| IVOD_ID |
162136 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162136 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第14次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第14次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-03T11:45:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-03T11:51:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:05:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6f2ac2ba46b6b287fbcfae9b60a41f7a4dc585a98b161e637d313d65cb984ea34bf5e17283eb3aa95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡其昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:45:44 - 11:51:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第14次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院委員羅廷瑋、廖偉翔、黃健豪、楊瓊瓔、徐巧芯、張啓楷等29人，建請院會作成決議：「改善空氣品質，守護國人健康，台中發電廠應逐年提出並落實減煤計畫，並在2028年完成無煤中火之國家減碳目標」。是否有當？請公決案等15案。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、下午5時至6時為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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謝謝主席 各位委員 同仁 大家好講到台中火力發電廠 講到台中的空汙這真的 說到會吐血 |
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台中火力發電廠是怎麼來的是國民黨執政時期我們千拜託萬拜託上街抗爭國民黨堅持要在台中港蓋這個火力發電廠而且還是亞洲最大的好啦說為了台灣的發展他也最後也蓋了 |
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蓋好之後台中人什麼時候用廢發電什麼時候火力全開就在馬總統執政的時候這個電廠啊火力全開那時候真的台中人用廢發電身為台中人的一份子我們需要電我們更需要健康 |
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所以從那個時候開始作為立法委員的我開始在立法院我們要求台電要想辦法開始降載所以從蔡英文總統執政開始到今天台中火力發電廠 |
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93.272 |
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99.975 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].text |
總共啊 煤減少了大概燃燒600萬噸對一清馬英九時代一清839 到現在1208差不多-600萬噸碳排檢差不多77 |
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108.858 |
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124.311 |
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有在做沒 真認真在拚這樣有夠沒 當然沒夠所以我在當副院長的時候我特別還做了一個案子我們叫台中要以氣換煤我們很理性務實的跟台電溝通什麼時間你要縮短讓台中不再燃燒煤氣 |
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149.862 |
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當時協商的結果2035年雖然我們不滿意啦但是這是科學務實理性讓台中不缺電又可以讓煤氣退場所以我們在立法院通過一個決議2035年台電認為不會造成台中沒有電但又可以顧住我們的健康這樣剛才過去減10年啦過去2040幾年才可以沒收土產現在改到2035年 |
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164.076 |
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2035年通過之後我們滿意嗎 當然不滿意吧所以我們會持續要求台電 現在台電講2034年在環評當中要蓋燃氣電廠的環評當中改成2034年可以不再燃煤了 |
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200.556 |
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但是這個燃氣機組要蓋的時候 我們的市長盧市長啊還用督審擋了這個燃氣機組 擋了15個月啊否則我們現在的燃氣機組已經上線 又可以讓燃煤下來嘛為什麼不做呢台中的空污只有火力發電嗎 火力發電佔2%剩下的移動污染源 台中的智慧城市你不知道要怎麼走去問王逸川啊 |
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228.433 |
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到今天為止 你還最好救的比市長幹那麼多年你最好救的文山貓貓 你趕快換技術 還擺在那裡繼續抬放工 不讓還有人得罪你該買你做家的牌子你黨人的藍心 你自己該做的都不能再降低文山貓貓都該降低 你做 |
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258.116 |
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好 謝謝 |
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283.023 |
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實際要從台電 要趕快接觸到美方電當然不是給台電一個時間 台電都沒有電停不下去 咱們要負責嗎 你們要繼續招商嗎 你們的民生又可以出問題嗎所有東電的部分 能源部分 台電是要發展健康的部分 |
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好 謝謝好 謝謝蔡其昌委員的發言 |
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蔡其昌委員：（11時46分）謝謝主席。各位委員同仁，大家好。講到台中火力發電廠，講到臺中的空污，這真的講到會吐血。台中火力發電廠是怎麼來的？是在國民黨執政時期，雖然當時我們千拜託萬拜託並上街抗爭，但國民黨堅持要在臺中港蓋這個火力發電廠，而且還是亞洲最大的，說是為了臺灣的發展，最後也蓋了。蓋好之後，臺中人什麼時候用肺發電，什麼時候火力全開？就在馬總統執政的時候，這個電廠火力全開，那時候臺中人真的用肺發電。 |
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身為臺中人的一分子，我們需要電，我們更需要健康，所以從那個時候開始，作為立法委員的我開始在立法院要求台電要想辦法降載，所以從蔡英文總統執政開始到今天，台中火力發電廠總共減少燃煤大概600萬噸，從馬英九時代的1,839萬噸到現在1,208萬噸，差不多降了600萬噸；碳排減少差不多七成七，有在做嗎？很認真在拚，但這樣夠嗎？當然不夠！所以我在當副院長的時候還特別提了一個案子，我們叫臺中要以氣換煤，我們很理性、務實的跟台電溝通要縮短時間看什麼時候讓臺中不再燃燒煤氣，當時協商的結果是2035年，雖然我們不滿意啦，但是這是科學、務實、理性的作法，讓臺中不缺電又可以讓煤氣退場，所以我們在立法院通過一個決議，2035年，台電認為不會造成臺中沒有電，但又可以顧住我們的健康，這樣剛好比過去早10年，過去是要到二零四幾年才可以不燒煤炭，現在改到2035年。2035年這個決議通過之後，我們滿意嗎？當然不滿意嘛！所以我們會持續要求台電，現在台電講2034年，在要蓋燃氣電廠的環評當中改成2034年可以不再燃煤了。但是這個燃氣機組要蓋的時候，我們的盧市長還用都審去擋這個燃氣機，阻擋了15個月啊，否則現在我們的燃氣機組已經上線，又可以讓燃煤下來嘛，為什麼不做呢？臺中的空污只有火力發電嗎？火力發電占2%，剩下的移動污染源，臺中的智慧城市，你如果不知道要怎麼做，去問王義川啦！ |
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臺中的文山焚化爐到今天為止，你還用臺中最老舊的，你市長幹了這麼多年，最老舊的文山焚化爐不趕快汰換，還擺在那裡持續排放空污，污染臺中人的肺，你怎麼不去做這些事情？你擋了燃氣機組，你自己該做的，如移動污染源降低、文山焚化爐的降低，你不做，火力發電廠才占2%耶，剩下的98%請問市長做了哪些努力？臺中要持續進步啦，所以民進黨的提案很簡單，臺中現在的用電量，如果今天火力發電廠不運轉，臺中現在的用電量跟台中火力發電廠的用電量，是我們要拜託外地發電給我們臺中人用，有180萬戶是要靠外地發電才有辦法耶…… |
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主席：好，謝謝。 |
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蔡委員其昌：所以，我們希望理性、務實並持續地要求台電要趕快結束燃煤發電，但是不是給台電一個時間，那臺中沒有電，請問一下盧市長，你要負責嗎？你要繼續招商嗎？你要讓我們市民的民生用電出問題嗎？所以用電的問題、能源的問題、臺中市要發展的問題、健康的問題，必須在理性的架構底下，我們大家合作把它解決。不斷地指責別人，不斷地政治操作，像啓楷兄講了一大堆，最後還是在講政治嘛…… |
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主席：好，謝謝。 |
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蔡委員其昌：誰選市長不重要，這一路以來臺中的艱辛，民眾黨的立委，多關心一下啦！在這裡說那些五四三就沒用嘛…… |
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主席：好，謝謝。 |
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蔡委員其昌：我們搞了多少年在搞這個事情，你一上來就說那些。 |
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主席：好，謝謝，謝謝蔡其昌委員的發言。 |
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接下來我們請麥玉珍委員發言，吳思瑤委員請準備。 |
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260 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
院會-11-3-14 |
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韓國瑜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
黃珊珊 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
鍾佳濱 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
賴惠員 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
羅廷瑋 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
李坤城 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
18 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2025-06-03 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1145301 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1145301_00002 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[1] |
1145301_00003 |
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1145301_00004 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第3會期第14次會議紀錄 |
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討論事項
保險法增訂第一百二十三條之一、第一百二十三條之二、第一百二十九條之一及第一百三十二條
之一條文；刪除第一百六十八條之七條文；並修正第一百三十條、第一百四十八條之三、第一百
六十七條之一及第一百七十一條之一條文─完成三讀─ |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1145301_00003 |