| IVOD_ID |
162107 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162107 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-22-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-29T11:39:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-29T11:49:30+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/99583f279a18fcc1e35b8bc6858ad4a31219069fb8f2289f531422321b8e3e8753e0a86760a0e7675ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:39:05 - 11:49:30 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：處理114年度中央政府總預算有關國家科學及技術委員會主管預算解凍案22案。） |
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接下來有請葉元之委員質詢本來請國會主委謝謝請主委備質詢謝謝 |
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葉委員好主委好我們現在關心一下我們留學生因為我們留學生要去美國美國現在對於留學生簽證的政策一變再變了最新由他們的媒體的報導說川普已經下令全球的美國大使館立刻停止為外國學生安排簽證面試已經安排的不受影響了但是他們已經不接受預約了除非就是要先針對這些申請人來進行 |
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社交媒體的審查可能說在這個審查過後才會繼續預約啦那主委我不知道因為國科會也有在補助很多我們的學生出國留學嘛你們去掌握一下他現在要進行社交媒體審查是要審查什麼啊怎麼樣的內容是不會被他通過的 |
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對 這個我們會關注啦我們希望不是真的全面性而且長時間希望只是短暫的一個我覺得你們那個相關的單位應該去了解一下嘛因為他的政策現在變來變去啦但我們從一些報章雜誌報導看到美國川普現在正在針對哈佛嘛主要是兩個原因啦我知道主委你有沒有去看至少我看到的是說第一個是哈佛他們覺得什麼反猶太主義嘛 |
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這是第一個啦第二個是川普現在在打擊DEI嘛對不對那我不知道說這個是不是跟這些社群媒體的內容他審查有關我不知道主委你們對 有沒有去協助一下 |
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我們當然沒有辦法了解美國政府他要做因為這個會有影響我剛剛講的問題就是說現在有一些國會已經補助了那些學生假設還沒有安排到預約然後他要接受社群媒體的審查 |
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這個要因應啦我會不會說因為他社群媒體什麼樣的狀況AIT或是美國認為不OK簽證就不發了那我們這個人才沒辦法出國進修我們會因應這個變化如果是真的話那接下來怎麼協助可能我們對劉先生好按照委員的建議我們會積極來進行這是我們跟你們要資料啦 |
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114年核定補助美國總共有124名學生博士95名有51名還沒出發29名有22個還沒出發 |
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那另外還有科學及技術人員國外的短期研究有64名但是有38名未出發這個可能國科會也要去問一下我們來瞭解一下他們現在有的是已經拿到簽證了嗎還是還沒拿到簽證好不好這個去關心一下好 謝謝委員提醒第二個我想問一下國科會有關於用電的問題 |
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之前國會會在2025年行政院科技顧問會議總結處理原則提出一個預估說在2050年的時候因應很多我們科技的發展到時候總電力需求會到5000億度是當時是由國會會執行秘書張正豪他指出來的那這個張正豪執行秘書他講說 |
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未來我們的能源如果沒有核能的話大概還可以靠太陽能、風電、地熱未來可以進口綠氫、綠氨等等我覺得這個國會會議我們去評估一下這個能源的預估會不會太過樂觀你知道我們現在才多少度嗎 |
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是 我們現在2500億度你說需求吧 需求其實按照我們現在產業的發展所以我們現在看這個表格 我們現在整個台電系統發電量是2500億度換言之 這個資料是去年的 所以去年那時候還有核電換言之我們在205你要加倍 要加倍 |
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那我們其實可以針對一項一項能源來看比如說太陽能其實主委你可以去看太陽能最近的發展已經趨緩了他的暗場慢慢會飽和對已經慢慢飽和了風電 風電也有一些危機啦為什麼因為也是川普啊川普罵風電是垃圾所以國際有一些大廠可能會減少對風電的投資再來大家一直講綠能一直講綠能 |
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新型綠能啦 好說兩個嘛一個地熱 一個氫能地熱我的了解現在做專探專探到有一些已經開採的地熱其實佔發電量都很小這次有一些 |
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風險然後再來就是有關氫能氫能我不知道可以問一下主委氫能應該是不會增加發電量嘛之前那個中研院的那個中研院他們講說他們在研究一個四年的氫能研究計畫到時候是做跟天然氣發電基礎的橋接啊他是減碳他是減碳他並不是說有了氫能多的話呢可以讓發電量增加 |
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所以我覺得你這樣子看喔在沒有核電的情況之下你要在2050讓我們的電double翻倍到5000億度主委你覺得有可能嗎因為這個跟國會雖然說那個是台電的事啊但國會是輔導國內科技發展嘛科技用電息息相關的所以這個部分你有沒有自己也去研究一下要給經濟部正確的建議啊 |
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那個經濟部都一直在做相關的這個評估,那國會是在相關的這個新能源的開發,我們一直在努力在...是哪一方面的新能源開發?好,剛剛其實我也有提到,氫能的部分現在其實有其他的這個方法,就是SOFC,就是Solid Oxide Fuel Cell,就是一個新的這個做法,它是不用靠燃燒的,它是沒有排碳的, |
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但它目前的成本我們還在評估當中這是一個新的但是濾清我們需要是濾清濾清的這個進口或者是用安的形式轉成安比較穩定它的進口來取代未來的這種逐步啦你覺得可以新人如果順利發展我們是期望可以順利發展 |
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第一個它什麼時候可以商轉第二個它可以增加多少發電量現在商轉小規模的已經有了至於大量的商轉未來整個市場的供應端還需要再評估可能從綠電過剩的國家他們會把它轉成氫來賣給需要綠能的這些國家這是一個可能性主委我只是提醒我覺得大家對於這個能源也都不要自欺欺人 |
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就像譬如說一直講說政府一直講說我們不排除用那個SMR但是不排除不排除可是又一直不去設立核廢的最終處理廠所以光核廢這個問題社會就很難達到共識所以這都是志氣氣人的說法我覺得很務實的我們一定要找到新的能源 |
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否則的話科技發展會遇到很大阻力嘛同意所以像為什麼黃文勳你看黃文勳就說台灣需要更多電力然後說要投資核電黃文勳就背一堆人背一堆反核的不知道是誰啦就出征啊還說他是中共同路人 |
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人家是業界對電力擔心嘛像美國商會每一次建言裡面也有都說去使用核電嘛好那最後我問一下因為這個是國安會有科學園區的擴電計畫嘛本來是 |
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有兩個,一個是希望在2036年可以新增1000公頃的用地另外後來要新增2050年希望新增用地可以到3000公頃但這環拼裡面有一些狀況我們來看一下第一個也是跟用電有關 |
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這個應該是經濟部的建議經濟部建議說要宣導廠商製成使用燃料採用新興能源還有第二個是要評估50%屋頂可以用面積建置太陽光電然後還有一個還有一個是也是經濟部的建議說希望國會以後這些用地可以預留用地設置自用發電設備及儲能系統甚至於要預留用地以興建電廠 |
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然後這個電廠就台電公司或民營電廠都可以啦還有輸配電系統就是變電站那我看國會的回覆直接是回覆不可能那我就也是很好奇一個很務實的問題你看國科會現在如果要新設用地都被經濟部要求說在裡面要設電廠 |
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這透露出什麼樣的訊息啊 主委以目前的電廠的方式要放在原區裡面當然是不可能為什麼經濟部會提出這種要求呢經濟部當然是希望說將來用電的 |
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非常大的這些事業希望他們能夠自力發電所以民營的電廠進來未來也許是可行這種民營的電廠小規模的模組化的電廠我剛提的那個氫能源那種做法是一個可能性那至於SMR未來有沒有這個可能性我們會去評估會去研究那地熱是屬於比較大規模的那種其實主委這個 |
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我看到這個環評他們的建議我就知道啦其實經濟部也很擔心電力不足啦所以我跟你講我真的希望國會會可以本於科技理性這樣的角度提供正確就不要大家都欺騙就這些人說哪一個我們可以沒問題不會缺電大家放心但務實的討論其實處處你都會看到大家對缺電的擔憂啦我們會進行研究會去評估他的感情謝謝好謝謝韋揚 |