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| 會議時間 |
2024-10-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、衛生福利部首長、教育部首長、勞動部首長就「我國少子女化現況及對策計畫成效，暨我國與亞鄰國家之留才攬才政策競爭力比較」進行報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、行政院人事行政總處首長就「我國少子女化對策主管單位與主要國家做法之比較，暨我國參採改制之可行性」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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與亞鄰國家之留才攬才政策競爭力比較． |
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與亞鄰國家之留才攬才政策競爭力比較。」進行報告。 |
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與亞鄰國家之留才攬才政策競爭力比較． |
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好,報告委員會我們現在開會,請組密報告出席人數。報告全體會,出席委員13人,已足法定人數。好,我們現在開始開會,進行報告事項,請宣讀上次會議之路。 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議一事錄時間113年10月23日星期三9時至11時50分地點紅紅一連一會議室出席委員林黛華委員等14人列席委員洪孟凱委員等21人列席人員經濟部常次連錦章環境部政次斯文珍財政部官務署副署長蘇淑珍及其各單位相關人員主席邱昭及委員志偉 |
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報告事項一、宣讀上次會議事務決定確定．二、邀請經濟部首長、環境部首長就我國碳費徵收機制對產業衝擊之影響評估及政府協助企業因應支配套措施進行報告．並備質詢。三、邀請經濟部首長 |
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1812 |
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環境部首長、財政部首長就我國碳邊境調整機制 的推動規劃．進行報告．並備質詢。報告四、向合併巡查、經濟部長賜連錦章及環境部政次施文貞、報告後委員林戴化等18人提出質詢．均由經濟部連長賜及環境部施政次及相關人員即席答覆。決定一、登記發言委員處不在場、走在區域進行發言完畢．訊答結束。二、委員陳昌明所提書面質詢、列入紀錄、刊登公報 |
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三、書面執行和會籍答覆部分請相關單元一周內以書面答覆並複製本會。散會宣讀完畢。好,在場沒有違約,我們依次入政不疏離。我們繼續進行報告事項,請一併宣讀。 |
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二、邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、衛生福利部首長、教育部首長、勞動部首長就我國少子女化現況及對策計畫成效，暨我國與亞鄰國家之留才攬才政策競爭力比較，進行報告，並備質詢。三、邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、行政院人事總處 |
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1849.792 |
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少子女化對策主管單位與主要國家作法之比較．我國參裁改制之可能行性．進行報告．並備質詢宣讀完畢。 |
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在國會的留主委報告之前我很快的介紹進行列席的各部會的官員國家發展委員會留進行主委、行政院國發基金實名三職祕、衛生福利部及家庭署、社家署周道軍代理署長、教育部由張料外兼次長代表出席還有國民及學院教育署馮護元署長 |
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勞動部部份由勞動力發展署黃玲玉副署長代表出席那行政院人事行政總處由李秉舟副人事長代表出席以上 |
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那現在開始進行報告本日報告我們排定是我國少子女化現況跟對策的計畫成效繼我國跟亞洲其他國家鄰國的留才攬才政策的競爭力的比較這是第一案第二我國少子女化對策主管單位跟主要國家的做法做相關的比較還有我國未來該參採改制的可行性這兩個案特別請劉主委做報告 |
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1935.253 |
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1937.516 |
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現在請國家發展委員會 主任委員報告 |
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1950.682 |
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主席、各位委員先進、大家早今天很榮幸應邀到貴會針對我國少子女化現況及對策計畫成效暨我國與鄰國家之留才攬才政策競爭力比較以及我國少子女化對策單位 |
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1972.944 |
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以及與主要國家作法之比較,即我國採行改制之可行性等案進行備詢．以報告。」那敬請各位委員不吝執政。 |
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1986.632 |
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2003.677 |
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我國我以幾個大的部分來做一個簡易的報告第一個是我國人口的變遷的趨勢那這幾年因為人口有了很大的結構化的改變各國都遇到類似的問題那2024年聯合國的報告全球已經有四分之一 |
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2017.162 |
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的國家或地區面臨到人口的負成長,包括我國、日本、韓國、中國、泰國等鄰近國家也都面臨人口的負成長的情形。那我國人口數將會從預估本會的預估是從2024年 |
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的2340萬人將會減至到2027年的1497萬人,那將會減少844萬人,其中0到14歲的幼兒人口數預計會減少171萬。15到64歲的青壯年,也就是我們最重要的工作人口年齡層,會減少920萬。 |
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那這將會造成未來在工作與稅收都會有很大的影響65歲上的老人則會增加248萬也就是被必須被照顧的人會增加可以照顧的人減少那人口高齡化已經變成一個國家面臨的很重大的一個課題我想已經連續兩任總統都提出來這是國安危機那2024年全球已經有40個國家和地區邁入了高齡化社會 |
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包括日本、德國、法國等 |
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也將明年加入高齡化社會的行業。65歲以上的老人佔比將會超過20%,在2027年甚至會增加到46.5%。」那針對這個情形,我們現在有什麼樣的政策?第一個我們的做法是參考了國際的做法,然後以日本作為比較主要的仿效。然後由政務委員協調我國少子化的人口因應對策。 |
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那這個對策呢其實幾個參考的做法那日本於2007年在內閣設置了少子化的這個擔當大臣那由這個擔當大臣來負責少子化所有的相關工作那跟措施那韓國在2006年則成立了第一生育與高齡社會委員會透過跨部會的討論 |
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來解決少子化與高齡化的相關議題,那因為日本的執行成效顯然比較好,所以我國參考的是日本少子化單單大成的機制,由行政院指派中委員進行跨部會的協調,那目前本屆政府是由陳時中政委 |
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來召集各部會包括教育部、衛福部、勞動部、國安會等單位來進行這樣的一個少子化的議題的相關的政策的呼應的對應。目前整個人口政策的分工我們在報告書上製作了一個表格大概我們目前有五大政策第一個是全方位的支持國人生養 |
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第一個是擴大平價優質的育兒服務也就是我們希望做到0到6歲國家一起養那這裡面有也提供了高育兒的這個醫療照顧的措施也有強化幼兒友善職場分別由教育部、衛福部、內政部、勞動部來負責那相關的法令也有我國少子 |
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少子女化的對策與計畫。」那這個是從2018年整個計畫是一個中長期計畫2018年一直到2025年到明年是一個段落那另外我們在質量並進充裕人才部分我們也利用提高勞動生產力的方式透過數位化的方式去降低勞動力的需求提升企業的競爭力這個部分來講 |
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只要有經過比較好的工業4.0的導入大部分的企業可以減少50%的勞動力需求那這個對勞動未來的人口政策是很大的幫助那另外我們也積極的擴大勞動參與率把提高在中高齡的就業以及婦女重返職場作為我們主要的目標那同時也強化這個新世代的人才所需要的教育方法那這個部分由經濟部、速發部、勞動部、教育部等來負責 |
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相關的法令有中高齡者及高齡者就業促進法。依據這個法,我們也訂定了中高齡及高齡就業者促進計畫,那是2023年到2025年。此時也同時訂定了婦女在就業計畫,鼓勵婦女重返職場。另外,我們也投資了青年就業方案,同時現在正在研議的是壯士代措施與規劃。 |
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那同時我們也帶動了台灣AI行動計畫希望能夠帶動這樣的事情也同時本會在今年也完成了國家認財競爭力要生方案2024年到2027年的中長年計畫所以這幾個計畫都會支持以上這些工作那同時我們擴大隨著老年化的來臨我們擴大照顧量能持續去協助照顧量能那這個量能除了我們有長照的 |
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的制度的再進化到3.0然後呢我們建立20小時重度失能者的支持以外我們同時也導入智慧科技的部分來協助所以這個部分也會在我們AI計畫裡面我想未來在機器人上面的投資在這方面很重要所以我們也從此有長照長期照顧10年計畫2017年到2026年計畫 |
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主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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那這幾個政策都有負責的部會在進行那接下來報告我們現行的留才攬才政策因為留才攬才政策是本會負責的我們跟亞鄰國家的比較那我們將進行一個說明 |
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我們現在的政策裡面呢第一個在我們本會負責的是中高階人才所以我們以提升勞動生產力為主訴求來降低對市場的需求的壓力那我們以國科會跟這個速發部共同在將會推動一個 |
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臺灣AI行動計畫,我們希望透過這樣的計畫降低整個提升整個產業職場環境的工作效率,降低對人力的需求。第二個部分,我們擴大勞動力的來源,我們會強化人才培育的管道, |
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然後滿足我國的產業需求。目前我們有兩個方式在進行,一個是從學校教育裡面在既有的科系裡面強化以外,我們也提供了非數位相關科系的人去透過STAND的方案來改善他自己的技能 |
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我們預計一年可以提升這個部分的人力可以達到10萬那我們目前累積到現在2028年累積到現在也有了45萬人次的Stand-in才那我們也鼓勵了10萬的國際生來臺就學到目前為止那我們希望擴大僑外生的方案來增加那目前已經達到每年2萬以上了那這些我們目前留才率已經達到了48.1% |
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所以將來我們希望把它拉到六成更高也因此我們也協調了這個教育部我們將來在明年開始我們在每個學校設立就業輔導員來協助這些僑外生在臺工作增加我們臺灣本地所需要的勞動力另外我們也擴大勞動力來源增強中高齡所謂的壯士代的人力需求這個勞動部已經訂定了中高齡及高齡就業者的出行計畫目前也在實施中也甚至有中高齡者的這個 |
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就是壯士戴責的這個就業輔導機制也有。另外,我們希望擴大我們的婦女勞參率,因為我們的中高齡就業率跟婦女攬差率相較韓國、日本等國,我們是相較低的。我認為這裡可以有機會促進10萬名以上的就業機會提供就業人才進來。海外人才的部分,最近我們也參考了日本、新加坡、英國等國的攬才 |
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策略,我們訂定了一個國家人才競爭力躍升方案裡面,去完善在國際攬才跟建構留才的一個機制。國際攬才的部分,我們擴大攬才管道,我們除了跟教育部的合作橋外生之外,我們還有新型專班,然後我們同時有國外直接攬才等方案,同時我們正在 |
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做法規的鬆綁希望透過鬆綁的方式讓大家更容易進來而且留下來那這個法案我們預計在下個禮拜會送出做這個公開預覽然後我們希望12月有機會送到 |
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大院來進行討論。另外我們建構完善的留才生態系,主要是我們做了一個調查去了解這些外國人來這邊怎麼樣才能夠留下來。我們做了一個完整的調查,我們透過我們調查的結果,目前正在改善整體的生態環境,包括食衣住行等方面,我們都在 |
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進行各種工作希望能夠協助。」那關於跟鄰國的這個各國的做法呢我們有一張表已經附在我們的報告書裡面那裡面詳述了日本、新加坡、英國等主要的做法大家對於高級人才、頂尖人才、數位牧民等方面那數位牧民是我們今年比較大的新的做措施因為全球有3千5百萬那我們現在已經跟兩個縣市合作將會在11月我們就會有記者會公告然後呢進行 |
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進行推廣,然後我們也開始會跟日本進行一個交流合作,大家互相這個交換意見跟經驗,然後呢締結聯盟,然後讓我們的數位人才機會比較大,那以目前最近的有一篇報導裡面,我們臺灣的數位人才是亞洲這個數位牧民的環境裡面是亞洲排名第一,所以我們希望利用那個優勢趕緊把這樣的人拉進來,然後也透過這樣的人才去 |
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提供我們未來數位創新的基礎。」那第三最後是我們持續會觀察人口相關的變化那為了積極應變這樣的變化其實我們在院會年尾我們開了非常多次的會議希望能夠盡量在少子化方面我們能夠守住現在的狀況再來談進化所以我們會積極擴大人工生殖這個的補助對象延長育嬰留職 |
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以及挺心津貼在勞動市場面我們擴大中高齡及婦女的勞參然後吸引全球的優秀人才持續厚植產業人才的培育在經濟產業方面積極應用AI等方面讓產業能夠快速升級 |
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然後也降低對產業能力的需求在財政方面也因應未來納稅人口將會減少社會福利支出增加的部分我們也在商討如何去改善這個部分另外在社會環境部分我們也開始研議未來超高齡社會所需要的醫療與照顧能量我們透過智慧化的方式來改善甚至我們希望能夠透過預防醫療的方式 |
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總統推出《健康台灣》的政策,我們希望在醫療前能夠讓大家有更好的身體。這些方式我們現在都會每季或每半年進行檢討,尤其是滾動式。人口的部分我們目前是每一季由陳時中委員在帶動進行檢討。所以 |
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面對這樣的關鍵時刻,我們也也謝謝立法院那麼關心這件事情,我們也希望大家一起可以共同來努力,讓我們的經濟跟社會的韌性變得更好。那我們也希望在立院的協助之下,我們可以讓各項相關的政策能夠能夠推展比較順利,那相關的預算也能夠比較得到相當的支持。那這樣的話呢,我們兩院聯手呢,可以這個衝浴產業的發展所需要的人才 |
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與人力提升我國的競爭力,讓我們的社會未來更穩定更健康。」 |
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所以我請回座因為國化會議是屬於這個政策的規劃協調管考機關那目前是由陳時中啊政委擔任召集各部會的協調那主政單位還是併集在各部會包括教育部、衛福部主要是教育部、衛福部跟勞動部今天我請衛福部來周首長來進行報告重點報告 |
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教委以及各位委員大家早安以及委員會各位女士先生今天陳委員會邀請衛福部緊就再辦理我國少子女化對策計畫的部分其中有關涉及到與衛福部比較相關的幼兒照顧 |
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及兒童健康權益保護以及友善生養部分相關的作為,做一個簡單的口頭報告。首先,在0到2歲幼兒全面照顧的部分,衛福部這邊在112年開始,對於不管是生育津貼或者是托育補助的部分,我們大家都已經取消了牌幅的限制,只要是有生養子女的,都可以領取 |
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相關的津貼或者是補助那其中在預約津貼的部分也在112年它的這個津貼的費用從2500每個月2500塊調到5000塊那在托育補助的部分1000在113年今年開始其中它如果是送到公共化的公托的部分那每個月的補助金從每個月5500塊調到7000塊那如果送到私營的總公托那則是從每個月8500塊調到13000塊 |
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與亞鄰國家之留才攬才政策競爭力比較：一、邀請國家發展委員會主任委員會主任委員會首長就 |
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托育照顧的比例從1比5要能夠調降到1比4能夠去調升它的比例那對於這類機構的人員跟薪資以及各類輔導人的薪資我們也都會激動的來做調控來注意他們的薪資以及市場狀況來維持整個照顧的服務的水平那另外在兒童健康以及全醫、兒童健康跟醫療照護的部分那我們也推動了有關優化兒童醫療照護的計畫那 |
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衛福部一共補助了八處核心醫院來成立兒童重難罕症的焦點團體有補助三個重症的轉運專業團隊以及一處困難診斷疾病的平臺另外,還有九家醫院來設置周產期母嬰醫療中心來專責協助有關高危險妊娠以及新生兒家戶照護的工作 |
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那另外在112年11月開始我們也將全面將所有新生的幼兒能夠三歲以下的幼兒全部納入三歲以下幼兒的專責醫師制度那國內現在一共有1276家的院所2837位的相關的醫師來投入這樣的一個對新生兒以及幼兒的服務那另外在社會安全網線上的求助平臺我們也補助了 |
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國內12家醫院來辦理兒少保護的醫療整合中心來防止兒少的虐待以及疏忽。另外在擴充發展遲緩兒童的社區療癒服務提早早療的療癒補助還有輔助貧困弱勢家庭的自立協助兒童少年未來教育發展帳戶等等開戶人數也達到43萬人開戶率達到這些兒童的65% |
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也就是差不多接近三分之二那在友善生養措施的部分衛福從110年7月起就已經開始擴大不孕症治療的補助那這個到一般的不孕夫妻那已經到目前為止已經成功產下2.13萬名新生兒那也補助孕婦的產檢從原來的10次提高到14次 |
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有一次提高到三次,而且也新增了妊娠糖尿病以及貧血的檢驗,讓母親在懷孕的過程,她的健康能夠有更高的保障。那縱觀各國在對於提車生育率的對策,基本上大概都是朝向從多元方式來著手,也大概不 |
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不完全是透過單一的部會或者單一的政策那衛福在這個角色上面我們除了提供了包括現金的給付那我們還是會從這個比較良好的醫療照顧體系我們這邊會持續的來做相關的努力那也會持續的跟相關所有在有關少子化計畫裡面相關的部會我們一起就整體的政策一起配合來推動相關的 |
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各種各樣的育兒措施能夠給育兒的家庭最大的支持以及奧元讓我們年輕一代的父母親能夠趕婚、怨生以及樂養那衛福部、城、大院以及各位委員會的指導與監督在這邊謹誌謝誠並請各位委員持續給予衛福部相關的監督與指導以上報告謝謝好謝謝衛福部周市長的報告來請回座下一位請教育部由張妙慧金次長做報告 |
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主席、各位委員先生大家好今天我們來應邀列席貴委員會那我們針對我國少子女化現況及對策計畫成效部分這個部分我們來進行報告那麼以下就先從二至六歲幼兒教育及照顧之推動情形 |
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提出重點說明,也請各位指教。首先是在兩歲到六歲的幼兒教育及照顧之辦理情形方面,透過五項作為來建立平價、優質跟普及的托育服務體系。目前五項作為分別是一、擴大公共化及准公共托育能量 |
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那麼從106年到113年起我們累計增加了3699班那麼在公共化的方面那麼同時結合準公共機制符合一定條件的私立幼兒園合作那麼增加教家長的選擇評價就學場域的機會從在113年 |
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現在已經有2039家私立幼兒園來參與那麼113年度合計公共化及準公共幼兒園一共提供超過50萬個評價就學名額那麼就來比較方面就是實行前我們已經增加了32.4萬個評價就學機會那麼第二個面向是在減輕家長的經濟負擔那麼分別對於就讀功力 |
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非營利及準公共幼兒園者家長每月的繳費不超過三千元,就是所謂的公利一千、非營利兩千、準公幼三千、一二三的政策。那麼對於中低及低收入戶的家庭子女就許是完全免費。那麼對於未接受公共化及準公共教保服務者每月發給幼兒津貼 |
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五千元,第一胎五千元,第二胎六千元,第三胎七千元,那麼在一百一十二年一月起也取消了育兒津貼的牌付,那麼第三個面向是完善托育時間,那麼除了托育的服務之外,從一百一十三年今年的一月起推動公立幼兒園平日課後延長照顧服務時間以及寒暑期的加托服務,那麼採定額繳費的方式辦理 |
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不足的費用則由本部與地方政府共同編列經費予以協助目前已經超過9成的公立幼兒園已經開辦從今年的8月起在45處的公共化幼兒園示範臨時照顧服務第四個面向是優化調整私生比就是我們大院所關心的幼兒園希望能夠朝向1比12 |
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主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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幼兒園的園長、教師及教保員一年之區分為三個級距,每月基本薪資至少三萬三千兩百元起,並且一年之再提高,園方也應該要訂定調薪的機制,共同調升薪資待遇。」除了這五大面向之外,其實在測競作為方面,針對都會區及公共化供應量不足的地方 |
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家長對於兩歲專班的就讀需求非常大,持續協助各地方政府來增設公共化幼兒園及兩歲專班,目前也跟內政部營建署合作,在社會住宅內提供空間設置公共化幼兒園,以加速都會區設置公共化幼兒園,以及增加兩歲專班的供應量,預計在今年起到115年,我們可以增設兩歲專班200班, |
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那麼最後呢,要感謝各位委員關心二、兩到六歲的幼兒教育照顧以及推動的情形跟成效那麼為了減輕家庭育兒負擔本部將持續配合少子女化計畫持續由上開育兒支持措施建立平價優質及普及的托育服務體系健全友善成長環境的政策精神以上報告,敬請各位委員指教,謝謝好,謝謝教育部長、廖文堅次長的報告 |
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接著請勞動部、勞動部發展署、黃副署長報告重點 |
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主席、委員各位先進大家好本部應邀列席進行報告上請各位指教本部配合衛福部推動少子女化對策以及國發會留才攬才政策採行了各項具體措施首先針對少子女化部分我們採行了滾動檢討育兒相關的制度現行在性別平等工作法裡面其實已經有一些產價 |
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以及相關措施的規定,包括留職停薪,得以不低於30天的期間向僱主提出,但是為了建構更友善的職場環境,本部在今年採行了彈性育嬰留職停薪的試辦原則,以5天或7天的這個低門檻,育嬰留職停薪的彈性措施進行試辦,預計試辦到今年年底,我們希望透過這次的實作,能夠作為未來政策參考。」 |
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第二是推動企業的設置普及乳式托兒設施除了提供企業相關的經費補助,我們也在今年8月修法提高了托兒設施最高的補助額度來到500萬此外,今年也補助了普及乳式、托兒設施以及措施576家,補助金額2900餘萬 |
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第三是強化育嬰留職停薪期間的經濟支持從110年7月起我們另外以公務預算的方式加給了兩成的薪資補助目前加碼來到八成薪截至今年8月底已經補助了近29萬4千餘人合幅金額108億 |
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另外,在留才攬才方面,我們也採行了三項措施一、針對延攬外國專業人才本部許可外國專業人才從事專門及技術性工作,到目前已經有5萬餘人此外,經會商經濟部、經管會衛福部等以修法擴大製造業、金融業、政企會等相關的工作範圍並且新增了外國人也可以從事設公司 |
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第二、加強留用畢業僑外生留台工作僑外生取得副學士以上經過評點制可以留台那我們在今年的6月14號進一步的再公告增加了實習跟獎助學金都可以調高他的配分此外也刪除了僑外生留台的人數上限目前留台的人數已經來到了一萬六千餘人 |
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未來要進一步的規劃放寬畢業僑外生可以申請個人式工作許可。」第三是擴大禁用中階技術人力目前已經有開放6年以上的資深移工以及僑外生可以符合一定的技術條件、薪資水準就可以從事製造業、營造業等中階技術工作目前已核准了3萬5千餘人 |
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為了進一步配合擴大留用僑外生,我們8月份再開放僑外生可以從事旅宿業。此外,也在會商各相關機關以及因應產業需要 |
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我們進一步的將在開放畢業僑外生可以從事醫院照護所、艙處理貨、貨車駕駛、隨車助理、公路及市區客運駕駛以及管理安全人員等等這六類的中階技術工作,我們也預計在今年年底會完成修法。未來也將持續配合國發會留才攬才的相關措施以及攬才專法的修正,共同擴大境外中階技術人力的延攬。以上報告,敬請不吝指教。謝謝。 |
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謝謝勞動部的報告我們先來確定意思錄請問在場各位同仁上次會議意思錄有錯誤沒有的話我們就意思錄確定另外行政院人事總處所提書片報告請委員進行參與並刊登公報那 |
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今天的報告雖然有兩岸,我們何必進行詢問?委員事併前,主席原理做以下宣告,每位委員發言時間本會委員6分鐘,必要延長2分鐘,非本會委員4分鐘,我們在上午10點30分即時發言登記,為了讓會議進行能夠順利,兼顧每位委員發言時間的公平性,避免影響消費委員發言的權益 |
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請質詢的委員於經時間結束之後停止發言。若繼續發言的話,那主席會制止。還請各位同仁能夠配合。感謝。」好,來,第一位質詢請林黛樺委員。有請劉組委。國會劉組委。 |
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林委員早好 各位這個本席認為整個涉及11個政府部門所提出的少子化政策就是兩個字叫無感所以導致了少子化的狀況是日趨嚴重你們從不提本國在全世界少子化的排名我們現在倒數第二名跟韓國倒數第一名只差0.01 |
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所以我本席認為所有的各部會當中誰講得最好誰爬出得最清楚叫做人事行政總處人事行政總處的最後一段少子化成因交織複雜涉及價值觀、經濟壓力如何兼顧育兒及就業育兒等面向其關鍵在於這句話是重點啦其關鍵在於所提對策能否切合 |
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並有效改善,並非單一部會能夠處理。」你們所有其他各部會都講說只強調一點這不是單一部會可以處理的所以都大概我就做我的那成效如何我不管所以現在的少子化政策叫什麼既沒有契合問題也沒有改善問題 |
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好 主委先回答本席三個問題第一個衛福部106年成立少子化辦公室目前少子化辦公室有沒有運作第二個行政院下有沒有少子化辦公室第三個520之後我們少子化的對策開了幾次會回答 |
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跟委員報告少子化辦公室已經移到行政院在運作那目前是有在運作那我們在公布人口報告的時候我們總共開了三次會議五二零之後嗎關我的報告公告前我要提升到行政院層次五二零之後 |
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五二零之後我參與過三次針對這個報告但五二零之前因為我沒有參與到五二零之後本席所掌握的是十二次報告十二次您在爬樹下本席所掌握的陳時中就十月一號開過一次會五二零之後好那所以現在行政院下有少子化辦公室這個實質的這個辦公室嗎那招集人叫做政委嗎 |
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目前是所以有少子化辦公室那這個你來那這個本席認為嚴重的原因在低薪是導致少子化的問題何部長講到這個10月17號勞動部月薪3萬1以下是屬於低薪這也將影響到120萬的勞動力 |
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那勞動力呢既然是逐漸下降勞動的供給我們供需勞動力的供給減少那薪資理論上是要增加的可是是沒有的所以各級企業面臨嚴重的勞動力短缺生產力當然有限那低薪我講的是實質所得 |
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所得導致少子化的問題日趨嚴重所以年輕人口的減少導致企業招聘困難特別是在勞動密集型的產業形成企業競爭力的下降所以產業與國力就是陷入惡性循環 |
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所以在整個尤其各部會講的時候呢你們都不講生育這件事情了你們都不講你們只講留才攬才花了很大的以及高齡人口那這個如何生育如何支持生育這件事情是沒講的好 |
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少子化辦公室在行政院下我認為他也孤掌難鳴從衛福部的少子化到你現在行政院的少子化辦公室卓院長在這個院會當中他也直接講少子案是國安議題 |
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國安議題啊所以你們在行政院下的這樣開會的頻率跟主責單位那政委不在我們立法院報告的啊不接受民意的那個啊的提點的啊那他怎麼會是個國安議題呢你們把國安把你們是末世少子漢是國安議題你把少子漢這樣國安議題是把國安議題當作塑膠 |
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所以少子化的議題那我請問你國發會跟陳時中是什麼關係?國發會這個單位跟少子化辦公室的召集人陳時中政委是什麼關係?你們做什麼事?我們是在他的整個規劃方案裡面我們負責國外的攬才 |
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國外的攬才 國外的攬才這件事情所以你看今天召委很用心希望對於少子化這樣國安題提出來結果請了國發會做主責你只負責攬才 |
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所以那到底我們要對整個行政院國安體我們怎麼質詢呢?我跟委員報告是這樣喔我上來之後其實我們也主動的做了這個人才競爭力的白皮書那我們也把各部位把各部位把人才需要全部整合我先不講競爭力我先要增加人數對人數我們現在就是跟勞動部也一起合作對你就留才攬才嘛不只不只我們現在也在所以你講生育是嗎? |
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民眾無感的政策導致問題擴大。第一個少子化政策偏重於幼兒的照護跟關懷第二個缺乏勞動政策支持與租稅優惠 |
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第三、小孩不會因為照顧條件變好就自己蹦出來所以本席認為你所有的政策如果這是政委的政委在主導本席認為在婚配年輕化以及父母生育的誘因一定要提高這兩個這兩個才是正解 |
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這兩個你沒下去我們現在都是30歲以後32歲以後女性的生育的黃金其實有極限的所以我們婚配的年輕化如何去獎勵我們父母的生育的誘因怎麼提高這個是要加強的好我們就看新加坡既然你們講到新加坡我覺得你們也沒講到重點第一個這在本期的總諮詢也提過在6月18號新加坡我認為這幾個特色在生育的部分21到35歲單身女性忍動卵子 |
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第二、生育環境母親的有薪假應該在延伸16週附近的有薪陪產假4週好再來所得稅的減免因為我們你們也提說要這個婦女職業婦女啊所以你的第一胎要減少母親的總收入的15%第二胎你要減少他的總收入減免他的免稅額總收入20%第三胎以後減免他25%甚至可以到60% |
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主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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百分之七五的經濟我們就補下去啦所以你們沒有針對生育的部分去做誘因啊好我具體建議第一個院會正式你要既然您是國發會統籌各部會本席要求您在院會要正式提案行政院底下成立專責的少子化委員會辦公室提升到委員會至於這個委員會要不要比照你國發委員會編制內的 |
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大陸委員會也好,你要成為公共工程委員會也好,或者你行政院以下等同性平委員,至少幕僚機構,召集人就是院長啊,幕僚的主責可以是陳時中啊,你至少有一個委員會正式的運作,怎麼會是5月5、20之後到現在陳時中才開一次會,10月1號才開一次會,這哪是國安議題啊。第二個,盡快嚴厲少子化,白皮書 |
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好,這白皮書要針對幾點?針對孕婦所需心理的諮商、生理的理療、產前的準備價甚至生育所得稅的減免鼓勵生育啊第二個,比照新加坡評估婦女生育所得稅的減免優惠第三,青年購屋如果提高青年早婚的意願青年住宅結合少子化的政策一、生育子女數給不同的優惠完全不需要抽籤 |
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只要你願意生你青年也早一點結婚我們不需要抽籤讓青年能夠安穩定居第四個用國家的力量宣揚家庭的價值不分性向不分性別宣揚家庭的價值結合少子化的政策推動家庭的這個家庭日不是節日那這個主委你怎麼看呢?好我簡單回應委員的建議我會找我會直接找院長報告好非常好我會給你一個答覆好謝謝 |
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好,謝謝領導委員。主委請回座。消費資源請邱益穎委員。好,謝謝主席。我先請一下國發會。請國發會劉主委。 |
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今天我們要來討論這個少子化的議題我想這個國發會你們最新發布的這個人口推估到2070年的時候我們的生產者跟老年人口的比例將到達1對不對這個是你們最新的一個版本你不要告訴我你沒看過是的沒錯好 |
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來那也就是說其實在臺灣的這個少子高齡化的趨勢其實是在快速的擴大當中所以如果這樣子照你們現在的推估到2070年臺灣將會減少大概903萬的人口應該是920萬我們的數字你們的數字是920萬7年 |
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主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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但是西歐跟美國、澳洲等等這些國家其實他們的少子化的趨勢是比較和緩請教一下你們有沒有去做過研究這些國家為什麼他們有辦法維持這樣子的生育率雖然生育率是不像台灣、韓國、新加坡、日本的生育率是這麼低 |
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他們有沒有什麼值得我們借鏡的地方?你們有沒有去做過研究? |
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在歐美婚生子女是比較少一點很多人不見得要結婚就生小孩了我先談到錢的部分您剛講到這個錢的部分我們的內閣其實對於少子高齡化有一些新的政策比如說我們的育兒津貼0到6歲國家一起養2.0兩歲的專班 |
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讓你看一下這個未來的預算增加不只是0到6歲國家跟你一起養青少年的這個預算增加了44億從教育部、衛福部到勞動部等等這個留職、停薪育兒的津貼都增加婦女的生育率我們也希望婦女的生育率能夠增加所以我們的人工生殖技術的補助等等 |
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這一些錢就是您剛講的都要錢嘛政府用大量的補助增加的補助去給他們沒錯那我請教一下現在你的這個所謂的少子化對策計畫294億有沒有總預算沒有那您剛講的這些補助在哪裡錢從哪裡來需要預算通過而且不只這個金額我們未來財霸法包括依照現在的 |
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這個在野黨的版本中央會少掉4000億喔只剩下3600億的錢那我們剛剛講的這些補助會很難解決沒有的話那你的少子化問題就會越來越嚴重嘛你最基本的錢的補助 |
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前不能通過的時候沒有預算沒有錢你後面的那些你講的那個風氣啦文化啊那個其實跟台灣還有很大段的距離但是眼前我們可以提高生育率我們可以提高對於孩子們的養育津貼的這個部分沒有錢啊那怎麼做 |
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所以少子化這個議題它跟我們的總預算也是牽扯非常的廣泛那剛剛其實也有委員一直在講說我們不談提高生育率我們一直講留才攬才其實主委我要接下來跟您請教這個部分我是不是也請一下這個勞動部跟教育部好不好 |
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呃、教育部請張教次長、勞動部首長、勞動部我們一直在談留才攬才這件事啊 |
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剛剛這個勞動部也特別報導從8月份開始僑生可以從事旅宿業的服務工作 對不對未來我們還要增加醫院的照護輔助人力倉儲人力貨車駕駛助理以及這個客運駕駛的安全管理人力的問題我們要利用這些所謂的僑外生來增加我們的人力來補足我們的人力缺口是不是這樣這是勞動部的政策嘛 |
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來接下來我要請教一下到底這一些橋外生他是學生是喬生還是學工 |
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我為什麼會這樣問?你看明年這個教育部應該有掌握明年有三萬個私立的高中職的學生裡面每四個就有一個是所謂的僑生僑生要到台灣來上課他必須通過基礎的華語文測驗對不對?次長那個張亮次長你知道嗎?但是你知道現在這一些僑生 |
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來這個是監察院最新的報告我們剛剛講僑委會從103年開始擴大所謂的產學攜手合作僑生專班3加4112年的招生人數是4069人到目前為止有畢業了三屆次長您看一下這個畢業率這一些學生來念書之後他的畢業率到最新的這屆是25.51 |
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就說這些學生來念書可是他念到一半以後他就退學了真正能夠念到畢業的只有25%真正留在台灣的4000多人裡面真正能夠留在台灣的也不過才幾百人這到底是什麼樣的問題 |
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是教育的問題呢還是說你們當時招生的時候其實只是為了找一些學工來並不是真的要讓他們在這裡念書求取知識然後甚至多學一些技能來留下來我我 |
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我去做一個調查,包括有一篇報導他說這些孩子們其實雖然來這裡念書但他們的中文能力其實跟我們的認知是有很大的落差的來,次長 |
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跟委員報告其實橋委會也針對這個事情也來教育部這邊也來跟我們討論其實很重要的一個問題就是語言的適應的問題就是說他的那個語言能力所以他現在這個比較變通的辦法就是在將來他在海外設立基地都是希望說來台灣前他的那個語文能力能夠達到一定的程度可是市長他來台灣前不是已經有通過了基礎的語文測驗嗎就是A1就是自打到A1 |
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所以A1是很低的level就是了那他如果是這樣他來台灣比如說來台灣上課的時候學校是不是要能夠因材施教比如說你的中文程度到什麼樣的程度我應該要讓你多一點或是應該怎麼樣去教導你那你的這些僑生他有可能是在職業學校跟他的技職有相關的中文的學習專有名詞的學習是不是也應該要多一點 |
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還是說阿就像放牛板那樣親菜阿啦?我想委員你的建議非常好其實我們那個僑委會的那個委員長來拜訪的時候我們就提過這個他其實語言的適應方面還有這個生活適應的方面都會相關這部分我們會一起來檢討那希望將來的那個留在台灣適應的能力、語言的能力都能夠提高 |
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這個其實會跟未來勞動部你要再開放各個不同的產業其實是有更正相關如果他在語言能力上面你比如說去做照護員他在語言能力的理解上是有很大的落差的話他根本沒辦法做好這個工作他當貨車的駕駛他連中文都看不懂中文字看不懂他要下高速公路要下哪一個路口要左轉右轉他都看不懂的話那你很難在這樣的一個行業裡頭去 |
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去達到我們要的這個人力目標。」所以我想這個部分可能要請勞動部跟教育部甚至僑委會都要在多方的再去配合好嗎?好,謝謝好,謝謝邱盈盈委員請回座下位質詢請呂玉玲委員 |
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謝謝主席請劉主委請國發會劉主委劉委員長主委本席過去針對這個少子化的問題有跟我們諸委國發會的諮詢的很多次那因為畢竟我們對這個整個這個 |
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無法扭轉人口結構少子化的問題所以造成我們國家總體競爭力的下降有關在教育方面的話整個私校的退場會越來越多有關在勞動力方面的話就業人數越來越少也等於是說產業會有更多的缺工跟高齡化的問題 |
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主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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面臨的這個整個少子化的這個問題的因素是非常的複雜那尤其是我們看到了這個年輕人現在是越來越晚婚甚至不婚在這種情況之下也包括我們的物價房價都一直高漲包括的這個育兒津貼 |
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與亞鄰國家之留才攬才政策競爭力比較．暨我國與亞鄰國家之留才攬才政策競爭力比較． |
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目前的確像委員講的我們的確有晚婚的現象跟不婚的現象現在是我們的調查事會年齡目前看起來是超過51%是不婚選擇不婚的確可是那個主委那個我們對這個人口推估的這報告在10月17號你們已經報告出來了那你報告出來的話因為我們是每兩年就做一次報告這個更新的是非常的高那但是這一次我們看到 |
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這個數字出來的時候是比2022年還要不樂觀欸是不是因為你把國際的趨勢也納入了關係的確我們這次生育率的確是降了0.1個百分比然後出來的結果是這個數字那基本上我們是覺得我們的推估模型應該算是夠精準了 |
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是對我們看到這個少子化已經成為是國安的這個問題那出生率就是非常的重要那尤其是我們看到這整個報告到2030年的低估這個我們整個來看的這個低估值就將近是11.2 |
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的二萬人出生率尤其是少估了1.1萬人如果2018年的少子化我們也針對於少子化對策來講我們有針對像我們要擴大教保的能量服務或是我們托育的更要補助再來做加碼尤其是我們就學的學費我們也一直在降低跟育兒津貼還有最重要的就是我們生養的意願的問題這個都是我們 |
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國發會你們都有考量進去的部分嗎?現在是政府的政策裡面0到6歲國家一起養的部分現在是可以補助到7000到13500那我也不瞞你說我們在兩禮拜前有再討論一下可不可以再把它增加可是這個增加的費用可能就會到500到1000億以上那我們目前是需要這個預算是沒辦法找到裁員 |
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來自國家養政策要出來你的對策計畫你就要適時的來做一個調整尤其是提高年輕人結婚率為什麼這樣講年輕人如果據統計我看到一些數字說90%的 |
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結婚的年輕人90%都會生小孩所以要鼓勵年輕人結婚那結婚的話就有房價的問題、物價的問題啊還有孩子生養的問題嗎還有一個更大的問題就是我們現在幾個調查下來比重最高的第一名是沒有找到他理想的結婚對象現在是比重最高在我們的各項調查沒有找到理想的對象對我們有兩個調查下來都是同一個問題 |
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這不是結婚的問題也是因素之一啊所以我說因素也很多啦但是我們可以協助幫忙的沒辦法幫他擇偶嘛那你是不是應該就在整個環境上給他們做一個改善包括我們要講的就像這個托育的問題啊這個環境他 |
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他只要結婚90%都會生小孩那生小孩就要養的問題嘛就托育的問題那就像我們桃園來講的話我們托育的這個公托的設施有49個實際收養的收托的人數有1518人在等待的就1778人這個是來等待的有很多市長說我排不到沒有來的還有更多這就表示我們這個公托的這個場域這設施是不夠的對不對 |
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這個問題我會來反映到那個像教育部然後來把您這個數字我們事後再跟您取得我們來看一下教育部這邊有沒有什麼可以協助的地方所以主委這一方面你們一定還要再加強這什麼對策這樣做一個調整包括我們剛剛講的就是救取的環境這等等部分好不好好謝謝主委那你請回我們請那個教育部的張次長教育部專調市長 |
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市長,我們就延續前面的話題這公托的環境、公托的設施非常不足那教育部這邊有沒有機會可能會增加?對,我們其實一直逐年在增加剛剛在報告裡面也提到這幾年來增加的比例已經讓公共化幼兒園跟准公幼兒園你準備增加多少?到50萬,現在超過50萬50萬?桃園會增加多少? |
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議員會主任委員會主任 |
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所以我也要就教一下次長因為我們現在對少子化很多學校招生不足尤其我們看到很多技職學校是更需要被我們教育部關心的尤其是我們產業跟這個技職的來講是個屬於合作的部分但合作的話在資產上也可以幫我們培養更多專業的人才 |
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那尤其是本席也跟我們教育部之前有提出了這個第二期的技職教育的再造計畫也是希望我們把整個技職教育環境可以得到更多的改善那我們可以看到就是很多的那個技大將近有招生停招部分的有17個科大這個招生的部分就有15間都是技職學校 |
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十七間大學停招十五間都是禁止學校在這種情形之下我們要怎麼樣來改善這個問題 |
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這個這樣少子化的情況下真的是會這個退場的那個現象還是會持續的這個是不可貴但是在整個教育部的政策上比如說即時教育問題我們現在在推那個新五專就是3加4其實這不是這樣子講的對對像那個產息2.0啦或者是那個我們對那個私立科大像那個私立學校都有補助那個學費所以我們認為說這個 |
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家長們都會擔心孩子畢業而夜夜找得到工作嗎所以很多在讀一般大學或者是普通高中的時候他們沒有專業的技術那畢業了可能就會失業所以我們在技術教育上要重新的來讓我們大家的家長跟孩子們那個價值觀的改善 |
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尤其是我們像我們高職的人數從2018年的36萬人一直到2023年剩下26萬人這短短的6年就少了10萬人所以我們在這邊建議在普通高中跟大學的時候我們計職教育的課程跟學程或是開專班來讓我們的計職能夠讓我們孩子有一定的這個計職教育的能量好不好對謝謝委員你的建議就是對接這個產業的需求我們會繼續來努力好不好那會後的資料我們會提供給委員謝謝 |
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李玉琳委員非常精準的質詢謝謝下一位質詢請張其凱委員 |
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阿謙、劉主委請國家劉主委張委員早所以我聽拜有問你國安基金是人民的納稅錢這每一分錢投資都非常重要而且就應該是對國家發展是正面的結果去投資的一個戰爭片已經不得當了第二個 |
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你會發現凌日供給這部片至少有六成的錢都是政府的資金那國發金是變成一個綠色的投資結果我說你要上相關的資料給我對不對你給我的資料是什麼是忘記了還是不敢給你給我的扣掉封面之後大概只剩下薄薄的三頁這個字這麼大你是什麼忘記了還是什麼不敢給我 |
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我當初跟你要的有這個投資的計畫書、申請書、營運的計畫書還有最重要的就當初你說文化部那邊只要審查對不對我說你審議的那個會議紀錄啊你要攤開給全民、給全民去檢視啊你這些東西都沒有給我捏你這樣拔薄的三頁左右裡面這個字這麼大 |
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真正講到內容的大概只有300字欸報告委員因為這個資料在文化部所以文化部的文策院昨天有到您辦公室跟您的主任有報告他會事後提供事後再提供他昨天有去承諾啦因為這個不在我們手上所以我們請他們來他花我們人民納稅錢花國發基金的錢欸 |
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你聽住這個進度好不好尤其有講到那個點那個很多民眾都在關心的國家發展基金人民的錢為什麼去投資一個戰爭片對我們經濟發展是好的嗎對外資來投資是好的嗎這個我同意所以我們也找了這個文化部希望他們將來是投資到產業上不是在影片上 |
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希望透過帶動產業的發展,不是投資影片。」 |
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這個文車院給你的也是你給我的一個資料說啊這個會議啊你們召開這個投資審查會議通過這個投資4170萬那個時間點我把它簽起來你看113年的今年對不對對今年3月26號是然後本席再去查你知道這個你投資的這家公司這個影片什麼時候開拍 |
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呃...我不知道因為我們也...我沒有...你看會不會...會不會覺得太奇怪3月15號就開拍欸這個影片在3月15號就開拍然後你國發基金通過給到時間是3月26嗯 |
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這個很正常 很多公司都是成立以後才來跟我們申請基金啊不會沒有成立就來申請不是 不是成立是開拍是開拍的時間欸你沒有資金到位你敢開拍喔這個以商業行為來講我想這個投資商自己會決定啊但是我因為我們並沒有介入到這件事裡面喔所以這看不見實吧 這不是常識吧這他自己要判斷問題是國發基金 |
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包括文化部要你除了有內線交易要不然你資金欸你的國發基金加上文化部給他的錢佔了這個部片投資的44%欸44%如果沒有到位一般人一般公司敢就開拍齁啊你還敢給他錢 |
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這是不是很離譜?委員狀況是這樣齁,因為我們這個錢給到了文化部以後是文化部在主導這件這個這個整合的規劃你不能每次我問你這個事情你都推給文化部啦這是你的,而且是人民的納稅錢委員我跟您報告齁,我們現在遲到你要去問清楚,問完之後你還是要詳細的,不是要跟北極報告我不是在幫全民會檢視嗎?我為什麼跟你要一個當初你開會的會議資料? |
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就攬開給全民看該不該投資現在不是只有立法院在盯著這個案子全民會判斷只有一個代表參加我們整個國發基金現在的遲到緣額只有29位其實他管理的量能是一兆多其實我們沒辦法每一個主委你不要講你的困難你要解決問題 |
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你是要解決問題的人你不要把問題丟出來給我們你發現有問題你要去解決好不好所以該給的東西該給全民跟立法院跟全民檢查來來我再問你一個更嚴重的問題這個片子到底是衛福先知或內線交易錢都沒有到位就開始拍了那更嚴重的啊你去看一下他這個內容是怎麼樣片子是什麼人民納稅錢去幫民進黨拍一個宣傳片嗎你看喔 |
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公司董事林錦昌陳水扁當過國安會陳水扁國安會執行委員、行政院政務委員、國安會副秘書長、蔡英文總統進行文稿、發言總顧問林錦昌有顧問沈柏洋 |
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民進黨立法委員、黑熊學院的創辦人兼院長、曹新成黑熊學院的這個贊助者、蘇紫瑩防衛者的兄弟、國防安全研究所的這個首長最特別的你看這個導演啊拍了一部片子叫賴清德總統競選的這個廣告再度上大家問啊我問你 |
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你的錢來自哪裡?人民嘛,對不對?投資的都是利有有的。這是不是人家很容易聯想嘛,就把人民的錢搬去幫民進黨拍的一個宣傳片嘛,是不是這樣子? |
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主委你後期...OK所以我為什麼要一個就是說不只立法院在監督我要求的是非常公正理性的我只要你把當初你開會的審查的這個紀錄攤開來你送到本期辦公室我們攤開來給全民來檢視好不好對這個昨天我們有帶文車院到貴辦公室其實他們會送過來因為開會在他們那邊開的所以他會把資料他有答應把資料送過去 |
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好OK最重要是把資料完整好不好用全民來做功德備啊看他們人民辛辛苦苦的每一分的納稅錢用到什麼地方去好不好好另外我們來談一個也是很重要的事情這個前瞻預算的第四期啊有一個很重要叫做綠營建設花了編列了多少錢綠營建設近年公正轉型關鍵戰略推動計畫編列了1億9千2百萬差不多兩億喔這個主要的 |
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主責機關就是你國發會嘛對不對那我們來看一下成效來第一個人均的這個碳排放啊一年要碳排多少12公噸臺灣經過國發會那麼努力還有剛剛這個計畫開2億結果我們的結果是什麼溫室氣體的排放量全世界倒死第四有這麼明顯嗎 |
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第二個也是很離譜的能源部門佔溫室氣體的排放從104年8乘5喔他不只沒有降喔所以你看一下我們的政府這麼努力結果我們的溫室氣體的排放量不只沒有降從8乘5還跳到110年的9成再看下一張能源部門裡面 |
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能源產業的碳排放量超過7成這比例也非常高我們再看下一頁這個是目前最嚴重的問題這目前最嚴重的問題全世界都在淨零碳排 |
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其實我們台灣一直在以廢在發電我很快跟委員報告我把它講完我把它講完你剛才的數字是2023年的數字下降非常多可是你沿用的是2022年2022年是成立這個計畫的第一年我剛剛給你的資料實際上是環境部的資料啦OK你如果有更新的 |
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我當時就是因為拿這個資料去執行過環境部結果得到的數據2023年是有的但因為他會lag兩年所以他們有一個毛菇數沒有最終實際數那麼看這個更重要的這個牽扯到我們的關係到全民的健康跟生命用化石燃料來發電你看喔在2005年的時候 |
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佔總發電量的75.5%：到了2003年,不只沒有降,反而是升高了,變81.8,這是很沒有面子的,對人民的健康、對人民的生命也是不利的。」 |
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所以另外一個大的問題我拜託主委去查一下好不好拜託一下這個事情很重要最大單一排放的來源就是台電對不對大家知道嗎我們法令這個修改裡面出現台電現在是不用繳碳費的民進的電廠也不用繳碳費的我提醒主委好不好為什麼要修碳費就是要減碳嘛對不對 |
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結果我們台電還有民間電廠竟然不用繳碳費,這個在歐盟沒有這種事情,在先進國家沒有,我最後做一個要求,我最後做一個Ending,來,好,第一個,不要獨落最大單一的排碳的這個大戶,台電是不是應該繳碳費,這個要好好去討論,包括有沒有土地民間電廠,他們為什麼不用繳碳費,這個要趕快去討論,第二個,不要一直在燒煤好不好,另外高碳排這些化石的燃料, |
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有問題,不能一直犧牲我們的健康,要怎麼樣把它降下來,注意力要去努力。」好不好?好,謝謝主委,謝謝主席,大家請回座來,下一位委員,請張家俊委員質詢主席,我想請主委請國安會劉主委 |
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劉主委早安張委員早今天我們在探討的這個少子化問題我想對一個國家來說人力即是國力人口代表著生產力跟競爭力那低迷的這個生育率將使我們國家的勞動力減少稅收減少社會支出增多 |
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學校體系崩潰包括社會撫養負擔加重嚴重的來說是讓我們走向滅國的危機啊所以請問國發會主委喔主委本席在10月7號的時候質詢您的時候曾問您說2024年的這個人口推估報告到底什麼時候會發布那您說10月17日那對於國發會說到做到本席給予 |
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高度的肯定,但是本席想詢問的是,方案及做法,那時候你告訴我說延遲上傳的理由是因為希望帶著方案與做法來面對,但是呢,在這一份人口推估報告中,本席翻了你們112頁的報告, |
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從頭到尾都沒有提出解決的方案只有在新聞稿裡面稍稍提及那今天的主軸如何解決少子化的問題原本期待是針對少子化國發會可以提出具體的政策手段跟目標但是大家不知道有沒有看今天的報告今天的書面報告竟然怎麼解決少子化的問題只有143個字 |
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只有143個字。」主委你可以說明一下嗎?我跟您報告我們其實開了幾個小型會議大型的跨部會議一個是在10月1號陳時中政委及和所有的部會相關部會一個重大的討論我們盤點了所有的內容希望大家進行改善的規劃 |
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然後呢我們在10月17號我國家發展委員會是一個跨部會的首長所以你現在在告訴本席就是說你們開的會議相當的沒有效率而且也提出具體的作為所以具體的作為是什麼過去16年過去16年兩任總統都提出這是國安問題 |
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我們不可能在兩個月內或是一個月內我們就可以馬上成為委員我們現在是基於這個方案上面我們進行優化優化我們算出來的錢呢大家一千億以上我們希望委員能支持我們預算來做這件事情預算當然只要你花的合理對國家有幫助我們沒有理由反對 |
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大家給你們時間就是希望國發會可以拿出誠意拿出你們的想法如何解決少子化的問題但是你們到目前你們到目前只寫了143個字搞不好你連143個字的內容 |
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主委搞不好都還不理解。」那我想這感覺就像是ChartGPT寫出來的就直接跟ChartGPT寫說整理出國際上各種解決少子化的方案就想交差了事這種態度呢似乎有一點太草率了本席覺得你們應該要再振奮一點 |
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委員在我們的報告裡面我們提到其實我們國家已經有10個相關的法令跟計畫正在進行中包括少子化、中高齡等等然後也提出了各部會的施政的主軸跟方向所以你現在這份報告是滿意的意思嗎你現在在告訴本席說你對於這份報告對於少子化只有提出143個字的建議你是滿意的囉 |
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我沒有這樣講,但是以今天報告的時間來講,我只能準備這麼多的資料。」是啊,那你如果不滿意的話,你要更努力啊,你要答應本席,答應我們委員會說,國發會應該更努力才對啊。檢報跟實際做的計畫是沒辦法一致的。那你現在告訴我,我現在就是親自讓你講,你講你現在目前針對少子化有什麼具體化的作為? |
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我們做了相當的分析我講幾個比較大的重點就是第一個我們過去並比較沒有太花時間在談結婚率的問題那我們現在看到結婚率的比重是比較低第二個延後生育所以結婚率你可以拿出什麼具體作為 |
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你講得非常好我們其實探討了非常久我們一直在debate一個事情父母解不掉小孩的問題國家有沒有能力解掉這麼多小孩的問題那我們只能解我們現在著重兩個方向第一個是想生有困難的譬如說0到6歲國家一起養包括我們強化對於不應證的解方包括我們再談到動亂的可能包括我們也會有新的法案讓 |
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坦白講,讓單身的婦女可以做人工受孕等等,我們希望先幫助想生的人生生。那我們現在跟您報告,去年有一萬多個小孩是因為不應證的補助而生出來的。」 |
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但是呢涉及的面向深度、廣度跟投入的資源真的是有待加強我希望說國發會既然你已經提出了那你要努力去爭取預算啊我們一定會支持但是你要說服其他的包括你行政院內部你要說服大家說為什麼這個這麼重要那你說到立法院來我們當然要支持啊因為這個力道真的是有待加強 |
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本席也清楚說全世界的已開發國家大部分都面臨著人口自然增加率降低甚至負數的問題甚至有一些已開發國家他們已經這個高於平均那我的意思就是說您知道 |
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有哪一些自然增加率不錯的國家是我們可以學習的那我們以加拿大為例好了就是政府鼓勵生育的政策我們是0至6歲國家養他們是0至17歲都國家養包括0至5歲每年最高補助是17.8萬台幣6至17每年是15萬台幣的補助這直接是由現金補助其他包括產價、育嬰價 |
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等有15週全新的產價這其實我覺得都是國發會可以參考的那我想就是這個可以借鏡的部分很多那主委同意嗎?這一點我同意那但是我們算過他要1000多億這個我們真的算過因為日本也是0到18歲每人每月是1萬日幣到3000萬日幣1000億你要想喔你要想喔我們普波台電已經4000億了 |
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而且是花在我們看不到的地方,這一千億我覺得如果你投資在少子化等級大大的支持你不要花在那種你去做非核家園你去做這個關閉核能廠然後讓我們無形中花這麼多錢然後對社會也沒有大大任何幫助你同不同意你同不同意說其實撥補台電的錢應該拿來投資在少子化上面 |
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二、邀請國家發展委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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我們其實就我瞭解當時是不希望電力太高的漲價去傷害到人民的利益我想大家都有這個想法那我們現在回到我們剛才談的少子化的利益你政策面影響到國家去對這個買單所以你覺得少子化投資1000億你覺得很多嗎? |
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不,我想法跟你一樣所以我很支持您的看法但是這個部分的財源不足如果有特別預算我覺得會比較容易就是我們回到這個報告本身明年我們即將進入老年化人口超過兩成的超高齡社會 |
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那四年後人口紅利就正式結束了甚至2070年我們臺灣會剩下不到1500萬的人那我們現在目前會面臨著社會福利縮水年輕勞動力匱乏甚至整個社會都失去活力現在臺灣就已經出現各級學校都招不到學生傳統產業缺工募賓而達不到目標的狀況國發會有什麼對策嗎? |
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我們可能用書面說明吧。」好,麻煩,謝謝。謝謝委員。謝謝張家俊委員。來,主委請回座。我們在鄭天才委員執行之後我們休息。接下來下一位執行委員請陳庭梅委員。 |
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謝謝召委,我們請主委。主委長我想這個議題是全世界的問題因為就像主委所說的它其實會造成我們的低出生率其實有很多因素那我們現在就要去盤整 |
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盤整說造成這些因素的原因那其實有時候我們在談這個議題我自己也是製造這個低出生率的原因之一因為我們都是單身那表示單身的女性也越來越多那單身的女性越來越多再加上這一個所謂雙薪家庭他會認為他的壓力過大 |
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他當要養一個小孩在養父母親他會覺得他的壓力過大所以這也是為什麼我們要提升所謂的長照從2.0到3.0從民進黨執政小英總統從300億到600億到明年預算已經到927億了就是這長照的部分也就是我們政府來幫他照顧爸爸媽媽 |
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讓他無後顧之憂而能夠把他的心力轉嫁在小孩子身上否則對於一個雙薪家庭確實照顧小孩在照顧到自己的長輩壓力確實很大而且他要照顧的可能是四個人可能是四個人 |
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所以在這樣的一個前提之下我們不斷的架構所有周邊的一個環境因素然後把這些環境因素減輕他們的壓力再回歸到所謂生小孩的議題那生小孩的議題我們也知道卓榮泰院長日前宣布說我們要落實0到6歲國家養的政策明年度要編列1082億的預算 |
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那其實我為什麼會強調這個就遺憾的是當我們在討論這個議題的時候我們不論是在長照3.0我們明年編了927億還是在0到6歲國家養的政策明年度編1082億不好意思 |
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這個預算現在還在空中飛因為它進不了我們的討論範圍裡面現在被擋住要被退回所以其實我們一直講的是你沒有預算來協助沒有減輕這些我們年輕一輩的壓力大家寧可選擇就是不去碰觸這個議題不要去生育 |
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所以你看我們在之前我們在所有國發會的資料裡面所看到的是我們不論做了很多的補助從托兒、托育到幼兒的補助基本上我們到2024年到目前為止我們的生育率還是一樣只有0.86 |
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就零點八六欸,低於一欸,但是這一段時間我們有沒有在做?有,如果沒有做了這些,可能生育率更低啊,是不是?可是另外一個方向大家會講說,啊有做嘛,但是這叫一向是正面思考,一向是負面思考。我們要講的如果沒有做這些動作,有可能生育率更低。 |
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年輕人、年輕朋友對政府越沒有信賴感越不敢生小孩所以可能會更低所以依照我們國發會自己所提供的資料你們在未來評估也都是低於一耶沒錯也是都低於一耶那我們到底有什麼政策再來 |
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我們所呈現的新生兒的人數依照人數比例人數來講2040年你們的預估是有可能低於10萬我們2024是新生兒人數就只有目前為止是13.1萬目前為止那如果再預估到2040是會低於10萬這數字是非常可怕的 |
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所以主委我們到底怎麼做我們該做的我們要再做那現在陳時中政委他有提出一個方向說政府是否可以嚴明育兒補助獎勵措施一個寶貝一個寶寶每個月補助三萬育兒補助你認為這個建議如何 |
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這個可以紓解年輕人對於養育小孩的壓力 |
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我覺得這是好的方向除了這個以外我們現在也希望他們可以優先取得社宅那第二個事情再來是我們希望協助他對照顧父母的壓力也紓解掉當然社宅是解決他住房的壓力居住的壓力叫居住正義那當有居住正義之後當有安定的一個家他才會去思考我是不是可以 |
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有機會去照顧我的下一代如果他居無定所當然就不會去思考我要去養育下一代所以這是聯動的所以從社會住宅從居住正義讓我們的年輕一輩可以有一個好的居住環境 |
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讓他去思考他可以再去養育下一代所以這是連帶的那現在所提出的包括我所講的從居住然後再長照幫他照顧爸爸媽媽然後減輕他這一塊的壓力那麼我們如果在所謂的育兒的這一個部分一個小孩每個月補助三萬 |
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這當然是試算了這還沒有一個精確的就是說這個陳時中政委也說這只是一個試算出來的一個數目但是起碼如果我們現在其實我們補助都不是齊頭式的啦 |
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現在我們對於育兒的部分從托育、托兒因為他還有所謂的可能你如果是公幼非營利他就一種補助然後如果是準公共化又是另外所以他是不一樣的然後育兒津貼又是另外一個部分所以計算起來其實大家不一定是有那麼多的7000到13500對不是那麼齊頭式那麼如果是這樣子的話陳時中政委所提出的 |
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這個就是屬於齊頭式的就是一個寶寶就是每個月補助三萬讓你去支應小孩子可能要去支應的部分這就一個不同的一個變革跟我們現在的思考邏輯又有點不同 |
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兼職委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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所以這是其中一個方案還是比較已經有focus焦點的方案是好幾個方案裡面的其中一個方案還是大家討論完之後這個方案不錯只是現在在找裁員我們其實討論四個方案 |
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財源真的有限,如果…當然我有建議提特別預算的概念,因為這是一國家大事,如果能有特別預算來專程解決這個問題,可能對國家比較有利,但是現在還沒有定論。」 |
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7043.198 |
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每個月補助3萬元每個月補助3萬元每個月補助3萬元 |
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7066.903 |
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對,長遠性應該朝這個方向。而不是說有不一樣的一個補助方式。那其實對於家長來講,可以讓他有這樣的心願意去生小孩。 |
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用因不夠大家還是覺得說壓力很大所以乾脆我們就一次在這個育兒補助獎勵一個小孩每個月補助3萬元這個方向其實是比較能夠讓大家有期待的好 這個再拜託主委我再跟他多討論謝謝謝謝陳庭文委員來 主委請回座來 下位質詢請鄭天才委員 |
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7128.394 |
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7149.106 |
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主席、各位委員、有請主任委員、教育部市長、衛福部署長、周署長。各位好,今天的議題非常非常的重要。這個臺灣 |
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7153.864 |
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7164.147 |
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全球最低的生意力,台灣。這個按照國會你的預估我國人口將由2024年的2340萬減少到2070年的1497萬人減少844萬人。事實上,如果我們從你的數字 |
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尤其是減少的就是年齡越小的事實上少子女化是國安問題已經喊了超過10年了然後這幾年當然政府也在努力也在做但是 |
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這個過去我一再的質詢行政院應該要最起碼少子女化辦公室但是都沒有設了那我們賴總統設了三個委員會也沒有把這個國安問題列在那個委員會裡面現在就是由政務委員政務委員也很忙我們是九個政務委員 |
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他們也很多事情所以這個一直維持過去的一個那國安會當然除了這個之外提了這個相關的主要政策提了這些政策結果一估的未來還是會減少這麼多所以這個部分顯然這個政策要去做調整要怎麼去因應當然這裡面很多政策你都提了 |
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就沒有提到年輕人買房也買不起租房子也租得很貴雖然很多的政策都在推動事實上並沒有根本的去解決這些問題所以這個部分這個各部會當然就國發會一些可能也很難仰賴政務委員他真的很忙他還有很多審議很多的法案 |
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國家發展委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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7320.154 |
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7346.373 |
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或者勢力的托孕中心都不足。」我跟這個衛福部做說明一個禮拜前、兩個禮拜前剛剛已經當了好幾屆的立法委員他現在沒有當立委了好不容易他的孩子好不容易有了孫子 |
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主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
7400.098 |
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願意生、敢生所以這個部分光這個就不足啊所以這裡面提到薪資3萬多我們看勞動部長說薪水低於3.1萬就是低薪勞工啊我們只比低薪勞工多一點點照顧小孩嬰兒或是這個幼兒 |
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很辛苦的對不對勞動部長說3.1萬就是低薪勞工我們只比低薪勞工多一點點所以這個部分都是問題所以剛才為什麼有委員說這金額不足嘛對不對金額不足嘛我本來不想談四千多億台電 |
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7433.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
7462.538 |
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加上核電當初新設就4000多億啊8000多億將近9000多億的錢投入結果就不用4000多億蓋核電廠4000多億當時的4000多億不是現在的所以這個我們的錢人民的錢都就是這樣花的但是真正國安的問題對不對你先 |
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7464.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
7491.168 |
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為勞動部或是各部會所寫的沒有提到這些了我常常講的是什麼?軍人嘛自然就越來越少了對不對?那以後要外籍軍人喔這個就台灣而言備戰最重要就是人啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
7520.908 |
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這也在座嗎?再怎麼精良的武器也要有精良的軍人來去操作來去使用啊現在完全完全真的是所以國發會很重要要怎麼去整合相關的問題所以這個部分是需要去非常重要的很大的一個政策要去統籌 |
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當然是這個部分要一個要有決定前的人來去做這個統合的業務相關各部會的業務包括國防部我剛講的對不對這個都有關係志願役就能越來越少因為他是低薪勞工 |
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7576.323 |
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都是低薪勞工啊!他是24小時在軍營區呢?對不對?沒有自由呢?當然不去了啊!對不對?去了離開的比例很高啊!這個是一個國安問題不是只有講的這些一般的人數而已啊!包括 |
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包括軍力、國防那才是真正的國安所以這個是很廣的所以我從這個第8屆當立委就開始諮詢少子女化辦公室最起碼行政院要成立那當然由賴總統來去成立委員會那更好所以比那個三個委員會還都還 |
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7632.737 |
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來得重要啊對不對我們一直說從國外來小外生來結果呢事實上不是這麼一回事啊花了那麼多錢在那邊所以還是怎麼樣讓我們的年輕人感生好我們這個主委還有這個衛福部請回座我們就請最後一部最後一個議題 |
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7636.376 |
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市長希望你能夠重視這個112年6月29號行政院公布了私立大專學校學習費掃腳3.5萬這個掃腳基本上都不包含原住民因為原住民本來從國民政府時代 |
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7664.912 |
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7686.178 |
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一直到現在教育部從過去的省政府教育廳到現在的教育部都有這個學雜費的減免但是都沒有調啊這邊私立大學少繳了3.5萬我們毫無受惠變成這麼多錢了 |
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7716.258 |
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我們毫無所悔所以本席曾經開過協調會也曾經質詢過前任的陳俊仁院長前任的部長也說要研議所以到現在還沒有一個結果所以要請次長而且這個部分不是因為107到現在都沒有條了 |
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7717.353 |
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7745.596 |
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也夠久了所以這個部分是這個要請次長是報告委員這個高中以下首長跟我說其實是那個對住宿對這個我知道都有調整這國民政府時代就開始的了對其實都有滾動性在調整補助那大學的部分因為那個私立大學那個政策補助3.5萬部分因為原來原住民學生就已經有補助了我知道所以要同步 |
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我們也人數很少啦是,我們未來會一起檢討啦看這個他的住宿費用啦或者其他的費用上能夠給予補助的部分或獎學金的部分我們會來提供研究好不好那會後的資料我們再提供給不用資料我都有所以住宿稅要增加減免原住民與非原住民的大專學生的落差 |
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百分之三十幾啊百分之三十幾交易的提升很重要所以這個部務必要請次長來幫幫忙好謝謝委員我們來努力謝謝謝謝謝謝鄭天才委員來次長請回座這個鄭委員、賴委員剛剛已經有宣告過 |
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7799.161 |
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7804.533 |
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因為宣告過了,政委員之後要休息了那已經有宣告過了現在休息7分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
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8234.261 |
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好,官員請就座我們繼續開會,下一位諮詢請鄭正前委員 |
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8266.985 |
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謝主席我想請一下我們國發會留主委還有我們教育部的張廖萬堅政策教育部張廖政策曾委員早昨天早我在想說臺灣少子化問題已經很多年了你應該知道從什麼時候開始出現生不如死的狀態對不對幾年 |
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二、邀請國家發展委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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8318.956 |
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這排序大家都非常的慘那我後來是看到了幾個狀態是因為我發現那個國發會在算我們的人口數的時候一直都算得不太準那麼今年一到九月份的時候我們只有九萬七千七百三十三人那麼也比之前來得少那我看了我們就是針對國發會在評估我們就是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
8368.009 |
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每一年度的出生率包括從高推估、中推估跟低推估來算的時候那我看的狀態其實基本上我們的實際出生數都比我們國發會這邊所提供出來的低推估還要少就我們少子化問題嚴重到比國發會的低推估還要少人主委你知道這個事情嗎 |
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我只知道那是上一版的今年我們這次的那個出生率我們有下調然後所以我們有對應到今年對到今年你們預計今年出生人數多少人 |
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8399.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
我們今年到7月為我們大概是原定是13萬上下啦13萬人上下是不是?那我們到7月份比去年同期大概少了將近5000位因為我看了所有數字當中的時候那個 |
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8400.15 |
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8428.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
到時候我再來我們本報告是因為我們有很清楚去整理一下我們從105、107、109到110年所有的低推估針對110年跟113年的人數的狀態那你們也許有不同的報告那我們希望能夠更精準因為少子化問題確實非常非常的嚴重好那我們再往下這個部分其實是台灣從2000年到今年1到9月為止的人數你發現就持續的下降當中 |
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只有在2008年到2016年當中的時候這邊曾經有就是反轉那我在因為我看你報告裡面其實你也寫到很多我們少子化問題的理由那你可不可以解釋一下為什麼在這段時間當中的時候我們的人口其實是成長的而不是持續的下降主委2016年是農年 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
8465.536 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
那一年是有龍年的效應呢?2012年……龍年現在我們今年也是龍年的效應啊怎麼沒有看到龍年效應出來? |
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| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
對今年是我們也記得在有在討論這個問題今年為什麼農年效應是比往年我再想說這邊我提到一個一個學界的一個看法他覺得因為事實上說臺灣的政府其實在針對少子化問題已經做了非常的做很多努力不管是給錢給更好的一個 |
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社會福利相關的一個政策等等的部分的時候可是我們的少子化問題還是持續的下降從陳水扁在那八年當中每一年都持續的下降蔡英文的八年當中也是每一年都持續的下降只有在馬英九執政的這八年當中的時候曾經反轉那我們有一個解釋的狀態就是說會不會是因為兩岸問題讓民眾覺得和平的穩定性高的時候大家就更敢於生孩子對 |
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這樣一個觀點你覺得是不是可以解釋在這為什麼在馬這八年當中的時候我們的出生人口數會反轉?這個因為當然我就想承諾我報告他那一年剛好是農年是一個因素那至於為什麼有沒有其他的因素我想我們還需要再去分析那我這邊有提到一個狀態我想應該是雙方的事情不是單方面的事情可是重點就是說 |
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8546.107 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
8572.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
和平會讓老百姓更有安全感所以大家可能會更敢生孩子所以整個的大環境來說是重要的那我想說我今天先提這個部分給主委這邊那我們要怎麼樣去做因為這不是國發會一個單位可以做出來的事因為我們今天邀請了五、六個部會來可是沒有陸委會所以我接下來我想問一個事情就是我們在看到就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
8574.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
8586.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
台灣在今天的主題當中在針對那個少子化問題還有針對那個亞鄰國家攬才留才的競爭力比較我想問一下主委我們亞鄰國家含不含大陸 |
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8589.678 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
8610.326 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
韓大陸的確是對岸是我們的亞鄰國家沒有錯啦是可是因為我看到你在這裡面的時候呢所有的評估當中的時候基本上都沒有著墨到這個點那我想說再往下先往下問一個問題因為大陸地區人民其實我們之前 |
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8611.426 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
8631.357 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
兩岸交流的時候有很多大陸的學生來那我想問一下我們張家萬間政策就是說我們今年有錄取了多少大陸學生?今年有沒有大陸學生來?多少人? |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
8632.557 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
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大概都是研修生,詳細資料我這邊沒有。」我簡單跟你講一下今年113學年報考臺灣碩博士放榜了34個學校總共只有174個人那麼區額高達1326名那麼整個招生率只有11.6是這14年來最低的一個水位 |
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那我在這邊提到一個點就是說這段時間的時候我想兩岸的關係沒有處理好所以台灣這邊一定是講大陸這邊沒有放行對不對 |
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二、邀請國家發展委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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有沒有更積極去做這件事情?」總量也都增加你看今年二月還修法讓陸聖能夠納入健保其實這都是非常友善的措施包括他們也可以領獎助金還有他們也可以來報考臺灣的技能檢定或者是他可以來擔任研究助理或從事學習性的事情我想說我們做很多可是沒有人來的時候 |
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提供更多的政策其實都沒有用所以我覺得一個大框架當中我希望教育部這邊跟陸委會這邊好好的去做一個溝通希望能夠從政策面去解決這個事情政策面要解決很大一部分是政治的友善度可能也要這邊去解決那我這邊提到一個個案這邊有一個大陸的學生 |
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他一清到台灣來念了三年高中念了四年的大學我們這七年我們對於一個大陸學生來我們要投入多少的資源下去 |
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市長你有沒有具體的數字?我們這個126萬人是怎麼算?因為我們平均每對每個大學生一年的投入是大概22萬8千對高中生16萬算起來他在這邊唸的七年書大概是這個數字可是你知道因為 |
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兩岸關係的不好他現在沒有辦法繼續來他本來想在台灣繼續念所以我們希望教育部這邊好好的跟陸委會這邊一起解決陸生來台的問題然後另外讓他們也能夠比照我們國發會這邊提出的一個留才攬才的一個計畫好不好讓他們也能夠變成台灣增加人才的一個來源 |
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我想教育部對於兩岸之間那種良性的互動跟教育文化的交流都是支持啦那我們也不斷的釋出善意可是就是對方到目前為止就是包括那個招生機構我們跟他聯繫他就是一睹不回所以說在這方面我們再努力繼續努力市長我覺得這部分可能要更加油好不好那跟陸委會這邊好好做溝通好導致先再到本辦公室來做報告好謝謝謝謝委員關心謝謝鄭正前委員時間掌握非常精確感謝 |
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來 這個主委先回座蕭委主席請賴瑞榮委員好謝謝昭緯請那個劉主委請國安會劉主委 |
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主委長我想我其實一直在關注這個問題因為我覺得少子化其實是國家的重大問題也是國安問題那國發會其實應該有更強的整合能量來處理這件事情我覺得這也是主委一個很好來幫台灣來幫國家處理好這事的機會我們看到這個趨勢其實是到了2070年剩1584所以 |
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而這個還是比較高位數的一個那其實看來會減少到700多甚至到900零3萬我問一下主委你覺得這樣的問題嚴不嚴重 |
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我認為非常嚴重尤其是特別影響到未來繳稅跟工作的勞動力會非常可怕包括消費的力道都會下滑所以我認為這個其實是國發會很重要的一個工作各部會但國發會可以扮演比較重要強大的我們看到主委你有幾個孩子我有兩個那你認為為什麼這個少子化台灣的問題會越嚴重就你的觀察跟你自己的經驗 |
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我們現在看到有兩個現象一個就是這個大家找不到匹配的對象是目前調查出來的第二個是他們對於養育小孩的壓力或者是還要同時照顧父母的壓力都同時存在 |
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所以我認為有三件事要做,第一個協助他養育,第二個讓他能夠結婚的人比較能夠早一點拿到社宅,或者是比較好的優惠條件租到社宅,然後第三個部分協助他解放他對養育照顧父母的壓力,尤其是很多來台北奮鬥的父母在南部他很壓力很大。 |
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同樣的一個原因啦在我看來其實因為我自己有三個孩子啦同樣都是你怎麼樣去讓減輕這些年輕的夫妻或是他們本身的壓力讓他們本身如果本身有意願想要生而能夠生而敢生的這個是很重要的原因這裡面有很多面向要去處理但是我覺得這個部分一定要去突破掉不然他兩個人的生活跟他生一個孩子的生活跟生兩個孩子的生活跟生三個孩子的生活是完全不同的 |
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包括生育的過程中所要產生的包括生完之後的花費包括他的教養的過程中的托育包括教育等等每個都非常的耗掉相當多的心力跟資源那如果國家在這件事情上給予他更多的支持他就比較有勇氣感去做那如果沒有的話他就會比較保守生一個就好或者是跟隨就不一定要生就有很多的選擇 |
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所以我希望國發會要站在這樣的高度去協助這件事情來推我們來看日本其實也很重視這個問題日本其實已經處理這個問題一段時間了那他們也用整個高度去做處理之前岸田政府的時候也提出了這個對策那我們其實也提出來了0到6歲國家一起養我認為我們現在做的國家一起養就是你國家跟父母一起養但我認為現在至少要達到一半以上才叫一起 |
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主委你現在覺得我們國家在支撐這些事情上有做到了一半嗎?我們目前是有在做了但是我們今年也增加了預算但當然預算還是卡在立法院那我自己我們有自己在做一個推估假設我們把這個力道再拉大有沒有幫助其實我們問了一下多少有幫助那這個幫助 |
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估計的預算大概是五百多億起跳每一年但是如果我們希望這把配套做得好的話我們當時估了一個比較具吸引力的方案大概是一年要增加一千億左右的預算對那這些如果能夠確實來落實的話我認為會很有助於改善因為這一錢就是整個直接用在孩子上就是說我認為國家一起養是其實甚至於我認為是國家要來照顧 |
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國家應該把所有的孩子當作是他的資產我們看到很多的政府都在努力日本的政府他對於孩子齁這個0到2歲一個月1.5萬日元3到高中畢業18歲一個月1萬瑞典更積極的在於他0到從幾乎是完全支撐的孩子生出來免費教育的部分甚至於這個相關的 |
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這些甚至營養午餐等等就是說瑞典的一些國家當然是比較福利的國家他們幾乎是把孩子當作自己的國家的責任在幫忙在照顧那當然國情不同但是用你這樣的態度我們就稅收也不一樣對但你這樣的態度在處理的時候其實周遭包括企業包括所有人都會感受到政府在重視這件事情而且對於生兒育女是友善的是支持的 |
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所以我真的希望用國外高度跟院長來支持不管是五百億或一千億我認為這樣的投入對於將來台灣的整體的競爭力有相當大的幫助主委會繼續朝這個方向來推動嗎我會朝這裡來努力也會找時間跟陳政委的討論這件事情 |
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我認為至少初階要做到把0到6歲當作是國家的責任國家來養就也就是說他所出生不管是你一次給了一筆的費用讓他生完之後的這個負擔或者是他0到6歲包括他的托育的過程中包括教育過程中的時候你給予他的支持讓他經費我現在看有很多的啦你搶這個公立的都不一定搶得到 |
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自立的又很貴然後你幾乎要負擔每個月要一萬多塊兩萬塊以上的費用的時候對於每一個生出來的生孩子的父母的壓力都非常沉重的那你這樣當然他更不會那這倒還不包含孩子可能半夜會給你吵醒甚至於很多的各種教養的很多問題那非常的複雜那如果你連最基本的支撐他的力量都沒有把它撐起來的話 |
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那他們又怎麼有勇氣於生那剛才也包含你談到了每生一個孩子就多出一個空間出來那你的住宅有沒有辦法給予協助等等很多的桌邊配套你的時間可能必須要更充沛你如果是兩個人的話你的生活你只要上下班就可以但是你要照顧孩子你要提前一個小時把他找起來整理好吃完早餐再送他去學校這學校還是你要能夠負擔得起的學校 |
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所以他有整套的方式一定要國家全力的來支持他在經費上面在制度方面給予更大的支持我認為才有辦法去有效去緩解這個問題不然就會如你們表所看的而且有可能不斷的下修不斷的惡化這會是台灣很大很大的問題 |
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主委認同這樣的看法嗎?我認同我會朝這個地方我們來試著去努力我們來看一下臺灣跟其他國家比我們總先例現在是最後一名的我們跟韓國兩個都非常的對我們只比韓國好一點那日本對那日本都還在努力其實都已經有一些成效我剛剛講到日本都還已經開始在 |
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為什麼日本給孩子們每個月給他錢等於他把它當作國家把當作是像他的孩子一樣到18歲前我把你當作孩子幫你父母來養這個孩子我給你相關的一些費用所以我覺得國家用這樣的態度來對待我們所有的孩子們 |
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在他的特別是0到6歲要特別給予照顧0到6歲是最辛苦的時候因為他還沒有自己獨立的一些能力到6歲上國小他可能自處能力比較強一點就好一點0到6歲往往很多的家庭父母為了要照顧孩子假設生一個兩個也許兩個就已經沒辦法做雙薪了可能到了第三個那抱歉可能只能一個薪水而已了 |
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所以那個絕對是非常非常的困難那政府一定要全力的去協助他在這些財政上在整個教育上面可以去做我認為才能夠解套這個問題是的所以我看到了其實你們從2016年開始政府在做我們經費已經持續增加但是我認為還是持續做我認為這件事情國家投資資源是非常有意義的 |
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一來我們把外來的好的勞動力拉進來但另一方面我們自己本身的優秀的這些人力要不斷地在下一代不斷地培育出來那這樣才會讓台灣整體的競爭力更加強化好不好我希望國家把他當真的國家當作支持這個孩子是我們的責任的角度來養 |
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那個計畫的部分我希望再整合一份也給我好不好我希望很快看到你跟院長溝通之後不管是500億的這樣的計畫或是1000億的計畫我希望能夠得到院長的支持那我們希望能夠有效的緩解少子化的問題有效的去讓我們優秀的下一代能夠持續的得到更多的照顧好不好 |
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主委,那個報告如果你有相關的資料是不是一個月內給我一份資料好不好?好,我去約一下那個院長跟政委那你整份規劃的資料也給我一份好嗎?好,謝謝謝謝賴總委員、主委,請回座下一位質詢,請謝一鳳委員 |
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我們工作人員是挑水一下。」謝謝趙偉。我想要請我們劉主委。請國會劉主委。次長。教育部張調次長。謝偉銘好。 |
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主委好 市長我想請問一下就是少子化的問題怎麼解決那當然0到6歲這個部分是大家都有共識的可是怎麼解決到底在 |
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地方的部分就是零到二歲目前缺少的部分有盤點嗎盤點的結果如何因為我看到在我們彰化縣各鄉鎮托嬰以及幼兒園的需求就是不一了那這個部分怎麼樣子規劃兩位誰可以講 |
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謝謝委員關心其實這個整個當然是我們都會透過地方政府他們去了解地方政府的需求那根據那個地方如果有一些公共空間或者學校有一些空教室他可以來辦理這個公共化的一個幼兒園 |
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但是我跟張廖次長說現在面臨的問題是有少子化問題我們在例如我們有一個鄉鎮它需要的是幼兒園那幼兒園要整合性可是它整合性的社區它本來是放在社區裡面現在社區要做長照了我們有兩塊部分要處理 |
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當他要把這個就是說要把這些幼兒園集中起來就是來管理要來興建幼兒園的時候教育部可能又覺得說現在少子化啦你到底可不可以蓋幼兒園啊那所以你們教育部到底是怎麼樣子盤點這些設施的那甚至在我們204鄉鎮他們就沒有駝音的部分啊 |
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那托嬰的部分要怎麼做呢?就是有鄉鎮沒有啊?還是你要集中管理還是要怎麼樣子?你總要有一個具體的長程的規劃吧?要讓所有的小朋友都有地方去嗎?如果要朝公共化的托嬰或者是幼兒園的這個政策來講是不是應該要盤點所有的設施?我們其實每個鄉鎮市都有做評估也做盤點 |
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有些當然因為出生率低的關係所以它的那個設置的方式會不太一樣那我們也都希望地方政府能夠我們跟地方政府一起合作看一下怎麼樣子來解決那可能有些地方政府也有一些財政的問題我們也會補助啦比如說他可能希望整病那剛才委員就提到嘛 |
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主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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人家有同意啦人家就希望診病嘛是不是?您講的這個很有道理我們實際去了解實際是爸爸媽媽在送托不是鄉鎮公所所以這兩個面向讓我們多整合一下 |
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我也多到你辦公室報告好不好?不是啦 因為你如果把它放在社區的話人家也要做那個就是說長照的就是那個送餐的部分嘛所以有兩個面向嘛一個是拖老一個是拖嬰那拖嬰的部分爸爸媽媽在送的時候他比較社區化會比較方便所以這一點上是不是我們再到委員辦公室備福部也一起去還有鄉鎮事公所我們大家一起談一下好不好因為現在表達沒問題的是 |
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政府單位,但是真正在使用的是家長。」這個我們來衡量一下。你是調查了多少家長?你是調查了多少家長?我們在走訪的過程中說以前的經驗,我們還是很省事。對,你不能用以前的經驗嘛。這個我們有實際的了解社區。現在都已經什麼幾年了,我們從過去的經驗都不能夠符合現在實際的潮流嘛。你知道說我們的鄉鎮公所,現在它不只要處理一塊嘛。 |
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不只要處理托幼,還有要處理托老的部分啊,是不是?你不能夠,你們不能夠,欸,主委,主委,為什麼我會在這裡問這個問題?這是跨部會的問題嘛,是不是?張廖次長,還有上一次你去二林看我們二林工商的,就是災後的,開密颱風災後的這個重建的工作,那對於彰化縣的,不會有差別吧? |
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主任委員會主任委員會主任委員 |
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培育兩年留臺工作,這不是國發會跟經濟部一起的嗎? |
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有主委是嗎?那是郭部長提出來的所以不是你的?你們現在怎麼這樣子啊?主委你們現在怎麼這樣子分的那麼...郭部長大部分的事情是我們有在協助規劃啦那他那次的記者會我們沒有參與的所以我不知道他...我以為這是...對啊因為這需要跨部會啊然後今天又有勞動部又有教育部所以我才想說也順便問你啊 |
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我去找,我們去找他了解,我再給你報告。」 |
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那這樣子很難問下去是不是所以你不知道是加二但是我要請問你們所謂的要培養10萬個AI的工程師那到底這10萬工程師有沒有辦法留在台灣以及你們目前按照這些方案培養我看到我們勞動部 |
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一一三年第一季人力需求增減的情況製造業需要兩萬三千六十八人那根據你們這樣子的A就是你們這樣子的4加2的這個2加4的計畫有沒有辦法解決我們現在勞動力缺乏的問題 |
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如果就AI的部分我們目前從學校我們有兩個機制一個是學校的機制跟非學校的機制在培養AI那學校一年可以有6萬多就是科系畢業跟這個STAND學生 |
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另外是透過經濟部有補助外面的教育訓練機構以及這個工研院等等都有一些教育機構那我們算出來是10萬是可以培養的夠的那勞動力的部分我們現在看到從我國安會的角度我們現在看到是兩個狀況勞動力的需求我想勞動部非常清楚但是裡面有一個叫做技術落差就是有時候我們要的焊接工可能不是 |
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直接過來的外勞可以做的那這個部分我們會透過中階人才的修法來進一步的開放對於有技術性的技術工能夠再開放然後讓他們的更容易進到台灣來工作我們當然會朝這個方向來走只是我是說目前你們的規劃有沒有辦法解決我們目前在2024年第一季我們就面臨到製造業這麼大的缺口未來如果在 |
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在我們到2028年的時候預估人力缺口這是國發會的吧這是國發會的吧我們預估的是總人力缺口他會切成高階人才跟勞動力那勞動力工廠來講我們請那個勞動部說明一下是,報告委員有關這個AI的這個數位轉型其實我們為了要使國內的勞動者可以因應這個數位的發展 |
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所以我們其實在就業通已經有一個這個綠能淨零還有AI數位轉型的一個專區裡面有相關的資訊課程這個是提升現有勞動力的他的相關的能力我跟昭緯換次序所以我不要操時可是我必須要提一下就是我現在看到政府部門的跨部會的整合以及 |
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你們跨部會的溝通協調的確看起來好像就沒有我也不知道說當我在看到就是國發會跟經濟部共同推這個二加四方案的時候我不知道說你們怎麼樣子去溝通協調這中間的問題喔好謝謝好謝謝謝一鋒委員來主委、組長請回座來下位質詢請陳超明委員 |
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我國少子女化現況及對策計畫成效． |
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你當然剛剛來到國華會現在少子化你感覺要怎麼改善才好 |
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少子化我們現在其實我們從多頭在進行中跟您報告一下第一個我們有做市場的調查還有大數據的分析大數據的分析我們請國會做大概會到年底才會有機會出來因為涉及到一些各自法那這個分析會突破過去傳統的做法 |
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那以分析來看以調查來看的話目前我們最大的第一個問題是結婚率比較低第二個結婚年齡偏晚第三個部分是想大家對育兒的壓力比較大那我們現在最能解的是育兒的壓力所以我們現在是朝育兒壓力跟這個結婚的人有沒有機會比較先拿到社宅或者是租到社宅 |
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第三個部分怎麼樣幫他施壓他們因為現在小孩生得少奉養父母的壓力都有比照顧父母的壓力也比較大我們希望從這三階段來做所以今年整體編列了一千兩百多億的預算我也覺得蠻中肯的因為我今天剛剛要來以前我就問我們裡面小姐說現在的人為什麼不想結婚 |
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他說養孩子很辛苦、壓力很大我看他個性很溫柔所以你重點就提出這個地方出來表示你這個調查報告是蠻準確的不是官方正式的一個報告是實際有了解啊現在說生不如死生不如死依照我們觀念說我的家不如死死的就好了那是生活的煎熬 |
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這一句話生不只是這樣生的人比死的人還要少尤其現在民意代表大概天天都要去臉香看到他老人家一直過世的話真的差別很大但是我再想想這裡面大概我最資深人生其實才開始所以這個社會是整個交雜在一起的 |
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那關於少子化我覺得失絕壓力但是我覺得在這個思想裡面常常沒有提到因為現在都是小那個叫小浪漫就是說只有我喜歡有什麼不可以青春不能留白他們也在逃避這種壓力一個社會結論 |
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那整個中國文化裡面對家的傳統觀念很少但是我發覺這整個世界都在改變這一些我做我自己就好我不要負擔壓力大人生的青春不能留白我覺得這幾個觀念你們也要特別注意一下確確實實 |
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現在我也問了很多,他說現在跟年輕人講話他不敢亂講,兒子講什麼也只能講好,不外其此上的意思,公切就這世代的觀念差距,其實現在的 |
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資訊裏面差距不會很大新的觀念跟舊的觀念有時候是經驗的傳承但是現在要討好很多的選票的時候把觀念改判臺灣是沒有職員的國家我覺得真的是當總統人、當行政院長、當國會委員的職位應該提出我們臺灣人口對策的一個中心思想不要人人也贏現在說什麼壯世代我搞不懂 |
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四十五歲以上叫壯世代,但是諸位,七十五歲及六十五歲是正在生產力的中心,超高齡的說65歲以上的,阿你給我省個壯世代,壯世代我就傻不,我今天要問他壯世代怎麼解釋,四十五歲到六十歲是生產力最強 |
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其實現在的生物科技已經改變了65歲的人以後非常年輕的非常多我估計這裡都要去租也要去賺你看我熱 |
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我的看法跟您非常接近因為現在的百歲人類也到了5500多位了那大家的身體越來越健康了那也因為這樣的關係其實勞動部也修了一個法令鼓勵中高齡的人回來就業因為現在人真的越來越年輕那最近的修法退休也不一定限定在65歲對對對好人事室的那個副副主委 |
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主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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不強迫退休可以協商來我今天也剛剛碰到一個人跟我存強我們的公務人員60歲達到退休的年齡你們說不准留下來要跟我退但是我跟人事 |
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那個副處長我告訴你我會寫公共行政以前為什麼會逼著退是要給年輕的上來接這個公務人員的位置現在公務人員要經過考試考試的時候現在不一定少子化了就會跟大學一樣要來進入公務體系的不一定多 |
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而且女生會特別多我跟你講這個變化實在所以在這裏面有一個傳承這個傳承公務系統很重要 |
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你到行政公所去看一下那年輕進來的話大家要轉也沒有經驗什麼東西都不敢動所以我覺得公務人員如果能跟機關大家協調好可以說你到哪裡或是協調好應用這個已經很成熟有基本概念的公務人員對我們公務人員的效率推進是幫忙很大 |
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觀念改一下時代不一樣不是年輕人就更好吃我們希望他成長但是還有老一代現在的年輕人還在拍槓我選舉的人不能講這種話我是把我觀念跟你講你看法怎麼樣?謝謝委員的指教這個的確這個年齡的延後這是一個目前可能未來可能會面臨的議題那就值得去深思了能不能留任? |
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請說你們發了一張公文去說不能認領跟我離開您提的是公務人員因為公務人員的退休令、借領的退休令是規定在公務人員的退休福氣法裡面在你們現在修改的法令有沒有告發公務人員因為公務人員法令啊這個退休法令在考試院所以我們你告訴我聽不清楚你告訴我英文比較不英文 |
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因為退休的年齡是法令俱全公務員當然有公務人員的法但是還是依照母法為基準到底65歲屆齡的公務人員能不能繼續留在公務機關 |
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如果按照要保留公務人員的身份,既有公務人員身份,因為退服法就規定...當然這台車全車子,你好好思考這幾個問題。我剛才說我早上跟我陳情我才問你。但是,那個...劉書蕾 |
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人不行的,你看他血肝,退出來不工作的時候很容易這樣,我比了手,他退出下來你給他有專業,他的精神反而更好更強壯,你說老人肢胎症就是得出的太陽,不知道要做什麼, |
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保時中日狠狠頓頓的我感覺你這個成績60幾位現在的健康現在生物科技現在醫療都有在進步不應該限制這個可以給他一個充分發揮我覺得這樣子他們反而更健康 |
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10533.712 |
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你看美國總統真沒做什麼事情多聰明他真有事情做都很好我建議這幾點然後在留才攬才方面尤其AI你不要台灣培養的人才給外人在用你們永遠繼續做一點 |
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那些有錢的國家他那些印鈔票的國家把臺灣的人才抓高高只要去用來限制我們各種發展且即現在是競爭的啦大家在勝利要贏大家競爭要贏無所不用其極不要我們假裝人力道德 |
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我告訴你一件事,沒有台灣,包括產農產業,高科技業可能在這邊你們滋好很快,說不定會消失。謝謝第二次安寧。好,謝謝委員,感謝。謝謝陳昌平委員。下一位質詢請楊秋衣委員。 |
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謝謝主席 本席想邀請主委跟勞動部一起 |
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好謝謝主委我們看到我們在105年執行我們我國少子化的這個對策計畫到現在從最起初的105年的200億到我們看到你114年的預算是1177億但是呢你錢越多你的生育率不僅是逐年下降 |
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而且在CIA所公布五月份他所公布美國中情局他公布的2024年全球生育率的預測當中嚇一跳我們竟然是世界最後一名你看到這個世界最後一名 |
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你的心理作何感想? |
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都是因為不育證經過補助而生下來的所以錢花的還是有那包括我們0到2歲0到6歲國家一起養其實都讓年輕人感覺到他有釋壓的情緒這個是我們從200億到明年度你編列的1177億你的過程努力但是你的答案是世界最危險的怎麼辦 |
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怎麼辦?如果你現在的回答只是告訴我我們現在的做法是什麼但是你的答案是全世界最後一名所以我本席不希望聽到這些本席要聽到你精進的方案 |
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因為錢不斷地在增加那你現在的方式有沒有調整的空間怎麼樣去鼓勵請做說明我們其實10月1號陳時中政委召集的各部會也包括國安會我們探討的這件事那10月17號在國家發展委員會有沒有方案出來你也談到這些事情有沒有方案你從200億到明年度預估將近1200億有沒有方案 |
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方案是有一部分已經在今年的預算裡面提出來就是一些補助的增加包括我們最近也會修法包括一些法令的鬆綁但是我們希望有更大的改變所以我們在那個會議裡面我們希望三個月後我們在會議裡面大家再來探討一次 |
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從什麼時候的三個月本席希望聽到方案因為我們即將要審預算要知道這筆預算能不能花在有效的效能所以這一個提問本席請問你們的整體方案什麼時候可以出來 |
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多久時間?實施中所以你的答案是全世界最後一名所以本期具體建議 |
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你去盤點主委你去盤點你現在最後一年你的答案也是世界最後一名所以趁著還有機會你到底你的預算在重議的時候你的預算、你的方案要怎麼樣去精進你三個月內給本席好不好我三個月給你但是我也跟你報告 |
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我們有探討很多事情其實不是其實這個不歸我的責任但是我主動找了院長探討我們也提了幾個方案出來那這裡面需要到500億到1000億左右的預算你是我們國發會的主委 |
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拿出你的gas去提出方案預算怎麼分配這是我們要看到的好不好三個月內將你的方案給本席所以我們實質討論勞動部在這裡全台有90%是屬於中小企業那麼彈性工時的部分勞動部你們現在的進度怎麼樣 |
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勞動部你們現在的作為方向是怎麼樣呢?報告委員其實我們現在依照勞動基準法跟我們的性別平等工作法我們現在在法令裡面就有一些可以實施彈性工作時間的一些措施跟空間那不管是彈性工時又或者是可以調整上下班又或者是有一些彈性的請假 |
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這些在勞動法規裡面都允許可以去做一些安排。」但是落實沒有辦法落實所以為什麼請國發會主委以及你同步大家互相橫向去聯繫因為我再次強調90%都是屬於中小企業那麼同時我們要顧了國家的產業 |
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那當然最重要現在最傷腦筋的全世界生育最後一名這個問題一年度要花一千多億在這樣的情況之下我們的橫向聯繫到底要怎麼樣去精進這是本席在跟你討論的這個議案所以我們也希望因為一方面要國家發展二方面不敢得罪雇主然後呢 |
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又要趕快要讓他們可以有彈性共識這個功課是很要有智慧的所以我把這個功課拋出去請國發會跟勞動部你們好好去研討要怎麼樣能夠去落實所以我拋出一個議題國發會主委你是不是可以如果沒有領頭羊不可能你是不是可以請我們的政府單位跟國營企業 |
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來當領頭羊來做事行的彈性工時可行性。」這個我會跟相關國營事業的組織單位我們會來討論看看這跟你報告你國家帶著走人家就願意你國家自己都不做那當然就到目前為止你到最後一億兩這個一千兩百億花完了還是全世界最後一名 |
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這個是我們不願意看到的所以是不是我想了一直想我們是不是由我們的國營事業跟我們的行政政府部門率頭來示範嘛好不好我來跟那個向經濟部這些單位來討論對這樣就對了那你多久時間可以告訴我可跟不可你們率先來示範嘛 |
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主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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這個70年你慢了三個月公布但是總是公布了那你告訴我們少子化跟高齡化的現象呢你告訴我們說預估2070年我國總人口將比2024年減少844萬人換句話說到了2070年我們從2300萬人會降到1500萬人所以主委在這樣子的數字告訴我們你要怎麼樣朝向 |
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少子化、勞動力、經濟產業、財政受資尤其是我們的醫療、照務這些面向做一個橫向整體性的一個研討這個是務必要做的我已經看到2070年我們的人口剩下1500萬人這怎麼辦呢 |
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請做說明這個部分我們已經整理了各種的影響因素以後我們在陳政委的會議裡面有特別提出來給各部會希望他們針對這些議題可能的傷害跟這個影響進行一定傷害沒有人什麼都不用講了所以請教主委你們在做你的KPI指數什麼時間點可以提出你們的方案 |
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這個我這樣子好不好我還是得跟陳政委去討論我跟陳政委討論之後再跟您回報你初步三個月去提出一個你們的草案方案我們繼續討論好不好這個我還是要爭得陳政委的同意所以你趕快去討論好不好這個很重要到了2070年我們剩下1500萬人這很緊張欸這怎麼辦最後一分鐘 |
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主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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這個2017年的時候有外國人才專法實施所以你的人數到目前有增加但是我們看到目前的產業必須要加入AI的這些我們必須要跟世界接軌所以我要求你我要求你你將你將跨部會去盤點我們產業人才的缺口你去延攬國際的人才因為 |
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近鄰觀光加注一個項目近鄰人才這是勢在必行所以如果依照你目前的步驟是沒有辦法吻合我們所必要國家發展所必要的這些人才以及跟世界接軌你是不是我把這個功課給你你去研討把那個方案告訴我們好不好好啊沒問題啊我們其實有資料啦那我把這個資料整理給你嘛來多久時間可以給本席 |
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一、邀請國家發展委員會主任委員會主任委員、行政院人事行政策競爭力比較。 |
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謝謝主席,請國安會的劉主委所以我們看第一個數據第一個數據是你們發布是針對2023的總生意率加上0.865那僅高於韓國0.72那針對2023對不對是的然後這個我們看一下美國的數據美國的數據你看下一張 |
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美國數據台灣已經低於韓國生育率變成全世界倒數第一名所有的國家裡面有227所以再回到上一頁你現在所提的五面向對策目前正在實施你明年二月又要提解方 |
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如果這些現在的五方五面向對策有效的話他不會變成那麼一個嚴峻的一個態勢就是說我們是227個國家裡面我們聲譽是倒數第一是聲譽力全世界最低的國家這是不是一個不可逆的趨勢目前來看其實要可逆是有點難度了我們希望先守住現在會永遠的倒數第一名對不對是的 |
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你對策沒有對政下要啊 |
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我跟委員報告一下我們現在最大的困難其實還是在大家的結婚慾望比較低我們必須先解掉這一段否則會很困難為什麼結婚慾望比較低呢?就是因為低薪嘛你低薪代表說你可自備所得這個減少你就不敢去養兒育女嘛OK?包括物價的膨脹生活所得的生活支出大幅提高包括物價的上漲包括高房價 |
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主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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所以我們一直在探討怎麼樣讓0到6歲的這個國家一起養的政策更能夠吻合市場的需求當然這需要大量的預算所以我們還是就像我之前報告我們需要找裁員你知道嗎日本曾經是最早進入超高齡這個社會的國家但他們已經慢慢的可逆了 |
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他們生意力有提高了嗎?他們本來可逆是回到了1.4但是又降回到1.2疫情的期間但最起碼他們已經控制這個惡化的狀況嘛所以他們內閣裡面有個少子化部嘛有個少子化大臣對,他有一個大臣是內閣的閣員閣員相當於一個部長部長有實權、有預算、有能力去執行少子化的相關的對策那我目前的狀況是由政委 |
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政委是協調各部會的執行狀況做政策的規劃的協調政委也不需要來立法院備詢不管是院會也是委員會他的執行狀況如何我們沒有辦法透過國會的監督 |
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所以為什麼你必須要去參考其他國家是不是要成立一個專責的少子化對策部或少子化對策委員會有一個專任的部長來接受這個國會的監督編列預算、充實能力 |
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對政下要把青年的地心問題解決可自備所得提高降低房價降低這個生活開支他們才有這個意願去生才有能力去養所以我覺得你現在明年二月你還要邀集各部會明年二月提解方這五面像是不是正在做的事情 |
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都在做事情嘛。」好那我想這個您的建議我也是會會把這個跟院長報告看看他對這件事有什麼樣的才識你是幕僚機關你應該提出解方不是去問院長因為院長一定會回問你你的看法是怎麼樣 |
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你不能去問院長你是幕僚的首長沒錯所以這部分應該你要提出解方所以我剛剛現在對政效要問題在哪裡針對問題解決問題我們再看一下這女性就業的狀況我們20到24歲的女性勞動參與率比較低的原因是因為她就學年數的關係大家念念就有所25歲到29歲女性勞參與率是這個大概是鄰國之冠到90% |
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但是另外呢到40歲以上因為結婚的關係因為生育的關係他就沒有辦法再投入返回職場不像其他的國家日本、南韓跟美國他的重返職場的比例比台灣高太多了你看台灣到5.365歲以上然後50到都比其他每一個年齡世代都比韓國、日本還低 |
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所以為什麼女性沒有辦法在這個結婚育兒之後重返職場 |
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這個要去探討原因有這個這兩個問題其實我們有兩個兩個比例都比較低一個是中高齡的就業就業比例比較低第一個婦女的這個勞參率比較低這個我們都有請跟勞動部討論你講到這個引髮族或者是退休的狀況我們看最後一個表勞動參與率的年齡別 |
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你看一下我們這個25歲到49歲年齡有八成的勞動參與率跟國際相比毫不遜色但是50歲以上呢所謂壯世代我們今天討論壯世代50到64歲這個基本上體力上都沒有問題他的勞參與率是階梯式的雪崩式的下降 |
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你要怎麼去解決這個問題?怎辦二度就業者、銀髮族、銀髮族能夠同心在導入職場?這需要政策去引導 |
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對這個部分也許我不知道勞動部是不是可以來說明一下因為勞動部針對婦女跟中高齡都有一個相當的政策我這沒有那麼多時間我只是把這個問題提出來我希望你做一個協調單位你要跟院長講你也要跟這個陳時中政委講這部分非常重要因為這個講到這個缺工的問題 |
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人力航空部今年4月缺工110萬左右我們國人到海外去工作人數將近50萬中國最多美國居次然後去東南亞鄰國包括日本、臺灣工作也多包括南韓也吸引臺灣留學生挖走了我們很多的白領跟知識精英 |
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讓我們相對的政策要吸引其他國家的高階人才、白領人才到台灣來反而這個效果有限這問題到底是出現在哪裡你的目標是2030年要40萬人才攬才目標捏40萬捏那目前的結果是怎麼樣2024還有6年你要達40萬攬才的目標捏到底能不能達成呢 |
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目前至少我們現在是有訂定的相當的策略我們也分配到不同的任務裡面去以目前來看的話我們最大的來源還是在這個喬外森在這邊念學的這是最大來源第二個部分是我跟您報告我們現在開始進行到海外攬才的部分連40萬目標我覺得這個很拚另外高階專業人才你門檻要16萬 |
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你要配合他久居的福利的這些資源也沒有配套措施所以我覺得你要模仿或者學其他國家的做法把司法的門檻能夠降低我們現在已經開始在調整了我有時間再跟你請教因為這個問題很重要我再給我10分鐘我也講不完但是我要遵守時間的規律這個招委要以身作則謝謝委員 |
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現在請羅志強委員執行主席有請國發會主委羅委員好 |
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主委好看到國發會公布的人口推估我們在明年進入超高齡社會那人口紅利在2028年結束那一個很驚人的數字就2070年人口將剩下1497萬較現今大減844萬那原本3.6名的青壯人口撫養一名老年人口那會減少為每一名青壯 |
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人口讓他撫養一名老人。」那我想請教你有沒有那個馬總統曾經在執政的時候說過一句話有沒有聽過叫少子化是國安問題有聽說你認同嗎我認同對非常嚴重那我們講少子化我們就要從新生兒人數開始說那實際上從2000年的30.7萬一路下滑那到去年剩下多少 |
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十三年十三萬五你知道這一路下滑趨勢只有在一個時段它曾經有反轉往上走是哪一個年代是上一個農年十二年前對就是再次又下來了對好跟你講2010年那個時候這個我們的出生的人口是到了16萬6 |
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到2012年反轉為22.9萬到2015年也還有21.3萬所以換言之這整個過去這20年的人口下滑的趨勢只有在這個階段它是有反轉的那我就想請教您請教您事實上你剛剛講農年 |
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開始反轉那一年是農年嘛但是今年農年一到八月出生的寶寶數竟然比去年同期還少農寶寶比兔寶寶還少連農年效應都失去了請問主委那這些年投入預算那麼多為什麼出生人口越來越少不見成效呢 |
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這個問題其實我們從另外一個角度來看請委員看一下我們去年13萬5裡面有一萬多個是因為不孕症的關係經過補助而生下來的那 |
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我想委員也認同一件事我們幫助年輕人在養育小孩上紓壓是合理的是有效果的那這些都是資金的投入主委我告訴你您可以明示我們那些資金的投入是錯的那我願意來調整我來告訴你鐵針針事實擺在眼前你不用推給委員今天鐵針針事實就是今天我們民進黨政府上來之後你不斷地要改變少子化 |
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你可以講100個你做得很棒的地方但你改變不了一個事實啊就是從馬政府時候的將近22萬人、21萬人掉到現在剩13萬了接近腰斬了有不過8年多的時間了 |
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但為什麼當時國民黨執政的時候喊出所謂的把國安就是少子化當作國安問題然後做出很多的措施能夠去反轉這個人口下跌的少子化這個趨勢我這時候在當總統府副秘書長抱歉 |
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我經常在陪馬總統在開這個所謂的國安少子化的國安的研究對策會議馬總統是多麼重視這件事所以他技術非常多他是把這件事當一件重要的事來做可是我再舉個數字啊賴總統仍然要推出生生不息的政策嘛說要在2030年總生育率回到1.4可是你知道這個生生不息政策是在行政院長那一題提出來的2017年總生育率是多少 |
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1.13去年多少降到0.87不是我對賴清德當總統沒信心啊他當院長他喊的1.4我只看到越來越掉掉越來越多掉到0.87那於2013年剩下沒多少時間拜託再努力一點好不好好謝謝謝謝好謝謝羅志祥委員來主委先請回座下一位請陳金輝委員 |
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主席互相請國發會還有衛福部衛福部我們這個首長 |
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陳委員早剛剛已經聽了許多委員發表他們的意見那對我來說我也是少子化的最大受害者因為我是婦產科醫師嘛以前我們一個晚上可能起來很多次有時候兩間三間產房同時在節省現在我們可以睡得很好 |
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但是我有看到你們又確定要再展延一年可是你們也發布了最新的人口報告請問你們有想過如果小子化已經是無可逆轉因為從人的人口報告看起來就是這樣子你這個計畫是不是乾脆要把它常態化? |
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全委員你指的是人口的公佈還是人口計畫?人口的公佈你前陣子人口的公佈就代表少子化這件事情已經沒有辦法逆轉了是嗎?是的我們的確現在要逆轉很困難那的確我們的確您有我們有討論到準備 |
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做這件事情把它變成常態化所以我們現在有在研議一個常態化的做法跟人力需求我們會抱怨來做這個事因為它必須更密集的不能兩年一次我也幫您稍微回答一下剛有一位委員問您的問題說到說因為年輕人低薪不敢結婚這是錯的 |
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經過許許多多的調查,現在的年輕人並沒有把婚姻視為人生的一個選項。這點你同意嗎?根據我們的調查的確是,其中最大的因素當然是他沒有覺得遇到他想要結婚的對象,現在是比重最高的。That's why 發生一個事情,25到29歲的未婚率將近八成,其實9.3那30到34歲有到52.5 |
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那最大的原因就是你講的就是他對婚姻沒有那麼強烈然後也沒有找到他合適的對象所以我們等一下討論的事情要以兩個目標為核心第一個就是願意生的人你要讓他多生嘛你要讓他生完第一個想要再生第二個想要再生第三個另外一個就是 |
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與我們相關的人工生殖法他願意生的假使他沒有結婚你也希望可以幫助他再來對所以這兩個是我們等一下討論的重點好既然他都願意生了我們不管是用科學的方法協助他生育或者是我們鼓勵他有incentive讓他願意生完一個再多生兩個我們來看一下你現在編的預算 |
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為什麼是越編越少呢?這個擴大育兒津貼你看113年度、114年度一般人民看到不是會覺得說我們勤領的金額變少了所以更不敢生小孩嗎? |
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公務員報告在對於每一個兒童的部分的補助金額是只有上升沒有下降那我們對於預算的推估是根據每一年實際上出生數的部分來推估的總額所以可能因為這樣的關係所以預算總額看起來沒有像前一個年度這麼多好那下一張我想問一下這邊你們把擴大公共化托育的補助 |
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中央越來越少地方越來越多的原因為何?因為少子化是一個國安議題沒有道理中央是越變越少地方是越變越多啊不是應該要全國一起動起來嗎? |
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公文報告這個對於公共托育的部分事實上中央的部分事實上托育金額的補助也是在即使是今年也比往年也都有提高所以在金額的部分是應該是不會降低的 |
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那特別預算的部分這邊所看到的委員指的是是對於這個去佈建公共托育場所的金額那這個部分的話是中央跟地方分別來分攤是那我講一個比較具體的建議主席一分鐘謝謝 |
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我希望你們可以把托嬰、托育還有零托這件事都可以常態化因為這已經無可逆轉了在這邊給你看一下有58.1%的家庭都是雙薪家庭尤其是學前兒童的家庭所以目前的核心小家庭他其實是缺乏長輩同住資源所以你出去小吃攤你會看到這樣子的狀況我希望未來你可以整合教育部、衛福部 |
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可以讓這些雙薪家庭都可以無後顧之憂。」好嗎?謝謝。好,謝謝陳金輝委員。主委,先回座。我們上午諮詢到在場委員,在場委員諮詢到蔡玉玉委員,諮詢完之後我們會休息。休息到下午兩點才會繼續開會。下回諮詢請賴慧維委員。 |
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謝謝主席我們請國科會主委還有教育部張廖次長請國發會劉主委教育部張廖次長 |
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賴委員好是,處長我想就是從剛才幾位委員的一個質詢內容裡頭我們來聽這個台灣的生育率會不會越來越少還是有可能緩談回升顯然你給的這個答案是非常的一個精準就是說 |
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你認為就是不可逆會越來越少那還有在這個207年年你甚至就是說大膽臆測我們的人口數只會剩下1500萬是這樣子嗎? |
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不是這樣的意思我們其實現在用現在的狀況來推估2070年如果我們不去改善的話會持續的惡化那我們現在希望兩部曲第一部先能夠守住現在的出生的狀態然後下一部才來看怎麼提升 |
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大概我們朝這兩個方向來走能守住其實以國際情勢來看的話其實幾乎我們看全球趨勢每個國家都是會倒下的現象從少子化就是這個子女對策的一個計畫裡頭我們已經是從107年到114年了就等於是說小英總統在105年就職的第二年他就開始就是說已經知道了這個少子少子女這個 |
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這個計畫的一個對策的計畫一直在提出來了顯然我們還是擋不住顯然還是擋不住所以是不是有比較好的當然就是說你的報告裡頭你也講到了這個是其實是一個多元面向的一個問題你必須要就是跨部會的來解決那當然少子化的一個衝擊我覺得整個因應的方式我們要想得更廣 |
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所以我在這裡就是部長那個指委你請回我就針對的教育的問題跟次長來做一個探討少子化的衝擊這個其實我想從這個教育的一個面向來跟次長做一個探討就是113年學年度就是即將停招的國小他有18所那這個是教育史上最多的分布在七個縣市其中以台南、南投、屏東 |
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澎湖是重災區,臺南更是重中之重,臺南有即將停辦四個國小的分校,其中這四所分校有兩所分校,其實就在本席的選區裡頭。在這裡要請教次長,就是說 |
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現在台南市政府教育局他已經去尋求跨校的一個合作所謂跨校的合作當然次長你非常的清楚就是主辦的學校跟就是跨校的一個學校這個已經實施了四年了可是還是不可逆你看還是關掉了這麼多的一個分校 |
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那事實上就是說有什麼樣的一個互補的一個資源互補的一個資源可以去因應少子化的一個資源有限帶來的一個挑戰讓我們學生可以獲得更好的一個品質在少子化的一個衝擊裡頭我在特別的跟次長做一個探討你看在第8條裡頭他說學校應該是在每年的4月15號一估學生的學年度然後 |
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辦理下列的一個招生那我現在就是合併學校的就是臺南市教育局他就說30人以下的那個學校他就是必須要跨校了那我們看到了就是這些併校或是會校教育部是不是可以提供你們有什麼相對的因應的措施 |
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我想我們因為高中以下大概包括國中小這些他如果要停辦他會有一個規定有一個準則去年大概有修了那這個地方應該也都是經過專案的評估有一些公聽會然後教審會這個程序他才會去合併或者是停辦 |
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主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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如果是真的廢校他還是會有一些學生我們會提供學生交通或住宿的相關的一些市長我想就是說我們快速因為時間有限不管是就近入學還是區域入學還是自由入學 |
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其實本席在這裡就是說要特別提出來就是一個實驗學校你把它整合起來就是一個實驗的學校不然我們實在不敢想像就是說所以委員講得很好實驗教育這部分我們其實會考就是說它廢校之後它其實可以再 |
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讓一些有民間那個想要辦實驗教育他可以來附辦那是不是應該更大區域的一個更大規模的一個實驗學校的一個那個區域當然他就沒有學區的限制啦對實驗教育對沒問題有關你如果需要這個資料我們其實最近也在討論啦好市長是不是把這些計畫提供給本席好謝謝你的關心謝謝賴會委員市長請回座下一位質詢請羅美玲委員 |
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謝謝主席,有請勞發署黃麗玉副署長 |
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委員好副署長好副署長為了這個充裕國內的人力缺口我國做出了很多推出了很多這個留才攬才的政策那當然其中包含了延展僑外生留台工作那現行僑外生留台工作可以經過三個管道一個就是一般申請一般工作的許可那再來還有僑外生評點制跟這個 |
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中介技術人力申請留才工作。」那像這三個管道其實它都有門檻有條件甚至有工作類別的這個限定喔那可是我們為了要擴大留才所以呢這些門檻條件其實我們有看到都是逐步在鬆綁當中那甚至呢我們勞動部呢要推出這個喬外森的個人工作許可那這個部分是很多喬外森所關心的大家都問說什麼時候我們準備來推出呢請問他的期程 |
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是謝謝委員的關心那有關喬惠生的部分基本上我們也是逐次一直在鬆綁包括今年我們也把他這個 |
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人數的上限也刪除了就是希望透過這個相關的機制可以讓僑外生盡量留台那至於個人式工作許可呢是我們一個比較長的目標那我們最近呢正在研擬草案我們希望在今年的年底能夠提出這個僑外生個人式工作許可的修法年底的時候可以推出來是不是 |
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要預計要修正這個就業服務法 會在裡面 年底準備要來修這個就業服務法那再來還有一點我剛有提到就是說我們前面所提到的現有的這個三個管道其實他是有條件有門檻有工作類別的這個限定那我想請問一下 |
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喬外申要申請個人工作許可,他有什麼需要什麼樣的一個資格、什麼樣的條件嗎?我們有設什麼樣的門檻嗎?好,大家都在問說到底我們這個個人工作許可的內容是什麼?跟委員報告,基本上個人是工作許可從他的本行,他當時候的意旨就是說他是不需要有一定雇主的 |
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也就是說他是一個開放式的一個工作許可他不限業別也不限業別是他是open的那所以所有的僑外生都可以申請個人工作許可的意思嗎是他只要是在臺畢業就 |
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就業然後畢業所以副署長您的意思就是說我們前面所提到的一般工作許可評點至中階技術人力的這些這些申請的這些這些管道其實會退場的意思嗎?之後大家都可以用個人工作許可 |
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這對僑外生的部分?報告委員基本上我們是多元管道留才所以我們的措施會盡量的大概是多元並行那個人式工作許可主要是否應屆畢業的否應屆畢業的所以是應屆畢業的才能夠申請個人工作許可這部分可以講得比較清楚一點嗎?報告委員因為我們有一些草案需要跟相關的機關團體還要再進一步的溝通 |
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所以目前我們對於這些是不是還要進一步設限或者是有這樣的條件可能我們還需要再有一些討論那如果我們有進一步的規劃是不是容許我們再到委員辦公室跟您說明 |
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年底準備要來修舊福法可是還有很多細節還需要討論所以還不知道所以這就是喬外申的疑問因為到目前為止當然非常的開心說我們行政單位準備也來推出這個個人工作許可可是又覺得說怎麼好像還沒有很清楚的說明因為大家都在期待嘛 |
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所以現在已經留在臺灣工作的這些橋外生已經有工作了其實已經不適用的意識所以只有針對這個應屆的畢業生才適用這目前看到的是這一點反正它就是一個沒有門檻沒有工作類別我們就可以讓他們投入所有的工作職場的意思就是這樣子 |
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委員因為這個基本上還是涉及到這個工作所以我想我們還是會找可能會邀國發會還有相關的部會進一步的針對細節的部分做一些討論我們的目的其實都是為了留下來那我是想說如果有比較清楚的內容跟方向的話我希望老發署可以到本席辦公室來做一個說明OK好以上謝謝謝謝委員非常謝謝羅美玲委員來副市長請回座下一位質詢請陳培宇委員 |
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好謝謝主席有請國發會主委還有勞動部國發會有主委勞動部來處長勞動部來副組長陳偉華 |
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好,諸位好。我要想快速看一下你們的報告裡面,其實你們提到關於AI產業化、產業AI化,其實各個部會該負責的業務我們在業務報告裡面有看見,但是我們覺得比較擔心的是看見勞動部的部分報告比較少,到底從勞工這一端 |
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勞動部有沒有積極地開始跟很多勞工溝通相關團體溝通他們的工作或是他們目前產業狀態他們是必須要積極導入AI或者是勞工的工作可能被勞工取代於是需要政府部門在增能、執訓方面的協助我們看到相關業務的分工目前是這樣 |
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那我猜想國發會跟勞動部應該已經有開始積極討論但是我時間有限可不可以快速請主委或者是勞動部這邊回應一下目前我們對於勞工這邊相關的協助或者是到底哪些產業需要導入AI而且是什麼樣程度的AI導入我們目前在相關業務報告裡面其實沒有看到太仔細的內容是謝謝委員的關心我想很簡要的說明 |
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基本上本部配合AI行動計畫2.0還有產業發展所需要的AI技能事實上我們在1、1、2年已經投入大概3億3千多萬辦理了AI大數據的人才養成、深度學習等相關課程來到了380班訓練1萬1千多人、就業率也高達8成那在今年9月我們又持續投入了大概3億多 |
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也開辦了380班訓練1萬多人那這個AI人才訓練的班別包括青年職業訓練、職業者﹗聽起來你們是有一些進度的人我打斷但是你們在開這些課程的同時是不是也有積極的收集相關勞工的訊息跟回饋他們有沒有有沒有真的在這些課程當中被增能或者是回到產業現場因為AI的變化真的太快了從之前跟主委請教 |
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從AI到現在其實不過半年整個產業的進展非常的快那我這邊想要建議勞動部跟國發會這邊是不是應該更加積極以勞動部的角色增進相關勞工的知能也好或者是當這些AI的技術導入產業它對相關產業的衝擊我認為國發會應該更有角色去協助勞動部看見這個面向的困境還有做出相對的因應是這邊可不可以請主委回應一下 |
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好的,這個部分我們會跟相關部會來討論一下,看怎麼樣讓勞工可以盡早地適應到未來的變化,也具備這樣的應用AI的技能。好,這邊我們希望兩個月內給我們辦公室相關報告可以嗎? |
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可以啊好謝謝主委那另外一個其實我之前已經來跟主委請教過就是關於地方創新的事情之前跟主委討論是相關的法規範其實對於很多新創的產業有非常大的困境喔最近這個黑白大廚很好我就不再多說可是這裡面導入了韓國在地的飲食精彩的飲食文化這件事情其實已經是全球的趨勢我要告訴主委其實我們台灣的料理或是台灣 |
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相關的創新能力絕對不輸這個但是他們到底遇到什麼問題我之前跟您請教過在5月30我說他們被同業檢舉啊、被開法會相關的法規範其實都不適合讓他們回到地方有非常非常多的困境其實但是因為地方創生計畫是來自國發會所以國發會從我們5月30質詢到現在到底相關法規範在各個部會之間的討論平台目前的困境是什麼 |
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例如說我們知道月桃在衛福部今年五月營用可是還是有些問題可是老葉呢到目前還不得使用我當然知道衛福部為了照顧國人的食安當然要嚴謹地把關可是例如說我要講艾草目前是應適量使用根莖尚不得使用芝子花這可以做出婚貴我不知道主委你知不知道芝子花是這樣來的還有呢相關之前因為這個蝸牛小米粽的問題可能也讓大家擔心但它可能不是因為食安的問題 |
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我想要問的是台灣的很多米其林餐廳甚至也有在用這些食材所以不管是地方創生也好或者是所謂高級的米其林餐飲其實他們都會遇到類似的問題但是國發會這邊的角色主委你要不要說一下我想 |
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我們這邊針對上一次您的質詢的像月頭等等是有我們有做過的法規的調適但是您現在提的可能範圍更大就是我們應該是更全面的看這件事情那我想我會來自己來協調部會我們來看一下是不是可以全面性的來協助我們的地方青年在他的創新上面可以有比較大的空間 |
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太好了我非常開心聽到主委您說您會主動召開相關的會議由您來主持我相信您的這個承諾一定會讓更多地方創生的夥伴知道自己可以回到自己的原始的家鄉或部落繼續做這樣的事情好那也謝謝主委我們辦公室會再積極跟國防會討論好的好謝謝謝謝主席謝謝陳培委員謝謝主委請回座下一位質詢請蔡育委員 |
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謝謝主席那我們是不是請國發會請國會留主委主委這個國發會說2030年有48萬的勞動力缺口那這個缺口在2023年在在2028年要補足 |
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這一個勞動力缺口就是35萬那目前還有20萬的差額啊所以這20萬的差額你們是說要怎麼怎麼去補回來 |
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二十萬差額裡面有八萬是屬於勞動力那有十二萬是屬於技術能力那我們會這個分工下來就是希望把這個十二萬的這個這個白領的這個技術人才我們把它會以這個為來講吸引人才跟留住我們的僑外生兩個方向來做 |
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那喬外森我們現在一年可以新進的已經到了2萬那過去是48.1%會留下來那我們明年請了教育部幫忙會在每個學校設立一個就業輔導員我們希望能夠有到八成到九成的人留下來這樣的話呢 |
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再加上我們國外攬才加上我們最近會修法我們下禮拜會公開預覽然後放寬外籍人士進來那這些多元管道我們認為應該是沒有問題可以達到我們要的目標。」主委你認為現在橋外生的優勢是怎樣? |
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主要的問題在於是我們沒有足夠的人以2028年35萬來看我們的畢業生只有15萬就怎麼樣就沒有了當然啊所以喬外森的最大優勢是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
13460.88 |
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13482.159 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
有些僑生他本身就會中文能力就很不錯那至少這些人在台灣都讀過書了解台灣的文化了解台灣的社會秩序那我們協助他們留下來的話可以幫助我們可以做得更好會比那些沒待過台灣的更容易被留下來那目前來說這些僑外生他們留下來的意願呢? |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
13483.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
13501.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
目前的意願是很高的那我們現在怎麼去有更多的法令讓他們可以更容易找到工作所以我們現在也放寬到他畢業以後他有兩年找工作的期間就不會那麼快要逼回去那另外我們還做了一件事情就是全球現在有3500萬的數位牧民就是他用 |
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數位技能在家工作的那我們希望把他吸引進來然後也留下至少我們希望在2018年之前有10萬人進來留下一萬人對所以政策上就是說跟兩個縣市談好了要做實驗橋外生要他們是需要工作嘛沒有工作是沒辦法留下來啊對對對那所以事實上他們如果在大學就在念書的時候可以打工每個禮拜是20個小時 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
13532.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
13549.037 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
現在是就我了解是就剛才可以打工的對是可以求外生可以打工對但是你說你放寬兩年讓他這兩年可以去找工作那找工作的期間的收入呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
13550.772 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
13551.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
這段時間可以繼續打工嗎?」 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
13575.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
13577.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
13595.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
13615.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
呃要嫁接齁這個僱主齁跟僑外生齁他們的呃這個平台對不對對你們的平台是要怎麼樣就是說好我今天我我是產業那我有勞動力的需求那我要怎麼去找到這些僑外生還是要等著僑外生來找我 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
13616.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
13643.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
我們現在是第一個我們這個是由教育部會協助在這些學校設就業輔導專員我們希望從學校是最快因為他還沒離開那透過學校的就業輔導單位然後有專員來協助這些橋外生那原來這種事不是每個學校都有有這樣的人力那所以現在會有那第二個部分是我們開始透過經濟部去接洽企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
13645.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
13662.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
像很多的企業就開始預先去找這些橋外生包括前一陣子經濟部也媒介了這個台電要修這個電網的這些廠商去找橋外生然後開始進行訓練所以我們是從學校的角度跟企業的角度我們雙軌並行 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
13664.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
13673.617 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
但是現在還是有一個問題就是說我們現在要求的僱主他有一個門檻的要求就是他的資本額要大500萬或是營業額是1000萬以上那 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
13678.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
13702.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
這兩個是貨所以兩個中有達到一個但是我要強調的是說你定資本額500萬以上的企業事實上在我們全國的稅籍登記的資料它只有占18%所以相對的就是還有另外82%的它是不在500萬以上當然這部分它可能就要需要用營業額1000萬去做它第二個要件 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
13702.719 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
13714.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
那你們這樣看起來在這兩個要件之下大概國內有多少比例的企業可以符合可以符合他可以聘請僑外生各位委員報告這部分有一些鬆綁我們請勞動部做說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
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13727.275 |
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委員是跟您報告一下基本上為了要配合國發會的攬才政策所以我們在111跟112已經陸續放寬了包括新創事業5加2產業還有六大核心戰略產業這些產業的這個500萬跟1000萬的限制我們都已經鬆綁了 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
13735.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
13758.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
那這些產業呢大概已經站到這個專業及技術人才裡面所以說未來五百萬跟這個一千萬都都沒有限制了對都打開等於是所有的企業都可以重點產業那如果說還有在這個業別以外的那目的事業主管機關認為有需要我們有一個會商機制經會商之後一樣可以打開 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
13787.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
所以目前這個部分應該是已經解決了大部分喬艾森所造成的一些就業上的困擾好那我再就教主委一個問題啦是關於移工嘛就是不是喬艾森是單純的移工事實上很多移工朋友事實上跟我反映你包括日本跟韓國他們現在都已經開放說你到比方說到日本去移工他是可以帶他的家屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
13789.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
13807.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
直接都可以到日本去帶家屬去而且家屬過去也可以工作那如果這一個家屬的工作有發生問題的時候當然就會有一點連坐法連著移工也一併要被遣送回去那個是罰則的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
13807.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
13830.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
但是我們講他開的這個門就是說移工他可以帶著他的家屬一方面讓移工他們不用跟他的家人隔著非常遠的距離會有思鄉之苦第二個因為移工他的家人也過來他會希望在台灣有更安定的生活他也尋求更安定的工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
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13850.196 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
所以他的工作態度或者是他們會盡量去避免違法避免犯規因為連坐的一個結果會變成他整個他的比如比方說他的爸爸媽媽兄弟姊妹來都要相對的要被送回去那我們台灣有可能走到這一步嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
13851.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
13864.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
我們跟委員報告我們現在我們這次的修法裡面會把中階技術人才納進來就是中階技術的移工包括具備一定技術能力的焊接、模具這些我們都會納進來他就會適用這條 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
13866.661 |
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13893.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
所以他未來就是可以引他的家屬進來他的家屬來後就在台灣一樣是定居然後一樣可以找工作對他會適用到我們的攬才專法裡面好那我蠻期待的我希望這個文字如果形成文字後可以給我們辦公室是的我們預計我們下禮拜會公開預覽那我們也送一份到您辦公室好謝謝主委好謝謝來謝謝參議委員主委先回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
13899.603 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
13901.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
現在休息,我們下午兩點繼續開會。」 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
18309.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
18310.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
與亞鄰國家之留才攬才政策競爭力比較． |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
19724.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
19729.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
好我們現在繼續開會下一位質詢請林月琦委員質詢有請我們的國家發展委員會主委請郭外劉主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
19753.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
19754.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
主任委員會主任委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
19767.964 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
19795.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
改變我們少子化的課題這幾天我想國家發展委員會的人口推估的報告已經出來了大家都很熱烈討論從2020年事實上我們已經走到生不如死40多年後人口老化甚至會超過日本2070年我們可能會全台不到1500萬的人扶養比可能到1比1左右所以想問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
19797.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
19819.056 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
你的看法,你同意這樣的說法嗎?過去幾年的少子化對策是不是失敗的?這個很難界定,但是我舉個例子,去年我們有一萬多個小孩子是因為我們對於這個不孕症的補助而生出來的小孩有一萬多位 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
19819.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
19820.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
主任委員會主任委員會主任委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
19844.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
19870.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
更低於去年所以就想來跟你討論一下一些問題我覺得失敗的原因在哪邊呢問題一呢臺灣一直事實上是缺乏專責機構事實上我們有成立少子化辦公室僅開過一次會那就是2017年那就停擺了可是相較於日本的話所以我覺得行政院人事行政總處做的報告還比你們還 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
19871.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
19890.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
比較精準掌握現在日本的狀況你們都還停留在2007年日本的狀態去年他們成立了兒童家庭廳反而我們事實上沒有去思考到這個問題我們看瑞典的經驗怎麼去讓少子化可以減緩呢若實兒權公約然後呢性平然後第三個事實上支持父母成為父母 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
19891.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
19919.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
和我們現在連專責機構都沒有,因為要去統整統合。第二個是加碼的補助,不變的負擔,固定的學費,高額的雜費。對,現在政府事實上是給育兒津貼也加碼了,有準工,學費非常的低。不過也可以看這錢到底到誰的手上?大概都到業者的手上去。補多少,漲多少,甚至政府如果要漲的話,業者先知道的話,搞不好他漲的比你還高。 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
19919.491 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
19933.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
所以政府的錢大概到口袋裡邊去那基本上當不上價嗎還有很重要的就是房價因為趕不上我們進度的居住正義這也是家長如果沒有辦法安居那就沒有辦法熱業所以這也是一個問題第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
19937.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
19964.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
我們對於兒童身心健全成長缺乏支持現在行人地域我們交通死傷在兒少也是最高的那如果事故傷害居高不下是兒少1到14歲死傷最高其中交通最高的話那我們大概即便生下來還是面對到死亡那還有我們的身心健康這狀況每況愈下而且自殺已經是到第二名那這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
19967.945 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
19983.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
狀態裡邊又再加上我們的網路安全這是一個很大問題有網路工程甚至網路安全的這個課題又跟自殺有相近的關係來下一頁那隔離近的日本也是跟我們遇到同樣的社會問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
19984.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
20005.583 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
少子女化嚴重、貧窮、虐待、幸福感低弱,可是他已經改方向了,往下,因為他們去年事實上人口是有成長的,他們有專責單位,所以我不知道人事總處這邊副處長也在,不知道支不支持,就是我們有一個專責的單位,是不是可以去做努力了,那再下一頁,那 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
20006.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
20028.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
希望能夠催生到營造兒童的友善社會能夠落實是不是比照日本有一個兒童基本法精神所以我覺得這是不是可以再去研究一個是成立專責單位一個是落實兒童基本法謝謝謝謝林月琴委員的質詢謝謝委員主委先回座下一位李坤臣李坤臣李坤臣不在下一位質詢請王小林委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
20038.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
20048.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
主席好,接下來想有請教育部次長教育部張廖次長是 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
20051.107 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
20066.903 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
市長最近國發會所公布的那個報告其實確實帶給國人一個警訊讓我們了解到了2070年我們台灣的人口只剩下1500萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
20068.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
20092.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
比現在大概要少了800多萬人之多那當然現在這個少子化的問題它確實已經影響到衝擊到了我們的教育系統那今天本席在另外未還委員會那邊這個正好是吳春成委員他推動的壯世代政策法案那麼裡面呢本席有特別有提到就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
20093.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
20113.203 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
在壯世代如何可以帶給教育系統另外一個契機?」那麼這個議題少子化跟壯世代議題我認為是相輔相成的那麼尤其是我們可以看到就是在這個人口年齡結構當中未來幼年跟青壯人口是持續下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
20114.944 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
20133.412 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
65歲以上的銀髮族人口是往上提升。」那麼所以這邊會讓我們去思考那面對現在少子化的問題我們教育系統是如何因應那麼我知道其實這個少子化問題其實早就在國高中小學已經發生了所以之前有很多流浪 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
20134.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
20161.842 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
是教師,那現在呢這個流浪教師的影響已經升級到大學所以我們這些年來大概也出現了流浪教授那麼高學歷的人才是找不到工作那麼在這邊的話本席想請教教育部看到我們現在的大學學生的招生缺額的情況越來越嚴重可是呢我本席感到很有趣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
20162.903 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
20167.938 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
我也看到一個現象就是教育部也同意一些學校不斷的外加名額 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
20170.001 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
20193.414 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
尤其是在大學部跟研究所的部分都有外加名額他其實他一定會影響到就是整個的這個學生聲援的分配的問題還有私立大學的學生現在已經招不到這也是個事關於這部分我跟委員做一個報告分兩部分一部分就是說少子化的衝擊是難免就是說整個看起來那個私立學校的退場已經成為一個無法避免的結構 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
20196.736 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
20225.329 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
但是呢對委員關心這個非常好就是說其實在我們現在外加名的部分其實本來是針對一些比較國家重點產業他需要的一些人才所以在碩博士裡面在學士班都有開那過去確實因為當時是因為配合國家政策所以就找國立大學來協助但是也有考慮到委員所關心的這個現象所以在113年度就今年度8月開始其實已經有做一些調整我來 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
20226.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
20247.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
講一下就是說就是113學年度起公立大學以培育高階碩博士為主那學士班是以體質良好且這個教學品質比較佳的私立大學為主要來培育這個比例就有差113年在碩博士方面公立學校大概是佔了大概15%15%那那個好 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
20251.122 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
20260.53 |
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那個學士大概5%那明年度114年度學士的部分私立占更多那就是公立現在3%而已是,現在是這樣子的就是因為我們知道如果說公立大學的招生員額還是維持現在的規模 |
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他勢必也會影響到之後私立大學的招生的這個情況以現在來講15萬人到了2070了這到了接下來的5年之後我們還有這麼多的學生嗎 |
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那麼本席是建議就是教育部要去研擬一個方案就是我們的公立大學是不是也要開始逐漸的要去縮減整個的這個學生的名額還有分配那這樣的話為後面的這個應該是說私立大學他的招生元額才不會缺 |
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否則的話,如果說我們公立大學的學生的結構不改變的話,那一定未來會有更多的私立大學沒有辦法繼續升職。這個我們會做通盤檢討,那如果有詳細的結果會跟我們報告。那我也希望教育部這裡,是不是可以兩個禮拜給我一個,或是一個月給我一份你們的對於 |
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公立大學跟私立大學的學生生源結構研析報告,如何我們來調整這樣的一個環境。」好,我們一個月內,我們來跟委員做報告。好,那麻煩一個月後,一個月之內給我一份報告。好,謝謝。好,謝謝,謝謝市長。好,謝謝,謝謝。好,請回座。何金淳,何金淳,何金淳不在。賴思寶,賴思寶,賴思寶不在。林俊憲,林俊憲,林俊憲不在。下一位請張雅琳委員。 |
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謝謝主席,我們有請主委。 |
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謝謝主委我想請教有關於少子化的政策我看了一下我們其實今天我們主計總處其實從107年到現在推出少子女化的對策計畫從193.72億提高到現在112年度已經是1088.27億而今年也持續的去超過了1201億 |
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但是我們的小孩並沒有多生一點 |
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那講這個問題呢其實我並沒有要指責國發會的意思因為其實我今年看的這個經濟學人他今年其實就在講全世界的生育率持續的下降但是其實大家都持續的不停的撒錢所以他的標題就是說撒錢換小孩但其實他裡面有一個他裡面就有舉了一個例子就是說從韓國2006年到現在他每一年花2700億美元 |
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主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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這個只要女性不想生育了就很難起死回生因為觀念的轉變讓年輕女性不想再拼命生小孩現今的補貼對於中低收入的家庭有短暫的吸引力第三個就是中等階級的家庭比起育兒更在乎自己的家庭生活但他其中也有提到一個解放就是說 |
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在北歐,以北歐的例子來說,我們如果可以提供一個更友善的措施,例如產假或優渥的兒童托育政策,就可能會有一個小幅度的提升。」 |
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就是小幅度喔,非常小幅度那這個研究其實我也發現中研院鄭彥新研究員也有相關的研究在講為何孩子越生越少他談少子化的困境那他其實也有去講到就是說這個結論是跟經濟學院一樣的不過我想要先講一件事情喔他剛講就是支持友善的環境那我不曉得主委有沒有在網路上面看過各式各樣的厭害言論 |
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我有這個習慣在網路上收集這些訊息我們也從網路上看到的確目前來講心態上的不爭比什麼都多我們也可以感受到其實我們有找文化部討論因為很多是文化層次 |
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我想你可以看到美國人都願意多生小孩因為他們的溫情在不論在電視節目或是在家庭生活對我想文化是一個部分我們反而變少了文化的部分是一個但是我可以我舉一個例子就是說你可以看到上面講的當一個家長他們其實在上面討論就是說我帶小孩搭飛機我要準備什麼東西我是不是要讓他吃個鼻塞藥讓他在上面好睡覺我就不會吵到別人我今天大家去餐廳吃飯我要整理得多乾淨我才不會被 |
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餐廳的老闆媽才會被別人偷拍照。」但其實整個社會是一個非常厭害的環境其實這增加了女性尤其是特別是女性在育兒的時候她的這個擔憂跟困境所以我會覺得說我們今天在做少子化的時候我們除了現金補貼之外 |
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還有我們現在做的這些政策之外我們是不是可以有更開闊的一些思考來去思考如何從不管從文化的角度也好從整個家長的教育也好來去支持讓我們的所有的小孩都可以被城市裡的大人們可以看見所以第一個建議我想問我們是不是可以讓各個部會來舉辦這個所謂的家庭日 |
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這個我因為整個主政還是陳時中政委我會把這個想法去跟他說一個說明我希望就是說因為大家還是希望因為大家可能不生小孩其實不太能夠理解生有個小孩子在這個城市裡他會遇到什麼樣子的問題如果我可以把小孩帶來職場的話大家都可以有一些感受我覺得這是第一個步 |
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主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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我們有召集大家來可是只有21家企業有員工來申請但其實這個比例是非常低那我們是不是可以來做一個檢討瞭解一下怎麼樣可以鼓勵我們更多的企業來投入申請這個企業的彈性育嬰假因為有非常多的家長還是有告訴我們說其實他就算想要去請的時候老公他老闆可能會告訴他他人資可能會告訴他你要考慮一下你老闆的想法你要考慮一下你未來的生前在某種程度還是暗示了他不能去申請 |
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所以我們是不是可以來做一個檢討針對這個面向?這個我請陳政委找勞動部來討論這件事情來檢討一下這件事謝謝張雅玲委員有1分20秒了主委請回座下位諮詢請吳淳澄委員 |
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邀請國家發展委員會主任委員。」主委好最近經常看到你憂心忡忡覺得很心疼因為但是我必須要肯定你很誠實的勇敢的公布了我們的人口退估數字所以呢整個的 |
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我們不敢面對的事情就是臺灣的人口惡化 |
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這一個人口的這個資料所以這個本週立法院都就是人口週現在這個同時未完在談人口老化的問題那經濟在談少子化的問題顯然大家都是追隨你的腳步非常的關注那這是一個很重要精神但國發會是人口的專家是我們國家在這個引導整個人口政策 |
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所以也期待我們不要憂心勇敢地往前走發揮你世代夫的精神嚴所當言為所當委 |
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那當然這個就知道今天在談少子化那這個可能前面有人提過了就是我們其實每年都花了上千億但是我們的少子化幾乎是每兩年就要減少減少一萬這個的人口推估你看這幾年來從1.78逐年一直下降 |
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下降到你現在推估的最新2025年0.87但是呢這個後面這個反而又上揚這個是依據有什麼理由台灣未來的這個生育率會上升這個主委請教你 |
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我們現在我們原來的計畫是希望透過2024年、2025年我們現在整個目標就是要努力守住現在的出生率先不讓它往下降然後之後我們才會來談怎麼樣的往上升所以我們總是要表示一下我們願意朝這個方向的決心當然你一定要樂觀我們當然也是期待這樣子 |
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只是應該按照現在的一個下降的速度應該也不用等到大家都說提早的15年事實上不只提早15年今年是2024年可能看起來是2026年、2027年就會破10萬了按照現在的速度還不用等到2040年所以這個問題是非常嚴重 |
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就剛應該就國發會要告訴我們的政府少子化、高齡化已經定型了你也提出了不可逆轉所以我們要面對這樣的一個事實我們過去都把它當作邊陲問題 |
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頭痛一頭腳痛一頭反正遇到問題就用短期政策應付一下短期政策應付一下但是請國發會告訴我們的政府不可逆轉已經定型了所以我們要為未來少子化高齡化的社會好好的來做設計不然這個台灣真的是一個非常大的危機未來30年最重要的事情就是國發會的事情人口的事接下來我們少子化高齡化跟少子化一體之兩面 |
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為什麼會少子化?現在用這種補貼的政策能夠解決嗎?最重要的他們是沒有未來那沒有未來兩個,一個高齡化會壓垮現在扶養比3.6比1接下來2014年會2比1接下來高齡化這個問題不解決的話年輕人沒有未來了啦,我們要告訴年輕人所以要解決 |
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同時呢我在談的壯世代就是把分子被撫養的分子拉下來當分模讓台灣的基本盤每一個人都成為生產者消費者壯捷你認不認同?這個我們已經在進行了所以勞動部也有中高齡就業法也有做家人服務所以這些已經在進行了 |
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我知道都在進行今天談的就是說我們行政院都在進行的而且我們現在也放寬了退休的規範也推出了很多但是我想這個主委是專家用24G的腦袋無法解決21G的問題現在推出來的就是雖然有很多部會在做但是其實沒有人沒有預算沒有法制沒有什麼所有的用現狀的問題用 |
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解決過去的那種老舊的問題來解決未來問題。」 |
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謝惠、羅明財、羅明財、羅明財不在、陳冠廷、陳冠廷、陳冠廷不在、林淑儀、林淑儀、林淑儀不在、蘇清泉、蘇英元、蘇英元不在、洪孟凱、洪孟凱、洪孟凱不在、林倩琦、林倩琦、林倩琦不在、鍾嘉斌、鍾嘉斌、鍾嘉斌不在、葉元芝、葉元芝、葉元芝不在。登記發言委員除不在場者外,區區發言完畢。訊號結束。順便諮詢以及未及答問部分,請相關單位一周內已順便答問並複製本會。本 |
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二、邀請國家發展委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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與亞鄰國家之留才政策競爭力比較：暨我國與亞鄰國家之留才政策競爭力比較：暨我國與亞鄰國家之留才政策競爭力比較：暨我國與亞鄰國家之留才政策競爭力比較：暨 |
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我國少子女化現況及對策計畫成效：一、邀請國家發展委員會主任委員會首長、教育部首長、 |
| IVOD_ID |
16205 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16205 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-8 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-24T08:31:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-24T14:24:00+08:00 |
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