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| 會議時間 |
2024-11-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。二、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案」案。三、審查委員吳秉叡等21人擬具「公民投票法部分條文修正草案」案。四、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具「公民投票法第二十三條條文修正草案」案。五、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「公民投票法第二十一條及第四十三條條文修正草案」案。） |
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我們請主任秘書報告出席人數。報告委員會出席委員14人以主法定人數。現在開會,進行報告事項,請宣讀上次會議議事錄。 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議一事錄。時間113年10月30日星期三上午9時4分至10時43分。地點紅樓202會議室。出席委員王美惠委員等13人。列席委員林倩琦委員等14人。請教委員麥玉珍委員1人。列席官員內政部部長劉詩芳暨相關人員。其餘列席官員請參閱。主席張昭基委員紅錄。 |
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報告事項宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定。討論事項一繼續審查消防法部分條文修正草案案等計18案請參閱。二、審查委員徐富鬼等17人委員徐巧興等18人委員蘇巧慧等16人及委員羅廷偉等16人分別擬具消防法部分條文修正草案案。委員蘇巧慧說明提案要旨。決議消防法部分條文修正草案等22案。依第15條修正通過修正條文請參閱。 |
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第二十一條之一修正通過修正條文請參閱。增訂第二十五條之一第三十五條第三十七條及第四十二條均照行政院提案通過。增訂第二十五條之三修正通過修正條文請參閱。第二十七條之一修正通過修正條文請參閱。第二十八條修正通過修正條文請參閱。 |
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第43條不予修正維持現行條文。第43條之一修正通過修正條文請參閱。通過附帶決議7項本次會議審查通過這條文相關法制用與授權主席及議事人員整理並按審查完据擬具審查報告提報院會討論不需交由黨團協商並推請張昭及委員洪祿與院會討論時做補充說明。宣讀完畢。 |
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請問各位委員,上次會議議事錄有無錯誤或遺漏?沒有?好,我們議事錄確定。現在繼續進行報告事項和討論事項,請宣讀。 |
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第23條條文修正草案案。四、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具公民投票法第21條及第43條條文修正草案案。宣讀完畢 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。 |
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三、審查委員徐宇貞委員。四、審查委員黃建斌委員。四、審查委員張宏祿委員。四、審查委員王美惠委員。四、審查委員蘇巧惠委員。四、審查委員李博義委員。四、審查委員羅智強委員。四、審查委員鄭振淺委員。四、審查委員謝龍介委員。四、審查委員賴士寶委員。 |
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三、審查委員葛儒君等19人擬具李思明等19人擬具鍾嘉斌等19人擬具麥玉珍等19人擬具本委員會等19人擬具行政官員等19人擬具中選會主任委員李敬勇等19人擬具內政部常務次長吳唐安次長等19人擬具 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。六、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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主席各位委員還有我們列席的官員今天在我們要推動這個公投並大選的修法之前我真的非常希望在場尤其是民進黨的朋友跟民進黨的官員好好想想蔡同榮蔡公投這一輩子的職質是什麼 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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三、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。七、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。八、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。九、審查委員吳秉叡等 |
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就把公投法修二,然後火速修法之後等於就沒收跟閹割了人民手中最重要的公民投票權利,沒收了憲法當中對於人民的創制跟複決權。事實上在昨天新國會智庫委託區市民調公司所做出最新的民意調查, |
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有66.3%的民眾是支持公投並大選的反對的只有21.3%就算是民進黨的支持者也有高達64%是支持公投並大選那事實上這次民調其實有一部分也針對內政部一直在反對公投並大選其中一項理由 |
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一直強調說公投並大選會造成選務延宕。我們來看看今天就算是針對內政部的這個主張民眾的看法是什麼?針對2018年開票延遲的原因有43.2%是認為中選會沒有規劃周延 |
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高於37.6%的公投綁大選導致延遲。但是更重要的數據是什麼?即便這37.6%認為是公投綁大選造成開票延遲也有高達63%的民眾是支持公投並大選所以是反對者32.4的一倍他只證明了一件事情 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案 |
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原因大家心知肚明公投跟大選拆開之後造成投票率的下降首先就是使得公投要通過幾乎變成不可能而它的下一個影響是什麼就是去年的公投年其實是民進黨最可恥的公投年在民進黨修二公投法之後去年公投年不要講沒有公投法通過沒有公投案通過連一個公投提案都沒有出現了 |
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公投正式被民進黨宣告死亡。為什麼?因為大家知道民進黨修了公投法之後不會有公投通過啊。為什麼我們還要浪費力氣去連署成案公投呢?所以去年竟然是一案公投都沒成立。這不是今天民進黨之恥嗎? |
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這難道對得起蔡同榮、蔡公投的在天之靈嗎?我最後想要一句話來奉還民進黨不要把公投並大選當成毒蛇猛獸全世界的公投多半都是跟大選一起來舉行這句話不是羅智強講的這句話如果錯了不要罵羅智強這句話是陳其邁講的 |
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民進黨當年多麼多麼地力拼了公投並大選今年就多麼多麼地踐踏公投並大選今天在這裡我還是真的誠懇的奉勸民進黨公投並大選不是在野黨的提出來首提的是民進黨長期的信念不要把自己神主牌砸在地上拜託今天翻籃改正謝謝 |
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三、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具 |
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另外也補介紹我們今天列席的單位還有司法院行政訴訟及懲戒廳的副廳長楊坤喬副廳長還有法務部的參事廖江憲廖參事接下來請臺灣民眾黨黨團代表麥玉珍委員提案說明謝謝主席 |
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大家早安。針對公民投票法案21條及43條條文修正草案的提案修正草案主要基於優化投票流程保障選民的隱私並減少選務成本以下重點以說明第一提案背景與動機我們 |
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台灣民眾黨本市修法由台灣民眾黨立法院黨團提出。背景沿自2017年立法院張地了公民投票的提案門檻,導致公投提案數量大幅增加。在2018年九合一大選期間,公投案件案數多達10件。 |
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現行一案一章所以選票印製的方式讓選民需要在多張選票上 |
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主義勾選,增加了投票複雜度,影響了選民的投票體驗。同時,選務人員的工作負擔也加重,並造成選務成本上升。二、公民隱私與秘密投票的保障。現行選舉規定,允許選民選舉 |
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選擇的部分領取或不領取的特定公投選票,然而這一過程可能導致旁人藉由選民是否領取 |
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某些公投的票推測其投票的意向,今而侵犯了選民秘密的投票權利,本是修法你參考美國公投的制度,將所有的議題印在同一張選票上。 |
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避免他人得以窺探選民的投票意圖。第三、修法內容與新增的條款。本次修法章在第21條增訂第二頁明確規定當公投案數超過一定的數量時,所有的議題 |
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因應製同意帳的選票。此條款不僅能簡化選民勾選的過程,亦有助於維護投票的隱私,確保選務順利進行。此外,本修法授權中央主管機構制定當公投案數超過一定數量的標準。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具《公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具《公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具《公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具《公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具《公民投票法第三十條條條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19 |
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符合時機的需求,藉由統一選票選民可快速完整投票的流程,減少了多張選票造成混亂,亦其可提升選舉的效力,並合法祕密投票的基本原則。 |
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本案提案主張張多項投票議題合併在一張的選票上有助於現實的辯解、隱私及效率的選票目的。希望大家支持臺灣民眾黨的修法。謝謝。好。謝謝賴議長委員。接下來請賴士寶委員提案說明。 |
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謝謝主席及各位先進本席所提的修法呢修公投法第三十條相關的規定我們都知道這個公投是直接民權的展現也是民進黨特別是最早的蔡同榮委員長期的不斷的在campaign的一個訴求 |
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就是直接民權臺灣的民主發展一切就是為了服務老百姓人民最大人民是頭家我們立委是大議士官員也是總統選上之後找他們來的這一切就是為了服務人民所以直接民權的展現就是公投的結果結果一定要實施啊 |
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結果呢我們可以看到2018年以和養綠通過了那個條文是什麼那個條文就是原來的電液法95條第一項所提到的在2025年所有的核電都要廢掉把這個條文廢掉啦也就是2025年的非核把它廢掉 |
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所以這裏面很清楚的老百姓是要以核養綠、核綠共存。結果民進黨政府懷柴要去找,硬是通通的把核電廠通通殺掉。現在很清楚的,這段時間,現在臺灣就是非核,臺灣一個核電廠都沒有。河山的澳籍現在在大修,也沒有。可見得,工作是假的啊。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。六、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。 |
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例如說環境部長如果你不做的話你辭職這是對自己的一個主張對自己的一個政治主張負責任的表現這個工作結果你不能接受那你就離開老百姓的意志最大老百姓的意志要展現那結果 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等21人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。六、審查委員吳秉叡等21人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。七、審查委員吳秉叡等21人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。八、審查委員吳秉叡等21人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。 |
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我個人覺得兩年不夠啊改成四年所以我第二個主張就是改成四年第三個前面委員提到了原來的公民投票法厚水厚水也沒有強制規定要綁大選可是不排除綁大選結果現在呢2019年民進黨仗著國會的暴力的多數 |
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本來改成鳥籠公投或者是鐵籠公投,絕對不可以來這個大選。說好了,結果到從2019到現在,一個公投案都沒有過。活生生的掐死民進黨長期的主張,那就是公投。長期的主張,人民直接民權的一個展現。那麼最後一點我要提到的, |
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我看到媒體有報導說中選的主委說這樣啊這個東西這樣選務的問題啦這是選務的問題啦是什麼政治的問題等等的不對李主委你看一看其他先進國家美國也好瑞士也好 |
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五個公投案十個公投案都跟大選在一起了現在美國要投票了公投案所有的案子列在一張不管你五個案子十個案子二十個案子列在一張所以就不會有2018年的那種混亂的情況發生這個你們要去改進了 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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現在美國馬上要投票了美國除了選總統選選國會議員之外另外一張就是要他的公投案所有的公投案放在一張選票裡面這些的問題就沒有了我覺得用這樣的技術問題來卡住說公投不能辦大選這是非常滑稽的這是欺騙台灣人民那麼最後再次強調我的提案就是 |
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公投是人民展現直接民權,他公投的結果不能夠僅供參考啊,要實施啊,如果你做不到,那你就走人嘛,就這樣子而已。這裡當然,這裡面的首長不包括總統,總統是選的,總統是選的,這個跟總統沒有關係,是相關的首長,比如說以和洋率, |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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請張宏祿委員程序發言。 |
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主席、各位同仁我們今天討論這個公投法我相信在座的每個人都支持公投因為這是人民的創制複決權不過大家也不要忘了在民國110年的時候我們的全國性公投裡面第19案 |
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就那時候是我們的江副院長他是領銜人他那邊的主題就是是否同意公民投票要綁大選其實那時候的投票結果是不通過的 |
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再有一些技術性的問題比如說要把所有的公投案列在一張看似好像合理不過以我當過選委會總幹事的經驗我覺得這個到時候再開票再計票會有很大的問題為什麼勒 |
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如果中間有一題他是蓋錯了那你這一整張的選票你到底要全部認定還是一題一題來認定這會造成選務人員非常非常大的一個困擾所以我覺得今天不管各位委員提出的所有的案子我覺得我們都尊重 |
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不過這麼知識體大的一個問題我覺得我們必須要開個公聽會啦讓所有的人專家學者或者是有在這個過程當中有沒有受害者或什麼的我們都應該讓他來說說他的心聲我們應該讓聲音讓大家聽得到我覺得應該這樣啊我們內政委員會從以前到現在遇到重大的法案我們都會這樣子 |
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像上個會期的海保法也是大家說認為應該要多開公聽會我記得我們多開了五場公聽會那我覺得把社會各界的聲音我們都聽到那我們再來好好的來就法案的內容我們大家來討論所以我在這邊要跟主席報告我真的具體的建議我們來開個三場或幾場的公聽會然後呢我們今天我們也不要浪費時間 |
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我們還是繼續質詢但不要討論法案等公聽會完了之後主席你再來排我覺得這樣子比較符合我們立法院尊重民意然後我們了解民意我們再來好好的討論法案我覺得這樣子是比較好的一件事情所以我在這邊主席我要非常非常的嚴肅的跟你報告我們要開公聽會要開公聽會謝謝 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員張鴻祿等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。 |
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謝謝我首先也呼應剛剛張宏祿委員他所講的今天這個修法的提出其實我覺得都各有各的道理啦那我也認為說必須要開幾場公聽會來支持我們這個修法為什麼我們都知道從2018年 |
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在2018年如果要檢討說民進黨害怕這個提案怕公投綁大選的話那也很感謝國民黨一直提起蔡同榮委員我也要提醒國民黨我們是不是也要邀請丁守中委員也要來參加公聽會當年的受害者是他 |
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我不是說要拖到12月再來處理這些公聽會但是至少我們要讓多一點這些可能當時有經歷公投跟大選綁在一起的當事人來發表一下他們的意見吧。二、當初2018年的時候因為邊開票邊投票 |
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這一些亂象的時候當然我們也期待中選會未來面對大型的選舉、複雜的選舉有檢討的空間以外你要不要問問民眾民眾在人民已經在2021年投票公投票第19案不同意公投綁大選大家支持是跟人的選舉來可以分開 |
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在今天國民黨的提案裡面也有一案希望公投的效力是可以延長到四年而不是兩年那我們現在三年還沒到我們就來提出這一個我覺得不管是本黨的委員或者是社會甚至國民黨的委員我們都需要聆聽更多社會的意見 |
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在2026年如果國民黨急著把公投綁入大選如果國民黨認為2018年選輸的不是只有民進黨如果認為國民黨沒有選輸的話我覺得 |
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審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。 |
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但是當時的輪值主席似乎認為安排公聽會似乎沒有必要,那當時法案就審查完畢了。但是到了隔週,輪到我要安排上週的會議的時候,我特別三黨都去拜託。那麼傅坤祺總召他說先去問民眾黨,民眾黨同意我就同意,那我當然去找民眾黨的黃總召。 |
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那麼黃總召說我騙他他也沒有撤遷所以到後來上週一個無頭公案到底憲法訴訟法要不要排公聽會各黨的態度如何一直是眾說紛紜但是呢就在上週我們審查稅務事件審理法的時候 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查公投法部分條文修正草案。六、審查公投法部分條文修正草案。七、審查公投法部分條文修正草案。八、審查公投法部分條文修正草案。九、審查公投法部分條文修正草案。十、審查公投法部分條文修正草案。十、審查公投法部分條文修正草案。十、審查公投法部分條文修正草案。十、審查公投法部分條文修正草案。十、審查公投法部分條文修正草案。十、審查公投法部分條文修正草案。十、審查公投法部分條文修 |
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新竹市市民也以非常高的投票率跟非常高的同意率通過了一個公投法所以到底這個公投法呢?到底目前的施政結果不要只看2018、2019、2020等等我們來看看2021也有一個這樣的正面的例子所以建請我們在邀請公聽會的時候邀請新竹市當時發起這樣的一個公投法的團體他是公民團體發起的邀請他們來 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。 |
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謝謝主席現在進行程序發言這當然排公投法知識體大大家需要充分的討論這一點本席並不反對有關於民進黨黨團希望先召開公聽會本席同樣不反對因為我覺得充分討論本來就是有其必要不過本席在這個地方借用這個程序發言的時間做一個建議 |
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就是我們也要兼顧會議的效率跟梳理公聽會的題目我們如果要召開公聽會的話我要先知道討論的標的跟對象整個法案的重點需要更多社會大眾意見的爭點在哪裡所以本期要花一點點時間去建議就是說我們今天走完答詢的程序之後我覺得還是可以進行法條的宣讀然後進行第一輪的大體討論 |
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這一輪的大體討論不用進到主條今天也不會出委員會請民進黨放心但是在大體討論的過程中也許是各黨對這個法案有意見的人或者是各黨團先一邊透過答詢的過程先整理一下在一輪的大體討論抓一個相對短的時間把爭點梳理出來那麼未來在招待公聽會的時候至少主題會非常明確這樣子也兼顧了法案的審查進度這是本席的建議希望這個主席待會在裁示的時候可以做出參考以上謝謝 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。八、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。 |
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還是現在我們先休息讓大家來討論好那我們現在休息 |
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本次議程所列討論事項僅辦理詢答以及宣讀條文。四、兩場公聽會召開後,輪值順序為下週請張宏祿召委,下下週由本席各排一場公聽會。 |
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之後我們再進行審查。以上宣告有沒有問題?沒有。我們接下來請中選會李主委靜永報告。請業務報告與法案一併報告。 |
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謝謝主席主席各位委員女士先生貴委員會今天舉行全體委員會議本人應邀列席報告業務的概況並被質詢深感榮幸以下僅就本會近期辦理的各項工作分別報告如後 |
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第一項就是辦理基隆市第19屆市長謝國良的罷免案。基隆市第19屆市長謝國良罷免案是在113年10月13日已經完成投開票。在有效的票數之中不同意罷免的票數多於同意罷免的票數。依公職人員選舉罷免法第90條第二項的規定本罷免案投票結果是否決。本會已經在113年10月18日依法公告。 |
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罷免案的投票結果。二、辦理直轄市縣市議員的缺額補選。 |
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首先是辦理臺中市議會第4屆議員第15選區、宜蘭縣議會第20屆議員第4選舉區的缺額補選。臺中市第4屆第15選舉區、宜蘭縣議會第20屆議員第4選舉區缺額補選,在113年4月13日舉行投票。投票結果分別由吳建德先生、黃文如女士當選。本會在113年4月19日發布當選人的名單公告。 |
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再來是辦理新竹縣議會第20屆第7選舉區、臺東縣議會第20屆議員第16選舉區的缺額補選新竹縣議會的部分跟臺東縣議會的缺額補選都是在113年6月1日來舉行投票投票的結果分別是由陳興宏先生、董昌華先生當選本會在113年6月7日發布當選人名單的公告 |
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再其次報告督導辦理地方公職人員補選的作業。 |
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從113年1月到現在,督導各直轄市縣市選舉委員會,辦理本屆地方公職人員補選已經辦理了有86項,預定辦理的有6項,辦理的情形請各位委員參閱副表的一跟二。再其次是辦理直轄市縣市議員締補的作業,截至目前為止,已經締補本屆直轄市縣市議員13人,締補的情形請各位參閱副表第三。 |
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在其次是受理全國性公民投票辦理的情形本會辦理的全國性公民投票案件一百一十三年一共有三案辦理的情形分別報告如下第一是本會在一百一十二年十二月八日受理季節先生領銜提出的你是否同意廢止二零二零年十二月二十九日國防部宣布將民國九十四年次以後出生的異男異婦異妻延長為一年的公告 |
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全國性公民投票案經113年7月18日本會第605次的委員會議決議本案經補正之後仍不符公民投票法的規定所以我們予以駁回本會在113年7月31日已經復函給領銜人。第二件事本會在113年7月12日受理 |
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潘漢江先生領銜提出的你是否同意全面禁止含金屬材質的彈簧蓄壓式套索陷阱的使用、持有、販售、製造、陳列以及輸入、出。全國性公民投票案,經113年8月16日本會第606次的委員會議決議, |
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本案有舉行聽證的必要依法定程序發布公告及舉行聽證,並且在113年9月24日上午舉行聽證完略。四、於同年10月18日本會第608次的委員會議決議本案續名理由,含請提案人之領先人來補證。 |
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另外一件事,113年7月10日受理吳雨欣女士領銜提出的《你是否同意禁止海上公海的賽歌》全國性公民投票案經113年8月16日本會第606次委員會議決議本案有舉行聽證的必要依法定程序發布公告及舉行聽證並且在113年9月24日下午舉行聽證完略在113年的10月18日本會第608次委員會議決議本案因序名理由含請 |
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提案人致領銜人的補正。在即時報告全國性公民投票電子連署系統上線。那簡單的講起來這個電子連署系統已經在今年的4月10日來施行同時同日來舉行上線。 |
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在7次報告是修正發布公職人員選舉公辦證件發表會的實施辦法第三條,為了強化保障身心障礙候選人參與公辦證件會發表會的權益,所以在8月21日修正發布公職人員選舉 |
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公辦證件發表會實施辦法第三條政略第四項明定選舉委員會辦理公辦證件發表會應視身心障礙候選人的實際需要提供合理調整的措施其所需的經費由該次選舉的經費來支應。 |
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再其次是辦理選務幹部人員的講習,為充實各級選舉委員會專監職人員、地方政府選舉業務主管以及承辦人員、選務幹部人員之選務法令以及實務相關的專業智能,所以本會與行政院人事行政總署、公務人力發展學院南投縣區合作辦理 |
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選務幹部人員獎席113年度6月到9月一共辦理的6期培訓的人數有235人。在政黨連坐裁罰的部分,101年4月3日起契金一共裁罰了217件,裁罰的金額總共達到1億8千191萬5千元。受連坐裁罰的政黨、受政黨推薦候選人 |
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所犯罪名以及裁罰金額相如附件四跟五。在其次是辦理選舉送徵的案件目前上系署中的案件檢數暨有最高行政法院有五件臺北高等行政法院有九件各該訴訟案件的進度相如附件附表六跟七。在其次是參與國際選舉組織的活動 |
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積極參與世界選舉機關協會 及亞洲選舉官署協會 的活動。113年1月本會由本人率團參加在印度新德里舉行的AAEA執行委員會,邀請各國來臺參加113年我國所舉辦的AAEA會員大會。 |
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113年3月20日AWAVE第12屆執行委員會議在韓國仁川舉行本會是由陳副主任委員曹健代表參加。113年9月10日到14日2024年AAEA的會員大會在我國舉行。這次會議一共有印度等7個國家出席實體的會議另外孟加拉等三國採視訊的方式參加會議我國在這次的大會接任AAEA的主席國AAEA會員大會 |
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舉辦期間並舉行維護選舉公正性以防制選務的錯假訊息的國際研討會美國選舉制度基金會選舉專家發表專題的演講。一百一三年10月21日到25日AWeb的第六屆會員大會在哥倫比亞的波哥大舉行本會是由本人率團參加並且在會員大會獲頒選務實踐以及創新獎。 |
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其次,報告第11屆第一會期內政委員會通過本會的臨時提案一共有兩案,辦理情形相如副表達。最後,報告結語,擴大政治參與,落實主權在民是民主政治的基本理念,選舉是人民政治參與的具體表現,公民投票則是主權在民的直接實踐,本會為達成貫徹憲法保障民主法治及人民參政權的 |
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設立宗旨,營造公平公正公開的參選環境,為本會努力追求的目標。本會全力同仁將群策群力依法辦理選舉罷免以及公民投票等各項業務,完善各項選務作業,增進社會大眾對選務機關的信任感,讓人民展現真正的意志,以確保憲法賦予人民的參政權利。以上業務件報告的部分,敬請各位指教。 |
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公民投票法的修正案。首先第一個案子是剛剛大家琢磨很多的公民投票跟選舉要在並同辦理這部分。 |
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在討論這個議題的時候大家都一定會提到2018年九項的地方選舉跟十個案子的公民投票合併舉行所引發的選務的大混亂那這個實在是一個很不堪的一個回憶那當然在這個事件之後各方的檢討聲浪很多那有很多人指責中選會應變 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。六、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。七、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。八、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。 |
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我特別要提到的一個情況就是說其實在2018年以前從2004年到2018年以前一共有十個案子有十個公投案子他們是合併選舉來舉辦的 |
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在2018年以前的合併辦理並沒有發生2018年的選務亂象。那為什麼一樣是合併辦理2018年會發生這個選務的亂象呢?除了中選會的應變不急之外還有沒有其他的原因?這個我們必須要去正式面對才能夠根本的解決問題。 |
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其實社會也有很多很多的這個發現這個發現裡面最重要的一點其實就是選務的量遠遠超過我們選務機關所能承載的範圍這是一個不爭的事實以往一個案子兩個案子三個案子甚至於是四個案子不會發生問題但是增加到十個案子就會發生問題了 |
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這個問題到底要如何解決呢?簡單的一句話來講就是一定要進行選務的分流的改革要把這個量給分散出去讓我們選務機關的量能足夠才能夠確保選務的過程是順利的 |
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到底要怎麼做呢?具體的辦法就是在2019年6月大院修正公民投票法,把選舉跟公民投票脫鉤了,分開了。 |
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分開了之後到底有沒有好處呢?有沒有改善呢?的確是有改善的。我們從2020年的總統跟立委的選舉、2021年的四大公投、2022年的九合一地方公職人員選舉,一直到2024年的總統跟立委再一次的選舉, |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。 |
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投票人人數到選舉投票動線的規劃跟管理我們做了一系列的檢討以及改革才能夠有這麼一個效果所以所謂的分流把選舉跟罷免選舉跟公投來脫鉤是有效的這是第一點的報告 |
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當然我們的委員有很多對國外的法制都相當的了解也舉了很多國外的例子那國外的例子固然是脫鉤跟合併都有的我們拿大家最喜歡談的瑞士來講瑞士他的選舉跟公投就是徹底的脫鉤如果是這個公投碰到選舉的話那公投就要改期了 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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限制公投案不能多於事件所以最為大家所津津樂道的瑞士他除了徹底的脫鉤之外同時還限制公投的案數這是最徹底的在美國大家也都提到了美國就是併在一起 |
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美國併在一起固然是沒有錯,但是他也有配套。他怎麼配套呢?就拿加州的例子來講,加州一次也是十幾個案子上來,但是呢,加州並不像我們台灣,是必須要在當天一天內八點到下午四點,必須要在當天親自到投開票所去投票,美國不來這套。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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不但如此,在有些州,包括伊利諾州,他限制每次只能夠三案。包括密西西比州,他限制每次只能夠四案。所以就外國的立法律來講,大概有三種方式來分流。為什麼大家都要分流?因為選務機關的承載量的確是有限的,不是沒辦法你把我帶到大陸,我都有辦法躺下去,絕對不是這個樣子。 |
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而分流的方式最徹底的是瑞士他是分這個脫鉤而且限制案數那在其次呢美國比如說是加州他是有多元的投票方式拉開投票的時間不必親自到投開票所當天去投票他也限制了案數那臺灣我們現在所採取的方式只是把它脫鉤而已 |
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我們只是做到瑞士的一半脫鉤我們還沒有限制到這個案數那如果說要把這個選舉跟這個公投再綁在一起的話如果沒有採取這些分流的配套的措施那真的是非常非常的危險 |
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我想我們的人民絕對不會允許我們選務機關、我們政府部門再發生一次2018年的選務的亂象。但是呢,要談到說多元的投票方式,這樣又壞了就對了。你要這個分流,如果要採取像美國那樣子,可以7000投票、可以通信投票,這樣又壞了。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。 |
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三、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。八、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。九、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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我們認為這個辭職是一個政治的責任那政治的責任實在是沒有辦法在法律具體的條文裡面來予以規範你硬把它規定進去也無從去執行所以政治的責任應該是政治解決至於機關首長如果有違反其他行政上的義務的話現有的法制也應該都可以cover來處理那這一點我們也希望大家能夠審慎的再來研議 |
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再一個就是民眾黨團所提出來的,如果有多案的話要把它印在,不過這個就好,要把它印在一張裡面,這個實務上會有困難,因為我們的開票都是必須要簡暢記者,要天開洪看就對了。你一張票十幾個案子,然後你展開的時候,某一個案子是贊成某一個案子是反對, |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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澳洲,澳洲是用人工的開票澳洲就是一個案子一張公投票那這一點也提供給大家做參考那其他未盡的部分等一下再詢問的時候再請各位能夠提出來多多指教以上報告請各位指教謝謝 |
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其他單位的報告請委員們自行參閱並刊登公報現在進行詢答委員質詢前原例做幾點宣告第一每位委員發言時間本會委員6分鐘必要時得延長2分鐘非本會委員5分鐘上午10點30分截止發言登記因為今天 |
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僅進行詢答,臨時提案截止提出時間11點,與本會委員詢答完畢後處理。」請問各位同仁有沒有意見? |
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如果有的話,我們就還是在委員詢答完畢後處理。目前沒有。好,現在進行詢答。我們請登記第一位的蘇巧慧委員發言。蘇巧慧委員發言。蘇巧慧委員發言。好,謝謝主席。我們請李主委。請李主委。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。 |
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公投綁大選你是否同意結論就是不同意綁大選這樣子的態度已經在社會的公投當中也展現過了所以我們今天為什麼又要再來探討一次公投是不是要跟大選的時程合併這個主委你心中的看法剛剛其實已經花了很長的時間表述過了嘛作為一個選務機關你從主旨也好從選務的實際工作來講您的態度就是不贊成 |
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公投和選舉兩者併在一起。我是代表我們全國的選務工作人員,包括地方政府辦理選務的人員,大家共同的心聲。我們是堅決的希望公投跟大選能夠分開辦理。 |
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所以您的態度很清楚代表選務全國的選務機關人員認為這個公投跟大選是應該要分開的說實在的我們今天其實這屆的立法院真的是很常要上這個歷史課啊要回憶一下我們所有修法的這個前因後果所以我們來看一下嘛我們公投法制定我們再看一個法律你要修正你一定要符合它的本質意義 |
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實際作為可不可行?公民投票制度的意義與主體公民投票這個制度的設計意義是什麼?就是在民主國原則也就是國民主權主權在民的原則之下我們當然有了間接民主就是我們在選舉的時候我們選出了代議士讓這些代議士民意代表 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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所以一個是對人的選舉一個是對事的公投間接民主和直接民主這是民主社會裡面在民主國原則下面的兩大原則它就是拆開的狀況啊這個主委講到這裡我們都討論下去這沒問題吧 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法》案。五、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法》案。六、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法》案。七、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法》案。八、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法》案。 |
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我們當時的狀況確確實實就是因為公投的案數太多所以我們不但要一邊選人但一邊還要決定事情結果事情的每一張的選舉投票單上面事情投票單上面事情的敘述哎呀夾敘法道義法這個鼎爭法什麼都用上了就是故意讓你看不懂 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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就今天國民黨民眾黨提出的公投法修正案我們主席才是願意再召開兩場的公聽會這兩場的公聽會我認為非常的重要因為它就是再次喚醒大家的記憶我們已經討論多年的公投法公投公投對市的公投到底要和對選人的選舉要怎麼處理這件事情 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。 |
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我想這也符合全體公民的一個希望期待希望選務是能夠順利所以你要怎麼對事情表達意見這是提案人這樣子的意見但是對選務來講我們要清楚明白更何況我提前還發現了一個做出了一個調查來講的話是從 |
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二、審查委員吳秉叡等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員吳秉叡等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員吳秉叡等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員吳秉叡等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員吳秉叡等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。 |
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超過三分之一都是立法委員立法委員你不是就是在立法院剛剛我們在說的間接民主當中你就是應該在立法院裡面做提案修正法律或提案的人嗎你怎麼會又跑到外面去做一個直接民主的領銜人我覺得這有一點大家也可以討論看看也許公聽會上面也可以做一個討論 |
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最後我要針對這個還有另外一案這個30條的部分也是跟大家做個意見的交換因為我們還有兩場公聽會可以表達這公投法30條學得洋洋灑灑這個提案的時候是說有關重大決策應由總統或權責機關這個於三個月內提出 |
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為實踐該公民投票內容之必要處置。」聽起來很正確啊就是行政機關要照著剛剛直接民主公民投票的結論去做可是魔鬼藏在細節裡啦他在後面你看從但這個字後面開始喔但違反該公民投票案內容之行政處分法規定或行政規則或執行法律細節或補充性規定應即停止欸 |
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什麼是違反怎麼個違反法公民投票公投這個其實常常都是方向啊那方向決定了之後有太多的執行的狀況是屬於行政應該要作業的狀況啊一層一層的行政機關有太多的方法可以去決定去執行公投的方向啊那難道你每一個執行的方法 |
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都要再拿出來再公民投票一次嗎?再公民投票說這個行政機關用A方法不合適違反了這個我們剛剛公民投票案的內容決議然後我們要再投票一次嗎?這個太奇怪了嘛所以第一這就是所謂的不確定性法律概念又存在在這裡了 |
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第二、如果沒有僅此執行者,權責機關之首長應立即提出辭職。哇!用律法來規定行政人員要辭職的,這又是透視人員第一敗又看到了。結果你看看不明確的行政概念,不明確的法律概念,和 |
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立法權侵犯行政權。」各位,歷史課又來了,有沒有覺得這個場景似曾相識?不明確的法律概念加立法權侵犯行政權,啊不就是從2月開始的國會擴權法案,就是在講這種事情嗎?所以等於是我們從2月開始一直到現在,甚至是大法官都已經剛剛做出了裁判了, |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。 |
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接下來請張志倫委員好主席好呃各位委員各位媒體先進各位官員大家早安是邀請李主委好請李主委 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。 |
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本席支持羅智強委員的版本主要就是需要說公投榜大選讓人民的心聲可以讓政府聽到所以我們也可以看一下我們過去公投法的歷史在當時在2003年民國92年的12月31號當時定立公投法的時候在24條就已經有這個條文是說這個中選會應該在公投 |
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三十條條文修正草案案公告成立後一個月應該得以全國性的選舉是同日舉行其實當時的92年2003年的那個概念就是要公投綁大選可是那時候是用德字就說可以那在2018年的時候那時候民進黨是屬於多數在第23條那時候有有通過民進黨黨團的修法把德字改成英字意思就是把這個公投綁大選的合理性 |
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再次加強說公投就應該要綁大選因為可以省錢讓人民省時間而且讓投票率變得更高可是沒有想到在2018年的時候那時候投票結果剛剛大家一直有講到十個公投案結果投出來的結果可能當時的民進黨執政黨不是很滿意所以在2019年的時候就修法講說公投現在因為選的不好公投不要綁大選了 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員 |
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謝謝委員的指教我剛剛已經跟各位報告過就是說2004年我們第一次這個公民投票那個時候是跟大選在一起在2018以前2004以後一共進行了十個案子的公民投票的投票那他是跟選舉綁在一起的選務順遂沒有發生任何的問題 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具 |
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選舉選輸後來開始臨時大轉彎。那我要跟主委報告當時選舉完的時候選舉的結果 |
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當時2018年的時候10個公投案基本上我們的投票的投票率都是大概55%左右投票人數大概將近1000萬人以上所以我認為這樣的投票是可以參考的可是我們看到在2019年修法過了以後我們合適來租公投榜大選還有藻礁公投 |
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雖然都不通過可是當然大家很多人說因為沒有通過所以這個公投黨大選不能來看可是要跟主委報告的是公投黨大選不同意的比例只有400多萬人其實兩個選舉的投票數將近差了300多萬人主委你認為這樣子的投票數跟投票率可以代表全民的心聲嗎?如果增加300多萬人的投票數投票的結果會不會有可能改變?就中選會的職責來講投票率這麼低 |
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數比過去的投票率少了10%。」這是中選會想要看到的結果嗎? |
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我想不管是投票率不管是通過與否的這個門檻呢都是公投法所明定的那在這個明定的法制底下所產生的結果我們中選會是予以尊重也希望全民大家共同遵守所以要跟主委報告投票人數降低這麼多投票率下降這麼多可是我們看到在111年當時18歲公民投票的時候那時候中選會又轉彎了為什麼突然又綁大選呢 |
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所以那時候的投票率高達百分之將近百分之六十所以本市要希望中選會的主委不能做民進黨的打手不能幫民進黨護航有時候要綁大選就綁大選不綁大選就不綁大選我們只為法律來服務至於這個18歲公民權的部分那是根據憲法的規定 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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主委剛剛我們剛開始有一個提案委員羅智強委員一開始也提案提到其實時空會轉換民意大家民意會民意如潮水大家會不同的時間會改變所以剛剛羅智強委員說我們最近新的民調有66%的民眾其實現在是支持公投黨大選所以那我要再跟主委請教一下針對當時這個造成的亂象了以後其實監察監察院有提出這個監察委員有提出的建議案 |
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其實剛剛主委特別提到當時選舉十個公投案造成的亂象有關於選舉動線混亂、投拍票所、投票數不夠多以及選務人員人數不足請問這個主委你現在有沒有辦法有信心 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具 |
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謝謝委員對選務的關心第一點我要說明的是2021年的公投綁大選的公投案沒有通過這是一個不爭的事實主委我剛剛跟你報告他的門檻沒有到門檻有沒有到門檻主委這是一個不爭的事實主委有沒有到門檻就是沒有通過沒有到門檻也沒到通過的門檻不通過的門檻嘛沒有沒有對啊所以代表投票數不夠多嘛 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具 |
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同時降低每個投開票所的投票人的人數有效的來降低。另外就是說在管理的部分這個投票的動線我們的選務工作人員是主動的來協助我們每一個選民能夠順利的快速的完成他的投票的整個過程。那大議員有沒有比較好?謝謝大院的支持大議員有調整有調整所以主委能不能保證 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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如果被綁在一起我就不敢保證了還是不能保證?綁在一起我就不敢保證了所以主委你要好好再去檢討我們現在發生討論會請教你就是這些問題如果不綁在一起我們不要說保證了我們從2020開始到2024大大小小的選舉已經有多少我現在要求你就是說不管有沒有綁在一起其實台灣你要好好來安排動線好好提升我們選務人員的數量跟他們的待遇這樣我相信就不會 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。八、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。九、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法 |
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根本就有一些台灣已經變鳥籠公投根本不能不能公投根本沒辦法實現啊為什麼我想請教現在有沒有人在使用你這個公投這個電子連署系統目前的案子都還沒有走到連署的這個階段都還沒有進到連署的階段如果到的話就可以使用這是因為現在整個連署大家認為門檻很高而且很難成案就算成案投票數也不會通過所以本局是可以請教你沒有具體的事證啊 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具 |
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這個我覺得才能讓投票計票的速度增加加快你有沒有在研究這一塊?委員可能也注意到最近美國在總統大選有些州他們的這個開票他們的這個計票開票時間都拖了很長他們說台灣有夠厲害好過境後又充滿了這個公信大家信任所以我們目前的這個開票計票的這個方式是很多國家很有興趣的 |
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三、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具 |
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最後一點時間我要跟主委報告主委你非常資深不管從蔡英文政府到愛心德政府你都擔任中選會主委因為現在大家都知道現在最近全民最關注的就是這個大法官的實質廢死案那全民大概大家很多人都對於這個大法官的視線非常不能認同所以我們當然國民黨團是希望說這個不論是用全民自主用公投案的力量或是 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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公投綁大選如果沒有配套的分流措施的話,它一定會造成災難。主委,這個分流的措施,你是主委啊,你要來處理啊,好不好?你是行政單位啊,你一定要來處理啊。好,謝謝。好,謝謝委員。好,謝謝張志榮委員。我們接下來請麥玉珍委員。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。 |
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主委好選務問題本來就是我們民眾可以批評的事情可見就是我們監督公共議題中選會卻在2024年總統選舉的時候就是針對就是批評選務人員21名的提告 |
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最後還是全部不起訴。請問主委對於全部不起訴的結果是什麼看法? |
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第一點當然對於法院司法機關的一個裁決我們是予以尊重但是對於這個個案做如此的一個決定我們也覺得非常的遺憾那我們最重要的一個遺憾點在什麼地方就是說每一個國民對於關係到國家社會重大法議的這種議題的時候應該要負更多的責任 |
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也就是說像選舉如此重大的一個民主的活動他牽涉到的是國家整個的根基你要對他批評不是說不行是可以的但是你要負比較高的責任要去做調查要去做了解然後去做適當的一個評論這樣才是公道的才是符合文明社會應該要有的態度 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。八、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。 |
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委員說我們是以官押民,這對我們來講實在是太沉重了。我們之所以採取司法的途徑,最主要就是要維護選舉機關的公正性,因為它是牽涉到國家社會重大的法益。 |
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19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。 |
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我們不會貿然提告,在提告之前其實關於選舉的各種對我們的指教也好、猜疑也好,我們透過很多方式來做說明、來做澄清、來做呼籲。但是有些人還是沒有聽清楚。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。八、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案的票要亮起來來去點名。但是我請教你一下,一個案不用亮嗎?還是全部放在一張才要亮呢?一樣要亮起來讓民眾看到啊,一張還是亮,全部一起還是亮啊。這個部分我們覺得是說,我們要審視審人的做事情,才會不會影響到,不管是人還是事,誰決定? |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。 |
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在澳洲有一公開票是一張一張的但是呢現在目前我們是要讓年輕人要出來投票但是歷年呢我們越來越低 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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選務的選導我們會繼續努力努力要有方向要有目標不是每次在質詢都是努力努力要有結果有在做有在做每次選舉我們都有做選務的選導再來就是說我們在電子連署已經拖到現在幾年了 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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不管是電子投票或其他方式的不在籍投票其實大院討論了很多也歷經很久的時間大家還有待進一步的凝聚共識這不只是我們選務機關說要不要的問題牽涉到各政黨各政治人物他們的考量的問題至少有一個共識至少有一個共識到最後是選務人員的心聲 |
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所以我們希望我們民眾的聲音要讓你聽一聽說我們民眾要便利還有現在的我們的AI或者是我們的半導體我們現在的時代對這個也要讓總選國說明一下這不只是我們選務機關的問題也同時是政黨的問題是政治人物的問題是社會大眾的問題 |
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但是你反應的問題就是你們選務的工作的努力還有你們的需求但是我們講的是民眾的需求希望我們的選務人員我們你這邊要如何去改善也減少了選務人員的壓力還有他的工作 |
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我們公投法的不在籍投票法已經送到大院來了我們希望這個不在籍投票法能夠儘速的來進行審議的程序 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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我們第一步先跨出去,請委員能夠多多支持,謝謝。好,謝謝。我們現在休息五分鐘。 |
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我們繼續開會接下來請張宏祿委員張昭偉我請李主委請李主委 |
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來,諸位,其實中選會應該是獨立機關吧?是的那我們中選會我們當然有選務跟選政兩方面吧?對不對? |
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選政的部分是由內政部來主管是啦是內政部主導但選政可能也是我們中選會也是多多少少要考量吧沒有問題我們跟內政部配合的很好對嘛所以我在這邊就是說這個中選會是獨立的機構不管啦這個分老或什麼其實中選會最重要的工作 |
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就是把選舉辦好沒有瑕疵公平的一個選舉而已吧我相信這個主委你也是當過縣市的選委會的主委你也是有第一線的辦選舉的經驗所以我在這邊我先請教一個問題就是說如果公投這個把所有的案子 |
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印在一張,你覺得好投嗎?這個從幾個面向來檢討。第一個就是說,我們選民的投票的習慣,過去幾十年來,大家就這樣,一張一案、一張一案,那你強強要把它蓋,蓋這十幾個案子在一張選票上面,的確在適應上可能會有問題,這是第一個。 |
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二、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。 |
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一張一張清楚明瞭,不會有發生混淆的狀況。如果是一整排十幾個案子,你現在到底在檢討一個案,沒人知道會死到什麼時候。所以這樣就引起投票開票過程的一個紛爭。再一個可能發生的現象, |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。 |
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但是在人工開票的情況之下像澳洲他就是一個案子一張票清楚明瞭那也沒有發生說什麼這個這個這個速度要拖很久這樣子的問題所以我們還是希望大院能夠支持現有的辦法 |
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我再請教主委就以你舉美國的例子像美國的公民投票美國人家是可以預先投票的預先投票他有去投票票所嗎所以這個就是所謂分流的方式之一不是我先請教主委我預先投票的人他需要去投票所領票在投票所當場去投票嗎 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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所以在這個相關分流的配套裡面有一個辦法就是限制公投票的案數了成案數那這一點也是應該要予以重視這個是另外一個議題我們先講技術性我們的技術性我們明明就可以看得出來有這麼大的問題這個是給第一線在投開票所的同仁 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。八、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。九、審查委員羅智強等 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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對,就是說有一些這個選務上可能的疏漏的地方其實最重要的就是說我們都能夠當場有一個double check能夠發現及時發現及時更正那如果說這個更正的效率沒有提的很高的話就會耽誤到我們整個選舉的時程 |
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選票物質開票的物質的情況會發生但你同樣的你不管你是你如果公投跟大選在一起我跟你講選務人員的壓力更大對不對那他如何去精確的計票我覺得是一個很大的問題而且現場有任何一個民眾你要公開那種票他如果提出異議提出有問題我們要把處理 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。 |
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所以我覺得有幾個像這一些問題的話主委你們應該把它整理出來我們在討論法條的時候其實你要讓所有的參與討論的委員知道有哪些不是說我們不要去做是有哪些目前實際上的狀況其實是很難處理的這個我覺得你要讓所有委員知道我們會加強說明謝謝委員 |
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接下來請王美惠委員主席,我們這裡主委好,請你主委主委,你好 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。八、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條 |
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三、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。八、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。九、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。八、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。九、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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三、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員 |
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好謝謝接下來請李博毅委員請李主委請李主委 |
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尤其2018年以後越來越難找。從過去資格限制一直放寬然後到後來我們相關的這個包含這個車馬費會加會加一些車馬費等等的為什麼原本很多包含公務人員包含 |
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教職人員他們會來參加越來越不參加的原因當然我們我覺得建議中選會也應該要把他歸納出來那所以我要一樣我超商要並聘請店員我要聘請臨時工那你給我的order原本原本是這樣子這樣的薪水你現在要多做這麼多事情再加上社會責任的話我是找不到人的 |
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這個就是我又要你又要馬兒好又要馬兒不吃草然後我又要你加很多這個業務在你身上又要加很多責任在你身上這個其實就是我們今天也在討論的到底這個選票上面一次要印多個問題之後 |
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這個唱票人員的壓力拿出來是有多大?跟一張一張選票一張一張公投的題目內容都是相關的。主委,你是不是要表達這個?是的,我們每次的選舉都會去讀到工作人員請不上的困難,都是必須要一直盯,盯到最後地方政府出面,協助我們才勉強可以應付過去。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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主委先問一些比較實際的問題相關的選務人員場地要增加多少你有沒有評估過如果要綁在一起大家馬上想到的就是2018噩夢重演很多人不敢來擔任我們的選務工作人員所以這是一個問題量大人遭不到那絕對是一場大災難 |
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對阿其他在野黨的委員說阿你人數要增加阿你可能場地要增加阿你中選要增加問題是你找不到人找不到人場地也不好找我們場地在2018到2024年全國增加差不多2000個投開票所 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等21人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等21人擬具 |
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跟大選脫鉤,這個效力目前是兩年,那今天有委員提出來說要四年,我覺得這大家可以探討啦,不是說當初的過去那2021年,什麼只有多少人出來投票,我相信台灣對於這一些民主的過程跟結果接受度也都是蠻高的。我是覺得2021年的這個公投大選的公投案沒有通過,這個就是代表一個謎語, |
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這幾年以來,客觀的環境、客觀的條件並沒有什麼重大的變革。所以說當前期的這個決定,我相信它存在的理由還是持續的。我相信更大的理由是人民已經習慣認為我這一張投票投下去就是四年。 |
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三、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「 |
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同時我也會放信用卡。為什麼我今天要拿出來?吳秉瑞委員的公投法第21條的提案,他雖然他已經測案,但是我還來說明一下,為什麼他的公投法裡面說明公投連署需要看身份,需要身份證的發證日,身份證我們會被直接寫。 |
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我們要看發證日我們一定是會拿出來大部分的人都一樣會拿出來看一下我的發證日是106年7月3號我填下來我填一次我不會背起來我們現在在線上刷卡也會遇到一個問題我們的手機都已經把我們信用卡都記好了但是很煩啊 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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不是要你引印信用卡給他你會怕信用卡給他會有問題但是這個程序只是加嚴你當初你要刷這一筆費用的這個謹慎度也就跟吳秉瑞委員的提案一樣 |
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要你把身份證拿出來看一下填寫避免死亡連署避免大量的拿黨工的拿黨工或拿什麼黨員的名冊來亂抄抄到一些死亡連署書來所以我想用這個例子來跟選委會也跟國人說明是不一樣的東西 |
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身份證引印連署以及看一下身份證的發證日期就跟你信用卡一樣只是比較嚴謹避免這些死亡連署不要把它混為一談在這邊也幫吳秉瑞委員做提案的原意雖然他已經撤案了我還是在這邊說明主委謝謝你今天的辛苦提醒主委 |
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未來選務人員的這些招募所遇到的這些問題所真的如果萬一有公投綁大選的話大概需要增加多少人力大概需要增加多少場地臺灣有沒有辦法這樣負荷這個請中選會都要提出我們誠懇的呼籲千萬不要再走回頭路了謝謝好 |
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接下來請黃婕委員。 |
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首先我還是要強調一下因為公投法是直接民權還權於民的一個很重要的根據所以我相信在場沒有一個委員是不支持公投法的施行那大家希望的是公投法既然要修就是越修越好絕對不能走回頭路把它修惡我相信這是一個很基本的立場 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。七、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具公民 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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如果我剛剛沒有聽錯的話賴士葆委員有講這個所謂的辭職是不包括總統副總統這個我剛剛好像有聽到這樣子那即使是一般行政機關的首長的話所謂的辭職這是一個政治的責任 |
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政治責任應該政治去解決而不宜在法律裡面去做規定因為你在法律裡面做規定的話也無從執行這一點也請大便的委員能夠審慎的來加以討論 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等21人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等21人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等21人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等21人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等21人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法》案。五、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法》案。六、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法》案。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案。三、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。四、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。三、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。四、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。六、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正 |
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那我不知道主委你有沒有看過我們在2018那一次到底有沒有比較省錢因為就那一份報告裡面其實有寫到2018年如果我們十案的公投分開花17億結果2018年公投綁大水花多少錢你知道嗎主委你知道嗎 |
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十七億,也就是說公投綁大選並沒有比較省錢。所以這是一個迷思並不在這個他們以為的優點裡面。再來公投綁大選有比較省時間嗎?大家還記得2018年那時候大家排隊排到幾點嗎?半夜三點半。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員 |
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三億多的美金說我們要來解決大排長龍的問題可是直到現在美國選務上還是面臨大排長龍的問題所以這個都是世界各國正要面對的結果我們還徒增自己的麻煩要讓這個大排長龍的問題持續下去 |
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所以我認為這是一個非常需要借鏡的甚至在世界各國還有因此而邊投票邊開票的問題產生這個也是18年我們要檢討包括其實世界各國上美國德國加拿大一樣都是有遇到邊投票跟邊開票的問題澳洲也是那甚至我舉一個非常非常難過的例子在2019年的印尼 |
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他們當時也是因為他們有一個憲法法庭強制要總統綁國會共同來選舉結果造成什麼?他們有300多個選務人員因此過勞死這是一個非常極端但是我們必須要引以為戒的例子我們真的不需要說因為硬是要公投綁大選造成選務人員過多的負擔我相信所有家裡身邊有人當過選務人員都知道當天有多辛苦 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具 |
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公投的議題的重要性遠大於就是是不是有綁在一起。我舉個例子他們有一個要不要加入歐盟的投票率是78%他們要不要加入聯合國的投票率這些都是公投案58%但是他們平常選舉的投票率平均大概只有45% |
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也就是說單獨一個公投案的投票率可能遠高於選舉的投票率這個是在分開的情況下所以有說一定要公投綁大選才能提高投票率嗎我相信並不是如此那這個都是在世界各國看到的例子所以我認為啦就2018年的經驗 |
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顯然公投綁大選只會製造更多的缺點更多的問題缺點更多了但是我們以為的優點並沒有增加所以我希望在這邊表達我的立場那是不是最後也請我們主委來表達一下到底對於公投綁大選你們選務改革上能做到多少然後有什麼樣的看法 |
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| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具 |
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遠遠超過我們選務機關所能夠承載的量所以選務的分流變成是選務改革裡面非常重要的點改革的分流最重要的一個做法就是2019年公投法的修正把選舉跟公投徹底的脫鉤了 |
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另外在我們選務的部門的改革從這個選務硬體的設施的改進到軟體管理的這個維護都有了很長足的一個進步所以從2020、2021、2022到2024歷次的選舉以及公投都進行相當的順利所以這個改革的方向是已經看到他的成果了我們認為千萬不要再走回頭路 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員徐毓珍委員 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員 |
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主委好主委好主委我想剛剛很多委員都在請教您就是有關公投法到底要不要綁大選而引起的一些優缺點當然現在講到公投法早上羅智強委員也特別提到最新的一份民調有66.6%的人就將近三分之二 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。 |
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剛剛委員提到幾個問題我大概簡單的再跟委員做個說明第一個其實非常重要的委員提到了公投綁大選比較能夠充分的表現民意這一點非常重要怎麼樣選制的安排才能夠讓我們的選民能夠充分的表達他的 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。七、審查委員羅智強等 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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全世界我沒有看到哪一個國家公投綁大選而對於量沒有做分流的配套沒有看到任何一個國家我說要做分流的配套沒有說不要所以剛剛有跟主委建議既然可以事前規劃的我們就做好這樣子 |
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另外我再跟主委說明一下因為其實剛剛也特別提到說要充分展現民意就是讓他們可以把真正的表達民意就是讓他們可以來投票可是我給您看一個數據就是說我們花蓮、台東跟離島的居民因為他們這個要長途跋涉才能到達這個投開票所所以我們可以看到2018年的十項公投跟2021年的四大公投你看一下這個地區的投票率是多少 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具 |
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都是只有2018的一半左右而已。尤其你看像不管是臺東、花蓮、澎湖、金門、連江這個就可以看得出來就是說我們在花東還有離島還有一些原住民的一些不管是這個學生勞工他們在如果在北部工作或在北部就學他們要耗費更多的時間跟更多的車費才能夠返鄉投票。投票率的高低跟議題的設定是有密切的關係 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。七、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。八、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。九、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。 |
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對於可能發生的問題,我們事先還是必須要做防範。接下來請黃建斌委員 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。 |
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希望更加落實公投精神,保障中華民國、國民實現憲法保障、創製、複決的權益。今天國民黨委員提出公投法的學法有三個原因。第一、減少勞民傷財。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具 |
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全屋成本大概花5億,每增加一個案子又要增加1億。如果比較我們2018年10個公投案跟2021年4個公投案的花費,我們2018年那個花費比2021年的省了1.54億,就是說有併公投跟沒有併公投差了1.54億,因此公投併大選絕對是可以節省我們政府的支付,數據上來看是可以減少我們的基準,也可以省我們人民的這大數的錢, |
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第二、提升投票率,促進公民參與。公民投票的意思就是希望讓全中華民國公民有權利可以直接對重大的議題和政策來表達意見,讓執政者能夠謙虛地聆聽人民的聲音。 |
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因此讓更多人願意來參與公投,彰顯我們公投的精神,這是公民投票最主要的意義。從歷年來的公投投票來看,從2004年到現在的5次,投票率是以2018年公投並大選那次最高55%。 |
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但民進黨修法之後公投跟大選脫鉤之後2021年的公投只剩下41%甚至許多縣市都創下新低這代表民進黨當年修法的結果是降低以結果來看是降低公民參與當然要很多的因素在我想這樣子讓公投沒有辦法彰顯公民意志的公投 |
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就連我們之前民進黨的前副總統李萱女士也提過如果公投不能跟總統一起來舉行那就不可能有這麼多人願意去投票我希望民進黨未來不要打著民主背叛民主 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員吳秉叡等21人擬具 |
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公投是必須要落實民意跟政治責任。」我想這今天也很多談到這一塊就是說公投結果是我們政府整個施政方針的民意的展現嘛這不好了我們就要改我想這才是落實民意跟政治責任但我們現在的公投法對於實現公投內容的處置並不完善 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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我想另外除了今天針對的這個公務法修法以外,我們現在還要在這裡提案發動的鄉親,來讓主委表達我們的心聲。剛剛徐理政委員提到那個數據,我們中選會的資料裡面,在2024年的總統大選裡面,投票率最低的前三名的縣市都在離島,就是金門、澎湖跟馬祖。那本島最低的地方就在台東縣。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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為什麼會這樣子是因為其實我們真的希望能夠做到票票等值這句話在投票結果絕對沒有錯可是因為不同縣市不同環境的選民來說每一次的投票所要負擔的成本都不一樣所以這邊我也要呼籲減少成本促進投票才能夠守護我們人民每一張勝勝的選票在這邊也要呼籲我們的 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具 |
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第二、投票率問題公投的投票率最主要影響因素公投議題設定 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文 |
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但是我更要舉出一個例子就是我們根據公民投票法在2021年公投綁大選的公民投票結果是無過這個無過是一個不爭的事實是一個不爭的事實那這個問題也值得大家來作為一個參考所以我們還是要回到那個時間的關係不要用在其他地方就是說針對我們的在一起投票這件事主委你的立場 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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這個公民投票的不在籍投票法希望能夠盡快的通過。好,謝謝主委先打訊息。好,謝謝黃建斌委員。 |
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接下來我們請許昭緯質詢。好,謝謝主席,有請李主委。我們請李主委。 |
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本席聽到你回答很多委員的這個內容那有幾點我一定要在這邊提出來您在報告裡面還有答詢的時候一直強調這個公投榜大選會有人與事的混淆你還特別講了對模糊焦點 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。 |
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選民他就是投票不管投人投事你只要清楚明瞭他也清楚知道那讓他來選擇就對了這第一個第二個剛剛你也有答詢的時候有提到 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。六、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。六、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。六、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具《公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案》案。八、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案》案。 |
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對他來說他的成本也低,包含時間成本。再來包含你大家一直提到2018年那一次的選舉就是個大災難。這個大災難其實很多民眾當年很多民眾也都反映 |
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他大概對一個投票你要他花20分鐘30分鐘對他來說就很多了你要他排一個半小時甚至兩小時兩個半小時他根本沒辦法所以2018年的這個選舉是因為選務沒有做好 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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全民參與度高的核心價值丟掉了。你過去只要脫鉤,他的投票率都不到50%都沒有過半。你又要講議題,沒有,沒有議題的設定。你公投綁大選不管什麼議題, |
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全民參與度高。民眾希望便利。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具 |
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那就是中選會的選務沒有做好我們要中選會做什麼你看喔本席本來覺得選務選政要合一你們覺得沒關係跟內政部溝通良好選務選政分開那選務就是你中選會最大最大的這個工作目標你的工作目標就是要把整個選務做好那過去的災難你就要想辦法避免2018以前有十個公投案合併選舉舉行沒有發生選務的問題 |
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只有2018發生沒有所以現在我們就是公投綁大選的這種情況他也是可以避免這種龐大或是投票要排很久的情況問題就出在你可以事先找好多一些的投開票地點 |
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還有選務人員你選務人員你也可以安排那開票的時候這個開票的這個次序把它安排好這個最重要就是大家都覺得從這個方向那你們這一個點你就是不不願意從這個角度來思考有錯所以從2020、2022、2024都辦得很好 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具 |
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全國三十幾萬選務人員共同心聲,他們碰到的困難,我有責任要講出來。」 |
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對這也是本席接下來問你的你剛剛本席聽到你說哇你代表全國選務人員所以全國選務人員都跟你反映嗎有有我們開過集市檢討會那就是2018年因為規劃不周所以2018年中選會就被監察院糾正了嘛所以你們的錯誤造成選務人員的這個 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員 |
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現在這個如果我們委員會大家多數決通過或者是我們立法院多數決通過我們要請主委你還是要帶領整個中選會天下無難事只怕有心人我就怕民視有心人所以天下無難事下一句話你從小到大你知道的是什麼 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。 |
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我們明知的問題他也看得出解決方案但是不做就是不做所以天下無難事只要肯放棄我們不希望這個是我們行政官員從2020、2021、2022、2024不斷的改進而且效果非常的良好舉世都給我們肯定 |
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但是都沒有超過50%全民的參與度,所以現在你們又要淹割民眾公投的權利嗎?滿意度達到85%了你那個滿意度85%是你自己說的我們每一次選後都會做民調 |
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但是你現在民眾參與度不到50%你沒有得到過半民眾出來表達這個是很重要的問題你核心的價值不要丟掉你自己說的核心價值就是要越多人參與而且 |
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本席覺得過50%還不夠,到60%。」本席覺得過50%還不夠,到60%。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。 |
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二、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等21人擬具 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。八、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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投票人員人數,我們加強選務投票動線的一個管理跟規劃。所以有好過沒,好過很顯著。經過2020年總統立委選舉,2021四大公投,2022就是地方選舉,2024再一次的總統立委的選舉,我們的選務都相當的順利,得到舉世大家的肯定了。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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不在籍投票在選舉的部分的確是牽涉到非常複雜的因素所以我們是希望能夠逐步的來推動就是對書的公道優先於對人的選舉那就這個不在籍投票諸多的方式裡面我們又是從移轉投票來先開始 |
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所以公民投票法的公民投票的這個不在籍投票他的移轉投票啊這個辦法已經這個草案已經提到貴大院了我們希望這個這個法律案能夠盡快的來通過 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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接下來請劉許庭委員謝謝主席李主委有請我們等一下投影片請李主委主委你剛剛講天下無難事比登天還難這是你自己發明的金句 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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今天任何事情公投決定之後執行的人就是政治人物嗎?那這件事情同一時間討論怎麼會不行呢? |
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透過公投綁大選讓事情跟人一起投票一起決定不只是這件事情會因為變成選舉的議題主軸大家要把話講清楚他反而會產生更強的拘束力我舉一個例子2018年大部分人討論的是同婚公投討論的是以和養綠可是中間有非常重要的公投叫反空污公投 |
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反空公投高票通過,給了當初同時選舉的台中市長盧秀燕絕對的勇氣,所以她到現在為止都非常非常堅持這個中火的退場。這就是事情跟人一起投票的好處,不只是在一件事情的態度上民意做得清楚的指示,同時透過選舉的時候給所有政治人物很強的拘束力,這才叫民主不是嗎? |
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我們是希望在選舉的時候,投票的時候,選民對於他要投票的事項,他的選擇的對象,都有很清楚的認知。如果人跟事同時來做決定的話,會失焦。這跟選舉有沒有合併沒有關係。反空公投大家做了明確的表示,後來你獨立舉行,大家也做了明確的表示。所以你這個邏輯是不通的。人跟事同時討論,跟議題有沒有釐清。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。 |
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所以我這第一個觀念錯誤我是希望總統會主委三思而後行當然是合併舉行他的效力比較強嘛不只是事情有明確的結果對於這些操作的政治人員因為同時的選舉他有更強的拘束力所以這從民主的意義來講選舉那種非常複雜的攻防我想議員委員都應該都是親身體會的 |
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就是因為攻防很複雜才要把話講清楚我告訴你現在的狀況這幾屆的選舉投票率四大公投的投票率很低是因為很多人在宣傳公投無用論啊過不了啦單獨舉行投票率很低啦只有無形間讓很多政治人物可以有機會鑽漏洞啊該表態的題目我不表態啊反正它是獨立選舉大家要投埋在土裡過一下就算了我們不希望這樣的事發生啊既然要有重大議題要公投就跟選舉一起通通表態這才是民主吧 |
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主委這是我講的是民主的精神我們公投的結果有沒有辦法會順利的執行很多時候加上選舉的掛鉤它的強度才會高民意的執行才會落實這第一個第二個你剛剛談選務我們就好好來談一談選務這個在2018年的投票亂象之後中選會你剛剛也講很多嘛對不對你做了很多的調整包含檢討會議包含 |
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條整每一投票數的選舉人數,也就是所謂的偵測投票所,對不對?你還改善了流程,還加強了教育訓練,這些事你都有做,對不對?是。你也講成效斐然,對不對?舉世讚美,對不對?沒有錯。沒有錯,對不對?好啊,在這六項啊,當初啊,2018年之後行政院的裁示裡面,它是有強度的分別的。前五項叫技術問題,第六項叫不得已而為之啊。 |
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如果我的技術問題沒有辦法克服的時候我才來去思考說我要不要用脫鉤的方式來做分流可是你到最後值錢的結果是什麼你吃自助餐啦前面宣示說你都做得很好然後我還是要脫鉤那不是很奇怪嗎你如果前五項都做得很好我們願意給中學會肯定但既然前五項做得很好誰跟你講不能綁大選搞不好再綁一次大選也不會排隊不是嗎要不然我們怎麼檢證說這事有沒有成效對不對 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員 |
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2018是十案的公投,難保哪一次的這個公投如果合併的話,它會更增加你不能用一個難保或一個極端的狀況就否定這件事嗎?這些事情難道不能用技術的方式來解決嗎?可以 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。 |
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所以你不要自己選擇性的在處理這件事情天下無難事後面是只怕有心人不是比登天還難何況你這些都做了以前在修正這些之前投票率只要超過七成基本上投票所都會出現若干的排隊人潮但主委2020的投票率空前的高2024的投票率其實也不低對不對有沒有排隊其實沒有所以表示你前五項的工作已經發揮了分流的功能那誰跟你講不能綁大選 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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其實根據這個東西我們做過委託過這個民間來做深入的一個研究那這個問題是絕對無法避免就是說這個選務的量達到一定的程度是已經超過我們選務機關所能夠承載那這個問題要去面對你每次都找一小撮人然後就說我們經過了審慎的研究他都不行沒有一小撮福利黨那請問你要用什麼樣的心態來面對六成六的民意調查認為他應該公投黨大選 |
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請問你要用什麼心態來面對我個人我們是民意代表我當然覺得民意比較大我們也不能無視於2021年公投綁大選被否決這個不爭的事你講得真好我真的想跟你講這件事情你們民進黨最喜歡吃自助餐來公投的效率是幾年 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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我還有一個補充說明就是說2021年這個選舉這個投票的結果出來之後到現在客觀的環境條件並沒有什麼大幅度的一個改變你講這話我是聽不太懂你想要表達什麼我們知道的事情是當初2021年在發動選舉的時候一大堆的耳語就說公投沒有用啊門檻很高他也不執行啊我告訴你當我們的政治淪落成這樣的時候 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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這個今天你講的實務上的問題是技術可以克服的時候你就用技術去克服嘛你要增加再增加人力再增加設備或者是開票分流都可以討論但你沒有窮盡這些做法之前你不要講說要脫鉤嘛沒有道理的事情啦好不好反正待會到時候法條還會再審查啦希望主委到時候做好準備不要再拿這些洗地的言論來回應了謝謝好謝謝梁徐廷委員我們接下來請羅智強委員 |
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有請主委請禮主委主委你剛剛在詢問說公投不能併大選其中原因之一是四個人不可以混在一起投 |
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四、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。 |
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選台北市長選台中市長選桃園市長選的是市還是人選舉的這個工房選的是市還是人選的是市還是人有些問題有些問題簡單到你不敢回答叫心虛選的叫人我現在想請問你下一個問題當初提出18歲公民修憲要求併大選的就是民進黨吧 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具 |
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今天到了2022年民進黨又突然復活了哎呀修憲公投這是事因為為了提高投票率然後我要跟所謂的地方選舉綁在一起又可以了今天可以明天不可以今天不可以明天可以就是你今天 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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你怪罪我們在2018沒有做好規劃、沒有做好因應,我都承認。事後我們有深入的檢討,包括大院同意的條例修正法,其中一項是檢討之後所提出的具體文有章的承認。 |
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這是賴清德總統賞你的耳光嗎?你能不承認嗎?這句話不是羅智強講的。中選會事前未能規劃周延,事後未能有效因應並排除,造成國人不便。陳英成主委已經請辭負責,中選會請你記取教訓,聽取社會各界意見,此次選務工作執行修法法規面徹底檢討, |
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競速修法中選會研擬未來公投產電子投票並非網路投票的可能性也請中選會、國發會、相關部會一起來協助。我跟你講我最佩服的中選會是什麼?我們賴清德就跟你講你事前規劃不好 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具 |
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總統大選也很辛苦啦,辦總統大選也非常辛苦啊。早上投票到下午欸,開票開到晚上欸,很辛苦啊。這麼辛苦的事情,這樣我可以建議啦,總統大選廢掉,或者40年辦一次,讓賴清德一直當下去好不好啊。要不要給我掌聲鼓勵一下,我擁戴賴清德大總統當40年總統,因為辦選舉太麻煩了啦。 |
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中選會事前未能規劃周延 |
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事證未能有效因應加以排除。這是賴清德總統賞給你李敬勇的耳光你承認也沒有用結果你的臉不痛你臉不痛啊你臉痛不痛 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。八、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。 |
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二十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。八、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。 |
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公投沒有通過就是因為有一個門檻叫25%門檻,沒錯吧?同樣選舉齁,沒有選上就怪選票低。欸,主委我問你是非問題齁,你到現在為止你就跟我東扯西扯。法律規定說有15%門檻嘛,是不是嘛?不是你告訴我啊?是是。謝不謝你啊?是的是的。好,那我想請教,因為他是沒有達到25%門檻,這就是民進黨修惡公投法帶來的結果。 |
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這個惡果啊導致2023年公投年你這個惡果導致什麼第一個投票率下降所以沒有一個公投投票來來來我問題問完你不要在我在講話在問問題的時候插嘴好不好我先把我的問題問完你聽完再回答我告訴你啊這就是 |
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民進黨修了公投法導致今天在2021年的公投投票率下降沒有辦法達到25%的門檻不要忘了當年民進黨主張公投併大選是因為認為說公投大選拆開之後投票率過低就沒有公投會過了而後面導致更嚴重的後果因為大家知道投票率會太低公投不會過請問你2023年剩下多少件公投提案通過 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正 |
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今天提案人就是預言到偉大的李靖勇在這邊會把責任推給提案人然後接下來呢接下來發現提案也不會過就沒有人提案了這就是民進黨的陽謀民進黨就用這種方式把公投閹割掉我告訴你 基友你的邏輯很簡單啦我直接講給你聽啦 你的邏輯很簡單啦你邏輯什麼今天齁 |
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| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具 |
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13749.239 |
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13777.238 |
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當你公投大選把公投砍掉一隻腳你回頭跟我講說你看嘛2021年沒過嘛他是腳被砍斷才站不起來的當在2018年跟以前的公投如果兩隻腳是都還在的時候他是站得起來的你不要再插我的話謝謝你齁感謝啦拜託你我知道你官威很大啦你了不起啦我不敢不敢欸沒有你敢得很我來接受質詢你敢得很第二個 |
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13779.848 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
你又推給民進黨立委啊?你又推給民進黨立委啊?立法院誰多數?立法院誰多數?立法院誰多數?我不管誰通過。你不管誰通過誰多數對不對?立法院通過。真言說笑話的能力李金勇你第一名立法院民進黨多數暴力通過幹掉蔡同榮一輩子的理想今天你站在這邊我告訴你我會佩服你我佩服你啊我按照立法院通過的法律來支持你你今天你對得起蔡同榮我佩服你 |
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| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
二、審查委員吳秉叡等21人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員吳秉叡等21人擬具 |
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13878.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
主管機關公告公民投票之結果期兩年內不得就同一事項重新提出。到現在過三年了我先不講第一個我不知道你是到底是法盲還是數學盲我先講法盲公投不通過當時的設計是認為他沒有到一個程度所以他的法律效果是不能就同一事項重提公投沒錯吧 |
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13881.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
13897.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
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13938.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
明明寫三年你現在跟我講不可什麼意思明明寫兩年現在已經三年多了我跟你說不可啊我跟你溝通好累喔你把你前面的東西全部否定掉我這後面我到底要怎麼我到底哪一個相信李慶勇啊人跟事你現在也跟我翻來來沒關係來我要跟主委說啊現在你們接民進黨真的是我也是佩服 |
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| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
13966.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
公投併大選,你也是民進黨議員曾經是啦,也是民進黨重要的大佬,對不對,沒錯吧?沒有那麼老,沒有那麼老。謝謝,對,你很年輕啦,希望年輕有智慧。我要跟你說一句話,今天公投併大選,最早提出來是哪個政黨,你怎麼會不知道吧? |
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| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
我站在這個位置上我是超出黨派以外這個位置上就是一個可以把自己過去記憶全部斷光的委員難道不希望你是一個獨立超出黨派以外嗎我要跟你講的是你過去不是你就算是今天獨立超出黨派 |
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13995.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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14039.696 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
人跟事絕對不能混淆,你們這些人在亂,就你們這些人在亂,人跟事怎麼可以混淆?但我在2020,我大民進黨說人跟事可以混在一起,就可以混在一起啊。然後呢,公投並大選,公投並大選是不能到洪水猛瘦的啊,一定要支持的啊,陳其邁名言啊。結果民進黨2018輸了,公投就跟大選拆開來了。 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
14041.505 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
三、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
14075.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
把公投的一隻腳砍斷公投倒了2021年因為投票率過低沒有一樣公投過得了今天就有一個民進黨的官員在跟你講說哈哈哈哈跟你講嘛腳斷一隻站不起來你看嘛躺在那個地方躺不起來變成說今天拿這個藉口來跟我講說我們不可以再把公投併回大選更重要是什麼很抱歉啦人民沒有站在你們這一邊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
14107.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
今天昨天新國會智庫委託趨勢民調公司做出來的民調非常清楚66%的選民是主張公投並大選我想主委對你很好因為我們那個新國會還做了一個民調喔因為你一直講說是公投並大選造成選務的問題嘛所以就兩個選項開放讓民眾回答到底是中選會賴清德講的今天中選會做不好還是說今天是一個公投並大選 |
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| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。七、審查委員羅智強等 |
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| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
14141.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
14164.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
14190.181 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
這就是今天的民進黨!謝謝!最近有一個討論民調的討論好像在講這個這次總統大選候選人的排名的問題那結果呢很多人在回頭一看當初的這個民調可能並不是那麼正確我想民調我們做參考但是民調不是唯一的標準 |
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| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
14196.183 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
14218.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
中午不休息,我們繼續開會。」 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
14248.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
14249.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
14259.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
14277.706 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬 |
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14287.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
14295.688 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
恢復以前我們貴黨的貴黨說的要完全移民,請問這個主秘有什麼看法? |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
14296.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
14314.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
根委員報告那在今天我們的這個審查的報告裡面有提到那中選會是認為公投是對市的投票那選舉是對人的投票那基於避免民眾的這個混淆我們還是認為公投跟選舉應該合併來辦理分開來辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
14320.109 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
14343.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
14362.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
變形現行的兩年一次大選的機制。而在這裡公投法是很重要,當這個省市領域管理的記憶。但是在我們內政國會會議中,我們想把這個公投跟大選透過領域,是在高層領域管理的行為。這個看法我比較好了解。主委、主任、主秘對這個看法怎樣? |
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| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
14396.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
根委員報告那我們中選會還是在重申基於辦理選務的立場我們還是認為公投跟選舉應該分別舉行那主要的原因還是在於我們選務有我們的這個量能那我們認為分開舉行的話包括我們選舉跟公投都比較能夠順遂辦理而且能夠真實的來反映民眾的一個投票的意願跟意志 |
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| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
14410.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條條文� |
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14425.071 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
14425.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
14441.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
14457.058 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
根委員報告,我們中選會是辦理選務的一個獨立機關,我們各種投票的辦理都是依照不管是選罷法或者是公投法所規定的程序還有規定來做進行。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
14462.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具〈公民投票法〉案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具〈公民投票法〉案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
14487.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
委員你好,謝謝你的帖文。委員長,我看你都瘦身了。主委,我們現在來討論一下,我這段時間在地方上經常聽到的事情,其實把我歡迎的人,這些人過去你們在婚姻做館長的時候,這些人也是都讓你都不錯,大家都接受到不錯。因為這個選舉法修正這個排黑條款, |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
14513.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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14539.042 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條條文修正� |
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14548.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
14553.409 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
不清楚自己算是具有參選資格的問題,可說是全國性的一個通案,反而大到人想要參選的人都不是很肯定的。有一些人說:「我以前,我小時候沒有換衣服,那時候怎麼會反而有可能去卡到我們的選舉條款呢?」但是我現在心裡, |
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| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
14580.498 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。八、審查委員羅智強等19 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條條文修 |
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三、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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第三十條條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。 |
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接下來請楊瓊瑩委員謝謝主席,楊瓊瑩發言,想邀請李主委請李主委 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。 |
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可以如此嗎?如果一次民調就定生死的話,那我想大院也不要再舉辦什麼公廷會議。好!你強的這個對!我就告訴你一個數據請問!請問!如果用一個民調,我再用一個比例給你!再用一個!請教!投票率四成! |
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跟投票率六成哪一個比這樣能夠展現民意基礎?請教主委你來自民意的洗禮投票率四成跟投票率六成的結果是要跟議題的設定有很緊密的關係 |
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有關於投票率影響到公投的結果,這一點我個人是比較無法理解。其實對公投的一個投票跟對選舉的投票意思大家都一樣一樣。我今天出來選舉選不中的時候就在外面說投票率太低了,所以我選不中。這個是不能夠得到支持的。 |
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主委,你這個邏輯,你來自司法界,你來自民意代表洗禮,你現在擔任我們中選會的主委,你這麼說,我再給你一個數字。2021年12月18四大公投的投票,投票率只有4乘1,只有4乘1。2022年的時候,11月26日,18歲的公民權的這個復決,那麼投票率59%,將近6成。 |
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所有的縣市首長 |
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選舉幾乎平均值 平均值六成以上所以本席再一次的請教投票率四成跟投票率六成哪一個可以展現民意的基礎在我的看法不管是四成五成六成他是否成案是否通過都是根據法律的規定他的效果在我中選會看起來都是一樣的 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具 |
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在公投法修法退回的時候,退回這個鐵籠。內政部說:「事與選民期待及意向並不相符。」跟你剛剛講的邏輯差不多。內政部又認為自己是代表民意嗎?你可以決定人民怎麼樣嗎?可以決定嗎?可以這麼說嗎?今天你是中選會的主委耶。 |
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今天你是中選會的主委,如果你說我們可以好好的來討論,讓更多的民意基礎更堅固,這才是一個民主堅固啊!我們現在就是在討論啊!我們現在就是在討論啊!對啊!那所以我再一次請問,第三次請問,四成的投票跟六成的投票率,哪一個可以展現民意?在我的看法都是一樣的,按照法律的規定來定它的結果跟它的效率。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具 |
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這個四個字沒有人有辦法接受你在整個的過程當中你要怎麼樣去動作你要怎麼樣去制度這是人民要的不能因為選務紛亂而導致你要走回頭路我往前走啊現在是要回去綁在一起是走回頭路啊你再說一次你再說一次你再說一次說公投綁大選這兩個是走回頭路你再說一次是走回頭路吳姐 |
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三、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員吳秉叡等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員吳秉叡 |
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最新通過法律案 最新的名義 |
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對,中選會是獨立機關單位,你必須要真正以民意為依歸,真正的還權於民,因為如果你如此的依執政黨的作為,變來變去,變來變去,對於我們的整個公投法用政治操作,這個是民眾沒有辦法接受的,這是民眾沒有辦法接受的。我告訴你,法院通過的法律來執行,並沒有變來變去。 |
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並沒有變來變去你是議院大院大院在審查的時候完全執政的情形是如此是一個A一個B變來變去所以在這樣的情況之下你中選會是執行單位你更應該要評估相關的議題跟相關的名義對不對依據法律來獨立執行 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具 |
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你剛才告訴我你願意好好的去思考我希望能夠聽到你的思考到底是怎麼樣的還權於民所以我要講一句話真正來阻礙我們整個公民神議精神這個是我們在民主的途徑上面是一定會被唾棄的大家都不能接受了 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具 |
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一次民調經常掛在嘴邊,但是對於曾經透過公民投票決定……請你告訴我,你相關的評估,你的民調是什麼?請你告訴我,什麼叫做一次的民調?請你告訴我,你隨後把書面資料給本席,你所做的相關評估,你的民調,那請拿出來。不是我的民調,66%這個民調,我在講的是這個民調。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具 |
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好,謝謝,請王洪威委員,王洪威委員,王洪威委員不在,請鍾嘉斌委員。主席,在場的委員先進,列席了政府金融市場官員,會場工作夥伴,媒體記者女士先生,有請我們李主委。好,請李主委。 |
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主委好,對於我們今天內政委員審議的版本包括羅智強版本叫做公投綁大選賴士寶的版本是對應處置主委你還記得我們上一次什麼時候辦過公投嗎上次的公投應該就是2022年的修憲公投沒有過你比我還記好我都忘了修憲公投了那你還記得2021年那個政策公投當中有哪些題目嗎 |
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2021年有萊豬有藻礁有公投榜大學還有一個叫做什麼我都寫在上面了啦你看看才不到三年的時間很多人都不記得我們2021年投過這四個票這四個案有通過嗎四個案子都沒有通過那通過的條件是不是要投票率超過四成 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具公民投票法部分條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員 |
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新竹市喝好水污水處理的公投有沒有過?有嘛!他的投票率也是4乘3嘛因為中央公投4乘1但是他在4乘單當中同意的多於不同意的而且同意票多於怎樣?四分之一就是25%對不對?所以過了嘛那過了有沒有做? |
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一個公投案過了,結果多數人不知道到底市政府做了沒有。上次為什麼修法把公投綁到遠脫溝? |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。四、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。四、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。四、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條條文修正草案。四、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條條 |
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好,沒有錯,我們對人的選舉罷免是對這個行政首長的信任,要或不要,對不對?對於事情,我希望選擇哪一件事情,它是不太一樣的。就要比如說我們公司的餐廳,我請主廚來,大家來投票,決定個主廚,四個月之後再來討論他做得好不好。但是呢,如果我要求主廚明天要出一道菜,叫做番茄炒蛋, |
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那番茄炒蛋做出來好不好吃?有沒有做出番茄炒蛋?我是就這個事情來連結說這個主廚好不好,你覺得會不會有點過度的隱身過度了?我今天請你來當廚師,你廚藝好,我們員工吃得開心,但是中間那邊就說你沒有吃到番茄炒蛋,那你能不能做得出來,或者我吃得滿不滿意,來決定你這個廚師的去留,你覺得這樣會不會太過於牽強了? |
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沒有實際的案例。目前我們看到賴士葆嚴寬衡的案件,他說全責機關這時候要提出辭職,如果公投上一個月準備提出必要之處置,如果沒有做好就要辭職。中選會能不能認定個別的個案他的全責機關,我們考你一下往下看,譬如說往下看,公投榜大選請問這個全責機關是中選會行政院還是立法院?這一題啊,全責機關是誰能不能告訴我? |
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法律的主管機關是中選會。法律的機關,所以如果這一案通過了沒有做就中選會下台。或者說2004強化國防,你認為他的選擇機關是國防部行政院還是總統?這個都牽涉到。都牽涉到。所以,如果我們要比照剛剛的案子,權責機關首長都搞到搞不清楚了,再往下看。那怎麼樣我才滿意?我請你炒一個番茄炒蛋,沒有番茄沒有蛋你炒給我,你做得出來嗎? |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。七、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。八、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。九、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修 |
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就是只要追究別人的責任逃避自己接受民意監督的這個 |
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逃避民意的監督。」 |
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接下來請鄭天才委員鄭天才委員鄭天才委員不在請高金素美委員高金素美委員高金素美委員不在請陳俊宇委員請陳俊宇委員陳俊宇委員不在請黃國昌委員 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具 |
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公投跟選舉合併舉行,有助於人民行使他的權利。」在另外一方面,中選會考慮的是選務的負擔。主任你都報告過了嗎?作為立法者,我們要做的決定是,這兩件事情放在天平的兩端,孰輕孰重。我們有沒有可能,藉由比較好的設計, |
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去減低行政上面的負擔去促進人民對憲法所保障公民權利的行使這個是這個委員會乃至於國會下一個階段要處理的問題這個是修法的全責主管機關的意見我們都聽到了會納入我們立法上面的考慮每一個委員心裡面都有一把尺我也不會要求主委要表態因為你有你的看法 |
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我會作為集體意志代表人民行使最後立法權限的組織體我們要做最後一個決定我相信對於立法的結果中選會一定會尊重嘛 對不對 |
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中選會要依法執行。在立法修法的過程裏面,我們也要勇於來說明中選會的意見。 |
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在民主深化的過程當中在民主深化的過程當中什麼是走回頭路這件事情每個人心裡有一把尺在您的心裡認為說公投回去跟選舉一起舉行是走回頭路剛剛您在回答其他委員質詢的時候您有做這樣的意見的表達我接任中選會主委的時候公投是我要跟主委說的是什麼我要跟主委說的是 |
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2019年當初的公投法鎖禁鳥籠的時候只花了30天的時間提案當天沒有經過委員會討論直接禁敷二讀冷凍30天以後強行表決30天30天喔把非常多我們民主的前輩 |
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再推動公投法補正的公投法又鎖回去鳥籠嗎?當然從你的立場或者是現在民進黨很多委員的立場他們可能忘了過去的那段歷史所以他們的立場改變這個我尊重這個我尊重但我要說的事情是什麼? |
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我要說的事情是在我心裡面2019年那才是走回頭路鎖回鳥籠公投法那才是真的走回頭路當然主委你有不一樣的看法我也尊重但這件事情就是立法院所有的立法委員要對歷史負責要共同決定的事情包括我們的總統賴清德 |
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當初公投跟選舉要何必舉行這是我們賴總統在當立委的時候的信念當初的提案他也是大力的倡議當然可能人當上總統了以後想法都會改變會改變還包括什麼來我再帶主委看一下主委你說這個 |
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違反公投的選舉的結果應辭職。這應該是政治責任,不應該是法律責任。這個也是主委您的看法嗎?沒有錯。是嗎?好。那剛剛甚至有委員說,說提這個案子的委員是不想負責任。因為我剛在下面仔細聆聽了以後,我覺得非常的害怕。 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案。 |
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我相信我們的賴清德總統當初在當立委的時候他提這個法律案絕對不會是因為絕對不會是因為他自己不想負責任他只是想要別人負責任我絕對相信我們的賴清德總統當初在推公投法的補正要釋放鳥籠公投甚至說什麼違反公投的結果權責機關的首長應立即辭職 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具 |
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在法理上是講不通的行得通行不通我們到逐條的時候大家再來討論但我要駁斥的是什麼我要駁斥的是說啊民進黨的立委忘了自己過去的理想指責現在提案的委員不想負責任所以嘛現在是針對中選會的大選了等一下馬上要由你回答的事情請你不要急因為我覺得道理啊要講清楚啊 |
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我們這些民主的前輩是因為不想負責任所以才提這種案子嗎?我個人認為並不是如此但我今天真的想要請教中選會的是你們之前有人民對於今年大選提出質疑嗎?是不是你們中選會給人家移送法辦?是的那現在結果怎麼樣? |
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如果是最近可能委員關心的是有一位所謂的網紅等人不是只有一位啦21個人21個人被你們移送法辦了嘛最後結果怎麼樣是不起訴處分 |
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你有沒有什麼話想對這21個人講?我第一點要講的就是對於司法機關所做的這個決定我們是予以尊重第二點但是我們也深覺遺憾那我為什麼是深覺遺憾呢?因為我認為選舉是一個非常重要的民主國家非常重要的一個工程選舉的這個成敗攸關到我們整個民主的進程 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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16589.309 |
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16598.873 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。六、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。七、審查委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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各別的疏失當然是有。人民按照那個疏失提出質疑有沒有錯?那個我們有做過說明的做過澄清的有些甚至於是無中生有的都有這種來來來來來中選會代表上面是怎麼講的?你們的告訴代理人啊徵訊的時候表示選務人員確實有未依照作業規定進行開票作業的情況這個是 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
三、審查委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法》案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。八、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具《公民投票法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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他們歷經了這個勞力時間費用的浪費結果你今天中選會主委對這些人沒有什麼話要講說你的意思是說我有話要講你們21個人被我中選會移送剛好而已啦我要講的話剛剛已經講過了對嘛所以我就說嘛你今天的立場違反 |
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對於違反國家秀黑重大法例的事項應該要負更高的注意。」所以你的立場是不是21個人被我移送剛好而已嗎?就算檢察官不起訴處分這21個公民過去這段時間所承受的精神壓力、所承受的痛苦從中選會的立場來講剛好而已,是不是這樣? |
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剛好而已我是不會用因為我不知道他的意思是怎麼樣我是覺得大家都必須要去面對這樣子的行為對於整個國家社會所產生的負面的影響第一個我要說一次喔中選會的告訴代理人承認確實有未依規定開票的情況這是客觀的事實喔 |
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三、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。六、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。七、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。八、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條文修正草案。九、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法部分條 |
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他們所質疑的影帶有偽照變照嗎?他們所在質疑的影帶有偽照變照嗎?有些是受過度的延伸啊。過度的延伸。請你回答問題啊。他的影帶有偽照變照嗎?我沒有每一件都看齁。我沒有每一件都看。來!請你自己在上面看。我白紙黑字也推在上面。這個是不起訴處分數上面寫的啊。 |
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被告是轉貼網路流傳的影片做出評論沒有變造或剪輯影片的行為。不是轉接就完全可以撇清責任嗎?你要轉接你就知道說有很多人可以去聽可以去看對整個事件的這個真相是不是有所模糊所以重點嘛重點是那個引擔是不是有被變造是不是有被偽造今天喔 |
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如果有人偽造變造引帶去污蔑我們的選務同仁我跟主委報告我們大家一定共同譴責太過分了但問題是什麼問題今天調查的結果出來那些引帶完全沒有偽造變造完全沒有偽造變造啊然後你們中選會自己的告訴代理人都承認了 |
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16893.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
選務的確有問題最後做出了不請訴處分您作為中選會的主委連跟這21個人說抱歉讓你們經歷了這麼痛苦的司法程序你連這個格局都沒有 |
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16908.654 |
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對於國家社會重大法役所受到的侵害大家應該要共同的面對這問題不在於我要不要表示歉意而是這對整個社會對民主的一個重大傷害所以我就問你嘛學務有沒有缺失嘛有還是沒有 |
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| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
16925.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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16964.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
上一次在這邊問的時候你自己就承認了對這21個公民一句sorry都沒有一句sorry都沒有一句有瑕疵咬死中選會也不公平所以人家提出他的評論跟質疑阿這不是當代法治國家公民受憲法所保障的基本權利嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
中選會選務有瑕疵公民不能質疑你敢質疑我把你移送法辦這樣子論述太簡單了沒有關係啊我靜候你我靜候你精彩的論述啦我靜候你精彩的論述啦我靜候你精彩的論述啊你們徹底的被打臉了今天還站在這邊硬拗喔 |
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維護國家社會的法律,這也是中選會的責任。所以這21個公民受憲法所保障的權利就活該嘛!就活該嘛!被你的中選會移送活該而已啦!這樣子的講法無助於大家共同來維護選務的尊嚴啦!選務的尊嚴?沒有幫助!不是啦!那你就把選務做好就好了嘛! |
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| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具 |
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接下來請鄭正前委員鄭正前委員鄭正前委員不在請洪孟楷委員洪孟楷委員洪孟楷委員不在請陳金輝委員陳金輝委員陳金輝委員不在請何新淳委員何新淳委員何新淳委員不在 |
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| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具:「公民投票法第三十條條文修正 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員徐富奎委員徐富奎委員徐富奎委員不在。五、審查委員謝龍介委員謝龍介委員謝龍介委員不在。六、審查委員羅美玲委員羅美玲委員羅美玲委員不在。七、審查委員賴士寶委員賴士寶委員賴士寶委員不在。八、審查委員賴瑞龍委員賴瑞龍委員賴瑞龍委員不在。八、審查委員林思明委員林思明委員林思明委員不在。 |
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第三十條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員張家俊委員、張家俊委員、張家俊委員不在。五、審查委員王帝宇委員、王帝宇委員、王帝宇委員不在。六、審查委員翁曉林委員、翁曉林委員、翁曉林委員不在。七、審查委員葉元之委員、葉元之委員、葉元之委員不在。八、審查委員林黛樺委員、林黛樺委員、林黛樺委員不在。八、審查委員吳佩奕委員、吳佩奕委員、吳佩奕委員不在。 |
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好,我們登記發言的委員除不在場者,其餘均已發言完畢,詢答結束。委員汪小林所提書面質詢列入記錄,刊登公報。書面質詢和未及答覆部分,請相關單位於一週內以書面答覆並複製本會。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
報告委員會現在進行法案條文的宣讀,請宣讀。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
第9條委員吳秉瑞等提案。第5項與本人國民身份證統一編號後增定發證日期其餘同線型條文。第10條委員吳秉瑞等人提案。第6項第二款與國民身份證統一編號後增定發證日期其餘同線型條文。第12條委員吳秉瑞等提案。第三項與本人國民身份證統一編號後增定發證日期其餘同線型條文。第13條 |
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| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
第二項第二款與國民身份證同一編號後增訂發證日期其餘同線性條文。第二十一條,臺灣民眾黨黨團提案,增訂第二項第三項,前項之公民投票案數如超過一定案數應全部印製於同一選票。第一項公民投票案之標號,二個以上性質相同標的不互相排斥,或二個以上性質相同標的 |
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相反者,均因編為同一編號下之序列號碼,其下之序列號碼順序依其公告成立時間排序。原第二項一列第四項,增訂第五項。第二項之一,以定案數由中央主管機關定之,其餘同線性條文。第二十三條,委員羅智強等提案。第一項修正為主管機關應與公民投票案公告成立後一個月起至六個月內 |
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舉行公民投票該期間內有全國性選舉時應與該選舉同日舉行其與同現行條文。第三十條委員賴士寶等提案。第一項第三款修正為有關重大政策者應由總統或權責機關於三個月內提出未實現該公民投票案內容之必要處置但違反該公民投票案內容之行政處分法規命令或行政規則或執行法律細節性或補充性規定應即停止執行。 |
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預期未提出提出之必要處置未符合公民投票案之內容或違反該公民投票案內容之行政處分法規命令或行政規則或執行法律細節性或補充性規定未及停止執行者。權責機關之首長應立即提出辭職。第四項、第五項、第六項之二年修正為四年其餘同現行條文。增訂第35條之一委員吳秉叡等提案。 |
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第三十五條之一,利用他人個人資料未經同意偽造假冒提案聯署者,處五年以下有期徒刑,拘役或處新台幣一百萬元以下罰還。第四十三條,臺灣民眾黨黨團提案,前段修正為違反第21條第四項規定,其餘同現行條文。宣讀完畢。 |
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討論事項所列我們做以下決議討論事項所列議案均另定期繼續審查本次會議到此結束現在散會 |
| IVOD_ID |
16226 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16226 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-15-7 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-04T08:30:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-04T13:20:00+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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