| IVOD_ID |
162078 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162078 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-29T09:08:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-29T09:21:46+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/99583f279a18fcc1aec540c65ecc00b3fa28f537c7c679770b07ac742f6d2320f0a2f51fd5bd8c715ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:08:58 - 09:21:46 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：處理114年度中央政府總預算關於國家運輸安全調查委員會預算凍結案計6案。
【5月28日及29日二天一次會】） |
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好 主席謝謝 麻煩請林主委林主委 |
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各位好 新北三峽發生重大的車禍意外我想國人都非常的難過但現在最重要是釐清真相跟還原事實我們有看到運安會也已經說成立專案小組並且查扣車輛上面的事故資料記錄器那到目前為止已經快兩個禮拜過去那我們有沒有什麼樣的一個比較新的進度來還原整個事實的真相 |
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這個案子我們的EDI就是所謂行程電腦已經開始在解讀那我們跟檢調單位目前在合作那相關的資料都有在互通因為基於檢調單位偵查不公開的原則我們目前還是在因為這個案子EDI的解讀一般差不多要三四個禮拜但初步因為它要同步 |
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EDR要三四個禮拜但對於我們來講現在國人想要了解的是說到底這件事情它是因為第一時間交通部在第二天馬上就調修了所謂的高齡駕車的一個年限的緊縮從本來75歲往下修70歲那一時間大家以為是說是不是高齡者的一個高齡駕車的問題 |
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那但是又看到的是他有400公尺內四次的事故尤其是一開始的時候在那個路口有所謂的肇事逃逸所以我們現在國人大家想問的是到底他是故意還是過失是人為的因素還是肇事逃逸那這些部分沒有辦法讓國人有一個比較清楚明白了解嗎 |
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這個要等這個我剛剛講ED要解讀出來之後還要配合所有的CCTV還有配合這個駕駛的訪談等等這個整個整個一系列的這個調查還有很多要磨合在一起當然 |
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就是因為有很多所以說國人現在想要了解是說我們到底各單位的進度或是各單位是不是能夠積極辦理讓國人早日了解真相三人死亡十二人受傷這難道不應該重視嗎我們已經動員整個全會大概有十五個人力在集中火力在調查這個案子是所以什麼時候因為以往的運安事故發生一個月才會公佈初步的調查報告沒有錯 |
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那你現在又在推說因為這個可能檢調現在正在偵辦當中但我們其實對檢調也有點為詞啊因為也有網路上面講說同病房的人好像有聽到說這一個加害者他已經醒過來了但到目前為止怎麼都看到還沒有做筆錄那當然我相信檢調應該都有派專人再去做看管這一個加害者只要要一清醒可以做筆錄就應該要做筆錄嘛 |
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但現在重點是各單位有沒有積極的讓國人了解還是說真的如同陰謀論來講這個背後可能八股很大可能是某某某綠營調查咖還是怎麼樣還是跟誰關係好所以大家想要大事化小 小事化無有可能嗎這個我沒有聽說 |
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不可能嘛 主委這不好笑不是 主委我們要的是真相 要的是還原事實好 來看一下喔今年3月 交通部長陳士凱才講說行人走在斑馬線上被車撞死是國死所以修法要更嚴厲但昨天交通部周年記者會卻改口說行人地獄只是形容詞 見仁見智 |
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我想請教以主管道安交安的主管機關這種說法運安會你能夠接受嗎我們尊重交通部主管機關啦因為我們是事故的調查機關這角度是不太一樣的 |
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那可以接受說現在到底行人地獄在台灣國外國際觀光客為什麼會有行人地獄這四個字其實本席身為中華民國的一份子我也覺得很難過啊當國外的遊客來到台灣然後就感受到說是行人地獄的時候其實這是一竿子打翻一船人可是為什麼會有這樣的罵名不也就是過去不管是道路不管是駕駛人不管是相關的單位大家的疏忽累積而成 |
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那現在講說行人地域只是形容詞見仁見智那我們的運安會能夠協助是不是能夠給交通主管機關更強而有力的督促啊 主委 |
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我們這個案子調查出來之後可能會有系統化的風險問題我們會給交通部做建議調查出來之後會有系統化的方式給交通部做建議對好來那我請教第一時間我剛剛開眾名義就講第一時間三峽案件一發生完之後第一時間交通部第二天記者會馬上就有講是說要調修這所謂的高齡駕車的部分當然最近也有一連串其他高齡駕駛肇事的狀況 |
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但是就針對這一個事件初步判斷感覺跟高齡比較沒有直接的關係那主委對於這一連串我們台灣社會最近比較多的媒體報導的高齡駕車事件事故你有什麼樣的建議 |
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我覺得我們是應該跟交通部一起來共同努力交通部雖然已經在第一時間有給國人一個交代可是這個案子是屬於調查案子調查案子的過程我們應該要更加努力所以我剛剛幫我們投入了15個人力這個幾乎是排擠掉其他的案子了 |
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這重大的案件當然也應該要趕快調查給國人適時真相了解啊我每一次我都講嘛 運安會今天是解凍案報告我每次都講說運安會來我們可以很心平氣和討論交通的精進交通的改善這都好事啊 因為代表沒有事故發生啊沒有事故發生我們超前部署防範未然啊 |
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但現在既然事故發生了我們要的是記取這次的教訓避免下次再犯所以才要找出這件事件的真實原因是肇事逃逸是荒唐駕車是人為因素是車輛控管不良還是高齡駕車這些綜合出來之後我們才能做政策來對症下藥啊不是嗎所以後續高齡駕駛的一連串的事故我們運安會會有提出相關建議 |
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是不是能夠針對這個不管是現在從75歲調降到70歲但是70歲是換照他還是有那我們那時候也提過是說你的高齡駕駛除了我的身心的感知以外可能還有其他的部分需要再進一步的做評估來不是只是單純年齡一分法 |
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確實沒有錯 不是只有單純的問題所以運安會後續是不是也可以提供專業的建議給交通部因為交通部講說三個月內會把配套措施出來那我們運安會這邊是不是也可以提供參考其他國外的案例 參考國外的制度我想我們應該會提供一些建議給他們 |
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因為我們分成四個分組在調查嘛操作分組 車輛分組 生還因素的還有紀錄區分組那這四個分組在15個人力裡面我們所調查出來之後還要去同步 還要解讀 還要訪談我只是請教 那交通部有沒有找 雲南會開會過了 |
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還沒有目前還沒有目前還沒有三個月內他們就要提出來就運安會我覺得很重要的一個機關也是獨立自主的機關調查事故的機關專業機關交通部不早開會莫名其妙 |
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我們是不是能夠主動的問交通部說有什麼樣可以協助的地方參與這次的一個調整的政策開會溝通提供專業意見事實上我們這個案子的專案小組組織分工會議裡面有找他們來看過會 |
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有找他們來 專業組織婚婚會他們有來過主委我講的是兩件事嘛專案小組是你們現在在組成是調查新北市三峽事故這個是專案小組但本席現在講的是交通部因應這一個案件之後他就調整了高齡駕車的 |
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年齡比例 從75歲變到70歲然後他說他要做相關的配套 但是這個部分跟這一件事情一個是獨立案件 我們要真相請運安會趕快讓國人知道真相但另外一個部分是 交通部做出一個反應但這個反應其實它並不是這個獨立事件的主要原因可是交通部還是做了 |
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就是所謂的高齡駕車 從75歲變70歲那本席也尊重 因為過去也有一些討論那只是說 現在一連串的事故裡面也有高齡駕車它可能不是這一個獨立案件的主要原因可是既然要講高齡駕車 它可能是另外一個事件的時候我們運動會要提出相關的建議啊你不能講說你這個獨立案件 你們又找交通部開會然後這一個高齡駕車的政策 你們就放著不管啊 |
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568.05 |
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587.578 |
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不會啦不會嘛因為我們我們主動一點好不好我們的調查重點裡面也會考慮到這個駕駛行為調查搞造的體檢制度調查的這個這個管理制度這裡面就會涉及高齡的問題好來那主委我最後一個問題請教這可能也跟您過去轉眼雲過去是民航局副局長 |
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611.589 |
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那最近也有另外一個年齡的問題卻是機師的人口缺口所以交通部要修正所謂的航空人員檢定給照管理規則擴大放寬年齡的範圍從最低要放寬到18歲並且最高同航班年齡反而是從不超過60歲放寬到不超過65歲 |
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615.546 |
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642.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
所以在另外一個航空的部分因為機師的缺口反而他是要放寬年齡的級距從高齡的60歲現行60歲的制度要多放寬5歲變65歲所以一方面路上他是要降低年齡的限度從75歲降到70歲他就要受相關的換照可是航空他卻是要65歲放寬60歲放寬到65歲 |
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646.064 |
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671.296 |
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主委 以你的專業判斷 你有什麼樣的看法這是兩個不同的專業領域是 兩個不同的專業領域 但是回歸同一件事情都是年齡的放寬一個是緊縮 一個是放寬我相信平常局他一定有配套措施啊是 我現在想問的是你不能只是相信 因為運安會你是防範未來的專業單位嘛那我現在想要請教說 運安會您專業的看法是什麼他60歲 當初會設60歲的門檻 |
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675.97 |
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701.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
那因為現在是機師的人口缺 人力缺所以他要放寬5歲那這5歲有沒有專業的支撐判斷還是說他有沒有 你應該建議說他要再多做什麼樣的一個檢測還是就是單純的就放寬就放寬了應該不會 他有必要做事 絕對有必要做事能不能了解一下他不會去單純是這樣做 我們可以去了解 |
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726.924 |
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主委這個是本席就找到的新聞資料他就是直接講交通部你下修檢定年齡到18歲同班高齡駕駛放寬到65歲本席還是站在我相信我們做每一件事情一定都要做過評估但是就是說在這個放寬的過程當初會這樣子規定並且現在的放寬如果說只是因為人力不足而要補這個人力缺口就放寬5歲的話那5歲的標準是什麼 |
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743.485 |
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那如果說以後人力再不夠 再放寬變10歲變15歲這個部分 越南會是不是能夠也來做掌握跟交通部來做一個了解 |
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745.067 |
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763.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
我們可以開個專案會議來跟他了解一下我還是強調交通沒有最好只有更好我們大家都是在防範未來都是希望把風險降到最低窮盡一切的可能把風險降到最低這是我們共同的使命再拜託主委好嗎好謝謝 |