成40億那就違憲了所以我們唯一能夠要求行政院依法編列的武器只好在程序委員會或者是在大院的時候先行阻擋的用意是希望你可以提出具體可行的修正方案 |
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所以我想這件事情其實講得非常清楚那有沒有相關的案例呢?其實是有的啊比如說民國93年中央政府的新十大建設特別預算他就試設了一些資源的重新分配所以處理方式撤回並且提出新的相關預算案94年這個審理95年中央政府總預算的時候因為老農津貼的增加所以提出了相關的修正97年同樣擴大內需的公共建設的特別預算案也一樣都有試設預算內容跟科目的調整 |
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7792.638 |
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所以一樣是提出修正到101年的中央政府總預算老農今天再次提高一樣用修正案的方式來處理所以說我們之所以沒有辦法讓他那麼早復違是因為在等待行政院提出一個務實的修正方案 |
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7815.466 |
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既然法有明文,前朝也承諾,那這院長本來就要有所承擔,必須要提出編列的項目。好,我知道,院長你可能要講啊,這個是財源啊,可能很短促,或者是壓力很大,這本來就不會不能理解,但是喔,認真說起來,如果我們從這幾年預算,光看中央政府預算的執行角度,其實不會沒有財源,為什麼呢?112年的決算啊,這個稅計剩餘是5億8千萬,中間還有保留了10億啊, |
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加起來其實就15億啊就你沒有執行完的預算在你中央政府這一大包幾千億的預算裡面沒有執行完的就十幾億啊特別這個前瞻計畫為什麼會跑出第5期不也是因為預算沒有執行完所以我用第5期的方式來做處理嗎 |
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到了今年113年我們正在執行的預算到第三季也就是到9月的統計資料有17個部會還有超過15億以上的勝利原民會還有25.88億的勝利當然院長你會講這個還有一季嘛有一季完之後大家就會趕工就把它執行完畢但本期今天要提這個概念其實只是講這麼一大包的中央預算三兆多兩兆多三兆多的預算如果 |
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稍作檢討可以節省案子節省一下對不對可以調整項目做一下調整20億相較於3兆2000億他其實是非常非常小的數字啊他甚至都不構成你前面講的這個預算稅數的大幅增加我們如果用中央政府總預算的角度來看所以不會有裁員的問題啊 |
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7910.977 |
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只要政府願意花一點點心思稍微檢討一下各部會哪一些地方可以省一省是不是這個21的財源就跑出來了就透過預算的方式來做處理不就好了嗎委員說的對的一部分因為從數字算數問題來看確實可以如此但是如果從原則問題來看那斷不可這樣子做因為這樣子我們在提出的施政報告之外突然多出來的一個政策、一筆預算 |
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如果這個形成一個可行的慣例將來行政院的施政報告那變成廢紙一張了你擔心形成慣例這個事情我們最後的時候花一點點時間來做討論但我現在目前講的是其實技術上或者是從金額的角度來出發我們純粹就預算的調度來講算數問題是可以解釋但是原則問題是不可以改變因為你的原則是政治問題我們最後的時間再來處理那既然其實你都談到了這個預算可行其實本質上其實它就是個分配問題 |
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7966.816 |
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今天大家去談淨法補償大家積極的幫原住民爭取預算其實這是不分朝野的大家用意是什麼呢我們希望對原住民好一點嘛院長你有沒有了解一下說原民的這個總預算佔總預算的比例是多少明年度我們編了124億對不對那比例是多少那增加的比例是比整個預算增加的比例高喔真的嗎來數字在這裡齁這個 |
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113年總預算2,800億元明會預算109億這個0.38% |
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8000.091 |
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再往前其實歷年來都差不了多少啦多的時候到百分之0.4不是4%是0.4%一%都不到半%都不到這就是我們政府對於原住民的資源投入啊我們賴清德總統曾經講我要當原住民的朋友我一直和原住民站在一起其實大家都希望幫原住民爭取更好的權益但是什麼樣叫更好的權益為什麼大家講說 |
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不能夠不能夠把這樣子的一個這個預算編在基金裡面來執行其實就是因為基金本來他也就是要幫原住民做事的一個開支嘛如果你用挪移的方式改由基金來支出的話他其實實質上會造成原住民預算的排擠 |
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8035.78 |
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既然今天不管是這個無黨籍的委員、國民黨的委員、民進黨的委員大家去談進法補償的時候都是希望在透過法令的修正之後政府能夠多撥一點預算改變分配的邏輯加大對於原住民朋友的政策挹注這個才是政策的本意嘛這個我想也是情有可原不是嗎院長 |
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8065.408 |
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我會歡迎也支持我們在政策的討論上從政策來討論之後彼此共同找出一個裁員像剛剛委員所說的我們用基金有委員有意見我們用二倍金有意見我們用最佳預算也有意見所以這個資金的來源到現在如何解決我希望我們能夠再透過朝野的協商找出一個大家都接受那我們以後建立這樣一個憲法跟法律的規範原則底下這次找一個如何能夠解決接受的方案 |
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8087.226 |
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這個我也幫院長稍微算了一下雖然我沒有寫在螢幕上面但是即便增加因為你今年編明年的預算的時候你的進法補償是由原住民的公務基金支出28億撥給基金從基金的部分支出嘛那至少收支是對列的之所以之前講說不能夠挪在基金裡面是因為他收支沒有辦法平衡啊久而久之基金就掏空了 |
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8104.404 |
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好,現在由公務預算來支持基金,它現在是對列的狀態,但是你沒有編組嘛,現在就是個問題,叫28億,如果把28億調漲成就是按照6萬塊的政策邏輯去做編列的話,還會增加13億左右的開支,即便把這個原住民的預算再增加13億,這個比例也不過就是從0.391%變成0.43% |
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8127.179 |
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真的不是一筆大錢但是對於原住民朋友來講他其實是很溫暖真的委員我也說我不是在意幾億百分之零點多不是這個問題是這幾個憲法跟法律的條文我們必須把它履行完整的程序最後還有一分鐘的時間當然就談政治的問題很多人講說朝野僵局很難處理 |
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但是我始終覺得行政端要負更多一點的責任為什麼這樣說呢?立法院狀況本來就很複雜各黨黨團有不同的意見立法權分拆在113個委員的手上可是行政權是相對集中的享有相對集中優勢的人難道不應該負起更多的責任嗎?這我想喔,院長當初上台的時候其實本行期待你是個通情達理的人嘛在以前政治人物的人設裡面你也是善於溝通不見得占第一線這樣的角色 |
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那我常常想如果你可以用這樣子的一個心態好好來跟各個黨的原住民的立委做一下溝通跟說明也許這個朝野僵局不會持續這麼久啊但這個是你不能期待立法院自己來處理啊對不對院長應該有更主動一點的心態吧 |
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8170.853 |
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8197.754 |
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你剛剛講我覺得蠻好至少我們聽到說追加預算可行那是不是有一個更清楚的方案比如說什麼時候要來具體的提出經過什麼樣的一個情況取得三黨的共識這個預算的僵局也許就解開了那請問院長有沒有具體的方案我們除了原民會的說明之外我一直尊重大院內部所以我們是透過朝野黨團在做溝通我們期待看到一個具體有效的解決方案這個會影響之後預算審查的節奏也好或者是期待也好這裡面都寫得出來了好不好謝謝謝謝委員 |
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謝謝牛許廷委員的質詢。也謝謝卓院長的備詢。接下來請登記第21號劉建國委員質詢。謝謝主席。有請院長。麻煩再請卓院長備詢。 |
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劉委員好院長好 院長辛苦不會院長知道您知道目前台灣的面臨到很多內外的隱憂嗎?很多的挑戰對 國家一直有這樣的外部內部的各種問題我們都極力的來解決你看這個颱風72年30來是大家你還是總統就要疲於奔命的要去看災這其實台灣面臨到這個狀況基本上 |
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要很多的因應的措施啊。剛剛我聽那劉委員的垂詢,劉委員的垂詢,我是劉委員。下午的總預算到底能不能互違?院長有沒有把握?因為院長那天在答覆的時候跟我講說,不至於不會過了。那萬一不會過,怎麼處理?而且又是你當了院長,第一次依照自己的意識去編的預算。萬一不會過,影響的層面非常廣。 |
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8318.829 |
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不然你都會影響到那你答覆我是應該不至於不會過萬一不會過怎麼辦下禮拜再來下禮拜再來下禮拜再來這個下禮拜再來到最終最終如果可以過那當然什麼事情都沒有了嘛就貫徹這個預算要達標嘛達到你們的意志整個施政的這個理念嘛那萬一還是不過勒 |
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8320.66 |
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你看啦院長我還是這一句話應該不會不會過因為這是國家人民的大事甚至台灣的大事現在看起來也是世界上一件重要的事我還是期待院長的信心可以履行啦齁但是還是要請院長要有相關的因應之道啦好不好謝謝院長那第二個今天是美國總統大選院長有預知的能力能不能答覆一下預知哪一位 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
8351.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
8372.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
美國總統會選會當選?我沒有這個能力預測本美國總統的選舉預測我們自己總統的選舉可能比較有能力美國總統選舉我沒有能力預測好那如果沒有辦法預測能力就應該要有相關的因應之道誰當選對台灣的政策對台灣的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
8373.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
8380.119 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
包含從經濟、包含從相關的產業會有什麼樣的影響?我們有準備好了嗎?你看喔,院長請看一下圖表 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
8399.643 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
8423.743 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
這個是我們近一年美國稱為台灣出口最大的一個投資市場那台灣在對美國出口額在過去5年是快速增加從2017年的115億到2023年是增加到215億美元換了總統,絕對有不一樣的做法跟思維嘛那我想美國總統大選之前已經鬧得灰又洋洋川普說過什麼樣的話,賀錦麗說過什麼樣的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
8426.203 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
8438.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
我想不管站在經濟不管站在產業不管站在投資美國這個市場誰當選對我們影響甚巨嗎那我們應該有相關的因應的這樣的一個方針在準備吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
8439.153 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
8467.558 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
我認為美國是一個民主純熟的國家選舉當中很多的政策未來還是要經過美國整個國家在大政策大方向的前提之下持續它長久以來的發展跟方向所以我是覺得未來的健康有序的發展應該還是我們現在有信心有把握的對院長有信心有把握我也非常的能夠期待但是因應的相關的方針有預備好了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
8470.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
8493.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
誰當選?對不對?我們應該有一定的應的作為嗎?請簡單答覆,謝謝。我們現在是有在做準備。那原則上川普的當選對我們差異性比較大。那我們也看到他整個政策主要是他會對中國加增60%的關稅。對一般的國家增加10%的關稅。那第二個部分在技術的控管。 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
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8518.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
那因為這個部分呢其實對台灣來講其實是利多於弊的原因主要是第一個會加速台灣的移動台商移動第二個事情是我們有這個機會得到更多的取代訂單取代那這幾年其實中國很多的訂單是被取代下來你特別提到他對中國會加稅嗎對其他國家會加稅嗎對台灣會不會對台企業會不會怎樣處理你如果要回答我就應該回答這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
8521.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
8543.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
基本上它是增加10%但是它是逐步增加那因為台灣的企業基本上是以幫美國廠商代工為主所以我們的影響並沒有那麼的劇烈那第二個事情是它會做技術的限令那技術的限令是為了保障美國利益那基本上我們會跟著這個技術限令中我們認為有機會得到好處 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
8545.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
8547.706 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
報告委員,我們的準備是這樣,就是依照這個國發會的這樣的一個佈局 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
8569.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
8585.026 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
那就經濟部的立場來看就像剛才國發會的這個推論是一樣的就是賀錦麗因為她是延續她民主黨的這個政策所以對我們來講是沒有太大的這個改變如果是今天是這個川普當選 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
8586.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
8586.928 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
我再請院長看這一個齁 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
8611.255 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
8636.712 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
台灣要進到超高齡社會,院長非常清楚,65歲已經要達到20%,可能今年年底就到了啦,或許是明年初嘛,原本是預估在最早之前是2026啦,你看這三年前就提早說提早會提早到2025,那我看是應該是2024的年底就會達標了啦,因為統計數據會有呈現的速度快慢的這個狀況。那五個人就有一個人超過65歲,這個國家的人口結構快速轉變, |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
8640.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
8657.257 |
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其實什麼都會變,從經濟、產業、文化、教育等等是快跟慢,這個部分坦白說,我在院長的施政報告我都有拜託過這一塊人口結構快速轉變的因應作為,院長我是沒有看到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
8658.001 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
8680.003 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
我們另外有人口對策的,在討論特定的議題,那已經開過數字的會議了。你再看,小英還沒有當總統之前的長照1,交1.0吧,平均4、5十億啦,坦白講很多是用行政院、預備軍去動之啦。小英上台之後的第二年,成立長照基金,從4、5十億變成321,你看那是幾倍數的在成長。 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
8681.564 |
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8703.553 |
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到了現在賴總統就位了,明年的長照今年是826億,明年是927億,還是快速在增加。那院長你可以看這個相關的一些資料,衛福部推動一國中學區一日間照顧中心,院長部長看一下,到了112年還有7個縣市未達成,未達到8成,院長覺得這樣很及格嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
8710.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
8711.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
家庭社區、機構、團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
8733.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
8740.961 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
院長跟部長開一個資料,截至到112年底,全國有7748村里,累計有4101個村里佈建,4830個關懷據點,佈建率為52.93,金門跟台北已經超過70%。我的縣市雲林縣到現在為止37點多,其他的縣市不及50%的一大堆。院長覺得這樣及格嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
8763.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
8792 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
那請衛福部跟藥都住行這個地方政府能夠配合那中央能夠協助的我們積極的趕上你的目標要不要設定出來院長是一個很有信心的人像這樣有三成多五成多的其他縣市已經來到七成全國目前為止在做這個關懷據點我覺得齁我要跟院長因為時間的關係我講最快的速度啦齁長照關懷據點重中之重 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
8792.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
8816.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
我一生追求是希望讓台灣的人民六個字而已預防走入長照或許大家聽起來會很衝突矛盾政府在推長照的政策裡面是百姓的感受度好的、正向的是非常高的那我為什麼反而不希望人民走入長照長照後反而法律定義非常清楚長期身體心理沒辦法治理 |
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8817.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
8842.526 |
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要讓人家處理啦,要讓人家料理嘛,簡單講就是要有六三六六就對了啦。我們做蓋好的長照就是很多人這樣的需求,你看他的預算節節在上升。這是非常恐怖的,你看有哪幾中央部會相關的各機關的單位預算,有哪一個像長照預算這麼快速增加?非常少,少之又少。 |
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8843.783 |
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8869.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
那代表整個臺灣超過一定的年齡的這個需求長照人數他是在擴充他是在增加那另外一個角度當然我們的服務項目服務的對象也在增加是沒有錯不過我必須要提醒如果今天賴清德總統打造的健康臺灣然後我們的長照的需求又持續在擴大其實這是衝突跟矛盾的 |
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8870.323 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
8880.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
簡單用一個台語說啦,簡單一句話就好了啦,人生如果吃到,吃到八九十歲,要做好東西啦,不用對那八成啦,不用用六三十九五六年就對了啦,這叫好事。 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
8881.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
8882.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
那我要請教院長跟部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
8919.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
當時長照呼喚我們在主體的時候啦報完長照基金在設立的時候我們都有特別要求一定要有預防走入長照一定比喻在長照基金裡面院長跟部長可以答覆我嗎?比喻是多少? |
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8923.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
8943.769 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
新委員的隨行,我們在長照山頂特別強調也就是委員所一直關心的希望能夠用預防的角度所以我們怎麼樣預防失能其實是長照山頂最重要的一件事情也就是說剛剛院長所提到我們健康台灣希望不健康的移民能夠降低 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
8944.611 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
8947.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
今年876億長照預防的比例在佔876億多少?明年920億預防的比例是多少?然後你著重在哪一塊? |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
8972.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
8998.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
除了你剛剛講的那幾項,你昨天再來一塊。報告委員長照基本上都是都是剛剛你講的就是說基本上看起來他的工作的內容來講基本上的確過去都是照顧這個失能嘛但是如果要把它推到前面那可能要結合到醫療體系跟社區整合型照顧體系 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
8998.911 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
9026.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
我真的時間一萬兩千年齁?我們如果陳吳院長也覺得預防走入長照是我們打造現在台灣的一個目標跟方法來講那你在長照基金的預防就比重要拉高嘛那我們就很清楚今年800多億你的預防比例是多少明年900多億你的預防比例是多少那你要放在哪一塊嘛你的社區公園據點你基本上你到現在為止全國不到五成 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
9027.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
9049.276 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
市區會計程的用意非常重要我原提的這個問題我們應該是科學上來把它算數一下因為現在比較難算數我們在比如說社區照顧多元當中有很多是健康跟亞健康的國人他可能進到裡面他不是需要長照的也有他可能在從事一些活動啦運動啦等等或交流 |
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| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
9076.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
那這個部分我們會有多少的預算或許目前沒有系列成這個樣子那這個研究是有價值的OK 院長 這個我們之前我剛剛特別強調在成立長照基金的時候我們就有特別要求了這一定要有一定的比例啦我們有關懷訪視嘛我們有參與健康活動等嘛這些絕對不是只有長照需求者的對象不是只有長照需求者其實坦白講我們現在處理的面向已經非常廣了 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
9077.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
9099.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
會得到正向的這樣的一個肯定基本上不是只有照顧這一群連波卡或旭緯我們一併在照顧了所以這個部分你們要非常的去盤整清楚然後到底這個預防的費用應該佔你的整個長照基金連對長照基金的比例是多少你才可以達到真正的預防總預長照的效果 |
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9101.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
9118.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
這個必須要!這個健康照顧的確是連續的,剛剛院長也有指示,那我想我們如果來把他欺負比較屬於在預防性,其實你現在在照顧就是讓他不要失能,不要躺下來,這個都是長照裡面非常重要的工作,這其實都是屬於預防他。 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
9133.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
施能的一個很重要的所以院長也有認同那部長我希望這樣我們再把它分析問題分析得更細緻一點這一個月也可以吧我們把這樣相關的面向把它盤整出來檢討出來然後我們在明年度的也明年度還沒 |
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好,謝謝劉建國委員質詢,謝謝卓院長及相關首長的備詢。報告委員會現在在議場二樓旁聽的,是我們張家俊委員邀請來自雲林湖林關大B歡迎,熱烈歡迎大B家的好朋友,謝謝。在接下來我們請22號登記的羅廷偉委員質詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
9174.858 |
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好 謝謝韓院長 有請左院長以及衛福部部長羅委員再請哪一位部長衛福部麻煩請衛福部部長備選羅委員好 |
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9195.109 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
9215.971 |
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院長好 院長坦白講表現的這麼差違法任用人士還違法進口輸出液、中火增加煙囪管、荼毒台中人這樣子總預算你覺得會過嗎?到現在還敢抗中保台出征劉德華你覺得總預算會過嗎? |
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9246.009 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
講了這麼多不要只聽後面前面最重要的整個預算人事的任用人事禁用的部分我也請衛部要再詳細的調查說明跟委員要做報告來 院長我跟你說就不符合資格任用的零星副審查員我們繼續我跟你沒完沒了10月23號衛福部高調的回答入取者雖然資格不符 |
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所以有多年的國會經驗他們需要尊重用人單位是以計畫、經費、聘用、約用人員現在部長你有沒有請他離開 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
9260.467 |
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9286.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
我沒有請他離開他走了嗎我跟你講我針對的是整個通案不是個案你們在媒體面前高姿態的告訴大家資格不符國會經驗需要現在你跟我講你私底下請他走怎麼了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
現在整個衛福部啊就是胡作非為整個食藥署的人事約用經費就有4.7億 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
9325.042 |
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整個政府我可以大膽的評估啊約用人員數十億的金額就給你們這樣子包庇人事案食藥署之花去酒店兼差沒有背景馬上被懲處現在這個林姓婦審查員拖這麼久你覺得合理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
9332.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
9334.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
我們都按照程序來處理齁,那不當的監視就馬上開場,馬上開機會了 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
9345.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
9374.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
整個資格任用的過程就是違法任用我要告訴你請院長承諾調查整個政府總預算約用人員有沒有類似這樣子的案件你這個有可能就違反到了使公務人員登載不實資格不符還硬要任用牽拖國會經驗這個事情我不是針對個案是整個政府人事的預算案都有可能問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
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9402.901 |
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所以我要請部長不要再亂了整個秋市風格整個衛福部食藥署大家都很不能習慣我們要的是治理好國家而不是再養你們這些綠油油綠的子弟兵啊所以我再問一句部長要不要錢你不願意道歉你不願意道歉你現在請這個人是要走人你幹嘛請他走不是沒有錯嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
9428.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
人民的血汗錢被你這樣子花?我不跟你談這個。行政單位的表現爛到爆有多爛?我們看看,針對三件食藥署的人事案本席發文給人總、法務部、廉政署竟然副本我也給了院長室,得到的回函是什麼? |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
9429.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
9456.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
是希望上級單位作為第三方人總的法務部廉政署能夠督導食藥署衛福部結果咧回文給我人總竟然說他們已經發文給衛福部請衛福部自己調查處理你的調查處理這樣子合適嗎自己調查自己我的天啊你們的行政你們的表現人民可以接受嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
9460.008 |
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9464.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
我們一切都會按規定來用人。院長,這是整個行政體系在做夢嗎?這些人事案不是昨天才發生耶,歷經了數年耶! |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
9476.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
9491.321 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
是我們點出來才處理到現在還說自己調查自己我希望院長立刻撤換食藥署人事室主任政風室主任要求人總法務部五天內給我們一個相關調查報告院長可以承諾嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
9498.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
我還是剛剛那一句,資格不符為先,如果沒有錯,不應該請人走。你現在請人家走就代表你有錯,你又不願意道歉。 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
9520.691 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
9524.835 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
這件事情我們後續再追我們繼續來院長針對輸出疫的現在的狀況我們政策有5點需求是整個本土藥廠一直在發生的院長你自行看一下PTT對不起 羅委員時間暫停那其他部長請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
9545.802 |
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9549.046 |
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時間還在走不好意思時間還在走剛剛院長說時間暫停待會要還我15秒好院長可以開始了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
9589.202 |
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針對整個輸出區,現在本土藥廠有五點需求。我簡單講一下,為了配合政府的政策補足輸出溢現在的缺口,因此嚴重加班,超時召勞工局來積查、罰款、祭典。藥廠配合現在的政府政策,但是卻沒有得到政府的幫助。 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
9590.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
9610.276 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
被罰、被祭奠是藥廠自己的問題,誰願意配合?輸出役如果最後沒辦法補足缺口,最後人民受害。有產能但能力不足,是不是藥廠不斷地在發生能夠比照所謂的過往國家隊,能夠讓替代役或高階能力能夠投入藥廠生產增加產能? |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
9610.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
9625.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
三、配合生產250毫升、1000毫升其他生理實驗水的規格、其他的容量沒辦法生產,被醫院開罰、重罰,食藥署到現在沒辦法溝通協調,只是道德勸說醫院不要罰。 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
9639.112 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
配合政府政策前提都是配合政府誰願意做人民最後受害這樣子的表現我在這邊發聲建保署8月15新聞稿就有說過為鼓勵國內業者增產10月1號調漲輸出益支付價最高27% |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
9674.041 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
院長您知道嗎這是參考10年前藥品支付標準的上限價來訂定的10年的波動整個物價大家都有感這種條幅完全無法滿足廠商的基本需求我現在在講的是基本需求連要謀生都不行了怎麼去配合政府最後沒有輸出益人民受害只是回到原先10年前的一個合價專案進口可以用高價格擠付 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
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9685.13 |
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專案進口可以高價起伏對於本土廠現在國產的量能卻沒辦法給予幫助合理嗎?又要馬兒好又要馬兒不吃草 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
9686.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
9710.604 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
所以我希望建保署以平時的價格能夠去兩到三倍進口輸出益這樣子圖利所謂的進口為什麼不能夠照顧本土廠所以今天我要在這邊講希望院長能夠邀集各部會聽取業者的困難邀集各部會一起協助衛福部處理輸出益缺口的問題院長可以答應我嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
9711.324 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
9732.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
專案進口終究不是一個正常的常態我們終究還是靠國內的廠商那國內廠商基本生產所需要的條件跟政府關係我們要維持好我會要求衛生部做好這一點謝謝你最後我要跟你講這個簽購採購案是誰核准的我想請問一下就食藥署5月13日啟動公開徵求專案輸入 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
9734.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
9759.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
我有去詢問過生理食鹽水有無依據政府採購公開徵求採購若沒有法律依據是什麼可不可以回答我們是用藥事法27條之二必要的藥品來 抓到了食藥署供應平台你現在在西藥供應資訊平台重點生理食鹽水就是非必要的藥品所以藥事法第27條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
9763.308 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
9768.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
根本不能使用你還在胡扯為什麼你一直要胡扯 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
9769.716 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
9794.193 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
要是把27條之二不適用於生理食鹽水,生理食鹽水是非必要藥品,這是你們開記者會說的。所以又是類推適用嗎?所以又是類推適用,上次我就問你了,你問我,你回答我說類推適用,你引用是藥事法,62條有漏洞,有漏洞嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
9824.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
有漏洞嗎我現在要先說再澄清一下我們用的是27條之二對不起所以又變了嘛27條之二我就跟你講了那你就不要開記者會告訴大家生理食鹽水非必要藥品現在又在用藥事法27條之二自己打臉你的臉不痛嗎它是人民生命所需要的所以它必須要用這個違法的專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
9839.944 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
這筆錢怎麼付?全民買單嗎?總預算編列這樣子?對嗎?說得過去嗎?我上次問你的用生理食鹽水要用消保法處理了沒?還在管保護公司喔? |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
9847.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
我就是衝著你這句話如果發生了人民任何的問題我就看衛福部要不要幫忙協助沒有錯那是我們政府機關必須要做的問題是 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
9901.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
我要邀請陳世凱部長還有林佳龍部長請上來請交通部長還有經濟交通部長外交部部長林佳龍部長請回衛福部邱部長請回彭部長彭部長已有你的事啊中火啊你怎麼可以不上來還是沒有環境部了是空汙汙染部 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
9905.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
9920.666 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
院長我就簡單請問你一個問題,中火現在二期燃氣的環評,在兩個月內火速通過出審,環評大會不理地方政府還有現在環團的意見,現在煙囪管會不會增加? |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
9921.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
9947.474 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
最終煙囪管會不會增加?煙囪管會不會增加?未來到2035年它只會有6部燃氣機組在正常運作還有咧?那6部燃煙機組備而不用中火的5根煙囪管要變6根這就是事實你旁邊的就是所謂的污染護航部 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
9977.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
我要告訴大家在你旁邊的林佳龍部長在105年擔任台中市市長的時候他非常棒他非常有勇氣他通過了台中市生美管制條例107年你們將空污法修二限所有地方政府為民服務為民把關的權利後面呢你把生美管制條例直接作廢你對得起台中人嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
9998.456 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
到現在為止我們看到了中火有可能火力全開藍旗藍媒機組指針不減王美花、蔡英文時期答應爭一拆一現在呢跳票做不到我請問院長你對得起台中人嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
10000.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
臺中人臺中人臺中人 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
10012.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
10031.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
陳部長我想請問你作為台中人你作何感想我在乎的是減煤跟減碳如果可以做到減煤跟減碳我覺得身為台中人是可以接受的所有的台中人都支持蒸汽減煤這是最重要的前提我們都支持沒有人反對蒸汽減煤 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
10057.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
但現在看到的是爭完氣以後你們所謂的備而不用環境部開了這個記者會裡面很清楚的顯示不是為了國安不是為了戰爭而是有可能小老鼠有可能松鼠、蛇造成的跳電我們就要火力全開你自己也承認晚上的時候火力發電高達95%以上院長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
臺中市的衛生局提供的資料肺癌是屬於很高致癌的癌症 |
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| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
一手拿著你的財產,一手拿著你的生命。我要告訴現在的行政院,我們不排除所有的抗爭,空污法107年修了,我們要把它修回來。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
10120.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
我們要還權於民、還權於地方我們要讓地方政府有權捍衛台中市所有國人的身體健康我們一定會全力以赴 |
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| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
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因為我們是以計算一分鐘為單元,沒問題,因為我們剛剛答問題時,我們再給他一分鐘,請羅委員繼續。我會要求台電把每一年的狀況算出來,告訴國人,也告訴台中市民。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
10178.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
我們不放心現在的政府一再的跳票連王美花曾經答應的蔡英文時期答應的曾一、蔡一現在都做不到你要國人如何相信現在的政府備而不用變常態使用藍莓基礎就是肺癌發電我們走著瞧二期環評也就是一個氣換一個美院長謝謝我還你時間好謝謝羅廷偉執行謝謝主委院長及各部會首長的備詢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
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在接下來我們請登記23號賴瑞榮委員質詢。好,謝謝韓院長,請卓院長。麻煩再請卓院長備詢。卓院長,對總預算復違有沒有信心,會不會擔心? |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
10224.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
院長這三個禮都可以接受嗎?對不對? |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
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也要大院能夠接受就你同意那如果立法院這邊也同意其實就解了嘛對阿在前面那幾個原則性的問題大家要有共識對那另外你有一個原則啦就是說對於這個行政立法要相互尊重是相互尊重的意思其實就是在於說這幾個預算如果有增加部分一定要得到行政院的同意嘛對不對 |
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要徵詢,同時必須同時找出彌補資金之來源,否則突然間預算會大起來,會對我們整個施政的原始計畫會產生排擠。這是在建立行政院立法應該相互尊重的一個機制,而且是責任政治的機制嘛,不然立法院毛起來一直增加預算,那行政院每一個都要買單的話,那這個施政怎麼施政,那責任誰負? |
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所以我想這是一個憲政的問題那我想這個原則確實基礎所以這也是上次院長說過這一次用這樣的方式來處理那當然未來還是希望一定要回到憲政下的這個相互尊重所以對這一次建法補償我們也希望說如果大家有前提共識之下我們共同來尋找資金之來源那可以把這次程序完全的補正那將來大家彼此按照這樣的共識跟程序來進行以後的法律案跟預算案 |
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所以未來照這樣的程序來走也就是說不應該在行政院不同意的狀況下硬增加預算是吧是要尊重彼方彼此之間的意見那我再問一下院長那4萬跟6萬這個部分呢?進法補償4萬跟6萬的部分就是中間如果有預算還不足的部分我們就希望剛剛說的三個方式所以院長可以同意6萬但是就是用這三個解方來解啦用原住民綜合發動基金這是要解決今年的問題我們願意這樣來思考 |
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我還是要問如果最壞最壞的狀況 |
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不通過的話,一樣不復違的話,對於整個明年度的總預算會有什麼樣的影響?我看到了影響會有2500億,其中有700億是民生的支出啦齁。我先問一下,那如果預算遲遲無法復回審查,遲遲無法通過,到了今年的快進年度前都無法通過的話,那對於軍公教條型會不會產生影響? |
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對,我們這是為了健全台電的 |
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建權他的這個財務我們希望以前的補貼政策跟目的世界主管機關能夠有所因應所以會回到目的世界主管機關去編列那這個部分可能造成將來在用電上或是電費收取上會造成彼此之間造成很多的不便因為電費我們還適度的做了一些調整嘛那但是調整之後我們希望不要影響到學校會給他補貼那如果預算沒有通過的話學校沒有辦法拿到這個補貼他用電上面一定吃緊嘛因為你並不清楚你到底能不能 |
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一開始可能一月份開始沒有遇到這個問題但是總之你讓一個狀況在不穩定的情況底下持續下去大家心理上的不安焦慮就會產生 |
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道路改善的經費104億這個會受到影響,地方政府包括很多地方的重要道路改善包括省道改善計畫還有很多護理人員的整備計畫還有家電的住宅家電的一個效率的提升公共公路系統運輸系統的整個永續發展都會是在相關的就是補助給地方的676億當中 |
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特別是在今年度幾個颱風都對台灣產生相當大的影響不管是豪雨或者是風對於整個道路影響其實很多都需要這個都有可能會產生影響所以我們希望這個總預算要盡快不要讓 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間 |
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這些都很急啦,包括前瞻也很急,甚至於包括台電的撥補也很急啦,台電如果不持續的競速的撥補的話,他一樣有這個電價上的一些壓力啦,所以我們認為這些都應該立法院競速來審議。要刪或者要怎麼樣凍結都可討論,但是全部把它卡住了,連審都不審,我認為這是立法院施予自己的職責啦。 |
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那在我請教我看到消防的部分也影響到了消防部有11億的安全這幾年的部分我看消防人員有時候也確實出生入死這個部分也應該給予更多的支持對我們對消防弟兄 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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執行工作的安全動用第二日備金我們也同意我們這個部分我們絕對都國家是一體的啦其實是應該要整體來支持其實不只啦包括教育包括甚至醫療癌症的新藥包括甚至農民包括國家安全其實都等待這些預算 |
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新增的部分沒有通過新增是無法動用即使是延續性的計畫你沒有確定下來的話他在使用上面有很多的一些困擾所以我們真的認為立法院應該儘速來復違把總預算來復為審查我認為這個才對得起國人對立法院對於整個政府的期待 |
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除了這幾個列以外其實我看到還有很多沒有列在上面也很重要包括0到6歲國家養我認為這個非常重要少子化很嚴重問題我認為包括賴總統包括左院長的團隊很重視支持我非常的贊同 |
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三百三十五億的這樣一個經費一樣如果沒有盡快通過其實在執行上面明年度很多要執行也會遇到問題包括給這些的新的父母新生兒的父母給他們更多支持力道絕對會受到影響我們認為這個都應該盡速來通過是0到6歲國家一起養包括前瞻包括非營業特種基金加起來一共有1177億是 |
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每個家庭都在等待跟過去一樣政策的延續或是新增的項目下一代是我們很重要的競爭力啦如果我們的不斷的掃紙話題不能夠去做的有效的解決這是一個國家要面對問題那我認為都不應該讓這些事情去卡住了這個國家該做的事情這些事情我沒有看到任何人反對幾乎朝野的立委都支持但是總預算卡住了他就是無法來執行 |
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就是因為看到這樣我才覺得我們應該深有信心包括地方治水包括地方治水現在這次颱風完了很多地方治水也很急著特別是今年我們又新發現有些問題要去強化的地方治水又有159億新增的部分新增的部分就增加100億如果新增沒有通過的話它根本連動用都不能動用 |
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所以這些全部都是國家應該要儘速來推動所以我真的也認為也期盼下午的這個副委的部分要儘速來推動所以再次問院長對於下午的總預算副委有沒有信心 |
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我對立法院很有信心很有信心我們看到各地方政府包括新竹縣長楊文科國民黨的一個縣長也認為期判立委他也呼籲他的兩個立委趕快來做審查我相信這是所有地方縣市政府共同期判 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。：完整會議二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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今天的部分空污最嚴重的地區,院長你認為在哪邊?北中南空污最嚴重的地區在哪邊?北中南空污最嚴重的地區?最嚴重的地區。今天吶?今天,其實我告訴你好了啦,這幾天都是南部啦。南部為什麼空污最嚴重?今天,昨天是舉井,南部是舉井,然後北部是綠的。 |
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今天黃色的臺中綠色臺北綠色空氣良好所以高雄其實南部高雄屏東台南都承受了這個重工業城市的很多的一些壓力那我要講的是在採劃法裡面的時候我都認為應該要多去照顧這些為國家付出跟犧牲這麼多的一些縣市他臺電電力啦高雄電力是40%往中往北送 |
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剛剛還在談要不要電廠,高雄還在增加新電廠,在增加新的燃力電廠,即使高雄已經增加了40%電往中央、往北送,高雄還是在增加電廠,因為他考慮到是國家整體利益,但也考慮到未來高雄產業發展需要,這個才是一個大格局在思考國家的思考,如果每個都只想著自己的話,那什麼都好的我都要,經濟發展我要,招商我要,電力建設我要,但是發電我不要,發電你發給我,那這樣國家不會進步,城市也不會進步, |
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那我要講的是財劃法的部分昨天我看到財劃法的版本國民黨版本3%直接給台北市說因為台北市是首都院長這樣公平嗎 |
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你的看法呢?長年以來就是在這種計算分配底下對財政比較好的縣市尤其是直轄市一直都有比較好的分配那對於這些財政困難的地方院長如果國民黨版本裡面直接再加3%優先分配3%全台灣只有首都有台北市3%院長你認為這個有道理嗎?你同意嗎?你支持嗎? |
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我雖然在臺北市出生照道理講臺北市的建設我要重視但是我要公開的說我在立法院幾年當中我沒有為臺北市爭取過一塊錢我認為臺北市是財政是很好的他應該均衡好臺北市已經相對於其他縣市已經是天之礁石及其他國家整體的資源還硬要要求3%的財政分配比例給臺北市我認為這是完全是不公平也不合理的所以我們現在會重視把臺灣整個均衡加在隨便舉個例子就好臺電的電廠 |
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高雄、興達、南部火力發電廠、大陵電廠兩個在我的選區內總公司設在臺北臺北佔盡了這個優勢工廠在高雄、污染在高雄而稅收是在臺北的光佔了這麼多優勢都還沒有算這筆帳的現在還要求不會的多數的這個國民黨要求把財政收入範圍3%交給臺北市院長這樣有道理嗎?你同意嗎?你支持嗎? |
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如果從整體軍人台灣的角度來看確實是應該要檢討但這個制度長久以來存在那我們過去的幾年以及現在我們是希望用其他方式把需要的地方我們用統籌分配稅款的方式或其他的方式能夠把它拉高 |
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讓台灣的各個縣市能夠比較均衡我希望在院長這個你的任內齁應該要全力的去均衡全台的一個發展全台發展那不要特別是全部過度集中在台北絕對不是好事包括人口過度集中造成的各項的問題絕對不是好事包括房價高漲交通塞車包括所絕對不是好事那如果能夠全台均衡發展不要讓人一定要到台北才有好的機會我認為那才是一個健全的台灣跟一個成熟的台灣 |
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除了一般的補助之外,其實我最想做的,是把那些財政能力差的縣市,如何把它補救回來,讓它能夠有更好的競爭力。所以我認為有很多調配的工作其實是要由中央來做啦,你把錢全部丟到地方去,那很多是需要大筆的資源,甚至統合性的工作,跨縣市的工作,那誰來做? |
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所以我覺得這個絕對不是一個好方式就像以前那個縣市很多時候以前沒有執強室以前就很多鄉鎮每個各做各的每個鄉鎮各做各的就反倒不整合就後來反倒是由中央整體來做之後比如說執強室來做之後它反而可以達到整個更好的一個效果我也希望財政收支劃分法朝野要大家要有耐性做一個好的處理 |
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每個黨都有可能成為執政黨每個黨也都有可能成為國會的多數黨如果一直這樣搞的話國家永無寧日我認為對國家長遠發展絕對是壞事院長可以這樣看嗎為了我們區域性的治理比如說桃竹苗、中章投雲、嘉南、高屏、花東、北北基等等這個根本更不可能是單一縣市可以自己完成 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間 |
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八年前的時候林全院長到了大林埔去為了過去的這個遷村就是對空污的污染跟所有的鄉親們代表政府來道歉同時也承諾來進行遷村來改善鄉鄉市營院長 |
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可不可以邀請你到大林埔來跟鄉親們聊聊聽聽鄉親們的心聲。好的委員上司也跟我提過我相信下禮拜之後我應該有比較充裕的時間可以更多時間到各地去走走看看。我認為院長是這一段相當柔軟也相當有智慧的那我也希望你到地方去之後聽聽大家聲音也讓大林埔的人知道說院長包括現在的團隊非常重視這樣的問題現在不管是前村的進度不管是從環平到 |
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謝謝賴院長委員質詢。謝謝卓院長部會首長的備詢。 |
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報告委員會,現在在議場二樓旁聽的是公民監督國會聯盟、美國國際民主協會、英國西敏市民主基金會、澳洲、阿根廷、泰國、印尼等各地的學者專家。我們在此熱烈歡迎。歡迎。在接下來請登記24號賴世保委員質詢。 |
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謝謝主席有請行政院的卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢代委員好代委員長你好我是不是可以合理的比較樂觀期待有關於這次總預算那麼你已經 |
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宣布了,或者是要處理了,就是差那個20幾億,一定把它補起來,我可以這樣子理解嗎? |
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行政院有提出我們的看法跟期待那我希望這個期待是我們互相建立這樣的尊重共識原則底下我們共同來找出資金的來源那我已經提出了幾個方法但是每個方法都有委員不同意所以我想還是要談一下那總之這就是一個解決的方向就是要解決嘛!可以解決了這個要感謝我們韓院長他這麼智慧先讓這個程序先走 |
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照你講,他是等於立法院先繞布,你知道嗎?兩者尊重啦,我也感謝有這個機會來做說明。我們說這是什麼,狹路相逢是勇者順。院長、韓院長很有智慧啊,扭一下,表面上讓你贏一下,事實上雙贏喔。國家往前走,所以20幾億的追加預算不要跳票。下午就很簡單的啊,復會就很簡單啊。 |
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謝謝委員幫忙謝謝委員支持阿你要先坐阿院長給你搭一個台子你就順勢走下來對不對你要不要感謝一下我們韓院長謝謝韓院長謝謝大院其實如果是第一一開始就復委我來這裡講的跟今天講的就一模一樣這個這個內容從那個時候到現在我心裡的準備是沒有改變阿你先回我阿再先好啦我不要當這個時間了喔我們來看一下 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議 |
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這部長可以來幫忙喔回答一下啊經濟部說認同欸我們中友董事長說要漲油價那個白話文就是要漲油價委員不是這樣的講法也不是這個邏輯啦不是這樣的講法我們的油價調整每週他都有一個機制在調整這個機制不會改變這個機制不會改變 |
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報告委員我想這個現在的經濟學都這樣子啦今年的這個諾貝爾經濟學獎 |
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德祖他講過這種廣納型的方式可能會得到一個比較好的結果所以拋出一個大家可以討論的議題聽聽這個社會的意見所以沒有錯喔 拋出要漲價的議題大家討論就是這樣就這個意思啊 對不對這種在室內討論的這種大概沒有辦法聽到所有人的聲音 |
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所以一定要跑出來 |
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請問你啊 請問你啊 |
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現在的中油累積虧損多少?啊?中油的累積虧損多少?現在中油的累積虧損,你是說今年嗎?全部累積虧損當然到目前為止啊今年大概累積大概800億吧?累積虧損600多億啦,台電累積虧損多少? |
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臺電臺電多少我要強調的是在於在於啊你是說隆重嗎隆重累積啊累積啊收罰到現在為止過去盤古開店到現在累積虧損了現在臺電的累積到4200億好那你說臺電我們就要漲價 |
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委員我們在這裡對話齁都有一個責任就是讓社會安心這並不會發生的事情 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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這個只是一個議題嘛 |
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我想這個委員你以前也是當教授你也很清楚這個都可以討論的阿部長你這個話跟院長不一樣喔院長踩了很死喔沒有得討論阿你是說大家討論他講的是投資喔他講世界是投資不是說調整這個價格喔菲律賓的如果在那裡種綠電運花來4塊錢那不可能4塊錢青菜公共捏 |
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你知不知道菲律賓的電價平均多少?報告委員,我是不會青菜公共的。我在大學也教書,我教研究所,我怎麼可能青菜公共?我跟你一樣,你英國也在大學教車,你怎麼不青菜公共?我都不會青菜公共。你去大學青菜公共,不青菜公共,來這裡青菜公共?你跟我講啊,4塊錢! |
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菲律賓的發電成本多少你告訴我菲律賓多少錢各種不同的綠電平均多少我跟委員報告 |
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不是 委員 你知道價格的影響變數很多嘛 |
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那不能講說他現在的價格他現在的價格根據規模根據...我已經講過了我在菲律賓的這個價格4塊錢到台灣我才可能買 |
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如果不考慮土地成本不考慮資金成本 |
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那麼他的創電價格可以控制在3塊以下你先請回吧,因為我的題目很多,你不要在這讓我有太多時間請一下那個外交部長好不好好謝謝,麻煩請外交部長備詢這個院長看好齁 |
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外交部長林佳龍10月29號去訪問聖文森對吧?部長?對,報告委員對啊!參觀了Orange Hill菊山生技中心我們還投入了1.3億包括菊山生技公司當然在聖文森這叫做什麼的? |
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這叫做大麻的怎麼會把我們國和基金的錢拿去投資拿去鼓勵我們的友邦做大麻這對我們來講是毒品吶報告委員查無此事查無此事什麼叫查無此事我聽不懂 |
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就是我們沒有這個任何去援助跟大麻有關沒有,你有沒有投資一點三億給他?橘山生技是有一個很重大的一些...請問你有沒有...我們最主要包括養殖啦,這個畜種啦我就問你這個,有沒有投一點三億?我們...投一點三億給他們?查五尺是沒有涉及任何跟大麻種植有關 |
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我們有協助他們包括家畜類還有包括果樹但是沒有大馬這個院長你要不要借這個機會因為我跟你講一個背景故事請問聖文山的人口多少11萬他們的國民所得多少 |
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他們大概都一萬左右不大概一萬啦,八千九千左右啦齁這個這麼小的一個國家他的主要很重要的一個出口就是表面上叫用要用的大碼事實上就是娛樂性的大碼這是他很重要的產品輸出當然他大碼合法化了可是他基本上來講的話他就是裡面盛產了 |
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報告委員我們比如像鳳梨的這些玉 |
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大麻當然不是一個合法的不可以合法喔不可以合法然後 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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對,我們不會去投資跟大馬有關的報告委員,維持外交關係當然要用很多的方法但是我想外交部會一定已經非常的謹慎跟我們各個有幫民主夥伴國家的合作也一定要在我們國內是合乎我們國家所需求的跟法律的規定,這個無憂置疑我提醒你,你這國家大馬合法化了啦 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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現在大家最關心的請問就是川普啊川普到底誰會當選川普已經講了兩次了說台灣要Pay for Defense就是要叫保護會Pay for Defense講得非常清楚那我就請問啊兩次要叫保護會如果一旦這次大家認為川普當選機率很高 |
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那我們是怎麼樣?直接付跑分費向這個韓國日本駐地當地有駐軍的美軍替他付錢最近漲了好幾倍喔漲了好幾倍喔還是說我們增加武器的購買還是呢增加像台積電多一點的台積電去那裡設廠哪一個院長你要不要講一下還是部長要講OK |
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我想跟委員報告我想不論誰當選我們國防部的立場就是說我們一定要展現自我防衛的能力跟決心那我們的以這一個 |
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展現自我防衛人的決心來讓美國能夠看得到然後他們現在也運用各種的安援的手段包括PPA跟FMF所以他也很關切我們的國防的預算所以我們的國防預算也是一直以來都足足穩定的成長我們買了很多武器他最可能就是叫我們多買一些武器 |
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雖然有時候廟宇他不賣但是呢他只要願意賣給我們我們就歡迎但是我們就發現到人的問題最重要 |
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人不足啊,所以有沒有可能我題目我時間快到了,就問你這個最簡單的問題給志願役加薪可不可以,志願役加薪志願役太低啊,薪水太低沒人要來啊所以現在只有八成補啊這個補我們正在研議當中,因為主要是主戰部隊的邊線比比較低所以我們在志願役的勤務加急之外,該要針對主戰部隊的志願役加50%有沒有可能 |
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我想這個要看整個傳譯度因為整個調整的弧度我想我們必須要研議之後 |
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謝謝,謝謝賴思寶委員質詢,謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長的備詢,謝謝。報告委員會在一場二樓旁聽來自屏東縣離港鄉族群融合協會所有的好朋友,歡迎,歡迎,各位歡迎。報告委員會上午的質詢到此為止,下午2點30分繼續開會進行預算報告之質詢,現在休息。 |
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麥克風測試1、2、3 |
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發言會我們現在繼續開會現在議場二樓旁聽的是臺北市玉光德福實驗教育機構所有的教職員大家好歡迎來立法院熱烈掌聲歡迎接下來我們進行預算報告的質詢請邱志偉委員質詢 |
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好 謝謝院長有請行政院卓院長外交部陳寧部長麻煩請卓院長、外交部、國防部部長備詢卓院長好院長辛苦了不會我們每天都在思考國政 |
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思考怎麼讓國家更好讓人民更幸福那我認為面對所有的挑戰所有的千秋霸業基本上都從山窮水盡中開始執政者要做最好的準備但是做最壞的打算所以每天都要戰戰兢兢努力成功 |
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所以莫忘初心方得始終初心亦得始終難守這是為政者該有的基本心態那我相信這個內閣用人一定有他嚴謹的程序用人不疑 疑人不用最怕是且用且疑或是半贏半拒 |
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我認為這個所有用人程序在那個部分絕對沒有問題不管他跟他操守能力各部分一定有他嚴謹的程序跟標準那我想請教這個為什麼最近會有那麼多人事的紛擾我相信你是一個仁義之人而且你是用人為財是財是所對國家的未來你們思考最好的人選 |
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委員提到這一點 |
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我完全相信人事學是屬於行政權力部分 |
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政務人員上臺下臺就是離本屬稀鬆平常之事。任何從政者就必須保持一個平常心。他為什麼下臺還有人發出不平之名。我覺得用人程序嚴謹這絕對是沒有錯。這個標準我相信卓內閣已經做得到。我們一定非常謹慎。那我覺得那一定是有特殊的原因或者是溝通不良。如果溝通能夠好一點。 |
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讓離職者、讓下台者能夠有更多理解我想就不會有這些誤會了是的,所以我們這個過程還是需要回過頭來看看所以我充分尊重我們都要充分尊重這個行政權裡面的用人權是財是所,用人為財我也相信是卓內閣這個用人的唯一的標準我相信但是我覺得要跟社會做更多的溝通跟說明是的 |
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當然國家面對這個主要講嚴重一點是內憂外患內憂我們有內部政黨的嚴重的對立甚至社會的分裂外患中國的武力的威脅每天持續我個人認為我的觀察內憂部分藍白之亂 |
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是屬於界限之極,會亂,會覺得很煩。界限之極啊,每天都會覺得很亂,每天都會覺得很煩,那邊也癢,那邊也癢。中國的威脅才是台灣的心腹大患。所以要治療界限之極藍白之亂, |
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人民的理性力量很重要我們如何讓人民的理性力量發揮在下一次選舉給予藍白色人這個制裁我相信人民的理性力量但是中國的武力威脅是台灣生存的心腹大患不能只有他們有毛我們只能用盾不能他們只有劍我們只有盾 |
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建、頓、合一、有攻有守如何落實在外交政策跟國防政策上面如何反映在預算上面非常重要我們不能一直歪打,我們不是要採取防衛式所以我希望說針對中國武力威脅的這個心腹大患在外交政策上面在這個國防政策上面應該更有全盤的思維 |
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過去我們在民主運動發展的過程我們從外徵主權內徵民主的過程到現在我們在 |
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地緣政治的戰略地位在國際產業鏈的供應者的地位我們現在要維持的是讓台灣能夠和平穩定繁榮發展這個是我們更大一個目標在這個目標底下當然我會願意看到全國大家用這樣的共同方向當作團結的力量那也讓國際社會看到我們有自我保護自己的能力也願意負起國際的責任這個才是今天卓家最重要的發展之道 |
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對界限之急有沒有耐心這可能長時間會對我們造成困擾我說內憂的部分外患的部分我們要有很明確的主張、策略、戰略來對付台灣的心腹大患所以應該有一個全盤的策略怎麼樣讓國人安心、國人放心台灣絕對可以保衛民主自由、主權獨立 |
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身旁兩位部長都是國防外交最重要的掌握者那他們對於國家的主權跟國家的安全都會列為最重要的國家目標一定要讓國人安心、放心而且要保衛國家的決心我談到一個個案就是立陶宛最近國會大選國會大選內閣改組 |
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當然總統在我們代表處的名稱過去跟前總理是不一致的那現任剛當選的總理他跟總統他對台灣是相對在我們代表處的名稱是相對比較保守好,如果內閣改組國會改選產生的新的內閣總理跟總統的對台灣代表處的名稱是一致的 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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政府會更迭政策會改變我說的是政府已經更迭了 |
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那我們會不會被迫更名,我們有沒有相關的因應之道?當然,針對各種可能透過政府跟政府之間的管道,我們都會保持很好的溝通。目前就是,其實這也涉及到立陶宛,雖然有提到 |
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社畜名稱中文英文的問題不過他也是一個有自己主權的國家他也不會在中國的脅迫之下就做出什麼決定那我們大家盡一切的努力去溝通希望能夠維持這個當時兩國同意的這個我對你有信心我也對卓院長有信心我們一定可以把這名稱保留但是要做很多的努力是 |
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地方財政收支已經改善得非常顯著,中央補助地方的金額屢創新高, |
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你看這個從蔡總統到賴總統改善了地方的財務結構讓地方政府長短期的債都逐年下降對地方政府補助逐年增加明年會創新高到1兆151億 |
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好,在這種現況之下,地方補助昨天增加,財務狀況也明顯的改善。院長跟部長,您對當前這個國民黨主導的財化法的修正,你們認為有它的急迫性跟必要性嗎? |
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是 跟委員報告首先就急迫性來講也就是說就如同這張表格所呈現的地方的財政已經大幅改善從原來的短處到去年已經有剩餘648億換言之地方的財政在中央大幅的挹注之下以及各自的努力已經有大幅的改善就換言之他的財政狀況是不錯的這是這一點 |
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二、目前來說沒有必要性,沒有急迫性,現狀是非常好的,趨勢也不錯趨勢也不錯 |
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所以中央財源會更加窘迫過去任何的計畫性補助 |
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為什麼一個反對黨會製造國家的危機呢 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間 |
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委員長,投資台灣三大方案必須要有轉型的規劃。要怎麼轉型?我想,包括產業的轉型,還有過去是在台投資的外商是不是可以是目前只有在台投資?那未來對全球的外商是不是也可以來台灣投資?有相關的政策的補貼,像美國、日本 |
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報告委員我們這個投資台灣辦公室有在進行對全球的企業我們都有在招商 |
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那半導體的部分全球外商都有我們現在就是針對這個半導體AI五大信貸產業都對他們發出這個 |
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麻煩請交通部長備選 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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前瞻只到2.0沒有繼續推出3.0或是類前瞻計畫相關的後續的軌道建設都會受到嚴重影響以這個高雄市高雄市捷運紅線為什麼做得成就是因為有前瞻建設的軌道建設經費那我們現在捷運紫線也送到教研部可行性研究我想部長跟院長都支持但它經費高達將近2000億 |
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沒有前瞻之後 |
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這個交通建設他可能就必須要回歸到公務預算那每個地方政府在提出計畫之後他之前他必須提出完整的財務規劃那對地方政府來看都是一個很沉重的壓力每一個地方政府都沉重的壓力有壓力當然會有動力但是你動力端看他的財源是不足以成為足夠的動力一定需要類似前瞻3.0的計畫來致應所以我希望是不是從財源來思考 |
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謝謝邱志偉委員的質詢。謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長的備詢。 |
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報告委員會現在一場二樓旁聽在增加臺北市百齡高中國中部的老師跟同學歡迎大家歡迎再接下來請登記第26號徐欣盈委員質詢 |
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徐委員好 |
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主委院長好本席今天有五個面向想要來向您提出質詢首先第一個就是我們今天審查的是114年度的總預算以及前瞻基礎建設的特別預算那我們發現我們的所謂的前瞻基礎建設一點都不前瞻為什麼這樣講呢因為這個不前瞻 |
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就是首先先談基礎建設很多基礎建設院長覺得只有蓋個管設蓋個道路才是基礎建設嗎我沒有要請您回答我請您思考那有很多在所謂的前瞻其實我們在 |
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前瞻這個預算書裡面看到很多科技相關的我們不一定是硬體其實有很多的軟體我們的軟實力真的要打基礎我們應該要朝這個方向所以我們看到預算書裡面特別有關我們這個產業的部分大概把焦點放在半導體的製造技術 |
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可是跟現在整個國際上的產業趨勢有所落差所以國際對我們台灣科技產業界對台灣的印象就是硬體很強可是軟體不行所以我們既然是前瞻基礎建設我們就應該要利用我們台灣硬體製造的產業優勢把我們的弱項就是這個軟體的產業能夠拉上來 |
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本席強烈的建議目前熱門的像人工智慧機器的訓練模型還有各種AI應用的開發以及國外現在積極在佈局的量子計算領域等等這些領域其實不是這一兩年才出現的 |
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那我們的前瞻基礎建設當然本席也可以理解包括我過去也來不及參與您也是才剛上任前瞻基礎建設這個特別預算已經第5期了明年度的第5期了可是我們在過去前瞻基礎建設裡面都沒有看到這些的項目所以我們希望這種軟體軟實力的這種基礎我們可以趁早來做那院長您在位的一天您都可以來努力可以嗎不錯 |
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委員完全看到從2017年前瞻基礎建設開始以來到今天的轉變所以2017年第一期開始他真的就叫基礎建設所以他到現在第5期成效他沒有打基礎啊有些這些軌道這些水工程水工程、軌道這些都是基礎建設那接著這個特別預算不特別啊這些特別預算其實過去也引起很多的質疑 |
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那這些特別預算是不是他其實都可以在常態的預算裡面編列就可以不需要特別嘛因為他變我們的特別預算都變成這個特別隨便還有這個常態化特別預算常態化現在就是大家最詬病的所以其實我們的特別預算 |
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可以直接就編列在年度的預算裡面除非有特別的我們才真的特別編出來兩點跟委員報告第一就是前瞻之後所以賴總統提出五大信賴產業他其中的半導體AI等等就是往軟體設計要開始去做更多的研發第二個部分我們今年除了 |
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最後的前瞻基礎建設跟國防部的預算特別預算之後我們沒有新編任何的特別預算就是要回到正常預算的本身用公預算跟大約來進行對年度預算的審核我們希望能夠尊重整個的培政紀律還有我們預算的體制接著第二點本席想要就我們國營事業 |
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一笑不張特別提出來我們明年度的政府財政收入非常的漂亮114年預判我們的稅收總體增加了15.7%這個是因為現在我們國際局勢的情況變好以及全民的努力累積出來的結果 |
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這個非常值得高興但是呢本席要特別提出來在整個的總預算裡面我們的國營企業收入還有財產收入這兩類呢都比前一年分別減少了10.8%還有5.9%所以院長這個數字就表示呢人民來當老闆會賺錢但是政府當老闆就虧錢 |
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這個問題我們特別看到這個國營事業去年台電就虧損了1992億最為嚴重而虧損的前五名裡面經濟部就佔了三個台電、中油還有台水所以我們大家也都覺得台電、中油、台水不能倒不能倒所以本席希望院長一定要 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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經營的活落起來所以我包括經濟部、郭部長還有我們的國發會的劉主委他們過去來自產業都有比較跟我們公務傳統院長本席是請問你們你們有沒有整個執政團隊有沒有想說我國營事業我就是要我不能都一直虧損我對不起民眾啊 |
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本席接著講錯誤的政策比貪污更可怕。那這個錯誤的政策過去在能源配比還有總諮詢本席提過了。 |
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我們用非常昂貴的再生能源我們買的比人家產生的還要便宜我們外購的再生能源價格比台電再生能源自發電的成本還要高當然我們都知道這已經簽約了簽約20年但是 |
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我們應該可以從其他方面還有未來不要再犯這種錯誤那最特別的就是我們有比較接近的能源也比較便宜的之前院長有說可以考慮那現在你們對未來有沒有考慮比較接近的能源而且是比較低廉的價格的 |
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國營企業另一個問題就是屢屢發生弊案。112年宣判的中油 |
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中油煉製事業部的採購弊案、113年破貨的台電的大林電廠採購弊案、近期的台鹽綠能公司弊案、還有台電的綠能弊案等等不生沒舉。所以民進黨執政讓民眾感覺就是跟貪腐劃上等號。但是 |
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在總統上任後可不可以還有卓院長你們到底有沒有想給人民一個耳目一新的感覺有沒有想要扭轉這一個印象台言綠能的問題我們非常的痛心我覺得當事人應該永遠面對社會來另外綠能犯罪的事情我們多次提出要求能夠做多方的合作來針對綠能犯罪我們談未來這些已經被查出來的我們未來 |
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我們卓院長帶領的行政院團隊有沒有覺得我絕對要給民眾耳目一新不要一直都發生這麼多第一個就是對綠能犯罪我們要全力的遏止有不法我們就救出來對整個團隊有沒有喊話大家的操守問題這方面我們開過很多次的會做過一些實際的計畫我希望從檢警調單位能夠一一的下去執行還有 |
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第三點本席要特別提到我們的教育的經費請院長看一下台灣在1990年代我們每年的教育經費佔GDP的比率都超過6% |
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在1990年代,結果我們再比較一下馬政府跟蔡政府馬政府時代那8年,教育經費佔GDP比也有5點多到6 |
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但是到了蔡政府整個教育經費佔GDP的比就剩4點多那我們又特別的也看到我們明年度明年度我們稍微預測GDP當然我們只能預測2023年就今年我們教育經費只佔了整個GDP的比率是4.26%那我們預測明年後年 |
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如果沒有特別提高大概就是也是4點多本席想說的是我們台灣已經少子化上次在這邊質詢的時候我們的出生人口數從30幾萬掉到10幾萬現在只有13萬 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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國家未來的主人翁啊所以我們的教育經費院長本席希望我們可以增加再增加佔整個GDP再增加1%可不可以 |
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我們必須非常重視教育但是過去幾年來我們的GDP它是大幅的成長所以比例上減少了百分之零點多但是就數字上、金額上是增加很多的比如我們113年我們的教育金會編的有7700億那114年我們會到達8300億我們特別看了如果整個成長世界各國都一起成長所以我們還有一張表就是 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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而且教育經費常常這邊也喊不夠那邊也喊不夠所以是不是可以就整體來說為了我們的孩子窮不能窮教育苦不能苦孩子更何況我們現在不窮我們稅收首次突破3兆1500億所以我們的教育經費本席還是要替我們的教育為我們的孩子來請命請問院長我們可不可以增加1% |
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新加的幅度會有多少,我想應該要衡量未來整個需要。那現在我們不僅在對0到6歲,乃至於高職、大學,我們都有更多的新的機制之外,我們也對整個學校、老舊教室,甚至廁所的改建,我們都編了幾百億的預算。這些我們知道,都在那個4點多趴裡面,但是還是很不足,所以我們希望能夠再增加一趴。 |
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再來本席想要就這個移轉性的支付,院長你應該了解 |
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整個移轉性的支付它的目的是在均衡我們社會的公平和正義所以移轉性的支付越高越多就表示我們社會的問題越嚴重那我們看到我們這個預算裡面我們移轉性的支付逐年上漲院長您知道這個情況嗎 |
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移轉性的支付我們逐年上漲從105年的5000多億到現在7000多億明年的預算是7600多億那再來其中最主要最大比例的就是社福支出那社福支出他就表示 |
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你社福支出持續上升表示我們政府要花更多的預算來維護社會的公平正義那這也表示我們社會的有一些問題依然嚴重例如貧富的差距例如很多的這個弱勢團體那所以還有高齡化這個老齡化高齡化的來臨 |
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所以這些問題我們需要的是解決方案所以不能夠只有給魚不給釣竿我不知道我們的行政院團隊我們的政府有沒有注意到這個問題然後如何來解決 |
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院長本席的時間有限 |
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本席在這裡提供一個想法 |
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接下來我們請登記第27號郭國文委員諮詢 |
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委員長好 麻煩請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢卓院長好 卓院長您上任以來我相信將來還是會面臨整個行政院主改的問題包括體育部的這個升格問題 |
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我覺得除了體育部的升格問題之外我認為財經部門其實也要面臨升格的問題過往大概20年之間財經部門並沒有精心加入主改的行列我舉金管會為例子好了在2004年到今年為止20年間它金融業的發展速度非常之快總共在整個管理金額上已經高達100 |
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二十六兆可是這個部會當中的預算經常性的預算也不過是十六億之多而這十六億之多的部分是調心而來的第一個 它的金融業的快速發展第二個 我跟部長說明一下深格的第二個理由呢因為很多詐騙、金流還有這個類金融 |
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所有幾乎都要靠金管會如果交給其他部會都做的2266包括第三方支付第三方支付的這種業務型態其實跟電子支付是一樣的只是差別金額不同而已一個是20以上 一個是20以下可是交給這一個數位部就執行了實在是非常令人失望常常會有400多億的洗錢案件的事情發生到現在為止還是無法管理第二個類似像金融管理公司 |
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金融管理公司現在誰在管?經濟部在管我問過幾次次長一問三不知所以說任由這些金融類金融機構這些融資公司就變成詐騙、金流還有包括洗錢還有包括高利貸這些都是社會問題的來源這社會問題的來源我們要去面對第二個除了這個問題之外第三個你去看看金管會的業務 |
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實在越來越多除了其實金融科技之外還有包括這個P2P的部分先買後付虛擬資產這個部分還有包括存網的部分一堆 |
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還有包括最近行政院所通過的亞洲資產管理中心也好金融科技發展路徑也好經發會所對外的業務當中多數都是跟經管會有所相關所以我想說在院長你回答之前我先問一下經管會主委的看法怎麼樣 |
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有沒有需要申請?有沒有需要申請?有沒有需要申請? |
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謝謝委員 |
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主委應該記得昨天晚上我們還在討論他的夜館範圍增加了,他的人力不足,未來怎麼解決,昨天晚上520之前我們徵詢主委來,他有一句話我到現在牢牢記住他說金融監督管理委員會 |
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監理不能鬆發展不能放這兩條路線必須要做得好我們才會有有效的管理我們才會有實質的發展未來我們朝向這個方向發展要有錢有人啊這個主管的業務一旦擴增那應該有充足的能力跟人力去做這個事情擴編不是為了擴編的擴編擴編是要解決社會問題的擴編也因此我請院長啊 |
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來做一個行政院層級的一個規劃報告來評估金管會升格為金融部的可能性院長這個建議我們會很慎重的來考量慎重考量再給本席一個答覆好不好另外一個跟金融相關的那個跟外交部也有相關外交部長您加入您部長麻煩 |
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報告委員 |
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我們據理力爭因為我們是有雙方的協議當然我們也要做各種因應確保我們的住管人員的安全跟領悟的順利進行目前各種聲援的聲音也都出來包括南非執政聯盟裡面的政黨還有各界包括美國等等 |
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部長辛苦除了聲援外債的聲聞之外我們手頭上有的東西是什麼可以操作在我們什麼東西本席跟你直接建議第一個金融商業金融商業的投資南非幣計價基金投資型的保單還有存款我們跟南非幣相關估計起來就有4216億啊這就金融外交啊 |
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你的整個綜合外交當中有商業外交有體育外交就是獨缺金融外交就是很可惜這時候我們的金融實力就是可以成為一個反制的工具不是嗎我們可能是除了南非國家以外擁有南非比最多的台灣是最多的國家 |
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不處理那你放在那邊還要靠別人那不是很可惜這一點我提醒一下部長第二個部長我再就教於您的部分你知道我們在參加這個CPTPP當中的12個國家當中有一個國家對外公開大大大的講說他支持中國加入CPTPP這個國家就叫智利可是我稍微估計一下五大受險公司啊單純就智利的國債跟公司債啊我們在那邊就 |
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主委、部長,你們看法怎麼樣? |
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主委掌管金融業 |
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我跟委員也說明一下確實因為像南非跟智利都陷入債務陷阱 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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可是在投入工件的部分呢我們看到有兆元的投入工件的部分這個兆元受險基金拿回來投入工件有什麼好處呢院長、主委剛剛好幾個同仁在講說我們如果前瞻計畫沒了那最重要的軌道運輸基礎建設沒有預算就回到工件預算工件預算要排啊遙遙無期啊 對不對 |
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而且我們也沒有辦法確定將來是不是還會有一個前瞻的預算也不太確定要靠什麼靠這些嘛所以這個開發模式要有所不同那院長我跟你說我感慨很深六都當中就唯獨台南沒有捷運六都當中5期的整個前瞻計畫跟台南的關聯性其實沒有什麼關聯 |
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我們不過拿到一億多的一個規劃費用而已真正的建設費用五期都沒有所以就六度當中臺南的捷運要如何後發先至之前我在交通委員會的時候就質詢過我們的那個部長陳士凱陳部長 |
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我覺得有兩個方式要處理第一個你要透過聯合開發的方式要怎麼快的速度那個主委在這邊我會給院長建議有幾個方式第一個弓箭的這個P要處理第二個弓箭的RIS要處理 |
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第三、政府勇氣加速時機到位要處理如果用這三種方式結合聯合開發模式才有可能把臺南捷運變後發能夠先知院長我期待您的回顧我們現在會把如何促進民生參與 |
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讓它成為一個未來幫助政府做重大開發建設的一個重要指標那這個也是在未來我們沒有特別預算的情況底下可以思考的一個方式沒有錯不要停在一般的預算的思考否則這樣排下去遙遙無期你知道嗎依照目前的時程規劃 |
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臺南最快最快也要到7年之後才會看到結運這是樂觀的預估更何況他第二期西北地區的部分我要請部長陳士凱部長應該優先規劃為什麼因為現在南科的效應已經外溢到北邊南科的效應外溢到北邊的情況底下你要再等到三年後那就像如同當年臺南市政府把深綠線的結運放在第二期同樣的思考 |
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可以我們跟地方政府跟台南市政府一起來溝通,看誰把後面這個拉到前面去 |
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一來前面有所規劃的路網能夠透過後發先至其他開發手段取代預算的方式來資金到位然後趕快能夠讓整個捷運能夠興建二來的部分呢計畫的部分能夠提早進行有沒有可能好謝謝部長部長您先等一下齁我還有一個問題要請教你最近台南市政府齁在台南車站的部分有提出一個4億元的這個經費 |
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台南車站我每次都看到台南車站非常的痛心啊古蹟破壞台鐵亂搞一堆合法的米蟲從2017年弄到現在本來2022年要弄好到現在還完全沒有辦法弄好那是政府之詞啊國家丟臉啊這個車站最近又弄出一個新的計畫出來要弄一個新的計畫 |
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可是這個計畫當中也引起很多地方不同的意見我現在這邊我想要跟陳部長說我也要跟郭部長、經濟部長提一下還有包括文化部的李部長也請上來一下在這個台南車站當中的前方有一個叫做 |
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沒有道理嘛! |
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| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
那個地方應該透過地方政府的協議把那個地方把它移除最近啊臺南建立一個所謂的臺南400臺南400目前我知道沒有留下什麼可是臺南300在日治時期他留下一個什麼留下一個臺南市歷史博物館在現在的民生利雲中西區公所的那個地方後來因為美軍空炸沒了 |
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地方的重大發展我想還是要跟地方政府 |
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因為300的時候到400,400中央文化部給了多少錢? |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
24470.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
24471.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
謝謝郭國文委員的質詢。謝謝主委院長及各部會首長的備詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
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接下來,我們請登記第28號,邱政軍委員質詢。謝謝院長。我們有請我們的卓院長。 |
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麻煩再請左院長備詢 |
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首先我在這邊先感謝院長在3個月25號特別撥控到苗栗視察那非常感謝我們院長對於苗栗的關心在這邊我有個問題想請教我們的院長根據2022年到訪苗栗南莊的人次大概是8萬9千多人 |
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那到今年2024年1月到10月已經超過32萬人次來過南莊可見南莊的人文景觀山水非常的吸引人那觀光持續在發展當中其中也帶動餐飲業跟我們的旅宿業 |
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現在南庄面臨一個問題就是污水的部分沒有辦法處理我記得當天院長到苗栗的時候我們現場有跟我們的院長陳情其實這個部分這個南庄污水下水道這個建制在110年其實在109年就已經同意了那110年1月已經送案審查到現在那一直 |
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請問院長還有內政部可以幫忙嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
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報告委員我的了解是原規劃污水處理廠的用地有一些爭議那現在已經重新的有修正計畫最近幾天好像還有送到內政部裡面來所以院長是同意協助了嗎 |
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國度署現在正在看這個事情,部長應該跟國度署這邊。我跟邱委員報告一下,那個苗栗縣政府已經在11月1號,也就是前兩天呢,重新提送,就是原來是污水量的計算有問題,因為我們是重新再做一個南莊的污水下水道。對啦,你們計算的方式是,呃,它的人口數嘛。對。那其實它遊客是非常多的啦。 |
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我希望把這點也考量進去我們已經送到國土署我們在國土署審查完以後我們會按照優先順序跟財務的可行性就來提供這方面的經費上面的需求謝謝部長 謝謝院長我再請教院長美國總統大選現在已經倒數計時我們上次台灣押寶好像押錯了這一次我們比較謹慎一點 |
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我請問一下,我們院長有沒有做好兩方面不管誰當選,我們台灣應該因應的措施? |
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| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
謝謝委員這個提醒我們一直都有在注意雖然我們認為臺美關係長期的發展應該是健康永續的發展但是兩黨或是兩位候選人在選舉之中所提出的不同的講法我們還是密切的注意我們相信未來在經過這個民選總統產生之後政權交接之後還是會進行 |
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政規管道當中,我們雙方之間既有的一些交涉,那我們會強化保障我們自己跟美國之間的權益。你個人有沒有比較希望誰當選?你希望誰當選?我們自己的選舉都不需要別人來對我們評斷,我們也不應該在這裡,但是我相信這是一個民主神職的選舉。其實不管是誰當選,我們不能期待美國永遠會挺台灣,就是無條件的挺台灣。 |
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24744.784 |
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24762.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
我記得川普有講過一句話我們台灣是晶片小偷針對這小偷說我們院長好像在我們議場這邊有講過就是說不同意我想請問院長我們有沒有向美方提出抗議或者是澄清 |
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那我們請部長您說明一下 |
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是跟委員報告不過有關於這個晶片我想台美是互補的合作的關係那個各種專家還有媒體都已經說明事實上我們台灣是製造方面但是事實上在設計還有整個晶片的產業是美國還是產值是最大的所以他們的專家還有媒體也都出來說明 |
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如果川普當選,我們台灣有沒有準備好要繳保護費? |
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最好的保護費有沒有準備要交我們本來就是自我防衛我們本來就是應該要提升我們自我防衛這個就是一個趨勢所以過去8年來的國盤預算也幾乎不太一樣未來也會持續這個不太一樣啦所以我講的保護費是無條件的就是請他來保護我們買武器歸買武器提升我們的武力裝備那是一件事 |
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那我覺得我們是有準備,如果川普當選,我們是已經準備好要要付美國的保護費嗎?保護費這是一種說法,但我想美國是基於台灣關係法六項保證,他是要依法來確保就是美台關係,那也確保這個台海的和平跟穩定。我覺得不管誰當總統,這個還是要 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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那當然這是分析師講的啦也還沒發生我希望政府應該現在就要你妥應應的對策然後選後呢好積極的向美國提出我們都有密切的注意而且妥善的因應的方案不過我也跟委員澄清一下沒有什麼上次選舉說押寶說我們其實在大家都知道啦那個是誤傳我也利用這個機會澄清一下我再請教院長 |
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那我今年預估稅率將超徵2000億那連續四年大幅的超徵另外稅出方面明年中央政府總預算比去年成長約兩成結果客家委員會的預算不增反減那今年已經比去年少了10%明年預算還是短少了0.7那還要因應物價通膨及公職人員的調薪實際減幅更大感覺我們政府對我們客家鄉親不是很重視 |
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政府對所有族群、所有人民在福利制度照顧上面以及整個...那為什麼會減少?你部長減少的原因是什麼?金額是增加的啊。金額沒有增加。這個金額是有一點增加吧。113年度啊。他調回去也比去年少啊。也比去年少啊。 |
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主席,主委說明一下。主委,您說說看。有,有,有。我企圖這樣合格詳情的說法,就要從嚴重的說。我第一,當然一味難,但是我企圖這樣合格,立法委員會的創傷,我一聽到行政院就爭氣。我希望說,這樣合格的VMV,就叫做做過這樣合格詳情。 |
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報告委員,明年我們預算有比今年度及11年嚴重,行政院有部分年度及11年,也要增加的部分。但是比那個前年還要小一點,我們在那邊的主委做得比較小,雙座主委比較大。 |
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不要,不要有大小言,之前的主委給的經費比較多一點,不要說我們古主委來了,我們本期的預算比較少,這樣去當派做事情嗎?好不好?有,有想法啦,跟委員報告有想法,114年度應該的前瞻預算有夠多啦,多經驗的預算就有夠大一些,所以明年 |
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院長,你持續關注這個問題,以後在編列預算的時候,能夠多照顧我們客家鄉親一點。主委剛剛說,之前是一個前瞻預算,那我們以後會想用均衡台灣的方式。我現在心中最想做的一件事,就台灣還有幾個縣是財政能力不好的,我們如何讓他能夠強化財政力,提高他的競爭力,這個才是政府該做的事。 |
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所以苗栗你要特別照顧阿好不好因為苗栗是非常缺錢的好謝謝我們主委那我在想齁在講齁總預算我們有三個爭議的議題啦齁我實話說我在報告裡找不到答案除了禁法補償齁您上週在答詢說有條件的狀況下可以增加預算或用第二預備金那健保點值主決議是要0.95嘛齁那你們說把總額提高了 |
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公糧收購調漲5元,農業部卻說要一級二轉3加3我看來看去,所以是拒絕編列的意思 |
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不是,我們在健保點值方面我們認為現在整個加起來增加了712億那我們努力的讓他健保點值合理化的方向去前進這個是始終不變的目標那麼農業部我也期待他在一級二轉三加三這個政策之外在明年度我期待農業部提出一個新措施新作為能夠更有效直接的讓農民感受到這個我會要求農業部 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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講話的餘地才能要求他們把更好的品質的這個公糧能夠繳到我們這個農糧我們有兩種方式一個是公糧它有特定的對象那它維持現在26塊另外我們也鼓勵其他的70%往民糧這個品牌的稻米品種去品牌去走讓它能夠優質化那這兩個要同時併在但是明年我是希望我們有一套新的作為啦更清楚的跟農民做對話實質幫助農民 |
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院長您的背後是賴清德總統我們立法院背後是人民你們沒有編列依法編列預算而且最近聽到的這個媒體地方也好還情緒勒索我們的這個地方的首長但你不要忘了這些提案的這些我們國民黨這些提案的這些案子民進黨都有份他不是說以前沒有提過所以 |
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民進黨可以打理民進黨但是我們不能背叛人民所以我希望我們這個院長應該很清楚我們法律案跟預算案的差別 |
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那行政院必須要通過依照通過的法律編列預算你也很清楚憲法第70條講的是你們提出的預算案立法院不能要求增加這是沒有錯但是這是我們立法院通過的一些法案我希望行政院能夠遵守好不好所以預算法第71條說 |
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立法院對的法律案在增加稅數的時候要徵詢行政院也要指出預算、彌補資金之來源那這個我們希望以後都踐行這樣的程序互相尊重憲法的權利我希望你講過的就是嚴守紀律、惡例不可循、不可開所以我希望你們也不要在我們這個部分來掀開惡例好不好 |
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我們互相尊重好的例子來建立起來就讓大家往這個方向這個原則跟法律的規定走那接下來我再請問一下日前我們的總統賴清德主持賴清德總統主持全社會防衛任性委員會的首場會議要擴充40萬可持名利那內政部也證實未來大規模震災時要將黑熊學院那邊 |
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這是有沒有這一回事?全社會防衛任性需要省個社會力的參與那為什麼是黑熊學院?有準備的團體未來都是可能合作的對象要給這個黑熊學院 |
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有公務預算用這個名義給他們嗎?報告委員,我想這個都是謠言。到目前為止我們的可視名利的這個不管是預算也好,或者是教育訓練的規模,都是由我們的警消、疫警疫消以及相關的替代役的這個訓練課程。所以黑熊學院有嗎?所以是謠言就對了,沒有這件事。現在沒有,以後會不會有? |
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因為有需要公務預算的民間團體太多了,到時候你會補不完。 |
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像我們的救難協會等等,他們每次平時在救災救難都是跑第一線的,他們也沒有公務預算,只有一些裝備。這些我們都非常感謝,我們希望他們用志工的精神來協助有關救災的工作。好,請部長回去。那我接下來請問一下我們央行的楊總裁,房價越打越高。要不要請中央銀行總裁備詢?銀行總裁到了嗎?沒有。 |
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中央銀行總裁有參加嗎?時間暫停。您是要問中央銀行總裁嗎?不然就問我好了,問院長好了。我請問院長,房價越打越高,帶動通膨,人民水深火熱。我請問,央行打草房號已經打了4年了,為什麼沒有效果? |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議 |
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打番無效 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
謝謝邱振興委員質詢。謝謝卓院長備詢。抱怨會現在在議場二樓旁聽來自新北林口高中老師及同學,熱烈歡迎。在接下來我們請登記29號武力華委員質詢。 |
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謝謝主席韓院長。有請卓院長。麻煩再請卓院長備詢。委員長好。現在是11月,稱之為年底。 |
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您終於可以來報告明年度的中央總預算謝謝也感謝我們立法院特別安排了備質詢讓我們可以在這個地方再一次的討論當然這一次備受爭議的禁法補償金的發放其實已經在這兩個月有非常多非常多的討論 |
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可是因為我們今天要特別的來關心到底明年能不能夠如實發放所以我想快速的就是代院長來回顧一下這個立法的過程這個《進法補償條例》在4月17號排進了內政委員會 |
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用一天的時間尋答逐條審查,審查完略。那我記得在我們的結論上還有後續的討論上大家不斷的提到是不是可以等520的新內閣團隊就職上任之後我們再來做協商可是 |
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我們超前部署。在5月2號的時候,委員會安排了協商。當時我們提案的委員們都有參加,但是各黨團並沒有判員。那一天的協商結論,召委也很辛苦,逐一的去各黨團找各黨邊要簽名。 |
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那在隔天的時候呢出現了一個很聳動的圖卡上面寫著說民進黨團拒簽協商結論那這張圖卡呢引起非常大的討論跟誤會那麼我們看一下那張圖卡的場景它其實就是在這裡就是一張照片講了什麼不得而知 |
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實際上,黨邊如果沒有簽名,照理說應該要請院長主持協商,但是在5月14日的時候直接在院會二讀。因為還沒有協商,所以原本也沒有排這個案進來,但是在5月31日增列提案作為院會討論。 |
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那麼6月4號看起來就要拼三讀了所以在那個時候就草草安排了一個協商然後下午就三讀通過了 |
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我作為一個提案委員三讀通過我非常的高興可是我們可以看到在這個過程中確實是有很多的瑕疵舉個例子來講在6月4號黨團協商那一天我特別調出 |
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科建民總召公報上的文字記錄,他寫著說:「30年來我在這個地方,所有的法案、預算協商的程序,一定是委員會審查完畢,然後委員會協商。 |
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委員會協商各黨黨編都簽名的話直接送院會如果沒有簽名就交給院長主持協商所以院長的最主要功能在這個地方能夠調和頂難能夠把朝野議事爭議全部的來處理過去30年來我們在這個地方從來就是這樣的一個遊戲規則和流程所以我很可以理解 |
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卓院長您我這些日子以來不斷不斷的聽到您就是一直講一句話立法院跟行政院就是要來互相的對話要坐下來要彼此尊重也要尊重我們行政院的行政權 |
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我看起來這樣的一個互相沒有尊重其實是頻頻的發生所以呢我在前幾天有看到我們立法院的老院長王金平他也出來說話了 |
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他整個話的內容其實就是告訴我們協商在立法院的重要性他的爭議就是要真誠對話找到共識因為我們很清楚知道真正的民主國家不是只有點人頭只有點人頭不是真民主還必須要有所謂的協商、溝通、共識 |
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所以院長我爬梳這一段歷程我只是要交代我真的可以理解你這些日子不斷不斷講的那些話就是彼此尊重大家要坐下來談我不曉得說有哪些人來找過您談委員是其中之一是那還有誰當然還有很多委員朝野黨團的委員都有是 |
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那我在這裡就是想要請教院長因為我很無奈啊為什麼我很無奈其實我是一個很溫和的人但是呢我有一個底線因為我認為作為人民選出來的民意代表就跟我們的行政機關父母官一樣其實人民是我們的主人 |
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所以當我看到族人惶惶不安互相的謾罵對立的時候其實我會很焦急很難過所以您應該知道我面對這些很難解釋的問題我有時候急了我到處跟大家去做保證承諾請安心如果明年真的不是一公頃六萬如實發放 |
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我要表達的是因為我非常的相信我們中華民國政府怎麼會發不出錢呢我們要相信我們的政府相信我們的法律那如果一旦真的沒有辦法兌現說實在的那我這個立委其實也可以不用當了 |
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我只是要表現表達我們要相信政府相信我們的法律所以對我來講這是一個假議題 |
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很多都是錯假的訊息那我想要請教一下我們常常聽到的一個錯假資訊行政院堅持不甩立法只願意撥4萬但是呢我們可以看到這是總統公告的啊原住民保留地淨法補償條例上面寫得很清楚中華民國114年期每年每公頃新台幣6萬元院長沒有錯吧 |
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總統公布的法律內容確實如此確實如此嘛齁那我想要來問一下齁因為還有很多關於預算編列不足這樣的錯假資訊那因為我們的預算法的主管機關是我們的主計總處解釋權在他們那邊所以我也請主計長 |
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主計長好我們有一個錯假之訊也是漫天飛預算不足啦明年會領不到啦那我有跟原民會來去索資這張圖表是原保地進法補償他的一個各年度的預決算一覽表那請教一下主計長我看到的是公務預算重發基金的搭配編列 |
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那有一些年度呢其實最後的決算其實重發基金的編列其實也花不完但是呢像112、111就算是最後他的決算重發基金的編列不足超支也照樣都領得到那請教一下主計長齁我這樣的解釋正確嗎 |
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是,原則上在112年之前公務預算和基金預算是各辦負擔那在113年度是全部由國庫來撥補是,那即便是超支也會發得出來對不對?原則上我們會按政策來撥補基金那如果說明年一定發得出來對嗎?這個我們配合政策來協助是,那我再請教一下 |
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那現在有說原住民綜合發展基金要破產喔主計長還有聽到說無法收回基金不可以拿來發說這個是違法的 |
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所以我調了一下公文這個是105年主計總署發給原民會的公文上面載明你們建議原民會在發放的時候用公務預算跟基金各辦編列那當然你們也不會亂講話所以你們也有提到說這是依據原住民綜合發展基金的管用辦法 |
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那這個東西載入可以做土地補償是在民國96年寫進來的以前沒有96年寫進來但是是105年開始發放還沒有發進法補償的時候基金就已經把用途載民可以做土地補償金發放好那這個呢我想 |
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在民國96年當時的原民會的副主委呢是非常資深的立委我們的鄭天才委員也是非常資深的公務員我覺得這些我們都不容置疑那我們來看一下因為他只是辦法那我們來看一下 |
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這些所謂的不可收回的項目我隨便念幾個像是原住民族地區溫泉資源開發經營利用規劃輔導及獎勵的支出促進原住民族部落文化發展的支出原住民族就業基金的支出等等等大概裡面屬於支出類的有4567891011好幾項 |
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所以這些都是不可收回的項目所以不可以用基金去發嗎?主計長因為很多人都不懂一般基金是這個是作業基金他是有付出說可以收回但是他並沒有他是就整體來講並沒有針對個別的項目那我們一般進化補償的部分他是整體撥到基金去執行然後由國庫來撥補 |
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所以他整個一個是在基金裡運作是從很久以前就一直執行到現在所以基金是可以來去發放這些當然有人去質疑那只是辦法所以呢他的法源是在哪裡呢?原基法的21條裡面有寫就是 |
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提撥一定比例納入原住民族綜合發展基金作為回饋或補償經費。所以我說到這邊,主計長有沒有違法的問題?目前我們都是依照相關的法令來做啦。有沒有違法嗎?有或沒有嗎? |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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反經復出仍可收回而非與營業者為作業基金所以這個部分不斷不斷的拿來討論但是我們剛才整個聽完了我想主計長你應該解釋的很清楚了也確認了這句話的一個概念我們來看一下因為反經復出仍可收回是在出 |
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四、本基金的來源由政府循預算程序之撥款。 |
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是,所以他的法源也是在原基法的第21條,受限制所生之損失,應由該主管機關寬列預算補償之。所以他是會一直撥補,而且所有的預算,公務預算,他就是必須被撥補到基金,由基金來發放,對嗎? |
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沒錯吧!對嘛!就算是公務預算也是編到基金裡面,對嘛!對!所以重發基金有破產的問題嗎? |
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原則上如果有組不組的部分我們會來做協助那最後我想要請教一下院長因為大家都會說行政院雙標4萬就不違憲了6萬就違憲了執政黨提案就不違憲了在野黨就違憲不好意思我就是有提案所以我想這個也是錯假資訊那我覺得院長您自始至終其實態度都很一致不論是報宅 |
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或者是你今天的這個總預算報告書裡面都寫得很清楚就是憲法第70條我認為你在意的就是要恪守憲法的架構權力分立的原則行政權、立法權彼此的來尊重所以我是特別要想說因為你已經有在報章有揭露就是徵詢行政院意見指明彌補資金來源然後呢你有說停止提案修正其他的方法 |
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我這樣子講有沒有違背你的意思?謝謝委員的了解真的是如果能夠在憲法精神下在預算法跟財政紀律法的規定底下兩院建立一個互信的共識互相尊重 |
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我相信這都是因為院長不尊重原住民族這些千百年來在土地、山林所受到的權益的窩困這個我們都很緊控所以在這個部分我就是要讓族人再一次的了解好謝謝謝謝吳立華委員的質詢謝謝左院長、各部會首長的備詢 |
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接下來我們下面請登記第30號謝依鳳委員質詢。謝謝韓院長。我想要請卓院長。麻煩再請卓院長備詢。都議定好。 |
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謝偉雲好我有很多很多醫生的部分要跟你說的 |
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因為像法官有很多問題0到6歲國家養0到2歲小朋友有10個鄉鎮現在都沒有托嬰中心我們需要2點多億然後今年因為憲法法庭的判決導致了代理教師他們值錢的年資需要增加所有的經費大概是什麼 |
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光彰化線就需要八千萬到一億還有非常多過去在前瞻裡面我們要改善交通停車的這個部分那未來會不會繼續編河美就需要因為它是人口密集人口成長的區域那未來可能需要相關的交通建設 |
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美國很高興在選總統 |
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他們在選總統是不是?前幾天外交部的吳次長他說吳志忠、吳次長一共他very worried請問他在擔憂的是什麼?他這個worry這個字我如果回看他的原文的話他應該是有被這件這個字有被放大了他說我們會 |
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在選舉過程當中聽到的一些政策,當然是...那反了什麼?他反了什麼?他反了...反了...但是他說未來的事情應該是變化沒辦法...反了美國現在總統未來明天出來,反了是川普總統當選還是賀錦麗總統當選,他會反了什麼? |
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這是我們準備,心裡有準備啦心裡我看她的專門講什麼還是要反而說我們的行政院都沒有準備我今天不是要說押寶誰喔而是我們的政府對於未來美國總統是誰當選我們有沒有做好所有相關的規劃 |
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任何的企業現在都要做好準備。我們當然是一個有準備的國家跟政府。我問你,我們的行政院做好什麼準備? |
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這是假設性的問題啦我們現在不能隨便在這裡說一定是誰我當然是說scenario 1嘛我是說scenario 1嘛美國民主選舉之後假設情境一嘛現在算出來是川普總統這樣的話我們的國家做好準備沒有 |
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我問你我問你我問你明年如果是1以後我們的國防預算要增加成我們GDP的10倍 |
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的10%目前我們的國防預算是多少?左院長目前我們的國防預算是多少?我知道啊!不管算出來是什麼都要給它供費!不過我要問你的、請教你的是我們的國防預算現在是多少錢? |
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我們在明年度編的國防預算只要包括所有的這個特別預算加上對是6470億是不是?是在我們現在目前整體的GPT是多少?應該是2.34之間吧 |
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對啦,你這個還回答得很正確啊。我給你丟地了。這個很重要的事情。對。阿,不過,我要請教你的是,如果按照川普他的要求,候選人,總統候選人他現在的要求,未來,他如果當選的話,他希望台灣可以增加國防預算到我們GDP的10%。現在GDP,明年預估是多少? |
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26兆4千億那10%是多少?2.6兆那我會請教你我們只會在這個地方從事我們自己應該有的採購作業我要問你的是今年我們國家的政府總預算是多少錢?稅入多少? |
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三兆一千五百 |
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跟委員保證不會有那樣的一夕之間的變化而且我們的自己要衡量我們自己的需求這是一個主權國家最起碼有的為國家的態度 |
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你保證我們的國防預算絕對不會增加委員我想我們都是會依照我們的作戰時需來進行我們必要的國防預算的編列那國防 |
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會不會讓國防預算排擠到我們的長照預算、我們的社福預算、我們的教育預算、所有的法定支出呢?會不會? |
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我們過去幾年不會,未來也絕對不會。在國家經濟會發展的...過去沒有可是明天如果在國際上發生了重大的變數的時候,會不會? |
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怎麼保證?要怎麼做到?第一個是假設誰當選的問題第二個是當選之後美國的...你要怎麼樣子保證我們政府的不管是社福、長照還有我們的醫療預算以及教育預算不會被國防預算排擠?你要怎麼保證?你要怎麼保證?明年的預算已經在這裡了只要大院通過我們就照這個通過的預算執行 |
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我想要知道的是,你要如何維持?明年?後年呢?後年我們在上半年邊概算的時候,我們就會衡量後年的需求。但是不可能有一個非常巨幅的改變,改變到整個我們所有預算依照正式別的比例分配。但是我認為我們要調整的是其他支出的一些調整,可以調整,但是不會像委員所顧慮、擔憂的那個現象。 |
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我不是在顧慮也不是在擔憂但是明天如果是這樣子的情境發生的時候我們的行政院到底做好了像什麼樣子的準備那還有他在競選的時候說他認為我們的台積電是偷他們的美國的晶片生意 |
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那有人在說,會不會在他當選之後,要求台積電要從台灣下市,從美國,在美國上市,會不會發生這樣子的問題?會不會?我不知道,我要問你啊,因為這都是,這都是不可知的變數。 |
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他能回答嗎?還是有其他人?有關委員關心,因為美國是民主的國家,選舉或政黨輪替,這都是常態。我們也都做好準備,各種選舉的結果,我們都有相應的做法。基本上我們對台美關係是有信心。至於台積電,我想基本上它是外資占多數的公司。 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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所以對於台積電對於台灣最重要保護我們區域安全的這樣的一間公司不會受到相關的影響是不是 |
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基本上這個供應鏈來講還有整個上中下游的分工那當然在製程上面我們是有它的優勢可是整個半導體的供應鏈還有上游還有中游還有下游所以還是以美國占最大的一個比例 |
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所以這個是一個互補的關係那晶片法案它也是一個立法通過的我想這個都會在這個法律的基礎下來持續的執行所以在這一點上面倒是不用太擔心另外就是其實在美國方面的不管媒體還有這個半導體的專家也都持續的有發言 |
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我最後還是要請問院長其實我們知道即便是今天 |
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我們的總預算沒有通過過去我看到了在95、96年的時候即便那時候是陳水扁擔任總統的時候在96年的年中才通過了政府的預算但是因為根據我們預算法只要是 |
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法定支出的只要是經常性支出是沒有問題的為什麼最近很大的爭議都是在在野黨黨預算所以讓我們的政府部門沒有經費我認為這是我們行政院需要澄清的部分 |
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報告委員我們國家正處於一個高度的創新研發的時代各項的產業要新興向榮新的產業一直在增加外國的廠商也一直會進來所以對很多的新興項目對很多的新增的項目你終於講真話了吧對於新增的新興的項目才有影響對於接續性的沒有影響是不是但是新增跟新興項目如果沒有辦法從1月份開始執行的話 |
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即便是公務員的加薪從明年開始,我們未來在預算通過後,我們也可以再來支付,是不是? |
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我早上講過了對軍公教人員或許我們還可以對他們訴諸以理但是對很多人民急迫的需求健康福利的照顧一日都不能耽誤很多國際的合作合作之下我們這個共同的信任關係也不能夠破壞所以我還是誠懇的希望 |
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問題是我們在這個中間溝通的過程當中 |
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這就是大問題啊這就是大問題啊 |
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如果預算沒有通過,你就沒有辦法補助。問題是,你們還是可以動用你們的預備金啊,是不是?在害預備金啊。 |
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我是說你們還是可以這個是根據預算法你是可以動用的啊是不是委員你說我們沒有提出我們的方法我們的方法一直寫在這裡可是委員一直強調的是你的問題後來不去看我的方法那我如果方法提出來大家來看我是說我現在是說你就是一直在用這樣那如果你一直在 |
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誣衊在野黨的時候沒有一個良性的溝通未來大家沒有辦法再繼續討論下去啊我們在立法院的政治協商也沒有辦法繼續進行啊是不是沒有誣衊在野黨甚至我們在這裡是很誠懇的希望大家能夠在互相尊重情況底下就憲法跟法律的精神跟規定建立一個可以完全互動的模式這是唯一的原則如果建立起來今年我們來解決 |
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沒錯!沒錯! |
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對,可是我認為執政黨應該要讓我們所有人 |
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謝謝謝一芬委員質詢。謝謝主委院長、相關部會首長的備詢。 |
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主席好,有請卓議員長麻煩再請卓議員長備詢 |
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郭委員好委員長辛苦了那我不會問你眼中有沒有只有我好我想這個會期是預算會期但是很遺憾我們一直到現在是沒有預算可以審整包全部打包一起在程序委員會就不知道被退了幾次了那離114年中央總預算的這個年度我們只剩下最後是兩個月不到的一個時間了 |
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現政的設計原意就是如此 |
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那另外再根據這個預算法第91條那立法委員所提的法律案大幅增加稅出或者是稅入的時候應該要先徵詢行政院的意見然後去明指明這個彌補資金的一個來源必要的時候其實也應該要同時有提案修正其他的法律對嗎是的 |
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我想這個都是我們應該要遵守的一個最重要的法源的依據那當然這個10月初的時候其實我也特別前往我自己的任陽的責任區包含在桃園那不管是鐵路地下化也好或者是在這個國道3號連接大溪路段的那個開通的儀式也好 |
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那我自己深刻的感覺到就是在地方的活動尤其是在地方政府的部分那也有很多除了我以外當然還有我們的這個國民黨的立委同事們他們也都會在場那很有趣的一個現象是他們都會說我們需要中央跟地方合力來 |
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做這樣子的一個交通的建設那中央應該要好好的來補助一下我們的地方但問題是像類似這樣子的一個攸關交通預算光是桃園的部分高達有70億那我們總預算一直沒有辦法順利的覆為來做審查那這個部分是不是一定就會去延盪到地方政府在交通上的重要建設 |
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就如委員的觀察我想從中央到地方的民意代表也都很期待中央地方各項的合作也因為這樣的觀察我們也看到這樣的需要所以我始終保持著很高度的樂觀跟信心我認為終究還是會走到一個大家最期待的那個地步那就是 |
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兩院合作,兩院互相尊重,中央地方互相合作。 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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災害其實目前都還在計算當中還在計算這個災損的部分那我一直不斷的在強調其實這個災損它的建設尤其是修復的一個整個所有的過程它會是跨年度的那如果114年的總預算我們一直沒有辦法負為審查請問災損的預算能編列嗎? |
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今年度當然我們的災害準備金是全部都用完了就比如農業部來看災害準備金用的已經超越超過非常非常多了那我們還有其他的方式來找尋這個財源那目前我們也找到適當的方式但未來就看災害來了多少我那天到蘭嶼我特別才知道我們兩年前小選颱風來的時候編了10億讓蘭嶼所有的電纜地下化 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議 |
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昨天其實這個財劃法我們在財政委員會雖然我是教文委員會的外委的這個部分但是我是從早上這個8點半其實就已經在這邊stand by從早上9點一直到晚上的半夜12點那我的這個中指也受傷了整個歐腸很大一顆 |
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那我想這個才化法的部分其實不是不修而是25年當中其實我們都沒有達到一定的共識那這個共識呢包含我們的22個縣市的地方他們的聲音在很多的指標當中其實沒有達到共識你去急著修這個所謂的才化法要向中央挖錢那我想這個相對來講對我們來講是將來也是一個很大的一個挑戰 |
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這個戰場其實包含昨天坐在財政委員會那個會議室當中也是從早做到晚很辛苦我們的部會首長那在這個部分其實我們再次的向藍白喊話啦好嗎我們希望趕快把總預算覆為審查 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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不分所有的類別全部被打包式的退回卡關到目前沒有預算可審他其實還包含社福包含教文包含經濟發展甚至包含國防的預算也將近有4760億 |
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那我覺得這個國家的安全其實是非常非常的重要啦那接下來呢我想呢在這個在野黨不斷的在阻擋總預算的一個情況之下國防部的軍事投資跟作業的維持計畫也有可能遭受到嚴重的影響我剛剛講了4700多億的這樣子的預算那是不是有可能會開了國家安全的大門 |
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為了2026也好或者2027也好大家傳言當中的中共要干擾台灣犯台來為他們開這個大門會不會相對有嚴重的影響 |
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我們現在就來看一下包含軍事的投資1458億這個新增的一個案件喔新增的包含這個潛艦的國造後續的整個所有的進程以及新型的步槍等等其實這個都是非常重要的國防的我們 |
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主席 |
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總統也已經講過了我們展現自我防衛的能力跟決心在這個重要關鍵的時刻特別是國際社會會看著你就是說你到底有沒有自我防衛的能力跟決心 |
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我們穩健的增加國防預算運用在這個相關領域不對稱戰力、後備戰力提升、作戰韌性我們現在每天要應對這個中國每天的軍事恫嚇跟灰色地帶的騎擾我們這些相關的這些作業維持會也好 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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還有FMF就無償的這個軍援像這樣子都是因為基於這個臺灣關係網跟六項保證來支持我們那如果我們自己沒有辦法通過這個國防預算來展現自我防衛的能力跟決心的話那他就會開始質疑你說 |
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所以其實我們真的不禁要想到這個削弱整個所有我們的總預算的審查的一個進度其實相對來講也削弱我們的國防防禦的一個能力那這個到底他們幕後的背後的動機到底是什麼其實我們真的嚴重的懷疑好為什麼我會特別提到這個部分呢因為其實我們都知道現在國防光是要流財其實也相當的不容易 |
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那流財不易的一個狀況之下是不是有可能會是因為他們薪資誘因比較低那我們大家都知道其實這個加薪的部分是屬於所謂的新興計畫之一那國防部目前我們可以看到這個士兵的人數普遍低於所謂的需求 |
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那最主要的原因是不是可能直接就跟薪資待遇是有關的那104人力銀行的數據呢顯示2024年的平均月薪已經達到了4.7萬那但是呢其實我們的國軍中士以下的一個階級薪資是普遍低於這樣的一個水準那我想呢這個部分是不是也可以請國防部這邊回應我們一下到底這個薪資偏低我們要怎麼樣來補救我們要怎麼樣來提供解方 |
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主席 |
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招募人才是要加強然後要留營率也要加強然後這個我們要讓這個志願役的官士兵的薪資待遇能夠跟這個社會的這個一般的薪資要能夠相比這也很重要所以我們是有在研議就是說有關志願役的勤務家級還有現在邊線比比較低的就是說主戰部隊的這個家級 |
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那是不是要來增加那當然這個要是這個財政的預渡讓我們研議完我還要跟 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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但回歸到一句話114年中央總預算沒有負為審查什麼東西講的都是空的啦吼 |
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好那接下來其實我要問的就是關於我們的教育的教育的部分了好也謝謝兩位好然後我想呢關於我們的教育的部分在教育現場的部分喔其實光是導師職務的一個佳節上次在總預算其實我沒有辦法把它問完喔那光是導師的職務的部分那班導師其實大家都知道他承擔了很多很多的責任那包含學生的情緒的管理或者是學生秩序上的管理 |
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他甚至在下課之後他還要面臨跟家長上面的一個溝通輔導以及家長的一個聯繫有些導師他除了他在教學以外他還要負擔很多所謂的行政的工作那我想這是第一線的這個導師我們能夠想像的他的工作壓力到底到底有多大那另外呢我要提的是國中小的老師導師從101年開始2000元調漲到3000元但是已經有12年沒有調囉 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．一、上午9時為國是論壇時間。．一、上午9時為國是論壇時間。．一、上午9時為國是論壇時間。．一、上午9時為國是論壇時間。．一、上午9時為國是論壇時間。．一、上午9時為國是論壇時間。．一、上午9時為國是論壇時間。．一、上午9時為國是論壇時間。．一、上午9時為國是論壇時間。．一、上午9時為國是論壇時間。．一、上午9時為國是論壇時間。．一、上午9時為國是論壇時間。． |
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教育部長首先謝謝委員曾經上一次繼續給我們這樣一個提醒那我想教育部應該要有一個在制度面上的全盤的考量跟檢討尤其是我們知道其實在學校的部分其實在教務的加級其實不要講說教務的加級其實軍公教已經調新這近8年調整了11%但是問題是我們也承諾114年也預告會再調整3% |
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謝謝委員關心確實我們在中小學裡邊我們老師這一個他所面臨的這些的一個教學的一個挑戰確實他要承擔的責任越來越大 |
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感謝委員的關心但是因為這個中小學導師我們確實現在是3000那但是因為我們有學校裡面中小學他的樣態跟大學比較不太一樣他的許多行政工作確實是由中小學老師來兼任那我們考慮到整體的這個老師在行政工作上的兼任到他的一個差距上怎麼樣整體來考量我想我們會 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間 |
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這一個人事總處我們研議一下然後包括這一個再跟院長做報告我只剩下十幾秒齁最後就是特教助理員的加級的部分啦特教助理員的部分尤其是他們的時薪在六都當中最重要的北部的這四都齁從新北、台北、桃園、台中他們的時薪是被減少的也就是說他們 |
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好,謝謝。 |
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謝謝郭一群委員的質詢。謝謝卓院長、部會首長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第32號高金素美委員質詢。 |
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謝謝韓院長現在有請原民會的主委還有主計長麻煩請原住民主委、主計總長備詢我今天就不邀請我們的卓院長上台了因為過去一個多月以來我的族人同胞在禁法補堂這個議題上面不斷地被污衊、被歧視為了不再發生這種反制的現象我這次就不邀請卓院長上台了 |
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來請問一下主計長5月8號主計總署有沒有依據預算法第31條頒布114年度中央政府總預算編制辦法然後你行文給所屬各機關看一下有還是沒有你桌上應該也有啦有沒有應該有吧都在這裡了齁 |
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編製辦法的第14條的第三項看一下各機關編列的概算不能夠超過行政院原本核定的額度但是有幾個例外的情況其中是不是就包含各機關必須要配合新增法律規定進法補償是不是新增了法律規定啊 |
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是還是不是是好謝謝曾主委請問一下5月8號主計總署發布這個編製辦法的時候是不是匡列了125億給園民會來編製預算是124 |
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29188.386 |
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在6月4日進法補償條例立法院三讀通過了以後原民會你們是不是在6月18日也依據主計總署編製的辦法你們增編了進法補償要多3萬塊的補償預算給我們主計處所以你們提報的是165.02億也就是114年度的預算看到了沒有 |
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8月19日,行政院合併給人民會114年度預算多少錢?123.83億元 |
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所以我們所有原民會的同仁依法依規編製了明年的預算是165.02億行政院大道一揮就只剩下123.83億公務人員依法行政依法編列預算成為我們行政院長口中的違法還有浪費公帑 |
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29266.553 |
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主委,你不覺得非常荒謬嗎?進法補償每公請3萬塊的時候, 原民會匡列的預算是125億。而進法補償通過了每公請要6萬塊的時候, 行政院合併給原民會的預算只有多少?123.83億。比修法之前還少啊,主委。 |
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你當了一輩子的公務人員我相信你的內心一定非常的沮喪但是你可以不必沮喪為什麼從上個禮拜五一直到今天所有很多民眾黨的委員也好國民黨的委員也好在這邊正在為你圓明會還有為我們的主任討公道所以我們要謝謝他們 |
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29311.188 |
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而我們的卓院長不斷跟大家講預算法91條財政紀律法其實呢全部都是假議題啦禁法補償、條例修法大家回憶一下從委員會的審查我就是召委 |
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29331.81 |
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然後到朝野協商再到今天的韓院長的協商每一次的會議行政院都有不同部會的人員參加不管是新政府還是舊政府期間都沒有人說修法有問題 |
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這不就是已經徵詢行政部門的意見嗎?哪裏沒有徵詢行政部門的意見呢?再說進法補償條例在105年立法的時候就是本席在立法院跟簡東明委員立的法當時有一個附帶決議 |
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決議寫得非常的清楚如果要調整禁法補償的額度我們所需要的預算可以從碳稅或者是碳費來支應而環境部不是從明年就開始要開增碳費了嗎?哪裡沒有預算呢?所以本席認為禁法補償條例 |
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一直在講為依法編列預算從頭到尾都只是卓院長自以為我們立法院沒有徵詢他一個人的意見而已導致現在我們必須要不斷的在這邊找理由在這邊跟他質詢所以 |
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我要講的是難怪昨天有一位他們政黨的立法委員在廣播裡面講說卓院長嘴硬是一致的也難怪如此 |
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另外,主委,我再請你看一下,我翻遍了原民會114年單位預算書,還有你的綜合發展基金的預算書。目前呢,這兩本預算書加起來,在進法補償金項目上就只有編列了28.16億。 |
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具體來講就是原民會在114年的公務預算裡面只有編列28.16億轉交給綜合發展基金去執行進法補償 |
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兩本預算書加起來就只有28.16億,也就是每公頃左院長口中講的4萬塊的經費額度,是不是這樣? |
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我們的預算是編4億,但是往年都是……4億?有沒有講錯?就是編4萬,一公頃4萬,還有2萬,本來行力就可以用這個基金那你基金編在哪裡?看一下預算書你的基金編在哪裡?你的基金裡面只有28.16億轉到你們基金裡面要動資轉給這個金髮補償啊,編在哪裡? |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
29504.434 |
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| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
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本來就只有4萬塊行政院長在這裡備詢還有在媒體面前講得很清楚他認為4萬塊是合理合憲的所以根本就沒有存在有一些立委尤其是原住民立委在外面一直講有啊4加2啊要不就是6加0的狀況啊 |
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主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
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29599.309 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
10月21號的協商你說你有很多的方式可以來解決預算編列不足的問題你說的工具有什麼總預算修正、綜合發展基金、第二預備金但是你講完了這些之後呢你又接著長篇大論講說綜合發展基金是你認為最可行的工具甚至說我們基金還有30億的剩餘款可以使用你知道嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
原民會主委打臉你啦剛剛他說只有17億啊來我們看一下為什麼說17億因為基金的資產項目中114年底可動資做進法補償的款項現金7億流動金融資產10億應收款項0.27億合計17億主委你倒是講對了主計長你 |
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才是搞不清楚狀況而主委你講你說你可以用17億好就算我們現在讓你用17億用在淨法補償加上公務預算28.16億你說這足以發給每個人每公頃6萬塊的補償對不對好你知道嗎這是要停止原民會各項貸款的業務耶然後你把17億全部放在淨法補償基金上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
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你難道不清楚知道我們其他的貸款業務就做不來了嗎?如果這樣繼續動資基金,115年就沒有預算可以辦理貸款了耶,你知不知道?各位報告,我們每一年的進化補償的發放的時間,最快也是9月底到10月。 |
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換句話講,這個經會是明年的9月、10月才會發放這個進化補償。然後呢?然後我們,就是說我們沒有經會,我們會請求來,這個請,這個主計…你知道委員會行了幾次公文跟主計處說,你們基金要破產了,主計處回你的文是什麼? |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
29698.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
29701.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
現在行政院究竟要使用你百寶箱裡面的哪一個工具?是總預算調整呢?還是要用第二預備金呢? |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
29722.867 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
29725.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
就你的認為請你大聲一點好嗎你還是沒有回答我的問題啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
29748.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
29776.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
我要講的是今天你們既然有心在這邊你們早就應該要白紙黑字提出來嘛不要讓大家在閣樓上講嘛然後等一下這邊質詢完畢以後我們的韓院長就可以進去跟其我們其他的在野黨的山長討論嘛你們現在一直在講說要用這些要用那些你們都沒有白紙黑字寫下來啊對不對好了請你可以回座曾主委剩下我們兩個在部落上你是我的長輩 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
29777.813 |
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29793.23 |
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我在這裡要告訴你的是,原住民族的轉型正義從來就不在民進黨政府的眼中。為什麼?因為當我們努力在立法、修法、進法補償的時候,我們的農業部用一個計畫就可以讓農民零九萬塊的休耕補助。 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
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我們的經濟部用一個計畫就可以讓一般人領6萬塊的直數保齡獎金。我們的農業部113年也預告了,獎勵照領辦法平均每年可以領多少?6萬塊。我們很辛苦的立法修法,平地休耕補助,只要用一個行政方案,它就可以發放了。 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
29817.057 |
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29837.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
而我們的禁法補償經過漫長的三讀立法通過即使總統已經公告實施了還要被我們的卓院長指責這是違法、浪費公堂然後不編預算我回想到2005年原禁法三讀通過的時候隔天馬上傳出行政院就要提復印 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
29838.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
29861.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
當時的原民會陳主委還有企劃處的林處長他們奉命跑到行政院去要簽署所謂的復議案當時你應該也在原民會因為當時適逢整個行政院總辭大家在拍畢業照一片混亂當中原民會沒有簽署復議案所以我們的原基法逃過一劫 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
29862.261 |
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29863.061 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
主要是因為我沒有請你回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
29889.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
29890.886 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
我沒有請你回答 請暫停時間 韓院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
29918.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
時間暫停,麻煩請行政官員沒有要求詢答之前,請不要回答我現在非常的尊重你喔,我說你是我長輩喔所以我現在告訴你,2015年時間暫停,高經緯時間暫停在重申根據立法院執行事法沒有要求你詢答之前,請暫時不要回答,好嗎?不好意思,我要跟村議員報告一下,高經緯請繼續 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
29921.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
29944.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
謝謝2015年進法補償立法也是這樣在野的柯建民主黨理由是什麼民進黨就要這個執政了怎麼可以通過進法補償後來是因為蔡總統要大選啦怕影響他勉強通過所以除了進法補償之外我們的政府還忘了很多早年對原鄉的長期壓迫啊光復之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
29945.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
29945.491 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
三十六年的三地管制讓園鄉 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
29961.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
29981.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
三、一窮二白、民生基礎是零、工作機會是零﹖而當時我們原住民的子弟只好離鄉背井去討生活因為我們的文化跟語言的差異只能去做重勞力的工作這些全部都是對原住民轉型正義而我們的民進黨對我們的轉型正義做什麼 |
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促進轉型正義條例,排除了日據時期。然後兩天前聯合國的生物多樣性公約第16次的大會才在哥倫比亞閉幕並且通過一項決議。大會主席蘇珊娜表示,透過這項決議,原住民、非洲人後裔和在地社區的傳統知識價值得到了肯認公約26年對原住民族的起暫停。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
請部會首長不要接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
30038.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
不要搶答 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
30063.679 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
30071.047 |
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謝謝,謝謝高金委員的質詢,也謝謝曾主委的答詢。接下來我們請登記第33號外會員委員請質詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
30093.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
主席、協議院長、卓院長、原住民委員原住民委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
30114.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
30134.945 |
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院長,是不是那個岩民會主委走得太慢了,還我三秒鐘。沒問題,好,那委員請。院長,我剛才其實我是要針對我的選區的AI,AI的一個機器人的一個未來的一個發展的展望。 |
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30135.973 |
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30161.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
然後跟你做探討那可是我實在是聽不下去了我覺得這個武黨級的高軍委員講這個進華補償實在是講得太離譜太離譜了所以在這裡我首先先請教院長就是進華補償從105年他開始發放就是用原民會的公務預算跟基金各辦的一個編列來支應是不是 |
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30175.8 |
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委員講得正確不過容許我借委員的30秒鐘我要向韓院長表示剛剛我們在這裡聽到了一場不對稱的質詢不對稱的質詢高級委員用很多 |
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| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
不適時的內容來攻擊行政院讓行政院的官員沒有辦法答詢我剛剛實在想起來表示我的抗議但是我基於意識的和諧我只現在向韓院長表示我內心的感受我希望這種不對稱的質詢也不要成為慣例 |
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那委員所說的沒有錯我們過去對於禁法補償我從來沒有說過行政院從來沒有表示過它是一個違憲的它是一部法律但法律修訂的過程要依照各種修法的相關程序來做只要依照程序做行政院絕對依法執行 |
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好 院長 原民會的轉型正義一直就是我們民進黨不管從小英總統到賴清德總統一直都是我們民進黨在執政的一個最重要的政策這是不是我們向來最重要的一個就是轉型正義的一個目標 |
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| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
從2000年民進黨陳水扁總統執政以後我們對原住民族的關心從歷史上歷歷可見所有的存在的事實到現在還持續在發展跟壯大之中以後我們也會這樣做是 謝謝那院長是不是進化補償 |
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是不是陳儒就是其他藍白的委員講到了我們完全都沒有編列這樣的一個公務預算也不能用基金來撥補是不是這樣子有道理今天不管4萬2萬還是3萬3萬我們到底有沒有編我們到底會不會給他們他現在都帶風向說我們不會給那個原住民這一些那個我們的市民有這些經費到底有沒有 |
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| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
修法之前進法補償編列3萬元修法的過程行政院曾經表示過如果能夠提升到4萬元我們願意來接受這樣的結果但是編了6萬元卻沒有指出 |
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| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
30312.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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30359.887 |
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講的就是說無理的通過再增加26億那就佔原民會總預算的42%了那個原民會主委是不是那如果就是增加了這個26億的話會排擠到其他原民會的預算這個才是真正傷害到全體 |
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| transcript.whisperx[761].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
麻煩請交通部長、國發會主委備詢 |
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30383.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[762].text |
跟院長探討我們整體來講就是說在總統的一個文告裡頭有特別提出來就是整體我們那個智慧科技大南方那個生態系的一個發展那在這裡我要跟院長做個探討就是在10月16號我有邀請到我們台南市政府那還有我們的國科會國科會還有國發會那共同的研議大型發展的一個 |
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30413.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
30413.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
國科會主席 |
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30444.617 |
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30458.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
是的,賴委員對,那所以那個我想諸位我們盤點了以後我們發現就是說這個是我們科技預算總數那我們智慧科技大南方產業生產區的確有變了 |
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30459.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
30487.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
對,就是那個我們的智慧科技那個南方產業的一個生態系裡頭我們有特別編了這樣的一筆一千多億的一個預算這是科技預算的總數對,科技預算的總數那所以就是說我們盤點了那天我們在會議上我們也去盤點了就是說如何把這一個科技S狼帶就是說你從就是我整個就是在嘉義縣然後一直延伸過來到 |
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新營到南柯到台南、高雄、到屏東對,到橋柯、到屏東就是缺了這一塊院長缺了我這一塊那我們其實就是六甲那個公園院、南院在我的選區裡頭其實那個地方有很多很多優秀的人才因為在早期我們的晶片其實也是從公園院研發出來的那有人才 |
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我有最好的一個交通,我的交通裡頭其實我掩蓋的就是說在國三我有三個交流道,那不管是我的六甲交流道、我的新營交流道、還有我的柳營交流道,我的交通是便利的。 |
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那我有五個水庫在那個地方所以各種生態各種條件其實我已經具備了最好的一個條件所以我要請院長全力的支持我尤其在我這麼好的一個人才公園院在我這個選區裡頭我希望它其實是足夠很好的條件可以達到就是一個AI機器人的研發產業中心在我那個地方然後附帶的我們知道就是說 |
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整體來講就是這個整個產區的發展、研發跟生產那我還有一個柳科第三期這個是很快不超過15分鐘這個生產的一個基地就在那個地方所以我很希望就是院長可以有一個時間到我這個地方來就是實際的一個考察你會覺得沒有任何一個地方比我這個地方條件更好 |
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報告委員我們在均衡台灣的整體規劃當中六大區域治理的計畫裡面大南方計畫這是一個完整的計畫那國發會已經在就內部的這個產業跟生活面做比較詳細的一個細部規劃那科技的部分國客會一直對我們沙崙為主的整個大S廊帶有相當完整的一個構想那明年開始我們就會初步的提出一些 |
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有經費有期程的一些工作時間工作內容那一步一步會把它納進來那將來在國發會的整個區域治理計畫當中剛剛委員所提的這個部分如果原來在計畫裡面我們當然會照計畫走如果是周遭為了帶動周遭的整個連體連帶的一個發展我們會請國發會再來審慎的地方看那我有機會我們也到現場再去看 |
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好,謝謝院長。我想我在這裡要特別感謝我們的國會主委,還有我們的國科會主委,他們其實為了這個議題,他們也下了很多的研究的功夫。事實上,我想他們,我希望他們再跟你做完整的一個專案的報告。 |
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謝謝謝謝院長那接著跟院長再來討論交通的問題我想這個 |
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因應國際的七四交通運輸研究所他透過了一個建議就是說透過發展公共運輸系統我們希望達到2050年的淨零排碳請問院長你認同這樣子的一個計畫嗎?2050年的淨零排碳是全世界的目標那我們逐步在往這個方向在前進我們也設定了2030、2032每年逐年應該達到的一個標準 |
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是,那我們從那個就是交通部的那個應援所裡頭他所做的一個那個特別的一個規劃裡頭我們看到了就是說三大策略裡頭其實他把最重要的一個發展公共運輸系統加強運輸需求的管理他把列為就是最重要的一個指標性的 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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一年那個民眾日常生活應聚的一個狀況的調查分析這很慘啊我們臺南是敬佩莫作在所有所有就是全臺灣倒數第七啊那個六都墊底為什麼那個所有統計出來就是我們的公共運輸的一個條件是最差的臺北市他還達到37.2新北市是28.7我們臺南是4.8 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間 |
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這個部長看到我就在笑了我就是要一直講一直講讓你看到我就哭起台37對,看到你就想要台37謝謝沒錯我想這個台37的延伸對我們新營對在未來就是我們產業發展就是說對南科也有很大的一個發展一個重要性還有新營車站太老舊了新營車站的一個老舊 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議 |
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那我們常常接到就是我們的辦公室常常會接到就是我們新營的通車組那我們的通勤組他其實就是往南往南他就是到台南去上班往北的話就是到嘉義那你知道就是說在這幾個幾個這個通勤的部分的時候我們發現就是我們的幾關號太老舊這個幾關號太老舊 |
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我想這個我自己也嘗試去做過那個冷氣好像真的是不能後來我問了交通部他們告訴我說我說你們平常冷氣是開了那個幾度他們跟我講說那個大概是26到27那你想一想一個老舊的一個車廂然後你的冷氣這個溫度又是這麼差然後是不是需要汰換了 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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所以在這裡我特別提出來就是說我的這個區間車還有我的這個舉光號還有我的志強號這些老舊的一個這個交通運具公共的一個運具是不是應該適當的把它探新 |
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是,報告委員在舉光號的部分確實已經蠻老舊了我們從111年就開始在汰換一些比較舊的部分那目前還有175輛的自動門的這個舉光號我們預計在116年之前我們逐步來汰換那盡量都換成這個EMU3000也就是新的自強號還有EMU900 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間 |
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財政部長我想再請教你一下,臺37縣的延伸,延伸到新營,這個可行性評估到底什麼時候可以做?這個我們目前跟嘉義縣政府還有臺南市政府我們兩邊...謝謝麥會員委員,謝謝那個3秒鐘還給你啦,來委員特別報告一下。謝謝主委院長、部會首長的備詢,謝謝。 |
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接下來請登記第34號,楊瓊英委員質詢。謝謝敬愛的院長。我們行政院卓院長所領軍的團隊、新聞界的朋友、各位同仁。楊瓊英發言首先來邀請卓院長。 |
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能源政策,小英總統執政8年的能源政策,你認為是成功還是失敗? |
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第一次能源轉型,我們到底真正促成了台灣再生能源的發展。那速度上當然沒有像本來預設的那麼快,但是我們覺得在2026年的時候,我們可以補足現在的目標。換句話說,你這麼回答就是說小英政府的這個能源政策,它是有待改進的空間。 |
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凡事起頭難,所以先前有一段時間進度比較慢的,我們有可有把握在2020...先前有一段時間進度比較慢,本期告訴你,民眾的感受,本期的感受是失敗的。是失敗的,為什麼?執政8年,火力8成。 |
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就這八個字我告訴你是失敗的所以我們看到雖然是失敗但是前任的部長王美花部長還有作為他說增氣就減煤所以他同時也在這個2021年的時候呢他也特別來提出了他特別提出什麼呢也就是說要達到雙贏的政策所以我告訴院長我們看看現在 |
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中國的燃氣機組的二期環評通過了?是。是通過了?是。臺中人的費怎麼辦呢?臺中人的健康怎麼辦呢?我用數據告訴你。數據告訴你。六部的燃氣機組,一部1300MW,再加上民間電廠,總加600MW。所以換句話說,如果以這樣加總起來是8400MW, |
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十部的藍莓基礎一部550MW裝置容量十部5500MW所以換句話說你如果六部的藍莓基礎燃氣全開那麼是8400要加上這個宗家的民營電廠的600所以換句話說是目前我們的藍莓基礎的總裝置量的1.5倍1.5倍所以我要請教本市要請教卓院長 |
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黃美化部長的GAS有所作為您為什麼不能做呢?您為什麼不能做呢?我們現在有在做啊您為什麼不能做?我們在2027年我們會剩下兩部燃氣加六部燃煤的基礎 |
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二、三、五年六部能進一組。 |
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你剛才說的第一次轉型困難我告訴你是失敗的因為再一次強調直升8年火力8成所以我再一次告訴你如果依照你目前的作為王美花部長可以做現在的卓議院長不做在這樣情況之下你的二次能源轉型我告訴你你會轉出一個最大的火力發電廠 |
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最大的火力發電廠所以因此我要告訴你我要告訴你爭氣、戰慮你卻不減煤王美鳳部長當時提出當時提出請卓院長你注意聽他當時提出規劃第一步的燃氣機組運轉成功之後隔年我們就可以做減煤拆掉一支煙囪把燃煤機組拆除 |
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這是王美花部長當時,所以我在上個禮拜在經濟委員會也特別問了郭部長以及曾董事長,他說會,他一定會落實這個承諾,對不對?你本席,你聽本席說 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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他不會同時進行這個工作你說這一個備用我告訴你我們繼續來討論臺電公司告訴我們說因應國安的考慮所以必須要保留六部的藍莓基礎對不對是是這麼說嗎是嗎是是嗎那我們國安部長的時代就沒有國安問題囉 |
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報告委員,我跟您解釋,可以嗎?能源政策就在這裡。 |
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一、依照電力設施以及空氣汙染 |
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部的一個排放標準我們的第2條第11款裡頭規定緊急備用的電力設施也就是單一機組你一年可以有720小時換句話說你的6部藍莓機組的備用你每一年都能夠有一個月足足一個月的一個容量去運作所以在這樣的情況之下 |
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你每一部藍莓機組每一年都可以開足足一個月這是法定規定目前法定規定對不對上限所以有需要的時候才會法定規定所以本席要請教委員就像你每一年一部機可以一個月有需要的時候才會換備胎 |
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本期沒有請他回答請不要佔據本期的時間臺中人的健康臺中人的肺請院長你要注意啊你要關心啊我們實質理性的來討論每一臺藍莓基礎每一年可以相轉運轉一個月一個月環境部部長你坐在這裡你站在這裡你是最需要照顧人民的健康啊 |
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報告委員他空屋是顯著的減量然後他的燃煤也顯著的減少40跟30都很明確的我會再繼續跟你討論我講白了一句話你就是怕缺電所以你要犧牲我們台中人的健康 |
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再請教部長再請教院長您剛才說的緊急備用所有的條件會在你的備用量600以下才可以運轉嗎?會在這個你的AQI指標80以下才運轉嗎?會不會?會不會?會不會? |
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這部需要的時候就不會運轉? |
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你現在的能源政策從王美娥部長到現在展率時程都慢了所以我們真的很緊張拜託院會尊重發言委員的質詢請大家輕聲細語好嗎拜託拜託拜託請大家輕聲細語尊重質詢委員的質詢權謝謝 要不然請繼續時間繼續 |
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所以院長我再請教卓院長我們非常的理性來討論臺中人關鍵的議題也就是說請問你剛才所開的條件不清不楚你說需要的時候你就會可以啟動我也告訴你依法每一部的藍莓機組每一年可以一個月720小時所以請教院長 |
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如果你們要運轉的時候,你要啟用的時候,請教院長,你會不會徵詢臺中市政府的意見?請教院長。沒有請你說話,請教卓院長。關鍵性的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].start |
31619.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].end |
31632.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
你會徵詢嗎?你會不會徵詢?我跟委員報告一個最關鍵的問題,我不會不比你關心台中。好,謝謝你的關心,請問你會不會徵詢?請問你會不會徵詢?我的習慣是台中市委員知道嗎?請問你既然是台中市,你更應該要關心,請問你會不會徵詢? |
| transcript.whisperx[815].start |
31640.205 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].end |
31641.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
請問你會不會徵詢?依照辦法必須徵詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].start |
31649.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].end |
31668.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
依照辦法必須徵詢你也是台中人所以我繼續要告訴你政府沒有講出真相政府沒有講出真相剛剛我們說的如果燃氣全面開的時候我告訴你我們的還說書我們的環境部長你在這裡請你講真相 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].start |
31671.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
31679.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
還說書裡頭顯示,中火燃氣一期及二期基礎上限之後,我們電廠的溫室氣體排放總量會減少27%,這是對的。但是,請你講真相,濾裝物會增加60%,所謂的濾裝物,也就是自來物最嚴肅的一個議題。 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].start |
31691.241 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
31709.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
所以臺中人的行政院長請你正視這個問題因為改善空汙是政府的責任所以我希望我們的綠電發展趕不上社會所需求的時候你應該要冷靜的去思考因為PM2.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].start |
31713.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
31735.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
全國歷史WHO裡頭認定一級的致癌物環境部部長請你耳朵聽所以因此我沒有請你講話所以請你看看先生院長你看到我們台中市台中市的死亡率什麼最高癌症台灣的三冠王肺癌 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].start |
31737.136 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].end |
31746.558 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
三萬萬不管是人數不管是發聲率通通都是最高所以因此你剛才所說的你是台中人 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].start |
31748.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].end |
31770.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
當你當上了行政院院長應該要重視我們台中我告訴你方法你告訴我方法我告訴你數據台灣現在的肺癌肺腺癌是世界各國國外的3到5倍是3到5倍喔所以因此院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].start |
31771.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].end |
31789.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].text |
我希望王美花院長部長可以做的在你左院長你又是台中人你應該更要做就是這個一模一樣啊所以院長你們現在的能源政策能源政策就是什麼總統當吸票機我們人民當什麼吸塵器 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
31790.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
31792.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
所提出來的重大建設 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].start |
31813.166 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].end |
31813.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].text |
是這個啊?完全一樣啊? |
| transcript.whisperx[825].start |
31834.344 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].end |
31848.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].text |
陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸續除役陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].start |
31861.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].end |
31861.409 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
不是說總統講的嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[827].start |
31883.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
31905.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
是行政院長欸!總統講的!總統講叫你趕快除役!今天環評通過的並非跟管美花部長要雙贏政策!剛剛委員放的影片裡面總統說的跟這個結果就一模一樣啊!六氣發電,六煤儆備,就是這樣子啊!總院長,你說你剛才特別告訴我你是台中人 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
31906.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].end |
31916.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].text |
我真的非常希望你重視我不希望說行政院是最速的跳票政策就是這個能源政策這是不對的請你冷靜再思維環境部長您 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].start |
31923.368 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].end |
31950.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].text |
的態度讓我們覺得你沒有為我們的環境在努力。請你看看我們台中人,我們附近來的人數,肺炎的發生率,尤其WHO說了PH2.5就是最大的致癌的這個重要因子。所以請你將心比心。你在這邊不是跟我辯,而是要去維護你的政策是正確的。所以卓議員長本席再次強調,剛剛你說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].start |
31952.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].end |
31979.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].text |
就是未來啟動的時候,備用啟動,你會徵詢台中市政府,是不是?剛剛你說了,你要徵詢台中市政府的同意嘛,是不是?你要徵詢台中市政府的同意,卓院長,是不是?你要徵詢台中市政府的同意才得商轉備容量的一個備用,對不對?要徵詢台中市政府的同意,對不對? |
| transcript.whisperx[831].start |
31980.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].end |
31984.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].text |
謝謝楊瓊英委員質詢。謝謝卓院長、各部會首長的備詢。在接下來我們請最後一位登記35號林楚英委員質詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].start |
32011.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].end |
32033.883 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].text |
再一次拜託各位委員請輕聲細語楊求英委員楊求英委員質詢結束了小聲一點謝謝楊求英委員你質詢結束了麻煩小聲一點好 林主委員請好 謝謝主席主席邀請我們卓榮泰卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].start |
32041.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].end |
32064.054 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].text |
林委員好院長好 院長辛苦了這個院長我大概是質詢你已經不是第一次但這一次我最緊張因為很少有質詢的時候有這麼多立委同僚在現場所以身兼最後一棒我自己壓力很大但是我們都知道身為立法院立委的職權在這個會期其實就是審總預算但是目前總預算因為還沒有附委 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].start |
32065.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].end |
32088.954 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].text |
這兩天其實大家都是針對一個編列的形式性來做詢答其實無法進入真正的細節那當然剛剛前面的很多國民黨的委員特別提到的不論是進法補償啊或者是農糧收購或者是健保的點數其實這些政策的預算都重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].start |
32089.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].end |
32089.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].text |
執訓了兩天之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].start |
32105.126 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].end |
32105.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].text |
非常謝謝委員給我這個機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].start |
32134.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].end |
32161.685 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].text |
市長在上一次的中央政府預算的報告案當中我們除了指出預算編製的過程裡面的重點之外我們特別把大家所關心的進法補償、健保點數跟公糧收購特別用了相當的篇幅做了文字的說明那這個說明就代表行政院最終的立場也是我們唯一的原則那其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].start |
32163.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].end |
32182.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].text |
點數、健保點數跟公糧補助面對的是一個主決議對行政院在審查預算法案過程當中的那我們會用未來提升點數的努力以及農業部所提出的各項措施來照顧農民的權益那至於 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].start |
32183.843 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].end |
32204.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].text |
進法補償這一項,我容許我再次的強調,只要未來雙方在憲法70條的精神底下,在預算法90條,就是立法院在審查法案的時候,對於增加稅出,要跟行政院徵詢意見,更重要的是要彌補資金之來源。 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].start |
32207.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].end |
32231.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].text |
必要時候再去修改相關的法律只要履行這樣的程序出來的預算或法案行政院必定遵守那這一次我們認為內容上、過程上有所疏忽但是我們願意用現在提出的方式只要大家確立剛剛的憲法跟法律的原則跟精神跟規定我們現在願意用 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].start |
32232.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].end |
32234.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].text |
二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].start |
32253.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].end |
32273.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].text |
前面的原則定好之後以後面這個方式來做解決那未來兩院之間就基於這樣的共識這樣的互相的尊重行政院尊重立法院的審議權立法院尊重行政院的預算權我們就能夠好好的從預算法案各方面來聯手創造更多福國利民的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].start |
32274.402 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].end |
32295.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].text |
為什麼本席願意花將近5分鐘的時間讓院長完整來陳述那就是我覺得在這個議事殿堂當中我身為最後一棒因為等一下也不確定到底朝野黨團經過協商之後在我10分鐘之後的質詢預算能不能真的復為但是至少我們不要再被 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].start |
32296.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].end |
32314.395 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].text |
斷章取義行政院沒有不發禁法補償只是在編列的過程中必須兩院有一定的智慧讓它合法來進行這是國家不論是立法或行政當中非常重要的一個過程所以我這樣的詮釋對嗎院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].start |
32315.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].end |
32329.071 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].text |
完全正確謝謝委員好那日本席是來自於媒體非常的關注的當然就是媒體的一些報導我們知道其實台灣歷經了山陀鵝然後再來是康瑞接下來銀杏颱風也要來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].start |
32331.474 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].end |
32358.053 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].text |
那本席特別看了這幾天的報導就會發現說其實各地的風災確實都造成了農損院長可以看一下從這個康瑞的農損高達2.3億這是雲林縣政府然後呢包括二期水稻也有將近7億的農損宜蘭呢也有這個農民親自跟我們的賴清德總統來做呼籲希望能夠進行補貼包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].start |
32360.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].end |
32360.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].text |
二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].start |
32379.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].end |
32397.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].text |
所有的受損的農民也沒有再分顏色其實大家期望的就是希望中央能夠給予補助那麼今天已經來到了11月5號我想問的是說那麼今年在農損的補助上面我們的預算充足嗎因為眼看銀杏台風又要來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].start |
32399.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].end |
32407.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].text |
農業部的災損金已經全部用完了我請部長報告我跟委員報告齁我們年度編列的那個天然災害災損金是27.1億但是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].start |
32411.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].end |
32434.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].text |
氣候變遷的關係其實從年初到包括這個三個颱風已經超過100項的災損的公報所以我們缺了大概56億那56億的部分大概也跟行政院報行政院也獲得同意所以我們現在今年度的整個的天然災害的預算是83.14億可以足夠應付到年底 |
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32435.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].end |
32450.027 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].text |
所以言下之意就是只能到年底如果現在114年的總預算不趕快復為的話因為現在極端氣候也不知道這個天氣的變化天象變化會如何其實各縣市的農民們 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].start |
32450.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].end |
32478.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].text |
都眼巴巴的希望政府能夠提供補助不論是總統或院長其實這幾天到民間都聽到了這樣的呼喚但是本席特別整理了一下就是我們知道總預算卡關但是其實地方可能都在熬熬待補我們來追溯一下歷史那就是過去其實總預算通常是在10月就會進行詢答那麼很少到現在11月的那麼也就是說剩下一個多月的時間到底總預算能不能過關呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].start |
32480.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].end |
32482.769 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].text |
我們來看一下其實以地方來講剛剛我特別提到了我報紙所整理出來的從桃園、宜蘭、台東、雲林其實執政縣市的都是國民黨的黨籍那我剛剛也講了這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].start |
32496.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].end |
32522.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].text |
封塞、封損、無情、不分藍綠以現在我們來看的話地方上22個縣市國民黨就超過了14個縣市還有兩席是民眾黨及無黨籍民進黨只有5席耶如果說現在總預算不過關的話很多都說民進黨當家不鬧事但是院長我們看到的是在地方上就是國民黨的 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].start |
32523.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].end |
32540.579 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].text |
現事首長居多如果接下來總預算再不過關的話其實我也希望趁現在大院最後的6分鐘我質詢完之後就會來針對總預算的附委然後我們來看立法院其實從席次來看 |
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32541.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].end |
32565.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].text |
也是國民黨占多數雖然國民黨一直喜歡講說當家不鬧事當家不鬧事但是從地方上的執政首長再到立法院的席次多數的都是國民黨啊總預算現在也卡在他們的手上我不知道院長您知不知道今天剛剛星期二我們有程序委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].start |
32566.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].end |
32587.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].text |
但是程序委員會依舊沒有決定星期五的程序星期五現在院會要處理什麼其實是不知道的而本席呢在6分鐘之後質詢結束我們就要來討論總預算經過了我們這35位朝野立委的詢答之後有沒有機會復委我想院長今天被問了好幾次 |
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32588.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].end |
32608.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].text |
現在聽到這裡,我們也看到其實地方上懇切的希望能夠預算復違。院長,您認為等一下預算復違的機率高嗎?或者是如果預算不復違,當我們看到的是地方不斷的請院長、請總統、請部長能夠給預算、給治水、幫幫忙,那到底要怎麼辦?院長。 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].start |
32617.095 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].end |
32645.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].text |
我看到現場委員一片祥和、其樂融融那等一下應該是會好的發展明年的農業部所拿的這個災損金災害的補助基金明年度編了39.61億元39.61億元將近40億元我們希望它不要用但是天然災害不可能我們願意把它花在最需要的地方最快的速度 |
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32645.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].end |
32668.04 |
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我再次感謝陳建仁前院長他能夠在去年就合訂了藍綠的電纜地下化而且綠島也在做表示我們的這個公共建設社會案任性是全面性的不分族群、不分地域、不分縣市、不分黨派我希望各位委員能夠支持我們明年還是在這樣的原則底下 |
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通過總預算我們緊緊的為人民做所有復國利民的法案跟政策希望大家大願能夠支持好,最後的四分半鐘我也要幫卓院長跟我們這一次114年度的總預算來做一個說明為什麼我剛剛一直在講地方根本就是國民黨執政因為國民黨的執政縣市超過半數高達14席民眾黨有兩席民進黨只有五席 |
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我們在113年度的時候我們的中央政府總預算是有補助地方的這個還不包含昨天在財政委員會上所上演的荒謬鬧劇張偉成、郁真突然間就毀棄了跟各黨團的協商跑去洗來燈然後回來之後就要暗度成章要用擴權法案的方式 |
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一樣偷偷摸摸的要偷渡財劃法可是事實上一邊卡總預算一邊要偷渡財劃法其實只是要搞亂我們的財政國家財政我們來看到113年度中央政府編列了2302億元要補助給地方 |
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一百一十四年度也有高達兩千五百零一億元要補助給地方所以其實這些都是中央展現對地方的支持對嗎那麼面對像現在其實 |
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我們在明年度 |
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包括統籌包括一般性的補助給地方的超過一兆總數達到一兆零一百五十一億元同時我們在明年度想要展開的全國六大區域的治理計畫那是跨縣市的而且是連續性的如果沒有一個長遠的計畫沒有一個中央的統籌各縣市實在是無法單獨作業的所以我希望從這兩個角度來看中央會持續加碼給地方所需要的各種照顧 |
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本席也特別找了資料就是其實過去這8年來中央給地方的補助是逐年的在做增加而且這8年來有高達了2000多億所以面對 |
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國民黨在明天的財政委員會可能要持續的推進才化法那麼院長這裡又怎麼來看因為一手黨中央總預算一手又要用空白授權的方式在水平分配22個縣市在分配標準沒有達到共識的情況底下如果推進院長您認為這對國家財政到底會造成什麼樣的影響 |
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我的信念是如果這一次向大院報告過中央政府總預算之後能夠順利的復違那表示我們提出的說明也被大家接受了未來大院在討論到財政收支劃分法的時候 |
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行政院當然也會非常願意跟大院一起來討論如何強化財政力提升競爭力用這個方式讓所有財政狀況比較不好的縣市能夠在未來行政院統籌底下能夠提升他的財政力這是當前最重要的要務之一我們會朝這個方向來做向大院來據理說明清楚 |
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我只希望身為立法委員我們也知道我們的職責在這個預算會期在12月31號就要截止本會期立委最重要的工作就是審預算沒有預算可審的立法院其實就是跟膠著性的空轉其實是沒有兩樣所以我也希望接下來能夠有好結果可以順利附委審查預算 |
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謝謝林楚英委員質詢。也謝謝卓院長、相關部會首長的備詢。謝謝。報告議員會 |
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32966.215 |
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32983.218 |
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報告委員會114年度中央政府總預算案及中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案之質詢均已詢答完畢。非常感謝卓院長以及相關部會首長列席答詢。 |
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抱怨會,現在已將近6點鐘會議時間,我們先處理延長會議之提議。現有國民黨團提議針對本日會議11月5日提出延長開會。 |
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至114年度中央政府總預算案及中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案相關事宜處理完畢此散會。請問院會有無異議?沒有異議我們做以下決定 |
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宣告本日會議115日延長開會時間至114年度中央政府總預算案及中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案相關事宜處理完畢才散會報院會好謝謝 |
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好謝謝先來宣讀重要事情謝謝麻煩院會請肅靜現在請卓院長及相關部會首長先行離席再次感謝卓院長及相關部會首長列席謝謝另外黨團幹部請6點鐘 |
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至紅樓3024,我們針對總預算案及相關處理事情進行協商。另外,並請主計處主計陳主席長、農業部陳部長、衛福部邱部長、原住民曾主委協商時列席。 |
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向各位委員再一次報告我們現在已經接近晚餐時間本院已經備託好晚餐便當請各位委員先行右餐等協商完畢之後我們繼續開會現在休息 |
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報言會我們現在繼續開會我們先處理朝野黨團協商結論請議事人員宣讀 |
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立法院黨團協商結論,時間113年11月5日下午6時,地點紅樓302會議室。協商主題,演上114年度中央政府總預算案及中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案相關事宜,決定事項一,為立法、行政兩院和諧互動,針對原住民進法補償、公糧收購及健保點子等預算編列事宜, |
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於11月7日、星期四以前由行政院院長邀請本院在野黨黨團、執政黨黨團會面表示處理上開預算解決方案及誠意。二、各黨團同意有關 |
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一百十四年度中央政府總預算案之各項提議均保留送院會依提案先後順序進行處理。三、各黨團同意有關中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案之各項提議均保留送院會依提案先後順序處理。主持人韓國瑜、協商代表 |
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王鴻薇、吳思瑤、蔡依宇、柯建民、林思敏、吳春城、黃國昌、麥玉珍、傅坤祺宣讀完畢請問議員會對以上朝野黨團協商結論有異議 |
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明而易矣,我們113年11月5日朝野協商結論,我們今決定如下。一、為立法、行政兩院和諧互動,針對原住民進法補償、公糧收購及健保點子等預算編列事宜。於11月7日 以前,由行政院院長邀請本院在野黨黨團、執政黨黨團會面,表示處理上開預算解決方案及誠意。 |
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二、各黨團同意有關114年度中央政府總預算案之各項題均保留送院會,依提案先後順序進行處理。三、 |
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各黨團同意有關中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案之各項提議均保留送院會依提案先後順序進行處理。辦院會現在先針對114年度中央政府總預算依提出之各項提議先後順序進行處理並截止收案。請議事人員一併宣讀提議之內容。 |
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本院民進黨黨團建請做成如下決定一百十四年度中央政府總預算案含附屬單位預算及總計表營業及分額部分交財政委員會依分配表及日程分送各委員會審查本院國民黨黨團建請院會做如下處理一百十四年度中央政府總預算案中為依法編組織二萬元進發補償公糧收購 |
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建保點值等主決議、相關預算經費、行政院一比照110年12月5日案例、行政院一立法院100年12月2日約會決議、約100年12月5日函宋修正、 |
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40414.208 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].text |
一百零一年度中央政府總預算案則列一百六十三億五千七百萬元之案例。行政院應就上述三項涉及相關法律規定及決議重新檢討。於一百十三年十一月七日前修正一百十四年度中央政府總預算案修正案為含送立法院前一百十四年度中央政府總預算案暫緩複為審查。 |
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本院臺灣民眾黨黨團藉請院會針對114年度中央政府總預算案做如下處理。114年度中央政府總預算案中為依法編列原住民族競發補償並為依照三黨團共識通過支柱決議 |
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40457.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].text |
提高公糧收購、健保電池等相關預算經費以兌現對基層農民與醫護的保證違反行政部門因依法行政如實編列預算之原則約停案針對行政院罕請審議。114年度中央政府總預算案含附屬單位預算及綜計表營業及分營顏部分案您請願會作成如下決定 |
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行政院一筆章69年11月28日審查中華民國70年度中央政府追加預算案時,曾提出糧食收購及肥料補貼相關之追加預算之前例。即110年12月5日,行政院一立法院100年12月2日院會決議於 |
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一百年十二月五日韓宋修正一百零一年度中央政府總預算案,增列一百六十三億五千七百萬元之案例,於一百十三年十一月七日前修正一百十四年度中央政府總預算案,修正案為韓宋立法院前一百十四年度中央政府總預算案暫緩複為審查,是否有當請公決案。宣讀完畢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[895].text |
委員會我們現在進行處理按鈴7分鐘並分發表決卡現在開始按鈴 |
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現在針對民進黨黨團所提114年度中央政府總預算案之提議進行處理請問院會對民進黨黨團提議有無異議?有異議我們進行表決針對民進黨黨團提議 |
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邀請有民進黨黨團要求記名表決。贊成民進黨黨團提議,請按贊成,反對請按反對。時間一分鐘,現在開始。 |
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謝謝!現在報告表決結果報告院會出席106位委員贊成48位反對58位贊成者少數報告院會現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決我們現在進行重複表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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41242.878 |
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好謝謝現在報告重複表決投票結果出席106位委員贊成48位反對58位贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不通過 |
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41252.355 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].end |
41260.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].text |
因國民黨、臺灣民眾黨黨團提議相同,所以我們一併處理。請問院會,針對國民黨團、臺灣民眾黨黨團提議有無異議?有無異議?有異議,我們進行表決。現在針對國民黨黨團、臺灣民眾黨黨團提議,現有民進黨黨團、 |
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41281.718 |
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| transcript.whisperx[901].text |
臺灣民眾黨黨團要求記名表決時間一分鐘我們現在開始 |
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41364.315 |
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41382.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].text |
法院會現在宣布表決結果出席106位贊成58位反對48位贊成者少數國民黨團、台灣民眾黨團現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決贊成者多數現在有民進黨黨團提議重複表決我們現在進行重複表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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| transcript.whisperx[903].text |
報告委員會現在宣布重複表決結果出席106位贊成58位反對48位贊成者多數報告委員會有關114年度中央政府總預算部分照國民黨團、臺灣民眾黨黨團提議通過做 |
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現做以下之決定。行政院依舊禁法補償、公糧收購健保點之三項涉及相關法律規定及決議重新檢討。於113年11月7日之前修正114年度中央政府總預算案。修正案為韓宋立法院前114年度中央政府總預算案暫緩複為審查。 |
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現在我們處理中央政府前瞻基礎建設第5期特別預算案之提議。請議事人員一併宣讀提示內容。 |
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41547.859 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].text |
本院民進黨黨團建請作成如下決定中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案交財政委員會會同有關委員會審查本院台灣民眾黨黨團進行院會針對中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案做如下處理中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案交財政委員會會同有關委員會審查社會遊蕩請公決案 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].start |
41551.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].end |
41561.828 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].text |
宣讀完畢報言會因民進黨黨團、臺灣民眾黨黨團提議相同所以我們一併處理請問院會對民進黨黨團、臺灣民眾黨黨團提議有無異議沒有異議有異議我們要進行表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].start |
41576.684 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].end |
41579.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].text |
針對民進黨黨團、臺灣民眾黨黨團提議現有民進黨黨團、臺灣民眾黨黨團要求記名表決記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].start |
41683.544 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].end |
41711.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].text |
抱怨會現在報告表決結果出席106位贊成106位本案通過抱怨會有關中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案照民進黨黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團提議通過我們做以下之決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].start |
41713.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].end |
41725.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].text |
中央政府前瞻基礎建設第5期特別預算案交財政委員會同有關委員會審查。報議院會循例並作兩項之決定如下。一、 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].start |
41727.409 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].end |
41745.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].text |
將各委員會發言記錄及書面質詢含送行政院,請就未答覆部分與書面答覆。二、已提出之書面質詢,尚未登載公報則,一律補刊。報言會本次會議進行到此為止,現在散會。 |
| IVOD_ID |
16227 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16227 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-2-7 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-05T08:30:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-05T20:05:00+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |